1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woka F Daily with 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: There are some days, folks, where I just I don't know, 4 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, where I wake up and I meditate and 5 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: I try and get into a clear focus space, um 6 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: to start the day off on a good foot. And 7 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: what I'm finding over the last couple of weeks that 8 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: it is getting harder and harder to find hope, to 9 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: find good in what is transpiring. To think that, you know, 10 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: it was just a couple of weeks ago that we 11 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: had Thanksgiving and folks were gathering again, and you know, 12 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, just to think, you know, a year 13 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: ago we were on zoom Thanksgivings and we didn't know 14 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: what was happening. And now we have a vaccine and 15 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: we have boosters, and you know, believing that we were 16 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: working our way back to some sense of normalcy within 17 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: three weeks from Thanksgiving. We are in such a different 18 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: state of being, and the instability of it all, how 19 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: quickly things are devolving with this new variant. We're seeing 20 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: headlines once again of shows being canceled and games being canceled, 21 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: and you know, if you were headed back into work, 22 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: you've probably received emails about that being postponed, and there 23 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: is just this gloom, this desperation, this anxiety that once again, 24 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: it's like hello, darkness, my old friend, it is returning. 25 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, uh, maybe two weeks ago, 26 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: at this point, I was getting ready to go to 27 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: a holiday party, right because it seemed safe to be 28 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: able to do that, you know, so long as you 29 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: were putting together what you thought were safe COVID protocols. 30 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: Everybody go and get a negative test and you know, 31 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: and you know, show proof of vaccination, and then we 32 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: could gather maybe still not in these large groups, but 33 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: at least in small ones. And I went to this 34 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: you know, holiday gathering of roughly like twenty twenty five people, 35 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: and you know, again it just it felt like, you know, 36 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: slowly things were coming back to this sense of normal, 37 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: or at least a new normal where we put protocols 38 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: in place, but that we were able to gather once again. 39 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: Days following that event, received a phone call was a 40 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: breakthrough infection. Everybody needs to go and get tested. Thankfully, 41 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: at that time I was testing negative and still you know, 42 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: right now testing negative, even though I have come into 43 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: contact with yet not one, not two, but three people 44 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: who have had breakthrough infections. Right now, I am testing negative, 45 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: but the sense of fear that I have just continues 46 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: to build so much so that I am like, you know, 47 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make at home for the holidays, 48 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: Like I'm just trying to get there so that I 49 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: can just go back into my original COVID pod with 50 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: my parents, with my sister and just close out the 51 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: world for the next couple of days, just to give 52 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: my mind my heart some rest and reprieve. And I 53 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: know that you all are feeling the same way. It 54 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: just feels like the pressure continues to mount. And you know, 55 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: in my upcoming conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel, 56 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: it's the last one on one that we will have 57 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:32,119 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one. You know, he struggles to try 58 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: and find some hope. But essentially what Jonathan offers is 59 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: a really stark warning that the next four to six 60 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: weeks in America are going to be terrible. That you know, 61 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 1: as I am broadcasting right now, the first reported death 62 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: from the omicron variant has been reported, and has been 63 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: reported in Texas. I think that the news has been 64 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: making false statements when they say that the omicron variant 65 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: is mild. I think that we have no idea and 66 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: by using terminology like mild, what you are giving people 67 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: is a false sense of hope. We have no idea 68 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: what the long terms effect, what the long term effect 69 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: of alpha is, the long term effect of delta, or 70 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: the long term effect of omicron. We have no idea 71 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: why it is breaking around the vaccinations and the boosters, 72 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: but we do know that those that have been vaccinated 73 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: and boosted are less likely to show up on ventilators, 74 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: are less likely to be clogging up our hospital systems. 75 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: But as I'm watching the numbers, the numbers in Tennessee 76 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: and other Red states are in the double digits of 77 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: their infection rates. Tennessee right now is at a seventeen 78 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: point three percent infection rate that is higher than some 79 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: developed fucking nations. Right, And we have just developed this 80 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: sense of anger and fear and resentment towards one another 81 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: as this has all been transpiring because of right, because 82 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: of our initial response that was hailed by the Trump 83 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: administration and Republicans to turn this all into political folly 84 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: for their own gain. Who cares if over eight hundred 85 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: thousand Americans are dead because of them? Who cares if 86 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: they had all of the pertinent information to keep us 87 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: safe at that time and then chose not to. No 88 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: one is going to go to jail. No one is 89 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: going to be charged, right. I'm just so tired these 90 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: days of seeing white, wealthy, powerful people do such fucking harm, 91 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: cause such devastation, and nothing happened to them. They just 92 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: get new jobs and are in different positions to be 93 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: able to do the same things over and over again. 94 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: I tweeted this week that I think that Merrick Garland 95 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: may be one of the most ineffectual and week United 96 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: States Attorney generals that we have ever seen. Given every 97 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: bit of information from the insurrection to the coronavirus, he 98 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: has done nothing. This Department of Justice has done nothing. Right. 99 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: We continue to act as if you know, all of 100 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: these deaths are just attributed to God's will, when in 101 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: fact they are not. The political leaders that were in 102 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: charge in twenty twenty failed us, and they knowingly failed us. Right, 103 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: It wasn't oh my god, we have no idea what 104 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: we're doing. We're just trying to do the best that 105 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: we can and people died. No, they received the information, 106 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: they chose not to share it with the public. And 107 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: not only did they not share it, It's not as 108 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: if they were like, oh, we're just gonna zip our mouths. No, 109 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: they did the complete and total opposite of what doctors 110 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: and what scientists were telling them. And that put almost 111 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: a million Americans at risk of death. Eight hundred thousand, folks. 112 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: I keep saying that before the end of the first 113 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: quarter in twenty twenty two, a million Americans, more than 114 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: any other nation, will have died. And we still have 115 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: an entire news network telling people lies while they put 116 00:08:54,800 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: together their own vaccine protocols, their own booster protocols. But 117 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: what they're putting on air is a complete and total opposite. 118 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: And I ask again, where's the FCC. Why aren't these 119 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: people being charged? Why aren't they being fined at the 120 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: very least, why aren't there big blackout screens before every 121 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: Fox anchor goes on that says this is for entertainment 122 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: purposes only. This content you know is rated you know 123 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: whatever you know, rated and rated f rated whatever for 124 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: its lies, for its misguidance, for its misinformation, all of 125 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: these things. It's like we can't even do the bare 126 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: fucking minimum to keep people safe. It isn't just enough 127 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: to come up with the tools and the tactics if 128 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: you're also not fighting against the continued misinformation that is 129 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: responsible for all of these deaths. It is not enough 130 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: to just say, oh, we need to come together without 131 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: pointing the finger and letting people know who is responsible 132 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: for where we are right now. Jonathan will say later 133 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: in our interview that the lockdown measures that happened in 134 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty would be ineffectual now. And why is that 135 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: Because Amicron is a lot more contagious than Alpha was. 136 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: You see, when we were dealing with the og alpha 137 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: COVID variant, right, you could be you needed to be 138 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: in space with people for ten to fifteen minutes, right, 139 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: which is why we said six feet of social distance, 140 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: which is why we said wear a mask. Because there 141 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: was less virus and it took longer for people to 142 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: be infected. Well, thanks to Republicans, thanks to their push 143 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: back to science, thanks to their complete dismissiveness to facts, 144 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: we got into a political war where they decided to 145 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: side with a virus over the health and wellbeing of 146 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: the public. So when we could have mitigated and or 147 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: squashed COVID out with six feet of distance, with wearing masks, 148 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: and with agreeing collectively to lock down for an extended 149 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: period of time to wipe out the alpha. We didn't. 150 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: Then the delta shows up and guess what it was 151 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: more contagious than the alpha version, that you needed less 152 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: time to be in contact with people. And now omnicron 153 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: and what is that saying that basically you could walk 154 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: into your fucking hallway, you could walk out your front door, 155 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: and there is so much virus in the air, and 156 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: it is so so contagious that it is even more 157 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: so contagious than the measles were. And the reality is this, 158 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: we do not know the long terms effects of this virus. 159 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: What Jonathan will tell us is that it exists in 160 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: your body. You're seeing seeing pictures. And I wish that 161 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: they would have put this as PSAs and commercials in 162 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: the same way that they handled smoking back in the 163 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties. Here's a lung free of COVID. Here's a 164 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: lung with COVID. Here are some of the long terms 165 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: effects of what we know to be true, which is 166 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: brain fog, which is fatigue, right that you continue to 167 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: get sick easier because your body is still fighting off 168 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: this virus. But we're not doing that. We're not taking 169 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: this on and waging a campaign against those that are 170 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: doing their fucking damned this to make sure COVID never 171 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: leaves us. We are going into year two with a 172 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: variant that is out of control, and what we know 173 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: is that as quickly as Delta emerged, as quickly as 174 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: amicronover emerged, that there is going to be another variant 175 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: just waiting in the wings that is going to sweep 176 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: the globe as quickly as Amicron did. And that is 177 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: what it's terrifying me is that I'm trying, right, We're 178 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: all trying desperately to get to this holiday season so 179 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: that we can just have a week of reprieve. But 180 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: what is going to follow that week's long gathering with 181 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: our family and with our friends is going to be 182 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: the winter of despair. I'm not telling you not to go, 183 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm not telling you not to have your family over, 184 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: But what I am saying is send them rapid tests 185 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: so that everyone can test before they come in the door. 186 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: Will that mean that you're one hundred percent protected? No, 187 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: but maybe it can give you some ease. The lines 188 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: in New York are hours long to get tested. The 189 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: other day when I went before the holiday party, I 190 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: stood in line for two hours. I hadn't done that 191 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: since twenty twenty. And now people are standing in line 192 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: once again, going on three, four five hours to get tested. 193 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: Test results that were once coming back in a few 194 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: hours are now taking days because the system is so 195 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: fucking overwhelmed. I wish that I could offer to all 196 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: of you where we were in this cycle that we're in, 197 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: if we were at the beginning, the middle, close to 198 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: the end. But with each new variant, with each news report, 199 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: it just seems like we are doing Groundhogs Day here. 200 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: It's like that movie. It just keeps repeating like you're 201 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: waking up or its Memento, and it's just like didn't 202 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: this just happen? That we just keep reliving over and 203 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: over and over again. The first death has been reported, 204 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: it is not going to be the last. And my fear, right, 205 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: my fear, is that what we are going to realize 206 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: is that Omicron is not as quote unquote mild as 207 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: people are saying that it is, that it just takes longer. 208 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm worried that's all. That's all I can say is 209 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: that I am worried. And you know what I am 210 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: trying to do is I am trying to meditate more. 211 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: I am trying to connect with friends and family, you know, 212 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: just call texts, check in with people to see how 213 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: they are doing. Because I am struggling to get through 214 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:25,359 Speaker 1: this week. You know, I really am. I am struggling 215 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: at this point in time in using every single good 216 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: tool that I've been using in my toolbox to just 217 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: keep my spirits up. And it feels like nothing is 218 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: enough right now. And so what I say to you 219 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: is this, give yourselves grace. If you are down, if 220 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: you are depressed, if you are struggling to get out 221 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: of bed, sleep longer. If you are depressed, try and 222 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: reach out to somebody just to connect so that you 223 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: don't feel so isolated in your sadness. If you're able, 224 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: you know, get out and walk and stretch, take a 225 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: long shower, soak in a tub, take considerable breaks from 226 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: the news. If you don't have to watch it, give yourself, 227 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, a timer and say I'm gonna watch this program, 228 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: or I'm gonna go on Twitter, I'm gonna read for 229 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: this amount of time thirty minutes, an hour, and that's it, 230 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: and then pick up another task, do something else that 231 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: allows you to have some type of break. And I 232 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: say that, friends, because I am feeling the weight of 233 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: this moment. I have been taking little breaks, but every 234 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: time that I come back, it's like it's worse than 235 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: when I left, you know, And I know that I'm 236 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: not the only one that feels this way. And so 237 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: if you can pick up a book, right, turn on 238 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: a movie, to just go off into another world for 239 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: a bit, it allows us, you know, to bring our 240 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: quartisol levels down, because that's what rises up in our bodies. 241 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: That that is the stress hormone that you know, Meditation, 242 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: deep breathing, yoga, acupuncture, walking, gardening, you know, playing with 243 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: your pets that helps to release, right and bring down 244 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: those levels because when they are too high, friends, they 245 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: can cause a lot of serious illness. Right, if you're 246 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: feeling you know, you're having a lot of sleepless nights, 247 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: try some you know, melatonin, Try some CBD oils right, 248 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: or tease or tincatures. Just start adding a little bit 249 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: more wellness and awareness into your daily state of being 250 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: so that you were not caught off guard by these 251 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: waves of unease, right because they knocked me down the 252 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: other day. I will tell you that I was sitting 253 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: and talking to a friend and you know, we're waiting 254 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: the fifteen minutes as we were taking our at home tests, 255 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: and I burst into tears. I'm just like, I'm exhausted, 256 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: I'm tired. I'm tired of all of this, right Like, 257 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: I thought we were getting to a place where we 258 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: figured out how we were going to be living with this, 259 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: and now I feel like we're back to square one. 260 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: And she, you know, responded, I know, I know, I 261 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: know it's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay, because 262 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: that's all we can say to one another. Right now, 263 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: give yourself grace, Extend grace to others, you know, try 264 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: and make the best out of this season. Look for 265 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: moments of gratitude. If you're a prayerful person, do that. 266 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: If you're a meditative person, do that. Sit in silence 267 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: and just allow yourself to level out. We will make 268 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: it through, and we will make it through together. Coming 269 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: up next is my conversation our last Woke Wednesday conversation 270 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: with doctor Jonathan Metzel of twenty twenty one I hope 271 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: that you know, you get some important information out of it. 272 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: Share it with your friends, your networks, your families. The 273 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: more that we can spread this information, the more that 274 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: we can share these shows, the better we will all 275 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: be folks. You know that when it is going to 276 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: be Wednesday, I am so excited to be joined by 277 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: our friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metso who 278 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: if you can believe it, this is our last recording 279 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: together of twenty twenty one. We have been recording remote 280 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: for damn near two years and talking about COVID for 281 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: two years. Jonathan. Before we get to where we are presently, 282 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: I want to do a little reflection moment of when 283 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: COVID came on the scene in you know, I guess 284 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: February March of twenty twenty one. It became part of 285 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: our lexicon. Did you believe that we would like? What 286 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: did you think was going to happen? It's funny. I 287 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: was thinking about that exact thing this morning, and several 288 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: memories stood out for me. One was that the night 289 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: before we realized it was a pandemic, but everybody knew 290 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: about it. I was at dinner in a kind of 291 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: random restaurant in Chelsea, and there was a line. It 292 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: was like one of those New York things where it's 293 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: a huge restaurant but there's only one bathroom for like 294 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: nine hundred people, and we're waiting in line to get 295 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: in the bathroom, and everybody's jokingly singing had the Happy 296 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: Birthday song, because at that time, the only thing we 297 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: knew about the virus was if you wash your hands 298 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: and sing the Happy Birthday song twice, that was that's 299 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: what got rid of the virus. And so we were 300 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: all joking and singing Had Birthday, and we were complaining 301 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: that the people in the bathroom were taking so long 302 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: because they had a longer version of the Happy Birthday song. 303 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: And it was kind of a jovial moment of like, oh, 304 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: here's some random thing that's happening to us, and I 305 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: missed those days where like that's all we thought we 306 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: had to do was like wash our hands and sing 307 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: Happy Birthday. And I don't think any of us could 308 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: have seen how that moment in the beginning, And sure 309 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: everybody has stories like this, but everybody was saying, just 310 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: get two weeks worth of food, you know, get enough 311 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: cash if you have to bribe somebody for you know, 312 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: furell or toilet favor for two weeks and and just 313 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: you know whatever. So people were thinking about this the 314 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: way we think about every other illness. Now, I wish 315 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: I could just go back, and like, I wish I 316 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: could just go back and know everything we know now, 317 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: Like it sounds great to be that naive, but now 318 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: it's almost like, I mean, the crazy thing is it's 319 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: it's just um, it's just exponential threat, right, I Mean, 320 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: that's the crazy thing about all this. That Alpha was 321 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: Alpha was terrifying because we didn't have natural immunity, because 322 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: we didn't know the rules, we didn't know what it did. 323 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: But Alpha was like an eight track tape player compared 324 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: to you know, compared to what we have now. Um, 325 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: then Delta seemed like the worst thing ever, which it 326 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: was at the time. It was horrifically fatal for people. 327 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: It was very, very spreadable. But that is like the 328 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: junior varsity compared to now. And so now we've got 329 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: a new as I call it oh micron, which is 330 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: which is just raise the considerably on just how fast 331 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: it spreads, how infectious it is. And so we're in 332 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: the middle of something that we don't know where it's 333 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: going to end. And I think part of the issue 334 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: is that was inconceivable two years ago. Two years ago, 335 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: we felt like everything we knew, every trauma we knew, 336 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: nine to eleven war, civil rights movement, everything had a 337 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: like a beginning and a middle and an end. And 338 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: so to be in the middle of something that is TVD, 339 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: I think is as stressful and as anxiety causing as 340 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: is just the fear of everything that's happening around us. 341 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: You know, It's it's really interesting because you know, as 342 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: we come to the end of the year, it is 343 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: very natural to go through these different reflection moments, right like, 344 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: how did the year treat me? What? You know, what? 345 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: What what's transpired? And I've been going back, you know, 346 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: beyond the beginning of twenty twenty one, two twenty twenty 347 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: because I feel like we're locked in some type of 348 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: crazy loop right now, right where it seems like things 349 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: get better, then they get worse, then they get better, 350 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: then they get fucking worse. So between alpha to delta, 351 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: the thing that I've noticed about the virus is that 352 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: it gets each with each iteration that becomes it becomes 353 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: increasingly spreadable. Right, so from alpha to delta, they're like, 354 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: this is spreading more, this is spreading faster. Then you 355 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: go from delta to omicron and it's just like holy shit. 356 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: You can walk out of your apartment and like and 357 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: and and get this. And it seems to me, Jonathan, 358 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: that do you feel like it's becoming inevitable that everyone 359 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: is going to contract COVID at some time? Because I 360 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: can tell you that for the friends that I have 361 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: who are vaccinated boosted, there are a number of people 362 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: who have contracted it now who have either had no 363 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: symptoms to mild symptoms to being knocked out for days. 364 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: And these are people again that are vaccinated and boosted. 365 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: So are we just at the stage of this where 366 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: it's inevitable that this is going that this is going 367 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: to continue to mutate, Which you say that it mutates, 368 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: it's mutating every second, every moment, and that that's just 369 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: what we're going to be living with. Well, I certainly 370 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: think you're right. I mean, the devirus is always competing 371 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: with itself for which can spread faster. We're above Measles 372 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: territory right now, and so whatever wants to beat out 373 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: the big oh as I call it, is going to 374 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: have to get you through your text message or your 375 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: email or something, because this thing is just in the air. 376 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: And so part of the issue is You're absolutely right, 377 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: it is spreading much faster. But I cannot say this 378 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: strongly enough and we've been talking about this for a while. 379 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 1: Don't get the virus right now, even though it's an 380 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: inevitable even if it feels like everybody is getting it 381 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: around you. It's so important right now. And I'll tell 382 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: you why that is now. You can't help it right 383 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm doing outdoor dining tonight, and I don't 384 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: know with omicron, like what how does it spread outside? 385 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: We don't know that yet. I have to go down 386 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: and get my mail. Like every everyday risk becomes every 387 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: day becomes a risk, and so it's always a calculus. 388 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: But I can say that that is not a reason 389 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: right now to let your guard down. And I say 390 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: that for a couple of reasons. Number one is that 391 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: even if people's symptoms are mild, now, we don't know 392 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: what oh micron does for long COVID. And that's the issue, 393 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: right This virus lives in your body like shingles or 394 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: some other stuff. You know, it lives in your body, 395 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: and so we don't know what the long term effects are. 396 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: Even if it's mild, it could still have long term effects. 397 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: And so you don't want a virus living in your body. 398 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: That's number one, So keep masking, keep doing all the stuff. 399 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: Number two is number two is like, right now is 400 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: a bad time to get sick, because honestly, everybody's getting sick. 401 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: And so as we know that testing centers are overflowing, 402 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: the clinics are overflowing, the hospitals are overflowing, hospitalizations when 403 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: at fifty percent, and so you also don't want to 404 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: get sick when everybody else is getting sick if you 405 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: can help it. So those are those are the two 406 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: arguments I think against getting COVID right now, which again 407 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: I really strongly think people shouldn't do. The flip side 408 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: in the long run is I don't know. I mean, 409 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to We're gonna encounter this at some point, 410 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: and so again now is not the time, not the 411 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: time to do it. But I just keep thinking about 412 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: like during the Spanish flu, for example, the people who 413 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: like played it the most safe, kind of like me, 414 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: didn't have any antibodies to anything. They are the ones 415 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: they didn't do well. The people who were like out 416 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: there toughing it out and stuff like that, they ended 417 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: up developing a natural immunity. Also, now we don't need 418 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: to I mean, it's it's a risk for your life 419 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: right now. But there's going to have to be some 420 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: balance going forward. And again there's new treatment, there's new 421 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: knowledge coming on the way. So now is not the 422 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: time to get sick. But I do think we're going 423 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: to have to go into a state of you know, 424 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: this is just our reality right as we know. So 425 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: it's just every time the virus changes, it changes our reality. 426 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: Can I say one more thing? That was like an 427 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: answer I realized. But the other issue is part of 428 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: the risk is medical, but part of the risk is 429 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: social that every new iteration of the virus, every new 430 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: iteration of the virus, changes the social and political landscape. 431 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: In other words, it made sense to lock down for Alpha, 432 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: but locking down because it really did actually make sense 433 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: because of the way Alpha spread. But the response of 434 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: locking down and masks and all those things set off 435 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: a political chain of events that was incredibly tribalizing and 436 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: really almost catastrophic for our country Delta. Then the virus 437 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: changed its properties, and you could see our politics change 438 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: around it in a certain way. And so I feel 439 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: like with every iteration of the virus, our politics become 440 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: more contested, more tribal, and so it's almost like we're 441 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: mutating along with the virus in a political sense, and 442 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: it does lead us towards some really bad outcomes in 443 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: a way. And so it's not just about the virus, 444 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: is also about the ways humans and political systems and 445 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: infrastructures respond to these mutations. You know. That's such a 446 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: good point, Jonathan, And I really like the way that 447 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: you phrased it, that the fact is that our politics 448 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: are mutating in a way that is just as dangerous, 449 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: frankly as the virus is. And one of the questions 450 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: that I've been you know, asking with experts like you 451 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: and you know, and to colleagues on Twitter, is if 452 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: if politics were taken out of it right, And and 453 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: the thing is is that we keep finding out each 454 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: and every week more and more information about what it 455 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: was that the Trump administration did in order to essentially 456 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: ensure that as many people as possible would get sick. 457 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: Like that that is how I'm framing it, Because there's 458 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: no other way to say that you're given this information 459 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: about a global health pandemic and then you've choosen your choke. 460 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 1: You've chosen to do the absolute and complete opposite of 461 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: what every doctor and scientist has said that you should do, 462 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: and no one is going to be held accountable for it. 463 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: So I can get as angry as I want, but 464 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: nobody's going to jail for over eight hundred thousand American 465 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: deaths when in fact that they should because there is actual, 466 00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 1: you know, factual evidence pointing into the direction of willful negligence. 467 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: But I say this that if politics were taken out 468 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: of it and we have this new variant right right now, 469 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: would we should we be going into a lockdown? Is 470 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: this a self quarantine situation? Which is which is potentially 471 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: what is going to be happening in New York right 472 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: like we're people are saying, like the bars are empty. 473 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: I think it was David Gore from who tweeted and 474 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: said the bars are empty and the lines for city 475 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,959 Speaker 1: MD are like miles long, right, So are we going 476 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: to be heading into a If politics had taken out 477 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: of it and doctors and scientists had been running the 478 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: show right now, would we be going back into a lockdown. 479 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: It's funny because we know so much more than we 480 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: did when we went into that initial lockdown. We know 481 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: so much more about the virus its effects, and so 482 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: I really don't think that going back into lockdown the 483 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,959 Speaker 1: way we did in twenty twenty isn't the cards, nor 484 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: should it be, because with this version of the virus, 485 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: a lockdown itself isn't going to do the work that 486 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: it did in twenty twenty, and so part of the 487 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: issue is to learn how to why is that wait 488 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: before you go on why why? Just so people can 489 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: understand why wouldn't a lockdown be as effective as it 490 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: was in twenty twenty March of twenty twenty as it 491 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: could be. Now this is going to be a horror 492 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,479 Speaker 1: movie territory, But in twenty twenty, with the alpha variant, 493 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: you needed to be exposed for about fifteen minutes, and 494 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: so there was no chance you were going to get 495 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: it walking through your lobby or from your mailman, or 496 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: you give it to your mailman or things like that, 497 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: in other words, distancing people. And the other thing is 498 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: the alpha variant didn't travel more than six to eight 499 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: feet in the air, and so you could social distance. 500 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: There are all these things that were very effective. And 501 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: I can't say this strongly enough. If the pandemic had 502 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: stopped at the end of the alpha variant, which of 503 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: course it didn't, we would be in a totally different 504 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: space politically right now in a way because because because 505 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: of all this, so but so, we had the right 506 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: strategy for the alpha variant, we really did at the time. 507 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: And also we didn't know anything but that that's not 508 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: going to work right now. We've seen that shutting down 509 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: the economy is bad. I mean, I'm thinking bars should 510 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: go give martiniz to people in line at CityMD or something. 511 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: You know, there's got to be a way to keep 512 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: the bars in business. But I think that there's economic effects. 513 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: I also think that given the way that this virus 514 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: hangs in the air, the way that it's transmitted and 515 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: things like that, unless you're I don't know, I think 516 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: like it's probably easier for somebody like me, as a 517 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: single American to like isolate myself a little bit more 518 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: easily or something like that. But we we engage with 519 00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: other people, we're dependent on other people, and and so 520 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: I just think that that strategy is going to take 521 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: a back seat in a way, even though in a 522 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: way that chaotic total lockdown, maybe maybe that, I mean, 523 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: in a way we overreacted to that, But now we're 524 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: under reacting to this. I think that's totally possible. Do 525 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: you think we're under reacting to this? I mean, this 526 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: is by far the most dangerous threat we've had, and 527 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: January is going to be the worst month of the 528 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: pandemic by far. There's a chance we're gonna have a 529 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: million infections a day. So so yeah, I think no. 530 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: But I say that, Jonathan, because Yeah, the thing that 531 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: I think people keep hanging onto with this is that 532 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: the symptoms are mild, right, that we're not like, while 533 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: hospitalizations are going up, and again this is a with 534 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: large regard to unvaccinated people, but vaccinated and boosted people 535 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: are still getting this, but they're not dying at the 536 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: same rate, and so like, is it wrong to say 537 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: that while this is more contagious, it's not as lethal 538 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: or do we or has it not been around long 539 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: enough for us to really say that it's not as lethal? Okay, 540 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: let me just preface this by saying, I'm a happy person. 541 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: I love puppies. Daffodils are amazing. I love I love 542 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: a sunny day in a warm wheat field. So I'm 543 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: not a total downer, except when you say, oh, the 544 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: big O is mild. Talk to me in two weeks. 545 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: Talk to me in three weeks, because that's really going 546 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 1: to be the issue. The information came out right away 547 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,959 Speaker 1: that this was this version was mild quote unquote bad 548 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: word choice, and the reason was because it was where 549 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: it was spreading in South Africa, was people were not 550 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: getting hospitalized or dying as much. Now the reason that 551 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: was happening we don't know for sure yet, but part 552 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: of it is that everybody there had had COVID probably 553 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: multiple times, or been exposed to it many, many times, 554 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: and so they had a kind of form of natural immunity. 555 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: Plus about half the people were vaccinated, and so in 556 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: a way, that was a very particular setting. And in 557 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: a small study in London they found that it was 558 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: no less and sometimes even more dangerous than the delta 559 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: variant for people who were at least in this one 560 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: town in London. And I think that's what Denmark is 561 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: going to show also. And so the question of is 562 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,919 Speaker 1: it more mild, I think is not quite certain yet. 563 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: I don't think we know, And I think that the 564 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: question is if people have been dramatically exposed to earlier 565 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: versions of COVID and also were vaccinated, it's certainly going 566 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 1: to be mild for them. If they're NFL athletes who 567 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: are in incredible shape and getting tested every single day 568 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: and have all been vaccinated three times, it's probably going 569 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: to be mild for them. But for America, I have 570 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: to say, we are facing something really major in the 571 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: next four to six weeks, and hopefully this is a 572 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: mild version. I hope that's great, But I would also 573 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: say that there's enough data right now that's not pointing 574 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: that way that we should not just jump out and 575 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: have a you know, a micron party and everybody get it, 576 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: because we don't know yet, and we also don't know 577 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: what the impact is for long COVID, So there's enough 578 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: of a red flag there that I think just thinking 579 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: of it as mild is not the time to let 580 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: your guard down, you know. And I the reason why 581 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: I say that because I'm mimicking what mainstream media is saying, right, 582 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: I'm mimicking what every news you know, station and show 583 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: has been saying, which is that it's spreading rampant. I 584 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: think Fauci had said the the O variant has already 585 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: overtaken delta. We are at seventy three percent. I think 586 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: of the infections are of the omicron variety. And the 587 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: reality is, though, Jonathan, this is this is where I 588 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: think things are getting really troubling, is that people like 589 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: myself are like, I cannot wait for this week to 590 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: be done just so that we can have like a 591 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: little bit of like for me, I will not be 592 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: watching the news for a week. I will be with 593 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,280 Speaker 1: my you know, with a small portion of my family, 594 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: because we have already decided that Christmas is once again 595 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: not going to look like we thought that it was 596 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: going to look unless everybody is doing rapid testing at 597 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: the door and did a PCR beforehand and like what 598 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: have you. But the reality is is that emotionally, I 599 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: think we're all hanging on by a fucking thread. You know, 600 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: Biden is speaking tonight to the nation, and he's not 601 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: the most no charismatic guy, but I will say that 602 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,280 Speaker 1: now is a time to talk to humanity, to share humanity, 603 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: because I think we've fallen into a trap which is 604 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: on both sides. Right when you hear somebody is not 605 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: getting the vaccine, we jump to the conclusion that they 606 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: just want the virus, or that they're a bad person, 607 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: that there's a very strong moral component to that or 608 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: and certainly our politics makes you think that way, and 609 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: and vice versa in a particular way. And so a 610 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: lot of people are suffering right now, and a lot 611 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: of people are feeling a kind of PTSD and a 612 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: kind of sense of letdown about the future they imagined, 613 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,919 Speaker 1: about the about the fact that we've worked so hard 614 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: just to get to this point, no matter what side 615 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 1: of this spectrum politically you're on, we worked really hard 616 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: just to survive to this point. And the fact that 617 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: now we're facing this situation again is profoundly demoralizing. And 618 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: so I really think Biden needs to speak to that 619 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: human component. Right this is not a time to cast 620 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen plenty of blame in terms of 621 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: political decisions and just everything about Twitter and stuff like that. 622 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: It's right there, there's no mystery, but right now, like 623 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: we don't have a language for shared trauma, for shared humanity, 624 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: for this sense that, like I teach college students, they're wondering, like, 625 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: what is the future what is the future, what are 626 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: the world? What's the world going to look like? And 627 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 1: I think everybody's thinking that in terms of just this 628 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 1: and the next phase of their life. And so in 629 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: a way, we need that kind of language right now, 630 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: in part because we don't know where this is going, 631 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: but in part because like we're all experiencing it and 632 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: there's no there's no venue or language to talk about it. 633 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: So I hope, I hope he rises to the occasion tonight, 634 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 1: and if not, I hope somebody does. Yeah, I gotta 635 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,879 Speaker 1: tell you, you know, shared trauma is right right. I 636 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: have been talking to so many you know, so many 637 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: people over the course of the last couple of weeks, 638 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: and I just can't believe where we were on Thanksgiving 639 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one to where we are, you know, as 640 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: we head into the Christmas holiday, how rapidly things have unraveled. 641 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,359 Speaker 1: The last question for you, Jonathan, is around this four 642 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: to six week lag that we're looking at. And we 643 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: heard from jensak White House Press Secretary that this is 644 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 1: going to be, you know, a long winter of death 645 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: and illness for the unvaccinated. But again, it is not 646 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: just the unvaccinated that are getting sick that they are 647 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: breakthrough cases we have, you know, just this week, Senators 648 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: Warren Booker have breakthrough cases of COVID. What is your 649 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: message for people as we're going into this gathering season 650 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: where there are you know, travel is up thirty four percent. 651 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: You know people are going home, you know they're making 652 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: the choice to be with their family. It's been a 653 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: really long tough time. UM. What is your advice to 654 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: those to those people as we move into what you're 655 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 1: saying and what we know to be true a really 656 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: precarious UM part of this this new surge. Well, I 657 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: really think it has to be we're all in this together. 658 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: I mean that that really it seems almost naive at 659 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 1: this point to think about that, UM, because this has 660 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: been so politicized, UM, and and there has to be 661 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 1: a way to step back from that. I just think 662 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: that I just I really think that I'm tired of 663 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: fighting about this. I know people who are not vaccinated, 664 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 1: and they're not bad people. They're they're they don't we 665 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 1: don't agree about political stuff, and and I feel like 666 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: their politics is leaving them in a very different different 667 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: recnation than mine. But I just think we've we've we've 668 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 1: this level of fear as led to a kind of 669 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: demonization which is reinforced by all the algorithms through which 670 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: we engage with each other, social media and things like that. 671 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: And there has to be a way to get back 672 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: to some kind of language of empathy. And I believe me, 673 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: can't even believe these words are coming out of my mouth, 674 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, on the guy who wrote dying a whiteness. 675 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: But I think that we're facing a tsunami, a tidal way. 676 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: But the next month is going to be really hard, 677 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,280 Speaker 1: and if we don't get some common national resolve in 678 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 1: some form or other, in some way, we are really 679 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 1: going to be facing some really dire situation. And I 680 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: think that also on the flip side, what sociologists call 681 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 1: social capital is what we need right now. We need 682 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: a sense that our neighbors are looking at for us 683 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: and vice versa. And so in a way, now is 684 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: the time to think about is there a way to 685 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 1: break down this stuff and think about some language of 686 00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: common good that again, because I think we are we're 687 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: facing you know, a Pearl Harbor kind of situation, um 688 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: at nine to eleven kind of situation. Whatever, you know, 689 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: moment brought us together and it seems impossible to imagine, 690 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 1: but in a month, that's where we're going to be. 691 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: And so I really think that that now is the 692 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: time to start thinking about is there a way we 693 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: can break out of this fingerpointing mess we've gotten ourselves into? 694 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 1: And how is that even possible? Jonathan, I just don't know, 695 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: I really am I know, you know, it seems it 696 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: seems impossible. Yeah, um, it does. It feels impossible. It 697 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:42,880 Speaker 1: seems completely overwhelming. Uh And I really I wish for 698 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: everyone to be as safe and as healthy and as 699 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: thoughtful as possible as I know all that listened to 700 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,320 Speaker 1: woke af have been an r but my god, Pearl 701 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: Harbor nine to eleven tsunami, you couldn't have picked, like, 702 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, any good movie or any good you know, 703 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:10,359 Speaker 1: good Gremlins too. Uh Well, Jonathan, I wish for you 704 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 1: as the year comes to a close, some time for peace, 705 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 1: some time for relaxation and recharging, because something tells me 706 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,760 Speaker 1: that twenty twenty two is going to be an extension 707 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, which was an extension of twenty 708 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: twenty and that we're going to be in this for 709 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 1: the long call, So take whatever break it is that 710 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,279 Speaker 1: you're giving to yourself and I wish you some form 711 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: of happy holiday season. No same, I mean, I'll just 712 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: be here hunkering down in Brooklyn. If anybody out there 713 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: in television America as around, we can go for a 714 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: walk in four Green Park or something. But no, well, 715 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: I'll just be here, you know, um working my way 716 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,760 Speaker 1: through my m my stockpiled peanut butter from the first 717 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,920 Speaker 1: round of eld stuff. So thank you, Jonathan. As always, 718 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: we appreciate you and your insight and have just a 719 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: lot of gratitude for the last two years of conversation 720 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: with you. Hope that we can continue. We absolutely will 721 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 1: take care. That is it for me today. Here folks 722 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: on Woke f daily as always. Power to the people 723 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 1: and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay 724 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: woke as fuck.