1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by Good Ranchers. 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 2: Making the American Farm Strong Again. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts now. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: Trump is reshaping the GOP majority national majority, as in 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: the numbers of Americans in each party in ways that 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: the Democrats are and should be deeply concerned about. And 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: CNN's I feel like we should call him CNN's Ryan Gerdusky. 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: He's the He's the Ryan Gerdusky of CNM. 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: Formerly formerly of CNN. 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: Well, no, that I'm saying we have Ryan Ryan Gradusky 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: is Clay and Buck Network. Now, he's got a great 12 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: podcast there which you should listen to where he breaks 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: down numbers and data. So you know, it's this guy 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: at CNN. He's like Bootleg Gardusky. Yeah, I'm saying is 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: a bootleg Gardusky. But he's doing his thing over there 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: at CNN. It's probably a nice guy, but this is 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: cut too. He's looking at the data. Play it. 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: Donald Trump and the Republican Party has changed the electorate. 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 3: What do I mean by that, Well, let's take a 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 3: look at party identification Democrats versus Republicans. You go back 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 3: to twenty seventeen, five points more of the electorate was 22 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 3: Democrats than Republicans. You go to twenty twenty one when 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: Joe Biden was starting out, Look at that six points 24 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: more of the electorate was Democrats than Republicans. But look 25 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: at what's happened in February of twenty twenty five. Look 26 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: at this Republicans. There are more Republicans in the electorate 27 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 3: than there are Democrats Republican plus two. So Donald Trump 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: and the Republicans have remade the electorate. They've turned some 29 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: people over from being Democrats or independents to become Republicans. 30 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: New folks have entered the electorate who are more Republican leaning. 31 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 4: And so when you. 32 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: Combine that with the fact that Republicans are really really 33 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: behind Donald Trump, all of a sudden, you get a 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 3: winning recipe whereby you break the normal rules of politics 35 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: and give Donald Trump that positive net approval rating when 36 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: he had pretty much a consistently negative one in term 37 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: number one. 38 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: So Clay. At the same time, the Democrats have the 39 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: most mia leadership I think in my adult life. I 40 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: mean we going to say in the twenty first century, 41 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: and the Republicans just had this very solid win in 42 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: the election with Trump. Now the national party numbers are 43 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: showing something that's got to be very concerning for Democrats, 44 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: great for US. In twenty seventeen, the overall electorate there 45 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: were five more Democrats than Republicans. Twenty twenty one there 46 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: were six more Demo You know, I should say five more, 47 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: up five points, I mean up six points. In twenty 48 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: twenty one. Republicans are now up two Republicans. There are 49 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: more registered Republicans in the US electorate now for the 50 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: first time in a few election cycles. And this is 51 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: just another indicator in the data, in the numbers of 52 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: Trump is flipping Democrats to his side. So at a 53 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: time when they've tried to say Trump is so extreme, 54 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: Trump has brought Democrats over to the Republican Party. So 55 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: I think their argument that he's such a far right 56 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: and polarizing figure is even more challenging for them that 57 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 2: it has been in the past, because now the numbers show, no, 58 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: he's actually the great persuader. If there is such a 59 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: thing in American politics right now, nobody else is bringing 60 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: over the same kind of numbers from left to right 61 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: that Trump is. 62 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: Think about what Trump has done in the first month. 63 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: He has shut down the southern border and we talked 64 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: about this with you earlier this week. But I think 65 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: it's important to keep hammering that narrative because forever they 66 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: told us, hey, we can't do anything at the southern 67 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: border without Congress acting, Trump set down effectively with a 68 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: pen and executive orders and completely shut down the southern 69 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: border such that it's not even a point of discussion 70 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: or coverage anymore. Okay, So that's point one, which a 71 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: huge majority of American support. Point two, He ended so 72 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: far the war in the Middle East by his election. 73 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: He now is trying to end the war in Europe. 74 00:03:55,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: He has started the process of deporting violent criminals who 75 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: should not be in the country legally. He has unleashed 76 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: Elon Musk on the federal government to try and create 77 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: a more fair, less fraud riddled tax code and also 78 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: federal budget. What has he done that's even remotely controversial. 79 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: The only thing I can even think of is birthright citizenship, 80 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: which acknowledge acknowledged by the government and by his administration. 81 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: Is going to go to the Supreme Court on a 82 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: historical level to figure out what the law is on this. 83 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: But by and large, why are Democrats losing support? It's 84 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: because of all the things that I just ran through 85 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: with you, they're not even particularly partisan. Who's in favor 86 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: of more fraud and waste in the federal government? Only 87 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: cheats and liars. Who's in favor of more people dying 88 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: in the Middle East or Europe? I mean, does anybody 89 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: really want hundreds of thousands of more young people to 90 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: die in those two places? 91 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: By and large, like ask the question as well, or 92 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: a continuation of the question, you're asking, what do the 93 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: people that were flying the Ukraine flags at the beginning 94 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: of the war, they they've stopped because they got bored, 95 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: because it wasn't really about Ukraine. It was about them, 96 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 2: that's very obvious. But the people, you know, they had 97 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: the Ukraine flag and the mask and vax emojis all 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: by their name, just you know, exactly, and preferred pronouns, 99 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: although those these days disappearing a little bit, not as 100 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: many preferred pronouns, vanishing, vanishing very rapidly. But what do 101 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: they want? They want us to just keep supporting Ukraine 102 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: until what until Russia decides that it isn't going to 103 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: try to take this territory from Ukraine. You know, we 104 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: are in what is effectively a war. We are the 105 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: supplier of a war of attrition, the supply side of 106 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: a war of attrition. There is no world, no future 107 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: in which the Russian forces are annihilated and all kicked 108 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: out of Ukraine. That is absolutely no one thinks that's 109 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: going to happen. So what is the benefit of the 110 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: perpetuation of the war right now? Given that reality? We 111 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: talked before about what happened in the US Civil War, Well, 112 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: there was a pathway to end the Confederate you know, 113 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: end the Confederate forces, and they took it and they 114 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: realized that and the electric gave Lincoln another term. No 115 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: one thinks there's a pathway to expel Russia entirely. So 116 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: in the meantime, because of the political views that people 117 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: have of Trump, they're going to want this conflict, which 118 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 2: who I mean, if you look at the numbers they've 119 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: got to be having, I don't know, tens of thousands 120 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: of casualties, certainly thousands of casualties a month. I guess 121 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: it depends on where you are in the fighting, and 122 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: you know what the current levels are. But that's horrible 123 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: because a people getting killed, getting their arms blown off 124 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: for what, yes, you know, and this is, and no 125 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: one seems to want to ask this question. Honestly, it's 126 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: all Europe Putin stooge or he's gonna roll through all 127 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: of Europe. No one's saying that that Trump is is. 128 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: Trump isn't saying, you know, Zelenski's surrender. He's saying, let's 129 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: figure out what both sides want. Here's here's the thing. 130 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: We don't even know what Putin wants. Yeah, shouldn't everybody 131 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: have somebody like, we know he doesn't want Ukraine and NATO. Fine, 132 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: and that's pretty reasonable actually from the Russian point of view. 133 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: I know Russia is the bad guy, but you know, 134 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: they don't want a massive military alliance going all the 135 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: way up to their border in territory that used to 136 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: be Russian or Soviet territory. So what what if it's 137 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: something that Ukraine could live with, If it's something that 138 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: Ukraine couldn't live with, Let's say let's say Putin was like, 139 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: you know what, I want to have a puppet government 140 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: installed in Kiev. I know we're supposed to say Kiev now, 141 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: but whatever, I eat the chicken, you know, chicken Kiev, Kiev, 142 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, we want our own government there 143 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: and we want to have full control. Okay, well, at 144 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: least we know what the endgame is and we decide 145 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: are we going to try to back Ukraine to defeat 146 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: Russia for the next ten years. You know, worst can 147 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: go on a very long time. The Iran Iraq War 148 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: went on for almost a decade, like nine years, hundreds 149 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: of thousands of people killed for nothing. By the way, 150 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: there was there's not some great outcome of this where 151 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, it was worth all the price in 152 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: blood and treasure. And you know, that's where Kissinger said 153 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: one of the most immoral things of all time. But 154 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: people think it's really funny, which is, you know, I 155 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: wish both sides could lose, or we were hoping for 156 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: both sides to lose. Both sides did lose. A lot 157 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: of people got killed. 158 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: Look at what happened in Korea. We still have a 159 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: demilitarized zone and I don't think they've ever had an 160 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: official peace in Korea even after the Korean War. So 161 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: here's what needs to happen, and I think Trump understands 162 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: better than anybody. Both sides need to have an ability 163 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: to claim that they had victory when they go back 164 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: to their camps. Zolensky needs to be able to say, 165 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: because of the bravery of the Ukrainian soldier, we stood 166 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: up against Russian aggression and we manage to gain something. Meanwhile, 167 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin needs to go back to Russia and say 168 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: our invasion preserved in some way a Russian victory. Both sides. 169 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: You know how to boxing matchbuck both sides as soon 170 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: as the bell ends turn to their respective corners, and 171 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: what do they do. They immediately raise their hands above 172 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 1: their head. Even if you got your butt kicked as 173 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: a boxer, they tell you to look like you won 174 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: for purposes of the judges. Let the judges can make 175 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: the decision about who won, but you go back and 176 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: celebrate if you're not knocked out at the end of 177 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: a boxing fight. That's what we need to give the 178 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to both the Zolensky and Putin to do Trump, 179 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: as a master negotiator, certainly understands that. I think he 180 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: also understands that the United States has been so in 181 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: favor of Ukraine that he needs to give maneuverability to 182 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: Putin to get peace sold and by restricting our further 183 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: tax dollars going to Ukraine, he is hastening the end 184 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: of this war. And so I look what are we 185 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: sitting at right now, February nineteenth. I think there is 186 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: a good chance buck by may one, that there is 187 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: a ceasefire in place in Ukraine. And remember why this 188 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: is significant. When the weather gets good, there is typically 189 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: when the fighting kicks up. So he is acting right 190 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: now in what is still European winter. When there's snow 191 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: on the ground, it's harder to maneuver. When we get 192 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: to the spring, we need to have a ceasefire in place. 193 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: Or frankly, Russia is poised to overrun even more of 194 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: Ukraine because they don't have enough men. This is where 195 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: the raw man power of Russia is taking advantage, which 196 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: you talked about years ago on this program. 197 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: This is Russia doesn't have to be good. They just 198 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: have to want to keep doing it. That's the problem. 199 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: They don't have to be that skilled. They don't have 200 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: to have good generals. I mean, look at the history 201 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: of Russia for the last one hundred plus years. It's 202 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: vast you can't control. It has a ton of natural 203 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: resources and will throw its men into a meat grinder 204 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: for years. So it's just a very it's a very 205 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: different strategic calculation that they make on these things in 206 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: terms of the cost benefit analysis the what we have. 207 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 2: But also note this play. If Trump brings this Russian 208 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 2: Russia Ukraine war to a conclusion rapidly, if it happens 209 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: even just in his first year in office, I think 210 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: that that's very it's a very powerful reminder of how 211 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: insane it was that the Democrats had Joe Biden in 212 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: office for those years. You didn't really have a commander 213 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: in chief. You didn't have somebody who had the mental 214 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: and physical capabilities to tackle something like this and to 215 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: really because you know, it's not just two people talking, right, 216 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: it's got to be lining this up with the various 217 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: diplomats and the outreach they're going to do, the negotiators, 218 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: the strategy. But there always has to be whether it's 219 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: a company or the United States of America, you need 220 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: somebody with a vision. You need somebody who sees the 221 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: future you're trying to go toward in order to give 222 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: everybody else the marching orders to achieve it. And we 223 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: did not have that at all, And I don't think 224 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: anybody can even argue we did under Joe Biden. So 225 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 2: just the fact now that you know the head of 226 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 2: the entity, the guy calling the shots is actually calling 227 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: the shots in Donald Trump gives us a realistic hope 228 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: of bringing this carnage to an end. And I just, 229 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: I truly pray that Donald Trump is able to do 230 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 2: it and able to get Zelensky to heal on this 231 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: a bit and do what is necessary, because you know, 232 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 2: wouldn't it be so wouldn't it be so nice we 233 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: go back just focusing on domestic American challenges and making 234 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: sure that we're as wealthy and safe and secure and 235 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 2: happy as we can be, and not spend so much 236 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: of our time on some distant war that people want 237 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: to make us believe is going to be at our 238 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: doorstep unless we have a blank check to a corrupt 239 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: regime where who knows where all this money and weaponry 240 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: and everything else is going. I think it's very fair 241 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: to say enough, enough is enough. 242 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck. 243 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: We are joined now by our friend Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson, 244 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: and we're going to dive into the latest on the 245 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: budget and the priorities of twenty twenty five in the 246 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: Senate with him in a moment. But I actually want 247 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: to start with you because I know the conversation about 248 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: Ukraine has been very detailed of late, and you have 249 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: met with Zelensky before, and I'm curious what your experience 250 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: has been like with him and what your thoughts are 251 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: on the attempt to bring peace to the region after 252 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: almost three years of war. 253 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 5: Now, yeah, I was the chairman of the European Subcommittee 254 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 5: when he became President of Ukraine. So I was the 255 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 5: only member of Congressant's inauguration in May of twenty nineteen. 256 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 5: Then I went back with Senator Chris Murphy in September. 257 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 5: At that point in time, President Linski told us that 258 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 5: he knew he could not dislodge Russia from the Don 259 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 5: Boss or from Crimea, and that he had to do 260 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 5: a piece deal with him. He knew it wouldn't be 261 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 5: popular in Ukraine, be he so that that's what he 262 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 5: had to do. So, you know, obviously things changed and 263 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 5: he was I think encouraged by by the Biden administration 264 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 5: to resist to putin. And you know, now we've got 265 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 5: this three year bloody stalemate. And I'm completely on board 266 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 5: with the what President Trump wants to do, which is 267 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 5: to end the war. There's no way that Putin is 268 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 5: going to lose that war. You have to face that reality. 269 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 5: You know, none of us like that reality, but it 270 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 5: was just true. So the DO war has to end. 271 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,479 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that Zelenski was invaded 272 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: by Russia partly because Biden was there and Putin didn't 273 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: trust Biden's toughness. Do you think also, there would have 274 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: been peace sooner if Biden and his administration had been 275 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: open to it, as opposed to what now looks like 276 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives, both Ukrainian 277 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: and Russian. 278 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I was not in Istan Bull, but you 279 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 5: hear stories of the fact that they were very close 280 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 5: to a peace deal, not had a piece deeal then 281 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 5: Beidensen born Boris Johnson in there to kind of blow 282 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 5: that thing up. So sure, first of all, the war 283 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 5: never started. We should have told Russia, no, we're not 284 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 5: going to offer Ukraine NATO membership. I think that probably 285 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 5: would have prevented it right there. We could have probably 286 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 5: done more in terms of arming Ukraine early to deter Putin, 287 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 5: but again, they had a peace agreement, as we're told, 288 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 5: and that got blown up. By Boris at the best 289 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 5: of a Biden. So the no, this thing never never 290 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 5: should have started, never should have gone on this long. 291 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: Do you think Senator Johnson appreciates you being with us? 292 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: It's buck. Do you think that this is something that 293 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: President Trump will be able to bring at least to 294 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: a cease fire relatively quickly? Do you think that we 295 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: could see it by the summer? I know I'm asking 296 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: you to project out a little bit, but just based 297 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: on your sense of Trump and his team and Secretary 298 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: of Rubio's capabilities and the realities on the ground here, 299 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 2: and you know, the the strategic realities on top of 300 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: all of that, what kind of a timeline are you 301 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: hopeful Trump can achieve well. 302 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 5: As soon as possible. Again, I'm not gonna like the deal. 303 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 5: I don't think anybody's gonna like the deal. You know, 304 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 5: maybe Putin will like the deal. You know, again, this 305 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 5: is this is awful. But every day that goes by, 306 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 5: the deal gets worse because more Ukrainians, more Russian conscripts die, 307 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 5: more Ukraine gets destroyed. So again, I've just been focusing 308 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 5: got in this war. I've been saying that for a 309 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 5: couple of years. 310 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 1: Now, let's go into the budget situation long night in 311 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,239 Speaker 1: the Senate, A lot of things that are going to 312 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: be occurring. What should the our listeners know about where 313 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: we are headed with the budget process here in twenty 314 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: twenty five. 315 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 5: You have to know the numbers. You know, in Washingt 316 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 5: d C. They don't really like talking numbers much. But 317 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 5: the facts are in twenty nineteen, we spent four point 318 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 5: four trillion dollars. Then we had COVID went on a 319 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 5: massive by Parson spending scree, spent almost six point six trillion. 320 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 5: And I've said this in the past, no family, if 321 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 5: they had an illness had to borrow fifty thousand dollars 322 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 5: pay medical bills. If that family never got well, you 323 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 5: wouldn't keep borrowing fifty thousand dollars and spend at that level. 324 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 5: That would be insane. But that's exactly what the federal 325 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 5: government done has done the last five years. We've averaged 326 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 5: six point five billion dollars. Last year, we spent six 327 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 5: point nine This year, we're on a path to spend 328 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 5: seven point three trillion dollars. So four point four to 329 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 5: seven point three trillion dollars that the sixty three percent 330 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 5: increase our population has grown two point six percent. So 331 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 5: what we need to do is we need to return, 332 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 5: like a family would, to some kind of pre pandemic 333 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 5: spending levels. I've laid out four options. What happened is 334 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 5: the Chairman Graham of the Budget Committee took my option, 335 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 5: where I said, used President Trump's own budget for twenty 336 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 5: twenty five. Back before he left office. He projected out 337 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 5: his budget for twenty twenty five. If you'd use his 338 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 5: numbers plus day, social Security, medicare, and interest, he'd be 339 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 5: spending about six six trillion, sixty one billion dollars. That 340 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 5: is what we used in the budget we passed last 341 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 5: night in the US Senate. I've laid on other options too. 342 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 5: If you use Clinton's spending from nineteen ninety eight and 343 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 5: you increase it by population growth and inflation, bus this 344 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 5: year's soci Security, Medicare, and interest said be five point 345 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 5: five billion dollar and we'd virtually have a balanced budget. 346 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 5: In other words, using Clinton's spending priorities inflate it, they 347 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 5: have a balanced budget. If he use Obama's spending priorities 348 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 5: from twenty fourteen, it'd be six point two trillion dollars. 349 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 5: So I've laid up I'd tell my colleagues. You all 350 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 5: campaign on zero based budgeting, right, We'll never do it, 351 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 5: but this is the next best thing. How about a 352 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 5: five point five or six point one trillion dollar based budget. 353 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 5: Let's do that. What the House is doing is they're 354 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 5: basically starting at seven point three trillion dollars and they're 355 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 5: suffering death by one thousand cuts because everybody, look, we 356 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 5: can't cut that, can't cut that, can't cut that, and 357 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 5: so the House budget. You know, listen, I appreciate the 358 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 5: difficult nature of this, appreciate what they're trying to do, 359 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 5: but they're basically going from seven point three trillion dollars 360 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 5: and at most they've cut two hundred billion from that 361 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 5: and end up at seven point one trillion. It's totally 362 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 5: an adam. It sounds like a big number. We're gonna demand. 363 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 5: We're gonna cut one point five trillion dollars over ten years, 364 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 5: and we still what my message to President Trump. I 365 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 5: told this device President Vance when he's in lunch this week. 366 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 5: I said, you know, I don't think anybody did voters 367 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 5: for you either or President Trump expect you to be 368 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 5: spending at President Biden's levels. But that, in fact is 369 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 5: what we're doing here. That's what the House budget does. 370 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: Speaking of Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and a senator, 371 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 2: there's been a lot of noise from Democrats, Senator, senate 372 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: colleagues of yours, various Democrat appointee judges from the federal 373 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: bench trying to prevent access to these kinds of numbers 374 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 2: about spending, whether it's at the Treasury Department. I know 375 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: the IRS has gotten a visit from Doge. Do you 376 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: think that that's all being worked out and that Trump's 377 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: you know, stamp of approval on Elon and the Doge 378 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: team to go in and do this is going to 379 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 2: be respected or because to a lot of people, it 380 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: just seems like Democrats are obstructing something that should be 381 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 2: a truly bipartisan which is, let's see if they can 382 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: find fraud, waste and abuse, and where they find it, 383 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: they should be able to you know, the government should 384 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: deal with it. 385 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 3: Well. 386 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 5: Democrats use government to fund their radical left ideology and 387 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 5: they don't want the public to see it, and so 388 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 5: they are resisting it. You know, the good news is 389 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 5: the court so are actually supporting President Trump. I completely 390 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 5: support what Elon Musk is doing. The narrative is always unelected. 391 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 5: All the bureacrats that refuse to turn over information to 392 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 5: members of Congress and the American public, they are unelected. 393 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 5: I have a far greater faith in a representative from 394 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 5: a duly elected president elected to do just this, going 395 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 5: in there and uncovering this. Now the trick's going to 396 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 5: be just because Elon Musk and Doge uncovers the waste 397 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 5: for an abuse doesn't make it go away. You know, 398 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 5: we have to do that through the legislator, the process. 399 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 5: And again that's why I've been supporting a keep it 400 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 5: simple process. You know what the Senate is doing. Okay, 401 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 5: let's first start by giving Trump the resources he needs 402 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 5: to secure the border defend this nation. I would actually 403 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 5: do a three step process. Next sight come back using 404 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 5: that same budget, by the way, in tasking that we 405 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 5: use current policy on taxes, which means all we have 406 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 5: to do is come back a second reconciliation. Say we're 407 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 5: going to extend the current tax code, as complex as 408 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 5: awful as it is. By doing that, we would prevent 409 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 5: a massive automatic tax increase that occurring twenty twenty six. 410 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 5: Then we come back in the third round with a 411 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 5: fiscal twenty twenty six budget, and that's where we do 412 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 5: all the other stuff. I mean, that's where you stipfy 413 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 5: rationalize the tax code. That's where we take a look 414 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 5: at Trump's tax proposals. That's when we do the pre 415 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 5: pandemic spending level. That can be easy. But as you're saying, 416 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 5: seeing the House, the one big beautiful bill is one 417 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 5: really complex bill, which I think is probably one really 418 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 5: impossible to pass bill right off the bat. And President 419 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 5: Trump needs the border funding. 420 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: Now we're talking to Senator Ron Johnson. You made the analogy, 421 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: and I think it's a good one. In twenty nineteen, 422 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: we had a four point four trillion dollar budget. Democrats 423 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: but also Republicans signed on to blow up that bill. 424 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: That budget. During COVID money just flew out. We ratcheted 425 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: up the national debt by a massive degree. Isn't there 426 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: also a pretty good historical analogy here. Look, we responded, 427 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, and you've been on the show a lot. 428 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: Much of the government and much of society failed in 429 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: responding to COVID. But if you go back historically, during 430 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: World War II, we ratcheted up spending massively for the 431 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: federal government. But as soon as World War two was over, 432 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: we dialed that back down and came back to some 433 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: form of sanity because we weren't fighting the war anymore. 434 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: Isn't it it crazy that there's almost no debate about 435 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: the budgetary policies that were put in place during COVID 436 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: being retracted at all. Like, I don't think most people 437 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: even contemplate or discuss this. 438 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 5: Well. One of the devist things the Unit Party has 439 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 5: done is they've transferred to discretionary spending into the mandatory accounts. 440 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 5: So we've increased other mandatory not Social Security, Medicare or 441 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 5: even medicaid. We've increased from six hundred and forty two 442 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 5: billion to one point three trillion to twenty nineteen one 443 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 5: thing that this is three omnibuses ago. I asked my 444 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 5: senate colleagues Republican College to say, anybody know how much 445 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 5: in total the federal government spent last year? I asked 446 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 5: then Washington Press Corps that nobody knew because we never 447 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 5: talked about it. One of the ye press guys said, well, 448 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 5: if it was over at trillion dollars, now that's discrationany 449 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 5: spending that's less than thirty percent of our budget. So 450 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 5: we put so much of a federal budget on automatic pilots. 451 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 5: We're supposedly the five hundred and thirty five member border 452 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 5: directors of the largest financial area of the world, and 453 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 5: we don't even know in total what we spend now 454 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 5: because I raised that issue three years ago, people are aware, 455 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 5: but they're looking at again. If you start it seven 456 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 5: point three trillion dollars and try and cut your way 457 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 5: through pre pandemic level, you'll never get there. You have 458 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 5: to start at some pre pandemic level baseline. Again, I've 459 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 5: laid out Clinton nineteen ninety eight, Obama twenty fourteen. I 460 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 5: mean even Trump's twenty nineteen. If you inflate that, you'd 461 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 5: only be at six point five trillion. I still think 462 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 5: that's too high, but it's eight hundred billion dollars below 463 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 5: where we are right now, and it's over half a 464 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 5: trillion below where the House is trying to struggle passing 465 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 5: a budget. 466 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for being with us, Center Ron Johnson. 467 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 5: I'm not saying. I'm not saying the Senate is going 468 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 5: to have a good time or easy time getting down 469 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 5: that level. But at least our budget says six trillion 470 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 5: sixty one billion. 471 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: Okay, Senator Ron Johnson, Wisconsin. Thanks for being with us, sir. 472 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 5: Have a great day. 473 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: This is Team forty seven with Clay and Buck. Donald 474 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:10,719 Speaker 1: Trump just a few moments ago, he's got the governors 475 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 1: all visiting with him at the White House, and I 476 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: want to play this cut for you. We'll take some 477 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: calls as we roll through the final hour here. But 478 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: the governor of Maine is refusing to follow the regulation 479 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: Trump signed, saying men can't compete in women's sports. That 480 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a really complicated regulation to follow, but 481 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: Trump just to the governor of Maine's face, called her out, 482 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: listen to this. It just happened. 483 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 6: DANCAA has complied immediately, by the way, that's good. But 484 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 6: I understand Maine is Maine here, the governor of man 485 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 6: out here, are you not going to comply with it? 486 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: I'm coping with the state federal law. 487 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 4: Well we are the federal law. Well you better do it. 488 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 4: You better do it because you're not going to get 489 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 4: any federal funding at all if you don't. And by 490 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 4: the way, your population, even though it's somewhat liberal orlo, 491 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 4: I did very well there. Your population doesn't want men 492 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 4: playing in women's sports. So you better comply, because otherwise 493 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 4: you're not getting any federal funding. See every state, good, 494 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 4: I'll see you and could I look forward to that. 495 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 4: That should be a really easy one. And enjoy your 496 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 4: life after governor, because I don't think you'll be an 497 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 4: elected politics. 498 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: Ooh man, that is incredible. That just happened. The governor 499 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: of Maine is saying she will see Trump in court 500 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: over whether men should be able to play women's sports. 501 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: This is emblematic I think of the Trump derangement syndrome 502 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: that has taken over in the Democrat Party. They are 503 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: taking constantly positions that twenty percent of the population agrees 504 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: with and fighting with Trump over them. Of all the 505 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: things you could disagree with Trump on in Maine, can 506 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: you imagine saying I'm going to fight to the death 507 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: over whether men can compete in women's sports. We got 508 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people listening in Maine, and Trump is right. 509 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: I believe he only lost Maine by about six or 510 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: seven points if I remember the math, meaning a solid 511 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: forty five percent ish or forty six percent of Maine 512 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: voters support Trump. But even in Maine, this is like 513 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: a ninety ten issue. And for this to be the 514 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: ground that Democrats have decided, this is where we're putting 515 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: our feet in. This is what we're not gonna give 516 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: any ground on. I just I can't believe this is real. 517 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: That was a masterclass that we just played. That just 518 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: happened a few minutes ago of Trump with the main 519 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: governor in the White House.