WEBVTT - Patriots Playbook 10/9: Drake Maye, Dolphins Recap, Texans Preview 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.680 I'm Patriots Playbook, where legends are born. 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:15.440 John Rook brings the heat, rain or. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:21.320 Storm from Brady's Throast to New Stars Rising the playbook 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:25.480 Soup and it's some man's Horizon. Into the Playbook, Patriots Playbook. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.400 Here's your host, John Rook, legend voice of the New 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:29.720 England Patriots. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:30.480 Cursed out. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:42.599 It's Patriots Playbook, La la lah. 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:46.320 Like yourself. I have to get used to the country 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:47.199 and Western version of the. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:49.840 Scene. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.280 Yeah, exactly. Welcome into the playbook everyone, I'm John Rook. 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:55.920 You know Evan Lazar is here. We're gonna jump into 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.480 it pretty quickly today. Obviously there's a little news going 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:01.880 on today kind of makes things seem like we're starting 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.840 over again a month into the regular season. We'll be 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:10.080 joined shortly by Mark VanderMeer, who's the radio voice of 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.559 the Houston Texans, a longtime New England guy himself, former 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.000 voice of the UMass Minute Man a number of years 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.399 ago as well, and now he's been in Houston since 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.040 the since the franchise, basically he's been there. So he'll 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:22.640 join us as well, and we'll hit some of the 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.840 regulars as well. In Chris Price from the Boston Globe 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.440 will join us and Russell Baxter on Week six around 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.120 the NFL Patriots fans. 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It's the plan as it now stands 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.880 is as as uh Gerad has mentioned it several times, 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:17.880 it seems almost retroactive. Seems like it's almost been reactionary 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.399 to what the public thinks, to what the media has 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:23.679 been hammering for. And we know the media can be 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.519 relentless around here, uh As in a lot of ways, 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.960 but this is just part of the game at least, 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:30.920 you know, in a market like Boston, a market like 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:35.880 New England. Overall, whatever the plan was, it hasn't been working. 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.440 And so he said today it was his decision alone 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:44.080 to start Drake may over Jacoby. Okay, I'll buy that 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.120 to an extent, but there still had to be some 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.839 extenuating circumstances. 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:49.839 Yeah, I guess. 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.040 So, I guess I'm on the on Mayo's side here 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:54.840 a little bit because I feel like it would be 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.639 disingenuous of me to argue the other side after I've 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.680 been you know, patting the table for him to make 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:04.000 this move for weeks. So the biggest thing to me 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:08.560 with this whole situation is that is two things. One, 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.080 one hundred and nineteen passing yards per game is not 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.520 NFL offense, Like you can't keep rolling that out there 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.200 every single week. If the offense which Chikobe were said 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.960 under center, was producing at a better rate, then yeah, 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.280 maybe we wouldn't be talking about this. But this is 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.800 this is truly rock bottom when it comes to passing 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.959 offense in the modern NFL, Like in twenty twenty four, 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.600 to be throwing for under one hundred and twenty yards 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.680 a game, is unheard of and something that just can't 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:36.680 really continue. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:37.680 So that's one. 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:43.400 Number two is that I really like this from Mayo 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:48.040 because it isn't good enough and it shouldn't be acceptable 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.600 that they're going out there and losing games on Sunday. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.000 So as you know, fifteen to ten on Sunday, a 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.440 win winnable game against the Miami Dolphins. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:03:59.920 There's a line. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.760 I understand that none of us expected them to be 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.400 a playoff team this year, but there's a line of 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.680 acceptance that the organization and that Mayo needs to put 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.440 up with and the circumstances, whether this was the plan 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.760 or not, the circumstances on the ground changed to the 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.760 point where their bridge quarterback was not holding up the 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:21.839 end of the bargain enough to make this move. 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:23.800 If you wanted a bridge quarterback, I think there were 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.640 the candidates out there. I wonder whether or not they 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.320 would have wanted to fork out the kind of money 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.600 for it. Hello, Joe Flacco is coming to mind right 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.839 now off the top of my brain. And I think 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:36.120 even there for a while, Kirk Coussins was considered a 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.040 bridge there for a while as well, so there were 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:42.720 other choices. Whatever the case may be that in particular, 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.320 without completely throwing Jacobe on the bus, because I think 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.359 what he's done here is he's really taken one for 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.560 the team, and he's taken that to a different level 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.080 maybe in this regard, because I think he hasn't been saying, 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:58.200 he hasn't been separated, he hasn't been surrounded with the 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.359 kind of people that you expect a starting quarterback in 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.159 the NFL to be surrounded by. Let's be honest here, Yeah, 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.440 So no, I don't throw him under the bus at all. 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:10.960 This is not Jacoby's fault, you know, just putting that 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.919 right there where it is out in front, it was 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.359 pretty clear to see that we didn't have to go 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.320 very far into the season before this decision had to 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.480 be made. There were two three games that might have 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.440 been winnable that could have been differently. I'm not saying 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.120 they were, but could have been different had a change 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.880 been made when we started clamoring for it. I'm not 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.720 giving us all the credit on this either. Sometimes these 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.320 guys know more football, you know, you know, than we 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.360 know in our little fingers, So I get all of that. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.039 The fact of the matter is, though, is that I 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:48.880 don't feel like there's been complete There hasn't been truthfulness here, 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.600 and I think that part of that is because of 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:56.680 the way that the coaching staff in particular, and maybe 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.320 the way that we've all acted around here. Under the 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.000 previous reason, everything was very close to the best. We 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.520 kept our cards. You know, we weren't showing our cards. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.720 You know, we're holding our hand. You know, we're not 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.839 flashing it out in front of anybody because we don't 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.159 want the other guys to see. Now that having been said, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.040 the decision being made this week, the way that it 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.440 was made. First of all, it was leaked. I think 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.040 we can all kind of figure that one out. It 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.960 got leaked, and rapapoor. You are a lucky son of 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.599 a gun because you know the right people. And that's okay. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.640 That's the way the game is played. This is how 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.760 insiders get to be insiders because they have the confidence 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:32.640 of a lot of these reporters. I know this because 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.560 I've been a reporter covering the NFL for forty years myself, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:40.560 so I get it. I just wow, I'm gonna get 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.040 caught up here for just a second, because this is 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:48.200 it's not the right way to do things. And if 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.920 we're gonna change the way that things are done, then 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:56.200 we need to have some clarification. We need to have 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:00.400 some consistency. We need to have you know, I mean, 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.400 if it's going to be your way or the highway, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.599 that needs to be said. Bill Belichick was very clear 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.280 about that years ago, and we understood that. But at 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.680 the same time, you know, media in this position, the 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.800 position like you and I are in, Okay, there has 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.600 to be some autonomy here for us to be able 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.560 to do our jobs properly. Otherwise nobody gets taken seriously. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.440 So I think where we need to go from here, 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.520 at least at this stage of the game, is just look, 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.600 there really wasn't a plan. If there was a plan, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.560 then there should have been some kind of a of 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.040 an inkling that there was. This seems very haphazard, It 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.800 seems very thrown together. It seems very reactionary. Why else 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.480 would you start a quarterback like Drake against one of 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.400 the better defenses in the NFL as opposed to starting 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.800 him at home against one of the worst defenses in 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.360 the NFL just a week before. He can't have improved 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:54.080 that much in a week's time. 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.480 Yeah, that's fair. I guess the biggest thing to me. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.600 And this is what I was trying to say last 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.600 week before I stepped in my pile of you know what. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.840 And by the way, you don't have to say anthing. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.360 Okay, well but no, but I feel like I need 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.040 to say this. All right, I think we understand that 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:16.440 this is a reactionary business. Yeah, okay, you're speaking your feelings, 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.560 you're speaking your insight. You're in the locker room, you 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.960 see it. You talk to everybody. Now, maybe some of 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.080 the guys thought what you said was BS. Okay, that's fair. 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.920 That doesn't mean everybody thought it was BS. Yeah. 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:33.960 I appreciate you saying that. I again, this has been brewing, 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.000 and that, I guess is where the conversation is about 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.560 plans and all that kind of stuff. It's very easy 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:46.480 to sit there in May and say no pun intended, 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.280 and say we're gonna sit him for the year. Then 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:54.600 you get into training camp, and to be frank, it 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:56.440 wasn't great right out of the gate for him. In 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.640 training camp. He had some lumps and growing pains. But 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.480 then when you saw him in that Eagles preseason game, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.400 turn a corner, and then he comes out in practice 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:09.280 and he's practicing better, that he plays decent against Washington, 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.640 and he's you know, it keeps on getting better and 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.320 getting better. And what I was sort of getting at 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:20.600 last week was that you can't lie to the other 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.319 fifty one players in the locker room and you can't 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:27.160 get in there and you can't say we feel as 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.520 though Jacobe Brussette gives us the best chance to win 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.840 football games on Sunday, when. 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.200 Part of the truth stuff that I was just talking about. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.520 When the other fifty one guys in the locker room 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.680 see practice every single day, the eye and the sky 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.000 don't lie on the film like they watch the film. 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.199 They watch the tape and you look at all of 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.800 these opportunities at this offense ad and I'm not sitting 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:50.360 here telling you that they're going to go out there 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.880 and average thirty five points a game with Drake may 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:58.679 But the tipping point to me, from my opinion, was 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:04.800 the game. Again, Miami had situations within the game where 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:09.280 they needed a play from the quarterback to put them 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:13.200 over the top, and Jacoby Brissett just couldn't give them 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:18.480 that play and that would listening to Mayo, that to 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.760 me was the tipping point was it was a very 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.520 winnable game. We had a possession at the end of 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.040 the game, and I understand the rookie receiver didn't get 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:31.559 both feed and bounds, and that that's a fair criticism 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:35.280 or stupid rule the way it's it's a fair point. 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.440 But we took the tuck rule out of the thing. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.680 Should we take the the toe heel thing out? 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.960 Maybe there were multiple plays in this game on Sunday 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:49.319 where it felt like a little bit of a better throw, 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.480 just a little bit of a better throw would have 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:53.680 been the difference in the game. 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:55.559 There's no guarantee that Drake would have made that kind 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.840 of a throw. There's no guarantee that he would have 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.760 made that kind of a throw, especially under direct under pressure. Yeah, 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:03.960 so you know, could he have thrown a bitter ball? 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.720 I personally thought he could have, you know, could you know, 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:08.880 Jalen Polk, I mean, you got to realize he's coming 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:10.840 out of the college ranks where only one foot is 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.240 required to be in bounds, right, so he I naturally 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.679 I even saw his Instagram photo of him with his 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:16.880 second foot in bounds. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:17.160 Yeah. 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.600 The problem was it's the toe and there's this rule 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.840 called the toe heel rule. That if you don't tap out, 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.400 then the entire foot's gotta be in. I think that's 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.280 one of the stupidest rules I've seen since the tuck 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:33.080 rule and the tough rule benefit of the Patriots, this 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:33.720 one bit him. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.560 Yeah, I just when you look at going back to 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:41.720 the the other fifty one guys in the room, Drake 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.640 made today said in his press conference, and I don't 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.960 think that he was meaning it to throw anybody under 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.560 the bus or anything like that, but he put it 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.880 very honestly. He said, it's a winning league. This is 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.840 league is about wins and losses. We're one and four 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.439 and the guys in the locker room want to win. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:04.199 And if it's not working, then you have to make 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.760 a change. And when guys in that locker room can 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.880 look at the physical skill set that he brings to 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.240 the table, and they can watch him making progress in practice, 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.360 and they can see him going out there, and this 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.319 is all public, and we have coaches from the defensive 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.040 side of the ball. A couple of weeks ago ooing 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.600 an eyeing over some of the throws that Drake May 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.480 is making on the scout team in practice. 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.560 We mooed an odd yeah, especially since you know that 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.559 late in the preseason when we saw when he started 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.400 to pick stuff up, it's kind of like, w ohoh, 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.480 this kid may be ready before week four or week 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.440 five or whatever was being rumored at the time. You know, 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.720 this kid might be ready. Let's play him. And everybody's 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.280 pushing it int the brakes on it, and then we're 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.840 buying into this narrative that well, there's no offensive line 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.520 around him, and look, football is football, Okay, Guys are 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.600 gonna get beat up regardless. Okay, And if you're really babying, 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:56.920 and I'm sorry, but I'm going to use the term baby, 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:58.920 if you're babying your quarterback, what does this say to 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.880 the other fifty two guys your trend? You know, Okay, 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:03.680 they can go out there and bust their tails and 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:07.400 have their next broken potentially, but not your starting quarterback really. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.679 Right, and you know you see you hear Mike Pelgreno, 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.360 their cornerbacks coach, when we were talking to the defensive 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:17.120 assistance a couple of weeks ago, said that Drake May 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:21.920 made a throw so good in practice that Pellegrino went 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:23.440 back and watched it on. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:24.719 The tape later that day. 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:25.160 Love it. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:29.680 They hate Drew Wilkins. They're outside linebackers. Coach is talking 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.680 about how they're trying to throw pressure at him and 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.760 dial things up against him, and he's reading it out. 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.600 He's looking off safeties, he's baiting guys out of coverage 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.720 and you know, manipulating coverage with his cadence and things 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.800 like that. And you look at you hear all this 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.040 stuff from these coaches and so you're you know it, 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:52.280 it's going on behind the scenes. It's really difficult for 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.880 that to continue. And then for them to go out 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:56.880 there on Sundays and throw for one hundred and nineteen 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.559 yards a game, and then to keep going into those 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.720 squad meetings. If you're a Jeried Mayo and saying Jakobe's 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.199 our starter, right, you know, at some point the other 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:07.520 guys are going to start asking someone. 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.120 This had to have been sure he made. He made 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:11.679 the decision on his own. I think it's great if 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.400 he did, and he should be making the decision without 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.320 any other outside influence, unless, of course, he wants the 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.840 input from his other offensive coaches. They're the ones that 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.200 should be making the decision, not from above, not from outside, 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.600 not from the media, especially not from the fans clamoring 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.480 for Drake. May it should be Girodmeo's decision. But if 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.200 it's taking him that long to realize what he has here, 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.760 to see what everybody else has seen here, wait what? Okay? 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.000 So if there is a plan that he's wanted to follow, 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.040 then there needs to be at least some kind of 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:48.920 a I don't know, an explanation. I mean, otherwise you're 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.120 really no better off than you know, or you're not 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.880 being You're not different from what we went under for 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.440 twenty three years around here with Bill Belichick. Around we 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.440 knew we weren't getting aything from Bill, even though people 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.240 rasking questions during the course of the week, and you 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:03.840 knew we wouldn't ask it, but you had to ask 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:04.800 the question anyway. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.000 Yeah, I would just say that because I know there's 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.840 a lot of talk about this right now about them 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:15.320 basically throwing the plan out and being reactionary in plan. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.240 So think there was any plan. You can't convince me 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:19.040 there was a plan. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:23.880 I I don't know exactly because one thing he has 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.840 kept very close to the chest, Girod is this this 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:29.000 mythical plan. 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.479 That's why I think it's nothing but unicorns. And rainbows. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:33.560 That's all it is. 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.880 I don't know about that. He has not disclosed that 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.800 to us what this plan was. 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.320 And I know that not everybody's gonna believe this when 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.680 I say it, but I truly do feel this way. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.040 I believe that Drake may took the plan and burned 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:50.560 it down. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:55.600 And burned it. He burned it because of his progress. Yeah, 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.960 and so now the coaches are forged too. Well, if 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.560 there was a plan, now we got to play the yeah, 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.200 because he's showing and showing in practice. Yep. All right, 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.440 let's turn the direction of the program here for a second. 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.080 We're gonna get back to more on Drake and getting 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.440 the start here this weekend. Eight five five PATS five 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.960 hundred is the total free telephone number. We'd love for 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.200 you to take part in the discussion, whether you agree 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.200 with the decision or not, one way or the other. 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.720 I'd like to hear your opinion. You can also, you know, 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.520 send it out to us as well. On what the 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:28.040 hell is the new email address? Again? Podcasts at Patriots 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:32.560 dot com. Oh it's on top of the live read. 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.120 Oh it's not. Oh yes it is. See I can't read. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.239 I'm sorry, Matt Marien. 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:41.360 He tries. He gives you all the tools, everything I need. 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.880 It's right here and I'm blind podcast at Patriots dot Com. Okay, 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:46.960 So now joining us on the herego This is for 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:51.000 you Marine on the TPX hotline. Okay, joining us on 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.120 the TBX hotline is the play by play voice of 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:58.000 the Houston Texans, Mark Vandermier, A longtime friend. Mark. Thanks 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.520 for taking a few minutes out of your busy dayppreciate you. 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.320 Hey, I'm doing great. Guys. You sound a little choppy. 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:05.760 Do I sound shoppy to you? 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:06.680 You sound perfect? 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.240 All that's fine. I can deal with shoppiness on the 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.359 other end. But okay, I'm doing great. Looking forward to 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.159 coming to Gillette Stadium on Sunday. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:14.920 I'll bet you are. I bet you are. You got 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.920 to get back and we'll hold some champ We'll hold 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.159 some clam chowder for you. 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:18.320 Bro. 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.680 Yeah, I know I'm looking forward to that too. I mean, 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:23.439 this is one of the staples of the league as 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.600 far as the press food. You know, you have the 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:29.240 crab cakes in Baltimore, you have plam chowder, and in 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:30.320 New England and it's awesome. 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.360 Gotta do it all right, So I know your time 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.560 is short, so thanks again. But first things first, Nico 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.199 Collins gets placed on IR and I know that's a 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.320 bit of a blowout for you know, CJ, for the 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.159 entire offense. How do the Texans overcome that kind of 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.200 an absence here for at least four weeks. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.119 Well, it's the moneyball thing. You cannot replace them. You 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.520 hope to recreate him, you know. And Stefan Diggs is 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.840 having a nice year for the Texans, sort of under 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.359 the radar compared to what Nico Collins has been doing. 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.800 Nobody here is surprised about Nico's star and how good 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:02.960 he's been based on what we saw last year. And 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.879 I figured this would be the case, especially with Diggs 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.800 creating more of an attention getter scenario, so Nico could 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.720 be freed up for some things. But now they have 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:15.560 to go with tank Dell Diggs, see what Xavier Hutchinson 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.440 can do. Maybe John Metshi. You know the other guys too. 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.840 You know, Dalton Schultz is a good receiving tight end. 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.320 They have other weapons. Daria gon Bowally has been really 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.480 handy for them with these running back injuries they've had. 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.520 He's caught some balls lately and came up big against 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.720 Jacksonville and against the Buffalo Bills, so they'll try to 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:34.600 piece it together. The good thing is they have number 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.639 seven pulling the trigger and he's really good all right. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.399 So you know, obviously sitting number seven was where I 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:44.679 was going next. Why has CJ. Stroud made the strides 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.120 that he, you know, at least to me, started making 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.400 late last year and picked it up this year. What's 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:54.000 allowed him to just make the game shorter? It seems 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.000 like it's it's slowed down for him a little bit. 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.679 Well, it definitely has, and it did from the get go. 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.600 You know, they played that preseason game in Foxborough August 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.320 of twenty twenty three, and I don't think anybody could 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.200 have thought or projected that he'd be as good as 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.680 he became, but they saw signs of it in practice. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.040 And what do we always say about all of these players. 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.439 Everybody needs to get better, everybody needs to improve, and 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.760 some guys don't, some guys do. And if you could 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.520 tell this pre draft, then we'd have a lot of 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.040 geniuses out there. But clearly people are wrong about so 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:31.520 many quarterbacks drafted because they don't get better. Stroud gets better. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.600 He's devoted to it. He sees the field as well, 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.000 and you know, it's kind of like when you're playing 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.399 pick up basketball. Certain guys see the floor, all of 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.199 a sudden the ball ends up in your hands. He 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.440 sees the field. And you had, you know, the best 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:44.640 quarterback of all time who could see the whole field 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.440 very easily. The game was so slowed down for him. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.840 He was just, you know, a maestro. And I don't 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:51.720 have to tell you that. I'm not saying Stroud is that. 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.800 But Stroud has that ability to see who's open, keep 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.240 the eyes downfield by time, within the pocket and outside 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.040 the pocket. And this year I think he's better in 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.200 the pocket than he was last year. And he's starting 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:07.200 to run a little bit very selective. Just ten yards here, 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.560 ten yards there, Just get a first down, reload first 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.200 and ten nothing fancy. Just keep the ball matriculating down 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:15.680 the field, like Hanning Stram used to say. And it's 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:17.440 fun to watch. I mean, the guy is a pleasure 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.280 to be around and really enjoyable to watch win these 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:21.280 really close games. 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.880 Let's do a little comparison here, Mark, because I think 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.560 you know that the Patriots have announced that they're going 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.160 to start. You know, the rookie Drake May at quarterback 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.640 against you guys this week. So when CJ first got 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:37.480 it going in Houston, clearly every rookie has a learning curve. 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.399 When did he turn it on? And what was the 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.320 Texans attitude at the time about letting him have the 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.800 opportunity to kind of play through this and try to 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.199 develop himself or did they want to put the brakes 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:52.080 on him at least initially and his talent just took over. 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:54.120 Take us back a year or so ago. 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:55.440 Well. 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.959 In OTAs and training camp in twenty twenty three Strouds 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:02.720 rookie season, Davis Mills was the starter. Davis Mills took 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:06.320 the first team reps, Stroud second team reps. Then they 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:08.760 started to mix them, and then it was obvious to everybody, 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:10.800 because you know, we're all allowed to watch every training 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.520 camp practice. It was obvious to everybody that Stroud is 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.640 better than Mills. How good is he? Ultimately you couldn't tell, 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:18.679 but you knew that he was ahead of Davis Mills 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.080 and that looked good, so go ahead and start him. 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:23.880 It wasn't until the second half in week two where 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:25.879 we really started to see a cup alive against the 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.119 Colts at a loss. They were down, but he was 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.440 spreading the ball around, throwing it around the yard, making 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:32.320 plays through for a lot of yards in that game. 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:36.520 And then week three they torched Jacksonville on the road, 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:38.960 and this was a Jacksonville team that was coming off 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.680 a playoff win season and they were the favorites to 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:43.840 win the AFC South. And then you got a lotside 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.600 of victory at their place, and they were often running 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:47.000 with CJ. 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:47.560 Strout. 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:49.760 I think the Tampa game last year was the one 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:52.840 where it took even on greater level. When he came 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.919 back with minimum time on the clock, I mean minimal, 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.320 it was inside a minute to go, found Tankdell on 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:02.200 a beautiful sideline pattern to set up a last second 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:05.560 touchdown pass to Dell, and there it was. He saw 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.320 that this was going to be a special player. And 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:10.280 he's shown nothing but I mean, he had a couple 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.280 of turnovers against the Bills in the fourth quarter of 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:14.679 this past week, but he shakes that off real fast, 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:19.200 very calm, very cool, and these things don't affect him 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:21.919 other than to make him want to get even better. 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:25.159 And again, it's just fun to be around a player 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:25.520 like this. 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:28.760 Well, knowing now that you know what you know about CJ, 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:31.760 are you at all surprised the Patriots have made largely 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.760 a similar remove in giving Drake May his debut against 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:36.200 you guys. 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:41.160 You know it's funny because Brissette is a Texans killer. Okay, 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.440 He's five and one all time against Houston with three 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.119 different teams. He won that game in Week three twenty 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:50.760 sixteen as a rookie when both Brady and Garoppolo were out. 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:53.600 He won a few games with the Colts. He beat 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:56.439 the Texans as a dolphin in twenty one and we 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.240 were going over this. We thought, is this the best? Well, 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.080 I think it's the best winning percentage for a quarterback 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.840 against the Texans minimum six games played. I believe it's 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:09.080 the case because it's Peyton manning Brady and then Brissette. 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:09.560 How about that? 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.080 So we're happy not to see Brissette at least I am. 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.600 I don't think the coach has any opinion on the subject. 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.480 But with Drake May, look, it's just it's like I 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:19.800 just described, you won't know it until you see it, 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:22.040 and you hope to see it, but you don't know 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:23.840 when you're going to see it. You hope to see 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:26.119 it early. You just don't know until you know. And 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.720 I think that goes with all of these rookie quarterbacks, 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.639 all of these young qbs, even Jordan Love, you know, 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:33.879 he had to sit behind Aaron Rodgers and the times 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:36.160 he got out there, I don't know. Right now you're 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.680 seeing it, so that's good for them. So you won't 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:41.160 know until you know. And maybe it happens this weekend, 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.080 maybe it takes a few more weeks, maybe it takes 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:44.800 another year. We don't know sure. 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:47.959 And I guess really, you know, you would know what 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:50.680 your defense, you know, would like to do against a 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:52.800 guy like Drake at least to you know, make sure 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:54.920 that his debut is a little bit rude out there 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.400 on the field on Sunday. What do you think, in particular, 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:01.080 Houston as defense does well that mike him some problems. 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.080 Well, the Texans look, if you look at the sack numbers, 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:07.920 they look decent league Wie, I think you're top ten 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:10.400 in the league, but seven of them were in one game, 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:12.399 and you know we're still relatively early in the season. 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:15.240 What they do well, though, is get the posing quarterback 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:18.280 off his launching point, and they did that with Josh Allen. 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:20.760 It wasn't a sack best last week, but Allen went 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:22.720 nine for thirty. How many times do you see him 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.160 do that? Even his rookie year, he wasn't doing that. 0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:28.280 So the Texans forced them bad throws, forced him to 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:31.560 be uncomfortable because they do spend time in the backfield. 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.600 Even in their lopsided loss to the Minnesota Vikings, they 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.359 still had four sacks and they got Donald to move around. 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:37.479 Now. 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.040 Donald was able to keep his poise and make the 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:43.479 plays Allen wasn't. And we'll see what a rookie can 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:46.080 do against this defense. But they have to make sure 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:49.320 they get into the backfield because Will Anderson, Junior, Daniel Hunter, 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.840 these guys are good, and the defensive tackles are underrated. Fully. 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:54.480 Fotacasi's having a nice year, best of his career so far. 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:57.200 Mario Edwards has been around the block in this league, 0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:00.919 but he's felt a resurgence playing for this squad, and 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:04.000 I think that's a tribute to really the entire staff. 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:07.800 But Demiko ryans so positive, so encouraging, the kind of 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:09.840 coach people really want to play for. And you're seeing 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.840 the results on the field, and it's particularly noticeable because 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.640 they win the close games. You know, this lead over 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:18.240 this league is it's a one score league basically all 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:21.520 the every week, all the time. And who wins these 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.840 close games. The teams that are together play together and 0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:27.320 feed off each other. That's what this squad is doing. 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:29.920 Mark just one for me. I just wanted to ask 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:34.200 you about the offense. And Houston is nineteenth in scoring 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:36.600 with all this talent, like, it's kind of hard to believe, 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.160 right and you watch them and it doesn't feel that way. 0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:41.760 Is there anything you can point your finger on as 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:43.560 to why they haven't scored more points? 0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:48.359 Tatastrophic mistakes in their four victories. Against the Colts on 0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:50.959 opening Day, they got a punt block and it results 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:53.879 in a gift touchdown. A play later against the Bears, 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:56.320 they fumble at the five yard line when they're about 0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:59.440 to punch it in and it turns could be two 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:03.000 score games into a one score game. Ultimately, need I 0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:04.879 go on the Jags. I mean, NaN's a rally in 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:06.920 that one because they muffed the punt early, gave them 0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:11.160 a gift touchdown off that. And lastly, two fourth quarter turnovers, 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:13.800 one of them resulted in a field goal, and it 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:16.320 just kept things close when they didn't really need to be. 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.240 The Texans have also been penalized a lot. Last week 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.120 they cleaned it up a bit. It kind of reared 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:23.880 its ugly head after halftime. The two weeks prior one 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:25.679 to loss. Want to win. They had a lot of 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.800 false starts things like that. They've been messy, they've been 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.360 a little sloppy. They got to tighten up and that's 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.480 what enabled the opponent to stay close, and that's why 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:36.560 the Texans haven't been able to score a ton of points. 0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:38.920 But when you look at the yards, they're definitely moving 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:40.879 the football. I mean there's the number one passing attack 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.680 in the league and yards per game Stroud is amazing. 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.800 They've got the weapons. Even without Nico Collins, they should 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.159 be able to get some yards through the air. They 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:51.000 want to run it better. They have not run the 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:52.840 ball as well as they want to do. There's no 0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.760 question about that, and we'll see if that materializes. I 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:57.760 think Damian Pierce should be back this week. So I'm 0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.960 at practice today. I'm hoping, I'm crossing my and hoping 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.400 he can stay healthy and get out there. So we'll 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:05.399 see how it goes. But yeah, they have not scored 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:08.200 points to their liking. Twenty nine is the season high 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:09.040 and that was week one. 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:11.080 All right, Mark, I know you got to go, but 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.480 I appreciate a little time here today. Thank you. Save 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:17.600 travels this way, and I will personally make certain that 0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:20.480 the clam chowder is still warm for you when you 0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:21.639 decide to come out of the booth. 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.600 Yeah. Please, And let's get some U Mass fans in 0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:28.160 the crowd. Please, I'd like to see. 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:28.399 Some of that. 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:30.840 Wait, you mess has fans football fans. 0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:31.600 What's that? 0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.240 I said, you mess has fans? 0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:38.439 Yes, they do. Don't do that to me, you know, 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:40.760 I'm just you and I go back to Big East days, 0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:42.000 Miami versus Providence. 0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.760 We do fun, we do well well beyond that. I 0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.560 don't remember your days at you Mass. Absolutely, thanks buddy, 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:48.560 appreciate the time. 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:50.719 All right, Thanks guys, you got it. 0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:53.880 Mark Vandermeir the one and only voice of the Houston Texans. 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:58.240 You can follow him on x at Texan's Voice. That's 0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:00.480 where you find him on that. So yeah, good handle. 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:03.520 It was very good handle. And you know, Houston's listen. 0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:05.919 This is a team that for a number of years 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.840 we all thought, you know, would have potential for whatever reason, 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:11.920 they have never been able to get over the hump. 0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:15.280 You remember the whole you know, letterjacket thing that went 0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:17.280 on here with Jed J. Watt over a few years ago, 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:19.560 and can you forget that stuff? Right? And so whenever 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.359 I think Houston Texans, that's actually what I think of, 0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:24.800 because I just think of man alive. You know, they 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.000 just kept their mouths shut, but that seemed to, you know, 0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.119 go right in their face. Now, I think they've got 0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:31.240 enough talent, especially on the offensive side of the ball, 0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:35.199 as you alluded to, to overcome whatever foibles they have. They 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:38.080 seem to certainly be quick enough defensively where they can 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.040 play well enough with everybody else. But as he pointed out, 0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:43.640 they're kind of shooting themselves in the foot, not unlike 0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:45.400 what the Patriots are doing. But they've already got a 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:48.480 better offense on the field. So I think the secondary, 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.719 while the Patriot's secondary has been good at times, is 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:53.480 going to be extremely challenged. Yeah. 0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:56.600 I wanted to ask Mark that question because it's often 0:28:56.800 --> 0:29:00.000 something like that where it's like turnover, is it inoperate 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:04.000 tune times or poor situational football? And as somebody on 0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:06.480 the outside looking in, you don't necessarily think of those 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.479 little things all the time because you look at their 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:15.520 numbers right now, a quarterback a team quarterback by c. J. 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:19.320 Stroud with the number one receiver in football is nineteenth 0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:22.160 in scoring. That doesn't really make much sense, you know. 0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:23.840 He said that they're number one in the league in 0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:27.040 passing yards right now, but they're only scoring twenty points 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:30.840 a game. Yeah, that doesn't necessarily compute their early down offense. 0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:35.560 They're expected points added on early downs right now is 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.480 worse than the Patriots. They are a worse first and 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:42.480 second town team than New England is like this offense 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:46.160 right that's changing their quarterback. So it is a weird 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.120 one of those weird anomalies with Houston right now. 0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:49.440 Now. 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:53.360 On the defensive side of the ball, they've been lights 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.239 out really the entire year. They've been really impressive on 0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:59.680 that side of the football. Number three in DVOA on defense, 0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:02.400 Umber one in pressure rate. They're playing a lot more 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:05.640 man to man. They're playing more aggressive style under Demiko 0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.640 Ryans this year, so it's a tough defense to go 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:12.880 up against. But I continue to just be baffled by 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:16.680 how you could watch the tape and see how good c. J. 0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:21.280 Stroud is and he is fantastic in the pocket. And 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.800 then the production just you know, you go to the 0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:27.120 box score and it's it's nineteen to thirteen. 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:28.920 Or you know, or whatever they're shoot him. 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:30.920 So yeah, and I'm just or twenty I think it's 0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.840 twenty three twenty against Buffalo last week on Sunday. 0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.000 So it's just like, how do we get there? 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:39.080 And yet, defensively, this team is impressive what they've done 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.840 against opposing quarterbacks this far. Yeah, they gave you know, 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:44.719 Josh Allen perfect example last week, gave him Molly can 0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.400 handle and then some gave him a concussion probably. I mean, 0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:52.440 it's it's and then let's get back to the original 0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:54.520 premise of the show today, which we're talking about Drake 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:58.320 May's debut. He is going to have his hands full 0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:00.520 in trying to figure out what he was going to do. 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:04.240 If I'm Houston, I'm throwing everything, including the kitchen sink 0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:07.880 at him, And why wouldn't you in a competitive game 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:11.200 in a competitive world. I'm gonna do everything I can 0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.720 to make life as difficult as possible for the air 0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:14.880 apparent at quarterback. 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.760 Yeah, the one thing that he maybe has going for 0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:21.240 him in this particular game. Is I wouldn't call Houston 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:24.640 to spin the dial defense. This isn't necessarily a defense 0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:28.520 that is is a disguise heavy or isn't showing their 0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:31.280 cards before the ball is snapped. You know, when they 0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:34.280 want to come after a quarterback, they're gonna put five 0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:36.280 or six guys up on the line of scrimmage, and 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:38.840 you know they're coming like you know something. Maybe it's 0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:40.959 not all six, maybe it's you know, four and they 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.800 drop two out or whatever the case may be. But 0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.920 they they show their cards a lot, so you're not 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.480 necessarily gonna be in a position where you're gonna be 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:51.560 scrambling post snap to try to figure out what the 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:52.360 defense is in. 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:52.880 You know. 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:57.080 That's really this system, This system that I was gonna 0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:00.440 say Robert solid, but no longer. The Jets run the 0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:03.800 forty nine ers a run obviously. The Houston Texans run 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:07.120 under Damiko Ryans is a we do what we do 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:09.720 kind of defense, and they just a couple of weeks 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.680 ago played this defense twice in a row. The Jets 0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:14.960 and the forty nine Ers both run the same system, 0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:19.320 so they should know relatively what Houston's going to do. Defensively. 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.680 I'd also just look at Week two against Caleb Williams 0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:26.480 and another rookie quarterback and say, well, that work for 0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:29.240 them against Caleb, So that's probably what they're gonna do 0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:32.080 against Drake May on Sunday. So they should know what's 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.880 reason right, Yeah, they should know what's coming. That doesn't 0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.640 make it easier, but they should know what's coming. 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:40.520 All right. So that means I got two questions for 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:42.160 you before I get you out of here. Number one. 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:44.960 Drowd Mayo said earlier today that Drake May gives the 0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:49.160 Patriots the best chance to win the game. Yeah, is 0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:51.240 there a chance to win this game on Sunday? 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:56.520 It's an unknown because if I'm right about Drake May 0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:58.520 and he goes out there and he plays like a star, 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.400 then yeah, Obviously, when you have a quarterback that's pulling 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.520 that hard on the rope and you can certainly win 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:05.400 any game that you're in. 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:06.560 We know that all too well. 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:08.920 Then when you go into a game with a quarterback 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.040 like that, that you have a chance. So I'm willing 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.080 to say that they have a chance, mainly because of 0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:16.240 what Mark was talking about. Houston hasn't really pulled away 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.600 from anybody yet this year I mentioned the Bears game. 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:23.920 They sacked CAYLEB Williams seven times, they picked him off twice, 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.720 and they won the game nineteen to thirteen. It was 0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:29.480 a one score game when all was said and done. 0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:32.200 So if the Texans don't clean their act up on 0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:35.440 that side of the football, if they're not crisper and 0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.440 they're not sharper with their execution, then they will leave 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:40.560 the door open for the Patriots in this game a 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:42.560 little bit. So there's gonna be a lot of juice 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.600 in the building. I'm sure he's gonna be jacked up. 0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.640 Maybe he does give them a spark offensively. So I'm 0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:51.640 saying there's a chance, But I'm also willing to be 0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:53.360 a little bit realistic. 0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:55.480 Just gonna say, because I heard today before I came 0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:59.440 into the studio, both on radio and from you know fans, 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.040 you know on campus, you know where I teach, that 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.200 it's kind of like this is the season opener all 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:07.960 over again, you know, like we can eliminate the last 0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:11.040 month almost and start all over. And in a sense, 0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:14.239 I understand that mindset, and I also get what the 0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:16.360 fans would feel like that, and that's why I agree 0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:17.840 with you I think the stadium will be full of 0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:21.239 juice on Sunday, and it kind of leads to well, 0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:23.040 maybe this is why we had to make the move, 0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:24.960 because they wanted the juice from the fans. 0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:28.799 Yeah, it's possible to me where what that means at 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:29.840 the start of the season. 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.239 I always think about week one. 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:35.359 Nobody really knows what you are in terms of schematics, Like, 0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:37.879 you don't really know, especially when you have so much 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:41.239 turnover on the roster, new coordinator, new quarterback. 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:42.920 That's right, we don't know who this team is. 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:46.319 We don't know what they have planned right for Drake 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:50.520 May as the quarterback. I like to hope and this 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.520 is something that will judge off of this game and 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:54.320 moving forward. 0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:55.759 But I would like to. 0:34:55.760 --> 0:35:01.640 Hope that Alex van Pelt, Ben McAdoo, the offensive coaching staff, 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:06.040 has been preparing the Drake May playbook since. 0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:09.120 Muzzle comes off. That's what we want, you know, the muzzle. 0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:11.839 We want the leash loosened, we want everything off. And 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:15.360 he needs to show his coaches, his teammates, the fans, 0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:17.280 the meeting. You need to show everybody. This is why 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.560 you know, I need to justify being taken third. 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.759 Yeah, it and their coaches too. Like, to me, the 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.000 onus right now is not so much on Drake, it's 0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:28.440 on the coaches, Like the coaches need to not only 0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:31.640 call things that he's comfortable running, but show me some 0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:36.520 schematic tweaks, show me some creativity on the offensive side 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:40.200 of the football, show me some innovation on that side 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:42.160 of the ball, because now you don't have the excuse 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.080 anymore of well, we're limited at quarterback, Like you don't 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:48.160 have that excuse. Nope, you can say that you're mentally limited, 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:50.440 maybe that he's a rookie in his first career start 0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:53.120 and he's not going to read defenses and be that 0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:57.160 type of guy just yet. But physically he can reach 0:35:57.200 --> 0:35:59.960 every single area of the field. He can run instruct 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:02.480 sure at a structure, he can improvise like you have 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:06.160 everything at your fingertips now, So what are they thinking 0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:09.759 of doing from a schematic perspective, which Drake may is 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.279 going to be huge? I want to I want to 0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:14.439 be dazzled a little bit, like, show me something, show 0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:14.920 me what you. 0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:17.839 Got right you have to have. 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.560 We're dying, I know. 0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:22.879 But I'm not just talking about being dazzled just by 0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.080 the quarterback. Like the quarterback is going to do it 0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:28.120 like I'd. 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:29.920 Be dazzled if the offensive line made a block. 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:31.200 I am not. 0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.680 I am not concerned that we won't see flashes from 0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:37.640 Drake because we saw it all summer long and all 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:42.479 preseason long. The question is is schematically, what's the Drake 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:46.480 may offense look like. What is the way that they 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:49.200 are going to get him involved in more ways than 0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:52.360 just with his arm, Because we also saw this in 0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:56.279 the preseason. You have designed quarterback run at your disposal now, 0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:59.080 so when you get on the goal line and you 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:01.600 need to punch the ball in, you can zone read, 0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:08.000 you can RPO, you can have draw, you can do 0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:11.560 all sorts of things at your disposal now to pick 0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:14.160 up a first down, to run it in on the 0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.480 goal line if you want to go for it on 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.799 fourth and one. Now you're eleven on eleven, you're no 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:22.960 longer playing with a quarterback that can't be a factor 0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.840 into that. But in order for that to be the case, 0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.680 they need to scheme it up that way. So I'm 0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:30.719 really curious to see how that goes. I think that 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:32.280 can change a lot for this offense. 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:35.440 Well, the second question I had for you is unattached 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.480 to the Drake May discussion. But I need to get 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:42.280 your opinions on Robert Sola's firing of the Jets. Yeah, 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:44.920 after only four weeks, and really after five weeks rather 0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:48.160 and only two weeks after, they just thumped you as 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:51.279 bad as anybody has thumped you this year. I just 0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:52.719 thought that was highly ironic. 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:56.520 Well, we talk about knee jerk reactions. That's what it 0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:58.160 feels like in New York. And I get it that 0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:01.680 they would each Johns and their owners said that this 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:06.000 is the most talented Jets team ever assembled. And I 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:09.680 don't necessarily think that that's hyperbolic, like that could be accurate, 0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:13.160 Like it's certainly the most talented Jets team in my lifetime. 0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:15.399 I can tell you that I don't go as far 0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:18.320 back as some, but I can tell you in my lifetime, 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.600 this ain't the Chad Pennington New York Jets. This ain't 0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:25.080 the Gino Smith or Mark Sanchez Jets. This Jets team 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:28.000 is loaded on both sides of the football. When they 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:30.279 played the Patriots on Thursday Night a few weeks ago, 0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:34.480 that talent gap is what won that game so decisively 0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:37.239 for the Jets. It was very crystal clear who had 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:41.040 more talent on the field that night. Now they're trying 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:44.560 to win games, not against the Patriots, They're trying to 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:47.319 win games against the the cream of the crop. And 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.920 that's where coaching can come in because coaching. Belichick always 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:54.520 used to say that coaching can lose you games. Players 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:57.880 win games. And what they felt like was happening was 0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:01.720 that Robert Salla and the coaching staff would losing football 0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:05.040 games for that team because they have all this talent 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:06.200 that they should be winning. 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:08.680 So I get it was. 0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:11.080 There butting of hits between him and Aaron Rodgers. 0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:17.319 Rogers says, no, you want to take his value. What 0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:23.200 I believe with that situation is that Rogers has his 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:27.960 guys in that building, one of them being in Nate Hackett, 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.880 who is one of his good friends in the business 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:35.840 and as somebody that he trusts. And look, Rogers is 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.640 a tough We had this with Brady, and I understand 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.160 that it was a much more successful level than where 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:44.680 the Jets are right now. But Brady had his way 0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:47.600 of doing things. You know that he ran his offense. 0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:53.239 He didn't necessarily want much input. He didn't allow receivers 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:56.080 in the circle of trust very easily. When they had 0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:59.040 new receivers on the team. Rogers to me, strikes me 0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:02.319 as that maybe even ramped up a little bit times ten. 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:06.400 There are certain things schematically and certain things from a 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:09.920 play design perspective that Aaron Rodgers just doesn't want a 0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:11.919 piece of, Like apparently he doesn't He's not a big 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.160 fan of motion at the snap or pre snap motion. 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:16.600 So he just wants to get to the line of scrimmage, 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:19.120 pick his matchups, and go to work. He doesn't want 0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:21.319 all these bells and whistles that you see from all 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:25.360 these innovative offensive minds around the league, you know, the Miami's, 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:26.960 the San Francisco's, the Rams. 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:27.160 You know. 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:29.719 He doesn't want any of the bells and whistles. He 0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:32.680 just wants to line up and I'm better than you, right, 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.880 and that sort of thing. So it seems to me 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:39.280 like there might have been some issues in that regard 0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:41.080 of like how do we want to play the game, 0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.440 like how do we want to win football games? And 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:45.120 just you know, to relate it back a little bit 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:48.080 to Drake May That was the biggest thing to me 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:51.600 with with this whole operation in the last five weeks 0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:55.120 when it comes to the head coach you are not 0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:58.160 necessarily going into the game and calling the offense or 0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:00.560 calling the defense. But you have to go to your 0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:04.440 coordinators and to your assistant coaches and with a plan 0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:07.680 every single week. Of these are the four to three 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:10.640 you know, three things, four things that we have to 0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:14.120 do that are non negotiable to win this football game. 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:14.399 Right. 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:17.480 I'll give you an example when they are before the 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:23.200 half on Sunday against Miami. Poor situational football. In that scenario, 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:25.640 they run the ball for seven or eight yards on 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:27.279 first down, and then they pass it twice and they 0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:30.520 end up punting the ball back to the Miami Dolphins 0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:34.680 without wasting any time. Practically, if your girod Mayo, I'd 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.080 like to hear Darrod Mayo get into the headset to 0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:41.000 Alex Van Pelton, say we're running the ball here, we're 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:44.280 backed up on our own goal line. We can't allow 0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:46.319 them to get the ball back before the half. This 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:48.839 has to be the last possession of the half. You 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.480 call it like whatever run play you want to call. 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:53.359 You want to call gap, you want to call it 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.440 outside zone, you want to call power like you call it. 0:41:56.920 --> 0:42:00.719 But this is what we're doing, and for I know 0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:03.479 everybody thinks there is no plan for once. I feel 0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:05.680 like there is a direction. Like girod Mao went in 0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:11.120 on Monday and said, we're making the change. I'm the 0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:14.680 head coach and this is what we're doing. Everybody else 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:19.600 needs to just get on board. And this whole collaborative stuff. 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:21.840 You know, we gotta run it by Elliott, and you 0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:24.319 gotta run it by AVP and we got to run 0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:25.200 it by mcadude. 0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:28.480 Like, no, you're the head coach, like this is your team. 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:31.520 Maybe this is something he just wasn't comfortable doing. Yeah, 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:33.520 but he's decided no, I gotta do it. 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:36.239 Yeah, And I feel I know I'm going to be 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:39.120 on an island on this. I feel that that's growth. 0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:42.480 I feel that that's growth. I feel like we've gotten 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:45.080 to the point now where he is putting his foot 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:48.839 down and he is saying, no, this is how we 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:50.000 are going to do things. 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:51.080 This is my football. 0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:53.640 He needs to do that. I agree, he needs to 0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:55.799 do that. I think there has to be more of 0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:59.560 a demonstrative measure here from Gerrod Mayo. Yeah, I think 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:01.640 maybe this is the first step toward that. Yeah. 0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:04.440 He was asked on Monday about changing play callers and he. 0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:06.160 Threw cold hater. 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:08.480 Yeah, so it sounds like that I would have to 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:08.960 begree with that. 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:10.680 By the way, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the coach's 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.560 side on this one because it's unfair to Alex van Pelt, 0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:15.560 largely because of who he's had to work with. 0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.440 Yeah, and I and he's also a first time play caller, 0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:20.919 So let's let him go through his lumps, since, yeah, 0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:21.800 he gets better. 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.439 At You're gonna give gerard Is lumps. You're gonna give 0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:27.120 Jacoby Is lumps. You're gonna give Drake his lumps. A 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:28.600 VP needs the lumps. 0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:29.080 Yeah, one hundred. 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:32.640 I just I feel as though a lot of what's 0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:35.600 happened here is that there's a lot of voices. And 0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:37.360 this is just my opinion. I have to preface that 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:39.640 now every time I talk. This is just my opinion. 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:43.000 I feel as though there's been a lot of cooks 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:47.560 in the kitchen. Yeah, and it's coming from upstairs, or 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.920 it's coming from the coordinator level, or it's coming from 0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:53.680 here and there and everywhere, And Gerrod Mayo is trying 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.759 to just straighten out this ship of This is what 0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:59.640 I want to do. They need to start building a 0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:01.880 culture like they need to start building roots of a 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:02.759 foundation here. 0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:04.799 This is who we are right. 0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:06.560 And now, this to me is a big first step. 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:08.719 I give him kudos. I think he stood up to 0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:12.040 everybody on Monday, and I'm just again my opinion, he 0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:14.920 stood up to everybody on Monday and he said this 0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.879 is what we're doing, get on board, And I can't 0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:18.600 say he's. 0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:20.520 Done that a lot previously. 0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:22.239 Yeah, and so I'm happy you. 0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:24.200 Left you wondering, kind of scratching your head. Yeah, Hey, 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:25.480 you know what the bottom line is out of all 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:28.759 of this right now? What's that Patriots are only two 0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:29.760 games out of first place. 0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:35.560 Look, I'm not going there. I'm not going there. I'm 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:38.400 not going there. But it's exciting that. You know, we 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:42.680 had people calling to PU and stuff and talk about Okay, well, 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:47.840 you know, it felt rudderless before, like we're on this 0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:51.640 road to nowhere because Jacob Brissett isn't the future. The 0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:55.520 product isn't watchable, he's not the quarterback of the future, 0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:58.000 So like, what are we doing here now? At least 0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:01.279 even if they don't win on Sunday, they could have 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:03.680 a similar game to what they had in San Francisco, 0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:06.200 and it could look just as bad, right in terms 0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:08.920 of the other three two phases and the whole operation 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.279 and all that kind of stuff. But if Drake May 0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:17.600 gives us three or four or five Wow plays, then 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.840 it's gonna feel different. It's gonna feel like there is hope, 0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:24.640 and hopefully that becomes more consistent, and hopefully he becomes 0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:27.759 more consistent and we grow from there. Now it really 0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:29.520 does feel like we have a new lease on life 0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:30.560 around here a little. 0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:34.480 Bit the season opener, Yeah, all over again, as I said, right, yep, absolutely, 0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:36.520 thanks buddy. Of course, make sure you're sticking around a 0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:38.840 little extra here, all right. The one and only Easy 0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:42.080 Lazar at Easy Lazar on X joining us here on 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:44.279 the program, of course. This program is also brought to 0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:46.640 you by bud Light, Easy to Drink, Easy to Enjoy, 0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:50.520 bud Light, the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. 0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:54.320 Eight five five PATS five hundred, the toll free telephone number. 0:45:54.840 --> 0:46:00.200 It is podcasts at Patriots dot com. That's podcast with 0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:03.279 an s plural at Patriots dot com is the new 0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:05.600 web address to join us if you want to follow 0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:09.239 along on Twitter, even submit a question on Twitter or X. 0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:11.839 Because I always screwed that part up. You can hit 0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:15.399 me up at JR Broadcaster. That's the ex address. All right, 0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:19.080 you want to do what now? Oh you texted me? 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:21.360 Should I take a time out here? Let's just do 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:24.400 it live on TV. I'm going to read what Marines 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:28.640 texts has to say here. Oh yeah, right, we do 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.239 we have a we can hear from Drake May. All right, 0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:33.359 let's do that in a moment, just in a moment, 0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:35.480 have it ready to roll, because we should hear from 0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:37.399 the star of the day, Drake May. But I also 0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:39.640 want to acknowledge the fact that I got two gentlemen 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:42.280 hanging on for quite a time here, Patty and Agawam, 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:47.880 you're up first here in the playbook. Look up, Johnny, Patty, 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:49.200 what's happening today with you? 0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:54.520 Just a work just sort of winding the day down? 0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:57.040 And are you on board? Are you on board with 0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:57.839 the decision here? 0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:04.040 Okay? Any of the guys will tell you that, like I, 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:07.560 for a lack of better term, John, I've been calling 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:11.040 and bitching the last few shows on TU saying that 0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:14.359 you know nothing personal against Jacobe, but to me, he's 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:18.440 a backup quarterback. He kind of always has been a 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:21.840 backup quarterback. Sorry about the echo. 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:24.600 That's right, You're good, I hear you fine. 0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:27.640 To me, it was just well, like like what everyone 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:30.000 else said, I mean, no matter what, I was going 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:36.239 to watch the product, but I was watching it like begrudgingly, like, 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.319 oh my god, I can't believe this is this is 0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:40.880 our team this year, and you know, is this going 0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:43.000 to go on all year? You know, are we going 0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:47.840 to are we going to win another game? And I 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:50.840 didn't think we were with Jacoby as our starting quarterback. 0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:54.120 No, and we said as much, We said as much 0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:57.200 last week. I think that I really thought one in 0:47:57.760 --> 0:48:00.839 sixteen was in play if we can continued. If this 0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:04.000 team had continued down the road that was traveled last week, 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:06.000 I'm not sure how much that really would have changed 0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:09.720 had they won the game last week. I don't believe 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:13.000 that even if that pass to Jalen Polk had been 0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:15.560 complete in the back of the end zone, I'm not 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:19.200 sure that it necessarily would have saved Jacoby's job. I'm 0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:22.040 not necessarily sure that you know that Drake may wouldn't 0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:23.759 have been you know, rushed in as the court. I'm 0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.200 not sure that any of that would have changed. If, 0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:29.160 of course, we are to believe what has been said 0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:31.839 all along that there was going to be a process 0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:35.560 in bringing Drake along in this, but it was clear 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:39.480 when they didn't win it that something needed to change. 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:42.399 So maybe that was a convenience factor. I don't know, 0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:44.920 but this is something we've all seen coming for a while. 0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:47.359 I've been an advocate for doing it since day one, 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:50.080 because then you might actually have you might be a 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:52.040 few weeks ahead of the game. You might be where 0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:55.600 Jaden Daniels is, you might be where you know Caleb 0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:57.879 Williams is. You might We don't know, and we're never 0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:00.520 going to know the answer to that. So well, that's 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:04.319 why I was an advocate for starting now back when 0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:07.880 the season got started. At the very least, it's happening now, 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:09.840 and that's why it's kind of like, hey, this is 0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:11.160 the season opener all over again. 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:13.160 Yeah. 0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:13.479 Right. 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:16.120 And I was on the fence before the season started, 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:18.080 but leading up to Week one, I said, you know what, 0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:20.359 screw it, I want to see the kid play. 0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:23.200 Yeah, we need to see that. We need to see 0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:24.920 what he can do. We need to see what he 0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:26.319 can do with the ball, We need to see what 0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:28.719 he can do under duress. We need to see you know, 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:31.160 if he's been listening to the calls, and we've seen 0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:32.759 the shots of him on the sideline, you know, with 0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:34.840 a year piece end, he's listening to all the calls. 0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:36.880 He know what it is. He can make his own decision. 0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:39.520 He's playing the game in his own mind. So all right, 0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:43.839 how much has he retained? Look, this guy is not 0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:46.600 he's a little bit of a novidge when it comes 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:48.800 to football because he's only started X number of games 0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:50.920 in his entire career. Remember he only started for like 0:49:50.960 --> 0:49:53.640 a season and a half at North Carolina before you know, 0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:58.520 he moved into the central role. He's still relatively brand 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:00.960 new at this when you look at the bigger picture. 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.840 But he comes from a great pedigree. You know, his brothers, 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.040 you know, we're great athletes. His whole family's dad. You know, 0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:11.080 he knows how to play. He's an athlete, you know, 0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:14.759 at H A. L. E. T. He's an athlete. And 0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:17.799 we need to see that because if we don't get 0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:20.839 what we think we got with the third pick, then 0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:22.880 you really got to start looking at the big picture. 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.120 I don't think that'll be the case, but we got 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:27.839 to find out because you know, you got to worry 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:29.520 about the team first more than anything else. 0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:33.960 Yeah, right, and I can't I don't know if I 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:36.000 haven't said it on fewer if he just said it 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:41.080 on this on the playbook with you where this team's 0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.320 talent offensively might not be good enough for them to 0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:45.839 win at least like four more games this year. But 0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:48.600 it's all right, you know, all I'm really looking for, 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:52.080 I think all fans are really looking for is something new, 0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:56.719 something exciting, something to get excited about, and eventually progress. 0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:59.480 You want to see the kid progress and eventually get 0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:03.120 better as as the weeks go on. I mean, if 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:05.399 you look at what Houston did to Josh Allen last week, 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:09.239 he completed like what nine of thirty passes. Look at 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:12.320 Caleb Williams first week, it was almost the exact same statline. 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:14.880 He completed nine of like probably nine of thirty, and 0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:16.399 he's progressively gotten better. 0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:16.800 Yeah. 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:20.680 Jaden Daniels weeks one and two didn't look like anything, 0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:23.920 and now he's like he's in MVP consideration. 0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:26.120 Yeah. So, and so even if he comes out, if 0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:29.719 Drake comes out and struggles this week against Houston, you know, 0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:33.680 there's no reason to get overblown about this. Okay. You 0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:36.120 know we've seen it with the other rookie quarterbacks in 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:38.280 this league, the three that are actually you know, starting 0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:40.120 with their teams. Let's throw boone Nicks into the mix 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:43.200 as well. They've all struggled at times this year because 0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:47.680 their rookies. This is why, again I'm gonna repeat myself here, 0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:50.040 I was an advocate for starting him early so you 0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:53.080 could get by the rough stuff and hopefully he'd started developing, 0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:56.759 like by week five or week six. But okay, that's over, 0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:59.160 that's done. We got to move on now. And so 0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:02.320 now you're going to start the clock and he's gonna 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:05.400 struggle at times, so we have to allow for that. 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.840 You can't say, oh my god, he was terrible, where's 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:10.279 Jacoby bringing back? No, no, no, this is what we have. 0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:12.879 This is what we do. We need to see if 0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:15.440 this guy can play. He gets the entire rest of 0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:18.520 the season to figure this thing out, and that at 0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:21.239 the very least, that's what he's gonna get, and he 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:24.160 should be getting because he is the future. Otherwise, you 0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:26.319 don't take a guy at number three if he's not 0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:29.919 the future of your franchise. So I know there's gonna 0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:32.480 be people that want to shoot their own selves in 0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:34.520 the foot. If he doesn't have a good game this week, 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:37.040 if the Patriots get blown out or whatever happens, there's 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:39.239 gonna be people saying, Oh, they should have never done it. Look, 0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:42.400 he got killed behind that awful offensive line. I'm not 0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:45.959 buying that. I'm not buying that. If he gets killed 0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:49.560 behind the offensive line, then that's as much his fault 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:52.560 as it is the offensive line's fault. He's got the ability, 0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:54.960 he's got to know how. I think, frankly, we'll see 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:57.440 him do a lot of rolling out of the pocket. 0:52:57.680 --> 0:52:59.560 I think he's gonna have to move the pocket a 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:02.440 little bit in order to avoid a rush that's clearly 0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:05.239 gonna pit its ears back and come after him. So 0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:09.759 in that regard, you'll you'll probably see, you know, a 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:12.399 VP dial up some plays that we just haven't seen 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:15.439 before because it's not in Jacoby's wheelhouse to be able 0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:18.759 to run those kinds of plays, right. 0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:21.440 And if you know, if they come after him and 0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:24.400 he's able to get the ball down the field and 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:28.200 they switch up and start playing men, he'll we've seen 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:32.520 him like or those that have like watched them play 0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:33.000 in college. 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:34.319 He's not afraid to take off. 0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:37.920 No, No, he's moving. That's right. He'll he'll take off 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:41.000 he has to, and he's not afraid to make mistakes. Okay, 0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:44.239 I thought that, you know, well, Jacoby again deserves to 0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:47.120 have a statue erected. I think because of him, you know, 0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:50.360 taking the bullets here, so to speak. The fact of 0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:53.160 the matter is that he's limited in what he can 0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:55.400 do with the football. Drake can do more with the 0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:58.440 football than Jacoby can. That's not a slam on Jacoby. 0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:01.720 It's just a credit to the town that Drake may has. Okay, 0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:05.719 Jacoby's a great guy. He's a leader, his teammates respect him. 0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:10.160 He's an adequate quarterback. Frankly, he's great as a backup. 0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:12.880 He's exactly what you want, you want a game manager. 0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:16.160 I also believe, quite frankly, that he was kind of 0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:18.480 told to, you know, we need to be conservative at 0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:20.319 the stage of the game until we get you know, 0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:24.200 more bullets in our holster. And I don't know that 0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:26.920 they have that yet, but it's kind of like, well, 0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:29.200 we may never get it, so we got to play 0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:31.840 the young guy. And I really believe the decision to 0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:35.600 play him boil down to basically that, you know, it's 0:54:35.640 --> 0:54:37.040 kind of like We don't know when we're going to 0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:38.960 have more bullets in the holster to be able to 0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:41.040 shoot from our gun. So let's play him before he 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:44.600 gets too late. Bingo, that's why he's starting. 0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:48.279 Yeah, and just a couple more points down and I'll 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:52.359 get off and yeah, you know what, probably they don't 0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:54.200 have the bullets in the holster. But I'll tell you 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:56.000 what I like. I'll tell you what I like what 0:54:56.080 --> 0:55:00.160 I saw this past week. You know, kat Osbourne, he 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:03.680 was injured, but he was inactive. They pretty much even 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:06.760 though he was there and active for the game, Taekwon 0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:12.120 Thornton was essentially obstensively just an active you know, for 0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:14.560 the game last week. And they gave Kisham Boudi a chance. 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:17.480 And Kishan Boudi is actually talented. 0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:21.280 Kishan Boudi got his job. Kaishan Boudi got his playing 0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:24.279 time based on what he's done at practice and what 0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:26.759 he's done at practice well from the little that we've 0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:29.480 seen plus the reports that we've seen and gotten from 0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:33.719 the coaches, he's he knows how to block downfield, he 0:55:33.800 --> 0:55:36.320 knows how to block right and he's in a superb 0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:38.040 job of that in order to be able to try 0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:40.920 to spring guys. So it just tells me that the 0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:44.040 guys that are doing the little things to earn their 0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:46.600 playing time are the ones that are being rewarded as 0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:47.600 it should be. 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:51.560 Yeah, and I'm not saying the kids. The next coming 0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:55.000 up Stefan Diggs, but there is a reason why he was, 0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:59.239 you know, consensus number one, number two wide receiver coming 0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:02.080 out of high school. Because the kid's talented. So I'm 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:06.279 glad he's getting a chance. Pop Polk, let these young 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:09.160 kids place. You have to see what you not only 0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:11.799 what you have with May, but now that you have 0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:14.839 him starting there and you actually have like an uber 0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:16.920 talented quarterback, you need to see what you have at 0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:20.200 the wide receiver position too, before the start of the 0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:27.120 next offseason. And listen, fans, fans out there and anyone 0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:30.520 that's listening. I know you were saying, you know, Drake 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:33.160 May gets the calls. Drake, if you're listening to this call, 0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:38.239 everybody needs to temper their expectations down because this is 0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:41.080 essentially your one of a rebuild. 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:45.040 It's week one, baby, It's week one all over again. 0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:47.680 That's why we started with that today. This is the 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:49.280 season opener all over again. 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:55.239 It's gonna take time. It's gonna take patience. You know, 0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:59.240 you don't go from going fourteen or four and thirteen 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:03.480 last year and not really upgrading other than possibly, you know, 0:57:03.640 --> 0:57:06.640 a couple pieces here at the wide receiver position with 0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:10.120 with Polk, you know, getting a healthy born back and 0:57:10.640 --> 0:57:13.759 taking a quarterback number three overall and expect to win 0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:16.200 twelve games and win the division the next year. It 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:17.400 doesn't happen. 0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:18.960 Yep, you're right, you know. 0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:21.280 But now that I said that, now that I've sort 0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:24.800 of grounded myself in reality, I'm going to enter fantasy 0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:28.680 land for a second. John, here's my prediction for the game. Okay, 0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:32.520 Patriots pull off a huge upset. I think the crowd 0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:35.040 is going to be juiced. I think that place is 0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:38.760 going to be loud. Gillette's going to be freaking, you know, 0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:41.680 chopping at the bit to see this kid come in 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:42.520 and have a big game. 0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:42.919 I think. 0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:45.320 I think May's going to be amped up. I think 0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:47.040 he's going to have a few big time throws, and 0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:50.880 I'm I'm picking the Patriots to win twenty eight to twenty. 0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:54.440 Wow, Well, the Patriots can score twenty eight points. I 0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:56.000 tell you what, There'll be a lot of people with 0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:59.760 eyes wide open. I'll put it to you that way, 0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:05.000 you the man, Patty, thank you, all right, you got it, 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:09.040 Patty and agawam for twenty eight point healthy for twenty points. 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:10.400 I think would be at least on the right track, 0:58:10.400 --> 0:58:13.800 wouldn't we. Eldred in North Carolina? What's up, Eldred? 0:58:17.040 --> 0:58:17.920 Mister? 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:21.520 It's all good today. Clearly you're on the road. Be 0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:23.480 safe out there, and that guy's dead. 0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:26.400 Oh yeah, I'm riding around and wish to Salem right now, 0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:29.080 so huh dropping one load off there and I'm done 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:29.880 done for the day. 0:58:30.080 --> 0:58:33.240 All right, very good, all right, be safe out there. 0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:35.640 Are you guys gonna get You're not gonna get it. No, see, 0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:37.440 you're not gonna get any of the aftermath of the 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:40.000 of the hurricane that's hitting Florida because it's going to 0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:42.760 go out to the Atlantic. So I think that's probably 0:58:42.800 --> 0:58:43.720 a good thing, right. 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:48.320 Yes, because the mountains and Ashfield still having problem. 0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:51.000 Oh I know, I feel I feel so badly for 0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:53.800 the people of Asheville. I've got uh, I've got a 0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:56.360 dear friend of mine who lives in Greenville, South Carolina, 0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:58.960 which is you know, is not far away, and uh 0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:00.840 uh you know, and he took a tree right in 0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:04.600 the middle of his house, so you know, he's got 0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:06.960 his power back, but he can't get the tree out 0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:09.600 of the house until somebody comes by, like an insurance 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:12.000 adjuster to give him an estimate on the repairs. And 0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:14.360 that may take a while, so crazy. 0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:15.440 Huh yeah, that is. 0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:15.959 Kind of slow. 0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:19.640 Yeah uh Threeville and s Farmer, South Carolina. Like I 0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:22.160 got family there too, Yeah, and day too long got 0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:25.560 their power on like yesterday and day before. Wow, you know, 0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:28.520 And that what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm just glad 0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:31.320 he just didn't have him that bad up in Charlotte. 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:33.600 We had some powers and stuff out, but wasn't that bad. 0:59:33.720 --> 0:59:34.320 Yeah, yep. 0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:39.680 But but like I said before, I'm glad he got 0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:41.840 a shot. But like I told you a little while back, 0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:43.240 I would have started him day one. 0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:48.080 Yes, three, Yes, yes exactly. We're you and I are 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:50.520 in agreement. We're on the same page here. Yep, there's 0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:52.200 I would not have sat him. I would have started 0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:54.440 him day one, no question, I would have. 0:59:54.800 --> 0:59:56.360 I would have. But even though I'm not in a 0:59:56.360 --> 0:59:58.120 wheelhouse yet. But like I say, you got to show 0:59:58.160 --> 1:00:00.120 me now in mister S three, you just got to 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:03.400 show me. But like I said, maybe buy a made jersey. 1:00:03.720 --> 1:00:06.400 Ain't about a Patriot jersey. In a while. I still 1:00:06.440 --> 1:00:07.920 got Brady's and mouth. 1:00:10.200 --> 1:00:12.200 You know what I'm gonna like this weekend, though, I'm 1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:16.160 gonna really like seeing the patriot red jersey with a 1:00:16.200 --> 1:00:19.360 white ten on it and and the white helmet with 1:00:19.440 --> 1:00:21.760 the old pat Patriot on it. I'm gonna enjoy the 1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:23.080 heck out of there this weekend. 1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:26.040 Me too, Me too, I'm gonna enjoy that. But uh, 1:00:26.160 --> 1:00:27.640 i'd be working for a little bit. But I should 1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:30.600 get back in town to see the second half. But 1:00:31.200 --> 1:00:35.080 one thing I heard but May in this press Carson conference, 1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:38.200 and I hope you don't do that. Well he's talking 1:00:38.200 --> 1:00:40.640 about the coach will tell him, don't try to say 1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:44.080 too much offstrip. No, let that guy play, don't put 1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:47.000 no muggle on him, Let him play. Let him play. 1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:49.520 You know, if you gonna put a muggle on him, 1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:51.320 to the back there in that pocket, you know, and 1:00:52.280 --> 1:00:53.880 let that guy. Let let that guy play. 1:00:54.120 --> 1:00:56.520 That's why I think they'll get it. That's why I 1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:58.160 think they'll run him out of the pocket. You know, 1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:00.000 he's gonna be moving. I don't think he's gonna be 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:03.880 a statue by any stratechy the imagination back in the 1:01:03.920 --> 1:01:05.920 in the in the in the offensive backfield. He's going 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:10.240 to be moving, uh you know, And so yeah, go. 1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:14.080 Ahead, but I'm sorry, sir, but but I won't. You 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:16.720 have to take his victory lap. So I keep taking mind. 1:01:16.800 --> 1:01:21.360 You every time y'all mentioned CJ Strout, I keep taking mind. 1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:24.760 So that's what I told y'all two years ago to 1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:26.520 be coaching well, Joe. 1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:31.000 Well, that's why I asked Mark vandermir from the Texans 1:01:31.000 --> 1:01:33.479 earlier about to take us back to a year ago 1:01:33.560 --> 1:01:36.080 when largely c J. Stroud and Drake and May were 1:01:36.080 --> 1:01:38.120 in the same position, and we were talking a lot 1:01:38.160 --> 1:01:40.520 about how, you know, the two were comparable, how they 1:01:40.560 --> 1:01:43.480 got started. But CJ picked it up really quickly, you know, 1:01:43.640 --> 1:01:46.560 and so it was not a hard decision, you know, 1:01:46.680 --> 1:01:48.480 for the Texans to make to put him into the 1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:51.800 starting lineup. So Davis Mills was the starter, just like 1:01:51.920 --> 1:01:54.800 Jacoby Brissett was the starter here. And you know, so 1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:57.720 I can appreciate, you know, the similar path that both 1:01:57.760 --> 1:02:00.640 of these guys are taking the starting in the end, fell. 1:02:01.840 --> 1:02:04.400 Yep, can I ask you a question that I see 1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:06.360 be spetch in my head because you know, I'm a 1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:10.160 receiver guy, right, yeah, so I know we've got the 1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:15.280 new wide receiver coaches. Okay, and Hikwon, if you can 1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:19.720 hear me, why you're not putting your ballad to use 1:02:20.440 --> 1:02:22.200 where you can be that top eight. That's what I 1:02:22.240 --> 1:02:24.440 can't understand. I can't understand it. 1:02:24.680 --> 1:02:27.480 We can be Yeah, look, Eldred, I wish I could 1:02:27.520 --> 1:02:30.520 answer that one for you. I mean, I'm not even 1:02:30.560 --> 1:02:32.720 sure Taekwon can answer it for you, to be honest 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:36.440 with you, I got to hike the speed and he 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:38.600 put on weight in the off season. You know, he 1:02:38.680 --> 1:02:40.800 knew he needed to get stronger, he needed to do 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:43.520 and yet it's still not So the only thing I 1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:45.840 can tell you is is that it looks to me 1:02:46.160 --> 1:02:48.760 and based on the things that I've seen for myself, 1:02:48.760 --> 1:02:50.280 and maybe you can even pull it out a little 1:02:50.320 --> 1:02:54.760 bit yourself, being a receiver, as you suggested, he's just 1:02:54.800 --> 1:02:56.840 not doing the things you need to do to get open. 1:02:57.200 --> 1:03:01.480 There's no separation. They're getting very little separate from anybody. 1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:03.280 Thats me, because he had a full two speed. 1:03:03.760 --> 1:03:07.080 That what kills me. Well, that's okay, Yeah, and I 1:03:07.080 --> 1:03:08.439 can't understand why you ain't. 1:03:08.720 --> 1:03:12.080 That tells me that he's in decisive okay. But Eldrick, 1:03:12.160 --> 1:03:14.600 that tells me with four two speed, if he's not 1:03:14.600 --> 1:03:17.680 getting open, he's indecisive on the route that he should 1:03:17.760 --> 1:03:21.400 be running and the route that he is running, there's 1:03:21.440 --> 1:03:24.880 indecision on there. There's doubt he's not cutting it loose. 1:03:26.040 --> 1:03:29.000 That's that's what that tells me, okay. And if he's 1:03:29.080 --> 1:03:32.760 not willing or able even to cut it loose, dude, 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:34.600 we got to put somebody in there that is willing 1:03:34.600 --> 1:03:36.000 to do that, real simple. 1:03:36.280 --> 1:03:38.680 Yeah, Yeah, I betrayed him too. Try I look at 1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:41.920 somebody with that count of speed, with that height, and 1:03:41.920 --> 1:03:44.440 see if I can make him into it if I 1:03:44.520 --> 1:03:46.560 have to go in through the draft or get my 1:03:46.600 --> 1:03:49.720 boy like I wanted into nineteen DK metcalf Sure after 1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:50.280 all count. 1:03:50.120 --> 1:03:55.760 Of absolutely, Harry, Yeah, absolutely. 1:03:55.960 --> 1:03:58.600 You have a good days, always, good times, you, mister legend. 1:03:58.600 --> 1:04:01.880 Be safe out there, big boy, Yes, sir, all right, 1:04:01.920 --> 1:04:04.800 you got it, Eldred in North Carolina, all right out 1:04:04.840 --> 1:04:07.600 on the road in Winston Salem. Be safe out there. 1:04:07.680 --> 1:04:10.400 Everybody be safe out there. Let's move now to Chris 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:13.840 Price Covers the Patriots, of course, for the Boston Globe, 1:04:14.200 --> 1:04:16.280 been a friend of this program for a number of years. 1:04:16.720 --> 1:04:19.960 Noted sports book author as well. We talked about this 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:21.919 a few weeks ago. He's got another hockey one coming 1:04:21.960 --> 1:04:24.040 out soon enough. Chris, how's it going today? 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:26.560 I'm doing great here? How you doing, my friend? 1:04:26.760 --> 1:04:29.280 Awesome? Awesome Chris, by the way, brought to us on 1:04:29.320 --> 1:04:34.520 the TPX Hotline, which of course is a great sponsor 1:04:34.560 --> 1:04:36.560 for us again, and of course the program brought to 1:04:36.600 --> 1:04:39.040 you by bud Light, Easy to Drink, easy to enjoy, 1:04:39.080 --> 1:04:42.400 bud Light, the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. 1:04:42.560 --> 1:04:45.240 All right, so what do you make of I guess 1:04:45.240 --> 1:04:48.280 this could be considered officially day one of the Drake 1:04:48.440 --> 1:04:51.800 May era in New England. And are you at all 1:04:51.920 --> 1:04:56.840 surprised that the decision to insert him at starter came 1:04:56.920 --> 1:04:57.480 when it did? 1:04:58.520 --> 1:05:02.720 I think that, first of all, this is you know, 1:05:02.800 --> 1:05:06.480 the I'm not surprised. I'll say that the idea of 1:05:06.840 --> 1:05:11.120 needing to jump start this passing game, there's no one 1:05:11.160 --> 1:05:14.240 else coming, There's no other kind of card they can 1:05:14.320 --> 1:05:16.120 play when you look at them, when you look at 1:05:16.120 --> 1:05:18.160 this offense, you look at the way it's currently set up, 1:05:18.600 --> 1:05:21.160 that there's no one waiting to come back from you know, 1:05:21.440 --> 1:05:24.920 pup or you know they're they're certainly not going to 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:27.560 trade for anyone. So this is the move that they 1:05:27.680 --> 1:05:31.040 made to at least theoretically try to give the passing 1:05:31.080 --> 1:05:34.440 game a spark. The only question I have here and 1:05:35.320 --> 1:05:37.760 is about the timing up. And I imagine you feel 1:05:37.800 --> 1:05:40.360 kind of the same way that you know, maybe you 1:05:40.440 --> 1:05:42.640 could have done it last week against a banged up 1:05:42.640 --> 1:05:45.520 Miami defense, or maybe you wait another week against the 1:05:45.640 --> 1:05:49.200 Jacksonville team that's really struggling. This Houston team, and this 1:05:49.280 --> 1:05:51.160 Houston pass rush is pretty good. I mean they just 1:05:51.240 --> 1:05:54.560 knocked around Josh Allen pretty good, no question. And so look, 1:05:54.960 --> 1:05:59.200 it's it would be a tall task for any young quarterback, 1:05:59.280 --> 1:06:01.480 much less a quarter back starting his first game in 1:06:01.520 --> 1:06:04.360 the National Football League. But I think, and again I 1:06:04.360 --> 1:06:06.400 think we're in agreement here. You know this was going 1:06:06.480 --> 1:06:10.200 to happen sometime this year. I think Drake accelerated the 1:06:10.240 --> 1:06:13.160 process by his performance in practice and maybe some of 1:06:13.280 --> 1:06:16.760 Jacobi's ineffectiveness over the course of the first five games 1:06:16.920 --> 1:06:17.960 that also contributed. 1:06:18.640 --> 1:06:23.040 Yeah, this was an inevitability. It's curious, and I know 1:06:23.080 --> 1:06:24.960 a lot of the folks that thought that this was 1:06:25.000 --> 1:06:27.280 the wrong move to make because of the status of 1:06:27.320 --> 1:06:29.520 the offensive line, and some of the talent around him 1:06:30.200 --> 1:06:33.840 are questioning, you know why now because of them playing 1:06:33.880 --> 1:06:37.040 Miami last week and playing a stout Houston defense this week. 1:06:37.680 --> 1:06:39.840 But I would tell you that if there is a plan, 1:06:39.920 --> 1:06:43.280 and I've long said, whenever we first heard the words 1:06:43.600 --> 1:06:46.680 the plan, and I'm putting quotes around the plan, Chris, 1:06:47.640 --> 1:06:51.160 whenever we first heard that, whatever the plan may be, 1:06:51.800 --> 1:06:55.600 the plan doesn't include who the opponent is, Okay, that 1:06:55.840 --> 1:07:00.560 the plan would involve whenever we feel he's ready to go. 1:07:01.120 --> 1:07:05.520 That's when he goes, regardless of who the patriot opponent is. 1:07:05.920 --> 1:07:08.400 And that's the part of the plan, if it actually 1:07:08.440 --> 1:07:11.640 exists or existed, that's the part I would agree with. 1:07:11.960 --> 1:07:14.760 You go on your time, you go on your schedule, 1:07:15.120 --> 1:07:18.400 You go when we think you're ready to go. Now, 1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:22.479 maybe the way it planned out last week helped move 1:07:22.560 --> 1:07:25.800 that time frame along a little bit more. I don't know. 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:28.360 That's probably for Gerrod to know and maybe to keep 1:07:28.480 --> 1:07:31.600 to himself in that regard, but it's pretty clear that 1:07:31.920 --> 1:07:34.680 we've all seen that this was bruin for some time. 1:07:35.560 --> 1:07:38.920 Yeah, exactly too, And I'll say this to JR. I 1:07:38.920 --> 1:07:41.520 think that there is value to the unknown if you're 1:07:41.520 --> 1:07:44.080 the Patriots, because obviously, look, Houston has a bunch of 1:07:44.120 --> 1:07:46.120 film on Jacoby Brissett. They know what he can do. 1:07:46.160 --> 1:07:48.040 They know what he's capable of at a national football 1:07:48.080 --> 1:07:52.320 league level. From a regular season perspective, we don't know. 1:07:52.440 --> 1:07:55.120 We don't know about Drake by his ability to perform 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:57.320 when you know, when the real bullets are flying, for 1:07:57.400 --> 1:07:59.400 lack of a better terms. So I think that that 1:07:59.440 --> 1:08:02.560 can kind of play into things if you're the Patriots. Look, 1:08:03.040 --> 1:08:06.800 the hope is here that Drake will be able to 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:10.320 play quicker than Jacoby did, and I'm going to be 1:08:10.400 --> 1:08:13.480 fascinated to see how that might manifest itself. I'm that 1:08:13.600 --> 1:08:16.080 thing that they're going to go up tempo, but just 1:08:16.160 --> 1:08:18.719 the christness in getting in and out of the huddle, 1:08:19.360 --> 1:08:22.360 looking to move the ball as quickly as possible. Things 1:08:22.360 --> 1:08:24.799 that kind of bogged down the last few weeks, in particular, 1:08:25.040 --> 1:08:28.599 would Jacoby under center. Now, I think that ultimately might 1:08:28.760 --> 1:08:32.639 manifest itself in maybe another turnover or two, because I think, 1:08:32.680 --> 1:08:34.840 you know, for all of his for all of the 1:08:34.880 --> 1:08:37.439 attributes he had, I think Jacoby is also very careful 1:08:37.479 --> 1:08:39.400 with the football. Yeah, and I think that's necessarily a 1:08:39.439 --> 1:08:41.840 bad thing. But you're going to see a little bit 1:08:41.880 --> 1:08:44.160 of the youth here kind of come to the floor 1:08:44.200 --> 1:08:46.679 with Drake May and I think that might manifest itself 1:08:46.680 --> 1:08:48.519 in an interception or two. But I also think it's 1:08:48.520 --> 1:08:51.360 going to manifest itself in some faster football than what 1:08:51.360 --> 1:08:53.120 we've seen over the last few weeks. 1:08:53.000 --> 1:08:54.920 Right, Chris, I gotta ask you a sort of a 1:08:54.960 --> 1:08:57.360 silly question here. I don't think there's ever such thing 1:08:57.360 --> 1:08:59.960 as a dumb question, but I'd certainly categorize this, maybe 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:02.879 you as silly, but I got to ask it anyway. 1:09:03.400 --> 1:09:06.960 What would you categorize as a win for the Patriots 1:09:07.000 --> 1:09:09.160 this week short of actually winning the game? 1:09:11.240 --> 1:09:12.040 I think you want to. 1:09:12.040 --> 1:09:14.679 See trending in the right direction, particularly on the offensive 1:09:14.680 --> 1:09:18.439 side of the ball. I think that if Drake is 1:09:19.000 --> 1:09:22.439 let's say, if he goes twenty for thirty for two 1:09:22.520 --> 1:09:25.760 hundred and fifty yards and can show an ability to 1:09:25.880 --> 1:09:29.040 move the ball consistently up and down the field, short 1:09:29.040 --> 1:09:31.679 of a win, I think, you know, you could take 1:09:32.560 --> 1:09:37.400 a positive out of that. But you know that's I 1:09:37.439 --> 1:09:39.160 want to say, that's the only question I have because 1:09:39.160 --> 1:09:40.720 it's weird when you talk about a one and four 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:43.000 team that in my mind might not be one and 1:09:43.120 --> 1:09:45.160 four if it weren't for a few brings here or there. 1:09:46.080 --> 1:09:49.400 But you just want to see some christness, some efficiency, 1:09:49.960 --> 1:09:52.960 some energy in the passing game that we just haven't 1:09:52.960 --> 1:09:55.479 seen over the first you know, really over the first 1:09:55.520 --> 1:09:57.760 five games. I think the running game has done as 1:09:57.760 --> 1:10:00.880 well as could be expected. Ramondre Stevens's all security issues 1:10:00.880 --> 1:10:04.080 to sign. I think the defense has remained competitive even 1:10:04.120 --> 1:10:05.959 after losing so many key pieces. 1:10:06.520 --> 1:10:08.000 All I want to see. 1:10:07.960 --> 1:10:12.280 Is Drake may show an ability to run the offense, 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:14.960 run the you know, execute in the passing game, and 1:10:15.120 --> 1:10:17.120 you'll really move the ball up and down the field. 1:10:17.160 --> 1:10:19.559 I'd like them to stay competitive. I think that the 1:10:19.560 --> 1:10:23.720 seven point line is fairly on point when you talk 1:10:23.720 --> 1:10:25.799 about this game, at least, you know, on the surface. 1:10:25.840 --> 1:10:28.200 But yeah, ultimately the answer your question, you just want 1:10:28.240 --> 1:10:30.200 to see the young quarterback do well. You want to 1:10:30.200 --> 1:10:31.760 see him continue to act. 1:10:31.800 --> 1:10:33.800 So steps made in the right direction. And then the 1:10:33.880 --> 1:10:36.640 other analogy that we've kind of used today here is 1:10:36.680 --> 1:10:39.439 that this is really weak one all over again that 1:10:39.560 --> 1:10:41.080 you know, you know, we know there's going to be 1:10:41.160 --> 1:10:43.160 juice in the building. We know the fans are excited, 1:10:43.280 --> 1:10:45.240 we know the media is going to be anxious to see. 1:10:45.720 --> 1:10:47.719 We're all going to be anxious to see what can happen. 1:10:47.760 --> 1:10:49.880 And and we might already be putting a little bit 1:10:49.880 --> 1:10:52.280 too much on it, but look, you know the guy 1:10:52.400 --> 1:10:55.040 is is, he's an He's an excellent talent. He wouldn't 1:10:55.040 --> 1:10:57.800 be uh wouldn't have been selected where he was if 1:10:57.840 --> 1:11:00.479 he wasn't. But we need to see if that talent 1:11:00.560 --> 1:11:03.639 is justified. He needs to play. Now is the time 1:11:03.680 --> 1:11:06.920 because it certainly wasn't going to improve with the things 1:11:06.960 --> 1:11:10.320 that the way they were, regardless of the relative strength 1:11:10.439 --> 1:11:13.040 or ability of the offensive line, or the receivers to 1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:15.160 get open, or the running backs to hold onto the 1:11:15.160 --> 1:11:17.400 football or whatever it may be, we got problems in 1:11:17.439 --> 1:11:21.040 all aspects of the game. Maybe, just maybe this guy, 1:11:21.080 --> 1:11:22.800 what he can do with the football can help make 1:11:22.840 --> 1:11:24.000 the others around him better. 1:11:25.080 --> 1:11:27.880 I love the line. We're probably putting too much on this. Yeah, 1:11:28.080 --> 1:11:31.040 we're going to use this single game. We won't even 1:11:31.040 --> 1:11:32.479 wait till the end of the game. It's gonna be 1:11:32.520 --> 1:11:34.240 the first half. It's going to be a referendum on 1:11:34.280 --> 1:11:37.160 how he's going to do the rest of his career. Look, ultimately, 1:11:37.760 --> 1:11:39.320 he's either going to be on the CEO by by 1:11:39.880 --> 1:11:41.720 Sunday at four point thirty, he's either going to be 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:43.800 in the trash heap or first ballot Hall of Famer. 1:11:44.040 --> 1:11:46.639 And it's a whole lot of people. So yeah, look 1:11:47.160 --> 1:11:49.800 it's unfair. Look, but you know what, man, that's life 1:11:49.800 --> 1:11:52.760 in the big city. That's why the quarterbacks, you know, 1:11:52.840 --> 1:11:54.720 get the big money and get the covers of the 1:11:54.720 --> 1:11:57.280 magazines and get state the supermodels, you know, because they 1:11:57.280 --> 1:11:58.960 get too much of the credit, too much of the blame. 1:11:59.160 --> 1:12:02.920 So yeah, look it's all on his shoulders. There's there 1:12:03.240 --> 1:12:06.280 are problems with this team that extend beyond the quarterback, 1:12:06.360 --> 1:12:09.880 namely the offensive line and developing some consistency and continuity 1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:11.960 upfront and like at the ball security when it comes 1:12:11.960 --> 1:12:14.400 from Andre Stephenson, and you know, the depth on the 1:12:14.400 --> 1:12:16.160 defensive side of the ball. But at the end of 1:12:16.200 --> 1:12:20.640 the day, that's why the quarterback position is the you know, 1:12:20.720 --> 1:12:22.920 arguably the toughest position. And then you know in all 1:12:23.040 --> 1:12:26.160 professional sports, because so much is right as so much 1:12:26.200 --> 1:12:28.280 as is on their shoulders, you know, good or bad. 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:31.559 And if we're going to see comes Sunday one. If 1:12:31.560 --> 1:12:33.960 this young man can execute right, well. 1:12:33.840 --> 1:12:35.639 I got to bring up now the elephant in the closet, 1:12:35.720 --> 1:12:38.120 or at least the elephant in the room, because all 1:12:38.120 --> 1:12:40.200 of this, you know, hubbub over Drake May getting the 1:12:40.600 --> 1:12:43.559 call to start, has overshadowed the fact that the Patriots 1:12:43.600 --> 1:12:46.800 had an off field issue raised its ugly head over 1:12:46.800 --> 1:12:51.360 the weekend. Would you Bill Peppers charged with assault? Perhaps? 1:12:51.680 --> 1:12:53.719 I don't know, nobody will ever really know the truth, 1:12:54.240 --> 1:12:57.800 but maybe you know. Look, let's face it, that's completely 1:12:57.800 --> 1:13:02.800 been pushed aside in this entire escapade simply because everybody's 1:13:02.840 --> 1:13:06.439 excited about Drake May in the future from this point forward. Today, 1:13:06.800 --> 1:13:09.360 Darrilla has put on the Commissioner exemp list, which means 1:13:09.560 --> 1:13:12.080 the Patriots now can basically wash their hands of this deal. 1:13:12.439 --> 1:13:15.280 He can only come off the list based on Commissioner 1:13:15.320 --> 1:13:18.519 Roger Goodell's decision making. So they're going to let this 1:13:18.600 --> 1:13:20.960 process play out, and I don't think he's even due 1:13:20.960 --> 1:13:24.000 back into court until toward the end of November. What 1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:27.040 I mean, should the Patriots cut bait here? Should they 1:13:27.120 --> 1:13:29.800 let the process play out? What are your thoughts based 1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:31.679 on what we've learned through the media. 1:13:32.439 --> 1:13:36.200 Well, I'll start with this the patrio. The commissioner did 1:13:36.200 --> 1:13:40.320 the Patriots of favor here, because usually the wheels of justice, 1:13:40.680 --> 1:13:43.840 you know, move a lot slower in these instances. The 1:13:43.880 --> 1:13:48.200 Patriots before this announcement, they basically had four options. They 1:13:48.240 --> 1:13:53.240 could keep around, ask him to leave, it's to spend him, 1:13:53.320 --> 1:13:55.880 or just kind of do nothing. And the commission kind 1:13:55.880 --> 1:13:58.439 of took that decision off their hands. So basically, Jabill 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:02.040 Peppers now has you know, kind of a p leave 1:14:02.400 --> 1:14:04.880 fundamentally while they figure out what to do with them. 1:14:05.640 --> 1:14:06.800 I think it's awful tough. 1:14:07.320 --> 1:14:09.559 It really really is. Man, If a whiff of this 1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:13.880 is true, and look, as a guy who love setting 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:16.360 aside at the very serious real world implications of what's 1:14:16.400 --> 1:14:21.280 going on, Pepper's is a really talented football player. And 1:14:21.800 --> 1:14:23.559 it pains me to say this, but if a whiff 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:25.880 of this is true, they should cut they should get 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:27.519 rid of him, and they should move on from here. 1:14:27.680 --> 1:14:31.280 Because the police report. I've taken a look at the 1:14:31.280 --> 1:14:34.600 police report. It's very very serious, very serious stuff. In 1:14:34.960 --> 1:14:38.599 the past, the Patriots for the most part, have moved 1:14:38.640 --> 1:14:42.240 on from instances like this. I think that we deserve 1:14:42.360 --> 1:14:45.280 to see and kind of hear this thing play out 1:14:45.280 --> 1:14:48.680 a little bit before they know, we anyone else, the Patriots, 1:14:48.760 --> 1:14:51.960 the league makes an ultimate decision. But look, if this 1:14:52.000 --> 1:14:53.880 thing is true, they need to do the right thing. 1:14:54.439 --> 1:14:56.920 Well, he obviously, for what it's worth here, we should 1:14:56.920 --> 1:14:59.280 present both sides of the story. Says he's innocent. In 1:14:59.360 --> 1:15:03.920 his attorney says that there's video that will help vindicate him. 1:15:04.160 --> 1:15:06.120 You know, I realized that. You know, hey, that's all 1:15:06.120 --> 1:15:08.439 fine and good, but this process does need to play 1:15:08.439 --> 1:15:12.880 out quickly. Otherwise then it's if he's really innocent of 1:15:13.000 --> 1:15:15.360 some of the things that he's being accused of doing, 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:18.280 then it's it's it's gonna hurt him, it's gonna hurt 1:15:18.280 --> 1:15:20.040 the football team, it's gonna hurt a lot of people. 1:15:20.800 --> 1:15:22.120 Yeah, it's it's true. 1:15:22.160 --> 1:15:25.400 And look, I agree with you wholeheartedly there. You need 1:15:25.400 --> 1:15:28.960 to let the thing play out. You need to hear 1:15:29.080 --> 1:15:32.360 both sides. If there is indeed video evidence that needs 1:15:32.400 --> 1:15:34.800 to be shared, that needs to be kind of combed over, 1:15:35.320 --> 1:15:39.400 You need to make sure everyone does their due diligence 1:15:39.479 --> 1:15:41.920 before they come to an ultimate decision on this, because again, 1:15:42.200 --> 1:15:43.880 this is a very serious thing. This you know, we 1:15:44.160 --> 1:15:46.559 talk about football and it's great, and you know, it's 1:15:46.600 --> 1:15:49.240 the Look, this is the toy department, quite frankly, but 1:15:49.320 --> 1:15:51.880 you know, there are very serious real world implications here 1:15:52.120 --> 1:15:54.320 when you talk about the Patriots in the National Football 1:15:54.360 --> 1:15:56.520 League as a whole, So that has to be examined. 1:15:57.680 --> 1:15:59.760 But yeah, this is again I'll go back to my 1:16:00.360 --> 1:16:03.719 point is that the league did the Patriots a favor 1:16:03.800 --> 1:16:05.920 because they made the decision for them, at least in 1:16:05.960 --> 1:16:07.320 the short term in terms of what to do with 1:16:07.400 --> 1:16:08.120 ja Bill Peppers. 1:16:08.280 --> 1:16:12.160 Yeah, all right, this team defensively, even though they've lost 1:16:12.200 --> 1:16:14.559 a big chunk up the middle, you know, from Christian 1:16:14.560 --> 1:16:17.360 Barmore being out, you know, with the the clocks and 1:16:17.640 --> 1:16:21.040 Juwan Bentley out with you know, his injury, you know, 1:16:21.080 --> 1:16:24.960 and some inconsistent play let's say, maybe the exception of 1:16:25.160 --> 1:16:27.439 you know, Christian Gonzales and the secondary up the middle. 1:16:27.640 --> 1:16:28.880 It's taken a few hits. 1:16:29.520 --> 1:16:29.800 C J. 1:16:29.920 --> 1:16:32.920 Stroud has played extraordinarily well. They're gonna be without their 1:16:32.960 --> 1:16:35.599 leading receiver who just went on ir this week as well. 1:16:35.640 --> 1:16:38.360 Maybe that's a bonus, Maybe it isn't. The running game 1:16:38.479 --> 1:16:41.960 hasn't been great for Houston. They've got good numbers, but 1:16:42.160 --> 1:16:44.880 they really don't score the ball a lot. Is this 1:16:44.960 --> 1:16:48.479 a matchup that actually might help the Patriot defense out in. 1:16:48.400 --> 1:16:53.000 That regard with no Nico Collins in, no Joe mix 1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:55.759 and you know, stop me if you've heard this before. 1:16:56.080 --> 1:16:57.479 You're catching them at a good time. 1:16:57.600 --> 1:17:01.559 Yeah, trip, You know, it feels like we've said. 1:17:01.360 --> 1:17:03.320 That about a number of the Patriots opponents this here, 1:17:03.360 --> 1:17:06.280 but it really is true, you know, with no comments 1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:08.439 and expected to be no mixing in the lineup because 1:17:08.479 --> 1:17:11.519 he's still dealing with that. I believe it's a He's 1:17:11.520 --> 1:17:15.439 suffered a hip drop tackle in an opener against the Bears, 1:17:15.840 --> 1:17:17.360 and he really has. I don't think he's been on 1:17:17.400 --> 1:17:20.160 the field since then. So look, it's all going to 1:17:20.240 --> 1:17:21.800 come down on the defensive side of the ball, to 1:17:21.840 --> 1:17:23.680 being able to contain Stroud, to be able to you know, 1:17:23.760 --> 1:17:25.600 keeping him in the pockets. The Patriots have struggled with 1:17:25.720 --> 1:17:29.040 quarterback contained through their first four or five games of 1:17:29.040 --> 1:17:32.559 the year, and if Stroud is able to operate in 1:17:32.600 --> 1:17:35.160 the pocket without much of a pass rush, I think 1:17:35.160 --> 1:17:36.880 it's going to be much of the same issues here. 1:17:36.960 --> 1:17:38.880 You know, you look at it. If you can figure 1:17:38.920 --> 1:17:41.360 out a way to cut down on his time in 1:17:41.400 --> 1:17:44.800 the pocket if Keon White and Dietrich Wise and you know, 1:17:45.080 --> 1:17:47.400 the rest of that defense in front, that front seven 1:17:47.520 --> 1:17:49.559 can find a way to keep him contained and not 1:17:49.600 --> 1:17:51.479 have him ruught around back there for five six seven 1:17:51.520 --> 1:17:54.320 seconds like we saw from like Rock Purty. I think 1:17:54.360 --> 1:17:55.960 the Patriots are going to have a shot in this thing, 1:17:56.920 --> 1:17:59.800 but you just need to be able to figure out 1:17:59.800 --> 1:18:02.479 a way to slow that down. And look, honestly, you 1:18:02.520 --> 1:18:05.160 could probably take a page, you know, in an ideal world, 1:18:05.200 --> 1:18:08.040 out of the old Patriots playbook in terms of you 1:18:08.080 --> 1:18:09.840 want to slow the game down. You know you're not 1:18:09.880 --> 1:18:12.200 going to beat the Texans if this gets into the 1:18:12.320 --> 1:18:15.360 twenties and thirties, you're gonna want to put together some long, 1:18:15.400 --> 1:18:18.240 extended drives. M Andre Stevenson. That's got to touch the 1:18:18.280 --> 1:18:20.840 ball twenty plus times. You need to be able to 1:18:20.880 --> 1:18:24.160 deliver consistently on the ground because look, if you're picking 1:18:24.160 --> 1:18:26.479 your poison there with the Houston defense, you're gonna want 1:18:26.479 --> 1:18:30.320 to run out and that is the most winnable matchup 1:18:30.360 --> 1:18:33.200 if you're New England. Put together some long drives, keep CJ. 1:18:33.280 --> 1:18:35.400 Strouding that offense off the field for as long as 1:18:35.479 --> 1:18:38.320 possible and hope for some special teams magic and then 1:18:38.360 --> 1:18:39.479 you take your chances from there. 1:18:40.040 --> 1:18:42.880 The irony of the situation certainly has dawned on me 1:18:43.400 --> 1:18:46.760 that you know, Girodmeos has said all along that how 1:18:46.800 --> 1:18:51.120 they beat Cincinnati in Week one simply was not sustainable 1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:53.559 throughout the course of this season based on how this 1:18:53.600 --> 1:18:56.960 team was built. And yet it seems like the Patriots' 1:18:56.960 --> 1:19:01.080 best chance to win games is playing precisely that way. 1:19:01.160 --> 1:19:03.960 Yeah, it really is. It's about running the football. It's 1:19:03.960 --> 1:19:06.920 about being physical upfront. Look, you've talked to enough offensive 1:19:07.000 --> 1:19:09.320 linement over the course of your life to know that 1:19:09.360 --> 1:19:12.679 offensive lineman much prefer run blocking as opposed to pass blocking. 1:19:12.680 --> 1:19:13.680 Out. 1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:16.320 Yeah, that the Patriots have had their best success this 1:19:16.400 --> 1:19:19.160 year when it comes to, you know, really running the 1:19:19.160 --> 1:19:21.880 ball consistently, and so I think that plays into it. 1:19:21.960 --> 1:19:25.000 But look, if they can figure out a way to 1:19:26.560 --> 1:19:29.000 run the ball, and that kind of goes back to 1:19:29.040 --> 1:19:32.160 the Drake may stuff that like, look, you want to 1:19:32.240 --> 1:19:35.080 take some stuff off the plate of the kid, and 1:19:35.160 --> 1:19:36.920 this is a good way to do it because you're 1:19:36.960 --> 1:19:39.080 going up against the team that might have kind of 1:19:39.080 --> 1:19:41.680 a middle of the road run defense, So you're not 1:19:41.760 --> 1:19:44.080 going to ask him to throw the ball thirty five 1:19:44.160 --> 1:19:46.160 forty times this game. You're going to have run, you know, 1:19:46.200 --> 1:19:49.040 hand the ball off to Gibson and Stevenson, try to 1:19:49.080 --> 1:19:51.559 put together some steady, consistent drives and you kind of 1:19:51.600 --> 1:19:55.760 go from there. So yeah, I agree with Girodd that 1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:57.000 it's not sustainable. 1:19:57.080 --> 1:19:59.400 That being said, you know, maybe. 1:19:59.040 --> 1:20:01.680 You can sustain it for a good portion of the 1:20:01.720 --> 1:20:03.280 afternoon against the Texas this. 1:20:03.240 --> 1:20:06.880 Sunday, right. You know, Pete Brock has told me. You know, 1:20:07.000 --> 1:20:09.360 it was always much much easier and much more fun 1:20:09.400 --> 1:20:12.679 for an offensive lineman to block straight ahead, to hit 1:20:12.960 --> 1:20:16.200 rather than be hit, which is why I've never known 1:20:16.479 --> 1:20:20.599 an offensive lineman who preferred pass blocking over run blocking. 1:20:21.280 --> 1:20:24.880 Oh, I remember the conversations I had. I'm going back now, 1:20:24.880 --> 1:20:27.240 I remember. I'm getting all wistful because the conversations I 1:20:27.240 --> 1:20:32.000 would have with Logan Bankings about the joy of delivering 1:20:32.000 --> 1:20:36.120 a pancake block on an opposing defensive tackle and clearing 1:20:36.200 --> 1:20:39.639 the way for you know, like Gerrit Blunt or whoever 1:20:39.680 --> 1:20:42.920 it was behind him to run for twenty thirty forty 1:20:43.000 --> 1:20:47.400 yards at Eclipse. So yeah, you'll, you'll that's the guys 1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:50.640 in the team. Now, the same thing. They'll tell you 1:20:50.720 --> 1:20:53.519 the same thing. They love run blocking. They much prefer 1:20:53.600 --> 1:20:56.280 run blocking to pass blocking. And if you get some 1:20:56.400 --> 1:20:58.439 of that going, just a little bit of it, get 1:20:58.479 --> 1:21:01.439 some of that going Sunday techin, it's going to give. 1:21:01.280 --> 1:21:01.679 You a shot. 1:21:01.800 --> 1:21:03.720 Yeah, there might be some continuity there. This could be 1:21:03.720 --> 1:21:05.920 the second straight week and for the first time this 1:21:06.000 --> 1:21:08.439 season they'll started the same five in the offensive line. 1:21:09.040 --> 1:21:12.320 Yeah, yeah, I agree. And look, you know Nick Leverett 1:21:12.479 --> 1:21:15.360 was a mixed back. Let's be generous here. You know, 1:21:15.400 --> 1:21:18.559 it's center, but you have to win you there at guard. 1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:22.439 You know, Yeah, you feel decent about the group that 1:21:22.520 --> 1:21:24.479 you have out there. I think so much of it 1:21:24.520 --> 1:21:27.519 now is about developing that consistency in continuity, even if 1:21:27.560 --> 1:21:29.320 they're not the best five past. Look, for years and 1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:32.400 years we've seen it here in New England. It's not 1:21:32.479 --> 1:21:35.679 about the best five offensive linement about the offensive lineman 1:21:35.720 --> 1:21:38.800 who worked the best together, the five guys who like, 1:21:39.320 --> 1:21:41.120 you know, the five fingers in the hand. You know, 1:21:41.160 --> 1:21:44.080 it's just if they're all working in harmony, they're all 1:21:44.120 --> 1:21:47.160 working in unison and that's built through consistency in continuity. 1:21:47.280 --> 1:21:50.040 So maybe we're starting to see a little bit of that, 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:52.479 you know, over the course of the week, and if 1:21:52.479 --> 1:21:54.759 they can carry that over into Sunday and next Sunday, 1:21:55.200 --> 1:21:57.880 the offensive line will eventually start to get better. 1:21:58.000 --> 1:22:01.719 Yeah, Chrish, love talking man. Thanks for taking the time today. 1:22:01.720 --> 1:22:02.760 It's always appreciated. 1:22:03.600 --> 1:22:05.519 My pleasures. Je take care. We'll talk again too. 1:22:05.600 --> 1:22:08.280 But yep, see on Sunday one and only Chris Price 1:22:08.600 --> 1:22:12.400 find him on x at ce Price Globe to cover 1:22:12.439 --> 1:22:15.559 all of his stuff going on out there in the media. 1:22:15.640 --> 1:22:18.320 Eight five five Pats five hundred the toll free number 1:22:19.960 --> 1:22:24.720 podcasts at Patriots dot Com with email funny how I 1:22:24.760 --> 1:22:26.479 have to sit and remember that I've got some of 1:22:26.479 --> 1:22:28.479 those I want to share. Russell Baxter is going to 1:22:28.560 --> 1:22:33.240 hit us up on we gosh. See, that's the problem 1:22:33.320 --> 1:22:35.519 with sitting here in these chairs. I told Marine I 1:22:35.560 --> 1:22:37.479 really wanted to try sitting in these chairs for a while. 1:22:37.520 --> 1:22:39.439 And so today was the day because there's a bunch 1:22:39.439 --> 1:22:41.880 of stuff that was going on in between shows today 1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:43.560 that they had to record. So we just left the 1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:46.479 interview set up today for those that are actually listening 1:22:46.479 --> 1:22:50.400 on audio and not seeing the video, and so we're 1:22:50.439 --> 1:22:54.200 just kind of maneuvering around a little bit here. Oh, good. Look, 1:22:54.280 --> 1:22:57.479 it actually works the computer here, So I want to 1:22:57.479 --> 1:23:01.080 read a couple of emails and Russell Baxter will join 1:23:01.160 --> 1:23:06.240 us right at the top of the hour. Pat and Agawam, John, 1:23:06.400 --> 1:23:09.280 today I turned the ripe young age of forty eight. 1:23:09.600 --> 1:23:11.040 Can I get a birthday shut out? 1:23:11.600 --> 1:23:12.040 Oh? 1:23:12.240 --> 1:23:15.599 Shout out, not shutout. I'll give you a birthday shutout too. 1:23:15.840 --> 1:23:17.120 I think that would be outstanding. 1:23:18.000 --> 1:23:18.120 Uh. 1:23:18.200 --> 1:23:21.519 But Matt's currently ensconced with somebody in the studio, so 1:23:21.880 --> 1:23:24.559 I was gonna see if he had. Hey, Marine, do 1:23:24.640 --> 1:23:27.000 you have do you have a recording of Happy Birthday? 1:23:27.560 --> 1:23:31.360 I do, because we need to give Patty and Agawam 1:23:31.640 --> 1:23:35.240 a happy forty eighth birthday today. Since he's a regular 1:23:35.280 --> 1:23:39.360 on this show, he listens every time he calls every time, 1:23:40.040 --> 1:23:42.440 you know, should. 1:23:42.120 --> 1:23:42.400 We do that? 1:23:42.400 --> 1:23:47.240 Happy birthday, mister president. 1:23:50.320 --> 1:23:52.679 Who's imitation of Marilyn Monroe? 1:23:52.720 --> 1:23:52.960 Is that. 1:23:55.560 --> 1:24:00.679 Nice? Nice? Okay? Happy birthday? Birthday? Yeah, that's a exactly right. 1:24:00.960 --> 1:24:02.960 You the man, Patty, You are the man. 1:24:06.120 --> 1:24:06.720 What is this? 1:24:07.360 --> 1:24:11.000 Oh okay, somebody's sending me garbage. That's fine, that's okay. 1:24:11.760 --> 1:24:14.320 Aiden in California. John. Just when I thought I was 1:24:14.360 --> 1:24:17.679 done watching this team with Jacoby, they reel me back 1:24:17.720 --> 1:24:22.360 in in a good way. Yeah, like Michael Corleone and 1:24:23.920 --> 1:24:27.320 was that Godfather three? I think I'm done and they 1:24:27.400 --> 1:24:30.280 reeled me back. Okay, that kind of thing. Anyway, this 1:24:30.320 --> 1:24:32.000 is the obvious choice and now we get to see 1:24:32.120 --> 1:24:34.280 what this kid has made of with this move. It 1:24:34.360 --> 1:24:37.040 brings hope and excitement, and with hope, I think the 1:24:37.080 --> 1:24:40.679 Patriots win this and a thriller twenty four to twenty three. 1:24:40.760 --> 1:24:48.400 On a side note, the Boston media sucks, with an 1:24:48.439 --> 1:24:51.559 exception on a very few of a very few, it 1:24:51.640 --> 1:24:53.920 was not cool what they did to Evan. My only 1:24:53.960 --> 1:24:56.719 outlet for content is you guys. You guys are great 1:24:57.080 --> 1:24:59.760 and I will always listen. I appreciate you, aiden thank 1:24:59.760 --> 1:25:01.840 you very much. I mean with the day, this day 1:25:01.840 --> 1:25:03.519 and age and the internet, you can pick up anybody 1:25:03.600 --> 1:25:06.800 from anywhere because everybody's streaming nowadays. What we hope to 1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:11.599 provide is, yeah, we all work in this building. These 1:25:11.600 --> 1:25:15.120 guys cover this team on a full time, everyday basis, 1:25:15.320 --> 1:25:18.800 as opposed to the guys at Wei or ninety eight 1:25:18.960 --> 1:25:24.680 five or Channels four, five, seven, ten, Nessing, you know, 1:25:25.320 --> 1:25:28.559 the stations and Providence. I mean, they don't cover the Patriots. 1:25:28.560 --> 1:25:32.759 Full time. You know, guys like Evan and Paul and Deuce, 1:25:33.120 --> 1:25:38.280 they cover the team full time. And when I'm covering teams, 1:25:38.560 --> 1:25:40.960 I cover this team full time. You guys know that 1:25:41.000 --> 1:25:44.720 I basically split my seasons between football and college basketball 1:25:44.840 --> 1:25:46.559 for the better, well for all of the thirty three 1:25:46.600 --> 1:25:49.240 years that I've been with New England. But it's always 1:25:49.240 --> 1:25:51.240 been that way. You know, there's only a couple of 1:25:51.240 --> 1:25:55.320 teams that I cover, so there's a tendency to believe that, yeah, 1:25:55.360 --> 1:25:57.720 we're too close to it. There's a tendency, I think 1:25:57.760 --> 1:26:01.400 for a lot of people aiden to believe that we're 1:26:01.520 --> 1:26:06.639 touting company policy or that we're saying the things that 1:26:07.400 --> 1:26:11.679 management wants us to say. I could not be more 1:26:11.720 --> 1:26:18.040 emphatic here. That has never been the case before. And 1:26:18.120 --> 1:26:21.960 I've been hosting this particular show now since two thousand 1:26:21.960 --> 1:26:25.280 and one, so this is my twenty fourth year to 1:26:25.320 --> 1:26:29.000 host this show. And I have never been told to 1:26:29.040 --> 1:26:31.599 watch what you say. I just have to use good 1:26:31.720 --> 1:26:34.840 judgment and you know, and Evan even said as much. 1:26:34.920 --> 1:26:37.120 You know, when he was on the program earlier today 1:26:37.160 --> 1:26:39.080 if you tuned in late, he said, look, you know, 1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:42.200 I'm you know, it's emotional I was speaking offhanded. I 1:26:42.240 --> 1:26:44.880 need to preface it, preface things by saying, this is 1:26:45.040 --> 1:26:51.720 my opinion. It's an educated opinion based on his observations 1:26:52.240 --> 1:26:54.080 in the locker room and talking to the guys that 1:26:54.120 --> 1:26:57.680 he's talked to, as he talked to everybody. No, but 1:26:57.760 --> 1:26:59.800 immediately you know that got out, and he got out 1:26:59.840 --> 1:27:03.760 on social media and sometimes social media, Look, it's not 1:27:03.880 --> 1:27:06.479 your best friend. I realize this is where a lot 1:27:06.520 --> 1:27:08.400 of people go to get their news and their information, 1:27:08.479 --> 1:27:11.559 and yeah, sure, your entertainment. I understand that. That's why 1:27:11.600 --> 1:27:13.839 I do it. I do it because I get entertained 1:27:13.840 --> 1:27:16.120 by it. Sometimes I chuckle at it. But yes, I 1:27:16.160 --> 1:27:18.360 also know a lot of good people in this business, 1:27:18.360 --> 1:27:21.599 people who actually know how to cover a story, who 1:27:21.640 --> 1:27:28.000 know what journalism is as opposed to propaganda. I respect 1:27:28.040 --> 1:27:29.280 the heck out of a lot of people, and I 1:27:29.320 --> 1:27:32.240 follow them for that reason. You know, you could choose to, 1:27:32.439 --> 1:27:34.240 you know, follow a guy like me or not. It's 1:27:34.400 --> 1:27:36.599 entirely up to you think what you want to think. 1:27:36.600 --> 1:27:39.240 It's perfectly fine with me. I like to share what 1:27:39.400 --> 1:27:41.599 I know with other people. I like to have fun 1:27:41.960 --> 1:27:44.479 with what I know with other people, with fans, with 1:27:44.600 --> 1:27:46.920 other people in the media. But do I get my 1:27:47.000 --> 1:27:53.240 information from the media, Yes, But I kind of put 1:27:53.240 --> 1:27:55.920 a little bit of a cautionary tag in there, because 1:27:56.160 --> 1:28:03.120 sometimes you don't know, you can't read sarca, and sometimes 1:28:03.160 --> 1:28:05.960 things can be misconstrued in the media because there's not 1:28:06.120 --> 1:28:09.960 enough time to explain it, enough space to explain it. 1:28:10.000 --> 1:28:11.760 You can kind of do that on x now because 1:28:11.760 --> 1:28:13.640 if you go premium you can get more than one 1:28:13.680 --> 1:28:17.160 hundred and forty characters in I understand that. Well, I'm 1:28:17.160 --> 1:28:22.320 too damn cheap. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't make fun 1:28:22.360 --> 1:28:24.160 of them, but I'm just too damned cheap. I'm gonna 1:28:24.160 --> 1:28:26.519 admit it right off the bat. I mean, elon, I 1:28:26.600 --> 1:28:30.160 understand what you're doing. I appreciate that, I appreciate the avenue, 1:28:30.479 --> 1:28:33.280 but I'm too damn cheap, and I'm gonna be honest 1:28:33.280 --> 1:28:36.000 about that. So whatever I have to say, if I 1:28:36.040 --> 1:28:38.880 can't say it one hundred and forty characters, it's out 1:28:39.960 --> 1:28:43.120 real simple. Now, I'll go pay I'm gonna go pay 1:28:43.160 --> 1:28:44.920 for it. Now, don't do it. 1:28:44.960 --> 1:28:45.559 I'll make fun of you. 1:28:47.080 --> 1:28:49.120 Rain will make fun of me. Okay, well that's quite 1:28:49.200 --> 1:28:53.400 possible that could happen. You gotta make up your own mind. 1:28:53.520 --> 1:28:55.200 You gotta do your own reading, you gotta do your 1:28:55.200 --> 1:28:57.200 own research, You got to read a bunch of different people. 1:28:57.720 --> 1:28:59.760 And yeah, it was kind of unfair for a lot 1:28:59.800 --> 1:29:03.320 of people to do what they did, you know, with Evan, 1:29:03.479 --> 1:29:05.960 or do with anybody in that regard when they've got 1:29:05.960 --> 1:29:09.639 a quote unquote scoop. And yes, Evan's right when he said, 1:29:09.640 --> 1:29:12.680 I should have prefaced it by saying, in my opinion, 1:29:13.760 --> 1:29:16.719 that's all, and that would have solved basically every problem 1:29:16.720 --> 1:29:23.160 that we've had this week. But we've never been told, Nope, 1:29:23.160 --> 1:29:25.040 you can't say this, Nope, you can't do that. Nope, 1:29:25.040 --> 1:29:26.679 we don't want you to do that. Nope, we're gonna 1:29:26.720 --> 1:29:29.000 take you off the air. Nope, nope, nope, never never 1:29:29.040 --> 1:29:31.479 said that. Johnathan Craft was very clear with me when 1:29:31.479 --> 1:29:34.439 we first started this operation, you know, twenty four now 1:29:34.439 --> 1:29:37.559 twenty five years ago, and they showed twenty four years ago. 1:29:38.000 --> 1:29:40.200 You know, he knew that we needed to have the 1:29:40.240 --> 1:29:46.280 ability to use our reporting skills in order to be believed, 1:29:46.600 --> 1:29:50.920 in order to have profession to bring in professional integrity along. 1:29:51.720 --> 1:29:55.880 He knew that, mister Craft. Robert Kraft has always said, 1:29:55.920 --> 1:29:57.799 you know, no, you guys do what you need to do. 1:29:57.840 --> 1:30:01.479 Just be fair, and I think we have been. I 1:30:01.479 --> 1:30:04.200 think we have been. If we haven't, then you know what, 1:30:04.560 --> 1:30:06.880 you have the right through coming on to this show, 1:30:07.200 --> 1:30:14.400 through calling, through tweeting, through posting, through email, through whatever, 1:30:15.600 --> 1:30:18.800 to call us out on that, which is fair. It's 1:30:18.840 --> 1:30:24.080 absolutely fair. So you know we're gonna give you our best. 1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:26.519 I think we've done that. I think you know, Deuce 1:30:26.600 --> 1:30:29.080 and Evan and Paul have done it at a high 1:30:29.160 --> 1:30:30.960 level for a number of years. And a lot of 1:30:30.960 --> 1:30:33.720 the local media here in Boston they make fun of 1:30:34.120 --> 1:30:37.760 Team media because they know they like, you know, oh 1:30:37.800 --> 1:30:41.439 sure they're going to report this because they all feel like, well, 1:30:41.439 --> 1:30:44.040 the team is being told, is telling them what to say. 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:46.080 And I'm here to tell you because I've been on 1:30:46.120 --> 1:30:50.000 both sides of the fence, that's not right. It's not accurate. 1:30:51.040 --> 1:30:54.120 That's all I can say. So you know, it is 1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:55.720 what it is. I felt like I needed to say 1:30:55.720 --> 1:31:00.080 that on Evans's behalf because Evan's a good reporter, and 1:31:01.600 --> 1:31:03.800 I don't know that the Boston media sucks either. As 1:31:03.800 --> 1:31:05.840 you said, Aiden, there's some really good guys in the 1:31:05.880 --> 1:31:09.080 Boston media. We just talked to one we just talked 1:31:09.080 --> 1:31:11.600 to one at Chris Price. Okay, he's one of the 1:31:11.600 --> 1:31:13.439 true good guys in this business. He's a hell of 1:31:13.439 --> 1:31:16.320 a writer. He's a great reporter, he's a great author. 1:31:16.880 --> 1:31:18.439 You know, if you ever read his stuff, takes some 1:31:18.520 --> 1:31:20.639 time to read his stuff. He's good at it. He's thorough. 1:31:20.760 --> 1:31:24.640 He understands journalism, he gets it, and most guys in 1:31:24.680 --> 1:31:28.479 this business do. I would tell you that sometimes when 1:31:28.520 --> 1:31:31.919 you hear through talk radio, sports talk radio in particular, 1:31:32.320 --> 1:31:34.600 guys will stay stuff, will say stuff to get a 1:31:34.680 --> 1:31:38.080 rise out of you, to make a social media splash, 1:31:38.120 --> 1:31:41.439 because it's all about the quote unquote entertainment part of 1:31:41.520 --> 1:31:45.439 the business. They're in the business of entertaining. They're in 1:31:45.439 --> 1:31:50.840 the business of getting listeners and clicks and views. That's 1:31:50.840 --> 1:31:53.000 what they're in the business to do. They're in the 1:31:53.000 --> 1:31:56.280 business of attracting your attention. Guess what they did? It 1:31:56.320 --> 1:31:58.920 didn't they If you're reacting to it, they did it. 1:31:59.160 --> 1:32:03.439 So they're only doing their jobs. We're gonna try to 1:32:03.479 --> 1:32:05.800 stick the reporting. And are we perfect? Are we one 1:32:05.920 --> 1:32:10.200 hundred percent infallible? Nope, nobody is. We're all human. Okay. 1:32:10.439 --> 1:32:12.800 I've had stumbles in my career and I've been doing 1:32:12.800 --> 1:32:15.880 it for a number of years. We step back, we 1:32:16.000 --> 1:32:19.400 think about it, we issue a maya culpa if necessary, 1:32:20.000 --> 1:32:23.640 and we move on. It's real simple. Okay, speaking of 1:32:23.680 --> 1:32:25.960 moving on right now, a. 1:32:25.960 --> 1:32:28.160 Real woman could stop you from drinking. 1:32:28.760 --> 1:32:30.120 Yeah, it's a very real, big woman. 1:32:30.520 --> 1:32:33.479 It's time to go around the NFL with football guru 1:32:33.640 --> 1:32:34.439 Russell Baxter. 1:32:34.680 --> 1:32:38.000 Now on the name is Flounder. 1:32:37.880 --> 1:32:45.160 On Patriots playbook. Huh, I gotta get this button to work. 1:32:45.320 --> 1:32:47.920 Oh there it works. Good afternoon, Flounder. How are we 1:32:47.960 --> 1:32:48.880 going today? 1:32:49.080 --> 1:32:52.280 Don't flounder with that? You know, I didn't catch any 1:32:52.360 --> 1:32:55.960 of your uh what happened before? You just said what 1:32:56.000 --> 1:32:57.840 you said about the media. But I'm glad you said 1:32:57.840 --> 1:33:01.679 what you said because I'll put this questions everybody listening 1:33:01.680 --> 1:33:06.160 out there. I often here the generalization of the media. 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:10.479 Are people aware that there's more than like four or 1:33:10.479 --> 1:33:15.200 five people in the media, No, okay, there are thousands 1:33:15.520 --> 1:33:18.559 and thousands and thousands. So I mean, if you've been 1:33:18.560 --> 1:33:22.800 a stereotype and generalize and a lot of them do 1:33:22.840 --> 1:33:27.120 different things. Some are reporters, some are insiders, you are writers, 1:33:27.640 --> 1:33:32.200 Some are shock jock, some are awful shock jocks with 1:33:32.320 --> 1:33:37.280 personal vendettas and agendas. Some people say stuff just to 1:33:37.320 --> 1:33:40.360 get like you said, get a rise and get you listening. 1:33:41.520 --> 1:33:44.120 You know, for the people in my profession who like 1:33:44.240 --> 1:33:47.839 to play the shock jock game, a word of advice 1:33:48.520 --> 1:33:52.400 probably is not a source. And I've heard a lot 1:33:52.439 --> 1:33:54.080 of that over the last couple of days with the 1:33:54.160 --> 1:34:00.840 Robert Sala you know, Aaron Rodgers, Woody Johnson surprisedly and 1:34:00.920 --> 1:34:05.080 Throke Joe Namath in there at the same time. You know, 1:34:05.840 --> 1:34:08.559 they're doing exactly what they're doing. And many of these 1:34:08.600 --> 1:34:11.880 people who play the shock shock game are, for lack 1:34:11.920 --> 1:34:17.120 of better word, just flat out lazy. So don't categorize. 1:34:17.200 --> 1:34:20.439 You know, I've never met Evan, but I know him 1:34:20.479 --> 1:34:23.840 by reputation and he does a pretty solid job. I've 1:34:23.840 --> 1:34:26.880 never met Christopher Price. I've had contact with him on 1:34:26.960 --> 1:34:29.479 social media very very rarely, a couple of years ago. 1:34:30.560 --> 1:34:36.679 His reputation is pretty damn good. So don't lump everyone together. Okay, 1:34:36.880 --> 1:34:39.200 you know, just as it was spent a long time 1:34:39.240 --> 1:34:42.439 on TV, not all detergents are the same. 1:34:44.200 --> 1:34:47.559 I appreciate your saying that we've you know, you and 1:34:47.600 --> 1:34:50.640 I have seen the highs and the lows. Of that 1:34:50.720 --> 1:34:52.479 end of the business, you know, through our time years 1:34:52.479 --> 1:34:56.559 they go together at ESPN. UH and understand that, you know, Uh. 1:34:57.160 --> 1:35:00.920 For whatever reason, sometimes reportersournalists or put up on a 1:35:00.920 --> 1:35:04.000 pedestal like a lot of the athletes. And I guess 1:35:04.120 --> 1:35:06.599 we're held to a different standard. And I would answer 1:35:06.640 --> 1:35:09.599 that by saying, well, we're only held to the standard 1:35:09.680 --> 1:35:14.680 that we hold ourselves to, and we should put ourselves 1:35:14.920 --> 1:35:17.559 up on a pedestal because our job is to get 1:35:17.560 --> 1:35:23.280 the information right, not necessarily first, not necessarily the most salacious, 1:35:23.640 --> 1:35:25.880 but to get it right. And the old adage in 1:35:25.920 --> 1:35:28.680 the business is especially in this day and age of 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:32.240 social media, which can be as we know, instantaneous, and 1:35:32.280 --> 1:35:35.479 sometimes that's not for the better. But the old adage goes, 1:35:35.560 --> 1:35:41.000 I would rather be last and correct than first and 1:35:41.120 --> 1:35:44.080 wrong with a story. 1:35:44.640 --> 1:35:48.559 Beautifully put, I have a saying that I came up 1:35:48.600 --> 1:35:49.920 with you. I know I've said it to you and 1:35:49.960 --> 1:35:55.120 I'll say it again. And my Jeff Bennett, my former 1:35:55.200 --> 1:35:58.280 Pause at ESPN, told me he loved it, so I 1:35:58.320 --> 1:36:03.200 stick with it. Okay, right, Not everyone is accurate. I'm 1:36:03.240 --> 1:36:05.880 more interested in accuracy. It's true're going to go on 1:36:05.960 --> 1:36:08.280 TV tonight and tell me that Joe DiMaggio at a 1:36:08.320 --> 1:36:13.920 fifty eight game hitting streak. That's your opinion, but you're wrong, yep. Okay, 1:36:14.200 --> 1:36:17.320 So I'd rather be accurate. I'd rather take the time 1:36:17.720 --> 1:36:19.600 to double check it. And I'm not putting myself on 1:36:19.640 --> 1:36:22.760 the pedestal. That's just when you are do what I 1:36:22.840 --> 1:36:26.960 do and you're in research, it's important that the people 1:36:27.000 --> 1:36:31.200 you work with trust you. And I've been pretty trustworthy 1:36:31.760 --> 1:36:33.760 in that regard, and I think that's why I've been 1:36:33.800 --> 1:36:36.439 able to do what I've been able to do for 1:36:36.520 --> 1:36:38.280 a long time. And so on. I mean, I go 1:36:38.360 --> 1:36:40.360 back to the very first Olympics. I've been in this 1:36:40.439 --> 1:36:43.320 business for so long. 1:36:43.520 --> 1:36:47.280 Hey, what kind of a receiver would Jim Thorpe have made? 1:36:47.840 --> 1:36:50.080 I think you would have been an excellent deep threat 1:36:51.479 --> 1:36:53.519 and also very good after the. 1:36:53.479 --> 1:36:58.560 Catch, especially good after the catch. Rights. 1:36:58.800 --> 1:37:03.920 I just it calls me sometimes for the quick fix, 1:37:04.680 --> 1:37:08.000 and there's no reason for that. You know, we're not 1:37:08.040 --> 1:37:11.920 on dead liment. You know. I used to have a 1:37:12.040 --> 1:37:14.880 very good friend of mine who's also no longer that 1:37:15.240 --> 1:37:17.640 ESPN the research and Paul Kinney and I don't know 1:37:17.640 --> 1:37:20.759 if you ever crossed Pad's football when he was thereied 1:37:20.760 --> 1:37:24.920 a lot of college footballs. We would have the occasional plan. 1:37:25.040 --> 1:37:28.680 You'll get this reference spot on. We would have the 1:37:28.760 --> 1:37:34.120 occasional club. Like everybody does. Everybody does make mistakes, okay, 1:37:34.600 --> 1:37:40.200 but we would have the occasional club mistake and jump 1:37:40.240 --> 1:37:43.200 the gun on the story and so on. And I 1:37:43.200 --> 1:37:46.639 can't remember what the subject matter was, but any time 1:37:46.720 --> 1:37:49.040 that happened, I would stand up and Paul was in 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:50.920 the back of the room and I was in the 1:37:50.920 --> 1:37:52.840 front of the room, and I would just look at 1:37:52.920 --> 1:37:56.280 him and say, Dewey defeats Truman. 1:37:58.400 --> 1:38:01.040 Right, And if you don't understand that phrase, go google 1:38:01.080 --> 1:38:01.679 it right now. 1:38:02.120 --> 1:38:05.280 Yeah, and here's the funny part. Uh. There was a 1:38:05.280 --> 1:38:07.720 place in Washington my good friend kilj took me to 1:38:07.760 --> 1:38:11.320 a long time ago called the Newseum, not the museum 1:38:11.720 --> 1:38:15.080 the News. I don't. I think it's not funded anymore. 1:38:15.120 --> 1:38:19.280 The first year I went there, it was the let 1:38:19.320 --> 1:38:21.639 me see was the fortieth I think it was the 1:38:21.720 --> 1:38:25.519 fortieth anniversary the Kennedy assassination. They had to move a camera. 1:38:26.080 --> 1:38:29.960 They had all the document. It was fascinating and as 1:38:30.000 --> 1:38:33.960 I'm looking at newspapers from a whole eras century cities etc. 1:38:34.920 --> 1:38:37.000 I look around and what do you think sitting there 1:38:37.720 --> 1:38:40.679 the front page of doing the feach Truman the actual 1:38:40.680 --> 1:38:43.679 headlooking it's there. I quickly snapped a picture and sent 1:38:43.720 --> 1:38:46.960 to my friend Paul. So it is about getting it right, 1:38:49.520 --> 1:38:52.400 you know. I know this. If that story was about 1:38:52.439 --> 1:38:55.960 me or you, and it was and you were reporting, 1:38:56.000 --> 1:38:58.360 and it was about some of you were close to you, 1:38:58.439 --> 1:38:59.800 sure as ill would take the time to get it 1:39:00.000 --> 1:39:00.840 Oh yeah, oh. 1:39:00.720 --> 1:39:03.160 Yeah, without a doubt. So let me ask you the 1:39:03.160 --> 1:39:05.519 obvious question. Now, do you what are your thoughts on 1:39:05.560 --> 1:39:07.880 the Patriots getting it right by making the change to 1:39:08.280 --> 1:39:10.080 Drake May this week? Any thoughts on that? 1:39:10.680 --> 1:39:14.559 Well, I think it seemed inevitable. And you know, we 1:39:14.680 --> 1:39:17.200 are getting to that time of the season as you 1:39:17.240 --> 1:39:19.080 can as you will see this week. Some of it 1:39:19.200 --> 1:39:22.320 due to injuries, some of it due to inefficiency. You know, 1:39:22.360 --> 1:39:26.439 the Raiders are about to start aiding O'Connell after benching 1:39:26.479 --> 1:39:28.920 Gardner Minshew during the game last week, and now Connall's 1:39:28.920 --> 1:39:32.240 going to get the start. So it's about that time 1:39:32.280 --> 1:39:34.280 of the year where you've dug yourself a little bit 1:39:34.280 --> 1:39:37.000 of a hole. The Patriots, you know, a lot of 1:39:37.040 --> 1:39:39.080 hope after the beating the Bengals and haven't won the 1:39:39.120 --> 1:39:45.880 games since. And I get it, third picked in the draft. 1:39:46.160 --> 1:39:49.080 You want to see what he has. Maybe he lights 1:39:49.080 --> 1:39:52.439 his spark and you know it's a tall order. I mean, 1:39:52.439 --> 1:39:56.120 they're playing you know, division leader this week in Houston. 1:39:56.200 --> 1:39:59.760 All the Houston is very, very funny because they're four 1:40:00.000 --> 1:40:03.599 one and they've still given up more points John than 1:40:03.640 --> 1:40:07.160 they scored. Yeah this year. That's because the four wins 1:40:07.160 --> 1:40:09.280 have come by fifteen points and the one loss game 1:40:09.320 --> 1:40:13.439 by twenty seven, right, exactly, so, But I have no 1:40:13.479 --> 1:40:16.479 problem with the move whatsoever. Obviously, the offensive line has 1:40:16.479 --> 1:40:19.639 been a concern and you know, maybe Drake may is, 1:40:20.000 --> 1:40:23.519 you know, on his heels this week running around, But 1:40:23.600 --> 1:40:26.679 this is not and this is a good Houston team, 1:40:26.720 --> 1:40:29.280 but it's not overpowering Euston team. We've been seen a 1:40:29.320 --> 1:40:33.400 lot of overpowering teams so far early in the season. 1:40:33.479 --> 1:40:36.439 I don't think anybody's overpowering Russell. And that includes Kansas 1:40:36.479 --> 1:40:38.960 City at five and zero. Kansas City's won every game 1:40:38.960 --> 1:40:42.639 but the last one by one one score. So no, 1:40:42.760 --> 1:40:45.160 I don't think there's overpowering at all. This is how 1:40:45.160 --> 1:40:47.720 the NFL wants it to be. They want parody like this, 1:40:47.800 --> 1:40:50.720 and guess what they've got it. My biggest problem is 1:40:50.960 --> 1:40:54.080 some of this p r it y can turn into 1:40:54.120 --> 1:40:57.439 p r o D. Why if we're not careful with 1:40:57.479 --> 1:40:58.680 this sport. 1:40:58.960 --> 1:41:02.320 Well, there's no question about it, okay, And that's why 1:41:02.360 --> 1:41:05.360 we see what we see turnarounds. We see the last 1:41:05.360 --> 1:41:08.040 place teams wind up in the playoffs. You know, the 1:41:08.120 --> 1:41:10.880 Eagles were a last played team in twenty sixteen. In 1:41:10.880 --> 1:41:14.280 twenty seventeen, they warned the whole damn thing. You know, 1:41:14.720 --> 1:41:16.880 the year before last year was the Browns and the 1:41:16.920 --> 1:41:19.160 Texans who went from last place. 1:41:18.960 --> 1:41:19.839 To playoff spots. 1:41:19.840 --> 1:41:22.519 I think the year before that for the last for 1:41:22.760 --> 1:41:25.880 the eight last place teams all made the playoffs, and 1:41:26.120 --> 1:41:28.000 I want to say three of them one playoff game. 1:41:28.960 --> 1:41:32.400 So it is crazy. That's why what New England did 1:41:32.479 --> 1:41:34.880 for so long and what Kansas City's doing now is 1:41:34.920 --> 1:41:38.040 more an anomaly than anything else. And you can cite 1:41:38.080 --> 1:41:41.720 the reasons, and I would hope right now, and even 1:41:41.760 --> 1:41:45.960 to a point last year, you know, Kansas City's been 1:41:46.000 --> 1:41:49.639 a better team defensively than they've been offensively for probably 1:41:49.680 --> 1:41:51.720 like a year and a half, to be honest with you, 1:41:51.800 --> 1:41:55.840 And it's not just if Mahomes does not. But that's okay. 1:41:55.960 --> 1:41:59.640 We saw several versions of the Chiefs with the Patriots. 1:42:00.040 --> 1:42:02.640 The Patriots, wo are winning their three Super Bowls in 1:42:02.720 --> 1:42:07.040 four years, they were more defensively and special teams orient. 1:42:07.720 --> 1:42:10.439 I've said it to Young four hundred times. The two 1:42:10.439 --> 1:42:14.160 thousand and one Patriots scored three offensive touchdowns and three 1:42:14.320 --> 1:42:17.240 defensive slash specialty touchdowns in the playoffs and won a 1:42:17.280 --> 1:42:21.719 super Bowl. Okay. Then Tom Brady throws with five hundred 1:42:21.720 --> 1:42:23.799 and five yards in the Super Bowl and they lose. Yeah, 1:42:23.920 --> 1:42:27.519 so take your pick. There's a lot of the beauty 1:42:27.520 --> 1:42:30.840 of football is there's so many different ways to win. 1:42:31.640 --> 1:42:34.400 You know, you could score on offense and defense and 1:42:34.479 --> 1:42:38.479 special teams. You don't have that fucturing necessary necessarily another 1:42:38.560 --> 1:42:43.960 sports and so on. Okay, So, and a good coach 1:42:44.320 --> 1:42:47.120 plays to his strength, and like I said, we're seeing 1:42:47.120 --> 1:42:50.639 that right now with the Chiefs, who will relying more 1:42:50.720 --> 1:42:54.960 with Steve Spagnolo than an offense that you know. Now, 1:42:55.080 --> 1:42:57.000 they ring it at four hundred and sixty yards the 1:42:57.000 --> 1:43:00.200 other night against the Wall Looms, but they only we're 1:43:00.240 --> 1:43:03.000 twenty six points only, I mean, but that was enough 1:43:03.040 --> 1:43:06.200 because of what they're doing on the defensive side of 1:43:06.200 --> 1:43:07.800 the ball. I hope we get to this. I have 1:43:07.920 --> 1:43:12.760 something very it's I'm not projecting, but there's something very 1:43:12.800 --> 1:43:16.679 interesting about the Chiefs and the Vikings. Okay, the loan 1:43:16.760 --> 1:43:19.000 to five no teams, all right, I want to say, 1:43:19.479 --> 1:43:20.120 all right, Well. 1:43:20.040 --> 1:43:22.160 I was just going to say that the Chiefs, you know, 1:43:22.280 --> 1:43:24.240 and the Vikings are two of the four teams that 1:43:24.280 --> 1:43:26.519 you know lead us off with buys this week, you know, 1:43:26.840 --> 1:43:29.120 but they're two five and no teams going into their 1:43:29.320 --> 1:43:32.280 weeks off. What's so special about those two you wanted 1:43:32.320 --> 1:43:32.840 to point out? 1:43:33.320 --> 1:43:36.200 Now, I just went again, this is not a prediction, 1:43:36.600 --> 1:43:38.760 this is an it Okay, but I just find this 1:43:38.760 --> 1:43:42.160 would be funny. Let's say the Chiefs and the Vikings 1:43:42.200 --> 1:43:46.400 both finished with the best record in their respective conferences. 1:43:46.479 --> 1:43:50.200 In other words, they are the number one seeds. Okay, 1:43:50.479 --> 1:43:53.400 m hmm. Then let's say the Chiefs and the Vikings 1:43:53.400 --> 1:43:58.840 actually play in the Super Bowl. Okay. That means that 1:43:59.000 --> 1:44:02.760 during the regular season, both the Vikings and Chiefs would 1:44:02.760 --> 1:44:05.839 have been off the same week. In the regular season, 1:44:06.600 --> 1:44:10.040 they would both be off the first week of the playoffs, 1:44:10.720 --> 1:44:13.519 and they would both have a buy before the super Bowl. 1:44:14.120 --> 1:44:16.360 Which would be nuts. I don't think that's ever happened before, 1:44:16.400 --> 1:44:16.680 has it? 1:44:17.040 --> 1:44:19.439 I can't think of it. If the closest goofy thing 1:44:19.520 --> 1:44:23.639 I can ever remember happening like that, and off the top, 1:44:23.680 --> 1:44:26.639 I had, and I hope I'm right. When the Raiders 1:44:26.680 --> 1:44:28.680 and the Eagles played each other in Super Bowl in 1:44:28.960 --> 1:44:32.479 nineteen eighty seasons, the Raiders wildcard teams, you remember, Jim Plunkin, 1:44:32.600 --> 1:44:32.880 I know you. 1:44:33.320 --> 1:44:34.840 I know that story very very well. 1:44:35.640 --> 1:44:39.040 If I remember correctly, and maybe I'm wrong, they played 1:44:39.080 --> 1:44:42.320 each other in the preseason, the regular season and the 1:44:42.360 --> 1:44:42.920 Super Bowl. 1:44:43.160 --> 1:44:43.599 Wow. 1:44:44.640 --> 1:44:47.880 Crazy, somebody, somebody can You can google it, you can 1:44:47.960 --> 1:44:51.519 Yahoo it, you can doing that one right off the top, 1:44:51.520 --> 1:44:53.400 by have, But for some reason that stands. 1:44:53.120 --> 1:44:56.040 Out right certainly does other teams by the way that 1:44:56.040 --> 1:44:58.320 I have the week off this week, Rams and the Dolphins, 1:44:59.280 --> 1:45:02.440 and then as far as the AFC East is concerned, 1:45:03.000 --> 1:45:06.840 the Bills are playing at the Jets on Monday Night Football, 1:45:06.920 --> 1:45:11.080 and of course the Jets made a strange let me 1:45:11.120 --> 1:45:16.240 just say the word strange. It's a strange in season 1:45:16.400 --> 1:45:19.400 move or not even at the halfway point, the Patriots 1:45:19.400 --> 1:45:22.960 are two weeks away from two weeks hints from getting 1:45:23.000 --> 1:45:25.160 thumped by the New York Jets, and yet they fire 1:45:25.600 --> 1:45:30.360 Robert Salah this week. So number one, that doesn't happen often. 1:45:30.400 --> 1:45:33.240 I'm sure you can provide some perspective on that. But 1:45:33.360 --> 1:45:36.759 number two, I mean, can teams who make mid season 1:45:36.840 --> 1:45:41.680 firings recoup enough to where they can finish the year respectively? 1:45:41.920 --> 1:45:44.320 And I don't know, as it has it happened early 1:45:44.400 --> 1:45:47.040 enough for them to try to gather things, gather themselves 1:45:47.040 --> 1:45:48.599 together and make something out of this year. 1:45:49.360 --> 1:45:53.000 Well, usually when this happens, there's something besides what's going 1:45:53.040 --> 1:45:57.160 on on the field. Now that you remember, three years ago, 1:45:57.240 --> 1:46:03.320 John Grutin resigned the Raiders jobs for you know, those circumstances. 1:46:03.320 --> 1:46:06.000 We don't have to get into details, and they promoted 1:46:06.479 --> 1:46:12.320 the special team coach Rich Psakia and they made the playoffs, 1:46:12.800 --> 1:46:16.040 so you know, making the move when you make the move. 1:46:16.080 --> 1:46:18.960 I can't remember. It was probably about a decade ago 1:46:18.960 --> 1:46:21.559 where we saw a whole bunch of early mid season 1:46:21.640 --> 1:46:23.680 firings where we hadn't seen all that, and I'd have 1:46:23.760 --> 1:46:26.080 to go back and do the research to see how 1:46:26.120 --> 1:46:31.599 those teams spared. Sometimes it seems like it happens more 1:46:31.640 --> 1:46:36.280 successfully in other sports than it does. The National Football League. 1:46:37.040 --> 1:46:40.000 Speaking in nineteen eighty in Philadelphia right off the top 1:46:40.000 --> 1:46:43.600 of you know, I'm not decorated at baseball, but I 1:46:43.640 --> 1:46:47.840 remember the Phillies firing their manager and hiring a guy 1:46:47.920 --> 1:46:52.479 named Dallas Green. In nineteen eighty they went on the 1:46:52.479 --> 1:46:53.800 won the World Series. 1:46:53.560 --> 1:46:54.800 I believe, Yeah, I remember that. 1:46:54.960 --> 1:46:59.479 Yeah, yeah, So I mean again, I don't it stands 1:46:59.479 --> 1:47:03.240 out to maybe because it is highly unusual for success. 1:47:03.240 --> 1:47:07.360 But again, yeah, I can remember one year with the Chargers, 1:47:07.400 --> 1:47:10.639 and I'll think they were successful. That they went through 1:47:10.640 --> 1:47:13.519 a season with Kevin gilbrid and then six weeks into 1:47:14.200 --> 1:47:16.200 the next season he was gone. He left at like 1:47:16.240 --> 1:47:18.439 twenty two games, and you know, they was talked of, 1:47:19.280 --> 1:47:21.840 you know, him not being the right man for the job, 1:47:21.880 --> 1:47:23.400 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And now, of course 1:47:23.520 --> 1:47:25.599 Kevin wh I think, But we went on and joined 1:47:25.600 --> 1:47:27.280 the New York Giants staff, and I think he won 1:47:27.360 --> 1:47:30.560 a couple of Super Bowl rings marked with the Giants. 1:47:30.600 --> 1:47:34.760 So you know, it's Robert Sala's been there for a bit. 1:47:35.960 --> 1:47:38.479 You know, he joined the franchise. Let's not forget because 1:47:38.479 --> 1:47:41.200 I know we focus on uh, you know, maybe what's 1:47:41.200 --> 1:47:44.840 going on there now and all that, but you know, 1:47:45.320 --> 1:47:48.400 you kind of got to look at what's happened within 1:47:48.439 --> 1:47:52.200 the organization going back a few years. The Jets have 1:47:52.320 --> 1:47:56.760 the longest current playoff trout in league. Okay, they haven't 1:47:56.800 --> 1:47:59.360 been through the playoffs since twenty ten? Do you know 1:47:59.400 --> 1:48:02.280 how long? Who that was? That was the year Aaron 1:48:02.360 --> 1:48:06.040 Rodgers and the Packers won the Super Bowl. They've made 1:48:06.080 --> 1:48:10.240 the AFC Championship Game. The Packers almost face the Jets 1:48:10.280 --> 1:48:13.400 in Super Bowl forty five. Okay, same thing with Denver, 1:48:13.600 --> 1:48:17.920 you know, Russell Wilson, Miss Sean Payton, Vince Denver hasn't 1:48:17.960 --> 1:48:20.000 been to a playoff game since they won Super Bowl 1:48:20.000 --> 1:48:24.320 fifty Okay, then a nine and seven season in twenty sixteen. 1:48:24.360 --> 1:48:27.360 They've had nothing but losing stays contents. So is that 1:48:27.400 --> 1:48:30.360 only won man or is that going home? The continuous change, 1:48:30.400 --> 1:48:35.800 the lack of continuity, et cetera, et cetera. So you know, 1:48:36.000 --> 1:48:38.839 it's it's you have to look at the big picture 1:48:39.600 --> 1:48:43.960 in terms of why a team continues to strow. How 1:48:43.960 --> 1:48:46.320 many years did we see the Browns go through? The 1:48:46.360 --> 1:48:50.280 Browns are going through more quarterbacks than either from potato chips. Okay, 1:48:50.800 --> 1:48:54.000 head coaches, general and managers. Now they've made the playoffs 1:48:54.000 --> 1:48:57.800 two of the last four years. Kevin Stefanski's won Coach 1:48:57.800 --> 1:49:00.240 of the Year two the last four years. But at 1:49:00.320 --> 1:49:02.679 least there's some continuity there. Now. They went through five 1:49:02.800 --> 1:49:07.240 different starting quarterbacks last year. Yeah, because of injuries for 1:49:07.320 --> 1:49:11.080 the most part. And uh, you know, and Joe Flacco 1:49:11.000 --> 1:49:13.200 wound up winning the NFL Comeback Player of the Year. 1:49:13.240 --> 1:49:15.240 I guess, Joe Flacco, maybe you should have been left 1:49:15.280 --> 1:49:20.320 because even though the Colts last week he was gangbusters. 1:49:20.640 --> 1:49:23.280 I know, that's the one guy. That's the one guy 1:49:23.280 --> 1:49:25.639 who if you're talking about bridge quarterbacks. And we mentioned 1:49:25.680 --> 1:49:27.559 this earlier in the show today, I mean, I know 1:49:27.640 --> 1:49:30.080 Jacoby Brissette was brought in as a quote unquote bridge 1:49:30.120 --> 1:49:32.640 here to Drake May. But shoot, it looks to me 1:49:32.720 --> 1:49:34.479 like Flaco. That's the kind of guy you should have 1:49:34.479 --> 1:49:36.960 brought in. He slowly looked like he can still wing it. 1:49:38.240 --> 1:49:42.920 Oh well, that was always Blacosse. That was the fee 1:49:43.040 --> 1:49:46.000 for flacos that far. Yeah, you know, and you go 1:49:46.080 --> 1:49:48.040 back to the year that the Ravens won the Super Bowl, 1:49:48.040 --> 1:49:51.080 when the people were the nine ers and uh, you 1:49:51.080 --> 1:49:56.920 know the long past was the Jacobe Jones in Denver 1:49:58.000 --> 1:50:00.599 Lately game they waned up beat the Broncos and uh 1:50:00.680 --> 1:50:04.320 in overtime in the divisional round. Eventually he beat the 1:50:04.360 --> 1:50:06.519 Patriots that year in the as the title game, and 1:50:06.560 --> 1:50:10.320 then of course the Brothers the Super Bowl and uh, 1:50:10.720 --> 1:50:12.519 you know the like the like. Well the lights went 1:50:12.560 --> 1:50:17.760 out in Louisiana not Georgia. Yeah, but you know you 1:50:18.080 --> 1:50:20.799 sold the results and Flacco I think they made eleven 1:50:20.840 --> 1:50:24.080 touchdown passes and and no picks and the playoff game, 1:50:24.240 --> 1:50:27.439 so you know, he's he's had his moment. You know 1:50:27.520 --> 1:50:31.080 this with strong quarterbacks like that Brett Fars and so on, 1:50:31.280 --> 1:50:34.640 that you know their numbers, crew numbers. Even though there 1:50:34.640 --> 1:50:36.800 are whole a lot of touchdown passes, sometimes they also 1:50:37.400 --> 1:50:39.439 try to squeeze that ball in a lot of places 1:50:39.439 --> 1:50:43.280 and the other players couldn't, which is why their interception. 1:50:43.400 --> 1:50:45.840 So it was are the same. But you know, Laco 1:50:45.880 --> 1:50:47.760 wound up even for lack of a better, really kind 1:50:47.760 --> 1:50:50.559 of got phase to help in Baltimore when they drafted 1:50:50.560 --> 1:50:52.840 with Moore Jackson, he was with the Jets, he was 1:50:52.840 --> 1:50:57.479 with the Broncos. Why did he put the Browns iron 1:50:57.560 --> 1:51:00.000 You know it's ironic. Remember when the Browns came back 1:51:00.080 --> 1:51:06.000 Tippo League in nineteen ninety nine. Remember their first overall 1:51:06.040 --> 1:51:10.040 pick was Tim Couch. Yes, right here, they got Joe 1:51:10.040 --> 1:51:11.240 Flacco off the couch. 1:51:11.400 --> 1:51:16.320 Yeah, yes they did, Yes, they did. I hate how much? 1:51:17.080 --> 1:51:21.240 How much did Houston last week expose the Buffalo Bills 1:51:21.400 --> 1:51:24.080 or I'm just curious was that more? Was that more 1:51:24.120 --> 1:51:28.040 Buffalo losing or was it really Houston winning that game 1:51:28.160 --> 1:51:28.719 last week? 1:51:29.240 --> 1:51:31.559 Well, Houston did it best to try to give it away. 1:51:31.560 --> 1:51:33.360 I remember they were have twenty to three in third 1:51:33.439 --> 1:51:36.080 quarter and then all of a sudden, it's twenty twenty. 1:51:36.120 --> 1:51:39.200 That's what I say with Houston. Houston is wanted share 1:51:39.240 --> 1:51:40.920 of mail by this this year. And then you know 1:51:40.960 --> 1:51:44.040 they went into Minnesota and got Pancakes thirty thirty four 1:51:44.080 --> 1:51:48.800 to seven. Know what's interesting? They again this is either 1:51:48.840 --> 1:51:52.759 the knee jerk reactions of getting off to a good start. 1:51:53.200 --> 1:51:55.439 Do you remember when Pittsburgh was three and oh, now 1:51:55.479 --> 1:51:56.200 they're three and two. 1:51:56.520 --> 1:51:56.760 Yeah? 1:51:57.400 --> 1:51:58.920 Remember when Seattle was three. 1:51:58.720 --> 1:52:01.400 And oh now they're three and two. Yeah. 1:52:01.600 --> 1:52:04.360 Remember when Buffalo was three and n three and two. 1:52:05.120 --> 1:52:05.800 Yeah. 1:52:05.920 --> 1:52:07.960 By the way, you remember when Baltimore was zero and two. 1:52:08.439 --> 1:52:09.240 There're three and two. 1:52:10.080 --> 1:52:12.479 Well, and that one doesn't come as a surprise, to 1:52:12.520 --> 1:52:15.160 be honest with you, although I do love Baltimore getting 1:52:15.160 --> 1:52:18.120 a test at home this week against those surprising Washington 1:52:18.120 --> 1:52:20.080 commanders at four and one. 1:52:20.360 --> 1:52:25.759 Oh, Listen, I don't know what the over under is, okay, 1:52:26.240 --> 1:52:29.840 and I would I would be tenuous because I'm sure 1:52:29.840 --> 1:52:31.280 people are gonna jump all over it. 1:52:31.520 --> 1:52:34.519 Over under over under is fifty one and a half? 1:52:35.880 --> 1:52:38.439 Is that for one team in both right? 1:52:38.960 --> 1:52:40.599 I think I'd still had to I'd have to look 1:52:40.600 --> 1:52:42.120 at the over on that one. Sure if I were 1:52:42.120 --> 1:52:43.000 a betting man. 1:52:43.400 --> 1:52:45.839 Well, Washington is the highest scoring team in the league. 1:52:46.040 --> 1:52:47.880 Yeah, Baltimore and the second. Yeah. 1:52:48.120 --> 1:52:51.320 So now were the one thing we've seen with the 1:52:51.400 --> 1:52:54.800 Ravens who have bounced back nicely, Derrick Henry, who's got 1:52:55.960 --> 1:52:57.960 a touchdown and every game he's played this year, by 1:52:58.000 --> 1:53:00.720 the way, I'm glad. I'm glad the Titans thought he 1:53:00.800 --> 1:53:06.280 was slowing down their defense leaves a lot. I mean 1:53:06.800 --> 1:53:09.519 Joe Flacker, I mean Joe Burrow had his way with 1:53:09.600 --> 1:53:14.120 him last week. Patrick Mahomes early in the year, even 1:53:14.200 --> 1:53:17.760 Dallas with to comeback, and so on, so you know, 1:53:18.280 --> 1:53:21.360 the Raiders coming back with Gardner Minshew in Baltimore to 1:53:21.400 --> 1:53:27.400 beat them in overtime. So that combination of defense Washington's defense, 1:53:27.439 --> 1:53:29.519 I think we're not sure of, but you know we 1:53:29.560 --> 1:53:32.479 saw them lose Week one, thirty seven twenty. By the way, 1:53:32.560 --> 1:53:35.120 Washington's already won as many games this year as they 1:53:35.120 --> 1:53:37.759 did all of last year. That should tell you something 1:53:38.080 --> 1:53:41.840 about a last Page team. John. They lost their last 1:53:41.840 --> 1:53:44.599 big games last year, and this year they won their 1:53:44.680 --> 1:53:49.920 last four days, so that immediately turn around. Now last 1:53:50.160 --> 1:53:53.439 I'm not sure I know one thing. They do have 1:53:54.160 --> 1:53:56.840 a divisional win this year, and I say that for 1:53:56.880 --> 1:54:00.720 this reason. They were one of two teams in the 1:54:00.800 --> 1:54:05.800 league last year who were winless within their division. So 1:54:05.880 --> 1:54:07.720 they're already one to know, you know who the other 1:54:07.760 --> 1:54:14.519 one was. Who are two the division after going and 1:54:14.600 --> 1:54:15.920 six in the division last year? 1:54:16.200 --> 1:54:18.920 How about that? That's good? Hey. The other game I 1:54:18.960 --> 1:54:21.559 wanted to to kind of point out here is uh 1:54:22.000 --> 1:54:24.639 and I think this could be a dynamite game as well. 1:54:24.880 --> 1:54:28.439 The two traditional you know Thanksgiving Day teams, even though 1:54:28.439 --> 1:54:31.120 they don't necessarily play each other, Detroit playing at Dallas. 1:54:31.600 --> 1:54:33.880 You know, Cowboys are playing at home, and they're oh 1:54:33.960 --> 1:54:36.440 and two out of their three and two. They're oh 1:54:36.520 --> 1:54:39.880 and two at home. Detroit is three and one going in, 1:54:41.280 --> 1:54:43.000 but they're undefeated. We they only one to know what. 1:54:43.080 --> 1:54:47.120 They've won their one road game. And I've I've liked Detroit. 1:54:47.200 --> 1:54:50.280 Detroit's been my sleeper all year. I think Detroit. Actually 1:54:50.360 --> 1:54:53.160 I'm and I'm if I'm rooting for anybody, I'm rooting 1:54:53.160 --> 1:54:55.200 for Detroit to make the super Bowl because they've never 1:54:55.240 --> 1:54:59.040 been there. And I'm wondering if the Cowboys, if they 1:54:59.080 --> 1:55:01.400 continue to stumble. I mean, I know, we heard Bill 1:55:01.400 --> 1:55:04.200 Belichick's name mentioned this week immediately as soon as the 1:55:04.280 --> 1:55:06.960 Jets you know, had an opening, And frankly, I'd be 1:55:07.080 --> 1:55:09.440 shocked if he went to New York just because of 1:55:09.480 --> 1:55:12.240 the history between you know, him and Bill Parcells on 1:55:12.280 --> 1:55:14.920 the Jets and everything else that happened over twenty years ago. 1:55:15.280 --> 1:55:17.240 But I wondered the Cowboys don't become more of a 1:55:17.280 --> 1:55:20.520 factor in this regard if they lose at home again. 1:55:21.640 --> 1:55:23.880 Well, let's go back to the playoffs last year, John, 1:55:24.040 --> 1:55:27.560 they also lost that playoff game, yep, but to the Packers. 1:55:27.680 --> 1:55:27.760 Ye. 1:55:28.240 --> 1:55:32.480 John. In their last three home games, the Dallas Cowboys 1:55:32.480 --> 1:55:36.480 had given up one hundred and twenty points. Wow, now 1:55:36.560 --> 1:55:37.920 let me see if I can do that with all 1:55:37.960 --> 1:55:42.960 my fingers at that's forty points game. But on the road, 1:55:45.600 --> 1:55:50.800 the Linus will still some points. And their defense, you know, 1:55:50.840 --> 1:55:54.640 it was kind of better last year, but not really. 1:55:54.680 --> 1:55:57.920 We saw Seattle almost come back on them this year. 1:55:58.480 --> 1:56:01.800 So I think they're better, better team than they were 1:56:02.400 --> 1:56:05.200 last season. But they certainly have their their question with 1:56:05.320 --> 1:56:07.320 on defense. Now I'm going to go and make a 1:56:07.400 --> 1:56:10.960 reference to the game last year. You're the craziness of 1:56:11.200 --> 1:56:15.680 the Dan Campbell and how he handled, you know, going 1:56:15.720 --> 1:56:17.680 for the win last year. I'm going to make the 1:56:17.760 --> 1:56:21.520 prediction that even if the Lions don't score a touchdown 1:56:21.560 --> 1:56:25.400 on Sunday, that Dan Campbell was going to go for 1:56:25.440 --> 1:56:28.120 a two point conversion on every poem. 1:56:30.280 --> 1:56:32.320 There's a part of me that actually thinks that's fun, 1:56:32.800 --> 1:56:35.400 you know. Yeah, Although although if I'm a Lions fan, 1:56:35.760 --> 1:56:38.640 I'm probably screaming at the TV but or at the 1:56:38.640 --> 1:56:41.320 stadium or wherever I am. But I kind of like 1:56:41.400 --> 1:56:43.360 the swashbuckling, you know, right. 1:56:43.480 --> 1:56:45.240 I think the thing about it that was a little 1:56:45.320 --> 1:56:49.200 nutty was, you know, they would get the conversion then 1:56:49.200 --> 1:56:51.760 there'd be a penalty, and kept on getting pushed back 1:56:52.240 --> 1:56:56.320 and pushed back, and then he was insistent on you know, listen, 1:56:56.560 --> 1:57:00.720 we see teams go for a pat there's a penalty, 1:57:00.920 --> 1:57:03.000 the ball gets moved up to the one yard line, 1:57:03.040 --> 1:57:06.360 and then teams go for the two. Okay, this was 1:57:06.400 --> 1:57:09.600 an instance where they pull off the two. There's a penalty, 1:57:09.680 --> 1:57:13.280 the ball goes backwards, and he's still insistent, ongoing on 1:57:13.400 --> 1:57:16.480 the two for the two. So I also know that 1:57:16.600 --> 1:57:20.000 d d Lamb ran around at the toy secondary last 1:57:20.080 --> 1:57:23.600 year in that game almost it will, so I mean, 1:57:23.880 --> 1:57:27.800 that's that's Dax Dye in Saussets. It's a very pivotal 1:57:27.880 --> 1:57:33.879 game for the Cowboys because and anyway in the NCAS, 1:57:34.000 --> 1:57:38.360 because you have a team now with Washington that obviously 1:57:38.480 --> 1:57:41.680 was a surprise last year. I mean, it has been 1:57:41.680 --> 1:57:44.400 a surprise so far this year. And you know, I'm 1:57:44.440 --> 1:57:48.000 not saying the other teams discounted them, but they're off too. 1:57:49.480 --> 1:57:51.600 They're off to what I call when I wrote abound 1:57:51.600 --> 1:57:54.920 this week is startling to start. Okay, I mean, keep 1:57:54.960 --> 1:57:58.000 in mind Philadelphia didn't play last week and lost ground 1:57:58.080 --> 1:58:01.600 into division. Because every every team in the NFC East 1:58:01.600 --> 1:58:05.040 one last week, Dabas one on the road, the Chinas 1:58:05.080 --> 1:58:08.120 win on the road. The Giants could be looking at 1:58:08.120 --> 1:58:11.320 three at three and three when they host the angles 1:58:11.400 --> 1:58:14.560 Ondon night. So, you know, you look around this league 1:58:14.880 --> 1:58:16.880 and when you have somebody you know, like the Bears 1:58:16.880 --> 1:58:19.920 were the last place team last year. Every team in 1:58:19.960 --> 1:58:24.080 the NFC North is about five hundred. So that's that's 1:58:24.120 --> 1:58:26.360 the danger of looking at the schedule in May and 1:58:26.400 --> 1:58:27.280 trying to pick games. 1:58:27.280 --> 1:58:29.320 Trying to pick games, yeah through out the season. 1:58:30.080 --> 1:58:32.160 You know when people in our business can't hit week 1:58:32.200 --> 1:58:33.400 to week, right, No. 1:58:33.880 --> 1:58:35.960 Believe me, I know that one as well. All right, 1:58:35.960 --> 1:58:38.960 one final one for you here, Russell as we got 1:58:39.000 --> 1:58:40.920 just a couple of minutes left here. But I'm just 1:58:40.960 --> 1:58:43.640 kind of curious your perspective on rookie quarterbacks when they 1:58:43.680 --> 1:58:48.000 get their first starts in the league, especially if it 1:58:48.040 --> 1:58:49.520 comes in the season. I don't know if we can 1:58:49.560 --> 1:58:53.040 actually break it down that succinctly, but what's your overall 1:58:53.080 --> 1:58:56.840 impression of, you know, how they do, and whether or 1:58:56.880 --> 1:59:00.400 not it's actually more beneficial for them to take their 1:59:00.480 --> 1:59:04.240 lumps as opposed to having early success in their careers. 1:59:05.360 --> 1:59:08.880 Well, I think it all depends on circumstances. You know. 1:59:08.960 --> 1:59:10.600 Right off the top of my head, I think about 1:59:10.640 --> 1:59:15.120 Ben Roethlisberger who got forced into a game against the 1:59:15.240 --> 1:59:17.640 Ravens after Tommy Max got hurt. Now it was just 1:59:17.640 --> 1:59:22.480 twenty years ago. Tom Brady wasn't a rookie when he 1:59:22.520 --> 1:59:25.840 came in the game against the Jets. Yeah, okay, but 1:59:26.000 --> 1:59:28.840 I mean he had not started a game. I think 1:59:28.880 --> 1:59:31.320 the most important thing you can do as a rookie quarterback, 1:59:31.360 --> 1:59:33.880 and to a degree of rookie in general, it's the 1:59:33.960 --> 1:59:37.000 old Dan reeves never to let them see a sweat, 1:59:37.640 --> 1:59:39.600 and if you can fool them into thinking, you know, 1:59:39.680 --> 1:59:42.240 what the hell you're doing, I think that's half the 1:59:42.280 --> 1:59:44.680 battle if you go in there. That's one of the 1:59:44.720 --> 1:59:49.320 things I look at during the Priests season. It's not stats, 1:59:49.600 --> 1:59:53.560 it's comfort level for somebody who's showing up and playing 1:59:53.680 --> 1:59:57.080 in professional football, which you find, of course, you find 1:59:57.120 --> 2:00:00.400 the difference between preseason irregular season very very rare rapidly. 2:00:00.800 --> 2:00:03.680 But if you can go in there and you know 2:00:03.720 --> 2:00:07.840 you your teammates feel like you're one of the guys, 2:00:07.880 --> 2:00:09.840 and then we have to walk you through and so on, 2:00:10.240 --> 2:00:12.400 I think that's half the battle. That Drake may does 2:00:12.520 --> 2:00:16.760 have a smattering of regular season experience. I know he 2:00:16.840 --> 2:00:19.680 played uh in the preseason. I think I think it 2:00:19.880 --> 2:00:24.000 helps that they're that they're playing at home, you know, 2:00:24.080 --> 2:00:26.640 and and I think they got to let him be 2:00:26.840 --> 2:00:29.000 him now. I'm not saying that they want him throwing 2:00:29.000 --> 2:00:31.600 the ball fifty times and so on, but he's gonna 2:00:31.640 --> 2:00:33.480 have to be on his feet. We obviously know the 2:00:33.520 --> 2:00:36.360 issues of the offensive line, but I will say this 2:00:36.440 --> 2:00:39.560 that they run the football like they like they did 2:00:39.640 --> 2:00:41.520 last week, which I thought they did pretty good job 2:00:41.600 --> 2:00:42.040 running the. 2:00:41.960 --> 2:00:45.280 Football seven per carry exactly. 2:00:45.400 --> 2:00:47.160 So they run the football last year. That's going to 2:00:47.200 --> 2:00:51.320 make life easier. And Drake listens bo nicks the first 2:00:51.360 --> 2:00:55.120 two weeks, I think from two interceptions in each game, 2:00:55.680 --> 2:01:01.120 but he's settled in now. He's not lighting up the scoreboard, 2:01:01.200 --> 2:01:04.920 but you can see the comfort level that he's having. 2:01:04.960 --> 2:01:10.720 That's the problem we expect. I think many people expect teams, 2:01:10.760 --> 2:01:14.040 regardless of what their makeup is, to hit the ground 2:01:14.080 --> 2:01:17.400 running in week one, and it rarely happens. Because of 2:01:17.440 --> 2:01:19.520 the way the preseason is now, you don't get a 2:01:19.520 --> 2:01:22.200 live exposure so on, and maybe even wonder if you 2:01:22.200 --> 2:01:23.240 haven't announced. 2:01:22.840 --> 2:01:26.720 It, ye Russell, you the man. 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