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Speaker 1: Also media. Oh, welcome back to Behind the Bastards. That's

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Speaker 1: the podcast that this is right now. And yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about the Kingdom of God. Not the Kingdom of

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Speaker 1: God isn't the thing that people believe exists. But the

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Speaker 1: Kingdom of God is in the cult that the FBI

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Speaker 1: just rated. Back with me as my guest, Jake Hanrahan,

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Speaker 1: the host of Popular Front and a podcast on our network,

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Speaker 1: sad Oligarch.

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Speaker 2: Jake, Yeah, you doing good. I'm good. I'm ready to

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Speaker 2: learn again about Jesus and his pretend best mate.

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Speaker 1: And his pretend best friend. DAVIDY.

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Speaker 2: Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is. I've never heard anyone claim to be

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Speaker 1: Jesus his best friend. So he's at least he's at

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Speaker 1: least you know, creative, Yeah, a thinker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not since like the Bible, you know.

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Speaker 1: Right, I don't even think anyone of the Bible had

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Speaker 1: the balls to be like, no, he's my best No,

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Speaker 1: that's true.

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Speaker 2: Like you.

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Speaker 1: So, by twenty nineteen, David E. Taylor's ministry had found

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Speaker 1: and thoroughly explored it's sweet spot, finding desperate people who

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Speaker 1: were either sick themselves or who had ailing loved ones,

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Speaker 1: and promising to convince God to solve their problems or

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Speaker 1: a price. He had a different courses of lectures in

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Speaker 1: which he would walk and these are like you know,

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Speaker 1: one of his big money making things is he'll have

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Speaker 1: couple of pastors that work under him. Will we'll teach

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Speaker 1: you right for like they'll do like a three day

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Speaker 1: lecture series, you know, on how to make personal contact

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Speaker 1: with Jesus and then how to use your newfound friendship

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Speaker 1: with Jesus to get stuff primarily to cure you and

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Speaker 1: save you're sick or dying or dead loved ones. Right

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Speaker 1: like that is the the entire grift here is that

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Speaker 1: can get favors from him and specifically like saving your

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Speaker 1: loved one favors. David's marketing people, who are again all

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Speaker 1: unpaid cold members, working and living together in these giant

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Speaker 1: warehouse spaces that he's bought across the country, managed his

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Speaker 1: social media and they would draw people to the call

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Speaker 1: in line with posts like this and this is a

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Speaker 1: July twenty nineteen Twitter post from David Taylor's account. Thousands

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Speaker 1: are being healed of cancer through the life and ministry

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Speaker 1: of David D. Taylor. Call one eight seven seven eight

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Speaker 1: you'd think, I don't know. This is the part that

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Speaker 1: this must be how getting cured works, like this must

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Speaker 1: be how God works. Is like I have to call

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Speaker 1: That's the part where I'm like, man, I just don't

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Speaker 2: He doesn't even really come across as particularly charismatic, Like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's really what it comes down to,

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Speaker 1: big in person events, one of which was called Miracles

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Speaker 1: for the Maimed. And I'm just gonna show you the

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Speaker 2: Look at that.

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Speaker 1: It's a photo of David E. Taylor holding like thirty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very fun well, not funny for the people, but

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Speaker 3: Take America, a nation formed by God, destined to be

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Speaker 2: It's like Assassin's creed is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yet in the hour of her greatest peril, heaven.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm going to stop us right here, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: what's interesting to me is Jesus's room because at the

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Speaker 1: What is Jesus doing that requires all of those bets?

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Speaker 1: He was into gold, right, he was not.

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Speaker 2: Into like loads of gold. He was into like looking

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Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. Definitely. Like one of the I think unargued

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And what's fun here is obviously that's all AI general, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, Instead we have like Jesus gold plate, Harrem

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Speaker 2: put that in there. Well, maybe it's to make people

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Speaker 1: Out and these people are again they're bringing in millions

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because like that is the I mean the things

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Speaker 2: It's why like you know, the CIA would doing it

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Speaker 1: For the DOJ. Taylor demanded that his armor bearers transport

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Speaker 1: and giving them morning after pills, right, which seems to

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Speaker 1: like Christian pop musicians and recording artists. We'll talk more

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Speaker 1: accurately described as a revenge porn ring. Right, That's how

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Speaker 1: Court documents claim that Taylor frequently solicited and received sexually

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Speaker 2: No, unless you're like as he is is a.

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Speaker 1: terms that like are used within the community, or like

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Speaker 1: you're part of an online forum or something, and that

435
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Speaker 1: creates a sense of bonding that like I know what

436
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Speaker 1: this means when I say, and so do you. That's

437
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Speaker 1: not unhealthy inherently, but the extreme version of that is

438
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Speaker 1: is an effective cult tactic, both because it makes people

439
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Speaker 1: bond and it also cuts people off from the app.

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Speaker 1: When you do it extremely enough and you're fundamentally you

441
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Speaker 1: can't understand what other people are saying and they can't

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Speaker 1: understand you. That creates this kind of I that furthers

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Speaker 1: this sense of isolation that's necessary for cults to work

444
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Speaker 1: the way they work.

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Speaker 2: You know, in in group thinking and all that.

446
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Speaker 1: Right exactly, now we've talked about the spiritual daughter flirtation method.

447
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: His other way of appealing to the women that he

448
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Speaker 1: wanted to go after was much simpler. And I'm going

449
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Speaker 1: to quote again from the News Herald. According to Yohi,

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Speaker 1: Taylor made a habit of buying her expensive gifts, including

451
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Speaker 1: lobitine red bottom shoes, a fur coat, and a Jaguar

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Speaker 1: Sedan during their relationship. She said, some of the money

453
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Speaker 1: for gifts came from JMMI that's the church accounts. He said,

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Speaker 1: God just spoke to him to bless me with a car.

455
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Speaker 1: She said, so that money for my car actually came

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Speaker 1: from Joshua Media ministries. Absolutely, he says that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: deny that. He says, yes, our ministry blesses other ministries

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Speaker 1: with vehicles sometimes. Now, if you're wondering, is that tax fraud,

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Speaker 1: give your mistress a card using church bundy. The answer

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Speaker 1: is yes, yes, although in a way that isn't easy

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Speaker 1: necessarily to prove or get do right. This isn't the

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Speaker 1: thing that gets caught easily. And in fact, most of

463
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Speaker 1: the shit like this happens all the time with a

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Speaker 1: bunch of different churches in the US, and it usually

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Speaker 1: does not get caught right. Churches are tax exempt, so

466
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Speaker 1: they don't have to pay taxes on donations for the

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Speaker 1: church to use to conduct its normal business of existing

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Speaker 1: as a church. But that doesn't mean that churches and

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Speaker 1: church pastors or other kinds of church leaders just don't

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Speaker 1: ever have to pay taxes. For example, if your church

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Speaker 1: pays a salary to the pastor or priest or whatever

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Speaker 1: they have to there, they still have to pay payroll taxes. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's the same if they pay taxes to their workers,

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Speaker 1: they still pay payroll taxes. Right. Churches are not exempt

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Speaker 1: from that sort of thing. Like that's just the way, right,

476
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Speaker 1: Like it's it's it's one thing the church should the church,

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Speaker 1: for example, shouldn't have to pay. This is the way

478
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Speaker 1: the law works. I'm not saying I agree with this.

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Speaker 1: I disagree with this. But the church does not have

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Speaker 1: to pay like a property tax for their church to

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Speaker 1: continue to exist as a church. But once the money

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Speaker 1: is going into people accounts as like a salary that

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Speaker 1: you pay money on as normal. Right, And so if

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Speaker 1: you're paying the pastor millions of dollars to buy luxury

485
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Speaker 1: cars in a private jet and live in mansions, that

486
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Speaker 1: money's supposed to be taxed. But if the church just

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Speaker 1: buys luxury cars and a private jet that are the

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Speaker 1: church's property, then they can get away without paying taxes.

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Speaker 1: It just so happens that the cult leader is the

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Speaker 1: only one who gets to use them, right, And this

491
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Speaker 1: is it works usually. I think there's a degree to

492
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Speaker 1: which and this is Taylor has probably crossed the line

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Speaker 1: because the IRS is after him. But you can get

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Speaker 1: away with a lot in this regard, right, like churches

495
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Speaker 1: often do get away with a lot. No, that's not

496
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Speaker 1: my private jet, it's the ministry's private jet.

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Speaker 2: Right.

498
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Speaker 1: But once you're buying your mistress a car, well that's

499
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Speaker 1: not the same. That's not a church expense, and so

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Speaker 1: she is expected to pay. You should be paying taxes

501
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Speaker 1: on that, right, Someone should be paying taxes on these gifts, right,

502
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Speaker 1: because you can't give that. You can't give gifts over

503
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Speaker 1: a certain amount and not have them be taxed, you know.

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Speaker 1: So there is a bunch of tax fraud going on here, right.

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Speaker 1: I'm both pointing out that there's a lot you can

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Speaker 1: get away with as a church in terms of tax

507
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Speaker 1: exempt stuff, and Taylor is constantly exceeding that remit like

508
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Speaker 1: he is absolutely committing tax crimes. It's just it takes

509
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Speaker 1: a while for this to get caught because, for one thing,

510
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Speaker 1: the irs is kind of scared of going after churches

511
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Speaker 1: in the US, right because well, for one thing, it's

512
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Speaker 1: really bad pr Whenever a Republican is in office, it

513
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Speaker 1: becomes a lot easier for them to get away with this.

514
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Speaker 1: But the Democrat Democrat like administrations don't really want that

515
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Speaker 1: kind to fight either, because the church will always say, oh,

516
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: this is this is discrimination, this is anti Christian discrimination.

517
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: They're coming after me because of my faith, right, and

518
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: it's just easier to ignore it. And that is usually

519
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Speaker 1: what happens, right, And this is a part of the

520
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Speaker 1: massive probably have because these churches often, I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot that they often do. Like it's incredibly common

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Speaker 1: for churches to basically like expressly give political orders or

523
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Speaker 1: tell the congregation this is how you should vote, this

524
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Speaker 1: is who you should support politically. And churches aren't supposed

525
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Speaker 1: to be able to do that and keep their taxes

526
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Speaker 1: in status, but they do all the time because everyone's

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Speaker 1: scared of pissing these people off.

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Speaker 2: Let's go too off track, but it just obviously you

529
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Speaker 2: know about this, So would that be something that like,

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Speaker 2: for example, the evangelicals are doing with Trump obviously they

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Speaker 2: you know, they be pro genocide in Gaza, And I

532
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: was just the whole time, I was like, why the

533
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Speaker 2: what the fuck? Is like, how do they have this

534
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Speaker 2: much power? It's something like that, is it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, because these these churches have huge amounts of

536
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Speaker 1: money and they put that money towards different like that

537
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: is a lot of like the right, A lot of

538
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Speaker 1: the money that comes from the right does come from

539
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Speaker 1: these these megachurches and these megachurch leaders who have just

540
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Speaker 1: buckets of cash. And it's it's also just that's why

541
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: it's such a fertile grifting ground. Is like creating a

542
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Speaker 1: quote unquote church or calling yourself a pastor, is you

543
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: can get away with a lot, and they're usually scared

544
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Speaker 1: to come after you. You know, this is not what the

545
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: episode is about, but this happens constantly. Like Taylor. Taylor

546
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Speaker 1: is weird because he crossed the line enough that he

547
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Speaker 1: gets in trouble for tax fraud, right, which very rarely

548
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: happens to these guys. Now, for his part, like a

549
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: certain president, Taylor claimed to have refused any salary at all, right,

550
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Speaker 1: that he's not getting any money for what he's doing.

551
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: And this is the kind of thing that sounds good

552
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Speaker 1: when you say it on stage to an adoring audience

553
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Speaker 1: who aren't going to question you. But it's also the

554
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Speaker 1: kind of thing that looks like tax fraud because it is.

555
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Speaker 1: There's an organization called the Trinity Foundation which monitors religious

556
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Speaker 1: fraud and actually looks for stuff like this, and they

557
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Speaker 1: published an investigation into tax fraud by DAVIDY. Taylor and

558
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Speaker 1: the Joshua Media Ministries International in twenty eighteen. Right, so

559
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Speaker 1: this there has been evidence, and this is extremely detailed.

560
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Speaker 1: I would call this like a like smoking gun inarguable

561
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Speaker 1: report what they put out. I've read through the entire thing.

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Speaker 1: It is excellent work. It's it's very it's kind of

563
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: wonkish because it's more focused. We're focusing on all of

564
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Speaker 1: the fucked up abuse of human beings. They are focused on.

565
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Speaker 1: Here is something he said, Here's an expense we know

566
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Speaker 1: that was made. Here are the exact tax laws it violates. Right,

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of dry reading.

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Speaker 2: But like how the like I sorry, but like I

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Speaker 2: guess it's kind of in the way of like, I

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Speaker 2: guess it's a not a bad idea, Like you know,

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Speaker 2: like al Capone, they went after his tax It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's easy to get him on this right.

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Speaker 1: Right, And it's it's proof write without anyone you don't need. Yeah,

574
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Speaker 1: it's black and white. And you don't need someone who

575
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Speaker 1: is like an abuse victim and traumatized to be willing

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Speaker 1: to testify, which is hard to do, right, you know,

577
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: not making it a moral judgment. It's just difficult to

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Speaker 1: get people to talk when they've been through something like

579
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Speaker 1: this for a variety of reasons. And you don't need

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Speaker 1: that with tax fraud.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: And in that report, the Trinity Foundation says that like

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Speaker 1: they consider whenever you hear that the head of a

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Speaker 1: church is going without salary, that is a huge red flag.

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Speaker 1: That's like one of their big warnings that fraud.

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Speaker 2: Is going on. Quote.

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Speaker 1: Taylor lives in an apparent lavish lifestyle and appears to

588
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Speaker 1: use the church account as his personal piggybank. In his deposition,

589
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Speaker 1: he says that he lives off gifts that are personally

590
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Speaker 1: donated to him, which do not count as a salary,

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Speaker 1: and that deposition was from a twenty fourteen He gets

592
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Speaker 1: charged with tax fraud in twenty fourteen and his church

593
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Speaker 1: loses its taxi status for like a year and then

594
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Speaker 1: gets it back almost immediately. But this part has been

595
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Speaker 1: going on for a while. The tax fraud has been

596
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Speaker 1: known for about a decade before he actually gets in

597
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Speaker 1: any serious trouble, which shows you how hard it is

598
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Speaker 1: even when they even when they know there's tax fraud

599
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Speaker 1: to the extent that the IRS comes after you for

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Speaker 1: it and takes away your taxis and status, you can

601
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Speaker 1: get it back the next year and nothing will happen, right,

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Speaker 1: because we just don't take these kind of crimes seriously

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Speaker 1: in the United States.

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Speaker 2: It's like legal crime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. If you do it with a church, it's

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Speaker 1: not a crime now. That report also goes into one

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Speaker 1: of David Taylor's grifts from November of twenty eighteen, a

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Speaker 1: praise a thon where he asked his followers to donate

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Speaker 1: to sponsor three hundred new students who would be trained

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Speaker 1: and brought into his ministries volunteers. And I think the

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Speaker 1: idea was that he would personally instruct these people in

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Speaker 1: the art of talking to Jesus so that they could

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Speaker 1: learn how to heal people with prayer. The Trinity Foundation

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Speaker 1: notes quote students and this is them describing the pitch

615
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Speaker 1: that Taylor was making, students will be taught to do

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Speaker 1: things even medical doctors insurgents can't do. Damn they go

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Speaker 1: what oh dear? They want to summarize, he claims he

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Speaker 1: provided housing, meals, clothing, hygien and training for them at

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Speaker 1: a cost of about one hundred and fifty k for

620
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Speaker 1: each student's first year more if their entire family relocated

621
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Speaker 1: with them. That comes to a total of forty five

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Speaker 1: million requested for that project alone. Taylor claims that they

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Speaker 1: will be provided more than even an accredited Bible college

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Speaker 1: would and that many would receive a salary after completing

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Speaker 1: their training. Now this doesn't ever seem to have happened.

626
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Speaker 1: No money was actually devoted to this program. I have

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Speaker 1: found zero evidence that any of his followers were ever

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Speaker 1: paid a salary after finishing their training. This was a

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Speaker 1: grift at both ends. The donated money was not being

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Speaker 1: used for the promised purpose, and the people that he

631
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Speaker 1: did sign up as students weren't being given degrees, and

632
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Speaker 1: they weren't being given salaries and jobs. They were made

633
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Speaker 1: to work at a call center and abused. Right now,

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Speaker 1: I know some of you may be wanting to get

635
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Speaker 1: this point, Robert. You said none of the donated money

636
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Speaker 1: went to feeding her sheltering these unpaid volunteer students. But

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Speaker 1: that can't be true, right, they had to have been.

638
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: We saw where they were living. It can't be expensive.

639
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Speaker 1: But clearly the cult was paying for beds and paying

640
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Speaker 1: for food because these people weren't allowed to have jobs

641
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: or money on their own. They would have starved if

642
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: none of the donation money went to supporting them, Right,

643
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Speaker 1: and well, all I have to say to that is,

644
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: my dear friends, you've forgotten the sublime joy of welfare fraud,

645
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: because that's how he's feeding these people. One of the

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Speaker 1: main whistleblowers against JMMI is a former follower of Tailor's

647
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Speaker 1: named Chris Sorenson. And we'll talk about Chris's journey a

648
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: little later, but he's one of three former members who

649
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: have alleged to the Tennessee News Herald that Taylor's cult

650
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: fed its worker followers not using the tens of millions

651
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: in donations, but via EBT fraud. Right, that's our the car.

652
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: If you're poor enough, you get these electronic benefits transfer

653
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: cards that'll let you allow you to buy certain kinds

654
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: of food and drink. Right, it's for people who will

655
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: starve otherwise. You know, that's what EBT is for.

656
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wondered for a long time what that was at.

657
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: So it's like essentially like benefits so you can live

658
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: if you lose your job or whatever.

659
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: Yes, right, right, exactly it's supposed to be. It's and

660
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: you know, the program doesn't work nearly as well as

661
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: it should. It's gotten much worse in the last year

662
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: because of cuts to it. But what it is supposed

663
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: to be is that if you are if you can't

664
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: basically you can't feed yourself otherwise, this give gets you

665
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: the benefits you need to keep you and your family

666
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: from starving. And this is how the cult made sure

667
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: that they didn't have to pay even a dime of

668
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: their money to keep their people making the money working

669
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: the call center alive. Quote from the News Herald JMMI

670
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: instructed church members to claim homelessness with the state of

671
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: Michigan in order sorry not to, I said Tennessee earlier's

672
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: Michigan in order to get electronic benefits transfer cards. Members

673
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: then allegedly pooled the cards to an appointed designatee who

674
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: would shop for everyone at nearby stores. Every person had

675
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: to have an EBT card, a food stamp card. Sore

676
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: instance said. They said, if you don't get one, you're

677
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: not going to eat. So you have fifty people to

678
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: feed and one card will last one day. You'll totally

679
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: empty one card on the whole entire staff. And it's

680
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: not for you personally, it's to spend on the whole

681
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: entire group, so you're not using your own card. I

682
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: was in charge of it. I had to make an

683
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: Excel spreadsheet of the status of everyone's card, and we

684
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: kept them all in this little trapper keep or plastic box.

685
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: It's just this cult. He brings in fifty million dollars

686
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: in less than a decade just from donations to the

687
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: you can Feed people.

688
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 2: Why those gait is like, you're already so fucking rich,

689
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: Why even risk getting into this trouble for this kind

690
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: of thing? You know, it's just like beyond me. I

691
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: get Do they think they're untouchable?

692
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: I mean they were for a very long time. Gets

693
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: away with this for closing it on twenty years. And

694
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: I think it's also with people like this, I think

695
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: they almost feel a sense of disgust at the idea

696
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: that they might spend any of their money on other people.

697
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: You know, I really I think that there's something pathological

698
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: going on. I maybe maybe I'm kind of reading into

699
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: it a little bit, but like I just I don't

700
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: know what else it could be, you know, And it's

701
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: probably worth talking about here. How food and shelter were

702
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: both used as weapons by David E. Taylor to keep

703
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: his workforce functioning without complaint. His first line of defense was,

704
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 1: of course, threatening to damn people to hell or even

705
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: have God harm them or their loved ones. But when

706
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: the power of those threats started to wane, his reliable

707
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: backup was promising to make people homeless if they resisted

708
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: or failed to hit quotas. And I'm going to quote

709
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: directly from the federal indictment here, Honor. About May fifth,

710
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, at twelve twenty six am, Taylor texted

711
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: to DG, his current armor bearer tasked with communicating his

712
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: orders to staff whose identity is known to the Grand jury.

713
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: You'll have to raise one hundred and sixty four thousand

714
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: dollars today. Each hour you fall behind, consequences will start.

715
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: We will mess with the food. You will fast from

716
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: the regular food. Or abstain for a while. Normally, as

717
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: of now, there's a twenty one day peanut, butter and

718
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: jelly regiment. Like before, those who do not push their

719
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: calls individually and as a team with the right amount

720
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: of people and closing numbers at six pm, they don't

721
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: need dinner at all if they do good afterward this time,

722
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: and then at the end of the night they may

723
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: get a snack for bed, but not much. And this

724
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: regiment will go on every day for twenty one days

725
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: until they obey take away the food. There will be

726
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: other consequences. We must make them fast and pray. He

727
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: does two exclamation points at the end of each of

728
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: those sentences. I don't know why.

729
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: You can clearly, I think if you are in the

730
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: mindset where you'll abuse people so much to the point

731
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: where you're saying, yeah, like I can make your mother

732
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: with cancer get better or your dad with aides or whatever,

733
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: and then you get really, really rich. Anyway, It's like,

734
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: I think the whole psychotic element just gets compounded, and

735
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: that's what it sounds like there. It's like he thinks he's.

736
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: God, yeah yeah, with a devil maybe yeah yeah. On

737
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: other occasions he enforced multi day fasts when call center

738
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: workers couldn't make his impossible quotas. Sleep was also commonly

739
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: withheld as a punishment, although it might be more accurate

740
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: to say that Taylor structured his quotas in such a

741
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: way that no one could make them, which was automatically

742
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: punished by being made to work until four am. In addition,

743
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: whenever the cold had trouble making its numbers, which was always,

744
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: he'd schedule mandatory meetings which ran from three to six

745
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: hours long. So if you're keeping track, this meant that

746
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: anytime the money wasn't as much as he wanted, and

747
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: it was never as much as he wanted, the staff

748
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: was basically banned from sleeping almost entirely right. This is

749
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: presented as a mix of punishment and strategy, but the

750
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: overall goal was to make sure none of his full

751
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: time workers ever get sleep, because that keeps them in

752
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: the state. Well, they'll do whatever he says, like zombies.

753
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: Like zombies. Here's the indictment again, Honor. About September nineteenth,

754
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: at ten twenty one pm, Taylor texted to victim DG, Michelle,

755
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: and Kia make them all stand and tell them if

756
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: the punishment to four am. Don't work. I'm going to

757
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: make it worser and worser. They are going to get

758
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: their beds out of my house and sleep in the garage.

759
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: Everyone piled in there. This ruthless boot camp is going

760
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: to get worse and worse until they do what we

761
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: are telling them. There will only be soup, bread and

762
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: water for all the degenerates every day.

763
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: The degenerates. Is that what he called them.

764
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: The degenerates? Yes, yes, because they're not. They couldn't make

765
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty four thousand dollars in a day

766
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: like God demanded.

767
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 2: Wow, you know, it's what Jesus would want.

768
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: It's what Jesus would want. About a month after this,

769
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: he sent another message complaining I can't be kind to

770
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: you letting you start later and sleep in because members

771
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: of the team had fallen behind again on his impossible

772
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: quotas All Caps now, I don't care if you are tired.

773
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: You've crossed the line. You're going to work all night

774
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: and get up in the morning. I want the names

775
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: of those who are not helping with this push, or

776
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: doing their work or showing change, All Caps. They are

777
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: going to the homeless shelter. Right again, this is directly

778
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: the threat is I've already reduced you to near homelessness.

779
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: If you cross the line, you're out on your ass right.

780
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: Off to take in everything you add anyway.

781
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: You can't even get EBT because we have your EBT

782
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: card right, like you're already on it. Your are because

783
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: you don't get that forever.

784
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: Right.

785
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: That's the other thing is that like these people are

786
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: so comprehensively fucked.

787
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: I know, like obviously this is a cult and that's

788
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: how it is. But it's also I guess the two

789
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 2: go hand in hand. But it's also like turning into

790
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: a pretty evident kind of human trafficking ring. If they're

791
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: like moving people around just to kind of be in

792
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: what was essentially slave labor, taking all their identity, their rights,

793
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: making money off them, Like it's a serious criminal enterprise

794
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: at this stage.

795
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, absolutely now. In the federal indictment, former cult

796
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: members alleged that Taylor would often threaten his victims by

797
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: explaining the power God gave him, rebuking them for disobedience,

798
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: and cursing those who stopped working for him or spoke

799
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: negatively about him. In addition, quote the defendants required the

800
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: victims to request permission to leave their housing or the

801
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: call centers, and control their access to transportation. The defendants

802
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: rarely permitted victims to seek outside medical attention. The defendants

803
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: often denied victims medical attention altogether. In some instances, the

804
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: defendants physically abused victims when Taylor was displeased with the

805
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: actions or behavior of victims. Now I noted at the

806
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: top of these episodes that this cult was one of

807
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: the ones that I have some trouble really understanding. So

808
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: we should look into a couple of case studies of

809
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: former members who found themselves wrapped up in Taylor's group

810
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: and ultimately escaped. One local Houston news station KPRC two

811
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: interviewed a friend of a woman who joined the cult

812
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: because she was groomed as a bride for Taylor. Quote

813
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: from the beginning, it was great, exciting, as they usually are,

814
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: the woman said, but I kept warning her that something

815
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: sounded like a cult. Her friend eventually cut off all communication,

816
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: but returned a year later, revealing the mental and psychological

817
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: abuse she endured. She said they starved her, mentally and

818
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: psychologically abused her, and used scripture in hell to condemn her.

819
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: The woman said it was almost like a loyalty program.

820
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: They had to defend the top person and their ministry,

821
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: and when her friend ultimately escaped, quote, she didn't know

822
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: what to believe, who to trust, what churches to trust.

823
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: And this is where she says that her friend restored

824
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: her faith despite her trauma and found another church, which

825
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: is depicted as a positive end in the artic. I

826
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: can't help feeling maybe you needed a break from religion

827
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,479
Speaker 1: for a while. Maybe maybe like maybe a little while

828
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: out there, you know, the rest of your all the

829
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: months off of a religion. Yeah, and it's you know,

830
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: outside of Because we're talking again about how crazy all

831
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: of this seems on the inside. I need to emphasize

832
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: unless you are paying attention to like the Trinity Foundations

833
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: reporting on their tax fraud and stuff, none of this

834
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: is super obvious. There's not any mainstream news articles for

835
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: a while. You get starting like a year, a couple

836
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: of years ago. You do get some local press about

837
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: some of the allegations, but there's very little to find

838
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: on these people, and they also seem to have some

839
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: like fairly high profile backers. From July thirty first to

840
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: August fourth of twenty nineteen, David Taylor held a miracle

841
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: crusade against cancer in Taylor, Michigan, and it featured like

842
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: One of the people who spoke at the event dent

843
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 1: was Andre Gslarowski, who's the chairman of an Israeli nonprofit

844
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: called the Helping Hand Coalition that supports Holocaust survivors. Right

845
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: and I'm going to quote from the Trinity Foundations right

846
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: up here. Gasarowski co founded the conglomerate art B, which

847
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: looted the Polish banking system. Then Gasiroowski fled the country.

848
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: He moved to Israel to avoid extradition. In nineteen ninety one,

849
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: The Washington Post explained the criminal enterprise. The company's founders

850
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: discovered that a helicopter could move cash around Poland faster

851
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: than the antiquated banking system could clear checks. Art B

852
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: shuffled about eighteen billion through the banking system, picking up

853
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: an estimated three hundred and sixty million an interest on

854
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: money that was in several accounts. At the same time,

855
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: a Polish court convicted Gasierowski's business partner, Bogoslaw Bogsik. Radio

856
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: Free Europe reported Bogsik was found guilty of cheating the

857
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: Polish banking system out of four hundred and twenty four

858
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: millions lotties ninety four million US dollars, defrauding a bank,

859
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: bribing bank clerks, and carrying out financial misdeeds connected with

860
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: his company art B. As of the year two thousand,

861
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: Polish investigators estimated that Bagsick may still have some forty

862
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: million abroad, and Gasierowski twice that amount. After moving to Israel,

863
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: Gasiroowski reinvented himself as a philanthropist, but failed to pay

864
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: back the people he defrauded. JMMI is raising money for

865
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: a partnership with Gasiorowski's Helping Hand Coalition, claiming to bring

866
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: aid to thousands of impoverished Holocaust survivors use in desperate need,

867
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: But it is impossible to know how much money is

868
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: actually going to the Helping Hand Coalition. So on paper,

869
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: this guy is working with a foundation that helps an

870
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: Israeli nonprofit that helps Holocaust survivors. Then you look into

871
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: it and it's like, no, this guy defrauded the Polish

872
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: banking system to the tune of hundreds of millions of

873
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: dollars and whatever he's doing now this coalition, now that

874
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: he's fled to Israel to avoid prosecution is some kind

875
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: of con right. It's a Holocaust survivor con like he

876
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: is stealing buddy from holocaust SFI it doesn't get and

877
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: David Taylor's helping. Yeah, that's about as bad as it gets.

878
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really bad. It's like the worst side hustle

879
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: ever after already doing all the worst things he ever did,

880
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

881
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'd love to know how that conversation start.

882
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: Was like, hey, I hear you're in some really fucked

883
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: up shit, DAVIDY. Taylor. You know you're trafficking people, committing

884
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: all sorts of sex crimes. How would you like to

885
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: defraud some Holocaust survivors?

886
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

887
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: You know, And he was like fuck ya.

888
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: And it's weird, this fucking Gasierowski, this weirdo is at least,

889
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he's in good enough odor with the Israeli

890
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: government that they're not extraditing him. And also I think

891
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: it's through him. David E. Taylor gets commissioned as an

892
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: official ambassador for Israel to America. It's not like a

893
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: like the legally an ambassador. It's like a an honorary thing, right,

894
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: But like he's he gets stuff like this, you know,

895
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: and he's he's working. He has this all these different

896
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: on paper, humanitarian enterprises, the refuge Homes Project, which is

897
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: supposed to rescue and find homes for children who have

898
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: been sold into human sex trafficking, and there's all these

899
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: different you know, feeding the poor charities he's supposed to be.

900
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: The money that gets donated him is supposed to go

901
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: to like dig water wells in poor places overseas, providing

902
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and Christmas gifts to thousands of families. There's this

903
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: disaster aid charity that's real called the Convoy of Miracles

904
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: that he just like lied and pretended to be donating

905
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: money to. They eventually like went to court because they

906
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: were like, he's not He's just using our name to

907
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: steal from people. It's cool stuff. So yeah, let's talk

908
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: about well, actually let's throw to ads first because that's

909
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: probably time for that, and then we'll close out this

910
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: story and we're back. So the most entailed account we

911
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: have from a former member is a guy named Chris Sorenson,

912
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: who I chatted about a little earlier. Chris talked to

913
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: the News Herald in twenty nineteen after escaping and he

914
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: found the cold. He got involved with David E. Taylor's

915
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: JMA my as a direct result of reading Taylor's two

916
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: thousand and nine book Face to Face Appearances from Jesus

917
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: The Ultimate Intimacy. Sorenson claims, I got associated with Taylor,

918
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: I know, right right.

919
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: Off his head again. Uh huh.

920
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: Sorenson claims, I got associated with Taylor's ministry in January

921
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: of twenty fifteen. That's when I very first heard of

922
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: the guy, and I saw ads for his book saying

923
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: if you buy this book and you read it, you'll

924
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: see Jesus. So I took the gamble, I bought it,

925
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: and I read it. And Chris's story is valuable because

926
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: it illustrates the technical means by which Taylor utilized his

927
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: followers to reach out and entrap new worker drones. Within

928
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: days of finishing reading the book, Sorenson wakes up, He's

929
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: just finished this and there's a Facebook message from JMMI

930
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: from Taylor's cult written by someone and he doesn't knows

931
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: at the time. It is written by someone living in

932
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: a warehouse owned by the Colt in Michigan, and the

933
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: message said, Jesus told me to reach out to you.

934
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: I was in prayer last night and I was drawn

935
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: to your page to contact you. And Sorenson is like,

936
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: oh wow, I just read your book and now you're

937
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: reaching out to me. I was so honored. You see

938
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: why this would be effective? Right?

939
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 3: Right?

940
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: Someone has just and it feels like, well, how could

941
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: they have known unless God told them? Right now, Sorensen,

942
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: on the strength of this, because he's so overwhelmed by

943
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: what's happened and I was in a vulnerable point in

944
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: his life, he joins the cult, gives himself up entirely.

945
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: He starts working on their Michigan property full time, and

946
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: in short order, he's the one sending spam messages to

947
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: people on Facebook, and so he realizes, oh, God didn't

948
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: tell them to reach out to me, right. What's actually

949
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: happening here is that these call center workers who are

950
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: expected to reach out to hundreds of people a day,

951
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: they're just going through the Facebook pages of David Taylor

952
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,959
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other prominent televangelists like Billy Graham

953
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: er Joel Olstein, and they're seeing who is liking each

954
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: of the posts, and then they're just messaging people who

955
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: have recently liked posts, So Sorensen must have liked the

956
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: post about the book that he bought and read, and

957
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: they see that and they reach out to him directly.

958
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: That's the actual way in which they're kind of like

959
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: picking people to cold call, is like, whoever's liking these

960
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: posts from other evangelists, there's a better chance that they're

961
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: going to be vulnerable to our shtick. And they're just

962
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: messaging these people. Each individual, like call center worker, is

963
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: expected to send something like a thousand messages a day,

964
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: most of which are copy pasted from a script. And

965
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: even though these people are more likely to respond, most

966
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: recipients of these messages ignore what they're being sent. But

967
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: every now and then, someone liked Sorensen would get a

968
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: message at just the right time that it feels like

969
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: something's happening.

970
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, cold calling for Jesus basically right.

971
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: It's like a cold reading kind of technique but applied

972
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: to like using social media and kind of some of

973
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: these other dynamics. Sorensen told The News Herald quote during

974
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 1: his six months with Joshua Media Ministries, sorens And also

975
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: said that he was repeatedly told to leave his wife,

976
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: who was skeptical of Taylor and JMMI. He said he

977
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: also witnessed Taylor physically assault other JMMI members at their building.

978
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 1: He recalled Taylor coming in late at night and yelling

979
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: and screaming at seven men. He just started going off

980
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: on one guy and just started slapping him. Sorenson said.

981
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: He slapped him two or three times, knocked him to

982
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: the ground, and then just grabbed him by the collar

983
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: and shook him. He went after another, slapped them across

984
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: the face, pushed them to the ground, sit over them.

985
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: Sorenson said that four of the men were being corrected

986
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: for smoking weed and two of them for interactions with females.

987
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: The seventh happened to be in the wrong place at

988
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: the wrong time. So you know, this is just a

989
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: guy who feels secure just physically abusing at random members

990
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: of the COLT. And this is probably another part of

991
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: like what keeps people in line is just like this

992
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: fear of being beaten, of being targeted like this. Now,

993
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: as is usually the case with colts, there were, as

994
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: I've said, numerous red flags and signs that shit was

995
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: wrong well before the raids. In twenty fourteen, they were

996
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: audited for massive tax fraud. They lost their taxi status

997
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: at least twice over the years, and in both instances

998
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: got it back after less than a year. Groups like

999
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: Trinity published and directly mailed detailed reports about suspected fraud

1000
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: of the irs, but this did not create any kind

1001
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: of public outrage or knowledge of what was going on,

1002
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that by twenty sixteen, local

1003
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: police and Taylor, Michigan had received at least thirty calls

1004
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: about JMMI. Some of these were non issues, but others

1005
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: were complaints from friends and family of cult members, and

1006
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: in one case there was a bomb threat made by

1007
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: a former member against the organization. According to the police report,

1008
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: the man was quote angry that God created him, but

1009
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: he couldn't kill God, so he would kill the pastor

1010
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: of JMMI.

1011
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: I mean go.

1012
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: For hid by fine man. In this case. You picked

1013
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: the right guy. But there was no like, there was

1014
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: no evidence that he actually did anything. And when the

1015
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: police responded, they're like, do you want us to search

1016
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: the church for anything suspicious or a bomb dog? And

1017
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: church officials like, no, you don't need to come inside.

1018
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: We're good.

1019
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it.

1020
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. In June of twenty eighteen, a

1021
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: former jam My member reported an assault at the church.

1022
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 1: This woman said that she had been there five days

1023
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: earlier to see her father and sister, who were both members,

1024
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: and once she was entered, she was confronted by church

1025
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: members about her bad attitude and told to leave the church,

1026
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: and then was forcibly pushed and pulled from the property.

1027
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: A few months after that, a father requested help from

1028
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: the police and getting his son out of the building.

1029
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: He told them that his son worked at the church

1030
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: but he wasn't sharing with capacity, and police agreed to

1031
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: help and call They classified it as a mental health commitment.

1032
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: So several officers like showed up and waited for the

1033
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: son to come to his father's vehicle, and when they did,

1034
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: the officers like handcuffed him and put him in the back

1035
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: of a patrol car. While this happened, several minute suits

1036
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: were filming outside of the buildings, like there's stuff like

1037
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: this going on for years. And twenty seventeen, a guy

1038
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: in his late fifties dies of natural causes during a

1039
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: pro group at JMMI, and when police and firefighters arrived

1040
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: at like two fifteen am, they quote observed a group

1041
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: of people chanting and singing, touching and pressing down on

1042
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: the body. One witness told the police that when people

1043
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: prayed at the church, all of them faint under the

1044
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: light of God. She told police officers that the dead

1045
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: man was sleeping and God will wake him up soon.

1046
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: Police took the body obviously, they found a stack of

1047
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: credit cards and ID and turned them over to his wife,

1048
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: and the cause of death was, you know, just heart disease.

1049
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, it's just one of these like oh

1050
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: weird that instead of calling an ambulance, they're just like

1051
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: standing around this guy and trying to bring him back

1052
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: to life through prayer. Right, that's a little bit sketchy.

1053
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like first responders, but they're just praying.

1054
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So anyway, that kind of stuff is around

1055
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: for a while until a little bit earlier this year.

1056
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: Just really a couple of weeks ago, an FBI raid

1057
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: cracks down on multiple properties, including the mansion in Tampa

1058
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: where one of the leaders lived, his second in command live.

1059
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: That was carried out in August, and then later there's

1060
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: raids on their Taylor, Michigan facility, and a bunch of

1061
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: other different call centers like five or six all around

1062
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: the country. The FBI raid revealed fifty seven victims of

1063
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 1: forced labor living in the Florida Mansions. That's just one

1064
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: of the buildings. I don't think we know entirely how

1065
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: many victims have been found yet, and I don't think

1066
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 1: they're fully done with the raids at this moment. Right now,

1067
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: David Taylor and Michelle Brannon, his second, are accused of

1068
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: running a forced labor and money laundering scheme through their church.

1069
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: They have are being charged with quite a few different

1070
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: felonies right now, so we'll see what actually happens. Like,

1071
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how much it's worth kind of going

1072
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: into the details of the legal case against them, but

1073
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: they're like they're looking at some pretty serious charges right

1074
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: and hopefully they won't be free again. I guess it's

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Speaker 1: one of those things that it does seem like they

1076
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: flew too close to the sun and the FBI has

1077
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: them kind of dead to rights here. Like, I'm not

1078
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: optimistic about their chances of getting out of any of this.

1079
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: Jesus is definitely not his friend anymore, for fucking sure.

1080
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: No, not his friend anymore. So at least we've got

1081
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: kind of a happy ending, right.

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00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: It's crazy though when you look at this, like, Okay,

1083
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: this is obviously huge, making loads of money, just horrible

1084
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: levels of abuse, but it's not even one of the

1085
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 2: big ones, you know, Like how many more of these

1086
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: are going on right now? That is what worries me, man.

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00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: And yeah, I will say as well, I do. I'm

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00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: not religious, like I'm not an atheist, but I'm not religious.

1089
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: But I do hate how these cults use religion always

1090
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: to like ride it into the wall and just do

1091
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: the most crazy stuff, because there are loads of people

1092
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 2: who are very religious who are doing the nicest stuff ever,

1093
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 2: you know, not because they're religious, but they just they

1094
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: do nice stuff and they're religious, and yeah, it's like,

1095
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: well done, guys, you've just completely fucking purposely misinterpreted and

1096
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: ruined something for your own gains. I mean they all

1097
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,959
Speaker 2: do it. I mean, whether it's you know, some kind

1098
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: of horrible sex scandal in whichever religion or whatever, it's

1099
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: like there's always someone that is cynically just going, yeah,

1100
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 2: let's just use this what should be a good thing

1101
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: and then just absolutely do evil with it. It's yeah,

1102
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: it's very It's not exactly there's very few redeeming qualities

1103
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: to come out of this story other than eventually they

1104
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:41,240
Speaker 2: got caught.

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00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: Eventually they got caught, right, and they got caught. I

1106
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: mean the level of success these people saw. The primary

1107
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: church banking account had over forty one million dollars in it, right,

1108
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: So like whilst people are doing really well, and like

1109
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 1: the the indictment has reported a bunch of transactions you're

1110
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: just between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty from Taylor and

1111
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: Brannon that included one hundred and twenty five pounds of

1112
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: super colossal red king crab legs, six seafood shears and

1113
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: thirty crab cutters, ten thousand, three hundred and fifty three

1114
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: dollars and forty four cents, a Mercedes Bins for sixty

1115
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars, a Bentley Continental seventy thousand dollars down payment,

1116
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: a Crown Line boat one hundred and five thousand dollars,

1117
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: two jet skis and one jet ski trailer, twenty four

1118
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: grand five ATVs, thirty one thousand dollars, rolls, Royce cullin

1119
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: an one hundred and twenty three thousand dollars least signing payment,

1120
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: and then at least four bulletproof automobiles or at least

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00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: bulletproofing on automobiles. It's a little unclear witch to me

1122
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: based on how they're the indictment's written. But yeah, did

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00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: you have that great stuff?

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00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 2: Like I hear all that and I'm like wow, like,

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00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: you know, on break my ass to do all these projects,

1126
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: and you know, be an independent journalist.

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00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: Is just start a cold.

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00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 2: That should just be an evil colt guy and I'll

1129
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: literally be able to buy it.

1130
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: I think it every day, think it. Every day.

1131
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: I get like bulletproof cars and fuckings like, yeah, oh my.

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00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: Gosh it, that's the grift. Fuck, that is the what

1133
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: am I doing?

1134
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: If only we were completely evil, you know.

1135
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: Right, if only I gave up my soul entirely, the

1136
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: amount of money I could be making.

1137
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: Holy shit.

1138
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: Well that's a good retirement plan at least.

1139
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for that.

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Speaker 1: M Well, all right, you got any pluggables to plug

1141
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: before we roll out here? That is Part two.

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Speaker 2: Honestly mostly sad oligarch too. As I said in the

1143
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: last episode, I'm really really happy with this. We've we've

1144
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: had to really scrape at the research on this, even people,

1145
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: we've reached out to are just like it's like brick wall,

1146
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: you know, and it's very hard to get information. But

1147
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: we've we've really made it work in a way that

1148
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: I think has it's kind of come out even better

1149
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: the limitations actually because you kind of have to go

1150
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: around the houses to get there, and on the way

1151
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: you find a lot of interesting stuff. So yeah, sad

1152
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 2: Oligarch too definitely checked that out. And Popular Front is

1153
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 2: always booming. But also I've got a new documentary series

1154
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: you can plug that Await Days that is it's gonna

1155
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: it's it's we've got the first episode is out, but

1156
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's a very very big, big project,

1157
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: which you know, we haven't been enough more than we

1158
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: can tube almost it's like we almost did. But yeah,

1159
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 2: if people go to uh, you know, YouTube dot com

1160
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: slash at Awahite Days TV, obviously it's the video version

1161
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: of a lot of the stuff they would have heard

1162
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: in the doc here in the in the podcast that

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00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: we did excellent.

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00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: Well fucking check that out, sad Oligarch, Away Days and

1165
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: Popular Front all of Jake Hanrahan's vast media empire, and yeah,

1166
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: join us cult when he finally starts one. Yeah, soon

1167
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: us I've started a cult by then, in which case.

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00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: We can just we can just call that a cult fight.

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00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, uh, there we go. All right, everybody, this

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Speaker 1: has been Behind the Bastards. Next week we'll be back

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Speaker 1: with maybe a slightly different cult brilliant.

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