1 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Weston hod Koitz. We're coming 4 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: to you here from our studios at Lambeufield. Wes here 5 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: to talk about Packer's Family Night. It took place on 6 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: Saturday evening inside Lambellfield. More than sixty thousand fans was 7 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: the official attendance. And I'll just start with this. I've 8 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: covered a lot of family nights over the years, been 9 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: to more than my share, and they all start to 10 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: run together after a while. Unfortunately, the ones that we 11 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: usually remember are for bad reasons, like when Brian Beloga 12 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: tours ACL or when Mason and Crosby had a horrible 13 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: night and we all thought he was going to be 14 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: replaced as the Packers kicker. 15 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 2: Was the same night? 16 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: Was it? That? Was that that same night? 17 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? 18 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking they were with back to best seat. 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: That's what I mean by it all runs together. I 20 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: thought those were back to back years. Actually those were 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: on the same night. Okay, Well, anyway, My point is 22 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: we usually don't remember family nights for good reasons or 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: really exciting things. But I'm gonna remember this one because 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: of that young man who was in front of those 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: sixty thousand fans and was catching those punts like nobody's 26 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: business man. What a night, what a what an event, 27 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: what an activity, and a lifetime memory for that young 28 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: football player from Wapawon, Wisconsin, just down the road. 29 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: I was doing my little walk down to the locker 30 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: room with Rob Dumovsky match Schneidman after the practice and 31 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: what was that after the game, and we were kind 32 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: of like, so what happened tonight? Like what was the 33 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: big storyline? And we all agreed it was that young 34 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: dude from upon, like we should have him at the 35 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: podium because sometimes like when there's a big game that 36 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: guys have Aaron Jones, you know, four touchdowns or Shan 37 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: Gary three sacks, they'll go to the podium in addition 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: to the quarterback and the head coach. We should have 39 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 2: had that dude fucking there too. Get a little stepping 40 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: stool he can get up on the podium. 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely, boy. 42 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, though, have you ever seen, especially 43 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: in a family night practice, a sideline come alive the 44 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: way that the Packers did. Jordan Love running out there. 45 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: Those guys were fired up. 46 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: Man, everybody was just so geeked for this kid. And 47 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: you know, watching Rich Bisaccia, who can be kind of 48 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: a stoic, cerebral serious man, just come on glued for 49 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: him and everybody. Once the kid had the two, everybody 50 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: wanted him to get the third one. 51 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, nobody wanted that third hit the 52 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: ground like yeah, it was, it was, it was. It 53 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: was impressive. I give him a lot of credit. He 54 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: had he had those first two, he shoved him over 55 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: into his left arm, had him cradled there, and then 56 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: he managed to pin the third one kind of on 57 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: his chest and against the other footballs like right in 58 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 1: the you know, the same moment. Man. He couldn't have 59 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: drawn it up anybody. 60 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: No, it was fun. And to hear the crowd, you know, 61 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: over more than sixty thousand people in attendance respond to 62 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: that and just get that type of ovation. I mean, 63 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: that's a memory that's gonna last a lifetime for him. 64 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: But by and large, I thought it brought a lot 65 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: of energy to lambeau Field as well on one of 66 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: the most fun nights of the year. 67 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: Well as far as the actual Packers players are concerned, 68 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: I thought we kind of go through family, just back 69 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: and forth talking about who we thought stood out here 70 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: and there, starting with the offensive side of the ball. 71 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: For me, I thought Jordan Love got off to a 72 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: fast start in that practice. I thought early on in 73 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: the eleven on elevens things were really clicking, especially with 74 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: regard to play action passes. He was finding some throwing 75 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: lanes and having his way with the defense a little bit. 76 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: That started to shift later on, as we'll talk about 77 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: I knew you wrote about Romeo Dobbs. He was very 78 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: impressive once again continuing a very strong training camp, and 79 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: I'll let you expand on that as well. But another 80 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: guy that actually we didn't really write or talk too 81 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: much about it when we did our three things and 82 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: the stories we wrote and whatnot, But I thought Sean 83 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: Clifford had a pretty solid night. Not to say that 84 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: everything went perfect or that he was lighting things up 85 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: or whatnot, but there were moments in that practice where 86 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: I felt like Sean Clifford was was, I guess, I 87 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: would say, more in command of the offense and everything 88 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: that was going out there. Then maybe we had seen 89 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: in some places earlier in camp or during the spring, 90 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: and I thought it was. I thought it was a 91 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: really nice step forward for him with the preseason now 92 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: where we're expecting him to play quite a bit. The 93 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: preseason now is right around the cour. 94 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: Well, and there is a big difference when you're taking 95 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: on that number two defense as opposed to having you know, 96 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 2: Rashaun Gary breathing down your neck, you know, quite a 97 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: bit just because he is Rashaun Gary. And I feel 98 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: like since Sean went back, you know, with that number 99 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: two unit here over the past week and a half, 100 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 2: you've seen a difference in him, particularly in those two 101 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: minute periods. He was not without flaw. In the final 102 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: drive of practice on Saturday, almost got picked by Robert Rochelle, 103 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 2: but he survived that and led the offense down to 104 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: accomplish what they needed to accomplish, which was getting into 105 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: field goal range. And again I think he was five 106 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: to nine on that series, fifty two yards maybe somewhere 107 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: around there, and got him in the position that they 108 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: wanted to get into, although they did push back the 109 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: kicks to try a longer attempt when Andras Carlson and 110 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: Greg Joseph did go on the field. So this quarterback 111 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: battle in seeing how it all plays out. I always 112 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: tell people don't rush to conclusions and what you see, 113 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 2: and that goes for whether it's Jordan Love, Sean Clifford, 114 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: or Michael Pratt, because this death as a marathon, and 115 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: if you are not even at the preseason games yet, 116 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: you really have not learned a whole lot other than 117 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: just seeing maybe some of the adverse moments that guys 118 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: have gone through and how they respond to it. So 119 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: Clifford is a guy that has been here, I thought, 120 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: put together a tremendous training camp, a tremendous offseason to 121 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: run away with that number two job last year. 122 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 123 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: And while I think Michael Pratt has done some good things, 124 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: seeing Clifford still run with the twos and Pratt with 125 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: the threes shows you just how much of a difference 126 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: there can be as opposed to, you know, having a 127 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: full year in the system and understanding exactly what Matt 128 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: Lafluur is looking for. 129 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think as this training camp moves forward now, 130 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: the from what we've heard anyway from Matt Lafleur, it 131 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: sounds like the installation phase of the playbook is pretty 132 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: much done. So now you're going to get into reviewing 133 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: things there's going to be even more of the situational 134 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: stuff in some respects. You know, they'll be doing some 135 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: preparing for the preseason games, particularly with those reserve units. 136 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: And I'll be interested to see the steps forward that 137 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: these backup quarterbacks takes. As that you know, the basic 138 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: installs of the offense are done, I think that can 139 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: start to free up the mind a little bit, maybe 140 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: not quite so much thinking and just reacting and playing 141 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: football out there. And I'm eager to see what those 142 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: young guys do, because the talent with both of those 143 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: quarterbacks is evident. It's it's just about continuing to progress, 144 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: to gain, to gain the command, to gain the command 145 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: of the offense, both sort of physically and mentally well. 146 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: And the way I like in it too is it's 147 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: almost like you got the undergraduate degree with everything. 148 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: You know. 149 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: Both of those guys played a huge number of snaps, 150 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: a huge number of games in college, basically full starters 151 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: their entire time they were in college. 152 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: Both had forty plus college start Yeah, but. 153 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: Once you finally transition over to the National Football League, 154 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: now you're in the graduate school. I mean, now you're 155 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: starting to learn the ins and outs of an NFL 156 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: offense and how quickly things speed up. And you know, 157 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: Sean Clifford is such a gamer. I've always I felt 158 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: like that's what makes him a really good prospect as 159 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: a backup quarterback because he can enter into that chaos 160 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: and he can find production, he can find success. How 161 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: does Michael Pratt respond to those moments? Both of those guys. 162 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: I don't know how much we're going to see Jordan 163 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: Love this preseason. I'm sure that's the question that is 164 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: going to be asked day in and day out this week. 165 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 2: But by and large, the preseason is going to belong 166 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: to Sean Clifford, with getting some Michael pract you know, 167 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: sprinkled in there as well. So that's where this test comes. 168 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 2: And if you go back and look at what Jordan 169 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: Love did when he was shadowing you know, Aaron Rodgers 170 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: for those three years, at least two years that he 171 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: had the preseason with it, he had to make the 172 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 2: most of those chances. And now this will be Clifford's opportunity. 173 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know if there's another player on 174 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball for the Packers that 175 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: looks more ready for Week one right now than Romeo Dobbs. 176 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: That guy looks like he could go out and you know, 177 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: like he did in the Dallas playoff game, you know, 178 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: nine catches for one hundred and fifty yards or whatever. 179 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: He looks like he'd go out and do that tomorrow. 180 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so many people have tried to draw comparisons with 181 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: him a lot of times two Packers receivers. I didn't 182 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: cover the beginning of Jordan Nelson's time with the Packers. 183 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: I didn't cover full on as a full time writer. 184 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: You know, Randall cobbs first few seasons. But what strikes 185 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: me about Dobbs and why I don't think there's a 186 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 2: great comp for him, is that he came in as 187 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: a rookie fourth round pick two years ago and looked 188 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: like a legitimate NFL receiver from day one. I'm not 189 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: saying he did everything perfect, but just how calm and 190 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: cool and collected he was, and how he handled that 191 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: adversity year one when both him and Christian Watson were 192 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: sort of thrown out there with all the other injuries 193 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: and things that happened with this receiving court. And since 194 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 2: then he has just continued to expand his resume. But 195 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 2: the number one thing when people ask me about Romeo 196 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 2: Dobbs or all these different receivers, that just jumps out 197 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: of the page about him is how proficient he is 198 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: in the red zone. It shouldn't be that easy, Michael. 199 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: You will have thousand yard receivers in the National Football 200 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: League that'll have one or two touchdown catches an entire season. Yeah, 201 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: because that's just not a part of their game. Romeo Dobbs, 202 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: whether it was on that goal line fade that he 203 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: caught over Keshawn Nixon, whether it was on the slant 204 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 2: that he ran before that, the guy has just an 205 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 2: unquantifiable ability to find space, and even when he doesn't, 206 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: he gets his hands on footballs and finds touchdowns. When 207 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: you talk about what you want in a National Football 208 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: League receiver, the way he carries himself, the way he 209 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 2: runs routes, the way his hands have been since the 210 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: day he walked in the building. I don't know what 211 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 2: it equates to. I don't know what the numbers are 212 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: gonna look like. But when number eighty seven is on 213 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 2: the field for the Green Bay Packers, you feel really 214 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: good about their offensive chances. 215 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Romeo Dobbs is He's practically the definition of a 216 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: receiver who attacks the football. He doesn't catch the football, 217 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: he attacks it and and that's the thing that stands 218 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: out about him that is so impressive. Hard at this point, 219 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, we're two weeks into training camp, really hard 220 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: to get a sense of where things are with the 221 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: Packers running game. Obviously, we've talked before about in earlier 222 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: episodes on the show about some of the shuffling going 223 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: on in the offensive line. The good news there, it 224 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: sounds like Zach Tom will be back in eleven on 225 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: eleven drills this week, according to Matt le Floor when 226 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: he was asked about that after the family night workout. So, 227 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: getting Zach Tom back as you're starting right tackle, hopefully 228 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: that can help to stabilize some things. And when we 229 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: get into the preseason games, you know, I know the starters, 230 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: if they're gonna play, they're not gonna play a whole bunch. 231 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: But it's really not until the preseason games that we 232 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: get an idea of where the Packers are with their 233 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: running game, because then it's finally the live tackling and 234 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: and you know things are are for real. It's so 235 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: hard to tell. It just does it just doesn't feel 236 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: like this Packers ground game has has gotten itself established 237 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: like where where it wants to be and and Josh 238 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: Jacobs has missed some practices. That's certainly a factor there 239 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: as well. But that's gonna be something I'll be keeping 240 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: my eye on as as we get closer to the 241 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: to the preseason games. Here. On the defensive side of 242 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: the ball, we've already mentioned his name, Rashaun Gary. There 243 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: hasn't been a backup right tackle on this Packers offensive 244 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: line that can block him. I mean, let's just be honest. 245 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: They've all they've been rotating different guys in Zach Tom's absence, 246 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: and they've all had their trouble with Rashaan Gary. So 247 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: that's the other matchup to watch here moving forward is 248 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: now that Zach Tom will be back at right tackle. 249 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: You know, how how does he do against Rashaun Gary. 250 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: I thought in the defensive back field a few guys 251 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: really stood out to me in terms of their play 252 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: on Saturday night. I thought Eric Stokes had a defent 253 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: night at corner. I thought Javon Bullard really showed some 254 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: aggression attacking the ball from the defensive side of things, 255 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: breaking up a couple of passes and I'll give another 256 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: tip of the cap to uh to Kylan King, the 257 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: rookie seventh round pick out of Penn State. I was watching, 258 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: I know, you had your binoculars on and you were 259 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: watching the offensive defensive line one on ones that were 260 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: way at one end of the field. I was watching 261 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: the pass catcher, pass defender one on ones that were 262 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: in the that were in the other end zone. And 263 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: Kaylan King he goes out there, he's he's he's a 264 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: slot guy for a couple of one on one reps. Now, 265 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: slot cornerback one on one in the end zone, You've 266 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: got no chance. I mean, you know, when you're an 267 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: outside corner, okay, you take inside leverage, you make the 268 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: guy run the fade, and then you try to defend 269 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: the fade. Right, Well, if you're in the slot and 270 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: it's a one on one in the end zone and 271 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: there's nobody else out there, there's nothing you can I mean, 272 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: it is it is way too easy for these quarterbacks 273 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: and receivers to hook up for a touchdown. And King 274 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: gave up a couple of touchdowns on his first couple 275 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: of reps, and it looked like, you know things just 276 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't quite into it. Well. Then by 277 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: the end of that drill he did get a pass 278 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: breakup on I believe it was his third rep and 279 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: the one on ones in the end zone. And as 280 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: I've as I, you know, I said with caylen King 281 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: when he got the interception of Jordan Love earlier in 282 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: training camp, when that young guy makes a play, then suddenly, 283 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: like you know, his game starts to rise, his game 284 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: goes to another level. And I thought we saw him 285 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: really getting after it in the eleven on eleven and 286 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: I thought it was, you know, kind of his pass 287 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: breakup at the end of the one on ones that 288 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: that sparked him a little bit. And and again for 289 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: a young guy crowded position room trying to make his 290 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: way see where he fits, you know, earn a place 291 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: on this roster and on this team, I thought he 292 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: had another He acquitted himself pretty well for the first 293 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: time under the lights at Lambo. 294 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: To expand this out to the entire secondary, I feel 295 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: like the Packers have gotten what they wanted out of 296 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: this draft class in terms of being able to push 297 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: the guys that have already been on this roster, looking 298 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: specifically at safety first, Matt Lafleur talking last week about 299 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: the camp that Anthony Johnson Junior has put together as 300 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: a guy that's trying to sort of defend a potential 301 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: starting position in the secondary after being there for most 302 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: of the off season program. The thing that I get 303 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: a kick out of is that whenever time they put 304 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: in Bullard like they did on Saturday Night, or they 305 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: have Evan Williams in there, it just seems like whoever 306 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: the safety has been, I've walked away from that practice 307 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: going yeah, that could be the guy, and then the 308 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: next guy comes in and does something good. They all 309 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: offer something different. What's gonna help Williams and Bullard is 310 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: the fact that they have that versatility to play the slot. 311 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: I think we very easily could see either of them 312 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: in the dime at some point as well, absolutely, just 313 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: based on what their credentials are and their ability to 314 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: move down. But looking at cornerback, it's such a unique 315 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: position because that was the one that Green Bay didn't address. 316 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: They drafted three safeties before they drafted a cornerback. They 317 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: waited until day three, fourth the last pick I believe 318 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: it was to draft King and this guy, Mike. It 319 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: happens all the time in the league. You see it. 320 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: Guys like Micah Hyde. They don't run the world's fastest 321 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: forty time, and everybody kind of puts them in a box. 322 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: But it's how do they play the game? Do they 323 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: play at that speed or do they play faster? What 324 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: has impressed me about King is just how quickly he plays, 325 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: And you are one hundred percent right when the confidence 326 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: is there, when the snowball starts building, this guy gets 327 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: faster and faster and more confident and triggers even quicker. 328 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: And when he's made plays, that's when he's doing it. 329 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 2: He's triggering, and I could see why. That's why the 330 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: Packers feel like that could potentially be a good spot 331 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: for him in the slot, because it's allowing him to 332 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 2: use his body more and it's allowing him to use 333 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: those deductive skills to go out there and do it. 334 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: Preseason is gonna be a huge challenge. That's gonna be 335 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 2: the next step for him. The joint practice with Denver. 336 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch it. But for the Green 337 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 2: Bay Packers to invest the resources that they did in 338 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: the draft in that safety and secondary, in cornerback, the secondary, 339 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: I love everything I've seen because all these guys, I've 340 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 2: looked at them and said to myself, that's what you 341 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: want to see in terms of being able to rise 342 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 2: the standard in that room. 343 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to. There's you know, we always talk 344 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: about the short memory and things like that at cornerback, 345 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: and that's something that anybody who plays that position you 346 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: have to learn. You have to have that mentality. There's 347 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: also a fearlessness you have to have to play that position. 348 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: You can't be you can't be afraid that you're gonna 349 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: get flagged for past interference or some kind of contact. 350 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. I mean, nobody's gonna go through a 351 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: season or even a month, you know, flag free. At 352 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: that position, you have to have the fearlessness. And we 353 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: saw that. We saw sort of that level of fearlessness 354 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: early on last year with Carrington Valentine as a seventh 355 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: rounder when he got thrown into the mix because of 356 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: the injuries and he was playing in games like more 357 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: than we ever expected. I'm seeing a little bit of that, 358 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: you know already with with Cale and King, and I'm 359 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: eager to see, you know, kind of where he goes 360 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: and where he takes it from here. I got to 361 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: take care of some sponsor business here Wes before I 362 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 1: forget serious. 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This is the first time Caleb Jones, the 376 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: huge left tackle prospect, tackle prospect the Packers have been 377 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 2: developing the past two years, he was able to get 378 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: in there with the number ones a little bit in 379 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: this practice, and he was talking to Paul Brettel about 380 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: this in the locker room afterwards, and the challenge of 381 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: trying to block Overshawn Gary and acknowledging that he got 382 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: him on a play, and then there was a play 383 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 2: where he got him too. 384 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: Yep. 385 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: On the other side of things, I'm telling you, man, 386 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: when it comes down to it, the way that Rashaun 387 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 2: Gary plays his position and the way he practices, there 388 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 2: might be better outside linebackers and pass rushers in the 389 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 2: National Football League than Gary. You're not going to get 390 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: anybody that goes harder at you in a practice than 391 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: he does. That is the ultimate litmus test for I 392 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: think these tackles and these guys that are competing for 393 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: that swing tackle role, which is now you look at 394 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 2: Caleb Jones being back from the hamstring, He's in that. 395 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: Kadem Telford has gotten a lot of number one reps camp, 396 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: and then certainly Andre Dillard is the veteran, and then 397 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: Luke Tanuda I thought had a really good family night 398 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: as well. He looked good on some of the right 399 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: guard stuff he was doing. In addition to later in 400 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: the practice working at tackle, You're not going to see 401 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: a stiffer test than Rashaun Gary. But I'll close on 402 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: this when spinging it back to the defense, what Green 403 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: Bay has done on the defensive line, Michael it is 404 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: so gosh darn deep, and they're so healthy right now 405 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: at that position. Yeah, knock on wood Yeah, but you 406 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: look at last year like I was sitting there and 407 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: I've had this conversation with eight people already about Jonathan Ford, 408 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: the seventh round pick from two years ago. The fact 409 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: that he hasn't been able to get up on the 410 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 2: fifty three. Well, I don't think it's for a lack 411 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: of talent. I think it's because of how healthy the 412 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: Packers have been there. When you have a TJ. Slayton 413 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 2: that's made the strides that they've been looking for. When 414 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: you have a DeVante Wyatt that took a ginormous jump 415 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 2: last year, going from a very rotational player to a 416 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: guy that had five and a half sacks. Kolby Wooden 417 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 2: has put on weight and looks more dynamic and has 418 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 2: been playing a little bit of defensive end as well. 419 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 2: In Carl Bradford has been a revelation. Brooks, Carl Brooks, 420 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: excuse me, God bless you. Carl Bradford. 421 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: Carl Bradford, Yes, former Packer, former Packer draft pick hasn't 422 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: been around for a while. 423 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: It's been about ten years. But Carl Brooks in four 424 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: sacks last year and looks even more confident this year. 425 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: When you talk about the shift, yeah, a lot of 426 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: that is Jeff Affley, but a lot of it is 427 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: having almost like a college football team now that is 428 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: getting older and more experienced and more confident what's being 429 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: asked of them. And as they build that experience, Mike, 430 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: it just makes them even more dangerous. 431 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: I want to throw this out at you because this 432 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: is something I've been wondering about and we haven't had 433 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: a chance to talk about it on the sideline yet, 434 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: so I'm kind of putting you on the spot. But 435 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: you and I have both been impressed with Carl Brooks 436 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: and what he's done since he arrived here. And what 437 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: I've been trying to figure out, and maybe I'm maybe 438 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm splitting hairs and it's all semantics or whatever, but 439 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: what I've been trying to figure out is did that 440 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: guy last until the sixth round because he was playing 441 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: at Bowling Green, Or did he last until the sixth 442 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: round because he doesn't have You know that he doesn't 443 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: have that physical look to him of a defensive lineman, 444 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: of a typical NFL defensive lineman. You don't look at 445 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: that guy and say, oh, he's he's a classic NFL 446 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: D lineman. He looks different from a physical standpoint, but 447 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: you but then you watch him play. You watch him 448 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: play and it's and it's like it the you know 449 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: whatever the I don't want to say the word limitations 450 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: because that's not right. The the atypical look to his 451 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: physical attributes. Uh, it doesn't matter because because the guy 452 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: has proven he can play. So I'm just wondering, did 453 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: you know when I think about all the stuff that 454 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: goes on, you know, in the pre draft process and 455 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: and you know, the when you look at like, you know, 456 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: the combine and they do the weigh in and like 457 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff, did a whole bunch of 458 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: NFL scouts look at him and just go, well, he 459 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't have any physic attributes that excite me. So 460 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, put him down the list. Or 461 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: was it because of the bowling green in the school 462 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: that he came from or some combination of the two. 463 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: I just wonder, because he since the day he got here, 464 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: he's impressed me as a young man who has figured 465 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: out how to hold his own in the NFL and 466 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: I don't think we're anywhere close to seeing how good 467 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: he might be. 468 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a great question you ask. I mean, 469 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 2: first and foremost, I understand the kickoff is changing this year, 470 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: but when was the last time you've ever seen a 471 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: defensive lineman as an up blocker on a kickoff? I mean, 472 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: that's where they were lining them up when they were 473 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: starting practice, as one of the guys right behind the 474 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: initial line. It shows you with his athleticism mixed with 475 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 2: his size, there's some interesting intangibles there. Yeah, he was. 476 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 2: He busted through some definitions with how he played edge 477 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: rusher in college, and I'm sure that equated too. Well, 478 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 2: he's too big to be a stand up linebacker in 479 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: the NFL. 480 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: Maybe that's it. Maybe just maybe there were a bunch 481 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: of scouts that just did think he fit right or 482 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: something that he just you know, be But I give 483 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: I give, I give the Packers credit. They they they 484 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: found this guy. I certainly wasn't really even aware of him, 485 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, come going into that that draft last year, 486 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: and uh, and I think he's I think he's gonna 487 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: he can be a really really big part of things, 488 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: not only this year, but just as his career progress. 489 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: And if one thing of you know, over a decade 490 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 2: covering the National Football League has taught me and watching 491 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: the evolution of defensive football, you know, from the from 492 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: the Mike Daniels to the to the Ryan Picketts to 493 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 2: to a guy like TJ. Slayton now is at the 494 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 2: end of the day, it comes down to can you 495 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 2: move the man that's in front of you? 496 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? 497 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 2: Can you get the leverage, can you get the pad level? 498 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: Can you do everything there is to check all those 499 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: boxes to win? I think some body types like Kenny 500 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: Clark really lend themselves to it. Six foot three, just 501 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: tough as nails, three hundred and fifteen pounds, is gonna 502 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 2: put his feet in the dirt. You're gonna have a 503 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: hard time pushing him back. 504 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. 505 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 2: But then you got guys like you know Brooks and 506 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 2: like Kobe Wooden that do things a little bit differently 507 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: but also find ways to be disruptive. And I think 508 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 2: that's really exciting and in credit to you know, this 509 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 2: is a new generation. Jason Riverovich has taken this room 510 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 2: under his wing between the defensive ends and the defensive tackles, 511 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: and these guys have taken to it it's not just rhetoric. 512 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: It's not just you know, platitudes in the locker room 513 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: when they talk about the buy in and when Jeff 514 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: Athley talks about the buy in, I think you've seen 515 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: it in these first ten practices. 516 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, last thing before we go, big night for 517 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: the kickers on family. They got a lot of work, 518 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: you know, multiple periods where they were out there with 519 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: multiple kicks. Would have been fun to see one, if 520 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: not both of them make the fifty seven yard or 521 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: right at the end. They were really challenged with a 522 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: long kick because previous to that they had both nailed 523 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: kicks from fifty five yards and Anders Carlson's actually from 524 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: fifty five was good by a long shot, like he 525 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: absolutely drilled out one. Unfortunately both guys missed from fifty seven. 526 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: But uh, but pretty decent night for both kickers. When 527 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: I you know, when I get asked you know who's 528 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: who's winning the kicking competition, all that I will say 529 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: is statistically Greg Joseph is ahead. He has missed fewer 530 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: field goals than Anders Carlson. But I don't like to 531 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: pretend to know, you know, what the evaluations are behind 532 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: the scenes, So I will just I will just say 533 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: statistically Joseph has the lead. But but I thought both 534 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: of those guys performed pretty well. And uh, and you know, 535 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: we'll see what We'll see what unfolds in the preseason. 536 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you this, Mike, we again, it's ten practices. 537 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: We have not played a preseason game yet. Things can change. Uh. 538 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: I think it is an absolute tragedy that Greg Joseph 539 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: just isn't already a kicker in this league. I'm this 540 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: guy the way he's performed for two weeks, two and 541 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: a half weeks in indigen impress the offseason program, that 542 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: this guy is an NFL kicker. Yeah, and it's not 543 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: just well he boots the ball far or anything is 544 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 2: he explained last week and you were a part of 545 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 2: that scrum. His mentality. This is a guy that has 546 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: been through the wars. He has one jobs, he has 547 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 2: lost jobs, he has been an unrestricted free agent, had 548 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 2: to sit there for a month waiting for another opportunity. 549 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: I don't get how it led to this where it 550 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: was like for green Bay, standpoint fantastic for them. This 551 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: has been a great addition And I formally believe I'm 552 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 2: writing this in the Insider Inbox this week that Andras 553 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 2: Carlson and Greg Joseph both have what it takes to 554 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: kick in the National Football League. That I agree, it's 555 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 2: just a question of which guy's doing it for this team, right, 556 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 2: I agree. But that being said, I think it has 557 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 2: been the perfect foil. That's not the right connotation to 558 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,239 Speaker 2: the word I want to use to talk about that 559 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 2: because it's been a very respectful battle between those two. 560 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: But it's been the perfect competition and the guy I 561 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 2: think to push honors in what you were looking for 562 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: in this because as you said, both guys had good nights. 563 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: The practices haven't been with the exception of maybe one 564 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 2: well one guy went six for six and another went 565 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,959 Speaker 2: two for six and it was very decided. No, it 566 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: was both of these guys more often than not, one 567 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: six for six, ones five for six. And and to 568 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: be honest with you, that last kick at the end 569 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: of the night, Mike, they had already been on like 570 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: eight or nine full operation. Oh, I know that that's 571 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 2: the thing. It was. 572 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: That was a That was a long night for those guys. 573 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: They got a lot of work and uh and yeah, 574 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: to be to be challenged with a fifty seven yarder 575 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 1: at the end of a long practice like that. That 576 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: was that was tough duty. 577 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't surprise me that that they both ended 578 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: up missing. But I think the competition has been really good. 579 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 2: And but like I've told people, and I said it 580 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: an insider inbox last week, I saw Georgio Tabaccio get 581 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: out to a commanding lead over Mason Crosby in twenty 582 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: thirteen at that family night, Mason one of his worst 583 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: nights of his career. Yeah, couldn't make anything. And then 584 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: within two weeks Mason had made the corrections, Georgio was out. 585 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: It's even happen that fast, and it's all about as 586 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: Greg Joseph has talked about, the next kick is the 587 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 2: most important one, and that's kind of where it is 588 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: before we go. Oh, because you're usually the one that 589 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: always throws to my story, I want to make sure 590 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 2: I throw to yours on Daniel Wheelan, You're not bregadocious 591 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: enough to bring it up on your own, So I 592 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: will some incredible information in that piece that I've found 593 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: very illuminating. In addition to the fact that he put 594 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: on the weight, as you wrote about, he's up to 595 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 2: bout two thirty six from where he was at a 596 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: two sixteen. But you know what really impresses me about 597 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: this dude. He does not have any on roster direct competition, 598 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 2: but yet he has not rested on his laurels whatsoever 599 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: as a holder, as a punter, all aspects of the job. 600 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: This guy got a taste of success last year in 601 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: both the XFL and the NFL, and he has continually 602 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: pushed himself. I've just been so impressed by that mindset, 603 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 2: because that is a thing where when you don't have 604 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: anybody directly competing against you, you could easily take the 605 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: foot off the gas and say this is my gig. 606 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. I wrote the story in the spring on Greg 607 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: Joseph one of the first times we got a change 608 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: to talk to him, and sort of the theme of 609 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: that story was his approach of the me versus me 610 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: where he sort of just blocks everything else out. Daniel 611 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: Wheelan is taking the me versus me approach without any 612 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: competition around him, but that's how he's he's working to 613 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: push himself. I don't like to jump the gun, as 614 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, but I will say I'll put it this way. 615 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if Daniel Wheelan is a 616 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: long term punter in Green Bay. He looks to me, 617 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: this is just year two. He's only had one actual 618 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: season of NFL games under his belt. He looks to 619 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: me like he's got what it takes to last a 620 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: long time in this league. And I think he might 621 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: last a long time for the Packers. We will have 622 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: to see impressive young man though. 623 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, Mike, I covered a lot 624 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: of punters in Green Bay, especially since Tim Mastey, you know, 625 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: was released six seven years ago now, and God bless 626 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: Jacob Shum He's one of my all time favorites. Ultimately, 627 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: good guy. But you look at how Wheelan is built 628 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: compared to some of these punters in the league. He 629 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: has the physical look. I mean, dude, he looks like 630 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: he could be a tight end. Honestly. Yeah, I get 631 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: it's impressive to watch, and I think that gets translated 632 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 2: into how he performs at the point. 633 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my favorite line that he when I 634 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: when I talked to him last week for the story 635 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: that's now on Packers dot com talking about his his 636 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: approach and kind of what he's after this year, and 637 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: he said, hey, yeah, it's it's not all. It's not 638 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: all about hitting the A plus ball. You're gonna hit those. 639 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna hit your A ball plenty of times. But 640 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: it's how good is your B plus ball? And if 641 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: you if your B plus ball keeps getting better and better, 642 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: which he feels his is with the with the added size, 643 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: the added strength, and just the experience and everything that 644 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: he's gained. When your B plus ball keeps getting better, 645 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: that's when you know you're in a pretty good spot. 646 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: And I think he's he's definitely getting there. 647 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: Sure looks like it all right. 648 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: Well, with's that, we'll call it a rap on this 649 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: edition of Packers Unscript. You're sure to follow well. All 650 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: of our coverage of the team training camp continues to 651 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: roll along. We'll have it all for you on Packers 652 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: dot com. For Wes, I'm Miike. Thank you for tuning in. Everybody. 653 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: We will see you next time.