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Speaker 2: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jerry o'she I.

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Speaker 3: Served in the CIA's Clandestine Service for twenty eight years,

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Speaker 4: And in my thirty three years with the CIA, I

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Speaker 3: Although we don't usually look at it this way, we

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Speaker 4: In our operations. We got people to believe things that

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Speaker 3: Now we're investigating the conspiracy theories we see in the

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Speaker 4: We'll break them down for you to determine whether they

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Mission implausible. So we grew up in CIA,

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Speaker 3: today we're going to talk about sort of the mother

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Speaker 4: I love the Montalk Project. It's the kitchen sink of

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, what's interesting is, you know, this thing sort

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Speaker 3: It's a very American thing too. There's this American view

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Speaker 4: You and I, having been in CIA, know just how

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Speaker 3: They're made up of the same citizens who worry about

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Speaker 3: And so this is a story of a couple guys

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Speaker 3: today we're going to talk about the mon Talk project.

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Speaker 3: And to kick us off, why can you give us

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Speaker 1: So the mon Talk project is this conspiracy theory that

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Speaker 1: So the overall umbrella of the Montalk Project is that

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Speaker 4: And as for Nazi gold in Europe, there is this

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Speaker 1: There's also real life historical mysteries that probably are never

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Speaker 3: Is there any evidence that these kind of conspiracies are

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Speaker 1: This, to me, I believe is completely domestic. I've never

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Speaker 1: delusional raving Mike, as always, thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: It's been great, heavy on the show.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks for having me back. Guys, this was great.

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Speaker 4: All right, everybody, let's bring in John Star, who's done

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Speaker 2: John, what did you come up with? The extent of

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Speaker 3: It's a Christmas movie. I think you take the family

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Speaker 5: My name is Christopher Garretano, and I am a movie maker,

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Speaker 5: happening underneath the ground. And I started to consider, Okay,

441
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 5: these guys are talking about Tillians and praying mantis people

442
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 5: and you know, stuff I've only seen in science fiction.

443
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 5: And I said, is it possible that these guys were

444
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 5: drugged up? That maybe they were used for some reason,

445
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 5: but drugged up in case they would ever say what

446
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 5: happened there. Now they're out there telling the story of

447
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 5: praying mantis people and monsters drinking draino like these are

448
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 5: the stories they.

449
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: Told, and.

450
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 5: You know, no one's going to believe them, but something

451
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 5: tells me, at least Preston, Nichols and al Blick believed

452
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 5: that something happened there, that they were part of something.

453
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 5: For what reason, I can't tell you. It could be,

454
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 5: you know, mental if but why would someone go to

455
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 5: these great lengths. Neither of them ever really benefited from this.

456
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 5: They received more ridicule than anything else.

457
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: So what changed your mind in the making of this

458
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: to open your mind to that possibility.

459
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 5: So it was associative type programs that I had no

460
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 5: knowledge of before going in, like in Kultra, like the

461
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 5: Holmesburg prison experiments, the Tuskegee medical experiments, and then the

462
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 5: hearings in the nineties where Bill Clinton was apologizing for

463
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 5: so called radiation experiments and the Tuskegee medical experiments and

464
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 5: saying that's the past, this is in US, we don't

465
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Speaker 5: do this now. So if that was happening there, then

466
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 5: I started to think, well, of course it was happening

467
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 5: in other places, and you discover that it was that,

468
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 5: maybe I start to consider that these things were truly

469
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 5: happening at Montak.

470
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Speaker 2: Have people been writing in with new clues and new information?

471
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot a lot of people that have talked

472
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 5: to me claim they were part of it. And then

473
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 5: I talked to the guy and he was in and

474
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 5: out of jail, and he was in trouble and he

475
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 5: wanted to wear a ski mask and disguise's voice. He

476
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 5: was more believable to me because someone who had grown

477
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 5: up going through all that trauma, being drugged, beaten, then

478
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 5: thrown back out on the street is going to have scars.

479
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: You seem to be suggesting that it's possible that people

480
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 2: who suffered other traumas and abuse have created the Montak

481
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: Project as a fiction to explain to themselves what they

482
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: otherwise couldn't.

483
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 5: I considered that along the way too, where these people

484
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 5: abused and they're just making it up. And I know

485
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 5: in psychiatry there is a word for that, and they

486
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 5: apply that to alien abduction too.

487
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: Has there been any other evidence that you've uncovered physical

488
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Speaker 2: evidence or yes, historical records.

489
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 5: Yeah. So finally I had the resources to hire geophysicists

490
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 5: and went to Camp Hero and use something called electric

491
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 5: resistivity imagery, where you would have these kind of spikes

492
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 5: that would be hammered into the ground. What he found

493
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 5: was very similar to many unmarked grave sites that he's

494
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 5: found in the past. He says it could be other things,

495
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 5: but it is very similar to a mass grave site.

496
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Speaker 2: The underground could have been secret but used for something else,

497
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: ammunition storage or a record storage.

498
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 5: Sure they have bunkers and things like that, but even

499
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 5: on record, it's dismissed. They say there's nothing, there's nothing there.

500
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 5: Ammo was stored inside the batteries where the sixteen inch

501
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 5: guns were. No matter how many people and we put

502
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 5: in foyer requests, government officials, park officials, they all say, no,

503
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 5: there's nothing there.

504
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: From what you've learned in this process, you believe this

505
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: is very possible. Whether it happened to mon talk or not,

506
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: not so much, but.

507
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 5: Somewhere using people under false pretenses for horror horrific experiments

508
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 5: is possible that aspect of it. I have never seen

509
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 5: a UFO, I've never seen an alien being. I've seen

510
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 5: some curious things in my life, but I can say

511
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 5: that I do believe it's a strong possibility that something

512
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 5: like the Holmesburg prison experiments or mk Ultra did occur

513
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 5: at Campuro.

514
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 3: All right, John, based on your discussion with him, you

515
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: know what, what's your take?

516
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: Well? I think Christopher himself seems kind of iffy on

517
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: whether Camp Hero is a location where the government did

518
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: weird stuff or he's just more convinced that the government

519
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: does weird stuff somewhere, whether it's a Campuro or not,

520
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 2: who knows. He did find it very significant that there

521
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 2: is underground areas that weren't on the charts and maps

522
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: for Campuro. I think, yeah, of course there's an army base.

523
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: You're going to have underground chambers you don't want people

524
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: to know about. Could be putting weapons there, it could

525
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: be putting paperwork. Just because there's underground rooms doesn't mean

526
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: that fact of the government was torturing children. There a

527
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 2: lot of other uses for underground rooms than torturing children. However,

528
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: he did talk a lot about New government's history and

529
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: experimenting on people with mind control and drugs, and whether

530
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: anything happened in Montalk or not is an independent question

531
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 2: from whether the government is doing that or not. I

532
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: see on our screen here that Adam Davidson is He's

533
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: still checking his email, but I think he's ready to

534
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: join us. So I'm going to pass the ball to Adam.

535
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: But I did want to let all of you know.

536
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: I think you knew already that Stranger Things was inspired

537
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: by the Montalk Project. But Stranger Things was originally called Montalk.

538
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: That was the original name of the show. Prior to that,

539
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: Ryan Murphy, the creator of American Horror Story and Glee,

540
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: he had a show called The Montalk Project that didn't

541
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 2: go but that was in twenty eleven.

542
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 6: Well, I actually think the point that this story is

543
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 6: so appealing to Hollywood. Is a really good way in

544
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 6: to talking about the role that conspire theories play, sometimes

545
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 6: the very real financial role they play in the lives

546
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 6: of people who share them or are attracted to them.

547
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 6: Let's take into that after this break all right back

548
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 6: to the show. So, gentlemen, I've had this question for

549
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 6: a long time. Like I've heard about mk Ultra, I

550
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 6: had not heard about the Montak project before this. And

551
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 6: so when you were in Cia, did any of this

552
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 6: come up, like people wondering if there are extrasensory perception,

553
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 6: if there are telekinesists, did that come up in your

554
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 6: day to day work.

555
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: I'll let us the first No, I never did, but

556
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: it was an odd time. But I think the early

557
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: years of the Cold War there was a real fear

558
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: in America that we could be obliterated, or that the

559
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: Russian hordes would come across the fords in Europe, and

560
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: Jerry and I felt a little bit of that. For example,

561
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: after nine to eleven, the fear in America that there

562
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: will be more attacks, that this could happen to us.

563
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: And in those circumstances, in an effort to try to

564
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: keep people safe, governments have often gone too far, and

565
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: there was a view at the time that the Russians

566
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: were experimenting with mind control. We had found some people

567
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: who had agreed to spy for the Russians in certain circumstances,

568
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: and it didn't seem to make sense. There was even

569
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: popular movies at the time about how the Russians had

570
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: some sort of special ability to control minds, like the

571
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: Manchurian candidate. And so what happened is long before Jerry

572
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: and I joined the CIA, the head of the Technical

573
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: Services Department, which did everything from disguises and gear like

574
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: you see in the James Bond movies to poisons and

575
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 3: other things, started a program which was code named mk Ultra,

576
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: which was meant to try to test and use drugs

577
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: in other ways to try to find if this was

578
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: at all possible. Is it possible to get people to

579
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 3: tell the truth when they don't want to, Is it

580
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 3: possible to control minds? Is it possible to create super soldiers?

581
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: And in the process, as you can imagine, they did

582
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: too much. My understanding is they used people who weren't

583
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: aware of what they were getting into, and these other

584
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: kind of.

585
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 4: Things I'd throw in there that a lot of it

586
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 4: had to do at least when we're on the inside,

587
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: explained by ignorance in those days. I don't think people

588
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 4: really before Timothy Leary people understood what LSD was right.

589
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 4: I mean, there's another element to this, and let's throw

590
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: politicians under the bus. Something I love is oftentimes CIA

591
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 4: responds to what policymakers want to know, and people will

592
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 4: say to the agency or to whomever, to the military.

593
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 4: So is this possible? Let me know, the Agency had

594
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: an office for years where they were studying far seeing right,

595
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 4: whether you could with your mind sort of imagine Russian submarines.

596
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 4: And it turned out there were a couple of influential

597
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 4: senators who demanded they do that and demanded that the

598
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 4: money be put in there. And I think people sort

599
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 4: of scoffed at it on the inside and it produced nothing.

600
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 4: But this was something that was posed on the agency.

601
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: Is that the men who steer at Goat's thing?

602
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, My buddy John Ronson wrote the book. It's a

603
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 6: really fun book.

604
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: If Uri Galer could like really bend spoons for those

605
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: of us old enough to remember that, if that power

606
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 4: existed and we could replicate it in a lib that

607
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 4: would be really useful for like messing up Soviet missiles,

608
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 4: nuclear missiles, if you could like mess up their inside.

609
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: You know, Jerry and I were in the operational overseas

610
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: part of things, and by the time we were in

611
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: there was no discussion of drugs that could help you

612
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: get better information or get or truth serums or anything.

613
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: In fact, oftentimes for our job, we had to drink

614
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: a lot and I always would say, is there anything

615
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: Is there a pill or something I can take?

616
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't feel like.

617
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: Death the next day? And even no, we didn't have

618
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: anything like that, So, I mean, that would have been

619
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: a more practical thing that would have been useful to

620
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: me in my services.

621
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 6: Conspiracy theories solve problems for certain people. They can solve

622
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 6: problems for politicians who want to say there's a like,

623
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 6: there's a simple story. It's not just Oh, my voters

624
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 6: are older, uneducated white men who our economy has kind

625
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 6: of left behind, and I don't really have any solutions

626
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 6: for them. We can say it's the Jews, or it's

627
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 6: black people, or it's this, or it's that. You can

628
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 6: see why that's useful for that audience, even if it's

629
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 6: bad for society. But also like Hollywood is such a

630
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 6: direct like it's hard to come up with ideas. I

631
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 6: have this one friend, John Stearn. He hasn't had a

632
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 6: new idea in like fourteen years, and that's his whole job.

633
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 6: So I just find it helpful to think, who are

634
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 6: they helping.

635
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: Make inner said or something? For every complex problem, there's

636
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: an answer that is clear, simple and wrong.

637
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 6: Right.

638
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: They serve an important purpose and they make people feel better.

639
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: But there's a downside too many of them.

640
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, there's definitely a downced. I'm not trying to

641
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 6: say they're good in some objective way. I'm just saying

642
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 6: they're useful for people, just like a gun that can

643
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 6: be useful, or saren gas can be useful, doesn't mean

644
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 6: it's good. By the way, do you, guys, when an

645
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 6: officer or an agent dies in the field of duty,

646
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 6: do you do what journalists do and think of all

647
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 6: the ways they fucked up? Like I find whenever someone dies,

648
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 6: we're very sad and very upset when a journalist dies,

649
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 6: like in a war situation, and it you know, I've

650
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 6: lost some real friends and.

651
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 2: It's awful, it's truly awful.

652
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 6: But then I've also noticed and I think others have

653
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 6: remarked on this that pretty soon we're talking about the

654
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 6: choices they made that put them in harm's way that

655
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 6: we wouldn't necessarily have made. And I always see that

656
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 6: as our effort to like avoid the real terror, which

657
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 6: is that could have happened to any one of us

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Speaker 6: a million times.

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Speaker 3: It's a good point, though. The world is complex and chaotic,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, you have to create some sort of narrative

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Speaker 3: otherwise you're worried that anything could happen at any time

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Speaker 3: and you have no control. It's about control. I think

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Speaker 3: it's about control. Yeah, of your circumstances, of your life,

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Speaker 3: of your beliefs and your thoughts and your lifestyle matter,

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Speaker 3: and you know, frankly, maybe it doesn't. Yeah. I mean

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Speaker 3: the longer we talk, the less likely that we're going

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Speaker 3: to solve these issues issues here, So we'll have to

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Speaker 3: take this up next time on the next episode of

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Speaker 3: Mission Implausibles.

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Speaker 2: Mission Implausible is produced by Adam Davidson, Jerry O'shay, John Cipher,

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Speaker 2: and Jonathan Stern. The associate producer is Rachel Harner. Mission Implausible.

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Speaker 2: It is a production of Honorable Mention and Abominable Pictures

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Speaker 2: for iHeartMedia,