1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: School of Humans. This show follows the investigation of serial 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: murders and contains material that may be disturbing. Listener discretion advised. 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 2: On our third day in South Africa, the winter clouds 4 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 2: parted and the sun warmed the earth. Producer Jennifer Zucchini 5 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: and I hopped in a car with Detective Ben Boysen, 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: who took us on a tour of krueger Storp. 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 3: And that's on the fifty meters from Cecila's flat. 8 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: Ben's wife Christelle and our fellow producer Jermaine joined us. 9 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: There were high end suburbs with nice homes perched on 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: hills that kind of reminded me of La Some areas 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: looked more suburban, some more rural and far more flat, 12 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 2: while other neighborhoods looked dilapidated, under resource forgotten. 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: This area now is the worst GRAM area in Kruger's Door. 14 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: We ended our tour at the home of epd's next victim. 15 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: The housing complex stood on a single lane road with 16 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: a field across the street. Not much was visible from 17 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 2: outside the walls. Like most of the homes in kruger Stourre, 18 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: it was protected by tall, imposing white walls, so then 19 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 2: it's a gated community, yeah, which is wild because that 20 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: gate is huge and this is a pretty privatized area, 21 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: So I mean someone had to help Mirinda and Marcel 22 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: to be able to get in here. As we looked around, 23 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: we were reminded that Ben Boysen is a popular guy 24 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: around these parts. 25 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 4: Well, and the ice. 26 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: Well, great garden track. Okay, the lady's staying in the outset, 27 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: we can go inside. 28 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: And just like that, the security gates parted and we 29 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: were welcomed in by Anna Marie, the woman who now 30 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: lives there. We got a tour of the home. It 31 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: looked just like many of the condos that I visited 32 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: as a kid in the suburbs of Chicago. 33 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 4: It felt familiar, safe, But. 34 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: Then, knowing what had happened within those walls, gravity set in. 35 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: I suddenly couldn't stop thinking about the blood that was 36 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: shed right here in the room where I stood. Chills 37 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 2: ran down my spine. As Ben described the crime scene. 38 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 3: The beating bought the wall and the roof was full 39 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: of blood. 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 5: She mentioned there were scratch marks along. 41 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: The door in the kitchen. There were deep grooves in 42 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: the corner of one of the old wooden doors leading 43 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: to the backyard one that required a skeleton key. Anna 44 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: Marie spoken Afrikaans, Christelle and Jermaine translated. 45 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: What she's saying is that the neighbors actually informed it. 46 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: It seems that those marks might be from when he 47 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 3: locked it into the house. 48 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 6: So there's the little marks that were made from that 49 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 6: time on the door. 50 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: From School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts, this is Queen 51 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: Havoc and her murder Cult, I'm your host, Kurt Koupachak, 52 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: Episode four Evil Ever After being in the house was eerie, 53 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 2: but it was nothing compared to being in Miranda's presence. 54 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: When I left the prison, I was relieved to find 55 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: Jermaine waiting for me by the car. I was so 56 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 2: shaken up. It was one of the most intense situations 57 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 2: I've ever experienced. 58 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 7: We can call off the search. 59 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 6: Body could looking very very frazzile. So I'm really keen 60 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 6: to see what is going to come from this. 61 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 4: We're heading back to the hotel. 62 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: Now, We'll see you soon. 63 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: Are you okay? 64 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 5: That was yeah? 65 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 4: Let's just stand outside. Okay. Wow. 66 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: Hearing that again brings you back to how rocked I was. 67 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: I didn't even have words to articulate my thoughts. It's 68 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: something I thought I was prepared for. I've been working 69 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: on this story for a couple of years, and I 70 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: knew I needed to be brave to walk into that prison. 71 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: But actually the hardest part was walking out, sitting down 72 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: with that kind of evil that stays with you. Here's 73 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: the person we're calling Luke, who spent some time around 74 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 2: Mirinda and the group. He refers to her by her profession, 75 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: the teacher. 76 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 5: And if you look at the teacher, she didn't have 77 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 5: a good life. She struggled the whole life. She's also 78 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 5: got a lot of hurt, and she once belonging somewhere, 79 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 5: and the children got raised without her father's It's the 80 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 5: perfect evil set up to manipulating gains someone for your avantach. 81 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: Like Rhea, Mirinda was made vulnerable by her faith, by 82 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: her upbringing, and I suppose she was the victim in 83 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: her story. Here's journalist Maritzka Kotz there. 84 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 4: And Mirenda's she's got two sisters. 85 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 6: I got to know the adds I made the grandmother. 86 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: They you know what they are, these very conservative ladies, 87 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: and they don't swear, and they don't have hair out 88 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: of place, and they are. 89 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: So soft, maybe a bit too focused on propriety, and 90 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: maybe why Mirinda often felt out of place. To her, 91 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 2: it was slow death, and now she was trying to 92 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: live for something greater than herself, acting in God's name, 93 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: just like she'd been raised to. But in doing so 94 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: she became a monster. 95 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: She'll kill Marcel, and she'll kill Lys. If they go 96 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: against Cecilia, she will kill And that's the bloody, sad 97 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: part of this old story. 98 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: That choice haunts me. Her betrayal of her own kids, 99 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: the corruption of their innocence for what for her own 100 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: satisfaction of her psychopathology. When I spoke to her, she 101 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: actually brought this up totally imprompted. 102 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 5: I study psychology. 103 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 8: I studied psychology. My father was a psychologist. I know 104 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 8: I'm not a psychopath. I still have a conscience about. 105 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 4: Things, you know. But then she said this in almost 106 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 4: the same breath, if you turn off. 107 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 8: Do you kissing every time after I kill someone? 108 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 4: It's like. 109 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 6: A relief. 110 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 4: Psychologist. 111 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: Rosalind McNabb told producer Jennifer Tacchini what was happening in 112 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: this case. 113 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 6: Psychopathology is a personality disorder cat grasped as antisocial. It's 114 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 6: that manipulation, that calculating ability, the ability to do something 115 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 6: that is antisocial. 116 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: What do you do if your mother or the mother 117 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: you've been given to, actively goes against society with craven hostility. 118 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: Journalist Jana Marx writes in her book that Marcel coped 119 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: with her strange existence by working extremely hard at school, 120 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: getting straight a's, and Mirinda was so compromised that she 121 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: sent her high achieving daughter to live with Cecilia. 122 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 6: She was thirteen when she moved in with Cecilia. She 123 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 6: was literally told to live with Cecilia, babysit for Cecilia's kids, 124 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 6: clean up for Cecilia, do everything. So this was really 125 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 6: an abandoned kid. 126 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: LaRue, on the other hand, used drugs as a way 127 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: to escape. He tried running away a few times, but 128 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: then he would quickly return. Didn't take him long to 129 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: learn he had nowhere else to go, no one to 130 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: help him, and out there on his own, his choices 131 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: only became more grim. The Rue and Marcel were kept 132 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: from their father by their mother, Mirinda. 133 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 6: They were told her dad does not want to see you. 134 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: But that's not to say her kids didn't have any 135 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: male role models in their life. No for a father replacement. 136 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: The kids had Zach Valentine talk about toxic LaRue looked 137 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: up to him, while Marcel took to Mikayla. But Michaela 138 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: was becoming desperate to get away from her husband, to 139 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: get away from Cecilia, Mirinda, all of them, even the kids. 140 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: The horror of the murders had not left her. She 141 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: could not forget what they did. 142 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 3: When she realized that her husband was now killing people, 143 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: she started writing poems from the Bible versus on this warrior. 144 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 2: Michaela had been so isolated by EPD she didn't know 145 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: where else to turn. She felt like she was losing 146 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: her grip. As her sanity started to unravel, she leaned 147 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: harder into her faith. A personal favorite Bible quote of 148 00:08:55,440 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: Michaela's fear not for I am with THEE. The God 149 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: of Mikayla's faith would never condone census killing. A book 150 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: she read on spirituality back that up. 151 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: She decided, no, I'm reading this book, Fruits of Life, 152 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: and in that book she came to realize God will 153 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: never ask you to murder anybody. 154 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: She knew she needed to flee from Cecilia and electus perdeis, 155 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: even if escaping meant she'd have to leave the Colt 156 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: without her husband. First, she had to muster the courage 157 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: to confront Zach. Ever since he'd killed Pastor Reginald ben Dixon, 158 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: things had been weird between them. Zach was changing into 159 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: someone she didn't recognize. Michaela was also stressed about the 160 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: couple's finances. Zach was spending heavily on Cecilia's medical bills 161 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: and pulling big chunks from their savings to support her 162 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: alleged overseas orphanage. Soon he was handing over far more 163 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: money than they earned. When Michaela finally told her husband 164 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: that she wanted to leave EPD, Zach listened, then he 165 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: calmly suggested they pray on it. 166 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: Weeks past, Mikaela found a mother and she said, listen, 167 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: this stuff that I did, and I'm going to the police, 168 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,599 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry for what's going to happen, and i 169 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: cannot tell you what it is now, but you'll see 170 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm apologizing now. 171 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: For most of twenty twelve, Mikaela Valentine would lead work 172 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: early every Thursday so she could stay by Cecilia's bedside. 173 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 2: As the year wore on and her doubts about Cecilia 174 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: and Zach became impossible to ignore. She started indirectly crying 175 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: out for help. Once Michaela mentioned a one coworker that 176 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: she needed to take some time off her reason so 177 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: she could help her friends build car bombs. This person 178 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: was later questioned by Susette about why she never reported 179 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: that alarming information. 180 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: She said She's spoken to a Osmond and a husband said, 181 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: this is just unbelievable. Just don't go to the police. 182 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: That gonna think you crazy. 183 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 2: So often in stories like this, we wonder why didn't 184 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: anyone say anything sound the alarm, ask for help. People 185 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: feel like it's not their place, and who would believe them. 186 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: Michayla's stories about Cecilia's prayer group were so outlandish, how 187 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: could they possibly be true? Like many others in this story, 188 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: Michayla's coworker chose to stay silent. Cut to October twenty twelve. 189 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: By then, Cecilia had figured out that Michayla was a 190 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 2: flight risk and posed a threat to all of them. 191 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 2: Michayla knew way too much. If she went to the police, 192 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: that would be the end. Cecilia and Mirinda began feeding 193 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: Zach lyes about his wife Here's Luke. 194 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 5: She has absolutely a mastermind. She knows how to manipulate people. 195 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 5: She lied about Michaela to provoke soccagainst it. 196 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: It was about this time that Cecilia turned her manipulation 197 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: full tilt to seduce Zach Here's journalist Jana Marx. 198 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: It came to light that he had understanding that he 199 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 1: was married to the wrong woman, Mikayla, that Celia was 200 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: actually tasting to be his wife. 201 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 5: She started playing a psychological game with him. So she's 202 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 5: a very dangerous person. 203 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: On Wednesday, October three, twenty twelve, almost two months after 204 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: Reginald ben Dixon was killed, Michaela mustered up the courage 205 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 2: to confront her spiritual master and tell her that she 206 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 2: was leaving EPD. When she arrived at Casana Flats, Michaela 207 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 2: was escorted into Cecilia's bedroom. The door was closed behind her. 208 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: Marcel waited out in the living room. One on ones 209 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: with Cecilia were rare and unpredictable and could create tension 210 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: within the group. Silence minutes past, but then the door 211 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: to Cecilia's room opened. Mikayla emerged. She was light, ebulent, 212 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: free Michaela said her goodbyes to Mirinda, to LaRue and 213 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: to her surrogate baby sister, Marcel. I would guess that 214 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: some part of her wish she could take Marcel away 215 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 2: with her. Then Michayla exited Casana Flats for the last time, 216 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: excited for her future. 217 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 3: She was in a good place at that stage, chucking 218 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 3: everybody away. You know, say, I don't want Marianell my 219 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 3: life anymore. I don't want Cecilia on my life anymore. 220 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 3: And she told her usband, you must it's Meo or Cecilia. 221 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 2: The next morning, October fourth, Michaela wakes up next to Zach. 222 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: They open their eyes. It's a normal day, like any other. 223 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: It's Thursday, the day she'd usually take care of Cecilia, 224 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: but today she's her own woman. 225 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 4: She tends to herself instead. 226 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: She makes coffee for her and Zach before he leaves 227 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: for his office at Discovery Life Insurance. 228 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 3: Cecilia told Zach they must give a sleeping tablets in 229 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: a coffee. 230 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: While Mikayla's back is turned, Zach drops two sleeping pills 231 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: into her morning coffee and watches them dissolve. Suddenly, drowsy, 232 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: Michaela says she'll probably go back to bed. Zach says 233 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: goodbye and leaves for work. Just a heads up, this 234 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: next part is quite upsetting. If you, or someone with 235 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: you is a sensitive listener, you might want to skip 236 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: ahead by a minute or two. Mikayla isn't in bed 237 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: long before Marenda comes through their front door, armed with 238 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: a hammer and a set of knives. Her daughter, Marcel 239 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: follows obediently. Mirinda creeps into the bedroom, hammer in hand. 240 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: She stands over the sleeping Mikayla. 241 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 3: When Maranda came in, marandaita with a I'm on the eighth. 242 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: Marcel stands frozen in the doorway, watching as her mother 243 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: is about to murder her only friend. When I spoke 244 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: to Mirenda in prison, she chillingly described to me what 245 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: happened next. 246 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 8: I have this thing in my hat that I have 247 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 8: to eat it to incapacitate it because she's young. And 248 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 8: then she opened her eyes and she was all dragged. 249 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 4: Mikayla wasn't fully asleep, she. 250 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: Awaked it actually, and then she looked at Maranda and 251 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: de Marna told her, Mikaela, you now need to star 252 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: to pray, because now I'm going. 253 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 4: To kill you. 254 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 8: And then and then she closed her eyes and she 255 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 8: started prying out loud, and she pried, and I letter 256 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 8: pray and until she finished, and then I stabbed it. 257 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: Marcel nearly faints. She catches herself and leans on the 258 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: doorframe for support. Her mother seems to forget that she's 259 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: even there. Mirinda uses a crude knife on Michayla, one 260 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: made for skinning fish. Without looking back, Mirinda shouts where 261 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: are you to her daughter. Marcella is still holding herself 262 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: up with the doorframe frozen. She knows she'll be in 263 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: trouble with Cecilia if she doesn't honor her instructions. Fear 264 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: animates her limbs. Marcella approaches Michayla. Her friend's eyes are 265 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: glazed over. Blood is everywhere as the life leaks from 266 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: her body. Michayla's prayers fall weakly from her lips. Marcel 267 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: stands over Michayla. She looks down at her. She feels 268 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: the menace of the knife in her hand and her 269 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: mother's hot stare. Then Marcel surprises herself. She stabs Michaela 270 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: in the abdomen on her left side. 271 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: Marcel only stabbed at once with. 272 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: Her knife stuck inside Michayla's body. Marcel lies. She tells 273 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: her mother it won't go in. My knife is not 274 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: sharp enough. That's okay, says Mirinda. Her mother reassures her, 275 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: I'm almost through. Marcel pulls out the knife she's stuck 276 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: in the side of her only ally, she looks at 277 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: the blood on the blade. The praying stops. Michaela's lifts 278 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 2: stop moving. Now she can hear her mother breathing heavily 279 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: over Michaela's fatal silence. Marcel stares at the beads of 280 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 2: sweat on her mother's brow, her blood speckled face. Mikayla's 281 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 2: brief gasp of freedom was short lived, and. 282 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 3: She stabbed her sixty four times. Unbelievable. So, but this 283 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: is hows with you where they used. 284 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 5: To stay. 285 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: Before they leave. Marcel helps her mother pull the divey 286 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 2: over Mikayla. Merinda adds an electric blanket. 287 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 4: She switches it on. 288 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: Cecilia had told her followers that the time of death 289 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: is difficult to determine if a body is exposed to 290 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: extreme heat. They take Michayla's phone, pocket her wedding ring, 291 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 2: use the blood coated hammer to batter Mikayla's tablet to 292 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: pieces so it can't be tracked. They aim to make 293 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 2: it look like a home invasion and robbery. After they 294 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: leave the scene, mother and daughter scatter all of these 295 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: items and the murder weapons, dropping them from their car window. 296 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 2: At various points on their drive back to Casana Flats, 297 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 2: EPD gathered together and were reminded of the price of 298 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 2: defying Cecilia. Here's journalist Mritzka Katz there. 299 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: Mikaila was always the example. You know, remember what happened 300 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: to Michaela. 301 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 2: The threat of reprisal for defying Cecilia was now a 302 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: promise to the group. Zach proved that he would sacrifice 303 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: his wife to their queen, and Marinda seemed even more 304 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: compelled to be the best, the favorite, the most committed, 305 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: no matter what the cost. At three point thirty PM, 306 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 2: Zach Valentine returns home. 307 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 3: He's not alone the buzando I was supposed to sell DoLS. 308 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: He might shure that day before he met the guet. 309 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: He's with a real estate agent named Estelle. In order 310 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 2: for his alibi to be air tight, someone has to 311 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 2: be there when he discovers his wife's body. Zach had 312 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: arranged to meet a Stelle at his house after work 313 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: so she could take some photos. Estelle later testified that 314 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 2: she waited at the front door with her colleague while 315 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 2: Zack went in to greet his wife. The reel at 316 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: her noticed an ashtray had been knocked under the ground. 317 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: There was ash all over the carpet. The house smelled 318 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 2: of cigarette smoke, alcohol, and men's yodor. Something's not right, 319 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 2: she whispered to her assistant. Then they heard Zack shouting 320 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 2: from the other room. 321 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 3: It was doc in a room and he came out 322 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 3: and he said to the woman, please come come look. 323 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 3: I think my wife is date. 324 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 2: When Estelle gets to the bedroom, she can't tell what's happening, 325 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 2: not until she switches on the light. When she does, 326 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: she sees someone under the covers of the bed, and 327 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: there's blood everywhere, like everywhere. Zach doesn't touch his wife's 328 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 2: dead body. He just stands there. A Stelle yells to 329 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: her assistant to call the police. She pulls Zack gently 330 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 2: away from the side of his wife. Is she really dead? 331 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: Zach asks. Once he's out of the bedroom. A Stelle 332 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: goes back to the bedside to check to be sure there. 333 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 3: Was a lot of blood. Everything was blood. She was mutilated. 334 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: Mikayla's gone, A Stelle says. Zach walks to the fridge. 335 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: He chugs an entire cartner fruit juice. A Stelle watches him. 336 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: Then she grabs two cups, thinking some water would be 337 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 2: good for her and her colleague. But her hands are 338 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 2: trembling so much she drops the glasses. They shatter against 339 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: the tile floor, and. 340 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 3: Then the woman ask him, are you not going to 341 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: find somebody? 342 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 2: Zach doesn't answer. Instead, he wonders aloud where the cats are? 343 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 3: She said, find your patents and find the police. Okay, 344 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 3: you find these patents, and she found the police. Because 345 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 3: he didn't find the police, he never touched his wife. 346 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 3: Then you just ask, we must look for my cats. 347 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 3: Where is my cats? And they found the cats in 348 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 3: one of the rooms, opened the door and the cats 349 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 3: ran out. And then you walked outside and went to 350 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 3: stand next to this wall smoking. Does he get it? 351 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 4: His phone rings? It's his father. 352 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: A Stelle listens as Zach pleads with his father to 353 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: come to the house. A Stelle is relieved that Zach 354 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 2: has someone to talk to, someone who can be there 355 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: with him. The three of them wait in the living 356 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: room for what to Estelle feels like ours. Zack inquires 357 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: if the potential buyers are still coming this afternoon, will 358 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: you still be able to sell the house? He asks, No, 359 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: I've canceled the appointment. A Stelle responds. His wife's body 360 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 2: is lying lifeless in the next room, growing colder by 361 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: the minute. It's all a Stelle can think about. But 362 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 2: Zach wants to know if the house will sell. Maybe 363 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 2: he's in shock, a Stelle tells herself. Zach leans forward, 364 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: face in hands. He says, I didn't want to trick 365 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: my wife. Stelle pretends not to have heard that. She 366 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 2: gets up and steps outside. She can hear the sirens 367 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: that are to her relief, now approaching. The police take 368 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: control of the crime scene. They hustle everyone outside and 369 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: begin taking statements and document the murder with photographs. Mikayla's 370 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: parents arrive in hysterics. A grief councilor speaks with Michaela's parents, 371 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: but they're interrupted when the councilor hears laughter at the 372 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 2: murder scene. She turns and is stunned when she sees it. 373 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: Zach and his parents. 374 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: They were standing mixed to him at the wall, and 375 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 3: they were laughing. 376 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: Zach and his parents are introduced to the grief and 377 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: trauma counselor. The family makes it known that they are 378 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 2: children of God and they don't need to speak with anybody. 379 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: The grief counselor notes that Zach's eyes are dry. Zach 380 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: complains aloud that all this is taking so long. The realtor, 381 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: A Stelle, attempts to compassionately explain to him that the 382 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 2: police have to photograph the house from every angle. Oh 383 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 2: so you'll get some photos, just not the ones you wanted, 384 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 2: Zach sarcastically says to an astounded Stelle. Around eleven PM 385 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: that night, the police finally let the families back into 386 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: the house. Mikayla's mother pulls Zach aside. She wants to 387 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 2: know was Mikaela a Satanist. Zach assures her that her 388 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 2: daughter was not. The police find assassination kits next to 389 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 2: the couple's bed. Each member of EPD has their own kit. 390 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 2: It contains gloves, a ski mask, cable ties, knives, strangling wire, 391 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 2: and a handgun. This discovery alone should have alerted the 392 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: detectives that something illegal was going on. People don't typically 393 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: have strangling wire in their bedside tables, but for whatever reason, 394 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 2: the police decide to overlook the matching his and hers 395 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: assassination kits. Before leaving the murder scene, the trauma counselor 396 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 2: approaches Zach one last time, nearly everyone else is left. 397 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 2: She asks Zach if he has a friend to stay 398 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 2: with or if he's going to stay with his parents. 399 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: And he said, now he's going to sleep there. So 400 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 3: he turned that mattress that was full of bloody, turned 401 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 3: around and he sleeped in the same bed that this 402 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 3: was killed. 403 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 4: Unbelievable, no waybelievable. 404 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: That night, after flipping the mattress, Zach puts a clean 405 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 2: set of sheets on the bed. He lies down next 406 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: to the spot where his wife was murdered, and he 407 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: falls asleep. Captain Van Vick was stricken when he heard 408 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 2: the news of Michaela's murder. He's the officer who brought 409 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: in all the members of EPD but didn't have enough 410 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 2: to convict them. But he did have ample evidence to 411 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 2: apply for a search warrant that would have covered Zack 412 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 2: and McKay's house. 413 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 7: We started to compile evidence. She admitted the statement to 414 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 7: a prosecutor. We approached him, he told him of the application. 415 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 7: He told us to give him the document and he 416 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 7: needed a few days to apply his mind. 417 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 2: Those few days were a few too many. 418 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 7: Unfortunately, two days after we gave him the document, we 419 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 7: received the call that Mikaela was Unfortunately, she was murdered. 420 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: Hearing this blew my mind. How devastating. This is one 421 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: of the critical errors that may have cost the life 422 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: of Michaela and the lives of seven others. Unfortunately, for 423 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: reasons that defy explanation, the police remained distracted by the 424 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 2: swirl of coincidence and fears of an occult connection. Enter 425 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 2: detectives susc canose. 426 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: The fact was right in front of him, but their 427 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: attention was drawn to sensation, and you can't investigate like that. 428 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: After the new use Michaela's murder broke, Ria Grunewald finally 429 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: came to terms with the ugly truth she'd been trying 430 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: to dodge. Cecilia was in fact capable of mass murder. 431 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 2: She had to be behind it, all, the threats, the bombings, 432 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: the murders, everything. 433 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: I interviewed Ria, but she at some stage, because obviously 434 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: of being very scared of Celia, she ran off and 435 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: didn't want to talk to the police anymore. 436 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, with one less member, the walls of EPD came 437 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: down just enough to let Luke our infiltrator in for 438 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: real this time. But first he needed to be just 439 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: as guilty as the rest of them. 440 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 5: We spoke about killing Ria Joshua. 441 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: Joshua will neven know how close he was to the 442 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: so many times. 443 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: Fortunately for Joshua, Luke wasn't a killer. 444 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: But then one of the witnesses that was part of 445 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: the group at some stage that brought him to me 446 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: and he was asked to help with this conspiracy of murder, 447 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: and that was with Rhea's son. 448 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 2: Detective Susette officially took over the murder investigations, which coincided 449 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 2: perfectly with Luke's plans to turn EPD in. Things were 450 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 2: heating up at Casana Flats and Luke's loyalty to Cecilia 451 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 2: officially became a matter of life or death. 452 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 5: You know, we're natural time and that course my time. 453 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 4: On the next episode of Queen Havoc. 454 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 1: When we went to search the apartment we had Warren, 455 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: I went into Cecilia's room. I started asking her some 456 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: questions about the Occulton. She couldn't answer me. 457 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 3: I know if they're going to do something now. The 458 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: spotlight is on there, and that's why they stopped with 459 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 3: the killings and stuff. 460 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 5: Actually run from my life. I was almost managed Date nine. 461 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: Queen Havoc and Her Murder Cult is a production of 462 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: Schooly Humans and iHeart Podcasts. Queen Havoc is hosted and 463 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 2: created by me Kurt Kupachick, produced and written by Jennifer Tacchini, 464 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: Julia Christgau, and Kurt Kupachick. Lead producer is Julia Chriskau. 465 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: Story editor is Saren Burnett. Senior producer is Amelia Brock. 466 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 2: Production manager is Daisy Church. Original music composed by Claire Campbell, editing, 467 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: sound design and scoring by Jesse Niswanger. Associate producers are 468 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: DaShan Moodley and Jamaine Kriher. Additional producing by Ben Mellman, 469 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: fact checking by Dennis Webster. Recording engineers are Graham Gibson, 470 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: Clay Hillenberg, and Josh Hook. Brind Stein was read by 471 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: Angelique Pretorius. Executive producer are Virginia Prescott, LC Crowley, Brandon Barr, 472 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: Jennifer Takeiny and Kurt Kupachak. We want to thank all 473 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 2: of those who so generously welcomed us in South Africa 474 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: and shared their stories. 475 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 4: We're incredibly grateful to you all. 476 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: We also want to acknowledge how traumatic these events are 477 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: for the victims and their families. Please respect their privacy. 478 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: If you or someone you know has been affected by 479 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: cult behaviors, there are resources available, including Voices for Dignity, 480 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: at Christine Murray dot com.