WEBVTT - The Perfect Husband | Jenifer's Story

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<v Speaker 1>This podcast discusses sexual assault. Please take care while listening.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to share a story of a real life

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<v Speaker 1>fairy tale gone horribly wrong, A cautionary tale about a

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<v Speaker 1>marriage so filled with betrayal and deceit that it set

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<v Speaker 1>off a path of destruction that people are still recovering from.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Andrea Gunning and I'm a podcast producer

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<v Speaker 1>in Philadelphia. In the summer of twenty nineteen, I had

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<v Speaker 1>just wrapped up a project when I met a fellow producer,

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Fasin. She pitched a story she thought was compelling

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<v Speaker 1>enough to make something of, and it turns out it

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<v Speaker 1>was her own story.

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<v Speaker 2>Information this Morning about a cop County teacher in jail.

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<v Speaker 2>Spencer Haron was arrested Friday at his home in Ackworth.

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<v Speaker 2>Haaren is currently in the cop County jail on a

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five thousand dollars bond.

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<v Speaker 1>Spencer was Jennifer's husband of seven years. Twenty years after

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<v Speaker 1>dating in college, the stars seem to align and they

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<v Speaker 1>reconnected when they decided to get sirious. Jennifer moved from

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<v Speaker 1>la where she worked as a television producer, to Ackworth, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>where Spencer was a popular high school teacher. He was

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<v Speaker 1>also awarded Teacher of the Year twice.

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<v Speaker 2>We've learned his arrest stems from an alleged three year

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<v Speaker 2>sexual relationship with a sixteen year old female student, Investigators

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<v Speaker 2>saying The team says it started back in twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>when he allegedly groped her. It all happened on Kel

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<v Speaker 2>High School property. The school's website lists the forty eight

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<v Speaker 2>year old as the head of the career tech department

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<v Speaker 2>and a coach.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer was blindsided.

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<v Speaker 3>I came home on June first, twenty eighteen. Spence didn't

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<v Speaker 3>greet me. Instead, he was sitting on the couch shaking

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<v Speaker 3>his head. It's all over. It's all over. It's all over.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing could have been more shocking from this popular teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>respected coach, and loving husband. The arrest unlocked terrible secrets

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<v Speaker 1>about predatory behavior that went against the image Spencer Heron

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<v Speaker 1>fabricated for years, the cheerful neighbor, member of the Air

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<v Speaker 1>National Guard. The truth shook a community, devastated his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and sent Spencer Heron to prison. I'm Andrea Gunning and

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<v Speaker 1>this is betrayal Episode one. The perfect husband.

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<v Speaker 4>Spencer and I met at college.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to be in video production and he was

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<v Speaker 3>the station manager.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'll never forget our first meeting.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, excuse me, do you know what time? And

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<v Speaker 3>I said, oh, I don't wear a watch. She said, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>me either, and that was kind of like the Inn

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't know, it was just one of those things.

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<v Speaker 3>We just connected right away. He was a year older

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<v Speaker 3>than I was. In him being the station manager, he

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<v Speaker 3>seems so cool to me. I remember I tried out

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<v Speaker 3>for anchor that semester and he didn't choose me because

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<v Speaker 3>he was afraid that if he did, everybody would know

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<v Speaker 3>that he liked me. The word college sweethearts, that's what

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<v Speaker 3>we were. We had so much fun. He had always

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<v Speaker 3>try to do surprises for me or make a mixtape.

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<v Speaker 3>Every day when we would pass by each other in

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<v Speaker 3>the hallways, he would give me a note. He was

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<v Speaker 3>just very attentive and he was very caring.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Jeffrey Birch and this is Berg.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm her stepfather and I.

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<v Speaker 5>Am her mom. She and Spence stated in college, and

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<v Speaker 5>she was absolutely in love with him, and we loved

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<v Speaker 5>him too.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm Karen Bason and I'm John Fason. I'm Jenn's father

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm Jennifer's stepmother.

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<v Speaker 3>We thought a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 4>We thought it was a wonderful young man.

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<v Speaker 6>He had a great personality and you know, just a

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<v Speaker 6>real down thearth person, very personable and michable and a

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<v Speaker 6>talented fellow. I mean he was a musician, and I

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<v Speaker 6>mean he played trumpet very good, evidently.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer's sister Christy.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, when people are in love, they just are

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<v Speaker 7>beautiful because they're themselves and someone just totally accepts them

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<v Speaker 7>for who they are, and they just shine and they're beautiful.

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<v Speaker 7>Like I remember seeing my sister and she was wearing

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<v Speaker 7>a red winter coat. She just looked so beautiful, and

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<v Speaker 7>it was because she was just so in love. I

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<v Speaker 7>don't know when we started calling him Saint Spence, but

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<v Speaker 7>there were a few reasons why he was wonderful to

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<v Speaker 7>my sister. When he got up, he was like, does

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<v Speaker 7>anybody need anything, or he would go get coffee for

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<v Speaker 7>my sister. He was polite and engaged with my mom

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<v Speaker 7>and my grandparents. He was really curious about everyone, and

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<v Speaker 7>he just didn't do anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>It was my senior year in college and I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to go out and you know, enjoy my friends and

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<v Speaker 3>have fun. So we broke up, still kept in touch.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I can honestly say I broke his heart

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<v Speaker 3>and he was very sad and tried to get me back.

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<v Speaker 3>And it wasn't that there was any anything wrong. It

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<v Speaker 3>was just not the right time. So we remained friends,

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<v Speaker 3>but eventually went our separate ways. My grandmother was upset.

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<v Speaker 3>She couldn't believe it. She just thought Spence was perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>She thought we were going to get married after school.

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<v Speaker 3>My sister cried, She was like, how could you leave

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<v Speaker 3>this great, perfect guy. You know, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>can't understand, but at the time, that's just how I felt.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to explore. We dated for a year and

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<v Speaker 3>a half and it was one of those relationships where

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<v Speaker 3>you realized what a good one looks like.

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<v Speaker 5>She took her communication degree, She got into radio and

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<v Speaker 5>was on the air in Minneapolis. From there, she decided

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<v Speaker 5>that she wanted to see if she could get a

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<v Speaker 5>producing job in California. She just decided, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 5>la and I'm going to find my mark.

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<v Speaker 1>Spencer and Jennifer stayed in touch for a while. Like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of couples in college, they eventually lost touch

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<v Speaker 1>and started their own lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Jen was on a path, so we lost touch after

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<v Speaker 3>that for a long time. I think partly because he

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<v Speaker 3>was married and had kids, and I wanted to respect

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<v Speaker 3>that and those boundaries in that relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer was ambitious. She built an impressive resume and reputation

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<v Speaker 1>as a talented reality show producer and was even nominated

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<v Speaker 1>for three Emmy Awards.

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<v Speaker 3>You Are Afoot Too entered the court room of Judge

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<v Speaker 3>Judith Shindlight.

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<v Speaker 5>She also worked for Judge Judy. In fact, when was

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<v Speaker 5>nominated for a time Emmy, we got to go to

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<v Speaker 5>New York to walk the red carpet.

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<v Speaker 1>After a few years with Judy, Jennifer made her way

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<v Speaker 1>from daytime to Primetime Tonight Guys.

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<v Speaker 5>She ended up getting a job with Extreme Makeover Home

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<v Speaker 5>Edition with Ty Pennington, so she went all over the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Jen was making her mark in the industry. She could

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<v Speaker 1>go from Judge Judy to Homemakeovers to the Craziness at

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<v Speaker 1>the Beach.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the ones that I was shocked about was

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<v Speaker 5>she was doing Jersey Shore. That's what Jennifer excels at

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<v Speaker 5>is being able to get along with everybody. Keep peace,

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<v Speaker 5>amongst everybody, manage their different personalities and then produce a

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<v Speaker 5>great show. That's what she's good at.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Jennifer was building an impressive resume. Spencer had built

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<v Speaker 1>a different life back in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 3>Spence got married, had three great kids, and for many

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<v Speaker 3>years he was the stay at home parent who took

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<v Speaker 3>care of those kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin, Spence's best friend, described Spence as trustworthy and loyal.

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<v Speaker 8>It was funny, very charismatic if he came from a

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<v Speaker 8>big family, so you never had much like in terms

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<v Speaker 8>of physical possessions and stuff, so we always seemed like

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<v Speaker 8>a simple person. My name is Rod and I've known

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<v Speaker 8>Spencer since probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen eighty so eighty sixth grade. Rod and Spencer bonded

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<v Speaker 1>over shared interests. Our high school was pretty small.

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<v Speaker 8>There was probably one hundred and fifty people in the

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<v Speaker 8>graduating class something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we were both always pop students in top popularity.

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<v Speaker 1>I would think Spencer grew up in Avondale Estates, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes east of Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 9>It's kind of Cony Well.

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<v Speaker 6>Spence's real father, Spencer's real mother. They had this other

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<v Speaker 6>couple that was good friends, and both couples I guess

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<v Speaker 6>you could say he split up and married each other.

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<v Speaker 6>And so Spence has step brothers, real brothers and half brothers, and.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a bunch of It's a little confusing, but

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<v Speaker 1>Spence was part of a big blended family. There were

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<v Speaker 1>six boys altogether. Well, Jennifer was living her best life

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<v Speaker 1>in La Spence was living in Georgia as a well

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<v Speaker 1>regarded video production teacher. Julia Sultziak was one of Spencer's

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<v Speaker 1>students over a decade ago. She still has fond memories.

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<v Speaker 10>My name is Julia. I graduated from cal High School

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<v Speaker 10>in twenty ten. I'm going to refer to him as

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<v Speaker 10>coach Haaren, if that's okay. I've never actually called him

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<v Speaker 10>Spencer's so everyone called him co Charan because he was

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<v Speaker 10>the soccer coach.

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<v Speaker 5>He coached girls soccer.

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<v Speaker 10>Co Charan was my high school video productions teacher, my

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<v Speaker 10>junior and senior year high school. Everyone who had him

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<v Speaker 10>loved him. He was the fun class, the fun teacher,

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<v Speaker 10>the fund program. You got to be on the announcements,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, you got to work on these cool projects.

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<v Speaker 1>When Spencer was thirty seven, he joined the Air National

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<v Speaker 1>Guard and became part of the band he was the

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<v Speaker 1>oldest person in his boot camp class and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>played the role of dad there. And then, out of

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<v Speaker 1>the blue, twenty years later, Jen's first love reached out

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<v Speaker 1>to her on social media.

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<v Speaker 3>I get a message from him on Facebook. He was

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<v Speaker 3>planning his college reunion and saw me like a photo

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<v Speaker 3>or something, so he reached out to me, Hey, how

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<v Speaker 3>are you, how's it going? What are you doing? He

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<v Speaker 3>told me that he had kept up with my career

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<v Speaker 3>and knew I was in LA And honestly, the first

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<v Speaker 3>thing that I wrote to him back was are you

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<v Speaker 3>still married? Because I'm not going to get involved with

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<v Speaker 3>somebody that's married. That's just not me. He wrote me

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<v Speaker 3>back immediately said we split up four years ago. Great. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>then he says, so, I know you travel a lot

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<v Speaker 3>for work. Are you by any chance going to be

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<v Speaker 3>in New York City in December, which was a couple

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<v Speaker 3>months away. He said, I'm going to be there with

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<v Speaker 3>the Decca group from school. I said, no, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't usually work in New York. Then I go

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<v Speaker 3>to the movies with my sister two days later and

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<v Speaker 3>run into my old boss from Extreme Makeover Home Edition,

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<v Speaker 3>who says, what are you doing? Right now, and I

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<v Speaker 3>said nothing. I was in between jobs at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, okay, I need to fly you to New

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<v Speaker 3>York and you need to help me out with this show.

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<v Speaker 3>Said okay, great, I'll do it, hopped on a plane

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<v Speaker 3>and flew out there. So I emailed Spence and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>guess what, I'm here. I'm going to be here for

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<v Speaker 3>about a month, and he said, great, I would love

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<v Speaker 3>to see you when you're here, and maybe you could

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<v Speaker 3>even come and speak to the students. So I agreed

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<v Speaker 3>to do that. One afternoon, rushed home from work changed

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<v Speaker 3>tried to look as cute as possible. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>December now in New York and hard to get a

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<v Speaker 3>taxi at that time of night, so I was running late.

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<v Speaker 3>The taxi drops me off about two blocks from the

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<v Speaker 3>hotel because I just figured I can get there faster

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<v Speaker 3>if I walk. So I walk in there and he's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of leaning up against the wall, a kind of cool,

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<v Speaker 3>and he sees me, and I think both of our

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<v Speaker 3>faces just light up and gives me a big hug,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just I remember thinking, wow, he looks really good.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I got butterflies. I was excited to see

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<v Speaker 3>him again. And then he and I went and walked

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<v Speaker 3>around New York and talked and learned about each other again,

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<v Speaker 3>and we sat in this cute little speakeasy bar. I

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<v Speaker 3>noticed his sleeve kind of came up on his jacket,

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<v Speaker 3>and I saw he had tattoos. And now I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>a tattoo person, but for some reason, this was so

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<v Speaker 3>sexy to me. You know, now he was cool and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>I remembered, everything I remembered.

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<v Speaker 5>The two of them walked the city all night long,

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<v Speaker 5>just talking and talking and talking, and that's when they

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<v Speaker 5>said they just fell in love all over again.

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<v Speaker 3>I was on cloud nine. He walked me back to

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<v Speaker 3>my hotel room. Yes, he came inside. No, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>usually do that, but it was Spence, and I always

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<v Speaker 3>felt safe with Spence. I asked him if he could stay,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said, no, I have to go back because

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<v Speaker 3>he had to go back to his student's And the

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<v Speaker 3>next morning I woke up and I called my best

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<v Speaker 3>friend crying because I was so sad that I may

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<v Speaker 3>never see him again. I really thought that was it,

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<v Speaker 3>and something in me was really sad about that. But

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<v Speaker 3>that's not what happened. The whole New.

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<v Speaker 1>York trip was serendipitous. After twenty years apart, Jen and

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<v Speaker 1>Spencer were reconnected and this time Spencer was not going

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<v Speaker 1>to lose her.

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<v Speaker 3>He continued, you to pursue me and text me and

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<v Speaker 3>call me from Atlanta to LA. We would be up

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<v Speaker 3>all night on the phone.

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<v Speaker 5>So she went back to LA. He went back to

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<v Speaker 5>Atlanta area and they continue with their phone conversations. He

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<v Speaker 5>had called us and said that he wanted to marry Jennifer,

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<v Speaker 5>and he asked for permission. We said, We've always felt

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<v Speaker 5>like you're part of the family. You know, you don't

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<v Speaker 5>need to ask us, You just need to ask her.

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<v Speaker 5>I said, the only thing we ask of you is

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<v Speaker 5>that you go to LA and you visit Jennifer and

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<v Speaker 5>you see what kind of lifestyle that she was living,

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<v Speaker 5>because she was very, very successful in her career, very

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<v Speaker 5>successful financially. I'm very established. And so he said, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>he would do that because he was going to be

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<v Speaker 5>asking her to possibly move to this small little in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 5>pulling her away from LA. And that was a concern

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<v Speaker 5>that we had too, is would she be able to

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<v Speaker 5>adjuste that fair to her? Is that going to affect

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<v Speaker 5>her career?

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<v Speaker 3>So we re met in December twenty eleven. We made

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<v Speaker 3>the decision pretty quickly that I would move out there,

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<v Speaker 3>and I didn't mind doing that. I mean, it meant

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<v Speaker 3>giving up a lot. My career was doing great. I'd

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<v Speaker 3>really established myself, which in hindsight is a good thing

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<v Speaker 3>because I was able to move to Atlanta and keep working.

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<v Speaker 3>But his kids were there and that was important to him,

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<v Speaker 3>and being a stepchild myself, it was important to me

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<v Speaker 3>that he stay as close to the kids as he could.

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<v Speaker 3>So I decided I would move there. I packed up

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<v Speaker 3>my whole apartment and then he flew out and we

0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:04.639
<v Speaker 3>drove my car across the country. Our first stop was Vegas.

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<v Speaker 3>He gave me this booklet and in it were all

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<v Speaker 3>these photos of the two of us, some of them

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<v Speaker 3>from college and then some from New York and just

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when we had seen each other since. And

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<v Speaker 3>at the very end was a picture of my grandmother's

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<v Speaker 3>ring that he had gotten from my mom. He got

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<v Speaker 3>down on one knee and he asked me to marry him,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was so excited. I wanted to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to remember exactly what it felt like and what it

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<v Speaker 3>sounded like, so I said, can you ask me again,

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<v Speaker 3>and he just laughed and he asked me again, and

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<v Speaker 3>of course I said yes. It was everything that I

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<v Speaker 3>could have wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a movie, all of the thought and

0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:05.880
<v Speaker 1>effort Spencer put into their engagement. She waited so long

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<v Speaker 1>for love. They were so sweet together. Like he was

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<v Speaker 1>very demonstrative with his affection towards her.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he would say, look at jen Look how

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<v Speaker 3>cute she looks today.

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<v Speaker 11>He was always very.

0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Proud to talk about her and about her accomplishments and

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<v Speaker 1>things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>He would walk by her and just kiss.

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<v Speaker 4>Her on the top of the head, you know, just

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<v Speaker 4>was very sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>And their little love story was very sweet, and they

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<v Speaker 3>loved to tell it.

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<v Speaker 5>If she was traveling, you know, producing a show then

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<v Speaker 5>coming back, he would always walk in and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Huger and say, so glad you're home.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer's friend Danielle. I mean, he would just say, like, hey, wife,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and he was so proud of that.

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<v Speaker 3>He was such a doting husband. Every morning he would

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<v Speaker 3>leave me a note by the coffee pot. Every single

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<v Speaker 3>morning for six seven years, he would text me during

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<v Speaker 3>the day. I'd never worried about where he was or

0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:12.400
<v Speaker 3>what he was doing. I really really thought we were

0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:16.680
<v Speaker 3>living a fairy tale. Every time the clock would turn

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<v Speaker 3>on eleven eleven, I would make a wish, and ever

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<v Speaker 3>since Spence and I got back together in New York,

0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:29.680
<v Speaker 3>the wish was, I hope Spence and I have a beautiful,

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<v Speaker 3>long life together.

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<v Speaker 1>When the bottom drops out, you usually don't see it coming,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jennifer never did.

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<v Speaker 3>I came home on June first, twenty eighteen, and Spence

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<v Speaker 3>didn't greet me. Instead, he was sitting on the couch

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<v Speaker 3>in the living room just shaking his head. So I

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<v Speaker 3>was joking around with him because he didn't jump up

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<v Speaker 3>and say, wife, welcome back. And I walked over to

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<v Speaker 3>him and he just kept shaking his head. It's all over,

0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:14.200
<v Speaker 3>it's all over, it's all over. I kept expecting him

0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:18.040
<v Speaker 3>to say, oh, just kidding, because what could be that

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<v Speaker 3>wrong that he would be feeling this way. He slid

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<v Speaker 3>a piece of paper to me. I just kind of

0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:29.479
<v Speaker 3>glanced at it, trying to figure out what it was,

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<v Speaker 3>and it said searchworn on top. I saw the words

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<v Speaker 3>sexual assault and.

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<v Speaker 9>Studentlis arrested Kel High school teacher Spencer Herron on Friday

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<v Speaker 9>at his home in at Growth. Investigators say he faces

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<v Speaker 9>three counts of sexual assault.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine seeing that piece of paper, the search worn, and

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that everything in your life was a out to change.

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<v Speaker 1>He was charged with sexual assault with one of his

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<v Speaker 1>own students. It had started when she was a sophomore

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<v Speaker 1>in high school.

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<v Speaker 3>I got up and stood in front of him and said,

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<v Speaker 3>is this true?

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<v Speaker 4>He said yes, He said it happened three times.

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<v Speaker 3>This Spens is the last person that I would have

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<v Speaker 3>ever guessed would have taken advantage of a kid. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think anybody else that knew him would have said

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing. To find out that he cheated on me,

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<v Speaker 3>not with a woman, but with a sixteen year old girl,

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<v Speaker 3>It is so hard to understand that I just started

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<v Speaker 3>pacing back and forth him.

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<v Speaker 11>He ruined everything. He knew how much marriage meant to me,

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<v Speaker 11>He knew what it meant to me. I thought I.

0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:16.760
<v Speaker 3>Knew what it meant to him. I set across from

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<v Speaker 3>him at that point because I didn't want to be

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:23.920
<v Speaker 3>near him, just trying to make sense of what just happened.

0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:28.840
<v Speaker 3>In realizing that life as I knew it would never

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<v Speaker 3>be the same. The future that we planned was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>It couldn't be true. Not her husband the nicest, kindest

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<v Speaker 1>man in the world. A predator. Not possible, except it

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.680
<v Speaker 1>was possible. It happened.

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't take too long before I saw two Cobb

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<v Speaker 3>County police officers drive past our house. I knew they

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<v Speaker 3>were on their way back for Spence. They had already

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<v Speaker 3>been there once with the search warrant and busted down

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:13.320
<v Speaker 3>our front door. They took a bunch of his stuff,

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:18.879
<v Speaker 3>his computers, hard drives, and a pair of his underwear.

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:24.280
<v Speaker 3>All Spence could talk about was killing himself at that point.

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<v Speaker 3>So I sat down on the coffee table right in

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<v Speaker 3>front of him where he was sitting.

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<v Speaker 11>On the couch, and I just begged him not to

0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:35.119
<v Speaker 11>do anything stupid.

0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Her life was upended, Her husband was sitting across from

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:45.160
<v Speaker 1>her talking about suicide. It was all so scary and

0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 1>so much to digest. Jen felt conflicted by a feeling

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:53.080
<v Speaker 1>of obligation to Spence because of the vows they took.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer repeated after me, I Jennifer.

0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 3>I Jennifer the Spencer. Take the Spencer to be my

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:06.840
<v Speaker 3>wedded husband, To be my wedded husband. I wanted him

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.680
<v Speaker 3>to know that somebody would be there for him.

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 4>We were married, They're supposed to.

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<v Speaker 3>Stick by your spouse for better or worse, for better,

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:22.639
<v Speaker 3>for worse, till death do us part, till death do

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:27.000
<v Speaker 3>us part. The cops came.

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<v Speaker 4>I opened up the door and looked across to Spence

0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:35.359
<v Speaker 4>and was so relieved when I saw him walking into

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 4>the foyer, because if he had run, I don't know

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 4>what would have happened.

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 3>But he turned around.

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 4>He let them put the cuffs on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Even after seeing the words sexual assault and student on

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:58.160
<v Speaker 1>the search warrant, Jennifers still needed to hear the police

0:25:58.200 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 1>say it.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, what are you arresting him for? They looked

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 3>at him like, is it okay if we tell her?

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 3>And he yells out no, don't tell her anything, which

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:19.640
<v Speaker 3>is weird because he'd already admitted what he had done.

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 3>I guess he was still hoping to hide stuff. They

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.639
<v Speaker 3>walked him out of the house. I shut the door

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 3>and I couldn't watch them put him in the back

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 3>of the car. And the four year was the last

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 3>time I've seen him.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer was trying to process what had just happened. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>what she learned that day was only the tip of

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.400
<v Speaker 1>the iceberg.

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<v Speaker 7>I was on a walk one morning, and I just thought,

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<v Speaker 7>I need to call Jennifer. When I got home, I

0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 7>called her. She picked up the phone and she was

0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:02.679
<v Speaker 7>like in hysterics and I was like, what's wrong, and

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 7>she's like, they took Spencer away. She was in shock.

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 1>It was like.

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<v Speaker 7>Spence of all people, Spence, Saint Spence. Jennifer wasn't in

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 7>problem solving mode. I think because I was distant from it,

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 7>I could get into problem solving mode.

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:23.960
<v Speaker 10>My thought was.

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.119
<v Speaker 7>If it's a student, it's going to get around really fast.

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 7>Then my thought was, oh god, the kids, they worshiped

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 7>their father, and that was my thought. I was like,

0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 7>oh my god, do they know? How are they going

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:38.639
<v Speaker 7>to find out? Social media these days? He needs to

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 7>take down his social media like all of this stuff.

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 3>My sister called and said, people are making comments. You've

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 3>got to go in there and take down his account.

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 3>I had never been in his account before. I never

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 3>looked at his phone, his text, his computer, his Facebook nothing. Ever,

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 3>I trusted him with every piece of my being. Never ever,

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 3>ever would I have snooped. But I knew Christy was right.

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:17.680
<v Speaker 3>So somehow I got into his Facebook account, which got

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 3>me into his email.

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 1>To say what she learned next with shocking would be

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 1>an understatement. The student, well, she was one of dozens

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:31.120
<v Speaker 1>of affairs that Spencer had been carrying on for years,

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and he was soliciting photos from these women.

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 3>I only had to scroll down one row before the

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:42.720
<v Speaker 3>pictures of all these naked women were showing up on

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 3>his computer, woman after woman after woman. I literally didn't

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 3>know what was happening. Spence would never want women to

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 3>send him pictures like this. He wasn't like that.

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>He was not No one wants to think that the

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 1>person they love that they're married to has a secret life.

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Jen had to face the hard truth her husband had

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 1>betrayed her, not once, but every single day of their relationship.

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Through this podcast, Jen's about to go on a journey

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<v Speaker 1>of discovery she never could have imagined on this season

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<v Speaker 1>of Betrayal, Jen's going to talk to the sexual SA victim,

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 1>who is an adult now.

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<v Speaker 10>The first thing he said to me was, I've never

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 10>done this with a student. I've never felt this way

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 10>about anyone. That's because I love you that we're doing this.

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 1>There were dozens of affairs simultaneously, some women she knew personally,

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>like this one.

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 2>I put this because it's not very kind towards myself.

0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 7>I was being used, but I really thought that.

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 1>He and even Spencer himself.

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 3>This is a direct pay call from an inmate at

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<v Speaker 3>the Cherokee County Jail, Georgia.

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 1>The lies, affairs, shame, the broken marriage, and stolen innocence.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about it all on Betrayal. If

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like to reach out to the Betrayal team, email

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<v Speaker 1>us at Betrayal Pod at gmail dot com. That's Betrayal

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<v Speaker 1>Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group, in partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with iHeart Podcasts. The show was executive produced by Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>Glass and Jennifer Fason, hosted and produced by me Andrea Gunning,

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<v Speaker 1>written and produced by Kerry Hartman, also produced by Ben Fetterman.

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<v Speaker 1>Our iHeart team is Ali Perry and Jessica Crinchick. Special

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to voice actor Todd Gans. Sound editing and mixing

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<v Speaker 1>done by Matt Tavecchio. Betrayal's theme was composed by Oliver Bains.

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<v Speaker 1>Music library provided by my Music And For more podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>from iHeart, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever

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<v Speaker 1>you get your podcasts