WEBVTT - Episode 4: Evil Ever After

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. This show follows the investigation of serial

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<v Speaker 1>murders and contains material that may be disturbing. Listener discretion advised.

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<v Speaker 2>On our third day in South Africa, the winter clouds

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<v Speaker 2>parted and the sun warmed the earth. Producer Jennifer Zucchini

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<v Speaker 2>and I hopped in a car with Detective Ben Boysen,

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<v Speaker 2>who took us on a tour of krueger Storp.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's on the fifty meters from Cecila's flat.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben's wife Christelle and our fellow producer Jermaine joined us.

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<v Speaker 2>There were high end suburbs with nice homes perched on

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<v Speaker 2>hills that kind of reminded me of La Some areas

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<v Speaker 2>looked more suburban, some more rural and far more flat,

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<v Speaker 2>while other neighborhoods looked dilapidated, under resource forgotten.

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<v Speaker 3>This area now is the worst GRAM area in Kruger's Door.

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<v Speaker 2>We ended our tour at the home of epd's next victim.

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<v Speaker 2>The housing complex stood on a single lane road with

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<v Speaker 2>a field across the street. Not much was visible from

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<v Speaker 2>outside the walls. Like most of the homes in kruger Stourre,

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<v Speaker 2>it was protected by tall, imposing white walls, so then

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<v Speaker 2>it's a gated community, yeah, which is wild because that

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<v Speaker 2>gate is huge and this is a pretty privatized area,

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean someone had to help Mirinda and Marcel

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to get in here. As we looked around,

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<v Speaker 2>we were reminded that Ben Boysen is a popular guy

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<v Speaker 2>around these parts.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and the ice.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, great garden track. Okay, the lady's staying in the outset,

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<v Speaker 3>we can go inside.

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<v Speaker 2>And just like that, the security gates parted and we

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<v Speaker 2>were welcomed in by Anna Marie, the woman who now

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<v Speaker 2>lives there. We got a tour of the home. It

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<v Speaker 2>looked just like many of the condos that I visited

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid in the suburbs of Chicago.

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<v Speaker 4>It felt familiar, safe, But.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, knowing what had happened within those walls, gravity set in.

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<v Speaker 2>I suddenly couldn't stop thinking about the blood that was

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<v Speaker 2>shed right here in the room where I stood. Chills

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<v Speaker 2>ran down my spine. As Ben described the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 3>The beating bought the wall and the roof was full

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<v Speaker 3>of blood.

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<v Speaker 5>She mentioned there were scratch marks along.

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<v Speaker 2>The door in the kitchen. There were deep grooves in

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<v Speaker 2>the corner of one of the old wooden doors leading

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<v Speaker 2>to the backyard one that required a skeleton key. Anna

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<v Speaker 2>Marie spoken Afrikaans, Christelle and Jermaine translated.

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<v Speaker 1>What she's saying is that the neighbors actually informed it.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems that those marks might be from when he

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<v Speaker 3>locked it into the house.

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<v Speaker 6>So there's the little marks that were made from that

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<v Speaker 6>time on the door.

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<v Speaker 2>From School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts, this is Queen

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<v Speaker 2>Havoc and her murder Cult, I'm your host, Kurt Koupachak,

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<v Speaker 2>Episode four Evil Ever After being in the house was eerie,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was nothing compared to being in Miranda's presence.

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<v Speaker 2>When I left the prison, I was relieved to find

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<v Speaker 2>Jermaine waiting for me by the car. I was so

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<v Speaker 2>shaken up. It was one of the most intense situations

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever experienced.

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<v Speaker 7>We can call off the search.

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<v Speaker 6>Body could looking very very frazzile. So I'm really keen

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<v Speaker 6>to see what is going to come from this.

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<v Speaker 4>We're heading back to the hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, We'll see you soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you okay?

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<v Speaker 5>That was yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Let's just stand outside. Okay. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Hearing that again brings you back to how rocked I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even have words to articulate my thoughts. It's

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<v Speaker 2>something I thought I was prepared for. I've been working

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<v Speaker 2>on this story for a couple of years, and I

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<v Speaker 2>knew I needed to be brave to walk into that prison.

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<v Speaker 2>But actually the hardest part was walking out, sitting down

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<v Speaker 2>with that kind of evil that stays with you. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>the person we're calling Luke, who spent some time around

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<v Speaker 2>Mirinda and the group. He refers to her by her profession,

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<v Speaker 2>the teacher.

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<v Speaker 5>And if you look at the teacher, she didn't have

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<v Speaker 5>a good life. She struggled the whole life. She's also

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<v Speaker 5>got a lot of hurt, and she once belonging somewhere,

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<v Speaker 5>and the children got raised without her father's It's the

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<v Speaker 5>perfect evil set up to manipulating gains someone for your avantach.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Rhea, Mirinda was made vulnerable by her faith, by

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<v Speaker 2>her upbringing, and I suppose she was the victim in

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<v Speaker 2>her story. Here's journalist Maritzka Kotz there.

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<v Speaker 4>And Mirenda's she's got two sisters.

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<v Speaker 6>I got to know the adds I made the grandmother.

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<v Speaker 1>They you know what they are, these very conservative ladies,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't swear, and they don't have hair out

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<v Speaker 1>of place, and they are.

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<v Speaker 2>So soft, maybe a bit too focused on propriety, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe why Mirinda often felt out of place. To her,

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<v Speaker 2>it was slow death, and now she was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>live for something greater than herself, acting in God's name,

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<v Speaker 2>just like she'd been raised to. But in doing so

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<v Speaker 2>she became a monster.

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<v Speaker 1>She'll kill Marcel, and she'll kill Lys. If they go

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<v Speaker 1>against Cecilia, she will kill And that's the bloody, sad

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<v Speaker 1>part of this old story.

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<v Speaker 2>That choice haunts me. Her betrayal of her own kids,

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<v Speaker 2>the corruption of their innocence for what for her own

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<v Speaker 2>satisfaction of her psychopathology. When I spoke to her, she

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<v Speaker 2>actually brought this up totally imprompted.

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<v Speaker 5>I study psychology.

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<v Speaker 8>I studied psychology. My father was a psychologist. I know

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not a psychopath. I still have a conscience about.

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<v Speaker 4>Things, you know. But then she said this in almost

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<v Speaker 4>the same breath, if you turn off.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you kissing every time after I kill someone?

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<v Speaker 4>It's like.

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<v Speaker 6>A relief.

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<v Speaker 4>Psychologist.

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<v Speaker 2>Rosalind McNabb told producer Jennifer Tacchini what was happening in

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<v Speaker 2>this case.

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<v Speaker 6>Psychopathology is a personality disorder cat grasped as antisocial. It's

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<v Speaker 6>that manipulation, that calculating ability, the ability to do something

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<v Speaker 6>that is antisocial.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you do if your mother or the mother

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<v Speaker 2>you've been given to, actively goes against society with craven hostility.

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<v Speaker 2>Journalist Jana Marx writes in her book that Marcel coped

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<v Speaker 2>with her strange existence by working extremely hard at school,

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<v Speaker 2>getting straight a's, and Mirinda was so compromised that she

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<v Speaker 2>sent her high achieving daughter to live with Cecilia.

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<v Speaker 6>She was thirteen when she moved in with Cecilia. She

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<v Speaker 6>was literally told to live with Cecilia, babysit for Cecilia's kids,

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<v Speaker 6>clean up for Cecilia, do everything. So this was really

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<v Speaker 6>an abandoned kid.

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<v Speaker 2>LaRue, on the other hand, used drugs as a way

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<v Speaker 2>to escape. He tried running away a few times, but

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<v Speaker 2>then he would quickly return. Didn't take him long to

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<v Speaker 2>learn he had nowhere else to go, no one to

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<v Speaker 2>help him, and out there on his own, his choices

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<v Speaker 2>only became more grim. The Rue and Marcel were kept

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<v Speaker 2>from their father by their mother, Mirinda.

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<v Speaker 6>They were told her dad does not want to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not to say her kids didn't have any

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<v Speaker 2>male role models in their life. No for a father replacement.

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<v Speaker 2>The kids had Zach Valentine talk about toxic LaRue looked

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<v Speaker 2>up to him, while Marcel took to Mikayla. But Michaela

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<v Speaker 2>was becoming desperate to get away from her husband, to

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<v Speaker 2>get away from Cecilia, Mirinda, all of them, even the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>The horror of the murders had not left her. She

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<v Speaker 2>could not forget what they did.

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<v Speaker 3>When she realized that her husband was now killing people,

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<v Speaker 3>she started writing poems from the Bible versus on this warrior.

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<v Speaker 2>Michaela had been so isolated by EPD she didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>where else to turn. She felt like she was losing

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<v Speaker 2>her grip. As her sanity started to unravel, she leaned

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<v Speaker 2>harder into her faith. A personal favorite Bible quote of

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<v Speaker 2>Michaela's fear not for I am with THEE. The God

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<v Speaker 2>of Mikayla's faith would never condone census killing. A book

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<v Speaker 2>she read on spirituality back that up.

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<v Speaker 1>She decided, no, I'm reading this book, Fruits of Life,

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<v Speaker 1>and in that book she came to realize God will

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<v Speaker 1>never ask you to murder anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>She knew she needed to flee from Cecilia and electus perdeis,

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<v Speaker 2>even if escaping meant she'd have to leave the Colt

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<v Speaker 2>without her husband. First, she had to muster the courage

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<v Speaker 2>to confront Zach. Ever since he'd killed Pastor Reginald ben Dixon,

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<v Speaker 2>things had been weird between them. Zach was changing into

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<v Speaker 2>someone she didn't recognize. Michaela was also stressed about the

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<v Speaker 2>couple's finances. Zach was spending heavily on Cecilia's medical bills

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<v Speaker 2>and pulling big chunks from their savings to support her

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<v Speaker 2>alleged overseas orphanage. Soon he was handing over far more

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<v Speaker 2>money than they earned. When Michaela finally told her husband

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<v Speaker 2>that she wanted to leave EPD, Zach listened, then he

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<v Speaker 2>calmly suggested they pray on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Weeks past, Mikaela found a mother and she said, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff that I did, and I'm going to the police,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sorry for what's going to happen, and i

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<v Speaker 1>cannot tell you what it is now, but you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>I'm apologizing now.

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<v Speaker 2>For most of twenty twelve, Mikaela Valentine would lead work

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<v Speaker 2>early every Thursday so she could stay by Cecilia's bedside.

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<v Speaker 2>As the year wore on and her doubts about Cecilia

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<v Speaker 2>and Zach became impossible to ignore. She started indirectly crying

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<v Speaker 2>out for help. Once Michaela mentioned a one coworker that

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<v Speaker 2>she needed to take some time off her reason so

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<v Speaker 2>she could help her friends build car bombs. This person

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<v Speaker 2>was later questioned by Susette about why she never reported

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<v Speaker 2>that alarming information.

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<v Speaker 1>She said She's spoken to a Osmond and a husband said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is just unbelievable. Just don't go to the police.

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<v Speaker 1>That gonna think you crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So often in stories like this, we wonder why didn't

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<v Speaker 2>anyone say anything sound the alarm, ask for help. People

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it's not their place, and who would believe them.

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<v Speaker 2>Michayla's stories about Cecilia's prayer group were so outlandish, how

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<v Speaker 2>could they possibly be true? Like many others in this story,

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<v Speaker 2>Michayla's coworker chose to stay silent. Cut to October twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>By then, Cecilia had figured out that Michayla was a

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<v Speaker 2>flight risk and posed a threat to all of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Michayla knew way too much. If she went to the police,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be the end. Cecilia and Mirinda began feeding

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<v Speaker 2>Zach lyes about his wife Here's Luke.

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<v Speaker 5>She has absolutely a mastermind. She knows how to manipulate people.

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<v Speaker 5>She lied about Michaela to provoke soccagainst it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was about this time that Cecilia turned her manipulation

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<v Speaker 2>full tilt to seduce Zach Here's journalist Jana Marx.

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<v Speaker 1>It came to light that he had understanding that he

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<v Speaker 1>was married to the wrong woman, Mikayla, that Celia was

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<v Speaker 1>actually tasting to be his wife.

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<v Speaker 5>She started playing a psychological game with him. So she's

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<v Speaker 5>a very dangerous person.

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<v Speaker 2>On Wednesday, October three, twenty twelve, almost two months after

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<v Speaker 2>Reginald ben Dixon was killed, Michaela mustered up the courage

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<v Speaker 2>to confront her spiritual master and tell her that she

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<v Speaker 2>was leaving EPD. When she arrived at Casana Flats, Michaela

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<v Speaker 2>was escorted into Cecilia's bedroom. The door was closed behind her.

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<v Speaker 2>Marcel waited out in the living room. One on ones

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<v Speaker 2>with Cecilia were rare and unpredictable and could create tension

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<v Speaker 2>within the group. Silence minutes past, but then the door

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<v Speaker 2>to Cecilia's room opened. Mikayla emerged. She was light, ebulent,

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<v Speaker 2>free Michaela said her goodbyes to Mirinda, to LaRue and

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<v Speaker 2>to her surrogate baby sister, Marcel. I would guess that

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<v Speaker 2>some part of her wish she could take Marcel away

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<v Speaker 2>with her. Then Michayla exited Casana Flats for the last time,

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<v Speaker 2>excited for her future.

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<v Speaker 3>She was in a good place at that stage, chucking

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<v Speaker 3>everybody away. You know, say, I don't want Marianell my

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<v Speaker 3>life anymore. I don't want Cecilia on my life anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>And she told her usband, you must it's Meo or Cecilia.

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<v Speaker 2>The next morning, October fourth, Michaela wakes up next to Zach.

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<v Speaker 2>They open their eyes. It's a normal day, like any other.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Thursday, the day she'd usually take care of Cecilia,

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<v Speaker 2>but today she's her own woman.

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<v Speaker 4>She tends to herself instead.

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<v Speaker 2>She makes coffee for her and Zach before he leaves

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<v Speaker 2>for his office at Discovery Life Insurance.

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<v Speaker 3>Cecilia told Zach they must give a sleeping tablets in

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<v Speaker 3>a coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>While Mikayla's back is turned, Zach drops two sleeping pills

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<v Speaker 2>into her morning coffee and watches them dissolve. Suddenly, drowsy,

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<v Speaker 2>Michaela says she'll probably go back to bed. Zach says

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<v Speaker 2>goodbye and leaves for work. Just a heads up, this

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<v Speaker 2>next part is quite upsetting. If you, or someone with

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<v Speaker 2>you is a sensitive listener, you might want to skip

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<v Speaker 2>ahead by a minute or two. Mikayla isn't in bed

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<v Speaker 2>long before Marenda comes through their front door, armed with

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<v Speaker 2>a hammer and a set of knives. Her daughter, Marcel

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<v Speaker 2>follows obediently. Mirinda creeps into the bedroom, hammer in hand.

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<v Speaker 2>She stands over the sleeping Mikayla.

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<v Speaker 3>When Maranda came in, marandaita with a I'm on the eighth.

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<v Speaker 2>Marcel stands frozen in the doorway, watching as her mother

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<v Speaker 2>is about to murder her only friend. When I spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to Mirenda in prison, she chillingly described to me what

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<v Speaker 2>happened next.

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<v Speaker 8>I have this thing in my hat that I have

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<v Speaker 8>to eat it to incapacitate it because she's young. And

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<v Speaker 8>then she opened her eyes and she was all dragged.

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<v Speaker 4>Mikayla wasn't fully asleep, she.

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<v Speaker 3>Awaked it actually, and then she looked at Maranda and

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<v Speaker 3>de Marna told her, Mikaela, you now need to star

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<v Speaker 3>to pray, because now I'm going.

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<v Speaker 4>To kill you.

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<v Speaker 8>And then and then she closed her eyes and she

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<v Speaker 8>started prying out loud, and she pried, and I letter

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<v Speaker 8>pray and until she finished, and then I stabbed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Marcel nearly faints. She catches herself and leans on the

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<v Speaker 2>doorframe for support. Her mother seems to forget that she's

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<v Speaker 2>even there. Mirinda uses a crude knife on Michayla, one

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<v Speaker 2>made for skinning fish. Without looking back, Mirinda shouts where

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<v Speaker 2>are you to her daughter. Marcella is still holding herself

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<v Speaker 2>up with the doorframe frozen. She knows she'll be in

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<v Speaker 2>trouble with Cecilia if she doesn't honor her instructions. Fear

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<v Speaker 2>animates her limbs. Marcella approaches Michayla. Her friend's eyes are

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<v Speaker 2>glazed over. Blood is everywhere as the life leaks from

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<v Speaker 2>her body. Michayla's prayers fall weakly from her lips. Marcel

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<v Speaker 2>stands over Michayla. She looks down at her. She feels

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<v Speaker 2>the menace of the knife in her hand and her

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<v Speaker 2>mother's hot stare. Then Marcel surprises herself. She stabs Michaela

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<v Speaker 2>in the abdomen on her left side.

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<v Speaker 3>Marcel only stabbed at once with.

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<v Speaker 2>Her knife stuck inside Michayla's body. Marcel lies. She tells

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<v Speaker 2>her mother it won't go in. My knife is not

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<v Speaker 2>sharp enough. That's okay, says Mirinda. Her mother reassures her,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm almost through. Marcel pulls out the knife she's stuck

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<v Speaker 2>in the side of her only ally, she looks at

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<v Speaker 2>the blood on the blade. The praying stops. Michaela's lifts

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<v Speaker 2>stop moving. Now she can hear her mother breathing heavily

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<v Speaker 2>over Michaela's fatal silence. Marcel stares at the beads of

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<v Speaker 2>sweat on her mother's brow, her blood speckled face. Mikayla's

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<v Speaker 2>brief gasp of freedom was short lived, and.

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<v Speaker 3>She stabbed her sixty four times. Unbelievable. So, but this

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<v Speaker 3>is hows with you where they used.

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<v Speaker 5>To stay.

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<v Speaker 2>Before they leave. Marcel helps her mother pull the divey

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<v Speaker 2>over Mikayla. Merinda adds an electric blanket.

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<v Speaker 4>She switches it on.

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<v Speaker 2>Cecilia had told her followers that the time of death

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<v Speaker 2>is difficult to determine if a body is exposed to

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<v Speaker 2>extreme heat. They take Michayla's phone, pocket her wedding ring,

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<v Speaker 2>use the blood coated hammer to batter Mikayla's tablet to

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<v Speaker 2>pieces so it can't be tracked. They aim to make

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<v Speaker 2>it look like a home invasion and robbery. After they

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<v Speaker 2>leave the scene, mother and daughter scatter all of these

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<v Speaker 2>items and the murder weapons, dropping them from their car window.

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<v Speaker 2>At various points on their drive back to Casana Flats,

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<v Speaker 2>EPD gathered together and were reminded of the price of

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<v Speaker 2>defying Cecilia. Here's journalist Mritzka Katz there.

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<v Speaker 1>Mikaila was always the example. You know, remember what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to Michaela.

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<v Speaker 2>The threat of reprisal for defying Cecilia was now a

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<v Speaker 2>promise to the group. Zach proved that he would sacrifice

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<v Speaker 2>his wife to their queen, and Marinda seemed even more

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<v Speaker 2>compelled to be the best, the favorite, the most committed,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what the cost. At three point thirty PM,

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Valentine returns home.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not alone the buzando I was supposed to sell DoLS.

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<v Speaker 3>He might shure that day before he met the guet.

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<v Speaker 2>He's with a real estate agent named Estelle. In order

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<v Speaker 2>for his alibi to be air tight, someone has to

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<v Speaker 2>be there when he discovers his wife's body. Zach had

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<v Speaker 2>arranged to meet a Stelle at his house after work

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<v Speaker 2>so she could take some photos. Estelle later testified that

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<v Speaker 2>she waited at the front door with her colleague while

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<v Speaker 2>Zack went in to greet his wife. The reel at

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<v Speaker 2>her noticed an ashtray had been knocked under the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>There was ash all over the carpet. The house smelled

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<v Speaker 2>of cigarette smoke, alcohol, and men's yodor. Something's not right,

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<v Speaker 2>she whispered to her assistant. Then they heard Zack shouting

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<v Speaker 2>from the other room.

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<v Speaker 3>It was doc in a room and he came out

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<v Speaker 3>and he said to the woman, please come come look.

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<v Speaker 3>I think my wife is date.

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<v Speaker 2>When Estelle gets to the bedroom, she can't tell what's happening,

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<v Speaker 2>not until she switches on the light. When she does,

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<v Speaker 2>she sees someone under the covers of the bed, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's blood everywhere, like everywhere. Zach doesn't touch his wife's

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<v Speaker 2>dead body. He just stands there. A Stelle yells to

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<v Speaker 2>her assistant to call the police. She pulls Zack gently

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<v Speaker 2>away from the side of his wife. Is she really dead?

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<v Speaker 2>Zach asks. Once he's out of the bedroom. A Stelle

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<v Speaker 2>goes back to the bedside to check to be sure there.

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<v Speaker 3>Was a lot of blood. Everything was blood. She was mutilated.

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<v Speaker 2>Mikayla's gone, A Stelle says. Zach walks to the fridge.

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<v Speaker 2>He chugs an entire cartner fruit juice. A Stelle watches him.

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<v Speaker 2>Then she grabs two cups, thinking some water would be

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<v Speaker 2>good for her and her colleague. But her hands are

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<v Speaker 2>trembling so much she drops the glasses. They shatter against

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<v Speaker 2>the tile floor, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the woman ask him, are you not going to

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<v Speaker 3>find somebody?

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<v Speaker 2>Zach doesn't answer. Instead, he wonders aloud where the cats are?

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<v Speaker 3>She said, find your patents and find the police. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you find these patents, and she found the police. Because

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't find the police, he never touched his wife.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you just ask, we must look for my cats.

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<v Speaker 3>Where is my cats? And they found the cats in

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<v Speaker 3>one of the rooms, opened the door and the cats

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<v Speaker 3>ran out. And then you walked outside and went to

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<v Speaker 3>stand next to this wall smoking. Does he get it?

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<v Speaker 4>His phone rings? It's his father.

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<v Speaker 2>A Stelle listens as Zach pleads with his father to

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<v Speaker 2>come to the house. A Stelle is relieved that Zach

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<v Speaker 2>has someone to talk to, someone who can be there

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<v Speaker 2>with him. The three of them wait in the living

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<v Speaker 2>room for what to Estelle feels like ours. Zack inquires

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<v Speaker 2>if the potential buyers are still coming this afternoon, will

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<v Speaker 2>you still be able to sell the house? He asks, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I've canceled the appointment. A Stelle responds. His wife's body

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<v Speaker 2>is lying lifeless in the next room, growing colder by

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<v Speaker 2>the minute. It's all a Stelle can think about. But

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<v Speaker 2>Zach wants to know if the house will sell. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he's in shock, a Stelle tells herself. Zach leans forward,

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<v Speaker 2>face in hands. He says, I didn't want to trick

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<v Speaker 2>my wife. Stelle pretends not to have heard that. She

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<v Speaker 2>gets up and steps outside. She can hear the sirens

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<v Speaker 2>that are to her relief, now approaching. The police take

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<v Speaker 2>control of the crime scene. They hustle everyone outside and

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<v Speaker 2>begin taking statements and document the murder with photographs. Mikayla's

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<v Speaker 2>parents arrive in hysterics. A grief councilor speaks with Michaela's parents,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're interrupted when the councilor hears laughter at the

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<v Speaker 2>murder scene. She turns and is stunned when she sees it.

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<v Speaker 2>Zach and his parents.

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<v Speaker 3>They were standing mixed to him at the wall, and

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<v Speaker 3>they were laughing.

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<v Speaker 2>Zach and his parents are introduced to the grief and

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<v Speaker 2>trauma counselor. The family makes it known that they are

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<v Speaker 2>children of God and they don't need to speak with anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>The grief counselor notes that Zach's eyes are dry. Zach

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<v Speaker 2>complains aloud that all this is taking so long. The realtor,

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<v Speaker 2>A Stelle, attempts to compassionately explain to him that the

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<v Speaker 2>police have to photograph the house from every angle. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>so you'll get some photos, just not the ones you wanted,

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<v Speaker 2>Zach sarcastically says to an astounded Stelle. Around eleven PM

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<v Speaker 2>that night, the police finally let the families back into

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<v Speaker 2>the house. Mikayla's mother pulls Zach aside. She wants to

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<v Speaker 2>know was Mikaela a Satanist. Zach assures her that her

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<v Speaker 2>daughter was not. The police find assassination kits next to

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<v Speaker 2>the couple's bed. Each member of EPD has their own kit.

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<v Speaker 2>It contains gloves, a ski mask, cable ties, knives, strangling wire,

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<v Speaker 2>and a handgun. This discovery alone should have alerted the

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<v Speaker 2>detectives that something illegal was going on. People don't typically

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<v Speaker 2>have strangling wire in their bedside tables, but for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 2>the police decide to overlook the matching his and hers

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<v Speaker 2>assassination kits. Before leaving the murder scene, the trauma counselor

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<v Speaker 2>approaches Zach one last time, nearly everyone else is left.

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<v Speaker 2>She asks Zach if he has a friend to stay

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<v Speaker 2>with or if he's going to stay with his parents.

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<v Speaker 3>And he said, now he's going to sleep there. So

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<v Speaker 3>he turned that mattress that was full of bloody, turned

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<v Speaker 3>around and he sleeped in the same bed that this

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<v Speaker 3>was killed.

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<v Speaker 4>Unbelievable, no waybelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>That night, after flipping the mattress, Zach puts a clean

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<v Speaker 2>set of sheets on the bed. He lies down next

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<v Speaker 2>to the spot where his wife was murdered, and he

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<v Speaker 2>falls asleep. Captain Van Vick was stricken when he heard

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<v Speaker 2>the news of Michaela's murder. He's the officer who brought

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<v Speaker 2>in all the members of EPD but didn't have enough

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<v Speaker 2>to convict them. But he did have ample evidence to

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<v Speaker 2>apply for a search warrant that would have covered Zack

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<v Speaker 2>and McKay's house.

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<v Speaker 7>We started to compile evidence. She admitted the statement to

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<v Speaker 7>a prosecutor. We approached him, he told him of the application.

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<v Speaker 7>He told us to give him the document and he

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<v Speaker 7>needed a few days to apply his mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Those few days were a few too many.

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<v Speaker 7>Unfortunately, two days after we gave him the document, we

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<v Speaker 7>received the call that Mikaela was Unfortunately, she was murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>Hearing this blew my mind. How devastating. This is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the critical errors that may have cost the life

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<v Speaker 2>of Michaela and the lives of seven others. Unfortunately, for

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<v Speaker 2>reasons that defy explanation, the police remained distracted by the

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<v Speaker 2>swirl of coincidence and fears of an occult connection. Enter

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<v Speaker 2>detectives susc canose.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact was right in front of him, but their

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<v Speaker 1>attention was drawn to sensation, and you can't investigate like that.

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<v Speaker 2>After the new use Michaela's murder broke, Ria Grunewald finally

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<v Speaker 2>came to terms with the ugly truth she'd been trying

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<v Speaker 2>to dodge. Cecilia was in fact capable of mass murder.

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<v Speaker 2>She had to be behind it, all, the threats, the bombings,

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<v Speaker 2>the murders, everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I interviewed Ria, but she at some stage, because obviously

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<v Speaker 1>of being very scared of Celia, she ran off and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to talk to the police anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, with one less member, the walls of EPD came

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<v Speaker 2>down just enough to let Luke our infiltrator in for

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<v Speaker 2>real this time. But first he needed to be just

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<v Speaker 2>as guilty as the rest of them.

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<v Speaker 5>We spoke about killing Ria Joshua.

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<v Speaker 1>Joshua will neven know how close he was to the

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<v Speaker 1>so many times.

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<v Speaker 2>Fortunately for Joshua, Luke wasn't a killer.

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<v Speaker 1>But then one of the witnesses that was part of

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<v Speaker 1>the group at some stage that brought him to me

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<v Speaker 1>and he was asked to help with this conspiracy of murder,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was with Rhea's son.

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<v Speaker 2>Detective Susette officially took over the murder investigations, which coincided

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly with Luke's plans to turn EPD in. Things were

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<v Speaker 2>heating up at Casana Flats and Luke's loyalty to Cecilia

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<v Speaker 2>officially became a matter of life or death.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we're natural time and that course my time.

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<v Speaker 4>On the next episode of Queen Havoc.

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<v Speaker 1>When we went to search the apartment we had Warren,

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<v Speaker 1>I went into Cecilia's room. I started asking her some

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<v Speaker 1>questions about the Occulton. She couldn't answer me.

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<v Speaker 3>I know if they're going to do something now. The

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<v Speaker 3>spotlight is on there, and that's why they stopped with

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<v Speaker 3>the killings and stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually run from my life. I was almost managed Date nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Queen Havoc and Her Murder Cult is a production of

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<v Speaker 2>Schooly Humans and iHeart Podcasts. Queen Havoc is hosted and

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<v Speaker 2>created by me Kurt Kupachick, produced and written by Jennifer Tacchini,

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<v Speaker 2>Julia Christgau, and Kurt Kupachick. Lead producer is Julia Chriskau.

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<v Speaker 2>Story editor is Saren Burnett. Senior producer is Amelia Brock.

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<v Speaker 2>Production manager is Daisy Church. Original music composed by Claire Campbell, editing,

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<v Speaker 2>sound design and scoring by Jesse Niswanger. Associate producers are

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<v Speaker 2>DaShan Moodley and Jamaine Kriher. Additional producing by Ben Mellman,

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<v Speaker 2>fact checking by Dennis Webster. Recording engineers are Graham Gibson,

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<v Speaker 2>Clay Hillenberg, and Josh Hook. Brind Stein was read by

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<v Speaker 2>Angelique Pretorius. Executive producer are Virginia Prescott, LC Crowley, Brandon Barr,

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Takeiny and Kurt Kupachak. We want to thank all

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<v Speaker 2>of those who so generously welcomed us in South Africa

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<v Speaker 2>and shared their stories.

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<v Speaker 4>We're incredibly grateful to you all.

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<v Speaker 2>We also want to acknowledge how traumatic these events are

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<v Speaker 2>for the victims and their families. Please respect their privacy.

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<v Speaker 2>If you or someone you know has been affected by

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<v Speaker 2>cult behaviors, there are resources available, including Voices for Dignity,

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<v Speaker 2>at Christine Murray dot com.