1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Training Camp Cast. 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: The Patriots Training Camp Cast is your source for all 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: the news from Patriots Training Camp. 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Well, I do still watch the news. 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 3: Practice is over, but the writers of Patriots dot com 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 3: have you covered? 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: What did I miss yesterday? 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 3: Now here to review today's practice the writers of Patriots 9 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 3: dot com. 10 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: All right, welcome into another edition of the Patriots Training 11 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: Camp Cast. I'm Mike do So, joined by Evan Lazar 12 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: and Paul Perrillo. And guys, we just got off the 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: field from the fourth practice the Patriots have had this summer. 14 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: We made a day off yesterday, and guys, it kind 15 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: of felt a little bit signs of life from the offense. 16 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: I know it's been a little bit bumpy here early on, 17 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: but Paul, I felt like the offense it made some 18 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: place today. It wasn't overwhelming, but there were some moments. Yeah. 19 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 3: I thought the first time we got a chance to 20 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: see some one on one work, and I thought the 21 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 3: receivers did a pretty good job of consistently creating some separation. 22 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 3: I thought Jalen Rager, Kayshaon Boody, a Javon Baker, I 23 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: thought those guys were consistently getting open and making some 24 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: catches in that setting. I think when it got to 25 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 3: seven on seven and eleven on eleven, it was a 26 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: little bit more on even the way we've kind of 27 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 3: seen the first three days. But yeah, signs of life, 28 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 3: I would I would agree. 29 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I talk about Javon Baker because I know he's 30 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: standing out to you today. Yeah. 31 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: I thought he was open the entire practice, and I 32 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: was actually watching him on a couple of the eleven 33 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: on eleven reps away from the ball when he wasn't 34 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: being targeted, and I thought he was giving defenders problems. 35 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: And we've all said it and I feel like it 36 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 2: holds true from what we thought in the draft. Just 37 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 2: an explosive athlete kind of is a little bit twitchier, 38 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: moves a little bit faster than some of the other 39 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 2: guys that have been out there. Nothing against Jalen Polk, 40 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: who's been steady and has been able to eat up 41 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: a little bit of that underneath coverage at times. But 42 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 2: when you look for that big play down the field, 43 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 2: we saw it yesterday from Joe Milton. Today a crossing 44 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: route from Drake May, you just start to see Javon 45 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: Baker pop a little bit here, and I would say, 46 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: you know, after the thumb injury in the spring, now 47 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: we're getting to see him come on a little bit stronger, 48 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: and this is kind of what we saw at the 49 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: beginning of the spring until he started getting limited by 50 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: that injury. So I'm encouraged. 51 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: So let's go through some housekeeping stuff. Just you know, 52 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: Christian Barmore not spotted, wasn't active last couple of days. 53 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 1: We had heard reports that he was sick. He came 54 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: out last practice halfway through and Watch didn't even see 55 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: him today. Marte Mapu though he did still have that 56 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: same plan, came out halfway through watch practice, wasn't a participant. 57 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: Sean Wade wearing a red jersey. We did see Antonio 58 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: Gibson now officially involved in practice, so officially off the 59 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: NFI list. But guys, I go back to Barmore. I'm 60 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: just you know, after that big contract this offseason, we 61 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: know we're counting on him. Paul, I'm just a little 62 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: disappointed not seeing him out there. Hopefully it's nothing major. 63 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's hard to necessarily say I'm concerned 64 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: or not concerned because you just don't really know exactly 65 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: what's keeping him off. You hear illness and you're like, oh, okay, 66 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: well you know he's not feeling great. Well, you know, 67 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: not that I'm comparing the two, but last year Calvin 68 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: Anderson was on the NFI list with an illness that 69 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: no one knew anything about at the time, and it 70 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 3: turned out to be quite serious. So I don't want 71 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 3: to just make nothing of it, but without knowing, it's 72 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 3: hard to to necessarily get in a panic. 73 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, just on a good news because that's kind of 74 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: a downer. We have Antonio Gibson back in practice, and 75 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: we've talked a ton about on the show running back 76 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: depth and a lack thereof behind Ramandra Stevenson and Antonio Gibson. 77 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: So definitely a sea legs practice for him. Felt like 78 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: he was just getting his feet wet in practice. But 79 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: it was good to see him back out there. He 80 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: doesn't look any worse for the warry, so it looks 81 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: like he's gonna be one hundred percent. 82 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and more good news injury wise. We saw Kendrick 83 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: Bourne out there in his uniform, you know, just his 84 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: normal sort of exuberant self. He was bouncing around having 85 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: all kinds of fun. Still a ways away, more than 86 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 3: likely from coming off pup, but seeing him out there 87 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: getting ready with the pre practice warm up with the 88 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: rest of his teammates, I would say that he's probably 89 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: getting to the point where he can see the light 90 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: at the end of the tunnel. 91 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: Now along the offensive line, we did see the same 92 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: combination that we saw last practice, where we have Kaden 93 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: Wallace the rookie on the left side, and over on 94 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: the right side chooks of Corra four. So they've kind 95 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: of flopped things. They've stayed there for a couple practices. 96 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: We know the pads are going to come on tomorrow, 97 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: so kind of hoping that maybe this is something that 98 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: they feel like they can hang their hat on here 99 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: early in practice and go with this unit. 100 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that would be a good development. And 101 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: I did think, and you know, Evan charts all this stuff. 102 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 3: I thought there were more plays today that weren't as 103 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: disrupted by the pass rush as we've seen the first 104 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 3: three days. So I think there was some positive signs there. 105 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: And I probably think it's not a coincidence that you 106 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: had the same five and maybe the cohesion was a 107 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: little bit stronger. 108 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you, Paul I don't 109 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: necessarily agree with the combination, but that's not my job 110 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: to tell them which combination to go with, So I 111 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: don't necessarily agree with the combination. I probably would have 112 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: the tackles flipped. But the most important thing is having 113 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: the same five guys out there. That's definitely the most 114 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: important thing. And go back to an old scarnekieism, see 115 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: it through the same set of eyes. And in order 116 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: to build that kind of continuity that all five guys 117 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 2: are on one string and they're all pulling the rope 118 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: at the same time, you have to start repping it 119 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: time and time and time again. So two days in 120 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: a row now, and then we get into the pads tomorrow, 121 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: hopefully it's the same five and we start to really 122 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: build something there. And to Paul's point, I charted three 123 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: pressures in fifteen reps during team drills. The other day 124 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: it was six and fifteen, so twice as many. And 125 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 2: then granted it's we're using our eyes and judging, and 126 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: I don't have film to watch it back or anything 127 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: like that, so that's all live. But I thought that 128 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: there were some mishaps, but for the most part it 129 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: was much cleaner. 130 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: One more point for me to talk about guys is 131 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: just we mentioned a few of the receivers that have been, 132 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: you know, just getting open, making catches. You mentioned Baker 133 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: had a good day again. Jalen Pole continues to just 134 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: be targeted involved get some catches. I mean he's probably 135 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: been I'd say, I mean, maybe you have it having 136 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: the most targeted guy so far. But the guy I 137 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: just want to talk about not really be getting much 138 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: mentioned as Austin Hooper second tight end. You know, we've 139 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: seen this for a few years now. They've had Hunter Henry, 140 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: who's a reliable kind of guy. We've seen Mike Kasiki, 141 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: We've seen John Hu Smith never really been able to 142 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: find a complimentary second guy. And I don't want to 143 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: buy the foolst goal because let's face it, we saw 144 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: some place from John hu and Kasiki and training camp 145 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: as well. But hey, let's just call it out. Nice 146 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: day for Austin Hooper. 147 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: I thought, yeah, I thought he was active throughout. I 148 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 3: thought one of the best plays probably that I can 149 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 3: remember in all four days was a scene route to 150 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 3: him in one of the team periods today. Just looked 151 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: really smooth running down. There was another ball that even 152 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: caught that was not anything that you would necessarily want 153 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: to see in a game. It's a play that was 154 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 3: kind of blown up, but it was about forty forty 155 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 3: five yards downfield, tracking a ball, kind of high pointing. 156 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: It really athletic play for a tight end that far downfield. 157 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 3: So I do think you're right. You know, we said 158 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff about John Ui Smith a 159 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 3: couple of years ago. We said a lot of it 160 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 3: last year about Mike Kasiki. 161 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: Definitely Kiki. 162 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 3: Hopefully we're talking about it in a different way with 163 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 3: Austin Hooper. 164 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 165 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: The hope is that he's a little bit of a 166 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: better blocker than Kasiki has been throughout his entire career, 167 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 2: and he's got a lot of familiarity in this scheme 168 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: with Alex van Pelt, so we started to talk about 169 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 2: guys learning and having a little bit of an adjustment 170 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: or in a learning curve. He's one of the guys 171 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: like Jacoby Brissett that probably has no problem stepping right 172 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: back to this offense. And you see that that he's 173 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: in the right places and it's in rhythm, and I 174 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: agree with Paul, the right over the middle of the 175 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: field off play action was the cleanest play that we've 176 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: seen the offense make probably in four days. 177 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know anything I missed you, guys. 178 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: I mean I do want to say a new signing 179 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: announced this morning to Ziah Brunson from the UFL, so 180 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: adding some defensive line depth. We think hopefully that doesn't 181 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: say anything about Christian Barmore's health. But otherwise, the pads 182 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: are due to come on tomorrow. I anticipate it'll be 183 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: an active week. We're expecting Wednesday will be the off day, 184 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: so we're thinking two more days of practice, off day 185 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: and then three more straight days of practice. So it's 186 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: not quite real football yet, guys. But the pads coming 187 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: on anything specifically you're kind of looking forward to tomorrow. 188 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 3: For me, the number one thing I'm looking for isn't 189 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 3: necessarily anything individual. It's how Mayo handles the pads. Yeah, 190 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: you know, is it going to be similar so the 191 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: way Bill did, because certainly toward the end there was 192 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: very little contact at Patriots practices. I'll be curious to 193 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: see how Girod handles it. 194 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. I will obviously be looking on the offensive line 195 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: and defensive line now more than we did before, and 196 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: I'll have the trench reports and all that kind of 197 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: stuff that I love doing. But with the receivers, I 198 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: am curious to see how some of these guys that 199 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: have flashed when we get to the pads, are they 200 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: still productive? Are they still flashing? Jalen Rager is a 201 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: guy that I think has been involved and has been active, 202 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: but he tends to be a player throughout his career. 203 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: Looks great in the spring, looks great in these non 204 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: padded practices, and the pads come on and it's a 205 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: totally different ballgame. And we were just talking to Taekwon 206 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: Thornton after practice who said that he put on about 207 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: seven eight pounds of muscle this offseason. He's trying to 208 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 2: bulk up those two speed receivers. How do they look 209 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: once the pads come on and the corners can get 210 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: their hands on them and things like that. That's going 211 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: to decide that battle at the back end of the 212 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: depth chart. Not these practices. It's going to be the 213 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: ones in the deep summer, you know, padded ones. 214 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: Well, pads tomorrow, preseason next week. 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