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<v Speaker 2>Welcome in What Drive with Nick rit Episode two forty four.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt it only appropriate to sheepshually wear Celtic screen

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<v Speaker 2>demand's you're on the precipice, my friend. This is I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think you've ever experienced really a championship for any

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<v Speaker 2>of your teams, No, because I mean you're you're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a Chiefs fan, Like you don't root against the Chiefs,

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<v Speaker 2>but you don't claim the Chiefs because you're not from

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<v Speaker 2>You don't really claim Kansas City. You don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>baseball team. The Celtics have been your team ever since

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<v Speaker 2>you had a Ray Allen fathead on your wall growing up,

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<v Speaker 2>and you, I mean technically you were you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>were obviously alive for their last championship, but you weren't

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<v Speaker 2>a Celtics fan in two.

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<v Speaker 3>That was when I feel like I first became a

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<v Speaker 3>Celtics fan. Was when they were facing Kobe in the finals.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it was like.

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<v Speaker 3>I almost want to say, it was like one of

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<v Speaker 3>the first basketball games I've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I think it was the finals they lost.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was.

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<v Speaker 4>You are right about that.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't. Yes, yes, they beat Kobe in the eight finals.

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<v Speaker 2>They won the twenty ten finals. I'm sorry they lost

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty ten finals. So yeah, so this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is a good moment for you, This is a good

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<v Speaker 2>moment for the folks of Boston who were so kind

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<v Speaker 2>to me a few days ago. Not a great moment

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<v Speaker 2>for me, not a great moment for Luka Doncic. And

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<v Speaker 2>we will discuss all of that, and in fact, let's

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<v Speaker 2>just get right into all of that. So here's what

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<v Speaker 2>missed the cut Lamar and I bury the hatchet. How

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<v Speaker 2>about this? Lamar sent this tweet that I missed. He

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<v Speaker 2>sent it just hours after he sent that picture of

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<v Speaker 2>the probiscus monkey with the long nose saying no, not

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<v Speaker 2>cousin Nick's list. That's my guy for real, just kicking

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<v Speaker 2>from the net. One hundred emoji and then a Raven's

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<v Speaker 2>colored heart, which made me feel a little bad when

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<v Speaker 2>I did the exact same list on television yesterday. But

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<v Speaker 2>I like Lamar, I root for Lamar. I just gotta

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<v Speaker 2>be honest. There was never a man, There was never

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<v Speaker 2>a more obvious. This has to be some marketing ruse

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<v Speaker 2>than Joey Jessnup banned from the Nathan tot dog eating contest.

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<v Speaker 2>Chessnu versus Kobe Yashi's gonna be on Labor Day on

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix and who could have seen this coming? The Lakers

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna interview JJ Reddick this weekend, but we've got

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<v Speaker 2>to start with Game three of the finals and these

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<v Speaker 2>Thermo nuclear Luca takes so de monse go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Mavericks needed the win last night. They couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>pull it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Luca fouled out with about four minutes left in the

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<v Speaker 3>fourth quarter. Kyrie obviously couldn't handle the load.

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<v Speaker 4>After he left, A few media.

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<v Speaker 3>Members are blaming Luca and saying that his pouting and

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<v Speaker 3>whining towards the rev is causing them the game or

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<v Speaker 3>the series. So Lucas never faced any heat like this

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<v Speaker 3>or eating backlash.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think that? Do you think it's at all warranted?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I am going to try once again to

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<v Speaker 2>preserve my title as the most honest and fair man

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<v Speaker 2>in sports media, and that means criticizing my large adult

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<v Speaker 2>Slovenian son where it's warranted, and it also might mean

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<v Speaker 2>pumping the brakes on some of the hyperbole that really

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<v Speaker 2>got rolling by my dear friend Brian Windhorse right after

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<v Speaker 2>the game. And I am not talking bad about Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>And in fact, I texted with Brian this morning and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to you know, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>reveal private text, but I will say what my first

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<v Speaker 2>text was too hard on Luca exclamation point, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will I don't think Brian would be mad. I will

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<v Speaker 2>reveal his first text back to me, which was that's

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<v Speaker 2>been a big problem for Luke in his career, people

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<v Speaker 2>being too hard on him. I sent some sarcasm there, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we went back and forth and I also

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<v Speaker 2>told him a take I had that he replied to

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<v Speaker 2>with don't go with that, but I am going to

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<v Speaker 2>go with it at some point. So here, here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Wendy crushed him, absolutely crushed him. Everyone since then has

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<v Speaker 2>joined the crushing. Here to me are the fair criticisms,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I will get into where I think we've

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<v Speaker 2>lost the plot a bit fair criticism. It's the god

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<v Speaker 2>Doog NBA Finals, and you cannot give up five on

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<v Speaker 2>four transition baskets because you are either barking at the

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<v Speaker 2>ref or laying on the ground trying to sell a

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<v Speaker 2>call that can't happen. That is on Luca, undeniably, that's

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<v Speaker 2>on Luca. I'm going to say another one. It is

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA Finals. Your team can't win without you, which

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<v Speaker 2>is an important element here. Even if you think you're

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<v Speaker 2>getting hosed by the refs, which Luca always thinks, he

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<v Speaker 2>usually has a bit of an argument, but there is

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<v Speaker 2>clearly a boy who cried Wolf element to it, which

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<v Speaker 2>is if you're always complaining, then we don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually a missed call. There was a sequence early

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<v Speaker 2>in the game when Luca throws It was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>an encapsulation of what is got to be frustrating for Luca.

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<v Speaker 2>He throws a perfect lob to Derek Lively, Lively misses

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<v Speaker 2>the dunk, they get the offensive rebound, Luca drives to

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<v Speaker 2>the basket, gets fouled twice on the play. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>call either foul. They say Maverick's ball, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>Celtics challenge and it's like, well, he got fouled twice,

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<v Speaker 2>but the ball went off him, so the calls overturned.

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<v Speaker 3>So you want to call that a no question foul though,

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<v Speaker 3>like that that's like what I like, That's another one

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<v Speaker 3>of those things.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't really see the clear foul in that.

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<v Speaker 3>You tell them when he threw it out of bounds

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<v Speaker 3>and they and they called it on They called it

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<v Speaker 3>on Boston initially, and then they challenged it overturned it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're if you're I am talking about when Boston

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<v Speaker 2>challenged it, but if you don't think it was clear foul,

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<v Speaker 2>then you're thinking of a different play. It's not. When

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<v Speaker 2>he threw it out of bounds, he was going up

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<v Speaker 2>for a layup. He gets fouled on the arm by

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brown and then fouled on the hand by Drew Holliday.

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<v Speaker 2>The broadcast said when they that about how obvious he

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<v Speaker 2>was fouled twice, so that again, I'm just setting a

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<v Speaker 2>context here. I wish we could pull the video for

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<v Speaker 2>the pod, but he complained every time. So in that instance,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe if he didn't conduct himself the way he normally does.

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<v Speaker 2>If you then go to the refs and say, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I got fouled twice on that and now it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be Celtic's ball, maybe they feel like they owe you one.

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<v Speaker 2>They're never gonna feel like they owe Luca anything, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's on him and the way he treats the refs

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<v Speaker 2>from opening tip to the end of the game, that

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<v Speaker 2>is a fair criticism. Him being hunted defensively is obviously happening.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a fair criticism. I think what we are

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<v Speaker 2>seeing is that there is one guy in league history

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<v Speaker 2>that's been able to have that type of offensive workload

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<v Speaker 2>demand from game one to Game one hundred and still

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<v Speaker 2>be able to go on deep playoff runs and have

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<v Speaker 2>everything left in the tank on both sides of the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one guy, ever, and Luca's not quite in that

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<v Speaker 2>same shape as that guy, And so Luca's fitness is

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<v Speaker 2>a fair critique. The way he lets the refs get

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<v Speaker 2>in his head is a fair critique. And the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that the Celtics were able to hunt him on defense,

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<v Speaker 2>those are all fair critiques. Here's another one. They needed

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<v Speaker 2>him toy for them to beat this team. He's got

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<v Speaker 2>to score thirty five a night. He hasn't done that yet.

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<v Speaker 2>They Kyrie did it last night for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are all fair critiques. I was ready to

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<v Speaker 2>crown Luca the best player in the world. That can't happen, now, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So all of that is legitimate and fair, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is part of the process. And in Wendy's defense, what

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<v Speaker 2>Wendy he was saying more this morning than in that

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<v Speaker 2>clip that's going viral last night, is that he believes

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<v Speaker 2>one day Luca will be a more complete player, will

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<v Speaker 2>be holding the Larry O'Brien and the Finals MVP trophy.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll say I learned from twenty twenty four usually

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<v Speaker 2>about how it goes. I think there were right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Wendy was kind of making some Lebron illusions where Lebron

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<v Speaker 2>talked about learning from twenty eleven. Now that was a

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<v Speaker 2>different circumstance. I don't think people think that Luca's melting

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<v Speaker 2>down the way people think Lebron did in that series.

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<v Speaker 2>So all of those criticisms are fair, okay, But here

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<v Speaker 2>is what also must be said. No matter what you

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<v Speaker 2>think Luca's defensive deficiencies are in that game last night,

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<v Speaker 2>in the thirty eight minutes he played, the Mavericks won

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<v Speaker 2>by nine, and in the ten minutes he sat, they

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<v Speaker 2>lost by sixteen. So whatever you think he takes away defensively,

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<v Speaker 2>which is legitimate, whatever he adds offensively is significant enough

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<v Speaker 2>that even last night, which people are calling the worst

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<v Speaker 2>game of his career, they beat the Celtics handily. In

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<v Speaker 2>the thirty eight minutes he played and got whooped. In

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<v Speaker 2>the ten minutes he didn't. Now that speaks to why

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<v Speaker 2>it is very important that he not foul out and

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<v Speaker 2>why he has to find a way to stay on

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<v Speaker 2>the court. So I think those criticisms are fair, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we will get to the fouling out thing in

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<v Speaker 2>a moment. But it looked demonde like you want wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to say something, So go ahead, Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean you see his his plus minus wow

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<v Speaker 3>while he's on and off the court. I get that,

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, does it does it matter if at

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<v Speaker 3>the end of the day he's still gonna have a

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<v Speaker 3>PC attitude with the refs and make him have an

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<v Speaker 3>extra target on his back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, listen, I think that he needs to mature in

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<v Speaker 2>that regard. I think that he is hurts he at.

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<v Speaker 2>I've told you guys before, and I know that you

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<v Speaker 2>that there is you kind of disagree. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you disagreed with me. But the point I made

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<v Speaker 2>a couple rounds ago, which was Luca's always going to

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<v Speaker 2>have a problem. Up to this point, He's always had

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<v Speaker 2>a problem with the refs. The question is are we

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<v Speaker 2>getting snarling angry Luca or hands up rolling his eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>Woe is me, Luca, because snarling angry Luca is the

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<v Speaker 2>scariest offensive player in the league. Hands up rolling his eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>woe is me. Luca can get in his own way.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think that though those are all fair criticisms,

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<v Speaker 2>now let's talk about him fouling out. I thought the

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<v Speaker 2>fifth and sixth fouls could have gone either way, but

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<v Speaker 2>you can't put yourself in that position for the sixth foul.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought the fifth foul jailing, you could have called

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<v Speaker 2>a hook on Jalen Brown. They didn't, I thought, or

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<v Speaker 2>was it Tatum? I think it was Tatum and the

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<v Speaker 2>sixth foul was a to me a fifty to fifty

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<v Speaker 2>call because Luca's feet weren't set, but there was a

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<v Speaker 2>push off it felt to me. Tell me, if you

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<v Speaker 2>agree to monse As someone who's watching rooting for the Celtics,

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<v Speaker 2>that if they had called that a charge and Boston

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<v Speaker 2>had challenged it, they wouldn't have overturned the charge. They

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<v Speaker 2>called it a block, Dallas challenged it. They didn't overturn

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<v Speaker 2>the block. Do you think that's fair, like that was

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<v Speaker 2>a judgment call that could have gone either way.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think that like with it was very close,

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<v Speaker 3>it's very close to him being set or not set,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't And I think with him having the

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<v Speaker 3>attitude that he has towards the refs, he's not going

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<v Speaker 3>to get that benefit of the doubt. And I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be looking to give you charges if that's how you

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<v Speaker 3>are the whole game before.

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<v Speaker 2>It right, And that that part is fair is that

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to recognize the refs are human and if

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<v Speaker 2>you're abusing them from the opening minute, you're just not

0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.640
<v Speaker 2>going to get the benefit of the doubt on stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And so some of This is kind of a self

0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:37.040
<v Speaker 2>fulfilling prophecy. Luca thinks the refs are out to get him,

0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.920
<v Speaker 2>so he you know, goes after them, and that makes

0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.240
<v Speaker 2>the refs more likely out to get him. So all

0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:46.200
<v Speaker 2>of that. So I'm not making excuses and I'm not

0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.040
<v Speaker 2>blaming the refs. But here is what I want to

0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.080
<v Speaker 2>say about Luca fouling out and the reactions to it.

0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:59.080
<v Speaker 2>You have a player who is an offense unto himself,

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<v Speaker 2>unlike almost any player in league history, whose team is

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<v Speaker 2>in the NBA Finals thanks to him more than anyone

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<v Speaker 2>else by a massive measure, who in a critical championship

0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:30.440
<v Speaker 2>in the balance finals game gets hunted repeatedly, defensively, loses

0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.680
<v Speaker 2>his composure a number of times, and fouls out of

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<v Speaker 2>that game. I just told you about Steph Curry in

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<v Speaker 2>game six of twenty sixteen. Now I also told you

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<v Speaker 2>about Luca. The difference, I guess there is Steph's team

0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.960
<v Speaker 2>was trying to win a championship that game rather than

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<v Speaker 2>stave off elimination, and Luca was whining earlier than Steph was.

0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.720
<v Speaker 2>But Steph did end up culminating with throwing his mouthpiece

0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.240
<v Speaker 2>into the crowd, hitting a fan and his wife saying

0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.280
<v Speaker 2>the league was rigged for ratings or money. She doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>know which. Now, I, once again, trying to be the

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<v Speaker 2>bastion of fairness and consistency, crushed Steph for that crushed him.

0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:30.640
<v Speaker 2>So Luca's gotta get similar heat. But my colleagues did not.

0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Nobody was out here saying this is you know, Steph Curry,

0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.640
<v Speaker 2>and now he had already won a championship, he had

0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:42.200
<v Speaker 2>won two league MVPs. I understand that, but this idea

0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:47.160
<v Speaker 2>that we've never seen something like this, we actually saw

0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:51.480
<v Speaker 2>something exactly like it, very similar. A guy who was

0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:58.880
<v Speaker 2>unimpeachably brilliant offensively, whose weakness on defense can be exploited

0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:03.200
<v Speaker 2>in the playoffs, and smart teams will hunt him getting

0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:09.520
<v Speaker 2>in late foul trouble of a critical finals game, fouling

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<v Speaker 2>out and losing his s. We've seen it. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I push back a little bit on some of

0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the nuclear level Luca takes, because I do think we

0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:34.639
<v Speaker 2>need a bit of a breath and recognize, hey, the

0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:40.920
<v Speaker 2>criticism is warranted. When you are trying to become the

0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.120
<v Speaker 2>best player in the world, you are held to a

0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:50.960
<v Speaker 2>best player in the world standard and you need to overcome,

0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.440
<v Speaker 2>You need to be a plus when your team's only

0:17:54.520 --> 0:18:01.520
<v Speaker 2>expecting an A. All of those things. Also the pendulum

0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:06.479
<v Speaker 2>swinging so far in the other direction. As if Luca

0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:12.600
<v Speaker 2>is the reason the MAVs lost, I reject out of hand.

0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Luca is Kyrie was brilliant last night. Luca is the

0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:22.600
<v Speaker 2>reason they're in this spot now, demonsay, and see from

0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.040
<v Speaker 2>the look on your face and the split screen you

0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.520
<v Speaker 2>disagreed to a degree, which is fine. I think most

0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.040
<v Speaker 2>of the audience probably does.

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<v Speaker 3>So go ahead, Wait what you said that if you

0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.320
<v Speaker 3>can't count that, you can't put this on Luca. This

0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.200
<v Speaker 3>isn't Lucas fault. It was just Lucas fault in that game.

0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:39.040
<v Speaker 4>And then.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is that I feel the pendulum has

0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:51.480
<v Speaker 2>swung in the last twelve hours so far out of whack,

0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:56.320
<v Speaker 2>to where the discussion turned to, Luca is the problem

0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.399
<v Speaker 2>for the maps, Luca is the solution for the maps.

0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Lucas the reason the MAVs are here. This was a

0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:10.240
<v Speaker 2>brutal moment for him, and it was, if we're being honest,

0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.800
<v Speaker 2>a game that the MAVs appeared down two to zero

0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.640
<v Speaker 2>at home to let go of the rope in that

0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:21.560
<v Speaker 2>third quarter, and that's on your leader. That's on like

0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:29.080
<v Speaker 2>that is fair criticism. The hyper ventilating about the about

0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:32.560
<v Speaker 2>him fouling out of the game, as if we've never

0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:37.600
<v Speaker 2>seen that when we saw it in a very famous

0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:41.400
<v Speaker 2>moment in the NBA Finals with a player whose roles

0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:45.840
<v Speaker 2>and responsibilities to his team are very similar to Lucas,

0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:51.879
<v Speaker 2>which is you create our entire offensive system is thanks

0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:55.000
<v Speaker 2>to your one of one talents, and we're going to

0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:59.480
<v Speaker 2>have to hide you defensively. That's where I felt like

0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.680
<v Speaker 2>the criticism was out of whack and so and that's

0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:08.920
<v Speaker 2>what I texted Wendy. Wendy disagrees. I also do want

0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:14.400
<v Speaker 2>to say, I don't there is There aren't three people

0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:19.560
<v Speaker 2>in basketball media that I have more affection and professional

0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:24.399
<v Speaker 2>respect for than Wendy. So I'm not attacking him. I

0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:35.280
<v Speaker 2>just I thought he has such a respected voice that

0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:43.040
<v Speaker 2>if the and he's so rarely goes after anybody, that

0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:47.640
<v Speaker 2>if like, let me use another person, I'll you steven A,

0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.639
<v Speaker 2>another guy that I'm friends with and that I respect.

0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.639
<v Speaker 2>If stephen A had said the exact thing, Wendy said,

0:20:55.320 --> 0:21:00.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it sets the conversation the way it

0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.399
<v Speaker 2>did when Wendy did it, because stephen A says very

0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.880
<v Speaker 2>bombastic if you will things all the time, it's part

0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.640
<v Speaker 2>of the gig. It's just like I do, by the way,

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.280
<v Speaker 2>so it's not a shock at all. I mean, yeah,

0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.400
<v Speaker 2>he's polarizing and he's out of here giving takes because

0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Wendy so rarely crushes somebody when he does. To me,

0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:30.280
<v Speaker 2>it signaled to the whole basketball world, Oh, it is

0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.760
<v Speaker 2>going to be feast on Luca today. And I think

0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:37.359
<v Speaker 2>by the way that I name another guy that I

0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:40.919
<v Speaker 2>have massive respect and affection for. I think Van Pelt

0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:45.040
<v Speaker 2>felt the same way, because Van Pelt later in the

0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:50.280
<v Speaker 2>postgame said, man, I'm still processing Wendy taking a blow

0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:55.080
<v Speaker 2>torch to Luca, and so I thought that was a

0:21:55.200 --> 0:22:00.360
<v Speaker 2>touch too harsh. I smart people can disagree. I thought

0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:04.080
<v Speaker 2>it was a touch too harsh in part because I

0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:11.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't see, yeah, twenty percent of it. When Steph fouled

0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.080
<v Speaker 2>out and the Warriors were in the midst of losing

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.439
<v Speaker 2>the three to one lead, I didn't see that. So

0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:20.320
<v Speaker 2>that's where I fall on the Lucas stuff go out, I.

0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:22.240
<v Speaker 4>Think it was like a sound of the alarm type

0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:22.560
<v Speaker 4>of thing.

0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:25.560
<v Speaker 3>I think Whendhorse coming out and saying that was just

0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.720
<v Speaker 3>speaks to how dire the situation is. I do think

0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 3>that Curry and Luca are in a little bit different situations,

0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.520
<v Speaker 3>being that Curry had already been there, when he had

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 3>already done it, Luca hasn't, and it's just like you're

0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:40.600
<v Speaker 3>finally here and that stuff has got.

0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:42.520
<v Speaker 4>To go out of the window. I think it's just

0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:44.840
<v Speaker 4>it's like that kind of sounding a lot.

0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Of times that so that demands is a great take,

0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:56.760
<v Speaker 2>it's a fair take. I think it's how most people feel.

0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:01.919
<v Speaker 2>It's it is level headed, legitimate. I think that is

0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:08.119
<v Speaker 2>and there is this is where track record matters, that

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:13.919
<v Speaker 2>that moment for Steph felt totally aberrant. It felt like

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:18.919
<v Speaker 2>what is happened? It felt like a one off meltdown,

0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.080
<v Speaker 2>even though he did then the next year fling his

0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.119
<v Speaker 2>mouthpiece into the crowd again, but he hadn't done it

0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 2>up to that point in his career, and he had

0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:33.119
<v Speaker 2>track record matters, and he had earned such massive goodwill,

0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:37.200
<v Speaker 2>and he already was a champion, So you couldn't have

0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:40.480
<v Speaker 2>the take Steph Curry's defense is gonna stop you from

0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:46.360
<v Speaker 2>winning a championship? That my My pushback is really twofold.

0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.200
<v Speaker 2>One is I just think it was a little too

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:54.719
<v Speaker 2>harsh the general Luca conversation today and last night. And

0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:59.359
<v Speaker 2>the other one is the idea that, oh, with Luca

0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:02.159
<v Speaker 2>playing defense like this, the MAVs can't win a title.

0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 2>That I think that he should be better. I think

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.560
<v Speaker 2>at twenty five, you're supposed to get better across the board,

0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:13.480
<v Speaker 2>like he's not a finished product. I think all that's true,

0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 2>But I also think the MAVs can win a title

0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 2>with his defense as it is. I think last night,

0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that other guys have to pick him up

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:29.720
<v Speaker 2>because of what his deficiencies are. But the idea that

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.560
<v Speaker 2>he and last night. The reason I brought up the

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:36.520
<v Speaker 2>plus minus is people can show me as many clips

0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:38.919
<v Speaker 2>as they want of Sam, of him losing Sam Hauser,

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 2>him losing Jalen Brown, of all of it. The fact

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.440
<v Speaker 2>of the matter is this, even in that game, which

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:49.400
<v Speaker 2>was one of the worst defensive performances he's had all postseason,

0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:53.080
<v Speaker 2>when he was on the court, they won those minutes. Now,

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 2>let me also be fair in this regard for you

0:24:56.080 --> 0:25:05.639
<v Speaker 2>move on getting joh ten percent better defensively, twenty percent

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:16.440
<v Speaker 2>better defensively, in my opinion, is what moved Joker from

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 2>a great offensive player who I was not comfortable calling

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:22.639
<v Speaker 2>the best player in the world to best player in

0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:27.199
<v Speaker 2>the world. And I thought one of the reasons the

0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Nuggets didn't end up in the finals this year was

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 2>he slipped a little defensively, and so that it is

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:39.880
<v Speaker 2>fair to say Luca needs to do the same thing.

0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 2>And it is fair to say that Jokers plus minus

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:47.280
<v Speaker 2>was always great and he was still subject to criticism.

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm not arguing Lucas shouldn't be criticized. I'm not arguing

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:56.920
<v Speaker 2>he played well yesterday. I am arguing that I think

0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:59.440
<v Speaker 2>it's been in the last twelve.

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 4>Miles gonna lose this series. Like that's what you're.

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Correct, correct, and so like that is that is the

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 2>part of it that is frustrating me. The the Bill

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 2>James quote that I always go to and sometimes I

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 2>get this because to who much is given, much is

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 2>expected the best player. Let me see if I can

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 2>find the quote the Bill James. Let me see Bill

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 2>James blame best player, worst teams. So I can't find it.

0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:36.720
<v Speaker 2>The I think it's the Bill. I think it's Bill

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 2>James who said it. But regardless, the quote is bad

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 2>teams have an uncanny ability to blame their best players

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:50.680
<v Speaker 2>for their biggest problems. Now, obviously the MAVs aren't a

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 2>bad team, and that's I'm kind of mixing metaphors there

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:57.960
<v Speaker 2>because I think the MAVs are necessarily blaming Luca. But

0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 2>I to the day is going to be across sports

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:08.680
<v Speaker 2>media annihilate Luka Doncic today, it just is there. Today

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.560
<v Speaker 2>is going to be a if you're trying to win

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a championship, here is the list of players you would

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:20.679
<v Speaker 2>rather have. And if you make that list and you

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 2>have more than two people on it, I think you're

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:27.440
<v Speaker 2>being disingenuous. If you want to say you're trying to

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:31.160
<v Speaker 2>win a championship you'd rather have Joker, Sure, And if

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 2>you want to include Giannis, no problem. But if all

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden we go from one game of what's

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>wrong with Jason Tatum to actually Jason Tatum is better

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 2>than Luca, we've gone too far and so like, So

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 2>that's just kind of what I'm pushing against. So there's

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.439
<v Speaker 2>the Luca part of it. Now demands let's get to

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:54.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, the team that actually won the game.

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so on the other side, the Celtics. They are

0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 3>in a commanding three to zero lead at this point.

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 3>Nobody's impressed with the Celtics. Everybody's saying this route has

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 3>been easy, and they are They're a game away from

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:09.919
<v Speaker 3>being twenty to two in the playoffs. Why is nobody

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 3>impressed with what the Celtics are doing right now besides me?

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 2>So I think that's a straw man. I think people

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 2>are very impressed by their finals performance and we don't

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 2>have to relitigate their path to the finals. But in

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:29.119
<v Speaker 2>these finals, and as I've said all year yet, no

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.359
<v Speaker 2>one is going to care about the path if they

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 2>win the title, and if they they're going to end

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 2>up demanse pardon me, if they finish the sweep with

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 2>some gaudy records, undefeated on the road. Sweet. I don't

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 2>think any team ever has swept the conference and the

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 2>NBA finals and they are they're going to finish the year.

0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 2>What were they They were.

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Sixty they were sixty four and eighteen.

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Sixty four and eighteen, thank you, So they might end

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 2>up demons eighty and twenty. I mean, that is that's

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 2>all time. That is all time.

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 3>And the Warriors that year, that they did the that

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 3>they they went like seventy two, and what.

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Was it, They went seventy they went seventy three, and

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 2>they win seventy three and nine. But what hurt them

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>was they lost the championship to Lebron. They didn't finish it.

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 2>The MJ's Bulls in ninety six went seventy two and ten,

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 2>and then how many playoff games did they lose? I'll

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 2>look that up, like this is going to be on

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 2>the very short list. In ninety six, I know, the

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 2>finals went six games. The Bulls lost three total playoff games,

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 2>so they won. They were fifteen and three in the playoffs,

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 2>seventy two and ten in their regular seasons, so that

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 2>team ended up being eighty seven and thirteen. Pretty unbelievable.

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 2>The next year, by the way, that Bulls team ended

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 2>up being they were sixty nine and thirteen in the

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 2>regular season and then lost four games in the playoffs,

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 2>so that team was eighty four and seventeen. So it's

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 2>that the record and the metrics are going to say

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 2>this is an all time team. We can get to

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 2>that part in a second. First, let me give them

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 2>their flowers. I actually think the maps. So here's the

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 2>other thing that I find so interesting about the Luca

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 2>conversation and the conversation of this series. The MAVs are

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 2>not losing because of their defense. They're just not will

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 2>you can show me as many clips as you want.

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 2>The fact of the matter is, if going into these

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 2>finals you had told Jason Kidd the Celtics are gonna

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 2>score one oh seven, one oh five, one oh six,

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 2>he would say, sign me up for it. The Celtics

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 2>offense because they haven't had that red hot from three game, like,

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, shooting for forty attempts. The because they haven't

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 2>had until last night, the simultaneous Tatum and Brown scoring

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:23.760
<v Speaker 2>explosion game. And when they got it last night, they

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 2>were They didn't really get help from the other guys.

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 2>The Celtics offense has just been okay despite whatever issues

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 2>the MAVs defense has. The reason the Celtics are in

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>this position is the Celtics defense, their scheme, and their

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 2>personnel has been legendary, and that must be credit must

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 2>be given. You. You forced Kyrie Irving into two impossibly

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 2>bad games. You frustrate did Luca enough last night to

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:06.720
<v Speaker 2>where you're up twenty and he's pressing in the fourth

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 2>quarter and the Celtics defensive personnel last night without Christaps,

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the MAVs were up twenty five to twelve,

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 2>and then the Celtics were up twenty one. So in

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 2>a basically a two and a half quarter span, the

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Celtics out what's that? So they were up thirteen. They

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 2>had a thirty four point turnaround. I mean that it

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 2>was a seventy nine to forty five run, if you will,

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 2>in the middle middle of this game. They held the

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 2>MAVs last night. How many points did the MAVs have

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 2>at halftime? The MAVs at halftime had fifty one, So

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 2>they held the MAVs last night to fifty one in

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 2>the first half, nineteen in the third quarter, which is

0:32:56.920 --> 0:33:00.719
<v Speaker 2>when the game was decided, and then the obviously went

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 2>on that little run. But you have held the MAVs

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 2>under one hundred every game these playoffs. Like, I'm gonna

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 2>try to look this up very quickly. I should have

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 2>looked it up before, but this is where I'm trying

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 2>to give Boston credit because they deserve it. Did the

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 2>MAVs have three straight games under one hundred points all

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 2>year going into this. I'm looking it up right now,

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 2>so this is all right, So this is pretty remarkable.

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 2>All right. If you remove the final two games of

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 2>the year, and I'm doing this in real time, if

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 2>you remove the final two games of the year when

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 2>the MAVs rested everybody, they scored less than one hundred

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 2>points one two, three, four, five five times all season

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 2>in the regular season. In the playoffs, well there's a yeah.

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean there's a one forty seven yeah. In the playoffs.

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 2>The MAVs going into this series had been held under

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:21.840
<v Speaker 2>one hundred four times back to back once. So going

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:26.399
<v Speaker 2>into the NBA Finals, the Dallas Mavericks had been held

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 2>under one hundred. Again, let's just throw out the final

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.320
<v Speaker 2>two games of the year when they were resting everybody.

0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 2>They had been held under one hundred going into the

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 2>playoffs five times. Going into the finals, you include the playoffs,

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 2>they've been held under one hundred nine times back to

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 2>back once the first two games of the Clippers series

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 2>and they actually won game two. And they have now

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 2>been held under one hundred three straight games. Dusty just

0:34:55.560 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 2>texted me, first time three straight under one hundred since

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 2>December of twenty one, and I'm without knowing I'm gonna

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and check and see was Luca even playing?

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? Like, was he was in

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 2>that stretch? Was was Luca active in December of twenty one?

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 2>And the answer to that question is, like I thought, no, So, Dusty,

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 2>if you're watching for the first thing's first studio, has

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Luca ever in his career been held on his team

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 2>been held under one hundred points in three straight games

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 2>that he played in. My guess is no. So that's

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>where the Celtics defense deserves all the credit in the world.

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 2>That was not the script I saw coming into this series.

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 2>I obviously was wrong about this series. That's undeniable. I

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 2>obviously undersold the Celtics. That's undeniable. I'm just you know

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.799
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, I was wrong, and I'm that there's

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.839
<v Speaker 2>no yeah butts about it. They won yesterday without Chris

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 2>STAPs and by the way, good thing they did, because

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's playing again in this playoffs. And

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 2>if they had lost that game, particularly, it'd be one

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 2>thing if they had lost it because the MAVs just

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 2>crushed them, But if they had blown that twenty one

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 2>point lead, then we are having and they don't like

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>now we're having a whole different conversation. But they didn't.

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 2>They held on, They kept their composure when it looked

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:37.280
<v Speaker 2>like it could go a totally another way. And now

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 2>they're a game away from being champions. And I would

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:46.360
<v Speaker 2>guess I don't know this for certain, but I would

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:50.760
<v Speaker 2>guess this is the first time in Luca's career he's

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 2>played in three straight games where the team didn't score

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 2>one hundred points. You can now ask the question about history,

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:58.360
<v Speaker 2>de monsay, unless there's something else you want to ask me.

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, do you think that it's time to start considering

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:02.839
<v Speaker 3>Boston a historically great team?

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 2>No, I do think they had a historically great season.

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 2>And folks can say that I am that. This is

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 2>the data says, and Dusty just texts me, it's never

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>happened that Luke has played in three straight games where

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:29.720
<v Speaker 2>his team didn't score one hundred points. It's never happened.

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Then it happened in the first three finals games. Yeah,

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 2>the margin of victory. The record says, this is one

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 2>of the greatest teams ever. And if you want to

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:47.879
<v Speaker 2>the metaphorical, you not you Demanse want to say, well,

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 2>then they are guys, then they are I understand. I disagree.

0:37:55.920 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>And my argument is that pretty simple, simple one, and

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 2>people gonna say it's caveman thinking, But to be a

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 2>historically great team in this sport, you've gotta have There

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:16.359
<v Speaker 2>were too many of the historically great teams that had

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 2>historically great players.

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:23.479
<v Speaker 3>And if we just want to do that, you gonna

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 3>you're saying it could end up like the Nugget situation,

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 3>since we don't have the greatest player.

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:29.720
<v Speaker 4>In the NBA.

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 2>No, the Nuggets might have No, the Nuggets have Jokic.

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:38.279
<v Speaker 2>I think it's probably more comparable to the Eight Celtics

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 2>or the four Pistons, which were great teams, but not

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:48.279
<v Speaker 2>historically great teams. When and again, I guess what when

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:52.360
<v Speaker 2>we say historically great, if we're opening the purview to

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, there have been seventy five champions, Is this

0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:01.919
<v Speaker 2>one of the twenty five best champions? Sure? And even

0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 2>though some teams they'd be ahead of don't have the

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:10.840
<v Speaker 2>resume or have have better individual you know, superstars. Sure,

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 2>but when we're talking about the greatest teams of all time,

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 2>just off the top of my head, if we are

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 2>just going through the last since nineteen eighty, right, you've

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try to do this kind of in order,

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 2>so to speak, the eighty three six Ers, the eighty

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 2>six Celtics, pick your favorite showtime Lakers team. I think

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.799
<v Speaker 2>there were at least two Bulls teams better than this

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Celtics team with Michael the one Lakers, the twenty thirteen Heat,

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 2>the twenty seventeen and eighteen Warriors. Like now, we're up

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.319
<v Speaker 2>to no teams just off the top of my head.

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 2>So I think all of those teams were better than

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:11.640
<v Speaker 2>this team. But there is no yeah but about a championship.

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 2>And I will not abide folks who try to retroactively say, well,

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:23.400
<v Speaker 2>their path in the East was easy. That part's correct,

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 2>and their path in the finals was easy. They are

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:33.400
<v Speaker 2>making it look easy. But the MAVs were playing unbelievable

0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:35.920
<v Speaker 2>basketball with a guy who looked like he was poised

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 2>to become the best player in the world. So I

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:42.799
<v Speaker 2>don't think that this is an easy finals. They are

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 2>making it look easy and so.

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:46.799
<v Speaker 4>That.

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think that if we are making a

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:57.359
<v Speaker 2>list of the ten greatest teams in NBA history, that

0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 2>you spend much time considering this Celtics. I just don't.

0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Now you mentioned the Nuggets demanse Okay, I feel the

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:13.200
<v Speaker 2>same way about last year's Nuggets. If the Nuggets had

0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:18.240
<v Speaker 2>then won the title this year ripped off like three

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 2>and four years, then you're like, well, damn, I guess

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 2>they you know what I mean, retroactively, I guess they were.

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:30.799
<v Speaker 2>It's a similar boat the Celtics are in. If we're

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna end up thinking of this Celtics team as good

0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:39.719
<v Speaker 2>as their record is historically speaking, then it's going the

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 2>title defense and everything that comes next plays a piece

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 2>of it, especially because they bring everybody back. They've got

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 2>this whole team locked for next year, so we'll get

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 2>to see it. I don't think that's unfair. I don't

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 2>think that is a double standard.

0:41:55.920 --> 0:42:01.279
<v Speaker 3>You go ahead, that was that's nice, that's nice. I

0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 3>didn't know the full team coming back next year is awesome.

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 2>But oh, you didn't know that they had everyone under contract. Yeah,

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:11.880
<v Speaker 2>they have everyone under contract for next year, all five stars.

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:17.480
<v Speaker 2>That yeah, But that's similar to the Nuggets, right, That's

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:19.439
<v Speaker 2>similar to the Nuggets where they had all five stars

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:23.279
<v Speaker 2>coming back. Nuggets lost Bruce, they lost Bruce Brown well,

0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:26.800
<v Speaker 2>and so and I think here's the thing. Maybe I'm wrong.

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 2>I could out if they win the title, could Al

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:38.959
<v Speaker 2>Horford retire maybe? I mean he's old, Uh, he does

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:42.480
<v Speaker 2>have he has one year left on his contract though,

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:44.240
<v Speaker 2>so I mean they don't have to worry about losing

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:47.479
<v Speaker 2>him to free agency, but he could retire. But yeah,

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of their Bruce Brown version of it. Go ahead,

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:52.280
<v Speaker 2>de Monte.

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 3>So do you think, like, so you're saying that this

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:56.759
<v Speaker 3>they're not historically great now, but if they do come

0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 3>back next year and win it, is that what you

0:42:58.200 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 3>were just kind of saying.

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well then yes, I mean then you start to

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 2>re examine, you know what I mean. Then you start

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 2>to say, like, just like the Four Pistons, that this

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>is I know, you don't know this, and a lot

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:18.279
<v Speaker 2>of the audience probably doesn't know it. The Four Pistons

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 2>are considered, uh, unbelievable team that you know, shocked, shocking

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Kobe's last year together. The Lakers won that finals with

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:37.799
<v Speaker 2>ease in five games, but they're not considered a historically

0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 2>great team. The very next year to Monsey, they lost

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 2>in the NBA Finals in Game seven. The next year,

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:52.640
<v Speaker 2>they lost in the conference finals. The next year, they

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:55.800
<v Speaker 2>lost in the conference finals. The next year they lost

0:43:55.800 --> 0:44:00.319
<v Speaker 2>in the conference finals. So that four Pistons team made

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 2>the conference finals in three, then won the championship the

0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:09.719
<v Speaker 2>next year, lost in seven in heartbreaking fashion to the Spurs,

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 2>and then made one, two, three more conference finals in

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 2>a row and never broke through. So here's my point.

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:23.720
<v Speaker 2>If that O five Pistons team had won the title,

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.759
<v Speaker 2>then I think people might look back on that four

0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Pistons team and say, man, maybe they were better than

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 2>we thought, you know what, I and so. But because

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 2>they didn't, and even though they were still really good

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 2>year after year after year, they were just banging on

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:44.160
<v Speaker 2>the door like they they never quite got into that

0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 2>all time team room. Now, they didn't have the regular

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:50.840
<v Speaker 2>season the Celtics did, and they didn't have this dominant

0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:55.400
<v Speaker 2>of a postseason that the Celtics did. So take that

0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:58.240
<v Speaker 2>for what you will. All right, Demansey, what's a finals

0:44:58.320 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 2>MVP question before we move on?

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a couple because I want to talk to the

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:03.759
<v Speaker 3>Joel Embiid thing as well. But yeah, do you think

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:06.160
<v Speaker 3>Jalen is finals MVP or Drew? Who do you think

0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:06.480
<v Speaker 3>is in that?

0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:09.240
<v Speaker 2>And I think right now it's jailing with a bullet.

0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 2>I think right now it's clearly Jalen, and my money

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 2>would be on jail and winning it, because I don't

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 2>think Drew's going to have this massive offensive explosion he was.

0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:21.240
<v Speaker 3>He was taking a little bit of too many shots,

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:23.920
<v Speaker 3>like too at the game of the game, he was

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 3>doing a little bit.

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.359
<v Speaker 4>I was like, and listen.

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:31.360
<v Speaker 2>And Tatum, I mean, Tatum took a bunch of shots

0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and obvious.

0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 3>At least three three three three three three step back

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 3>in eight step back three.

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:36.759
<v Speaker 4>Ye.

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And so but listen, he's I mean, he scored thirty.

0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:43.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm not crushing him for it, but I think right now,

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 2>I think it's Jalen's MVP to lose for sure. All right,

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 2>you want to talk Joel and bid?

0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:48.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 3>So Joel Embiid used his extensive playoff experience to chime

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.839
<v Speaker 3>in on what's going on. He tweeted, did the Bucks?

0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:03.400
<v Speaker 3>Did the Bucks give them the championship? Is refer instance Celtics? So, uh,

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 3>do you what do you think about that?

0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:05.799
<v Speaker 1>Like?

0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:07.839
<v Speaker 2>What do you think about it?

0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:10.840
<v Speaker 3>You wanted to I don't know why Joel e Bead's

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:15.879
<v Speaker 3>talking about the championship, and I think that he's gonna say, like, oh,

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:17.719
<v Speaker 3>did the Bucks give it to him? The last time

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:21.040
<v Speaker 3>the Celtics played the Bucks, they beat him in the

0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Game seven, and the Bucks had Drew Holiday, Am I

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 3>or am I? Am I wrong about?

0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:25.359
<v Speaker 4>Yes?

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 2>They have?

0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:28.759
<v Speaker 3>And you expected that the Bucks were going to beat

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:31.080
<v Speaker 3>the Celtics. It's just like, Joe, just stay home and

0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 3>enjoy your vacation, dude.

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:35.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I don't think he was saying the Bucks

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:36.799
<v Speaker 2>were going to beat the Celtics. What I think he

0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 2>was saying is.

0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 4>They're going to wear him down.

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:41.280
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no. I don't even think he was looking

0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:44.040
<v Speaker 2>at it as the Bucks versus the Celtics. I think

0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:46.760
<v Speaker 2>he was saying, and I don't think this is actually

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 2>a bad take, that the final piece for Boston was

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 2>made available.

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:59.320
<v Speaker 4>Yes, And I was just like using that to yes, yeah, yeah.

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:02.399
<v Speaker 2>I know that's that fair. I was like, oh, I

0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>was like, you're so close to seeing what he's saying,

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:07.400
<v Speaker 2>but you didn't. And then you mentioned Drew Holliday but

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 2>you didn't quite get there. What he's saying is the

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Bucks feeling that we have to get Dame was the

0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:19.280
<v Speaker 2>dominance that allowed the Celtics to get.

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:22.359
<v Speaker 3>Drew, which was all so still to this day kind

0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 3>of blame you, honest for but go ahead.

0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fair. I mean that. I mean they did

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.239
<v Speaker 2>that because they were afraid Giannis was going to say

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:36.560
<v Speaker 2>I want to leave. So they made a impulsive move

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:39.719
<v Speaker 2>to try to up because Drew had not been good

0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 2>offensively in the playoffs with Milwaukee, even when they won

0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:45.520
<v Speaker 2>the title, he wasn't good offensively. They thought they needed

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 2>more in that spot. They were worried about Chris Middleton's

0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:53.160
<v Speaker 2>deteriorating health, so they made a move. But would I

0:47:53.160 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 2>I guess, the question asked Celtics. Well, there's that question.

0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:05.240
<v Speaker 2>The other question is this, would the Bucks have made

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:10.360
<v Speaker 2>that Dame trade if they knew Drew was gonna end

0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:14.319
<v Speaker 2>up on Boss? I think the answer that's no, you

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, I don't think they would have

0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:21.520
<v Speaker 2>done it if they knew that. And so I.

0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:23.440
<v Speaker 4>I don't think that type of stuff happens.

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:25.560
<v Speaker 3>I love that type of stuff, like, sorry, you shot

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:27.960
<v Speaker 3>yourself in the foot, You shouldn't have done it.

0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, that's a that Well, so there was in

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:39.239
<v Speaker 2>a much, you know, much much smaller stakes. The Thunder

0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:44.759
<v Speaker 2>made two moves on draft Day and then at the

0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:50.280
<v Speaker 2>trade deadline that allowed the MAVs to get Derek Lively

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:55.760
<v Speaker 2>and Daniel Gafford, and then those two guys were huge

0:48:55.800 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 2>reasons why the MAVs beat the thunder So it was like, like, oh,

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:03.640
<v Speaker 2>you helped us get those guys, and now those guys

0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:07.400
<v Speaker 2>are beating you. This is again, it's not the finals,

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 2>and it's different stakes, all of it. But yeah, I mean,

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:15.160
<v Speaker 2>this was It's so the reason I liked Embiid's tweet

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:19.600
<v Speaker 2>is I said it on first things first, after Game one,

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.480
<v Speaker 2>I have, you know, I keep all my folders that

0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 2>I write all my notes on. I wrote, literally, I

0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:27.799
<v Speaker 2>should take a picture of it and tweet it out

0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:33.799
<v Speaker 2>Later today I wrote something along the lines of do

0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:36.720
<v Speaker 2>the Bucks does someone in the Bucks front office deserve

0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:40.279
<v Speaker 2>a ring if the Celtics win the title? And so,

0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean I and Drew's been so good for him,

0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:47.000
<v Speaker 2>so good for him, and yeah, so that's what Embiid

0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:49.680
<v Speaker 2>was talking about. So it's not a bad sports take.

0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:52.760
<v Speaker 2>You just might not want to hear it from Joel Embiid.

0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, not hear from Joel Embiid, especially in the

0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 3>context that I was thinking of it. But now, like

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:02.439
<v Speaker 3>I understand, okay, all right, let's do let's do Aaron

0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:06.359
<v Speaker 3>Rodgers quickly. Yeah, so Aaron Rodgers' sets is still miss

0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:09.279
<v Speaker 3>mini camp. No one's coming out and saying what the

0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:12.480
<v Speaker 3>actual event is that he's attending. But yeah, so we

0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:14.920
<v Speaker 3>know where you stand on this guy. The rest of

0:50:14.960 --> 0:50:17.239
<v Speaker 3>the media, a lot of other media members are saying

0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:19.319
<v Speaker 3>that this isn't a big deal considering where it is

0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:22.719
<v Speaker 3>in the point of the year. So so, yeah, where

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:24.040
<v Speaker 3>where do you stand on it?

0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:24.319
<v Speaker 4>Now?

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:27.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean.

0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Everyone else is at their mini camp. He isn't he.

0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm not I the the I And by the way,

0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Colin reported he's on vacation. Colin said, he's on an

0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:53.719
<v Speaker 2>international vacation. And so listen, I don't I have Like

0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:59.640
<v Speaker 2>you said, people know where I stand, and I've talked

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 2>about this a lot on TV, and today's an NBA

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Finals day, so I don't really want to and we've

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:09.520
<v Speaker 2>gone We're gonna maybe set our record for longest day

0:51:09.520 --> 0:51:15.800
<v Speaker 2>block ever. The guy's a phony and I'm not gonna

0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:21.640
<v Speaker 2>dance around it anymore. He's an absolute phony. He is

0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:28.080
<v Speaker 2>the worst type of leader anyone can have in any organization,

0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:35.120
<v Speaker 2>which is the self righteous, preachy get the bullshout out

0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:37.080
<v Speaker 2>of the building that doesn't have to do with winning.

0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 2>We are locked in. We're doing all this. By the way,

0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm flirting with being the vice president. And also I

0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:51.040
<v Speaker 2>just can't you know, I can't afford the flight switch

0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:57.000
<v Speaker 2>fee to move around my trip stop it and to

0:51:57.360 --> 0:52:02.279
<v Speaker 2>have the the the idea. So here is here is

0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:05.520
<v Speaker 2>one thing that I will say. And every time I

0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:10.120
<v Speaker 2>tweet about this or I post a clip, it's just

0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:16.840
<v Speaker 2>these morons in my mentions being like you must be

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 2>on your fourteenth booster, guys, I could be the biggest

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:33.040
<v Speaker 2>anti VACS conspiracy theorist RFK junior tattoo. And still think

0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers, the quarterback leader of the Jets, is a charlatan.

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:46.360
<v Speaker 2>The idea that it is almost become because he was

0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:51.240
<v Speaker 2>criticized for non football things that now folks are trying

0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:57.000
<v Speaker 2>to pretend all of the criticism about football things are

0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:01.200
<v Speaker 2>related to that. There are thirty two starting quarterbacks in

0:53:01.280 --> 0:53:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the NFL. How many of them are unexcused missing mini

0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:13.000
<v Speaker 2>camp one last year it was zero, the year before

0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:16.799
<v Speaker 2>it was zero, the year before that it was one.

0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Any guests on who it was Aaron Rodgers, So don't

0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 2>tell me that this. In the last four off seasons,

0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:30.400
<v Speaker 2>there has been one. There have been two times what's

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:34.080
<v Speaker 2>thirty two times four one hundred and twenty eight. There

0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:38.160
<v Speaker 2>have been one hundred and twenty eight possible instances of

0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:44.000
<v Speaker 2>a starting quarterback being fined for missing mandatory mini camp.

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:48.279
<v Speaker 2>The whole world is one hundred and twenty six, one

0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty four and oher on not being fined

0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers is five hundred. He's two and two, and

0:53:56.560 --> 0:53:59.800
<v Speaker 2>so that is that's just objective fact.

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:05.200
<v Speaker 3>And here go ahead, Demonse, go Yeah, I was probably

0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:06.520
<v Speaker 3>the last person you want to hear. But on the

0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:09.280
<v Speaker 3>other side of it, he did just like Terror's Achilles

0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:12.880
<v Speaker 3>last year, and he's like super he's old, and you

0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:15.920
<v Speaker 3>know that his offensive line might have problems. It probably

0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:20.520
<v Speaker 3>isn't his best interest to begetting the most activity going

0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:23.560
<v Speaker 3>on that he possibly can be getty, Like I could

0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:25.600
<v Speaker 3>see if I feel like if he didn't just Terror's

0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:28.919
<v Speaker 3>Achilles last year, it'd almost be a little bit more excusable.

0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:34.680
<v Speaker 2>But oh, you're saying, because he missed so much time

0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:37.400
<v Speaker 2>he needs the practice or he doesn't need the practice.

0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:39.680
<v Speaker 3>No, he probably need like needs it, like to get

0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:42.120
<v Speaker 3>physically back. He missed the whole football season last year.

0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they have a new offensive line and they

0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:52.359
<v Speaker 2>have they added receivers. They yes, they need to get

0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:58.240
<v Speaker 2>on the same page. Here is. And also they won't

0:54:58.280 --> 0:55:01.719
<v Speaker 2>say where he is. It's all of it is just

0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:09.000
<v Speaker 2>so it's just so embarrassing. So here is. So people

0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:16.120
<v Speaker 2>are wondering why the Jets didn't let people know this

0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:21.120
<v Speaker 2>was happening a month ago. So and by people, it's

0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:25.200
<v Speaker 2>not just the media. Tyrod Taylor didn't know it. That's

0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:28.399
<v Speaker 2>the other thing. Aaron's teammates did not know he wasn't

0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:32.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna be there until he wasn't there. I'll say that again.

0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Aaron's teammates did not know he wasn't gonna be there

0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:40.960
<v Speaker 2>until he wasn't there. And so people are wondering, since

0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Aaron was there for all of the optional stuff this offseason,

0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:49.040
<v Speaker 2>why the Jets didn't handle this from a pr perspective better,

0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:55.799
<v Speaker 2>which was six weeks ago. Have as an aside during

0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 2>a press conference, when you're singing Aaron's praises about him

0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:03.800
<v Speaker 2>being there, just say, and you know, we're really glad

0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:05.799
<v Speaker 2>he's here because you know, we know he can't be

0:56:05.880 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 2>at mini camp and blah blah blah. And then at

0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:11.000
<v Speaker 2>some point, someone follows up and they're like, wait, did

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:13.600
<v Speaker 2>you say he's not gonna be at Mini camp? Be like, yeah,

0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about it. We know it's not a big deal.

0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:18.120
<v Speaker 2>He's got something going on, and then it's not a

0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:21.760
<v Speaker 2>story the first day of Mini camp. So why didn't

0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:27.200
<v Speaker 2>the Jets do that? Everyone is assigning just raw incompetence

0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:31.640
<v Speaker 2>to that decision, and it's the Jets, so raw incompetence

0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:36.720
<v Speaker 2>is always on the board. That's not my theory. Here's

0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.960
<v Speaker 2>my theory to Monsey. I haven't heard anyone else say this,

0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:44.160
<v Speaker 2>but to me, it's so clearly what happened. Why didn't

0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:47.200
<v Speaker 2>the Jets let the media know? Why didn't they let

0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:54.360
<v Speaker 2>his teammates knowing? No, No, that's not it. I believe

0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 2>they knew. I don't think that. I mean, that's possible.

0:56:57.080 --> 0:56:59.720
<v Speaker 2>I guess that they're lying that they've known for months,

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 2>But I believe they knew. Here's my theory. They were

0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:10.479
<v Speaker 2>hoping he'd change his mind. They were hoping that at

0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:16.600
<v Speaker 2>some point he would be like, hmmm, international vacation or

0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:19.760
<v Speaker 2>the only two days I'm required to be in this

0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:24.120
<v Speaker 2>building in a three month stretch, we can you know

0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:28.360
<v Speaker 2>what I've made the most money of anyone in the

0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:32.360
<v Speaker 2>history of professional football. I can move some flights around.

0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:38.960
<v Speaker 2>They were hoping that, and again raw speculation. My guess

0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:41.280
<v Speaker 2>is the last day of the OTAs there was a

0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:44.919
<v Speaker 2>bit of a you know, hope to see on Tuesday Arin.

0:57:45.760 --> 0:57:50.600
<v Speaker 2>It's like, ah, like, maybe he'll surprise us. The other

0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:54.000
<v Speaker 2>option is they're just totally incompetent in all phases. I

0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:58.600
<v Speaker 2>think they were hoping he'd change his mind because objected,

0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:04.200
<v Speaker 2>and someone would the Jets is pissed, someone important with

0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:08.320
<v Speaker 2>the Jets is pissed, or else they call it excused.

0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:13.800
<v Speaker 2>They simply say he's excused, and this idea, well, they

0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:16.800
<v Speaker 2>can't say he's excused because then they have to excuse

0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:20.360
<v Speaker 2>the Sonrettic. No, they don't. And the other thing is

0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 2>they could just excuse a Sonretic, but a Sonrettic. I mean,

0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:27.840
<v Speaker 2>this is the incompetence. The Eagles traded a Sonretic because

0:58:27.880 --> 0:58:29.880
<v Speaker 2>he wanted a new contract they didn't want to give him.

0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:35.440
<v Speaker 2>The Jets traded for him without getting the Sonretic stuff

0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:39.520
<v Speaker 2>locked in. It's just so he's upset didn't have a deal.

0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:43.360
<v Speaker 2>So that's my theory. My other theory is a very

0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:47.520
<v Speaker 2>simple one, which is when Aaron does talk about this,

0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:53.080
<v Speaker 2>he will be sanctimonious. He will not so subtly scold

0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Robert Salah like, well, yeah, you know, I don't you know,

0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:00.320
<v Speaker 2>we had talked about it, so I don't know why

0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:03.120
<v Speaker 2>it was, you know, made quite the deal it was.

0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:06.920
<v Speaker 2>And then he will just talk about the fake news

0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:10.080
<v Speaker 2>media and everyone making a big deal out of nothing

0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:15.400
<v Speaker 2>because the guys in Peru or Portugal or wherever the

0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:21.200
<v Speaker 2>hell he is. It's just so embarrassing. Quick break right

0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:24.360
<v Speaker 2>back after a one hour long a block What's Right?

0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back in What's Right? With Nick Wright, episode two

0:59:34.200 --> 0:59:38.680
<v Speaker 2>forty four on what is almost Celtic's coronation Day not

0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:44.640
<v Speaker 2>quite demands some somber news. Yesterday in the sports world,

0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:46.360
<v Speaker 2>let's get to it. Go ahead.

0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so yesterday the logo Jerry West passed away at

0:59:49.840 --> 0:59:52.200
<v Speaker 3>the age of eighty six, and we had actually just

0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:55.560
<v Speaker 3>touched base on Jerry West, I think the episode before, and.

0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:57.920
<v Speaker 4>He said, over the last sixty years, he's one of the.

0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:01.080
<v Speaker 3>Most impactful players in the sport. Uh, could you ever

1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:02.640
<v Speaker 3>imagine an NBA without him?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? No, I mean so, so here's the thing we

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<v Speaker 2>in order to properly eulogize Jerry West, we'd probably need

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<v Speaker 2>to do a whole episode one of the I was

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<v Speaker 2>really really happy. Happy is obviously the wrong word when

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<v Speaker 2>I heard he passed. You're obviously very sad, but I

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<v Speaker 2>was happy that we had just impromptu talked about him

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<v Speaker 2>on Thursday and did a kind of just off the

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<v Speaker 2>cuff retrospective on what a badass of a player he was.

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<v Speaker 2>What's crazy about his playing career is that you could

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<v Speaker 2>argue it wasn't as good as his executive career, and

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<v Speaker 2>one of the great what if it's an NBA history

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<v Speaker 2>demon say this is worth looking back and finding the

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<v Speaker 2>video of Jerry West. So he builds the showtime Lakers

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<v Speaker 2>that they actually when they announced pat Riley is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the coach, Doctor Buss announced Jerry West was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the coach at the press conference and

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry West said, no, I'm not not doing it. At

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<v Speaker 2>the press conference, like doctor Buss surprised him, You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be the coach?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's like because Magic had forced out the

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<v Speaker 2>previous coach didn't like him, and then Jerry West was like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not so then They're like it was very weird,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, Okay, this is not the video. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>telling you to look up. So pat Riley, No, pat

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<v Speaker 2>Riley's going to be the coach, right, yeah, exactly right,

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<v Speaker 2>pat Riley's going to be the coach. Jerry West was

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<v Speaker 2>like an offensive consultant. Pat Riley ends up being one

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<v Speaker 2>of the greatest of all time. Jerry helps build the

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<v Speaker 2>showtime Lakers. Jerry then trades for Shaq, drafts Kobe, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, executes a draft day trade for Kobe. It

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<v Speaker 2>should be noted Kobe was the thirteenth pick of the

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<v Speaker 2>draft trade, acquired for Vlade divants. It's not like it

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<v Speaker 2>was a Lebron can't miss won the lottery situation. Jerry

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<v Speaker 2>West saw something in him. Brew told a story off

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<v Speaker 2>the air yesterday that one of the reasons the Lakers

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<v Speaker 2>fell in love with Kobe was because when they brought

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<v Speaker 2>him in for a workout, instead of just having him

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<v Speaker 2>work out, they had him work out against Michael Cooper,

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<v Speaker 2>who was aging but was one of the best defensive

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<v Speaker 2>players in the league in his heyday. And Kobe did

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<v Speaker 2>great in that workout. And so Jerry was a visionary.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the reason demands. The Warriors didn't trade Clay

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<v Speaker 2>Thompson for Kevin Love in twenty thirteen. That was on

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<v Speaker 2>the everyone in twenty thirteen. Everyone wanted to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, we already have staff, we need more rebounding.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Love was available. Kevin Love at that point was

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<v Speaker 2>like putting up twenty and twenties all the time. They

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<v Speaker 2>were going to do it, and Jerry West stopped it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they end up turning into a dynasty. Jerry

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<v Speaker 2>West helped put the Clippers together in later years. Sadly

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<v Speaker 2>he had a falling out with the Lakers. They continue

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<v Speaker 2>to be petty about it. It's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>they are embarrassing as a high level organization. Their statement

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<v Speaker 2>on Jerry West was three sentences long, and in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>they shorted him championships and so it's it's weird he

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<v Speaker 2>has a statue there, but they still there's still bitterness

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<v Speaker 2>between ownership there. It's clearly because.

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<v Speaker 3>You said clip teams, it wasn't He ain't have anything

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<v Speaker 3>to do with Lob City, did he?

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<v Speaker 2>So let me know, because with so he was he

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<v Speaker 2>was with the Clippers as a con sultan. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>get it exactly right. When he was with the Clippers.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to have his the timeline correct on that

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't lob City. He was with the Clippers in

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<v Speaker 2>this latest in twenty seven, starting in twenty seventeen. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so he was. He was there with you know when

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<v Speaker 2>they when they got Kawhi and those guys. He was

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<v Speaker 2>with the Warriors from twenty eleven to twenty seventeen and

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<v Speaker 2>the Grizzlies from O two to seven. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>video I was referring to. So he takes over the

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<v Speaker 2>Grizzlies in O two. The three draft is the Lebron Draft.

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<v Speaker 2>The Grizzlies had traded their pick years prior for nothing. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it was one of those picks like it's

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<v Speaker 2>protected this, protected this, but they find owed it. They

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<v Speaker 2>only got to keep it. It was protected for number

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<v Speaker 2>one overall in the Lebron James Draft. Okay, it was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go to the Pistons otherwise, And that lottery happens.

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<v Speaker 2>And the final two teams left picking one and two

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<v Speaker 2>or two and one are the Calves and the Grizzlies.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jerry West is on the podium knowing if they

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<v Speaker 2>open the envelope and it's US, we get Lebron James.

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<v Speaker 2>If they open the envelope and it's Cleveland, we get nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>The number two pick then goes to Detroit. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>either the greatest prospect in sports history or nothing. No

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<v Speaker 2>pick ended up being nothing. That pick ended up turning

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<v Speaker 2>into dark O, but it obviously could have been d Wade, Carmelo, Bosch,

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<v Speaker 2>those were the next guys taken. But there is and Cleveland,

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<v Speaker 2>Lebron's from Akron. There's all of that, but there is

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<v Speaker 2>a whole another version of NBA history where Lebron gets

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<v Speaker 2>drafted to a team run by the greatest executive ever

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<v Speaker 2>and does he never you know what I mean. There's

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<v Speaker 2>so many things there or whatever. But Jerry West was

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<v Speaker 2>just a legend's legend. And the clip I played on

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<v Speaker 2>TV yesterday was him recently relatively at a conference talking

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<v Speaker 2>about how players come into the league these days and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, he's a dog, he's a dog. This guy's

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<v Speaker 2>a dog, and he just says, matter of factly, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I was a wolf.

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<v Speaker 4>I ate dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's not lying, man. And it's also why when

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<v Speaker 2>he he you know, when JJ did the plumbers and

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<v Speaker 2>fireman thing. And he was asked about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Ye, he flamed him.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, at some point the numbers matter, young man,

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<v Speaker 2>what did you eat? His his quote was what did

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<v Speaker 2>you do in this league to impact winning? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, what were you twelve points per game?

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<v Speaker 2>And so and again, I understand you have to adjust

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<v Speaker 2>it for era, but Jerry West, for his era, he

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<v Speaker 2>said it probably at the highest vertical in the league.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Bill Russell or Wilt had higher, but those guys

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<v Speaker 2>were freak freak athletes. But was as fast as any

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<v Speaker 2>player in the league. Was the best shooter in the league.

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<v Speaker 2>And justin all, it's why you know, most people have

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<v Speaker 2>him as the third best shooting guard ever, Michael Kobe, Jerry,

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<v Speaker 2>there's an argument he's the second best shooting guard ever.

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<v Speaker 2>When I did my Top fifty, one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>I cut it off of the last fifty years is

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<v Speaker 2>because it is really hard to parse the guys from

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry's era and the previous era. And here's the other

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I'll say that is sad. Before Kobe passed demons,

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<v Speaker 2>if you said, hey, let's get the fifty greatest NBA

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<v Speaker 2>players ever in a room, all of them were available

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<v Speaker 2>except for Wilt and Pistol. Pete and Pistol died very young.

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<v Speaker 4>Pistol died in his forties.

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<v Speaker 2>Since Kobe passed, we've had a lot of legends go.

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<v Speaker 2>We just had Bill Walton go recently, Jerry went, Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Russell went, I'm not gonna be you know, Kobe. Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>there's others as well, and now when the lead. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the league just celebrated its seventy fifth anniversary, which just means,

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<v Speaker 2>by definition, unfortunately, we're gonna have a lot more of these.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Bob Coosey gave a quote yesterday or the

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<v Speaker 2>day before it is that I'm nine. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if he's ninety five or ninety six. He's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five years old. I've got one foot in the grave.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to see the Celtics hang banner eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a great quote by a legendary player. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's just, you know, it is so many of these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And one other thing I'll say, uh, everyone should go

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<v Speaker 2>check out uh Dan Patrick on Jerry West. So, Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick is obviously a lot older than me and d

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<v Speaker 2>so Dan Patrick is he's mid to late sixties looks unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, but he's you know, he he Jerry

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<v Speaker 2>West was his favorite player as a little kid, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he became friends with Jerry West through the show

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<v Speaker 2>and Dan, I've never I'm sure he's done it before,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've never seen him do it. He cried on

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<v Speaker 2>the air yesterday when we found out the news, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was touching. In a great moment, I text Dan

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<v Speaker 2>and said how moving it was. The guy's a legend,

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<v Speaker 2>made the Demons, He made the Hall of Fame three

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<v Speaker 2>different times. He made the Hall of Fame three different

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<v Speaker 2>times for three different roles. And obviously I didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>say it. He is literally the logo. I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 2>literally the logo. So just in all time, all time legend.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's the best questions that we have today, save them

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<v Speaker 2>and let's add them to the questions next week because,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, if this thing gets wrapped on Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna have a lot of open space over these

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<v Speaker 2>next few weeks. Today was a very long show and

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of want to end it on the Jerry

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<v Speaker 2>West stuff. Great job demands. Congrats to the Celtics thus far.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody pump the brakes a bit on the crushing Luca.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll try to see what I can do about that

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<v Speaker 2>on TV in a few hours.

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