WEBVTT - FTC vs. Amazon and Starfield Launches

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<v Speaker 1>From Mahard where Innovation, money and power collie in Silicon Valley, NBN.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Bloomberg Technology with Caroline Hyde and Ed lud Love.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Caroline Heider, Bloomberg's World headquarters in New York and

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<v Speaker 3>now Med Ludlow in San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 4>This is Bloomberg Technology.

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<v Speaker 5>Coming up the FTC.

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<v Speaker 3>It gears up to sue Amazon this month after a

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<v Speaker 3>four year antitrust investigation into the company.

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<v Speaker 5>Will bring you all the details.

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<v Speaker 6>Plus after years in development, Microsoft's highly anticipated Starfield hits

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<v Speaker 6>the marketplace to some rave reviews. We discussed with the

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<v Speaker 6>heads of Bethesda Game Studios and Microsoft Gaming.

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<v Speaker 3>And the US is seeking more details into Huawei's made

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<v Speaker 3>in China chip as they start to wonder about the

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<v Speaker 3>effectiveness of US curbs on the carries vast technology sector.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's dig into these markets first and foremost, as

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<v Speaker 3>we look at what is again a macro picture ed overall,

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<v Speaker 3>we are seeing ism services, the data, the macro picture

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<v Speaker 3>of health here in the United States, whereas it is lackluster.

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<v Speaker 5>Over in Europe and over in China. And what does that.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean, Well, we actually see rates rise here in the US.

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<v Speaker 3>We see the dollar rise in particular up two tents

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<v Speaker 3>of percent.

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<v Speaker 5>And as we.

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<v Speaker 3>Start to see a question of whether the Fed has

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<v Speaker 3>to go further in terms of interest rate hikes to

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<v Speaker 3>cool down the inflationary pressure here in the US, that

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<v Speaker 3>of course means further sell off in the Nasdaq. We're

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<v Speaker 3>off by more than one point one percent. The two

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<v Speaker 3>year yield as we see crescendoing up some six basis points.

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<v Speaker 3>We're above that five percent level, so notable in the

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<v Speaker 3>minds of many at this moment. We're also looking what's

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<v Speaker 3>happening in the Bloomberg Dollar Index, as I said, up

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<v Speaker 3>two tens percent.

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<v Speaker 5>What does that mean for the rest of the risk

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<v Speaker 5>assets out there?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we know that Japan, China they start to talk

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<v Speaker 3>up really trying to fight back on preserving their own currencies.

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<v Speaker 3>What does it mean for crypto where we're seeing actually,

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<v Speaker 3>of course continue pressure from the US dollar visa v bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 3>We're now twenty five thousand, five seventy eight. Is this

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<v Speaker 3>more risk a version that's playing in? Is it a

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<v Speaker 3>strong dollar? But we're off by five ten percent. But

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<v Speaker 3>dig into some of the micro that's dragging down the Nasdaq.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Karray, these are the biggest points movers to the

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<v Speaker 6>downside on the Nasdaq one hundred. Clearly that hot ism

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<v Speaker 6>print is impacting equities at the single name level, but

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<v Speaker 6>there's news flow as well. Overnight the Wall Street Journal

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<v Speaker 6>reporting that China Central government is telling specific agencies some

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<v Speaker 6>agencies as the language they use to get their people

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<v Speaker 6>to move away from using foreign handsets to domestic handsets,

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<v Speaker 6>with particular focus on Apple's iPhone. We will discuss that

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<v Speaker 6>later in the show, along with what's happening with Huawei,

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<v Speaker 6>Tesla and Nvidia also big drags on the index at

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<v Speaker 6>the innex level the Nasdaq one hundred. Two other big

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<v Speaker 6>names that we're watching at the megacap level. Well, the

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<v Speaker 6>first is Microsoft. As you heard later in the show,

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<v Speaker 6>we will speak to Microsoft's gaming chief and the head

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<v Speaker 6>of the prefers to Studio Starfield available today. So many

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<v Speaker 6>of you have reached out to Karen and I with

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<v Speaker 6>your thoughts on the title.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll dig into that.

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<v Speaker 6>But we also had the Gatekeeper's list out of the EU,

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<v Speaker 6>which has some relevance to all of these megacat names.

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<v Speaker 6>Then Amazon down one percent, as you know, Caroline. According

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<v Speaker 6>to our sources, the FTC will finally act later this

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<v Speaker 6>month with that suit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, as soon as September. That's, of course what's currently

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<v Speaker 3>being reported by our own people on the ground. And

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<v Speaker 3>we know that the company has been trying to well

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<v Speaker 3>win the ear of regulators, but it's failed thus far

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<v Speaker 3>to really offer what has been a substantive reason as

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<v Speaker 3>to why it's marketplace in particular hasn't been deemed well

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<v Speaker 3>overall some sort of competitive.

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<v Speaker 5>Threat at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're going to be digging into all of these

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<v Speaker 3>lack of concessions.

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<v Speaker 5>Thus far, it seems Blooms, Lea, Ninel and Lea.

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<v Speaker 3>What is it that Amazon really has failed to show

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<v Speaker 3>to the FTC.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, the FTC has been looking at Amazon now for

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<v Speaker 7>four years and it has a lot of concerns about

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<v Speaker 7>the way that it has organized its marketplace. In order

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<v Speaker 7>to get the prime badge, which you know is the

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<v Speaker 7>one that most people buy, It's the one that when

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<v Speaker 7>you go into the website and click on the buybox,

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<v Speaker 7>that's the one right there. In order to get that,

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<v Speaker 7>you have to use Amazon's logistics service, and the FTC

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<v Speaker 7>is concerned that that unfairly ties access to the marketplace

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<v Speaker 7>to using these other services that Amazon buys now. Amazon

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<v Speaker 7>has tried to assuage some of the concerns about that,

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<v Speaker 7>such as by opening up this new program called Prime

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<v Speaker 7>Prime Sellers so that you could do your own logistics

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<v Speaker 7>by using like ups or FedEx.

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<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't seem to.

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<v Speaker 7>Have resolved any concerns by the FTC.

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<v Speaker 6>Leah, we know that in mid August, representatives from Amazon

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<v Speaker 6>met with the three commissioners of the FTC. We talked

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<v Speaker 6>so much about it with you on this program, but

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<v Speaker 6>what we didn't really learn was are there any concessions

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<v Speaker 6>or anything. Carol talked about that that Amazon tried to

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<v Speaker 6>do to avert this from happening or is it always

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<v Speaker 6>just going to happen?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, what we've heard about that meeting. It took place

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<v Speaker 7>in mid August. They had a video chat with all

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<v Speaker 7>of them commissioners and sort of laid out what they

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<v Speaker 7>think are their defenses to these things.

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<v Speaker 5>There were no settlement talks.

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<v Speaker 7>At that meeting, so the FTC wasn't particularly interested in

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<v Speaker 7>hearing about a settlement. Which Amazon had offered a settlement

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<v Speaker 7>to resolve these sort of concerns in both Europe and

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<v Speaker 7>the UK, but here in the US the FTC was

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<v Speaker 7>not particularly interested, so that was sort.

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<v Speaker 8>Of the last step before.

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<v Speaker 7>A suit is filed, and we're hearing that it will

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<v Speaker 7>probably come sometime later.

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<v Speaker 3>This month, and just give us the context.

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<v Speaker 5>Remind us if you've.

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<v Speaker 3>Forgotten, of course, Lena Khan, many you expected this was

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<v Speaker 3>likely to come. It's the big beefy world visa VI Amazon,

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<v Speaker 3>And actually they've taken steps to sue already in May

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<v Speaker 3>and then in June.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so this will actually be the fourth lawsuit that

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<v Speaker 7>the FTC has filed against Amazon this year. They filed

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<v Speaker 7>two earlier over the privacy related to Amazon's devices. Those

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<v Speaker 7>were the ring doorbell and the echo speaker. Amazon to

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<v Speaker 7>pay thirty million dollars and fines related to that. They

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<v Speaker 7>filed a second suit that remains pending. Amazon can tests

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<v Speaker 7>that one over consumer protection allegations related to Prime. The

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<v Speaker 7>FTC says that Amazon has deliberately made it too difficult

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<v Speaker 7>for consumers to cancel their Prime subscriptions. Amazon, as I said,

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<v Speaker 7>is contesting that, and that lawsuit is ongoing. But this

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<v Speaker 7>will be sort of like the big one, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>Lena Khan was well known before she became FTC chair

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<v Speaker 7>for this paper she wrote about Amazon. Someone was joking

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<v Speaker 7>to me the other day that like this lawsuit is

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<v Speaker 7>going to be like inscribed on her tombstone when she dies.

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<v Speaker 7>So you know, the FTC has been like looking forward

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<v Speaker 7>to this for at least the past two years, and

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<v Speaker 7>it's going to be one of the biggest moves that

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<v Speaker 7>they make during the administration.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, Blombos Leah Eylan on the antitrust beat at

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<v Speaker 6>a DC, thank you sticking with these kind of geopolitical tensions.

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<v Speaker 6>The US is working to establish a full detail of

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<v Speaker 6>Huawei's advances in chit technology, news of which is Chinese

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<v Speaker 6>nationalizard and ignited speculation about the effectiveness of Washington's curbs

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<v Speaker 6>on the country's vast technology sector. For more, let's bring

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<v Speaker 6>in Bloomberg's and Marie Orden amh DC A calling for

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<v Speaker 6>what they see as a warranted investigation into Huawei and

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<v Speaker 6>the seven nanometer processor.

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<v Speaker 4>Will we get one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we heard from.

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<v Speaker 9>Jake Salvin yesterday and he really didn't want to make

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<v Speaker 9>a prediction. All we saw at of Huawei interesting and

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<v Speaker 9>a coincidence if you will, or potentially on purpose. When

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<v Speaker 9>Gina Ramando, the individual in charge of the Commerce Department

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<v Speaker 9>which is enacting those export controls and would likely be

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<v Speaker 9>the ones to be leading that investigation when she was

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<v Speaker 9>leaving China. But when we heard from Jake Selva and

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<v Speaker 9>the President's national security advisors that they need more information,

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<v Speaker 9>they certainly want to.

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<v Speaker 5>Look into this.

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<v Speaker 9>But today and they might get some political pressure because

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<v Speaker 9>today we heard from Representative Michael McCall, he's the Republican

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<v Speaker 9>chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee.

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<v Speaker 8>And he was asked about this.

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<v Speaker 9>He was asked if China's chopped chip maker SMIC warned

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<v Speaker 9>in an investigation.

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<v Speaker 5>He said he certainly thinks it does.

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<v Speaker 9>And he says it sure looks like they did in

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<v Speaker 9>terms of violating sanctions. So this is not just going

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<v Speaker 9>to be political pressure on the White House from Congress

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<v Speaker 9>on the Republicans side of Democratic side, it does look

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<v Speaker 9>like they want to see how Huawei was able to

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<v Speaker 9>come up with this phone, given the fact that SMIC

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<v Speaker 9>is on the entity's list, Whawei itself is on the

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<v Speaker 9>entity's list, and given the fact that you have US

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<v Speaker 9>technology present within SMIC components, if they were to want

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<v Speaker 9>to give it to Huawei, they would need to get

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<v Speaker 9>release and call Washington and get and get that review

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<v Speaker 9>before they were should be allowed to do so.

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<v Speaker 5>According to the current rule and law.

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<v Speaker 3>Smoothyard Highens. That's basically, well the tactics have been thus far.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that ultimately gets cooled into question because

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<v Speaker 3>Jake Sullivan seems to be sticking to that particular calls.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 9>What Jake Sullivan wanted to say yesterday is that they

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<v Speaker 9>still maintain that there is a lot of business between

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<v Speaker 9>or seemed like he was trying to say business between

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<v Speaker 9>Washington and Beijing on the commercial side. But these export controls,

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<v Speaker 9>these sanctions, these investigations, if they have one, is really

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<v Speaker 9>has to do with.

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<v Speaker 5>National security concerns.

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<v Speaker 9>That was the message from Gina Ramundo when she was

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<v Speaker 9>in China, and that seemed to be the message yesday

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<v Speaker 9>from the podium in the West Wing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Mary Holden, brilliant, Thank you very much for bringing

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<v Speaker 3>us the inside track from Washington. Meanwhile, look, let's just

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<v Speaker 3>talk a little bit more about what's happening in China.

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<v Speaker 5>Because the government agencies.

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<v Speaker 3>Have in fact band staff from using iPhones, Apple iPhones

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<v Speaker 3>and other foreign random devices at work. That's all as

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<v Speaker 3>we understand to the Wall Street Journal, China is Apple's

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<v Speaker 3>largest international market. Remember, and iPhones are common in both

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<v Speaker 3>government and in the private sector, so we'll see how

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<v Speaker 3>that continues to unfold.

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<v Speaker 6>Time for some talking tech first up Right to Repair

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<v Speaker 6>supporters are increasingly bullish about their chances of advancing legislation

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<v Speaker 6>in states nationwide after Apple unexpectedly got behind a California

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<v Speaker 6>bill that cleared a key herd all last week. Final

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<v Speaker 6>approval of the proposal will make the Golden State the

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<v Speaker 6>latest to pass a law requiring the electronics companies loos

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<v Speaker 6>in control over the parts and technical know how necessary

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<v Speaker 6>to fix their products. Microsoft and Apple face fresh investigations

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<v Speaker 6>from EU regulators as part of the block's landmark Digital

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<v Speaker 6>markets clamp down. Those companies are among a list of

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<v Speaker 6>twenty two services for under the EU's Digital Markets Act,

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<v Speaker 6>which gives them six months to fall in line with

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<v Speaker 6>the new rules or challenge.

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<v Speaker 4>Them in an EU court.

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<v Speaker 6>Plus, Saudi Telecom is taking a nearly ten percent stake

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<v Speaker 6>in Spain's Telefonica for roughly two point twenty five billion,

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<v Speaker 6>as the struggling the Did based carrier prepares to lay

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<v Speaker 6>out a new strategy for future growth. The acquisition is

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<v Speaker 6>bound to draw scrutiny from the Spanish government, which views

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<v Speaker 6>Telefonica as a company of strategic importance operating in this

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<v Speaker 6>structure that is critical to the nation's defense and security.

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<v Speaker 3>Caroline, Meanwhile, I mean so many other stories to be

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<v Speaker 3>digging into today. One of them is, of course, after

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<v Speaker 3>their reverse stock split one to forty we work back

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<v Speaker 3>at three dollars forty three, but under pressure once again,

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<v Speaker 3>we're down by three percent. And this, as we understand,

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<v Speaker 3>the CEO is putting out really a letter talking about

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<v Speaker 3>how they're looking to renegotiate nearly all of their leases

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<v Speaker 3>with landlords and they plan to exit what they call

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<v Speaker 3>unfit and underperforming locations.

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<v Speaker 5>Really, David totally here, Ed is sort.

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<v Speaker 3>Of at a race against time, really, isn't it. Ultimately

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of businesses haven't been returning to the office.

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<v Speaker 3>We now get the feel that it's back to school

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<v Speaker 3>Septembers upon us. But ultimately they are running low on

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<v Speaker 3>the money and they need to be renegotiating now. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>they've already warned that whether or not this business can

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<v Speaker 3>be a going concern.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so that happened last month.

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<v Speaker 6>But the reality is there are people in the tech

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<v Speaker 6>industry that still use we work, you know, small startup

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<v Speaker 6>shared spaces and are. Part of what Tolly said is

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<v Speaker 6>that if we're going to close locations down just like

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<v Speaker 6>they've done in the past, as part of this process,

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<v Speaker 6>they're going to have to go and tell everyone that's

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<v Speaker 6>currently working in them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, off for alternative arrangements, additional support to minimize any

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<v Speaker 3>disruption or indeed inconvenience, but inconvenient it is if you

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<v Speaker 3>are in someone who enjoys going into the office in

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<v Speaker 3>some of these key locations. But we keep a close

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<v Speaker 3>eye on what is now at three dollars forty three

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<v Speaker 3>stock and has continued to be under pressure from New

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<v Speaker 3>York and San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Bloomberg Technology.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's go global and take a look at India's economic transformation.

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<v Speaker 6>With multinational giants like Apple and Samsum looking to diversify

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<v Speaker 6>their manufacturing away from China, Here's the question, is India

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<v Speaker 6>prepared to take China's path and emerge as the next

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<v Speaker 6>global factory to become the next economic powerhouse. Here's Bloomberg's Minarkadoshi.

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<v Speaker 10>India is the world's second largest phone market, over two

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<v Speaker 10>hundred million sold last year.

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<v Speaker 2>A decade ago, most of them were important.

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<v Speaker 10>Now the country is a net exporter with Samsung and.

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<v Speaker 2>Apple leading the charch.

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<v Speaker 10>Crimnisterner in the movie wants to repeat this phone success

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<v Speaker 10>across electronic goods, electric vehicles, green energy, chemicals, textiles.

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<v Speaker 2>The neartome goal is to reverse the.

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<v Speaker 10>Declining share of manufacturing in GDP, targeting one trillion dollars

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<v Speaker 10>in goods exports and most importantly, creating jobs for the

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<v Speaker 10>largest working age population.

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<v Speaker 2>In the world.

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<v Speaker 10>But standing in the way of this manufacturing nvision are

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<v Speaker 10>some old challenges, land acquisition problems, high logistics costs, and

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<v Speaker 10>some new ones as well automation lack of skilled labor

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<v Speaker 10>take phones, for instance. The government has implemented a mix

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<v Speaker 10>of high import tariffs on finished phones and production incentives

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<v Speaker 10>to boost local manufacture, but supply chain in digitization is.

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<v Speaker 2>A long way off.

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<v Speaker 10>According to one report, Indian factories add eighteen percent in

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<v Speaker 10>value to the electronic devices they assemble for export, compared

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<v Speaker 10>with thirty eight percent in China and twenty four percent

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<v Speaker 10>in Vietnam. Manufacturing in Vietnam is also cheaper by at

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<v Speaker 10>least a tells the mag in India campaign will benefit

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<v Speaker 10>from record investments in infrastructure and logistics. There's also the

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<v Speaker 10>lure of a potentially large domestic market. And now there's

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<v Speaker 10>the China plus one wave as large global corporations seek

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<v Speaker 10>to mitigate geopolitical risks, and they are slow in China

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<v Speaker 10>economy by diversifying their supply chains.

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<v Speaker 2>Since the liberal i of.

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<v Speaker 10>Its economy in the nineties, India has come to be

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<v Speaker 10>known as the back office to the world. After becoming

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<v Speaker 10>a developed economy, the government also needs it to become

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<v Speaker 10>the factory to the world.

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<v Speaker 6>That was Bloomberg's Monarkadoshi right. Top story Microsoft shot for

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<v Speaker 6>the sky was Starfield. It's ambitious new space role playing

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<v Speaker 6>video game and so far looks like a pretty decent

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<v Speaker 6>bet The highly anticipated title arrives after seven years in development.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the first time Bethesda has entered a new universe

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<v Speaker 6>in twenty five years. Starfield available today to everyone through

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<v Speaker 6>Xbox Game Pass. Delighted to bring in some of the

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<v Speaker 6>giants behind the game, Phil Spencer, CEO of Microsoft Gaming,

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<v Speaker 6>and Todd Howard, executive director of Bethesda Games Studios and

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<v Speaker 6>the executive producer on the title. Todd, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 6>start with you. I asked our audience, what would you

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<v Speaker 6>ask Todd? Big question from many, why did you not

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<v Speaker 6>optimize this game for PC.

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<v Speaker 2>We did.

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<v Speaker 11>It's running great. It is a next gen PC game.

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<v Speaker 11>We really do push the technology, so you may need

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<v Speaker 11>to upgrade your PC for this game. But it's got

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<v Speaker 11>a lot of great stuff going on in it, and

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<v Speaker 11>the fans are responding awesome.

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<v Speaker 6>Karen and I have been reviewing the gameplay. We've also

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<v Speaker 6>been reviewing some of the discussion online. Phil, Good to

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<v Speaker 6>see you Xbox game Pass. Okay, it's available to anyone

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<v Speaker 6>that subscribes, so how can you guarantee from a sort

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<v Speaker 6>of sales perspective that you kind of hit the heights

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<v Speaker 6>that Skyrim has. If it's available to anyone through game Pass,

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<v Speaker 6>how do you ensure people actually play it?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, we can see people playing, which is great on

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<v Speaker 12>the platform. You might know, the game has been in

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<v Speaker 12>preview for the last week and it's already our most

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<v Speaker 12>played next Gen exclusive game on Xbox, so we're seeing

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<v Speaker 12>huge success. It's our biggest wish listed game on Steam

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<v Speaker 12>across Xbox and Bethesda Game Studio's history. And now, as

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<v Speaker 12>you said, tens of millions of Game Path subscribers and

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<v Speaker 12>the Standard Edition retail customers all get to play today.

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<v Speaker 12>So incredible day New franchise launching.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of.

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<v Speaker 3>Fun and I'm sure you want to dwell on the

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<v Speaker 3>here that now, Phil, But You've been asked and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to ask it again. You mentioned exclusive, so does

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<v Speaker 3>that mean being able to scroll six will be How

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<v Speaker 3>do you mark as to whether this is the right track, Phil?

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, we look at it on a case by case basis.

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<v Speaker 12>With the games that we build, we want to make

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<v Speaker 12>sure our games are available in so many different places

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<v Speaker 12>on our Xbox consoles, on.

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<v Speaker 4>PC, also via cloud.

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<v Speaker 12>These games can come to almost any web enabled device.

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<v Speaker 12>We're looking at. You know, millions and millions of players

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<v Speaker 12>who will have had access to Starfield and other Xbox

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<v Speaker 12>Game Studios games. It's really about giving players choice around

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<v Speaker 12>how they want to play and they build their library

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<v Speaker 12>of games.

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<v Speaker 3>What then, todd about timing? What then about other names,

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<v Speaker 3>other games Calder for example, Wilder'sgate that have done significant well,

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<v Speaker 3>how do you think about ultimately making sure everyone's addicted

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<v Speaker 3>to your current offering right here right now?

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<v Speaker 11>You know, I think if you look at video games now,

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<v Speaker 11>it is so competitive. I think this year twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 11>three could be the greatest year ever in video games.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't know, but to have Starfield be out there

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<v Speaker 11>and the response that we've gotten has just been incredible

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<v Speaker 11>for everybody here at the studio. And the other thing is, yes,

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<v Speaker 11>it's about launch, it's about today, but our games they

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<v Speaker 11>are played for years. You know, we're twelve years after

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<v Speaker 11>Skyrim still one of our most played games. So we

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<v Speaker 11>like to build these worlds that people can really really

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<v Speaker 11>get lost in the fan feedback and what it means

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<v Speaker 11>to everybody, It really is incredible for all of us here.

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<v Speaker 6>Todd, I want to go to another one of the

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<v Speaker 6>audience questions, and it's very specific, but so many people

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<v Speaker 6>asked it, why are there no vehicles on planets? Space

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<v Speaker 6>is one thing, but what about terra firma.

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<v Speaker 11>It's a great question. Actually it's something we consider. You know,

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<v Speaker 11>we're going to do our space, we're going new planets.

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<v Speaker 11>Once you do vehicles, it does change the gameplay. So

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<v Speaker 11>by focusing once you land in your ship that you're

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<v Speaker 11>on foot, it lets us really for the players, make

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<v Speaker 11>it an experience where we know how fast they're seeing things.

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<v Speaker 2>In one sense.

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<v Speaker 11>You do have a vehicle, which is obviously have your spaceship.

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<v Speaker 11>You can go around in space, but then on the

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<v Speaker 11>surface you do have a jetpack which you can upgrade,

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<v Speaker 11>which is super fun new experience for us. And obviously

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<v Speaker 11>planets have different levels of gravity which make that unique

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<v Speaker 11>for many planets.

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<v Speaker 6>Phil this is so closely tied to Xbox, and I

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<v Speaker 6>find it interesting. I have to ask you about the

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<v Speaker 6>latest offer from Microsoft and Activision to the uk CMA.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you think that that structure will be accepted with

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<v Speaker 6>the UKCMA.

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<v Speaker 12>You know, we're working cooperatively with the regulators as we've

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<v Speaker 12>had through this whole process. As you're well aware, it's

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<v Speaker 12>been a long process. We remain confident in the work

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<v Speaker 12>that we're doing with the CMA and the European Commission

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<v Speaker 12>and here with the FTC and the UA, that we

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<v Speaker 12>will close this acquisition.

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<v Speaker 5>Another rather specific question for you, Todd.

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<v Speaker 3>What's been your favorite means and operation, like what you'll

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<v Speaker 3>build out there? What's been your favorite build or indeed

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<v Speaker 3>favorite well means of traveling through space.

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<v Speaker 11>Favorite means of traveling through space? Well, you know, when

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<v Speaker 11>I'm doing my ship, I like to focus on shields

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<v Speaker 11>and defense because you never know where it's going to

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<v Speaker 11>happen when you jump into a new system in the game,

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<v Speaker 11>as far as character builds, it's one of the things

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<v Speaker 11>we love to do, which is.

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<v Speaker 5>There's so much you can do in the game.

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<v Speaker 11>It's almost like five or six games at once, and

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<v Speaker 11>we usually tell people just get comfortable, do what you

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<v Speaker 11>want to do. If you want to zen out and

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<v Speaker 11>scan planets and explore them, great, If you want to

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<v Speaker 11>join the pirates, great, if you want to do this

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<v Speaker 11>epic main quest. It's really whatever you want to do,

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<v Speaker 11>whatever you're comfortable with, and really for us it is

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<v Speaker 11>we do these worlds, but it's about the players making

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<v Speaker 11>it their own.

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<v Speaker 6>Todd This game took seven years to make. Generative AI

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<v Speaker 6>now allows studios like you to expedite the creation process quickly.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it seems we want to do that every time.

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<v Speaker 11>We want to do it faster, and there are areas

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<v Speaker 11>where we can go faster, but these are complex projects.

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<v Speaker 11>They're big technological innovation going on. There's so much design.

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<v Speaker 11>This game has over three million words in it, so

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<v Speaker 11>we do like to make really big games. Those will

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<v Speaker 11>take some time, and as you mentioned before, the competition

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<v Speaker 11>our industry is quite high. The bar is high, and

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<v Speaker 11>we want to get there for all of our fans.

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<v Speaker 3>Every time it's great having some time with you, Todd

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<v Speaker 3>Howard and indeed Phil Spencer. We thank you both, Phil Spencer,

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see you, Maxloft Game and Todd Howard, executive director

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<v Speaker 3>of Bethesda Game Studios and of course the executive producer

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<v Speaker 3>of Starfield. From New York and San Francisco. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>Blue Meg Technology. Wellcome back to Blue Meg Technology. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>Caroline Hid in New York.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm ed Lovelow in San Francisco. Quick check in

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<v Speaker 6>on the market. Then as that one hundred at the

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<v Speaker 6>index level, Carro and you know, we've really started to

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<v Speaker 6>kind of accelerate other clients down one point two percent.

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<v Speaker 6>You talked at the top of the show about the

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<v Speaker 6>hot print fort ism data that seems to have weighed

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<v Speaker 6>on sentiment. But some megacap names also under pressure a

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<v Speaker 6>lot in the newsfod that.

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<v Speaker 4>We've covered off.

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<v Speaker 6>There's one specific name that I wanted to bring you,

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<v Speaker 6>which is by DO, China's search giant, the Google of China.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a really interesting tech Watch column. This is by

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<v Speaker 6>DO over the last seven days, but we're down in

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<v Speaker 6>the last two sessions. The theory is that there could

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<v Speaker 6>be some room to run on this stock because not

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<v Speaker 6>only did it sort of get the regulatory approvals from

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<v Speaker 6>China to deploy its generative AI tool to the public,

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<v Speaker 6>but ernie bot has hit a million downloads. And what

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<v Speaker 6>our colleagues in Bloomberg mus have done is look at

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<v Speaker 6>all the technical indicators, look at the options market, and say,

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<v Speaker 6>there's a lot of hype around AI, but this is

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<v Speaker 6>one name.

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<v Speaker 4>That we might want to watch for.

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<v Speaker 6>So I wanted to squeeze that in while we had

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<v Speaker 6>a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>It's good because I'm going to be digging into the

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<v Speaker 3>world of AI a little bit more with.

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<v Speaker 5>A VC air Street Capital.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, Nathan Binet is going to be joining us,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's been all focused on by Do. But let's

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<v Speaker 3>go from bay Do to Binance. Right now the world

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<v Speaker 3>of crypto. Two finance executives ed overseeing regions including Eastern

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<v Speaker 3>Europe and Russia. Well they've left, and actually it's just

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<v Speaker 3>adding the drip drip drip of continued roll revolving doors.

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<v Speaker 5>At the moment, the senior managers just aparting.

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<v Speaker 3>This comes as we know that regulators in the US

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<v Speaker 3>and elsewhere are cracking down in the company.

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<v Speaker 5>But EMOTIONALI Bessek joins US.

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<v Speaker 3>More So, is this in any way idiosyncratic to Eastern

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<v Speaker 3>Europe and Russia or is this.

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<v Speaker 5>A broader theme.

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<v Speaker 8>There's definitely a broader theme here.

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<v Speaker 13>We know that there are a number of very senior

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<v Speaker 13>executives here. Remember the Wall Street Journal had also reported

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<v Speaker 13>that Helen High, who ran the global feat business, is

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<v Speaker 13>among those who have departed.

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<v Speaker 8>Then we also have the person.

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<v Speaker 13>Who as a global head of product who had left

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<v Speaker 13>very recently as well. We also have the person who

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<v Speaker 13>ran the finance business in the Asia Pacific region. So

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<v Speaker 13>certainly across regions you are seeing different members of the

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<v Speaker 13>Binance senior leadership teams start to exit. Now, remember crypto

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<v Speaker 13>tends to be a business where people come and go

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<v Speaker 13>a lot. However, you're only as good as your business here.

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<v Speaker 13>I know that this is a technology business, but it

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<v Speaker 13>is the people who are expanding in those areas, and

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<v Speaker 13>finance has always been kind of the central pivotal international

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<v Speaker 13>player when it comes to the crypto community, as well

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<v Speaker 13>as being such a large exchange across the world. So

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<v Speaker 13>to your point on is it just Eastern Europe, the

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<v Speaker 13>fact that we've seen such senior executives had to Global

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<v Speaker 13>Product Asia as well, as Eastern Europe definitely indicates that

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<v Speaker 13>you are seeing issues in different.

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<v Speaker 3>Areas Czy though, yes, putting a bit of a kind

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<v Speaker 3>of we silver lining to it all saying look, they're

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<v Speaker 3>going on to new ventures, some people will great talent

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<v Speaker 3>are coming from outside of buy Now and for what.

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<v Speaker 13>It's worth, having this conversation with you and now is

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<v Speaker 13>making me giggle. We'll hear that because you are seeing

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<v Speaker 13>this at other companies. You are seeing places like Goldman

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<v Speaker 13>say the same exact thing. And so as far as

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<v Speaker 13>talent leaving going other places and having a relationship to

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<v Speaker 13>the extent can prove that relationship is playing out. That's

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<v Speaker 13>the benefit of having your first job or such a

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<v Speaker 13>high level position at such a key exchange as you

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<v Speaker 13>build new crypto products. But again, the only benefit from

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<v Speaker 13>the company comes if that relationship or.

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<v Speaker 4>To continue shannata. We're going to go pretty deep on

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<v Speaker 4>another name in just a minute.

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<v Speaker 6>But Binance, like many others, is just as embattled, particularly

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<v Speaker 6>with the SEC scrutiny, and this is a thing that

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<v Speaker 6>CZ has to still deal with of course.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, remember that is of course a very big problem

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<v Speaker 13>here when you come to the lawsuits that they're facing

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<v Speaker 13>as well as the regulatory scrutiny, particularly here in the

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<v Speaker 13>United States. I would also say it's not just the

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<v Speaker 13>SEC that it's facing. Remember we're not too many months

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<v Speaker 13>away from when their own stable coin product had faced

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<v Speaker 13>scrutiny here via the issuer that it worked with.

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<v Speaker 8>Through the New York Department of Financial Services.

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<v Speaker 13>And these are all pretty critical pieces of the puzzle

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<v Speaker 13>when you think about what the crypto industry relies on

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<v Speaker 13>and what they trade at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 8>So it is kind of coming from all sides, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 13>But again, these are now years long issues that Binance

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<v Speaker 13>has been facing, and so these executives leaving is not

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<v Speaker 13>just about regulation anymore's about business.

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<v Speaker 4>Away from Binance.

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<v Speaker 6>Shnali, It's that time of the week where I ask

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<v Speaker 6>you what is the latest on the Bitcoin sport ETF.

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<v Speaker 13>Saga, And you know, we are weeks away from the

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<v Speaker 13>next set of answers from the SEC on whether they're

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<v Speaker 13>going to approve or punt or deny more ETFs. And

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<v Speaker 13>given that we are just days away from when they've

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<v Speaker 13>punted yet again on a host of ETFs tied to

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<v Speaker 13>major providers.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, just a day ago we were speaking to.

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<v Speaker 13>Executive at Valkyrie, which has a penny application, who said

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<v Speaker 13>that people believes that there's a fifty percent chance that

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<v Speaker 13>after October they finally get an answer either way, and

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<v Speaker 13>there is a grand hope that there will be approval.

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<v Speaker 13>But it is pretty fascinating to see the Grayscale Bitcoin Trust,

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<v Speaker 13>for example, how it's trading. It's still at a twenty

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<v Speaker 13>percent discount to its net asset value. Remember that gap

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<v Speaker 13>had closed after the initial decision last week from the

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<v Speaker 13>district judge regarding their law suit against the SEC.

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<v Speaker 8>As far as Grayscale goes, they're.

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<v Speaker 13>Asking the SEC for answers as well. They are only

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<v Speaker 13>a couple days into that forty five day waiting period.

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<v Speaker 13>But that forty five day waiting period, the longer it

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<v Speaker 13>goes on, the more frustrating it is for everybody who

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<v Speaker 13>has an application that is sitting on the sidelines, that

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<v Speaker 13>is waiting for an answer in October.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and it is an important question because the market

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<v Speaker 6>is trying to play it. And if there's anyone that

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<v Speaker 6>understands the moving timeline, it's Bloomberg Snali Bassek, thank.

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<v Speaker 4>You very much. Okay.

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<v Speaker 6>As the AI height brings founders and a fresh influx

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<v Speaker 6>of VC dollars to San Francisco. One industry has been

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<v Speaker 6>left ruing what might have been crypto. That's the view

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<v Speaker 6>of Ripple Labs co founder Chris Last and I sat

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<v Speaker 6>down with him yesterday here in San Francisco, a c

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<v Speaker 6>the larcens now trying to help fixed the outlines how

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<v Speaker 6>he feels the federal government and US regulators have cost

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<v Speaker 6>San Francisco the title is the blockchain capital of the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Have listened.

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<v Speaker 14>That's really unfortunate because I think unfortunately this administration made

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<v Speaker 14>a really bad call.

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<v Speaker 4>At the city level or the federal or the federal level.

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<v Speaker 14>They pretty much killed San Francisco from being what it was,

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<v Speaker 14>the blockchain capital of the world. We owned it, and

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<v Speaker 14>we don't anymore because the Biden administration, for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 14>decided they want to push this industry offshore. And so

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<v Speaker 14>it's London, Singapore, Dubai that really are the global capitals

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<v Speaker 14>of blockchain. That's unfortunate. Maybe our vacancy rate would behalf

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<v Speaker 14>of what it is here in San Francisco. It's thirty percent.

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<v Speaker 14>It might have been fifteen percent if we still were

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<v Speaker 14>the global blockchain capital the world.

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<v Speaker 4>So that was a missed opportunity.

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<v Speaker 14>It's really unfortunate it hurt the city.

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<v Speaker 6>The latest with Rippled Labs action at the federal level

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<v Speaker 6>is that you have objected to the SEC's request to

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<v Speaker 6>appeal the original court ruling, which was a positive for

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<v Speaker 6>Ripple in the sense that it found the cryptocurrency xop

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<v Speaker 6>was not a security when it was sold to the public.

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<v Speaker 6>Could you just explain what the latest is with that

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<v Speaker 6>legal dispute.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I think the bottom line is the SEC lost

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<v Speaker 14>on everything that was important to them and important in

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<v Speaker 14>regulation of the industry. The case still continues. There's appeal

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<v Speaker 14>processes that everybody has the right to do. But we

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<v Speaker 14>think that this is really groundbreaking. This is the law

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<v Speaker 14>of the land, and it's actually quite good news.

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<v Speaker 4>I think.

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<v Speaker 14>For again, I think the US screwed up here on

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<v Speaker 14>crypto and blockchain policy. This is the beginning now through

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<v Speaker 14>the court's unfortunately, instead of the regulators to get that

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<v Speaker 14>clarity and get.

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<v Speaker 4>Us back in the work.

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<v Speaker 6>There's kind of both happening in parallel. There's your situation

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<v Speaker 6>with the SEC. Think about the application pending for bitcoins

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<v Speaker 6>for ETF. You know, Gary Gensler and the SEC have

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<v Speaker 6>both decisions to make applications and fights that.

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<v Speaker 4>They are are on not willing to pick.

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<v Speaker 6>How has that reflected on Gary Gensler to your mind

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<v Speaker 6>as the lead of that.

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<v Speaker 14>Well you bring up, yeah, you bring up a great point.

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<v Speaker 14>You saw in the latest challenge on the ETF the

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<v Speaker 14>Bitcoin ETF. Again SEC lost, but not only that, the

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<v Speaker 14>judge really admonished the SEC. I really called them out

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<v Speaker 14>in a way that you don't really see very often.

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<v Speaker 14>I think it's just more proof that Gary Ginsler's decision

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<v Speaker 14>of sort of engaging this regulation by enforcement rather than

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<v Speaker 14>getting clear laws. He knows they're not clear. He just

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<v Speaker 14>likes that lack of clarity so that he can go

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<v Speaker 14>after anybody and make up the rules as he goes

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<v Speaker 14>along through bullying. And that's not the American way. This

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<v Speaker 14>should be a congress. We should have clear rules from

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<v Speaker 14>the legislatures, not through the sort of unelected, power hungry

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<v Speaker 14>and really misplaced decision maker that you see in Gary Gensler.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, Cara, I mean you heard it strong words against

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<v Speaker 6>the chair of the lead US regulator, But he's basically

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<v Speaker 6>making an appeal, which is we want the federal government

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<v Speaker 6>to write laws, not keep going to court over and

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<v Speaker 6>over again with the same agency.

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<v Speaker 5>And yet they haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's interesting we're getting more and more clamor that

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps this isn't a partisan issue, perhaps this becomes bipartisan

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<v Speaker 3>in some way. But Ed, what's interesting is just Dwell

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<v Speaker 3>on the San Francisco element here, because this is what

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<v Speaker 3>really took my attention. How he feels that what the

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<v Speaker 3>sort of sucking sound of crypto and blockchain has hurt

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<v Speaker 3>the city and indeed the district yet more.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So the economic data point that he cited was commercial

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<v Speaker 6>real estate or office vacancy, which last quarter was at

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<v Speaker 6>thirty two percent CBRO data, and he said it would

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<v Speaker 6>be fifteen percent probably had this become such an unhappy

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<v Speaker 6>place for blockchain companies in particular, And he's saying to newfounders,

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<v Speaker 6>don't come here the city's to fix. You have better

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<v Speaker 6>lot going to Singapore or Dubai because they have proactive

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<v Speaker 6>regulation that supports the founding and building of companies in

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<v Speaker 6>that space.

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<v Speaker 3>But I feel that that must be something that well

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<v Speaker 3>reflects on the US more broadly. What is it just

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<v Speaker 3>because it's an added wound into San Francisco at a

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<v Speaker 3>time where they're still trying to bring workers back to

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<v Speaker 3>the city trailers still trying to ensure that their rualer

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<v Speaker 3>state is full in some way, not just in crypto,

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<v Speaker 3>but in software, in anything but AI.

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<v Speaker 6>Basically, his answer was very quick and simple. The federal

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<v Speaker 6>government were the main sort of driver of people out,

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<v Speaker 6>but there's no champion in San Francisco right now trying

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<v Speaker 6>to bring them back in.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's why we have a vacuum.

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<v Speaker 3>Really interesting take on particular niche on that focus on

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 3>that city. But coming up, let's go even more broad

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 3>and we're interested to talk about what's happening in Europe

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 3>and cultivating the startup scene there as well. Big new

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<v Speaker 3>rays coming from air Street Capital. It's a venture firm

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<v Speaker 3>backed by Spotify CEO Daniel Eck. We're going to be

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 3>joined by Nathan Banish, he's general partner in air Street Capital.

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<v Speaker 3>That's next. I mean, while before we go to private

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<v Speaker 3>let's go to the public markets. We just want to

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<v Speaker 3>shine a light in the fact that we are at

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<v Speaker 3>basically session lows the SMP off by more than percentage point,

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<v Speaker 3>looking in the nasdak off by one point four percent.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a question of macro data. Is the US

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<v Speaker 3>economy too strong? Does a fence still have to hike

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<v Speaker 3>the rates, go and stay above that five percent level

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<v Speaker 3>of the two year from New York and San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 15>This is Blueberg Technology.

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<v Speaker 5>It is at time our VC round up starting with

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<v Speaker 5>five hundred global Look.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of the most active early stage venture investors

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<v Speaker 3>over in Southeast Asia. It's an early backer of GRAB

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<v Speaker 3>and they just raise one hundred and forty three million

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<v Speaker 3>dollars to ramp up investments in the region. Firm now

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<v Speaker 3>has more than two point four billion dollars in assets

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<v Speaker 3>and the management. Meanwhile, the Blank Chech company started by

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<v Speaker 3>former IndyCar driver, that's Michael Andretti.

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<v Speaker 5>Here he's imagine with AI startup. It's about it Ai.

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<v Speaker 5>According to sources, the merger values about are at.

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<v Speaker 3>About two hundred million dollars plus Jared Kushner's Affinity Partners.

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<v Speaker 3>It's acquiring one hundred and fifty million dollar minority stake

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<v Speaker 3>in an Israeli car company. This marks the first investment

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<v Speaker 3>in Israel for the Miami based private equity firm, which

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<v Speaker 3>is backed by Saudi Arabia's Soften Wealth Fund, A really

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<v Speaker 3>global one.

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<v Speaker 5>Ad.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, those are the VC headlines. Let's stick with the

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<v Speaker 6>world of venture capital. Air Street Capital, venture firm focused

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<v Speaker 6>on early stage AI startups, has just raised a second

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<v Speaker 6>fund worth one hundred and twenty one million dollars. We're

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<v Speaker 6>backing from Spotify's CEO, Daniel eck Let's bring in Nathan Benaish,

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<v Speaker 6>general partner at air Street Capital for today's VC Spotlight.

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<v Speaker 6>We asked this question, Naean every time. How quickly did

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<v Speaker 6>you raise and close that fund?

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<v Speaker 16>That's a privilege to be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 16>you know, it's it's definitely a great time to be

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<v Speaker 16>investing in this space. You know, this is just a

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<v Speaker 16>moment in time.

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<v Speaker 11>You know.

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<v Speaker 16>I tend to think that raising funds is basically a

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<v Speaker 16>job over you're entire the career, and it's just a

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<v Speaker 16>little snapshot in the journey. But there was a lot

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<v Speaker 16>of interest, and yeah, we're fortunate to end up where

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<v Speaker 16>we did.

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<v Speaker 3>You are well known across Europe, clearly backing from well

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<v Speaker 3>the pinoff in the public markets that is Spotify, But

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<v Speaker 3>I'm interested in basically the areas of opportunity. Many would say, look,

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<v Speaker 3>AI is kind of dominated by San Francisco right now,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think a mistrell over in Europe which had

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<v Speaker 3>a phenomenal first race. What opportunities in artificial intelligence are

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<v Speaker 3>you seeing from the region.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, I think the opportunities for AI are genuinely global.

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<v Speaker 16>What's fascinating about Europe is it has this very strong

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<v Speaker 16>academic and research base for many years. Many of the

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<v Speaker 16>major contributors to landmark AI research papers that are going

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<v Speaker 16>to underpin the technology that works today, you know, had

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<v Speaker 16>their early careers in Europe. And I'm investing both in

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<v Speaker 16>Europe and in North America. I've been particularly interested in

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<v Speaker 16>pharmaceuticals and drug discovery, where I think AI is one

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<v Speaker 16>of these amazing native languages to explain biology. Interested in

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<v Speaker 16>enterprise software and automation, and also emerging sectors like robotics

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<v Speaker 16>and national security and defense.

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<v Speaker 6>Nathan can be startups in Europe building large language models

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<v Speaker 6>compete with those being built here by the likes of

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<v Speaker 6>open Ai by Google.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah. I think the foundation model space is particularly tricky.

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<v Speaker 16>I mean, as we all know, it's very capital intensive,

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<v Speaker 16>and it's probably going to be just a couple of

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<v Speaker 16>winners here that will form this kind of bedrock of

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<v Speaker 16>web services. I'm particularly not extremely drawn to these companies

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<v Speaker 16>because I'm not sure they make for great venture investments,

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<v Speaker 16>particularly for early stage funds. But it's definitely an interesting

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<v Speaker 16>domain to watch and never say never, but it's not

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<v Speaker 16>really the focus for me.

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<v Speaker 3>What's interesting is we came to Nathan on a story

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<v Speaker 3>really global, one of sort of venture backed by Saudi

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<v Speaker 3>Arabian money investing in Israeli style, and I'm interested as

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<v Speaker 3>to where the competition is form my allocation of checks.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you seeing Chinese money, are you seeing Middle Eastern

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<v Speaker 3>money coming into the startups across Europe? And are they

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<v Speaker 3>taking it? And are you investing alongside them?

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<v Speaker 16>I actually don't see that much for sure. In you

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<v Speaker 16>know the news we've seen, you know, AI generally become

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<v Speaker 16>part of the geopolitical discourse, and you know, it's one

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<v Speaker 16>of the kind of vectors through which you know, various

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<v Speaker 16>companies are going to be competitive going forward, and so

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<v Speaker 16>it makes sense the government should be involved, and I

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<v Speaker 16>think the UK government has been making some interesting moves

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<v Speaker 16>there as well. On the investing landscape, I don't really

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<v Speaker 16>see them. We tend to work with European and North

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<v Speaker 16>American partners for pretty much exclusively, but yeah, it hasn't

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<v Speaker 16>really crossed my roadmap as much.

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<v Speaker 3>And Nathan, what is interesting, is of course where you're

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<v Speaker 3>coming to us from. And indeed, well the times you

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<v Speaker 3>have with the UK sector in particular, and that is

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<v Speaker 3>one that we talk about time and time again. London

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<v Speaker 3>and its ability to continue to be a dominant force

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<v Speaker 3>in aid tech.

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<v Speaker 6>I think back to IVP they talked about it, Nathan,

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<v Speaker 6>being a London based bridge to Europe. You're going to

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<v Speaker 6>run your firm out of London. What's it like in

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<v Speaker 6>this post Brexit world? Is it a good place to

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<v Speaker 6>be a VC?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 16>I think you know, VC's definitely gone global, particularly in

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<v Speaker 16>the last couple of years. I think firms that have

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<v Speaker 16>been reticent to write checks over Zoom, you know, are

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<v Speaker 16>no longer like that. I mean for me, actually, I've

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<v Speaker 16>invested two checks over Zoom and sold the company before

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<v Speaker 16>I actually met the founders in person, So this can happen.

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<v Speaker 16>I'm completely happy with that. I tend to use London

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<v Speaker 16>as the base and then I'm very happy to travel

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<v Speaker 16>wherever I need to in Europe in North America. But

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<v Speaker 16>as you say, you know, Europe is a is a

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<v Speaker 16>hardbed for talent and you know, a deep mind kind

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<v Speaker 16>of winning the power balance with Google to be like

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<v Speaker 16>the de facto AI lab for the company and being

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<v Speaker 16>based in London, I think is a big win. And

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<v Speaker 16>with open EI joining the fray Ananthropic as well, I

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<v Speaker 16>think it's a it's a great and to be in

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<v Speaker 16>the space.

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<v Speaker 6>We've tracked all the data this year from pitch book

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<v Speaker 6>or see the insights wherever about the flow of VC

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<v Speaker 6>dollars to San Francisco in the context of AI and mL.

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<v Speaker 6>I just wondered if you could explain any bright spots

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<v Speaker 6>that you see, even if it's at a city level

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<v Speaker 6>where there is a lot of talent, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of dollars flowing to very specific areas in Europe.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, I think it's a very distributed kind of game,

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<v Speaker 16>and as you know, like seed is very local in

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<v Speaker 16>a way, so you do have to be present in

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<v Speaker 16>different ecosystems, which is you know why we try and

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<v Speaker 16>make key contributions into the space through state of a report,

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<v Speaker 16>through running best practice meetups and kind of trying to

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<v Speaker 16>lift the lift sort of all boats. Basically by showing

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<v Speaker 16>best practices. We invest in everything from you know, a

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<v Speaker 16>spin out in Studdeguard to you know, companies in Zurich

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<v Speaker 16>or Paris or Stockholm, and so I think if you

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<v Speaker 16>kind of own the megaphone online where basically the forum

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<v Speaker 16>for machine learners to debate is based Twitter or x

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<v Speaker 16>dot com, then that's a great place to start to

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<v Speaker 16>meet people. And so I think when I'm in New York,

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<v Speaker 16>people think I live there. When I'm in London, people

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<v Speaker 16>think I live there. I just go wherever the opportunities are.

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<v Speaker 3>And Nathan, you of course have PhD in cancer biology

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<v Speaker 3>from the University of Cambridge. Where is the opportunity in

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<v Speaker 3>the biotech meets AI space.

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<v Speaker 16>I think it's a radical transformation for how drugs are developed, designed, marketed,

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<v Speaker 16>how patients are selected for trials, and how we monitor

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<v Speaker 16>successive trials as patients are going through them. And I

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<v Speaker 16>think every one of those steps in the process that

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<v Speaker 16>I described can be really be rethought using better data capture,

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<v Speaker 16>better machine learning, trying to remove a lot of the

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<v Speaker 16>biases and irreproducibility issues that you see because a lot

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<v Speaker 16>of this process has still been very artisanal. Many of

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<v Speaker 16>the drug discovery companies that are publicly traded today and

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<v Speaker 16>suffering are based on science side of the lab that

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<v Speaker 16>is sometimes not particularly reproducible because it's all done by

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<v Speaker 16>you know, human people pipetting things in a lab. And

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<v Speaker 16>so I think once you move to this industrialization of

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<v Speaker 16>biology where you use automation and you use machine learning,

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<v Speaker 16>then you start to create companies that I think are

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<v Speaker 16>far more resilient because they have many more shots on

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<v Speaker 16>gold than a single drug, and so they look like

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<v Speaker 16>multi portfolio companies. And we see this with Xcentia and

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<v Speaker 16>with Recursion, you know, two companies that were privileged to

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<v Speaker 16>be a part of And it's a really exciting generation

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<v Speaker 16>of technology talent machine learners that are coming into biology.

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<v Speaker 16>Is the kind of new domain to build value is

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<v Speaker 16>far more exciting than kind of optimizing flicks on the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's too exciting and optimism to finish the conversation, Nathan VENETI,

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<v Speaker 3>we thank you for your time, General partner over an

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<v Speaker 3>air street.

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<v Speaker 5>Capital on the rais.

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<v Speaker 6>Time for going viral and burning Man is still the

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<v Speaker 6>talk of the internet. Off The annual Nevada Festival turned

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<v Speaker 6>into a multi day mudfest. Bloomberg Technologies. Ellen Hughitt has

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<v Speaker 6>first and experience and writes about how Wi Fi is

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<v Speaker 6>commodity in today's tech day.

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<v Speaker 4>Ellen, what was it like?

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<v Speaker 17>Well, it's funny as a reporter to be in the

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<v Speaker 17>middle of what we later found out was a news event.

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<v Speaker 17>But you know, it sounded dramatic if you were reading

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<v Speaker 17>about it on the news, and certainly there were some

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<v Speaker 17>people for whom this was very inconvenient and a little scary.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it really wasn't as bad as it sounds,

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<v Speaker 1>and it kind of brought people together, you know, talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a reason for everyone to band together, share resources,

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<v Speaker 1>try to find ways to have a laugh, even though

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<v Speaker 1>we were all a little wet and cold and very muddy.

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<v Speaker 5>Wet and cold and money sounds like lastomary to me.

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<v Speaker 3>We thank you, Ellen Hewittt getting back safely from New

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<v Speaker 3>York from San Francisco.

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