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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic power. Since government conspiracies, history is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 1: Noel is not with us today. They call me Ben.

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Speaker 1: You are you? It just might be the end of

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Speaker 1: the world. Welcome to stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: They already got an old like quite possibly, quite possibly.

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Speaker 1: Uh So this is a this is a weird thing

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Speaker 1: and we've been looking into this off the air ever since.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to bring it to you. Our episodes come

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Speaker 1: out on Friday's typically, and that means that if you

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Speaker 1: are listening to this podcast the day it comes out,

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Speaker 1: then it is September twenty two, two thousand and seventeen,

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Speaker 1: you you have hours to live merror hours. According to

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Speaker 1: some people, several of whom we will examine in depth today.

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Speaker 1: Uh that is the day before the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: end of the world, on September twenty three, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and seventeen. Oh boy, this is a doozy one. Everyone.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait to delve into it with you. So

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Speaker 1: let's look at the current science thinking about the end

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Speaker 1: of the world. So it can it can occur in

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Speaker 1: any number of ways. We've talked about some of these

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Speaker 1: before in the past. Gamma ray bursts, you know, nukes,

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Speaker 1: Nukes could end the world. Well, they could at least

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Speaker 1: end humanity, maybe not all life. Uh, they're impact events.

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Speaker 1: They're they're definitely in the running than we're talking what else.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, an impact event is when an extra terrestrial

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Speaker 1: an asteroid meteor comment, what have you? A gigantic space

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Speaker 1: It's kind of also, Uh, it gives us a sense

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Speaker 1: blockbuster film from yester year. There's not really a proven

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Speaker 1: Earth's orbit, So it's like it's eating the planet. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and well what can you do about that? Um, just

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Speaker 1: longing story short, that's a real kick in the pants.

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Speaker 1: So far as we know, it's unavoidable unless our particular

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Speaker 1: you know, we've got a little bit of a runway,

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Speaker 1: that runway is pretty wide. I accept it. However, according

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Speaker 1: to this group that we got a notification from via email, uh,

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Speaker 1: certain astronomical and or astrological signs point to the beginning

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Speaker 1: it's happening tomorrow. Call your mom for real. You should

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Speaker 1: just call her anyway, you knows, just the case if

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Speaker 1: as always, uh, we would like to issue the following disclaimer.

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Speaker 1: We are reporting what the this group believes, right needs

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Speaker 1: You're not in some fantastical altar universe where people just

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Speaker 1: say the word, but what's a Shenanigan is pretty common? Yeah,

428
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: maybe Flugendorf perfect. Yeah, that might not be you know,

429
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Speaker 1: you might not be in some alternate universe where people

430
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: say that. It might just come up in conversation. You

431
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: can notice it. What and if someone can fill us

432
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: in on the definition of what was that meant? Please

433
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: right in? Okay, uh, send us an emails, send us

434
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Speaker 1: what you think of Fluggendorff is. We will consult it

435
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: the same way that Meat consults and focuses, particularly upon

436
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: the book of Revelations that includes the verses we quoted earlier,

437
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: but also many more. Yeah, I think Revelations six is

438
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: also prominent in David Mead's visions of what he thinks

439
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And he you know, rather than just being

440
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: stars and planets when you look up, he thinks this

441
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: is very much symbolic. Yes, yeah, he believes the object

442
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: we will see is Naburu, the alleged hidden planet of

443
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: all this conspiracy lore, the Red Dragon, right planet X.

444
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: This will, according to him, signal the beginning of the end,

445
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: ushering along fire and storms, hurricanes, lightning, and other types

446
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: of massive destruction. Yeah, so the woman in the dragon

447
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: is of primary interest to Mr Mead. He uh, he

448
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Speaker 1: believes the woman is represented by Virgo. As we were

449
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: kind of saying before, in those nine stars the three

450
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: planets equals the twelve the star the twelve stars in

451
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: the crown the planet Jupiter. He really believes that is

452
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: going to be inside a Virgo and it kind of

453
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: will insider womb. And then there was another theorist named

454
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Speaker 1: Gary Ray who really goes into the whole interpretation of

455
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: birthing Jupiter essentially out of Virgo. And again me doesn't

456
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Speaker 1: believe this will be the instant, immediate finger snap end

457
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Speaker 1: of humanity. Instead, he thinks it will lead to a

458
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Speaker 1: series of catastrophic but inevitably escalating events. And we have

459
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Speaker 1: a quote from him here where he says, the world

460
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Speaker 1: is not ending, but the world is. We knew it

461
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: is ending. A major part of the world will not

462
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Speaker 1: be the same as the beginning of October. And I

463
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: wanted to emphasize this because sure, it sounds like something

464
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: will definitely happen, but I think that's a major part

465
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: of the world is pretty vague. It's pretty vague, and

466
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, you're giving a nice time frame there too. Um,

467
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: sometimes in the beginning of October something will happen. Yeah,

468
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: And well, okay, so I've seen other videos and writings

469
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: online that have said that, yes, this is the end.

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Speaker 1: Within hours of the Red Dragon appearing, there are gonna

471
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Speaker 1: be just asteroids and meteors striking the Earth. There's gonna

472
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Speaker 1: be fire on the entire planet, and it's gonna be

473
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Speaker 1: over within a day. This is not what David Meade

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Speaker 1: believes for sure. Okay, I see, Yeah, so it's not

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Speaker 1: seven years of suffering or something. Yeah, in in original theories,

476
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 1: and he's saying, well, it could be who knows how long.

477
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: They're definitely gonna be major changes, I think, is what

478
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: Meat is saying. If you know, if his beliefs come true,

479
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: maybe fires will be happening, maybe power structures will begin

480
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: to change, and maybe tomorrow I will feel bad for

481
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: being a little bit skeptical. Maybe, But for people who

482
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: think this is a load of hogwash or two or

483
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: maybe let's call it uh pseudo scientific or an extended interpretations,

484
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, Meat has more than a few critics and

485
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: these are the same sort of criticisms that they threw

486
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: at him scientists at NASA. I think the word I

487
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: used to want to do it to these dotes was

488
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: finding particularly onerous. Despite his interview saying that he had

489
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: received confirmation of Nimbaru from these highly placed ronomers, people

490
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: doing work in the academy and in uh for the government. Right,

491
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: he's also received criticism from other people who are of

492
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Speaker 1: the Christian faith. Yeah, you've got Ed Stetzer. He's a

493
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Speaker 1: professor and executive director of Wheaton's College, Billy Graham Center

494
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: for Evangelism. So he he took a look at how

495
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: Meads kind of describing this event in articles in on

496
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Speaker 1: the media, and he says, quote, there's no such thing

497
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Speaker 1: as a Christian numerologist. You basically got a made up

498
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: expert in a made up field talking about a made

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Speaker 1: up event. Geez, that that was me pulling out of

500
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: the quote. Let's continue. I don't think people like that

501
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: that might work. That was a reporter whoever he was

502
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: talking to, Like, wow, man, shade, let's get back into

503
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: the quote. It sort of justifies that there's a special

504
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: secret number code in the Bible that nobody believes. And

505
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: and for the record, to be fair, Dave Meat has

506
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: never self described as a Christian numerologist. No, but he

507
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: definitely likes numbers and thinks they hold a great significance.

508
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: And uh, he describes himself as a researcher who studied

509
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: astronomy at a university in Kentucky. We don't know which university,

510
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: but one, but yeah, but there is there is one. Uh.

511
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: And according to his website, he worked in forensic investigations

512
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: and spent ten years working for some successful companies corporations,

513
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: and of course, as Matt had mentioned earlier, is the

514
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: author of several books, the most recent one being Planet

515
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: xen Arrival. How convenient or you know, he's trying to

516
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: warn people. And that's the thing, like when when you're

517
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: dealing with something like this, what if David Mead truly

518
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: truly believes this and wants to get the word out.

519
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: That's it's tough when you think of it skeptically, but

520
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: also have to imagine the man himself and yeah, what

521
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: are his intention? So stets are has questions from a

522
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: It's weird because when you hear a lot of skepticism,

523
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: you often hear it from what the what the critics

524
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: would consider an objective viewpoint, right, Like, if someone has

525
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: a problem with what you're saying, and they are scientists

526
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: in that particular field, they're not going to necessarily attack

527
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: your motivations. They're going to look at the science, correct.

528
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: And this is interesting because stats Are himself is a

529
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: religious man, you know, and he has strong objections to

530
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: David Mean's ideas because he believes that whenever someone tells

531
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: you they have found a secret code in the Bible,

532
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: everything else he or she says can be discounted. And

533
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: he noted that in Christianity, no one is supposed to

534
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: know the day or the hour of this momentous event,

535
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,959
Speaker 1: right or Jesus Christ return. Yeah, and it's it's weird

536
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: that stets are in meat and all these other people

537
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: are kind of conflating all these different things as one,

538
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: like the when Jesus comes back in the rapture and

539
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: all this kind of thing, or perhaps a cataclysmic event

540
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: occurring or Planet X returning, and it's all becomes one

541
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: thing when really these you know, depending on what you believe,

542
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: these might be all separate instances, you know, and stets

543
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: Are obviously does the stets are doesn't agree with what

544
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: need we propose, what other Planet X people would propose,

545
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: But you're right, it's an excellent point about conflation, you know.

546
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: So this this is to me one of the one

547
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: of the like the Larry David moments of this podcast. Okay,

548
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: is with all due respect. So we've looked at spiritual

549
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: critics UM. On the scientific side, there is a scientist,

550
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: a senior scientist at NASA. His name is Dr David Morrison.

551
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: I love this guy, and for years he has been

552
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: debunking these different claims about Nibiru, also answering questions about

553
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: it from the public um, and he argues the same

554
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: thing pretty often. Uh, Here's there's no such thing as

555
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: this Nibiru idea either as a brown dwarf, which is

556
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: what a lot of um, a lot of Nibiru believers

557
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: would describe it as. And regardless, there's nothing currently on

558
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: a collision course to Earth in a way that we

559
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: can see. Yeah, it's all about close close by, right exactly.

560
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: He makes some great points, and this guy really has

561
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: a grandfather factor where you know, it just makes you

562
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: want to listen to him. He seems endearing. He's like, oh,

563
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: all right, man, I hear you. It's really it's it's

564
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of nice, and he's very reassuringly everything's gonna

565
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: be okay, and that he's a NASA scientist. That's nice.

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Speaker 1: So Dr Morrison argues that were these collision course claims

567
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: true and to be believed, astronomers all over the place

568
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: would be able to see whatever object is coming at us.

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Speaker 1: Because it would admit light, you'd be able to see it.

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00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: People would notice, even even just casual telescope owners like

571
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: my buddy Scott. He would have pointed his telescope up

572
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: at the sky and you'd probably be able to see it.

573
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: Even people without telescopes might be able to see it,

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Speaker 1: depending on how bright it is. And then additionally, if

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Speaker 1: it were, if it were real, and if it were

576
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Speaker 1: a planet with substantial mass, then it would already be

577
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: altering or perturbing the orbits of Mars and Earth. Yes, exactly.

578
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Speaker 1: So the argument is that we would see the orbits

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Speaker 1: of other easily visible planets changing. Right. Yeah, but what okay,

580
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: so let's really fast. What if it is on this

581
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: huge elliptical orbit that does take twenty years. I don't

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Speaker 1: know the science behind this, and I don't know how

583
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: much this has been looked into, but I'm sure it has.

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Speaker 1: But if it was on that massive orbit and it

585
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: hasn't been seen like it's on this the far reaching side,

586
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: I guess the far ends of its orbit around the Sun.

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00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: I wonder how long that time span would be to

588
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: where you couldn't see it. I see because it's, you know,

589
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: way out there past Pluto. I don't know. I I

590
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: worry about that a little bit. I need I need

591
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: more Dr Morrison to just reassure me. I think so.

592
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: I I think he has reassured people, or he's definitely

593
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: presented NASA's side of the art of the stands right.

594
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: The problem is that this, although it does sound funny,

595
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: you can kind of picture the Larry David music for

596
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: this guy who has to wake up every day and

597
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: try to convince people that the world's not ending. I'm

598
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: sure he does a wealth of other things. Oh yeah, yeah,

599
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying this is my pitch, this is my

600
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: pitch for this is a TV show. Sure, yeah. I

601
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: remember seeing him in two thousand twelve when he, like,

602
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: right before the whole thing happened, he just let guys

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Speaker 1: know everything's Okay, yeah, yeah. According to his estimate, Dr Morrison,

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Speaker 1: that is, there are over two million sites that talk

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Speaker 1: about this collision of Earth within the Biru. He says

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Speaker 1: he gets around five emails about it every day, and

607
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, people are just forwarding at NASA and they're

608
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Speaker 1: just forwarding Dr Morrison everything. This is from two thousand,

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Speaker 1: this from before two thousand and twelve. Um, So I

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Speaker 1: don't I imagine maybe picking up now. At least once

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Speaker 1: a week this is the part of the problem. At

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Speaker 1: least once a week, he says, I get a message

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Speaker 1: from young person as young as eleven who says they

614
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Speaker 1: are ill and we're contemplating suicide because of the coming doomsday. Wow.

615
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: So if you get five of those a day, you know,

616
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: there goes your whole day. I feel like you have

617
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: to answer these yeah that, yeah, there, you don't do

618
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: anything else besides hopefully grab a bite to eat and

619
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: then get some sleep. Uh So it continues, but it

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00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: may all end tomorrow. Well yeah, so we've heard the

621
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: arguments from all the different sides, people's viewpoints, the prophecies.

622
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: How likely is it that the world is going to

623
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: end tomorrow? While you're listening to this podcast? Huh. Well,

624
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: there are several things we need to consider first, and

625
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: we'll get to those right after a word from our sponsor. Well,

626
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: the first thing we have to take into account is

627
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Speaker 1: that this celestial alignment, it has in fact occurred before,

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Speaker 1: according to this guy, Christopher M. Grainy. He's a professor

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Speaker 1: of physics and astronomy at Jefferson Community and Technical call

630
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: Legend Louisville. Oh wow, okay, so yes, he's a professor,

631
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Speaker 1: and he's writing in the Catholic Astronomer, which is a

632
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: vlog for the Vatican Observatory. He says, quote, this basic

633
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: arrangement happened before in September eighteen, September three, twelve ninety three,

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Speaker 1: and ten fifty six. And he says he only searched

635
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: back about a thousand years, and their undoubtedly other examples

636
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Speaker 1: outside of that time period where this basic arrangement occurred,

637
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Speaker 1: where you've got Virgo and Leo, the Sun and the

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Speaker 1: moon and of the planets. I mean, that's something to

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Speaker 1: take into account at least that it's not a once

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Speaker 1: in a lifetime Well perhaps it's a once in a

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00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: lifetime thing, but it's not a you know, once in

642
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Speaker 1: a civilization thing. Sure once in a reality, or maybe

643
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: it's already occurred, and uh we are living in some

644
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Speaker 1: version of the universe where it did. Oh, I mean

645
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: clearly I would like this version of the universe better. Yeah, whatever,

646
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: unending darkness is an alternate reality. But hopefully one day

647
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Speaker 1: we can either prove those exist and make the make

648
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Speaker 1: the wildest dreams of every science fiction author and fan

649
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: ever come true, or uh, at least you know, prove

650
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't. Well, I'm getting into another podcast at this point.

651
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: If I'm I'm already considering multiple realities, so just really fast.

652
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Speaker 1: One of the other things that Professor Greeney says is

653
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Speaker 1: that I'm just gonna read this quote. Yes, multiple planets

654
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: being at Virgo's head wild Jupiter is in Virgo's center

655
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: and the Moon is at Virgo's feet is somewhat unusual,

656
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: but it's not that unusual. The period of Jupiter's orbit

657
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: is a little less than twelve years. That's kind of interesting, right, Um,

658
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: so it takes twelve years to go around the Sun,

659
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Speaker 1: and therefore Jupiter will be in Virgo with the Sun

660
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Speaker 1: there too and the Moon at the feet once every

661
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve years. So again, he's just trying to say, hey,

662
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: the star part is maybe not as important as some

663
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Speaker 1: of these people are saying. And he's writing in the

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Speaker 1: Catholic the Catholic astronomer, which is kind of cool. You're

665
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: you're getting that religious angle again. And there's also right,

666
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: there's also been these allegations that pop up or I

667
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: guess rumors or copy pasta call it what you want,

668
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: where someone says, you know, the Catholic Church is secretly

669
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Speaker 1: preparing for the arrival of this plan. That would be cool.

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Speaker 1: It's the thing, though, is when you talked about an

671
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Speaker 1: organization that size like the Catholic Church, it's quite possible

672
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Speaker 1: that there's a group of people in the Catholic Church

673
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: who decided to prepare for something that they think is coming.

674
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Speaker 1: And it might be a case where no one is

675
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: more surprised to learn that than the Catholic Church. That's true,

676
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: oh man. But the point remains, it is true these

677
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: situations may not be as unique as other other people

678
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: believe them to be. Right, So let's consider this question

679
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: of David Mead, because there's there's some wiggle room with

680
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: the beginning of the end, right, So what if, as

681
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: Matt had mentioned earlier, right, it doesn't signal an immediate

682
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: media and not with a bang, but with a whimper

683
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: to quote T. S. Eliott, And instead, this, this heavenly

684
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: alignment becomes a harbinger of some terrible future event or

685
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: series of events that would alter the course of human history. Currently,

686
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: two str meads point, currently there's some pretty unsustainable stuff

687
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: going on in the world right now. And I would

688
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: say that relatively speaking, that's always been the case. Yes, yes,

689
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: a series of just horrific and tragic Shenanigan's just a

690
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: few more steps and then you know, humanity is on

691
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: the brink at any time throughout history. So what are

692
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: some examples? Okay, well, so some really good examples would

693
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Speaker 1: be if we take a look at the Democratic People's

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Speaker 1: Republic of Korea or North Korea. And we've mentioned it

695
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: on this show numerous times, but at this moment in history,

696
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: tensions are raping ratcheting up again between the United States

697
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: and other Western powers of you know, with North Korea.

698
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Speaker 1: They fired two missiles off the bow of neighboring Japan

699
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Speaker 1: on August and the fifte September of this year, so

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Speaker 1: twice in a row, shot two missiles missiles over Japan.

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Speaker 1: They also held another new clear test, at least according

702
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Speaker 1: to the US Geological Survey. Who's you know, they're doing

703
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 1: the nuclear detection that we talked about during the Velor

704
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Speaker 1: Incident episode, where where you can detect if a nuke

705
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Speaker 1: has been set off by basically testing the ground and

706
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Speaker 1: if the ground is shaking in certain ways, you know

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Speaker 1: one's gone off. And they did confirm that one went

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Speaker 1: off on September three, so uh yikes. Also, the U

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Speaker 1: n Security Council just approved more sanctions against the Democratic

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Speaker 1: People's Republic of Korea, and then we had just this

711
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Speaker 1: past Tuesday, President Trump spoke at the UN General Assembly

712
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Speaker 1: the United Nations and he had some very choice quotes

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Speaker 1: for North Korea. We should we read some of these

714
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Speaker 1: been yeah, lay one on me. He says, the scourge

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Speaker 1: of our planet today is a small group of rogue

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Speaker 1: regimes that violate every principle on which the United Nations

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Speaker 1: is based. If the righteous many do not confront the

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Speaker 1: wicked few, than evil will triumph. No one has shown

719
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: more contempt for other nations and for the well being

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Speaker 1: of their own people than the depraved regime in North Korea.

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Speaker 1: And as we've said before, there. There's a certain kind

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Speaker 1: of language that the people we use in Joe politics.

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Speaker 1: And one thing that the United States does, and and

724
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of other Western countries too, is that when

725
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: you want to avoid describing something as a government, when

726
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: you want to make another country's governing structure look illegitimate,

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00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: call it a regime regime because it seems so temporary

728
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: and like it was instated by its own accord and

729
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: not by some other international recognition. Right, and it is

730
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: it is true that there's an accelerating um in accelerating

731
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Speaker 1: situation in that part of the war world. Right, China

732
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: in China, Russia and the US all have skin in

733
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Speaker 1: the game, and they're there. All three countries have world

734
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Speaker 1: altering force projection abilities one way or another, right economically

735
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Speaker 1: in the field of energy, and of course military force.

736
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Speaker 1: So then Trump went on to say, no nation on

737
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Speaker 1: Earth has an interest in seeing this band of criminals

738
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Speaker 1: arm itself with nuclear weapons and missiles. The United States

739
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: has great strength and patients, but if it is forced

740
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Speaker 1: to defend itself for its allies, we will have no

741
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Speaker 1: choice but to totally destroy North Korea, which is, by

742
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: the way, not not the language of negotiation not the

743
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: language you say at the UN General Assembly while you're

744
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Speaker 1: in front of delegations of all the countries, especially North Korea,

745
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: which was seated right in front of him. Okay, so

746
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: it's like an active provocation, That's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 1: And the right after that, Ben, Now, look, I wouldn't

748
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Speaker 1: believe this unless I transcribed it myself and I watched

749
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Speaker 1: the live feed. His next quote is rocket man is

750
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime.

751
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: He called Kim Jong rocket man like right there in

752
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: front of everybody. I mean, depending on how you feel

753
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: about Elton John that could be and the way he

754
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: said it to it's a rocket man, that's the cadence.

755
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's the secret to a good uh, a good

756
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Speaker 1: impression because he speak like you're with the cadence of

757
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 1: rocket Man. But just still you could feel the tention

758
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: right and we you know, especially you've been with your

759
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: your background, you understand and can see kind of the

760
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: chess pieces. But I think for me and some other

761
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: people it's it's like it it just seems scary. I

762
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: guess when they are powerful countries talking like this, and

763
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Speaker 1: the way North Korea, you know, talks to the United

764
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: States and other countries, absolutely, especially because we're we're talking

765
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Speaker 1: about a country, the United States, with an executive branch,

766
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: and uh, this executive branch has the controlling power of

767
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Speaker 1: the army. Not all you know, not not all countries

768
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: that way, Not all presidents have constitutionally been assigned foreign

769
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: interactions in this manner, and every country practices some sort

770
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: of political theater. With that being said, the current military

771
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: might of the United States makes this a It makes

772
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: this something that other countries are going to pay attention

773
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: to across the planet because if if, if the big

774
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: guns are in a bad mood, right, every everybody's everybody

775
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: becomes warri right. And it's weird because it also made

776
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: me think of recently, there was a man that a

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00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: lot of people probably have heard of but don't remember

778
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Speaker 1: his name. Uh, he passed away. His name was Stanislav Petrov,

779
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: and he was working in a submarine and he was

780
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: a radar guy for the Soviets, and he was monitoring

781
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: radar in Moscow when the Cold War was in full

782
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: effect in three and the instrument showed that the United

783
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Speaker 1: States had launched a salvo of nuclear weapons direct actually

784
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: at Russia just five, five, But I think seeing just five,

785
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: just five nukes, you know, I hear you get the

786
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: sixth one free? You know what I mean. But the

787
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: whole point was that he he was really confused because

788
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: everything that he was taught was that if the US

789
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: did launch nukes, it would be countless, like there would

790
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: be so many you wouldn't be able to even really

791
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: understand how many nukes are coming at you. Right and

792
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: his his subordinance were panicking, but he kept his wits,

793
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: and Petrov decided not to retaliate, and later they learned

794
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 1: it was a good thing because the radar reading was false.

795
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: It was generated by sunbeams reflecting off of clouds. How

796
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: crazy is that. So although very few people in the

797
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: US could recall the name Stanislav Petrov off the top

798
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: of their head, I couldn't. And although we can't recall

799
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Speaker 1: this guy, he might have saved, He might have saved

800
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Speaker 1: part of civilization. I think he absolutely did, at least

801
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: in this multiverse, because you know, I don't think about

802
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: that that it probably would have triggered. No, it definitely

803
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: would have. If he would have shot retaliated, the US

804
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: then really does fire missiles, then Russia fires more missiles.

805
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: There's the Soviet Union fires more. I don't want to

806
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: get tom I don't want to get too off the

807
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: rails with North Korea. But the DPRK does have nuclear capability.

808
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: But as we mentioned on the show in the past,

809
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: the ability to make a nuclear like make a nuclear

810
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: reaction occur in the ability to weaponize. That are very

811
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: different things, right, very different things, and miniaturization is one

812
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: of the tougher things. Even more difficult is the idea

813
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: of making a reliable even one time I CBM or

814
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: you're kind of continental ballistic missile. And the big worry

815
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: now is that they've evolved because they used to have

816
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: these missiles called the Typo Don and those things just

817
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: like they were the best things the military of DPRK

818
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: had at the time. They were not good, they're terrible.

819
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: They were just But it's also but it's also scary

820
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: whenever someone says, let's build a rocket to blow things up.

821
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: Let's see. You know it's not right, it's not like

822
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 1: space exploration, but you still need rockets for that. See,

823
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Speaker 1: it's difficult to tell where people are going, where the

824
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: countries are going. So now the evolution towards the new

825
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: types of missiles is extremely worrying. You've probably seen things

826
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: on your local news report of choice a about where

827
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Speaker 1: they have the map and North Korea is in the center,

828
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: and then it shows a series of circles right telling

829
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 1: you the possible reach at that point or at this point.

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Speaker 1: So far as we know, the missile technology is still

831
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Speaker 1: not not reliable over a long distance. It's possible to

832
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: get there, but there are probably manufacturing defects. But it

833
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 1: makes the people in South you know, South Korea feel

834
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: not so great, and you know it doesn't have a

835
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: manufacturing defect. A suitcase toyota celica. Wait, are you in

836
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: traffic right now listening to this? Look around when you

837
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: when you get to a stop. So look, here's the deal.

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Speaker 1: Even if neither of these countries, the United States are

839
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Speaker 1: North Korea does the unthinkable and actually launches a nuclear

840
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: weapon and creates all out nuclear war, which could and

841
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: likely would end the world. It as you know it,

842
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: something else might happen here. The actions or some other

843
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: type of intervention in North Korea could trigger World War three.

844
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Speaker 1: And you know we've we've been through two of those

845
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: so far as a world um and I personally don't

846
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: like our chances of making it out unscathed, well, definitely scathed,

847
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: but alive. I don't see us making it out alive.

848
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Speaker 1: Of a third one. Who are we humans? Okay? Everybody? Now,

849
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: somebody will make it out. Someone will make it out.

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Speaker 1: It'll be a Cormick McCarthy situation though, right, well, there

851
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: are also people would argue that we've already been in

852
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Speaker 1: a world war uh currently or currently embroiled in one

853
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: world war being defined as the superpowers fighting, right, not

854
00:57:53,840 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: just the normal uh noise, the normal static of larger

855
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: countries victimizing or exploiting smaller countries, right, which is the norm?

856
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: That's just that's peacetime currently, Yeah, it is. It is true.

857
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: The idea of proxy wars drawing in larger powers can

858
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: absolutely happen, and no one knows what that kind of

859
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: large scale open conflict would look like at this point.

860
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: It would be very different from anything we know, and

861
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: some of the most dangerous weapons have never been used.

862
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: There's also, of course, the threat of terrorism and or

863
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: other radical factions. Right going back to the suitcase thing

864
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: or the Toyota celica thing, and look, no Ding's on

865
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: Toyota celicas. I just I was trying to pick a

866
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Speaker 1: specific example. There's the idea of an attack via a

867
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: so called dirty bomb or some other uh tipping point

868
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: event to tip our hats to Malcolm Cladwell. And then,

869
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: of course, lest we forget the unbridled fury of earth itself.

870
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: Natural disasters, Oh man, the hurricanes have been coming non

871
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: stop this season. In our third hurricane and as many weeks, No,

872
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: it can't be three weeks. It's uh, well, isn't this

873
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: four now? Yeah? We had Harvey, and there was another

874
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: one there that kind of went away, and then Irma

875
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: and then Maria, and there's there are other ones, uh,

876
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: and they're all just causing devastation in the Caribbean right now,

877
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: Like right now, there was a hurricane I think yesterday

878
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: it just plowed through Puerto Rico. Of the of Puerto

879
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,479
Speaker 1: Rico was without power and less like the power grid

880
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: was knocked out. Terrifying stuff. Just the power of nature.

881
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: And people have generators, but that's not the same thing. Yeah,

882
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: the hospital. I was listening to NPR and they were

883
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: saying one of the major hospitals had two or three

884
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: days left of generator power. But they don't think the

885
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: power will be restored for months Like that's that's terrifying,

886
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: and imagining that on an even larger scale is unthinkable.

887
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: But you know, that's just one aspect of nature that

888
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: could attack us. Sure, droughts, famine, the dangerous domino effect

889
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: of ecological collapse. Right, people are most familiar with this

890
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: idea when neo nicketsnoids, and other pesticides continue to like

891
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: ravage be populations. I think you can scroll, if you

892
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: want to scroll all the way back through your Facebook

893
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: feed to what years several years ago, you will see

894
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: that famously misattributed studo quotation with Ernest with Ernest anyway,

895
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: with Albert Einstein saying when the bees disappear. I'm pretty

896
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: sure he didn't say that. I don't think so. But

897
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: it was a scary time and it is still a

898
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: scary time for honeybee populations and other bee populations. The pollinators,

899
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: the ones that actually make the stuff that has flowers grow. Right,

900
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: it's freaking me out a little bit, but it's okay you.

901
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you may not like flowers, you may not

902
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: want a mouthful of bees. I can't blame me for

903
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: either of those. But the thing is we need them around. Yeah,

904
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: that's a whole system. It's this complicated thing where you know,

905
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: if you want to eat some bacon, you gotta have bees.

906
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: There we go. That's a that's a very good ad

907
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: for either your future career as an apiarist or a

908
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: weird baking commercial. It's a really weird bacon slashes. So yeah,

909
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: the ocean of cientification, uh, uncurable incurable contagions, snip cancer.

910
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: And we saw wildfires just all over the planet recently,

911
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: the droughts that were coming through. The earthquake in Mexico

912
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: that just happened, there were two, like two in a row.

913
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: Wildfires to to a large degree, if people were just

914
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: not around, wildfires would exist. And it's a part of

915
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: the system. It's part of the ecosystem, but it has

916
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: changed to with catastrophic consequences. I I have a questions

917
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: for a different day, but I I want to see

918
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: what you think about this is war and economic necessity.

919
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, leave that right there. Respond to that question

920
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: if you don't mind everybody listening, if we survive, because yeah,

921
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: if the world is still around, then you're like, oh, well,

922
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: my plans have opened up for the day, then just

923
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: send us an email and let us know what you

924
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: think about the idea of wars and economic necessity. My

925
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: ink is yes, yeah, uh. Going back to the end,

926
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: this is this is near the end of our show

927
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: on the end of the world, near the end of

928
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: the world. Possibly well, we have to remember that the

929
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: world is ending for someone every day, right there are

930
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: history is replete with all these groups and religions and

931
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: communities that have assumed the world as they know it

932
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: will collapse. And those beliefs can be tied to any

933
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: number of things. And probably depending upon how old you are,

934
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: or definitely how old your parents are, you within your

935
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: family will be able to find firsthand accounts of something

936
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: that was in the news that was absolutely insane. For

937
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people, it would be Heaven's Gate or

938
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: something right, something like that. These things happen more often

939
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: than you might believe, and if you look back and

940
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: start to build a list of it, you will see

941
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 1: that there there are very few years where there wasn't

942
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: some group predicting the end of the world. And it's

943
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: a it's addictive thing because all the problems that we

944
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: just named didn't start, you know, on Tuesday. It can

945
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: easily feel like the end of the world. It's true

946
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: that some of these situations are unsustainable, but does it

947
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: stop tomorrow? Are the beliefs of people who followed these

948
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: signs in the heavens in this particular interpretation, What happens

949
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: if they're right? What happens if somehow you know that

950
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: the gravity the perturbations of the orbits didn't change and

951
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: this thing just came and there was no way to

952
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: tell except for this amalgamation of interpretations and civilism, or

953
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: what if on Saturday, for the first time in human history,

954
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: or at least civilization up to this point, we get

955
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: to see Planet x We can visually. We can with

956
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: either the naked eye or with the telescope. It's the

957
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: first time we can actually see planet XERG and it's

958
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: back from It's so it's thousand thousand years sojourn away

959
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: from the Solar System and back. Yeah, I mean that

960
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: that is the realist possibility of some of the far

961
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: more far out stuff of we we haven't seen it,

962
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: and NASA is assuring us that it's not there, but

963
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: it's just because we haven't been able to observe it yet.

964
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: The scientists from right, Yeah, that I I think that

965
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: would be. So I think that would be tremendously interesting.

966
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly too. I'm remembering that I'm a sucker

967
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: for visible cosmic events like this, you know, I was.

968
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: I was such a curmudgeon when we were going up

969
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: stairs in our office to look at the eclipse. I thought, right,

970
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: here we go, we gotta do this thing. Now, it's

971
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: gonna be dark for why a couple of minutes. I

972
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: have rooms with light switches. I was a jerk about

973
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: it in my head. But then it's starts happening and

974
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: it's amazing, it's astonishing. So yeah, it would be both

975
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: amazing and astonishing to see something like that. But at

976
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: this point, from what we what we currently understand, the

977
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: current scientific understanding is that, based on the physics, was

978
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:24,919
Speaker 1: physically impossible. It would be physically impossible for this sort

979
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: of object to have this sort of impact date at

980
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: this point in time, just because of the speeds involved,

981
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: the gravity involved the visible objects, right, and the effects

982
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: of such an event on them. But again, it's such

983
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: a cliffhanger. What happens tomorrow? Are you gonna stay until midnight?

984
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna monitor. I'm going to monitor the situation.

985
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: You know, I just want to see if there is

986
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: if I get a Google alert with planet X or

987
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: Nimburu or you know something a Google or that's how

988
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: you want to find out setting Google or bloody sky,

989
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: like the sky itself is bleeding and with some crazy

990
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: um uh heavy metal, I don't know, maybe something love

991
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: crafty and with like some drums and some tuneless pipes

992
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:24,439
Speaker 1: and tentacles. Sure they okay, yeah, you know what? Yeah,

993
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: if it's the last day all of it? Yeah, alright,

994
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: So what do you think is gonna happen? Do you?

995
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: Can you feel something in the air right now as

996
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: you're listening to this? Has something happened as you're listening

997
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: to this? And has something happened? Yeah? Like are you

998
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: are you listening to this as an after Like? What

999
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: just what just occurred? Well, if the internet still works

1000
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: and you're maybe there's an LTE signal wherever you are,

1001
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: you can find us. You can write to us, You

1002
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: can talk to us about it, ask us questions, tell

1003
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: us what we should cover if again, can everything continues?

1004
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: Oh and just to interject quickly, I hope it's not

1005
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: the end of the world. It would be cool to

1006
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,479
Speaker 1: hang out with Noll again. Does he even know someone

1007
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: should call it? Oh? Yeah, you're right. But you can

1008
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: find us on Twitter and Facebook, where we're conspiracy Stuff,

1009
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 1: on Instagram where conspiracy Stuff show. And if you don't

1010
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