WEBVTT - Part Two: Bishop David E. Taylor: Jesus Christ's Best Friend

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<v Speaker 1>Also media. Oh, welcome back to Behind the Bastards. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast that this is right now. And yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the Kingdom of God. Not the Kingdom of

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<v Speaker 1>God isn't the thing that people believe exists. But the

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<v Speaker 1>Kingdom of God is in the cult that the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>just rated. Back with me as my guest, Jake Hanrahan,

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<v Speaker 1>the host of Popular Front and a podcast on our network,

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<v Speaker 1>sad Oligarch.

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<v Speaker 2>Jake, Yeah, you doing good. I'm good. I'm ready to

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<v Speaker 2>learn again about Jesus and his pretend best mate.

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<v Speaker 1>And his pretend best friend. DAVIDY.

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that is. I've never heard anyone claim to be

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus his best friend. So he's at least he's at

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<v Speaker 1>least you know, creative, Yeah, a thinker.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not since like the Bible, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I don't even think anyone of the Bible had

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<v Speaker 1>the balls to be like, no, he's my best No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you.

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<v Speaker 1>So, by twenty nineteen, David E. Taylor's ministry had found

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<v Speaker 1>and thoroughly explored it's sweet spot, finding desperate people who

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<v Speaker 1>were either sick themselves or who had ailing loved ones,

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<v Speaker 1>and promising to convince God to solve their problems or

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<v Speaker 1>a price. He had a different courses of lectures in

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<v Speaker 1>which he would walk and these are like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of his big money making things is he'll have

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<v Speaker 1>these huge he'll fill out like a stadium or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>or one of these like almost like an MLM right

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<v Speaker 1>where they'll they'll rent out these huge public speaking spaces

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<v Speaker 1>and he'll he and like his top. He has a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of pastors that work under him. Will we'll teach

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<v Speaker 1>you right for like they'll do like a three day

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<v Speaker 1>lecture series, you know, on how to make personal contact

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<v Speaker 1>with Jesus and then how to use your newfound friendship

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<v Speaker 1>with Jesus to get stuff primarily to cure you and

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<v Speaker 1>save you're sick or dying or dead loved ones. Right

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<v Speaker 1>like that is the the entire grift here is that

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<v Speaker 1>I will teach you how to meet Jesus so you

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<v Speaker 1>can get favors from him and specifically like saving your

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<v Speaker 1>loved one favors. David's marketing people, who are again all

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<v Speaker 1>unpaid cold members, working and living together in these giant

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<v Speaker 1>warehouse spaces that he's bought across the country, managed his

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<v Speaker 1>social media and they would draw people to the call

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<v Speaker 1>in line with posts like this and this is a

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<v Speaker 1>July twenty nineteen Twitter post from David Taylor's account. Thousands

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<v Speaker 1>are being healed of cancer through the life and ministry

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<v Speaker 1>of David D. Taylor. Call one eight seven seven eight

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<v Speaker 1>four three four five six seven for more information. It's

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<v Speaker 1>you'd think, I don't know. This is the part that

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<v Speaker 1>I have trouble getting my head into. Is somebody who's like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this must be how getting cured works, like this must

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<v Speaker 1>be how God works. Is like I have to call

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<v Speaker 1>a call in line to get in good with this

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<v Speaker 1>one dude who has like the connection to the on high.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the part where I'm like, man, I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't get that. I don't get believing that

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's such a stretch.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't even really come across as particularly charismatic, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's other than his Like I mean, let's

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, pretty dap outfit that doesn't seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>like that much new to what they're doing other than

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the esthetics of it. But yeah, no, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's just praying on you know, very people

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<v Speaker 2>are very loose end but still plenty of colts do that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess this one took off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's really what it comes down to,

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<v Speaker 1>is that like this is and it's just it's just

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<v Speaker 1>so blatant. Yeah, to an extent that is sometimes funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's usually more sad than funny. But when you

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<v Speaker 1>go through kind of the post that this dedicated PR

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<v Speaker 1>team is putting together, they're throwing together advertisements for like

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<v Speaker 1>big in person events, one of which was called Miracles

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<v Speaker 1>for the Maimed. And I'm just gonna show you the

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<v Speaker 1>ad image that they had here because it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>special one.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a photo of David E. Taylor holding like thirty

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<v Speaker 1>different like walking canes and crutches like he's just got

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<v Speaker 1>dozens of them in his hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he's inventive. If nothing else, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a Yeah, he's got like a white suit that's

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<v Speaker 1>chased with gold filigree, and yeah, it's Miracles for the

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<v Speaker 1>Maimed with David E. Taylor. With God, nothing shall be impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're meant to take from this is that, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>all these people who came in needing crutches and Walkers

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<v Speaker 1>and Canes don't need him anymore. He cured the maimed.

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<v Speaker 1>So David E. Taylor's just got to take care of

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<v Speaker 1>all this trash now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he's so like, Maimed is pretty heavy. Like

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<v Speaker 2>if you're like, oh, I can't work very well to

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<v Speaker 2>be maimed. You've been bringing fucking badly up.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been maimed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it's like he went in really heavy with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very fun well, not funny for the people, but

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<v Speaker 2>the image fucking incredible. I'm not very fun I really

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<v Speaker 2>really like like the isthetic of it. It's it's very

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<v Speaker 2>like two thousands era, but just with the added caveat

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<v Speaker 2>of being like a weird god call.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great, right, yeah, it's it's it's it's a special picture.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I saw that beautiful image, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>know more. So I found one of David's YouTube channels

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<v Speaker 1>that still hosted the Miracles for the Maimed video. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of his stuff's been taken offline since the FBI raid,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I found this is like a stream of

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<v Speaker 1>one of his like like speeches, right like, or one

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<v Speaker 1>of his like events. You know, I told you that

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<v Speaker 1>he goes up on stage and he'll do these like

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<v Speaker 1>multi hour long talks and this like. You can find

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<v Speaker 1>this whole video online on YouTube. It's called Miracles for

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<v Speaker 1>the Named with David E. Taylor from his Miracles David

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor Miracles in America stream. This one has seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and forty one views. It was streamed eight months ago,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're not talking about a massive channel. But clearly

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's filling these in person rooms because he's

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<v Speaker 1>got like what I the image I just showed you

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<v Speaker 1>of him with all the crutches that was like a

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<v Speaker 1>billboard advertising this thing for weeks and so people who

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't know much about David Taylor showed up to

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<v Speaker 1>see him speak and give his like because this is

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<v Speaker 1>part of his global Miracles in America crusade against cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's yeah, he's this is appealing to some number

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<v Speaker 1>of people who are like desperate as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>their fucking horrible cancer and they show up in person.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is how I think this is a like

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<v Speaker 1>in the YouTube video, this is just like what starts

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<v Speaker 1>the stream off is there's this weird AI generated intro video.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing it was also the intro video that played

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<v Speaker 1>at the symposium or whatever it was like before David

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<v Speaker 1>got on stage and started talking. But let's just watch

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<v Speaker 1>this piece of AI generated Colt Schlock together.

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<v Speaker 3>Take America, a nation formed by God, destined to be

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<v Speaker 3>a light to the world, but for centuries darkness has

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<v Speaker 3>fought to claim its soul.

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<v Speaker 1>I've kept them about chasing wealth power and the guy

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<v Speaker 1>talking just looks like a ring race.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like Assassin's creed is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yet in the hour of her greatest peril, heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>Not sure what president that's supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 3>From the throne of eternity. The king of Kings beheld

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<v Speaker 3>the light.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm going to stop us right here, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>this is I mean, it's just weird Ai Schlock. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's interesting to me is Jesus's room because at the

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<v Speaker 1>point at which we stopped at, Jesus is like walking

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<v Speaker 1>around in this like gold chased room. Yeah, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>like thirty beds in it that are just empty. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like Jesus, the dozens of beds is weird to me, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>why does Jesus need that many beds in his room?

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<v Speaker 1>What is Jesus doing that requires all of those bets?

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<v Speaker 1>Does Jesus keep a hair up, because I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why you would have that many bets.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, like everything is gold plated, gold gilded.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like it does all look like Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>living room.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, Like think what you want about religion, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you go by the book or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>if you believe it or you like the story or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus was a pretty fucking cool guy. Like he did

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty cool shit.

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<v Speaker 1>He was into gold, right, he was not.

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<v Speaker 2>Into like loads of gold. He was into like looking

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<v Speaker 2>after lepers and like people. Yeah, he wouldn't like get

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<v Speaker 2>me gold everywhere, Like it's so silly man.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck yeah. Definitely. Like one of the I think unargued

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<v Speaker 1>things of the text of the Bible is Jesus was

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<v Speaker 1>not a huge fan of fucking palaces. Not a palace guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Jesus not known to be a palace guy. Definitely not.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And what's fun here is obviously that's all AI general, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like that, it's very obviously AI generated. So what you've

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<v Speaker 1>got here is unpaid human trafficking victims using a plagiarism

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<v Speaker 1>machine to make Hollywood style trailers in order to scam

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<v Speaker 1>sick people out of their money. It's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, it's pretty cool. It's like I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>always say the reason that, well, in my opinion, that

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Black Mirror is terrible now is because

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<v Speaker 2>real life and I know there's such an act thing

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<v Speaker 2>to say, but it is so true, like these real

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<v Speaker 2>life scenarios are just pure Black Mirror episodes really, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had the same prop where like when I first

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<v Speaker 1>started watching the show ten years ago or whatever, it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, wow, this seems like incredible, it could happen,

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<v Speaker 1>And now it's like, well this is I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're here, and it's just slightly less upsetting than the

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<v Speaker 1>real thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I oh what I wouldn't give for a sand Junipero.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what we're getting at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Right, Instead we have like Jesus gold plate, Harrem

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<v Speaker 2>room to Christations fuck palace. Yeah yeah exactly that. Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>that sucks.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now again, I also think it's kind of interesting and

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<v Speaker 1>there's part of me that's like, should I analyze Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>having all those beds more? Because David E. Taylor also

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<v Speaker 1>owns a mansion with a lot of beds in it

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<v Speaker 1>and was definitely running a sex colt. But also there's

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<v Speaker 1>no way they prompted it to look that's just what

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<v Speaker 1>the AI thing came up with. I'm guessing. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't specify he should have dozens of weird beds

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<v Speaker 1>in his mansion. They were just like Jesus in a

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<v Speaker 1>palace looking out a window or something. That would be

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<v Speaker 1>my assumption, but I don't know. It's weird how directly again,

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<v Speaker 1>it grafts to the actual cult that David E. Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>is running, which has a bunch of mansions with dozens

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<v Speaker 1>of beds in them.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And sometimes they do do this thing where they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, hide in plain side, like oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>put that in there. Well, maybe it's to make people

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<v Speaker 2>when they watch that they're not so shocked when they

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<v Speaker 2>actually find not the real thing, because he's in heaven

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<v Speaker 2>and he's not Jesus, but you know, something similar maybe

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<v Speaker 2>make them not not so shocked. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't tell you for certain. What I can

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<v Speaker 1>show you is what the actual living spaces in his

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<v Speaker 1>cult facility looked like. What the actual beds that his

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<v Speaker 1>cult members are in these giant warehouses where dozens of

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<v Speaker 1>them are living at a time, and it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a homeless shelter, right, like they're not it's you see here,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not living.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it's horrible. What is that? Yeah, so for

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<v Speaker 2>anyone listening, it's just like tents inside like people sleeping on. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>That tent was like a homeless shelter. I'd say, like

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<v Speaker 1>that looks like maybe an okay, homeless shelter or like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like a femaus shelter. People just got forced out of

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<v Speaker 1>their homes and you're quickly making space for them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that white tent though, Like that's creeping me out

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<v Speaker 2>that it's like some kind of weed medical I don't know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks weird. Yeah, it's like for a homeless sheller,

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<v Speaker 2>like it wouldn't be bad at all, but like that

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<v Speaker 2>medical tent is creeping me the fuck out. But yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the AI is definitely yeah, definitely a lot judging it.

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<v Speaker 1>Out and these people are again they're bringing in millions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars a year for him, like tens of millions

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of the time they're doing this. The

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<v Speaker 1>cult had the money to give them at least separate

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<v Speaker 1>little rooms, right Like, even if you're not wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>pay these people because you're an evil cult leader, they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to live like this. But this is part

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<v Speaker 1>of the point. Keeping them in a situation that is

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<v Speaker 1>like a homeless shelter is part of the point because

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<v Speaker 1>one of the threats he has against them is leverage.

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<v Speaker 1>Is I will make you fully homeless if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>do what I say, right Like, we're building to that,

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<v Speaker 1>but that is kind of what's going on here. So

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to the federal indictment, we also have full records

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<v Speaker 1>of several years worth of text messages from Taylor to

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<v Speaker 1>his followers and to his top lieutenants who are helping

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<v Speaker 1>to run the cult. So we do actually know directly

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<v Speaker 1>how he incentivized and managed his PR team, the guys

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<v Speaker 1>who created that crutch image in the video we just

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<v Speaker 1>watch when they fell behind on producer stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, on October sixth of twenty twenty, Taylor's second

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<v Speaker 1>in command sent a text message to the media team

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<v Speaker 1>which warmed media team, no going to sleep until the

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<v Speaker 1>Mosaic video was done. That was another ad for like

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<v Speaker 1>one of these events that they were doing, and I

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<v Speaker 1>go my sleep, No going to sleep. The grammar's not great.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so dark. No, No, it's just like the whenever

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<v Speaker 2>like people are restricting sleep, it's like always yop the

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<v Speaker 2>lowest rung of like just nightmas shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because like that is the I mean the things

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<v Speaker 1>that I have been willing to do because I've been

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<v Speaker 1>exhausted and unwilling to like I don't have the energy

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<v Speaker 1>to fight you anymore. I feel like it's that's why

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<v Speaker 1>sleep deprivation is like probably like top of the cult

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<v Speaker 1>leader tactics out there, or at least tied with cutting

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<v Speaker 1>off your family and shit for number one, Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>really big.

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<v Speaker 2>It's why like you know, the CIA would doing it

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<v Speaker 2>when they were torturing people. And I'll be right, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>same deff, same thing, like because it's just if you're

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<v Speaker 2>that exhausted, you'll be like yeah, whatever, like sure I

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<v Speaker 2>did this, whatever, please let me sleep. It's just so harsh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that does explain a lot of the God,

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<v Speaker 1>why are people putting up with us? Well, because they're

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<v Speaker 1>exhausted and starving and like that you've gotten to them

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<v Speaker 1>to a point where they're not making anything that can

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<v Speaker 1>be even like sort of described as a rational choice. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I have not found the mosaic video that he was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about in that text message, but the indictment gives

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<v Speaker 1>a very clear idea of how the cult was organized.

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<v Speaker 1>At the top of the slave hierarchy where Taylor's so

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<v Speaker 1>called armor bearers, this is the title he gave to

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<v Speaker 1>his like top slaves. These are not the loot because

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<v Speaker 1>he also has some people who are getting money who

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<v Speaker 1>are sharing in the top of the cult, right, including

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<v Speaker 1>like his romantic partner and a couple of these pastors

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<v Speaker 1>working for him, and they're at the top top of

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<v Speaker 1>the hierarchy. But kind of the top of the slave

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<v Speaker 1>hierarchy are the armor bearers. And here's how the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>describes them in their indictment. Armor bearers were Taylor's personal

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<v Speaker 1>servants who fulfilled Tailor's demands around the clock. Taylor and

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<v Speaker 1>brann and Brannon being his like number one, controlled every

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of the daily living of their victims. They are

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<v Speaker 1>not allowed to go anywhere without permission, and they sleep

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<v Speaker 1>in the facilities where they work or in a ministry house.

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<v Speaker 1>Armor bearers handled everything from the standard waiting on hand

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<v Speaker 1>and foot of Taylor and Brannan and the other couple

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<v Speaker 1>of people, leading it to the actual nuts and bolt

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<v Speaker 1>sex trafficking work that David E. Taylor required of them.

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<v Speaker 1>For the DOJ. Taylor demanded that his armor bearers transport

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<v Speaker 1>women from ministry houses, airports, and other locations to Taylor's

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<v Speaker 1>location and ensured the women transported to Taylor took Plan

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<v Speaker 1>B emergency contraceptives. So not only are these armor bearers

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<v Speaker 1>trafficking women for him from different cult compounds or like

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<v Speaker 1>bringing them in when he manages to ensnare a young

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<v Speaker 1>woman online or something. Because he has these people, it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like they're flirting for him. Sometimes some of it

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<v Speaker 1>he must be doing himself. And these are women maybe

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<v Speaker 1>who are more prominent in the the evangelical community, like

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<v Speaker 1>Christian female musicians and stuff, who have like a degree

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<v Speaker 1>of So that's a big target, but also just a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of when a female cult member fancies his eye,

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<v Speaker 1>he'll bring them in. And these guys are trafficking them

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<v Speaker 1>and giving them morning after pills, right, which seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be the standard, is that anytime you sleep with him,

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<v Speaker 1>you take a morning after pill just to be sure, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing both because he refuses to wear condoms and

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<v Speaker 1>because the cult just didn't want to take any chances.

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<v Speaker 2>It always gets so disgusting, don't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, and I don't even feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth bringing up. I'm sure these people, this cult had

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<v Speaker 1>a hypocritical attitude on whether or not morning after pill

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<v Speaker 1>should be legal, but like that's it almost feels like

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<v Speaker 1>pointless to bring that up when we're talking about crimes

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<v Speaker 1>of this magnet, Like, of course they're hypocrites, right. The

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<v Speaker 1>women brought to Taylors seem to have mostly been female

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<v Speaker 1>cult members, But again, he flirted heavily with these female

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<v Speaker 1>like Christian pop musicians and recording artists. We'll talk more

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<v Speaker 1>about that later. But in order to keep any of

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<v Speaker 1>these ladies from speaking up and doing damage to his ministry,

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor and his top lieutenants also operated what can be

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<v Speaker 1>accurately described as a revenge porn ring. Right, That's how

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<v Speaker 1>they kept these women from coming out. And I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to quote now from an article on Detroit Local four news.

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<v Speaker 1>Court documents claim that Taylor frequently solicited and received sexually

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<v Speaker 1>explicit photos and videos from multiple female workers for the organization.

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<v Speaker 1>There were thousands of sexually explicit photos and videos officials

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<v Speaker 1>said one of set of photos found on the phone

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<v Speaker 1>of Taylor's second in command were sent by a female worker,

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<v Speaker 1>an unpaid worker, mind you, who cried when she handed

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<v Speaker 1>them over and apologized for having been late in completing

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<v Speaker 1>the assignment, which she said she understands that she needed

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<v Speaker 1>to do and can't delay. Right, this is your assignment.

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<v Speaker 1>Is you need to take like naked photos of yourself

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever and send them to me so that like

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<v Speaker 1>I have, yeah, the ability to I have revenge porn

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<v Speaker 1>on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's sort doctor to frame as the assignment, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna basically get yourself in a position that's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be you know, you're gonna be even more malleable, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's your assignment like from God, Like oh, it's just.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, yeah, I mean evil's the right word for it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what's not evil though, I mean they

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<v Speaker 1>might be. I can't promise that one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's some ads and we're bad. Okay, So we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the sex trafficking. David's most prominent alleged victim,

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<v Speaker 1>and the woman who's given us most details about how

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<v Speaker 1>this process worked was a gospel singer named Vicki Yohe

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<v Speaker 1>and prior this is like she was she was she

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<v Speaker 1>was is fairly prominent within like the world of Christian

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<v Speaker 1>pop music. Prior to meeting Taylor Yohe was a Dove

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<v Speaker 1>Award nominated musician. And you probably haven't heard of the

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<v Speaker 1>Devil Ward because it's not like it's not a big

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<v Speaker 1>deal in like the real world, but within this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of community of like Christian like musicians and stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>that who like specifically make like worship music and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a pretty big deal. It's like they're Grammy, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's not like a celebrity in normal world terms,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's famous within like the evangelic like the Pentecostal

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<v Speaker 1>and the charismatic chunks of the evangelical community. So she

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<v Speaker 1>had like going on before she got caught up with

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<v Speaker 1>this maniac, which is important because it means that when

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<v Speaker 1>she decides to leave, when she realizes what he's doing,

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<v Speaker 1>she has the resources and cloud to actually escape, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why she's able to. She gives us a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of details about this guy because she's able to, Like

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<v Speaker 1>she is not leaving the cult and having absolutely nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>being completely broke, basically homeless, so she has some some

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<v Speaker 1>ability to actually fight back openly, and she she has

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<v Speaker 1>been for years by the way. She came out a

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<v Speaker 1>while ago and has was one of the people who

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<v Speaker 1>was first kind of detailing the actual extent of his

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<v Speaker 1>abuse beyond just like tax fraud. So he and Yohey

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<v Speaker 1>met at a church event in twenty seventeen, and Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>immediately this appears to be part of his flirtation technique.

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<v Speaker 1>He starts calling her his spiritual daughter. That isn't appealing.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't seem like it should be appealing, right, That's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>upseting fundamentally, But she feels drawn to him, and she

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<v Speaker 1>does consent to starting a sexual relationship with him, which

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<v Speaker 1>which lasts about sixteen months, So this does start consensually.

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<v Speaker 1>They're both adults, she has the ability to say yes

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<v Speaker 1>or no. She's not in the cult, and since coming

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<v Speaker 1>out against Taylor, Yohe has repeatedly told reporters that this

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<v Speaker 1>was a thing like describing women he wanted to fuck

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<v Speaker 1>as his spiritual daughters was a tactic Taylor used. He

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<v Speaker 1>used it repeatedly on the women that he went after.

0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.240
<v Speaker 1>She claimed he prays on women, He does not honor women.

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<v Speaker 1>Women are just a vagina. And that seems true. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's I don't I don't doubt her at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Understand horrible, right, No, just disgusting, Like and I just.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get how calling someone a spiritual your spiritual daughter

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<v Speaker 1>works as a flirtation method.

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<v Speaker 2>No, unless you're like as he is is a.

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<v Speaker 1>Praved or again you're you've you've drank so much of

0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the kool aid of this like weird extreme trunk of

0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:30.680
<v Speaker 1>the religion that that's appealing to you. Like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if we can fully get it not being part

0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.960
<v Speaker 1>of this community like you have to almost have had, right.

0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.399
<v Speaker 2>They have you seen dog tooth Like it's been a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. But there's a there's like kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess kind of a cult vibe amongst

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<v Speaker 2>the family there. But they they recontextualize words. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a little absurd to the point where like words mean

0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.159
<v Speaker 2>completely different things there. But like a lot of cults

0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.800
<v Speaker 2>do that, right, like you know in their world it's like, no,

0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.720
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't mean door like that, it means like this,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like look, no matter what way you look

0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:05.320
<v Speaker 2>at it's fucked up. But in there will let you say,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just everything is on a different planet by that stage.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I yeah, I think that that's exactly it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And what you're talking about that is another common cult

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<v Speaker 1>tactic is the reframing of words, in part because it

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<v Speaker 1>creates a bond. It's the same I brought this up

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, but it's the same way. Like if you

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<v Speaker 1>and your friends are really into MMA or really into

0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.760
<v Speaker 1>something like Warhammer or some video game, there's like different

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<v Speaker 1>terms that like are used within the community, or like

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<v Speaker 1>you're part of an online forum or something, and that

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<v Speaker 1>creates a sense of bonding that like I know what

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<v Speaker 1>this means when I say, and so do you. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not unhealthy inherently, but the extreme version of that is

0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:47.119
<v Speaker 1>is an effective cult tactic, both because it makes people

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<v Speaker 1>bond and it also cuts people off from the app.

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<v Speaker 1>When you do it extremely enough and you're fundamentally you

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<v Speaker 1>can't understand what other people are saying and they can't

0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 1>understand you. That creates this kind of I that furthers

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<v Speaker 1>this sense of isolation that's necessary for cults to work

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<v Speaker 1>the way they work.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, in in group thinking and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exactly, now we've talked about the spiritual daughter flirtation method.

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<v Speaker 1>His other way of appealing to the women that he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to go after was much simpler. And I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to quote again from the News Herald. According to Yohi,

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor made a habit of buying her expensive gifts, including

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<v Speaker 1>lobitine red bottom shoes, a fur coat, and a Jaguar

0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Sedan during their relationship. She said, some of the money

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<v Speaker 1>for gifts came from JMMI that's the church accounts. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>God just spoke to him to bless me with a car.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, so that money for my car actually came

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:42.480
<v Speaker 1>from Joshua Media ministries. Absolutely, he says that he doesn't

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:45.840
<v Speaker 1>deny that. He says, yes, our ministry blesses other ministries

0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:50.879
<v Speaker 1>with vehicles sometimes. Now, if you're wondering, is that tax fraud,

0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.760
<v Speaker 1>give your mistress a card using church bundy. The answer

0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:59.480
<v Speaker 1>is yes, yes, although in a way that isn't easy

0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:04.200
<v Speaker 1>necessarily to prove or get do right. This isn't the

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:06.440
<v Speaker 1>thing that gets caught easily. And in fact, most of

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:08.560
<v Speaker 1>the shit like this happens all the time with a

0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:10.400
<v Speaker 1>bunch of different churches in the US, and it usually

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 1>does not get caught right. Churches are tax exempt, so

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.439
<v Speaker 1>they don't have to pay taxes on donations for the

0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 1>church to use to conduct its normal business of existing

0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:23.840
<v Speaker 1>as a church. But that doesn't mean that churches and

0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:27.520
<v Speaker 1>church pastors or other kinds of church leaders just don't

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 1>ever have to pay taxes. For example, if your church

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:35.800
<v Speaker 1>pays a salary to the pastor or priest or whatever

0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:40.200
<v Speaker 1>they have to there, they still have to pay payroll taxes. Right,

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:42.400
<v Speaker 1>It's the same if they pay taxes to their workers,

0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:45.680
<v Speaker 1>they still pay payroll taxes. Right. Churches are not exempt

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.640
<v Speaker 1>from that sort of thing. Like that's just the way, right,

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Like it's it's it's one thing the church should the church,

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 1>for example, shouldn't have to pay. This is the way

0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:56.159
<v Speaker 1>the law works. I'm not saying I agree with this.

0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:58.439
<v Speaker 1>I disagree with this. But the church does not have

0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 1>to pay like a property tax for their church to

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:06.159
<v Speaker 1>continue to exist as a church. But once the money

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>is going into people accounts as like a salary that

0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:13.920
<v Speaker 1>you pay money on as normal. Right, And so if

0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 1>you're paying the pastor millions of dollars to buy luxury

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 1>cars in a private jet and live in mansions, that

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 1>money's supposed to be taxed. But if the church just

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>buys luxury cars and a private jet that are the

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 1>church's property, then they can get away without paying taxes.

0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:34.639
<v Speaker 1>It just so happens that the cult leader is the

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.360
<v Speaker 1>only one who gets to use them, right, And this

0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:41.520
<v Speaker 1>is it works usually. I think there's a degree to

0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 1>which and this is Taylor has probably crossed the line

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>because the IRS is after him. But you can get

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 1>away with a lot in this regard, right, like churches

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:55.480
<v Speaker 1>often do get away with a lot. No, that's not

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:59.560
<v Speaker 1>my private jet, it's the ministry's private jet.

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>But once you're buying your mistress a car, well that's

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:09.280
<v Speaker 1>not the same. That's not a church expense, and so

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 1>she is expected to pay. You should be paying taxes

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:15.680
<v Speaker 1>on that, right, Someone should be paying taxes on these gifts, right,

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 1>because you can't give that. You can't give gifts over

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>a certain amount and not have them be taxed, you know.

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.160
<v Speaker 1>So there is a bunch of tax fraud going on here, right.

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm both pointing out that there's a lot you can

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.120
<v Speaker 1>get away with as a church in terms of tax

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 1>exempt stuff, and Taylor is constantly exceeding that remit like

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 1>he is absolutely committing tax crimes. It's just it takes

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:41.200
<v Speaker 1>a while for this to get caught because, for one thing,

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 1>the irs is kind of scared of going after churches

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:48.679
<v Speaker 1>in the US, right because well, for one thing, it's

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:53.679
<v Speaker 1>really bad pr Whenever a Republican is in office, it

0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:55.639
<v Speaker 1>becomes a lot easier for them to get away with this.

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 1>But the Democrat Democrat like administrations don't really want that

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 1>kind to fight either, because the church will always say, oh,

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.399
<v Speaker 1>this is this is discrimination, this is anti Christian discrimination.

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:09.879
<v Speaker 1>They're coming after me because of my faith, right, and

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:13.160
<v Speaker 1>it's just easier to ignore it. And that is usually

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.399
<v Speaker 1>what happens, right, And this is a part of the

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 1>massive probably have because these churches often, I mean, there's

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.439
<v Speaker 1>a lot that they often do. Like it's incredibly common

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 1>for churches to basically like expressly give political orders or

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:33.120
<v Speaker 1>tell the congregation this is how you should vote, this

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 1>is who you should support politically. And churches aren't supposed

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 1>to be able to do that and keep their taxes

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:42.160
<v Speaker 1>in status, but they do all the time because everyone's

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:44.120
<v Speaker 1>scared of pissing these people off.

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:46.879
<v Speaker 2>Let's go too off track, but it just obviously you

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 2>know about this, So would that be something that like,

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 2>for example, the evangelicals are doing with Trump obviously they

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, they be pro genocide in Gaza, And I

0:27:57.359 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 2>was just the whole time, I was like, why the

0:27:58.560 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck? Is like, how do they have this

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.200
<v Speaker 2>much power? It's something like that, is it?

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, because these these churches have huge amounts of

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>money and they put that money towards different like that

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:11.439
<v Speaker 1>is a lot of like the right, A lot of

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the money that comes from the right does come from

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 1>these these megachurches and these megachurch leaders who have just

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 1>buckets of cash. And it's it's also just that's why

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>it's such a fertile grifting ground. Is like creating a

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote church or calling yourself a pastor, is you

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 1>can get away with a lot, and they're usually scared

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 1>to come after you. You know, this is not what the

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>episode is about, but this happens constantly. Like Taylor. Taylor

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 1>is weird because he crossed the line enough that he

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>gets in trouble for tax fraud, right, which very rarely

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 1>happens to these guys. Now, for his part, like a

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 1>certain president, Taylor claimed to have refused any salary at all, right,

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that he's not getting any money for what he's doing.

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 1>And this is the kind of thing that sounds good

0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>when you say it on stage to an adoring audience

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 1>who aren't going to question you. But it's also the

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.479
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing that looks like tax fraud because it is.

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 1>There's an organization called the Trinity Foundation which monitors religious

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>fraud and actually looks for stuff like this, and they

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 1>published an investigation into tax fraud by DAVIDY. Taylor and

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>the Joshua Media Ministries International in twenty eighteen. Right, so

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 1>this there has been evidence, and this is extremely detailed.

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 1>I would call this like a like smoking gun inarguable

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 1>report what they put out. I've read through the entire thing.

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 1>It is excellent work. It's it's very it's kind of

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.200
<v Speaker 1>wonkish because it's more focused. We're focusing on all of

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the fucked up abuse of human beings. They are focused on.

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Here is something he said, Here's an expense we know

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 1>that was made. Here are the exact tax laws it violates. Right,

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of dry reading.

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 2>But like how the like I sorry, but like I

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 2>guess it's kind of in the way of like, I

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>guess it's a not a bad idea, Like you know,

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 2>like al Capone, they went after his tax It's like, yeah,

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 2>it's easy to get him on this right.

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Right, And it's it's proof write without anyone you don't need. Yeah,

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 1>it's black and white. And you don't need someone who

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.680
<v Speaker 1>is like an abuse victim and traumatized to be willing

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 1>to testify, which is hard to do, right, you know,

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 1>not making it a moral judgment. It's just difficult to

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 1>get people to talk when they've been through something like

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 1>this for a variety of reasons. And you don't need

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 1>that with tax fraud.

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 1>And in that report, the Trinity Foundation says that like

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>they consider whenever you hear that the head of a

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>church is going without salary, that is a huge red flag.

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>That's like one of their big warnings that fraud.

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Is going on. Quote.

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Taylor lives in an apparent lavish lifestyle and appears to

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 1>use the church account as his personal piggybank. In his deposition,

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>he says that he lives off gifts that are personally

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 1>donated to him, which do not count as a salary,

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>and that deposition was from a twenty fourteen He gets

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 1>charged with tax fraud in twenty fourteen and his church

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 1>loses its taxi status for like a year and then

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>gets it back almost immediately. But this part has been

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>going on for a while. The tax fraud has been

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>known for about a decade before he actually gets in

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>any serious trouble, which shows you how hard it is

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 1>even when they even when they know there's tax fraud

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 1>to the extent that the IRS comes after you for

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>it and takes away your taxis and status, you can

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 1>get it back the next year and nothing will happen, right,

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>because we just don't take these kind of crimes seriously

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 1>in the United States.

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 2>It's like legal crime.

0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. If you do it with a church, it's

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 1>not a crime now. That report also goes into one

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>of David Taylor's grifts from November of twenty eighteen, a

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>praise a thon where he asked his followers to donate

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>to sponsor three hundred new students who would be trained

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 1>and brought into his ministries volunteers. And I think the

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 1>idea was that he would personally instruct these people in

0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>the art of talking to Jesus so that they could

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 1>learn how to heal people with prayer. The Trinity Foundation

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 1>notes quote students and this is them describing the pitch

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>that Taylor was making, students will be taught to do

0:31:56.640 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 1>things even medical doctors insurgents can't do. Damn they go

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 1>what oh dear? They want to summarize, he claims he

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 1>provided housing, meals, clothing, hygien and training for them at

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 1>a cost of about one hundred and fifty k for

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>each student's first year more if their entire family relocated

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 1>with them. That comes to a total of forty five

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 1>million requested for that project alone. Taylor claims that they

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>will be provided more than even an accredited Bible college

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 1>would and that many would receive a salary after completing

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>their training. Now this doesn't ever seem to have happened.

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>No money was actually devoted to this program. I have

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 1>found zero evidence that any of his followers were ever

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 1>paid a salary after finishing their training. This was a

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 1>grift at both ends. The donated money was not being

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>used for the promised purpose, and the people that he

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>did sign up as students weren't being given degrees, and

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 1>they weren't being given salaries and jobs. They were made

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 1>to work at a call center and abused. Right now,

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I know some of you may be wanting to get

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>this point, Robert. You said none of the donated money

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 1>went to feeding her sheltering these unpaid volunteer students. But

0:32:57.880 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 1>that can't be true, right, they had to have been.

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 1>We saw where they were living. It can't be expensive.

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 1>But clearly the cult was paying for beds and paying

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 1>for food because these people weren't allowed to have jobs

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 1>or money on their own. They would have starved if

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 1>none of the donation money went to supporting them, Right,

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>and well, all I have to say to that is,

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 1>my dear friends, you've forgotten the sublime joy of welfare fraud,

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 1>because that's how he's feeding these people. One of the

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 1>main whistleblowers against JMMI is a former follower of Tailor's

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 1>named Chris Sorenson. And we'll talk about Chris's journey a

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.719
<v Speaker 1>little later, but he's one of three former members who

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>have alleged to the Tennessee News Herald that Taylor's cult

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 1>fed its worker followers not using the tens of millions

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>in donations, but via EBT fraud. Right, that's our the car.

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 1>If you're poor enough, you get these electronic benefits transfer

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.040
<v Speaker 1>cards that'll let you allow you to buy certain kinds

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 1>of food and drink. Right, it's for people who will

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 1>starve otherwise. You know, that's what EBT is for.

0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wondered for a long time what that was at.

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 2>So it's like essentially like benefits so you can live

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 2>if you lose your job or whatever.

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, right, right, exactly it's supposed to be. It's and

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:08.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, the program doesn't work nearly as well as

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>it should. It's gotten much worse in the last year

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 1>because of cuts to it. But what it is supposed

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:14.760
<v Speaker 1>to be is that if you are if you can't

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:18.279
<v Speaker 1>basically you can't feed yourself otherwise, this give gets you

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the benefits you need to keep you and your family

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:23.359
<v Speaker 1>from starving. And this is how the cult made sure

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 1>that they didn't have to pay even a dime of

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 1>their money to keep their people making the money working

0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>the call center alive. Quote from the News Herald JMMI

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 1>instructed church members to claim homelessness with the state of

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Michigan in order sorry not to, I said Tennessee earlier's

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Michigan in order to get electronic benefits transfer cards. Members

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.880
<v Speaker 1>then allegedly pooled the cards to an appointed designatee who

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 1>would shop for everyone at nearby stores. Every person had

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.399
<v Speaker 1>to have an EBT card, a food stamp card. Sore

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 1>instance said. They said, if you don't get one, you're

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 1>not going to eat. So you have fifty people to

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.280
<v Speaker 1>feed and one card will last one day. You'll totally

0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 1>empty one card on the whole entire staff. And it's

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 1>not for you personally, it's to spend on the whole

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>entire group, so you're not using your own card. I

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 1>was in charge of it. I had to make an

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Excel spreadsheet of the status of everyone's card, and we

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 1>kept them all in this little trapper keep or plastic box.

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:14.800
<v Speaker 1>It's just this cult. He brings in fifty million dollars

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:17.279
<v Speaker 1>in less than a decade just from donations to the

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 1>you can Feed people.

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Why those gait is like, you're already so fucking rich,

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:28.399
<v Speaker 2>Why even risk getting into this trouble for this kind

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 2>of thing? You know, it's just like beyond me. I

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 2>get Do they think they're untouchable?

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:35.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean they were for a very long time. Gets

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:37.840
<v Speaker 1>away with this for closing it on twenty years. And

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I think it's also with people like this, I think

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.880
<v Speaker 1>they almost feel a sense of disgust at the idea

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:46.240
<v Speaker 1>that they might spend any of their money on other people.

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, I really I think that there's something pathological

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:55.359
<v Speaker 1>going on. I maybe maybe I'm kind of reading into

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:57.439
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit, but like I just I don't

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:00.799
<v Speaker 1>know what else it could be, you know, And it's

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>probably worth talking about here. How food and shelter were

0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 1>both used as weapons by David E. Taylor to keep

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:08.920
<v Speaker 1>his workforce functioning without complaint. His first line of defense was,

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:11.479
<v Speaker 1>of course, threatening to damn people to hell or even

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 1>have God harm them or their loved ones. But when

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the power of those threats started to wane, his reliable

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>backup was promising to make people homeless if they resisted

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 1>or failed to hit quotas. And I'm going to quote

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>directly from the federal indictment here, Honor. About May fifth,

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, at twelve twenty six am, Taylor texted

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 1>to DG, his current armor bearer tasked with communicating his

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:34.360
<v Speaker 1>orders to staff whose identity is known to the Grand jury.

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:36.800
<v Speaker 1>You'll have to raise one hundred and sixty four thousand

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>dollars today. Each hour you fall behind, consequences will start.

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>We will mess with the food. You will fast from

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 1>the regular food. Or abstain for a while. Normally, as

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 1>of now, there's a twenty one day peanut, butter and

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 1>jelly regiment. Like before, those who do not push their

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>calls individually and as a team with the right amount

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:55.319
<v Speaker 1>of people and closing numbers at six pm, they don't

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 1>need dinner at all if they do good afterward this time,

0:36:58.120 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and then at the end of the night they may

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 1>get a snack for bed, but not much. And this

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>regiment will go on every day for twenty one days

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.759
<v Speaker 1>until they obey take away the food. There will be

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 1>other consequences. We must make them fast and pray. He

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 1>does two exclamation points at the end of each of

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 1>those sentences. I don't know why.

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 2>You can clearly, I think if you are in the

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 2>mindset where you'll abuse people so much to the point

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 2>where you're saying, yeah, like I can make your mother

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 2>with cancer get better or your dad with aides or whatever,

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 2>and then you get really, really rich. Anyway, It's like,

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 2>I think the whole psychotic element just gets compounded, and

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 2>that's what it sounds like there. It's like he thinks he's.

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 1>God, yeah yeah, with a devil maybe yeah yeah. On

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>other occasions he enforced multi day fasts when call center

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 1>workers couldn't make his impossible quotas. Sleep was also commonly

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:53.720
<v Speaker 1>withheld as a punishment, although it might be more accurate

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 1>to say that Taylor structured his quotas in such a

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 1>way that no one could make them, which was automatically

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>punished by being made to work until four am. In addition,

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 1>whenever the cold had trouble making its numbers, which was always,

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 1>he'd schedule mandatory meetings which ran from three to six

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 1>hours long. So if you're keeping track, this meant that

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 1>anytime the money wasn't as much as he wanted, and

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.200
<v Speaker 1>it was never as much as he wanted, the staff

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 1>was basically banned from sleeping almost entirely right. This is

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 1>presented as a mix of punishment and strategy, but the

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 1>overall goal was to make sure none of his full

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:30.840
<v Speaker 1>time workers ever get sleep, because that keeps them in

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the state. Well, they'll do whatever he says, like zombies.

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Like zombies. Here's the indictment again, Honor. About September nineteenth,

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:41.680
<v Speaker 1>at ten twenty one pm, Taylor texted to victim DG, Michelle,

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:43.879
<v Speaker 1>and Kia make them all stand and tell them if

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:45.759
<v Speaker 1>the punishment to four am. Don't work. I'm going to

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 1>make it worser and worser. They are going to get

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.239
<v Speaker 1>their beds out of my house and sleep in the garage.

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Everyone piled in there. This ruthless boot camp is going

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:54.799
<v Speaker 1>to get worse and worse until they do what we

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.840
<v Speaker 1>are telling them. There will only be soup, bread and

0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:00.080
<v Speaker 1>water for all the degenerates every day.

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:02.760
<v Speaker 2>The degenerates. Is that what he called them.

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 1>The degenerates? Yes, yes, because they're not. They couldn't make

0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and sixty four thousand dollars in a day

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:08.320
<v Speaker 1>like God demanded.

0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Wow, you know, it's what Jesus would want.

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>It's what Jesus would want. About a month after this,

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 1>he sent another message complaining I can't be kind to

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 1>you letting you start later and sleep in because members

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:22.440
<v Speaker 1>of the team had fallen behind again on his impossible

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 1>quotas All Caps now, I don't care if you are tired.

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:28.719
<v Speaker 1>You've crossed the line. You're going to work all night

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and get up in the morning. I want the names

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:32.279
<v Speaker 1>of those who are not helping with this push, or

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 1>doing their work or showing change, All Caps. They are

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>going to the homeless shelter. Right again, this is directly

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:43.320
<v Speaker 1>the threat is I've already reduced you to near homelessness.

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 1>If you cross the line, you're out on your ass right.

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Off to take in everything you add anyway.

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:51.840
<v Speaker 1>You can't even get EBT because we have your EBT

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 1>card right, like you're already on it. Your are because

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:55.280
<v Speaker 1>you don't get that forever.

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:58.319
<v Speaker 1>That's the other thing is that like these people are

0:39:58.400 --> 0:39:59.880
<v Speaker 1>so comprehensively fucked.

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I know, like obviously this is a cult and that's

0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 2>how it is. But it's also I guess the two

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:08.359
<v Speaker 2>go hand in hand. But it's also like turning into

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:12.759
<v Speaker 2>a pretty evident kind of human trafficking ring. If they're

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 2>like moving people around just to kind of be in

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 2>what was essentially slave labor, taking all their identity, their rights,

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 2>making money off them, Like it's a serious criminal enterprise

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:23.319
<v Speaker 2>at this stage.

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep, absolutely now. In the federal indictment, former cult

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:31.319
<v Speaker 1>members alleged that Taylor would often threaten his victims by

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 1>explaining the power God gave him, rebuking them for disobedience,

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>and cursing those who stopped working for him or spoke

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 1>negatively about him. In addition, quote the defendants required the

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:43.840
<v Speaker 1>victims to request permission to leave their housing or the

0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:47.360
<v Speaker 1>call centers, and control their access to transportation. The defendants

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 1>rarely permitted victims to seek outside medical attention. The defendants

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>often denied victims medical attention altogether. In some instances, the

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:57.279
<v Speaker 1>defendants physically abused victims when Taylor was displeased with the

0:40:57.320 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 1>actions or behavior of victims. Now I noted at the

0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:03.920
<v Speaker 1>top of these episodes that this cult was one of

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 1>the ones that I have some trouble really understanding. So

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 1>we should look into a couple of case studies of

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:12.399
<v Speaker 1>former members who found themselves wrapped up in Taylor's group

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 1>and ultimately escaped. One local Houston news station KPRC two

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 1>interviewed a friend of a woman who joined the cult

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 1>because she was groomed as a bride for Taylor. Quote

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 1>from the beginning, it was great, exciting, as they usually are,

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 1>the woman said, but I kept warning her that something

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 1>sounded like a cult. Her friend eventually cut off all communication,

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 1>but returned a year later, revealing the mental and psychological

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 1>abuse she endured. She said they starved her, mentally and

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 1>psychologically abused her, and used scripture in hell to condemn her.

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:43.320
<v Speaker 1>The woman said it was almost like a loyalty program.

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 1>They had to defend the top person and their ministry,

0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and when her friend ultimately escaped, quote, she didn't know

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 1>what to believe, who to trust, what churches to trust.

0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 1>And this is where she says that her friend restored

0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.319
<v Speaker 1>her faith despite her trauma and found another church, which

0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 1>is depicted as a positive end in the artic. I

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>can't help feeling maybe you needed a break from religion

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:07.479
<v Speaker 1>for a while. Maybe maybe like maybe a little while

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:10.320
<v Speaker 1>out there, you know, the rest of your all the

0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 1>months off of a religion. Yeah, and it's you know,

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:18.399
<v Speaker 1>outside of Because we're talking again about how crazy all

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 1>of this seems on the inside. I need to emphasize

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 1>unless you are paying attention to like the Trinity Foundations

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:29.239
<v Speaker 1>reporting on their tax fraud and stuff, none of this

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:32.840
<v Speaker 1>is super obvious. There's not any mainstream news articles for

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:35.480
<v Speaker 1>a while. You get starting like a year, a couple

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 1>of years ago. You do get some local press about

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.280
<v Speaker 1>some of the allegations, but there's very little to find

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 1>on these people, and they also seem to have some

0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 1>like fairly high profile backers. From July thirty first to

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.960
<v Speaker 1>August fourth of twenty nineteen, David Taylor held a miracle

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 1>crusade against cancer in Taylor, Michigan, and it featured like

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 1>One of the people who spoke at the event dent

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:04.919
<v Speaker 1>was Andre Gslarowski, who's the chairman of an Israeli nonprofit

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>called the Helping Hand Coalition that supports Holocaust survivors. Right

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:12.279
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to quote from the Trinity Foundations right

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:16.399
<v Speaker 1>up here. Gasarowski co founded the conglomerate art B, which

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:20.440
<v Speaker 1>looted the Polish banking system. Then Gasiroowski fled the country.

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.759
<v Speaker 1>He moved to Israel to avoid extradition. In nineteen ninety one,

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 1>The Washington Post explained the criminal enterprise. The company's founders

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 1>discovered that a helicopter could move cash around Poland faster

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:34.239
<v Speaker 1>than the antiquated banking system could clear checks. Art B

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:37.640
<v Speaker 1>shuffled about eighteen billion through the banking system, picking up

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>an estimated three hundred and sixty million an interest on

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:42.200
<v Speaker 1>money that was in several accounts. At the same time,

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 1>a Polish court convicted Gasierowski's business partner, Bogoslaw Bogsik. Radio

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Free Europe reported Bogsik was found guilty of cheating the

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:52.279
<v Speaker 1>Polish banking system out of four hundred and twenty four

0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:55.560
<v Speaker 1>millions lotties ninety four million US dollars, defrauding a bank,

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:58.480
<v Speaker 1>bribing bank clerks, and carrying out financial misdeeds connected with

0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 1>his company art B. As of the year two thousand,

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Polish investigators estimated that Bagsick may still have some forty

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:07.800
<v Speaker 1>million abroad, and Gasierowski twice that amount. After moving to Israel,

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Gasiroowski reinvented himself as a philanthropist, but failed to pay

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:14.040
<v Speaker 1>back the people he defrauded. JMMI is raising money for

0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 1>a partnership with Gasiorowski's Helping Hand Coalition, claiming to bring

0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 1>aid to thousands of impoverished Holocaust survivors use in desperate need,

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 1>But it is impossible to know how much money is

0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 1>actually going to the Helping Hand Coalition. So on paper,

0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 1>this guy is working with a foundation that helps an

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Israeli nonprofit that helps Holocaust survivors. Then you look into

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 1>it and it's like, no, this guy defrauded the Polish

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:38.239
<v Speaker 1>banking system to the tune of hundreds of millions of

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:42.400
<v Speaker 1>dollars and whatever he's doing now this coalition, now that

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:45.919
<v Speaker 1>he's fled to Israel to avoid prosecution is some kind

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 1>of con right. It's a Holocaust survivor con like he

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:54.360
<v Speaker 1>is stealing buddy from holocaust SFI it doesn't get and

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:58.240
<v Speaker 1>David Taylor's helping. Yeah, that's about as bad as it gets.

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really bad. It's like the worst side hustle

0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:05.719
<v Speaker 2>ever after already doing all the worst things he ever did,

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:06.359
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean?

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'd love to know how that conversation start.

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Was like, hey, I hear you're in some really fucked

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 1>up shit, DAVIDY. Taylor. You know you're trafficking people, committing

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 1>all sorts of sex crimes. How would you like to

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 1>defraud some Holocaust survivors?

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:19.839
<v Speaker 2>You know, And he was like fuck ya.

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:23.879
<v Speaker 1>And it's weird, this fucking Gasierowski, this weirdo is at least,

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's in good enough odor with the Israeli

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:30.359
<v Speaker 1>government that they're not extraditing him. And also I think

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:33.239
<v Speaker 1>it's through him. David E. Taylor gets commissioned as an

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:36.680
<v Speaker 1>official ambassador for Israel to America. It's not like a

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:41.279
<v Speaker 1>like the legally an ambassador. It's like a an honorary thing, right,

0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 1>But like he's he gets stuff like this, you know,

0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:50.720
<v Speaker 1>and he's he's working. He has this all these different

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:55.680
<v Speaker 1>on paper, humanitarian enterprises, the refuge Homes Project, which is

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:59.440
<v Speaker 1>supposed to rescue and find homes for children who have

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 1>been sold into human sex trafficking, and there's all these

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.799
<v Speaker 1>different you know, feeding the poor charities he's supposed to be.

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:07.480
<v Speaker 1>The money that gets donated him is supposed to go

0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:12.800
<v Speaker 1>to like dig water wells in poor places overseas, providing

0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving and Christmas gifts to thousands of families. There's this

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 1>disaster aid charity that's real called the Convoy of Miracles

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 1>that he just like lied and pretended to be donating

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 1>money to. They eventually like went to court because they

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:26.799
<v Speaker 1>were like, he's not He's just using our name to

0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:32.440
<v Speaker 1>steal from people. It's cool stuff. So yeah, let's talk

0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:35.799
<v Speaker 1>about well, actually let's throw to ads first because that's

0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:38.200
<v Speaker 1>probably time for that, and then we'll close out this

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 1>story and we're back. So the most entailed account we

0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 1>have from a former member is a guy named Chris Sorenson,

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 1>who I chatted about a little earlier. Chris talked to

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:56.239
<v Speaker 1>the News Herald in twenty nineteen after escaping and he

0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:59.360
<v Speaker 1>found the cold. He got involved with David E. Taylor's

0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 1>JMA my as a direct result of reading Taylor's two

0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine book Face to Face Appearances from Jesus

0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:09.640
<v Speaker 1>The Ultimate Intimacy. Sorenson claims, I got associated with Taylor,

0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:11.759
<v Speaker 1>I know, right right.

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Off his head again. Uh huh.

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Sorenson claims, I got associated with Taylor's ministry in January

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:19.440
<v Speaker 1>of twenty fifteen. That's when I very first heard of

0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:21.399
<v Speaker 1>the guy, and I saw ads for his book saying

0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 1>if you buy this book and you read it, you'll

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:25.560
<v Speaker 1>see Jesus. So I took the gamble, I bought it,

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>and I read it. And Chris's story is valuable because

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:31.840
<v Speaker 1>it illustrates the technical means by which Taylor utilized his

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 1>followers to reach out and entrap new worker drones. Within

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:38.640
<v Speaker 1>days of finishing reading the book, Sorenson wakes up, He's

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:42.320
<v Speaker 1>just finished this and there's a Facebook message from JMMI

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:46.239
<v Speaker 1>from Taylor's cult written by someone and he doesn't knows

0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:47.759
<v Speaker 1>at the time. It is written by someone living in

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 1>a warehouse owned by the Colt in Michigan, and the

0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:53.560
<v Speaker 1>message said, Jesus told me to reach out to you.

0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:55.399
<v Speaker 1>I was in prayer last night and I was drawn

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:58.400
<v Speaker 1>to your page to contact you. And Sorenson is like,

0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:00.319
<v Speaker 1>oh wow, I just read your book and now you're

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:02.279
<v Speaker 1>reaching out to me. I was so honored. You see

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:03.440
<v Speaker 1>why this would be effective? Right?

0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:03.839
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Someone has just and it feels like, well, how could

0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 1>they have known unless God told them? Right now, Sorensen,

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:14.520
<v Speaker 1>on the strength of this, because he's so overwhelmed by

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 1>what's happened and I was in a vulnerable point in

0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:20.200
<v Speaker 1>his life, he joins the cult, gives himself up entirely.

0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:23.359
<v Speaker 1>He starts working on their Michigan property full time, and

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.719
<v Speaker 1>in short order, he's the one sending spam messages to

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:31.880
<v Speaker 1>people on Facebook, and so he realizes, oh, God didn't

0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:35.640
<v Speaker 1>tell them to reach out to me, right. What's actually

0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 1>happening here is that these call center workers who are

0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:41.239
<v Speaker 1>expected to reach out to hundreds of people a day,

0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:45.840
<v Speaker 1>they're just going through the Facebook pages of David Taylor

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:48.959
<v Speaker 1>and a bunch of other prominent televangelists like Billy Graham

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:52.799
<v Speaker 1>er Joel Olstein, and they're seeing who is liking each

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 1>of the posts, and then they're just messaging people who

0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:59.640
<v Speaker 1>have recently liked posts, So Sorensen must have liked the

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 1>post about the book that he bought and read, and

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:05.160
<v Speaker 1>they see that and they reach out to him directly.

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:07.080
<v Speaker 1>That's the actual way in which they're kind of like

0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:10.239
<v Speaker 1>picking people to cold call, is like, whoever's liking these

0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:13.879
<v Speaker 1>posts from other evangelists, there's a better chance that they're

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 1>going to be vulnerable to our shtick. And they're just

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 1>messaging these people. Each individual, like call center worker, is

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:23.480
<v Speaker 1>expected to send something like a thousand messages a day,

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:26.279
<v Speaker 1>most of which are copy pasted from a script. And

0:49:26.719 --> 0:49:29.760
<v Speaker 1>even though these people are more likely to respond, most

0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:33.239
<v Speaker 1>recipients of these messages ignore what they're being sent. But

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 1>every now and then, someone liked Sorensen would get a

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:39.920
<v Speaker 1>message at just the right time that it feels like

0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 1>something's happening.

0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cold calling for Jesus basically right.

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like a cold reading kind of technique but applied

0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:52.120
<v Speaker 1>to like using social media and kind of some of

0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:56.839
<v Speaker 1>these other dynamics. Sorensen told The News Herald quote during

0:49:56.880 --> 0:50:00.439
<v Speaker 1>his six months with Joshua Media Ministries, sorens And also

0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 1>said that he was repeatedly told to leave his wife,

0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:05.360
<v Speaker 1>who was skeptical of Taylor and JMMI. He said he

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:09.240
<v Speaker 1>also witnessed Taylor physically assault other JMMI members at their building.

0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:11.720
<v Speaker 1>He recalled Taylor coming in late at night and yelling

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:14.719
<v Speaker 1>and screaming at seven men. He just started going off

0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:17.560
<v Speaker 1>on one guy and just started slapping him. Sorenson said.

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:19.400
<v Speaker 1>He slapped him two or three times, knocked him to

0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:21.160
<v Speaker 1>the ground, and then just grabbed him by the collar

0:50:21.200 --> 0:50:23.720
<v Speaker 1>and shook him. He went after another, slapped them across

0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:26.399
<v Speaker 1>the face, pushed them to the ground, sit over them.

0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Sorenson said that four of the men were being corrected

0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:32.640
<v Speaker 1>for smoking weed and two of them for interactions with females.

0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:34.799
<v Speaker 1>The seventh happened to be in the wrong place at

0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:38.279
<v Speaker 1>the wrong time. So you know, this is just a

0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:43.440
<v Speaker 1>guy who feels secure just physically abusing at random members

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>of the COLT. And this is probably another part of

0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:47.080
<v Speaker 1>like what keeps people in line is just like this

0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:52.279
<v Speaker 1>fear of being beaten, of being targeted like this. Now,

0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:54.600
<v Speaker 1>as is usually the case with colts, there were, as

0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:57.239
<v Speaker 1>I've said, numerous red flags and signs that shit was

0:50:57.239 --> 0:51:00.359
<v Speaker 1>wrong well before the raids. In twenty fourteen, they were

0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 1>audited for massive tax fraud. They lost their taxi status

0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:06.280
<v Speaker 1>at least twice over the years, and in both instances

0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 1>got it back after less than a year. Groups like

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Trinity published and directly mailed detailed reports about suspected fraud

0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:14.920
<v Speaker 1>of the irs, but this did not create any kind

0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 1>of public outrage or knowledge of what was going on,

0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:20.680
<v Speaker 1>in spite of the fact that by twenty sixteen, local

0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 1>police and Taylor, Michigan had received at least thirty calls

0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:27.320
<v Speaker 1>about JMMI. Some of these were non issues, but others

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:30.480
<v Speaker 1>were complaints from friends and family of cult members, and

0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 1>in one case there was a bomb threat made by

0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:36.960
<v Speaker 1>a former member against the organization. According to the police report,

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:39.239
<v Speaker 1>the man was quote angry that God created him, but

0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't kill God, so he would kill the pastor

0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:42.640
<v Speaker 1>of JMMI.

0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:43.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean go.

0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:48.680
<v Speaker 1>For hid by fine man. In this case. You picked

0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:53.880
<v Speaker 1>the right guy. But there was no like, there was

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:55.840
<v Speaker 1>no evidence that he actually did anything. And when the

0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 1>police responded, they're like, do you want us to search

0:51:58.160 --> 0:52:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the church for anything suspicious or a bomb dog? And

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:04.560
<v Speaker 1>church officials like, no, you don't need to come inside.

0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:05.480
<v Speaker 1>We're good.

0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Don't worry about it.

0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Don't worry about it. In June of twenty eighteen, a

0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:14.560
<v Speaker 1>former jam My member reported an assault at the church.

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:16.919
<v Speaker 1>This woman said that she had been there five days

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:19.520
<v Speaker 1>earlier to see her father and sister, who were both members,

0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:23.280
<v Speaker 1>and once she was entered, she was confronted by church

0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:26.359
<v Speaker 1>members about her bad attitude and told to leave the church,

0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:28.880
<v Speaker 1>and then was forcibly pushed and pulled from the property.

0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 1>A few months after that, a father requested help from

0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the police and getting his son out of the building.

0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:36.880
<v Speaker 1>He told them that his son worked at the church

0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:40.520
<v Speaker 1>but he wasn't sharing with capacity, and police agreed to

0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:43.440
<v Speaker 1>help and call They classified it as a mental health commitment.

0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:47.400
<v Speaker 1>So several officers like showed up and waited for the

0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:50.000
<v Speaker 1>son to come to his father's vehicle, and when they did,

0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the officers like handcuffed him and put him in the back

0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:55.560
<v Speaker 1>of a patrol car. While this happened, several minute suits

0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:58.759
<v Speaker 1>were filming outside of the buildings, like there's stuff like

0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:02.319
<v Speaker 1>this going on for years. And twenty seventeen, a guy

0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 1>in his late fifties dies of natural causes during a

0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:09.640
<v Speaker 1>pro group at JMMI, and when police and firefighters arrived

0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:11.799
<v Speaker 1>at like two fifteen am, they quote observed a group

0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:14.520
<v Speaker 1>of people chanting and singing, touching and pressing down on

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:17.160
<v Speaker 1>the body. One witness told the police that when people

0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:19.360
<v Speaker 1>prayed at the church, all of them faint under the

0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:21.839
<v Speaker 1>light of God. She told police officers that the dead

0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:24.360
<v Speaker 1>man was sleeping and God will wake him up soon.

0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Police took the body obviously, they found a stack of

0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 1>credit cards and ID and turned them over to his wife,

0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:34.880
<v Speaker 1>and the cause of death was, you know, just heart disease.

0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:37.640
<v Speaker 1>But like, yeah, it's just one of these like oh

0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:40.360
<v Speaker 1>weird that instead of calling an ambulance, they're just like

0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 1>standing around this guy and trying to bring him back

0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to life through prayer. Right, that's a little bit sketchy.

0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like first responders, but they're just praying.

0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, So anyway, that kind of stuff is around

0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:58.000
<v Speaker 1>for a while until a little bit earlier this year.

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Just really a couple of weeks ago, an FBI raid

0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:05.759
<v Speaker 1>cracks down on multiple properties, including the mansion in Tampa

0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:08.560
<v Speaker 1>where one of the leaders lived, his second in command live.

0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:11.680
<v Speaker 1>That was carried out in August, and then later there's

0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:15.360
<v Speaker 1>raids on their Taylor, Michigan facility, and a bunch of

0:54:15.360 --> 0:54:18.120
<v Speaker 1>other different call centers like five or six all around

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the country. The FBI raid revealed fifty seven victims of

0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:25.919
<v Speaker 1>forced labor living in the Florida Mansions. That's just one

0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:28.480
<v Speaker 1>of the buildings. I don't think we know entirely how

0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:30.799
<v Speaker 1>many victims have been found yet, and I don't think

0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:35.399
<v Speaker 1>they're fully done with the raids at this moment. Right now,

0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:38.640
<v Speaker 1>David Taylor and Michelle Brannon, his second, are accused of

0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:41.560
<v Speaker 1>running a forced labor and money laundering scheme through their church.

0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:47.160
<v Speaker 1>They have are being charged with quite a few different

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:50.600
<v Speaker 1>felonies right now, so we'll see what actually happens. Like,

0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much it's worth kind of going

0:54:52.719 --> 0:54:57.759
<v Speaker 1>into the details of the legal case against them, but

0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:02.680
<v Speaker 1>they're like they're looking at some pretty serious charges right

0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:08.200
<v Speaker 1>and hopefully they won't be free again. I guess it's

0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:10.160
<v Speaker 1>one of those things that it does seem like they

0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:14.600
<v Speaker 1>flew too close to the sun and the FBI has

0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:16.640
<v Speaker 1>them kind of dead to rights here. Like, I'm not

0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:20.319
<v Speaker 1>optimistic about their chances of getting out of any of this.

0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Jesus is definitely not his friend anymore, for fucking sure.

0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:28.040
<v Speaker 1>No, not his friend anymore. So at least we've got

0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:29.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of a happy ending, right.

0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:31.920
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy though when you look at this, like, Okay,

0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:36.000
<v Speaker 2>this is obviously huge, making loads of money, just horrible

0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:39.000
<v Speaker 2>levels of abuse, but it's not even one of the

0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:42.439
<v Speaker 2>big ones, you know, Like how many more of these

0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:45.600
<v Speaker 2>are going on right now? That is what worries me, man.

0:55:46.040 --> 0:55:49.200
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I will say as well, I do. I'm

0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:51.360
<v Speaker 2>not religious, like I'm not an atheist, but I'm not religious.

0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:55.640
<v Speaker 2>But I do hate how these cults use religion always

0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:57.520
<v Speaker 2>to like ride it into the wall and just do

0:55:57.560 --> 0:55:59.920
<v Speaker 2>the most crazy stuff, because there are loads of people

0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:03.319
<v Speaker 2>who are very religious who are doing the nicest stuff ever,

0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:05.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, not because they're religious, but they just they

0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:08.960
<v Speaker 2>do nice stuff and they're religious, and yeah, it's like,

0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:13.040
<v Speaker 2>well done, guys, you've just completely fucking purposely misinterpreted and

0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:16.560
<v Speaker 2>ruined something for your own gains. I mean they all

0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:18.959
<v Speaker 2>do it. I mean, whether it's you know, some kind

0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:22.719
<v Speaker 2>of horrible sex scandal in whichever religion or whatever, it's

0:56:22.719 --> 0:56:26.000
<v Speaker 2>like there's always someone that is cynically just going, yeah,

0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:28.719
<v Speaker 2>let's just use this what should be a good thing

0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and then just absolutely do evil with it. It's yeah,

0:56:32.560 --> 0:56:38.200
<v Speaker 2>it's very It's not exactly there's very few redeeming qualities

0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:40.520
<v Speaker 2>to come out of this story other than eventually they

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:41.240
<v Speaker 2>got caught.

0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Eventually they got caught, right, and they got caught. I

0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:46.719
<v Speaker 1>mean the level of success these people saw. The primary

0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:51.239
<v Speaker 1>church banking account had over forty one million dollars in it, right,

0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:54.759
<v Speaker 1>So like whilst people are doing really well, and like

0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:58.399
<v Speaker 1>the the indictment has reported a bunch of transactions you're

0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:00.960
<v Speaker 1>just between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty from Taylor and

0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Brannon that included one hundred and twenty five pounds of

0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:07.920
<v Speaker 1>super colossal red king crab legs, six seafood shears and

0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:10.640
<v Speaker 1>thirty crab cutters, ten thousand, three hundred and fifty three

0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:15.200
<v Speaker 1>dollars and forty four cents, a Mercedes Bins for sixty

0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:18.720
<v Speaker 1>three thousand dollars, a Bentley Continental seventy thousand dollars down payment,

0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:21.200
<v Speaker 1>a Crown Line boat one hundred and five thousand dollars,

0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:24.880
<v Speaker 1>two jet skis and one jet ski trailer, twenty four

0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:28.800
<v Speaker 1>grand five ATVs, thirty one thousand dollars, rolls, Royce cullin

0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:31.840
<v Speaker 1>an one hundred and twenty three thousand dollars least signing payment,

0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:35.560
<v Speaker 1>and then at least four bulletproof automobiles or at least

0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:38.440
<v Speaker 1>bulletproofing on automobiles. It's a little unclear witch to me

0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:41.840
<v Speaker 1>based on how they're the indictment's written. But yeah, did

0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:43.120
<v Speaker 1>you have that great stuff?

0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I hear all that and I'm like wow, like,

0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:48.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, on break my ass to do all these projects,

0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:51.480
<v Speaker 2>and you know, be an independent journalist.

0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Is just start a cold.

0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:54.439
<v Speaker 2>That should just be an evil colt guy and I'll

0:57:54.440 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 2>literally be able to buy it.

0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I think it every day, think it. Every day.

0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:02.080
<v Speaker 2>I get like bulletproof cars and fuckings like, yeah, oh my.

0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Gosh it, that's the grift. Fuck, that is the what

0:58:04.840 --> 0:58:05.400
<v Speaker 1>am I doing?

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<v Speaker 2>If only we were completely evil, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, if only I gave up my soul entirely, the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money I could be making.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's a good retirement plan at least.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks for that.

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<v Speaker 1>M Well, all right, you got any pluggables to plug

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<v Speaker 1>before we roll out here? That is Part two.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly mostly sad oligarch too. As I said in the

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<v Speaker 2>last episode, I'm really really happy with this. We've we've

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<v Speaker 2>had to really scrape at the research on this, even people,

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<v Speaker 2>we've reached out to are just like it's like brick wall,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's very hard to get information. But

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<v Speaker 2>we've we've really made it work in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>I think has it's kind of come out even better

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<v Speaker 2>the limitations actually because you kind of have to go

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<v Speaker 2>around the houses to get there, and on the way

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<v Speaker 2>you find a lot of interesting stuff. So yeah, sad

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<v Speaker 2>Oligarch too definitely checked that out. And Popular Front is

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<v Speaker 2>always booming. But also I've got a new documentary series

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<v Speaker 2>you can plug that Await Days that is it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's we've got the first episode is out, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, it's a very very big, big project,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know, we haven't been enough more than we

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<v Speaker 2>can tube almost it's like we almost did. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if people go to uh, you know, YouTube dot com

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<v Speaker 2>slash at Awahite Days TV, obviously it's the video version

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of the stuff they would have heard

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<v Speaker 2>in the doc here in the in the podcast that

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<v Speaker 2>we did excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>Well fucking check that out, sad Oligarch, Away Days and

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<v Speaker 1>Popular Front all of Jake Hanrahan's vast media empire, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>join us cult when he finally starts one. Yeah, soon

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<v Speaker 1>us I've started a cult by then, in which case.

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<v Speaker 2>We can just we can just call that a cult fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, uh, there we go. All right, everybody, this

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<v Speaker 1>has been Behind the Bastards. Next week we'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>with maybe a slightly different cult brilliant.

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