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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Well, thanks for having me, dude.

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Speaker 1: love this place, Ray, They're so good to us here,

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Speaker 1: and a beautiful restaurant vista over there, really good food.

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Speaker 1: And uh, it's not that far to get up here.

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Speaker 1: You're right. You get past is Aqua, it's like ten minutes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've driven past there a few times for

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Speaker 1: I got myself a new term now, all right, Ray

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Speaker 1: coming off, it was a nice trip out to Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: That place is beautiful, by the way, Mercedes Benz Stadium

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Speaker 1: and Seahawks jumped out to a twenty four nothing lead

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Speaker 1: at halftime and let him get back in the game

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Speaker 1: a little bit. But the first thing I wanted to

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Speaker 1: the road. When they gonna leave, how long they're gonna stay, Like,

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Speaker 1: bust are gonna ride all these different things to try

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Speaker 1: to figure it out, and now it seems like they

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Speaker 1: But also they have I think they have the type

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Speaker 1: of team, the type of play that travels well, and

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Speaker 1: they don't throw the ball a ton, you know, they

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Speaker 1: don't break defense. So to me, it just kind of

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Speaker 1: successful on the road. You know, It's funny. The ten

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Speaker 1: And so you know this year, like like you said,

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Speaker 1: preview from Greg Allman from The Athletic that's coming up

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Speaker 1: Jacobs is gonna interview and play video games against rookie LJ. Colliers.

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Speaker 1: So Ray, I'm glad you're here this week because one

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Speaker 1: the one consistent has been Justin Britt. Yeah, Like he

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Speaker 1: with it. So, I know, we showed up here today

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Speaker 1: So Yeah, the thing about that, Dave is a lot

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Speaker 1: Greg Alman from the Athletic. He'll give us a preview

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Speaker 1: We're here at the snow Kwamie Casino. Ray Roberts and

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Speaker 1: Dave Wyman, and right now we're gonna get an opponent

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Speaker 1: preview from Greg Alman. He writes for The Athletic, Greg,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, Hey, thanks for having me on Hope.

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Speaker 1: You guys are doing well, doing great, and happy Halloween

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Speaker 1: by the way, and did you dress up tonight? Thank

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Speaker 1: the Broadcaster did really well. It's like we're we're just

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Speaker 1: got seventy interceptions in four and a half years. How

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Speaker 1: End Jacob Pollister. Jacob, thanks for joining us. Man. Oh yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Yeah. Are you getting any trick

429
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Speaker 1: or treaterers there at your house? I'm not. I'm in

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00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,360
Speaker 1: an apartment complex. So I put a put a bull

431
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 1: out just in kid, just in case some kids come alive.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think there's too many. Okay, there you go.

433
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Speaker 1: By the way, what's the cutoff for trick or treating

434
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Speaker 1: in your mind? I was asked that today I got

435
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Speaker 1: two kids. What is it thirteen, fourteen, fifteen? What do

436
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Speaker 1: you think? Oh? Man depends. I don't even want to

437
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 1: say how late I was going, but uh, now, yeah,

438
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Speaker 1: I think it's right up there. I feel like I

439
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 1: feel like high school is when people stopped doing it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you went to high school down in Bend, Oregon, right,

441
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Speaker 1: and I made your way to Wyoming, and just to

442
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Speaker 1: get to know you, I talked to you the other day.

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Speaker 1: You also have a twin brother, I do? We actually, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because we went to Nevada out of high school together

445
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Speaker 1: and then we went to Arizona Western Junior College together.

446
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Speaker 1: Also none from there. I got the offer to Wyoming

447
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 1: and he got an offered to Arkansas. So that's when

448
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 1: we split up. Yeah. Now is he on a team currently?

449
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: I know he was maybe on a practice squad or

450
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Speaker 1: something or yeah, he is. He's with the Titans, and

451
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: you have the past two years we're with the Patriots

452
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 1: actually together and then he, uh, he just signed with

453
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Speaker 1: the Titans this past spring when I got traded over here.

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Speaker 1: That's great. Hey, uh, Jacob, we were talking earlier about

455
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Speaker 1: when you play on offensive line and you're asked to

456
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 1: switch positions from guard to tackle, tackle the center, guard

457
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Speaker 1: to center left the right side, like all the intelligence

458
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: and the adjustments and athleticism it takes to do that well.

459
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Speaker 1: The tight end position is like the super Swiss army knife.

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Speaker 1: So can you can you talk to us about the

461
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Speaker 1: mindset of a tight end because sometimes you're blocking monstrous

462
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Speaker 1: defensive ends. Sometimes if in some offenses you're asked to

463
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Speaker 1: trap a defensive tackle and then you're having the block linebackers,

464
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Speaker 1: you have to run past routes, catch the ball, get tackled. Like,

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Speaker 1: what is the mindset of a tight end to be

466
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Speaker 1: able to prepare yourself for all those different duties? Yeah,

467
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Speaker 1: for sure, Um, I think you said it pretty well. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think that you know as a tight end, especially

469
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Speaker 1: when you're when you're learning a play in general, you

470
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Speaker 1: generally want to learn the whole concept. So um, you

471
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Speaker 1: know not only tight ends, but receivers and other positions also.

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Speaker 1: But I think especially at the tight end, you want

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Speaker 1: to be really aware of of what everybody's doing on

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Speaker 1: the play because you know that you could be pugged

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Speaker 1: in a lot of different spots, whether it's split out

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Speaker 1: as a receiver or in line as a tight end,

477
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Speaker 1: or or in the backfield whatever it is. So I

478
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Speaker 1: think that kind of, like you said, you want to

479
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Speaker 1: be a Swiss Army knife of a player and really

480
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Speaker 1: have a good idea of the whole play and the

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Speaker 1: design of it, because you know that you could be

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Speaker 1: plugged in a lot of different areas. We're talking to

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Speaker 1: Jacob Hollister, tight end for the Seahawks, and uh, it

484
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Speaker 1: seems like a pretty cool room. I know Will Disley,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he is he's still coming into

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Speaker 1: meetings because I know he has ye Will still around. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know Ed Dixon I've spoken to a number

488
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Speaker 1: of times. Really cool guy. But also you got Luke

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Speaker 1: Wilson in there. Are you guys a tight group there? Oh?

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Speaker 1: For sure? Yeah, because obviously you know we had the

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Speaker 1: injury to Will and Nick before he Nick before he

492
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: got traded. Also I was pretty close to him. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's one thing I love about about our room. We're

494
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Speaker 1: all really close, really good a group of guys if

495
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Speaker 1: we just you know, obviously with a guy like like

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Speaker 1: Luke two, he keeps it really keeps it really fun

497
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Speaker 1: in there, which is good for me sometimes kind of

498
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: taking myself too serious sometimes, so he keeps it fun

499
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Speaker 1: for sure. And I had that over in theily with

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Speaker 1: Gronk too, so it's nice having that definitely. Oh that's right.

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00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 1: He went from Gronk to Luke Wilson. Pretty pretty similar

502
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: guys a little for sure. Yeah, Yeah, some great personalities. Hey, Jacob,

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Speaker 1: like talk us through what what you would say at

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Speaker 1: this point of your career and what you bring to

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks offense. What is probably your your greatest print

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Speaker 1: and then what is maybe not a weakness but something

507
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: that you're working on and developing. Yeah, I'd say, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, my greatest strength, I think as a football

509
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Speaker 1: player in general, is just my versatility and athleticism and

510
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: ability to do a lot of different things. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: whether that's route running, Um, you know, route running something

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Speaker 1: that I've spent a lot of time on. I've tried

513
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Speaker 1: to I've tried to learn from a lot of different

514
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: guys throughout my career to this point. Um, and I

515
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Speaker 1: haven't had, you know, a ton of receptions to this

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Speaker 1: point in my career, but I feel like I've I've

517
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Speaker 1: definitely had a lot of you know, help from from

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Speaker 1: veterans around me and coaches along the way where It's

519
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: just helped me out a lot. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping that I get a chance to show that more,

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Speaker 1: you know, here in the future, in the near future.

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Speaker 1: And um, but yeah, when it comes to you know,

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Speaker 1: things I need to work on and things that really

524
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: has been great about me being here and coming to

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Speaker 1: Seattle is um, you know, obviously you wan going to

526
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Speaker 1: be an all around tight end and I feel like

527
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Speaker 1: my blotching has improved a lot since I got here. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, technique and want to is a big, big

529
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Speaker 1: factor in blocking, so you know, worked on my technique

530
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Speaker 1: and all that is just something that the coaches have

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Speaker 1: been great, great about here and just getting more and

532
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: more experienced in that area has been awesome. All Right,

533
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Speaker 1: we're talking to tight end, Jacob Alister. I got to

534
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Speaker 1: ask you this, Jacob, and I know that that Seahawk

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Speaker 1: fans want the answer to this question to be He's

536
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Speaker 1: the devil. Okay, But the question is Bill Belichick And

537
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: you could keep it short. Yeah you already knew that

538
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: was coming, But what kind of what kind of coach?

539
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: Tell the fans what kind of coach Bill Belichick is? Man,

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Speaker 1: He's I think he's a lot different um, than you

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Speaker 1: would think he's, you know, he's he definitely puts out

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Speaker 1: a certain persona in the media, but that's definitely not

543
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Speaker 1: who he really is. He's a lot more down on earth,

544
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: really personable guy to his players and to the other

545
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: coaches and all his staff. So he really is, you know,

546
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: a great guy to play for. And um, you know,

547
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: he does things a certain way, and but he's not

548
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: fake about anything. He's very real about it, and so

549
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, his players and staff always

550
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Speaker 1: respect that. Damn it. I was really hoping for the devil,

551
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: but no, everybody here in Seattle for us. And then

552
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: talk about Pete Carroll and you know, are they really

553
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: that different, because I think everybody says they're totally different,

554
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: but behind the scenes, yeah, you know, maybe that's not

555
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Speaker 1: as it appears. Yeah. I mean, I think at first glance,

556
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Speaker 1: you think, like, these guys are are just completely different,

557
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: and you know, in a lot of ways. They obviously

558
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: are the way that they present themselves, but I think

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00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: that there's also a lot of similarities. I feel like,

560
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Speaker 1: you know, you see two guys who are very, very

561
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Speaker 1: passionate about what they do, and they put the team

562
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Speaker 1: first and everything that they that they do and what

563
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: they want to achieve and um, just both really respectable

564
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: coaches and uh, you know, I get the feeling the

565
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: same feeling from being at both. You have you have

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Speaker 1: coaches that you want to play really hard for that

567
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: you just have a lot of respect for. And I

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00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: just get that feeling here with coach Pete two is

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Speaker 1: you know, you have a guy who puts puts everything

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Speaker 1: into it, and he puts, you know, everything that he

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00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: has into the game and do his players and in

572
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: the staff, in the whole organization. So that makes you,

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00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, as a player, really motivated and you respect

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00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: that a lot, and you just want to play hard

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Speaker 1: for your coach. Hey, Jacob, you know, for a lot

576
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: of listeners out there, there's there's young dudes that are

577
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: playing football and they're watching the games and and maybe

578
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: there's someone out that it wants to be, you know,

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Speaker 1: a Jacob Hollister like speak to us about like what

580
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Speaker 1: is it like? You know, do you ever have moments

581
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: when you drive up to to v MAC and you

582
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: go like wow, like I'm a I'm a Seahawk, I'm

583
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: an NFL football player, And then do you ever have

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00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: those moments like in a game when you walk into

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00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: the stadium is and you hit a crowd and the

586
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: noise and the introductions and all those types of things

587
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: like what is it? What is it? Light? Sometimes when

588
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: you when you when the reality of that is hitting

589
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: you all at the same time. Yeah, you know, I

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00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: think that's that's one of those things that I have

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00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: to be reminded of. Um. You know, I was been

592
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: walking on the field and I think at the beginning

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00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: of the year when I wasn't active, that's something that

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00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: I was reminded of is just how fortunate I am

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00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: to be in this situation. And Um, I was able

596
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: to go go back home after our Thursday night game

597
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: and watch my high school team over a Mountain View

598
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Speaker 1: High School, and you know that brought me back down

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00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: to reality too. And I'm just like, man, I'm so

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Speaker 1: fortunate and blessed to be in this situation that I'm

601
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: in because you know, I was there under the Friday

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Speaker 1: night lights and and just wishing and praying to be

603
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Speaker 1: in this situation one day and here I am. So

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00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: it's just such a blessing. Um. And it definitely takes

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00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, family members or friends to kind of mention

606
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: that to you sometimes and keep your head on track.

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Speaker 1: Just just realizing, man, you're in You're in this situation

608
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: that a lot of people would kill to be in

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00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: and and it's so true. It's just I mean, getting

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Speaker 1: to play football for your job is just it's incredible.

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00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: And catching passes from Russell Wilson like like, who wouldn't

612
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Speaker 1: want to do that? You know what I'm saying? Sure, Yeah,

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00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: no question, Man, I've been I've been lucky with in

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00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: the quarterback department for sure. Yeah. You have spoiled there,

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00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: Jacob hit no question. Well yeah, hey, coming coming from

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Speaker 1: two X players, I love hearing that you appreciate it

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00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: that much that that's really cool and we're really glad

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00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: to have you here in Seattle. And good luck this weekend, Jacob. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys. I appreciate it all right, thanks buddy.

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Speaker 1: There he goes Jacob Pollister, what a what a great kid.

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Speaker 1: We had a longer interview with him and uh, you know,

622
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Speaker 1: having a twin brother and just all the stuff that

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Speaker 1: he was saying about like Tom Brady just a regular guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, everybody wants to think of about him as

625
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: somebody different, but really a good addition to the offense.

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Speaker 1: We're coming up next. We're gonna talk to the professor

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna cover all things NFL. That's next on

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Hawks Live, Dave Winman and Ray Roberts.

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Speaker 1: Ray Roberts filling in admirably. He can fill in for

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Speaker 1: two guys. That's how good Ray is. John. We've got

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Speaker 1: Michael Bumpash and Paul Moyer out here usually and we

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Speaker 1: only need one Ray Roberts to replace those two guys. Well, see,

635
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Speaker 1: he played one of the five most important positions. Because

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Speaker 1: sorry to say this day, but when you look at

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Speaker 1: the hierarchy of how guys are paid and when you

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Speaker 1: pay quarterbacks, you pay wide receivers, in cornerbacks, you pay

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Speaker 1: pass rushers, and Ray Roberts the weft tackle. You know it.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the shout out there, John. A lot of

641
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: people don't realize that, you know, like just how important

642
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: that position is. And so you know, I like talking

643
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: offensive line play, but I particularly like talking about left tackles. Yeah, yeah,

644
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: because that honestly, it's like we can talk about the

645
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: value of linebackers, and the value is certainly there. I

646
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: mean you can see with Bobby Wagner, Luke Keikley, all

647
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: those good different guys. But nevertheless, the guys that get

648
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: paid are the five positions, and unfortunately it is not

649
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: necessarily the middle linebacker, is not necessarily the inside linebacker.

650
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: It's going to be one of the top five left tackle, yes,

651
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 1: and it's not the interior of the line. So basically

652
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: what it is the guys on the edge right, And

653
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: that's the thing. You know, the hash marks are so

654
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: close together. You've got wide side on every on both sides,

655
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: and those guys that play out on that edge are

656
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: the most athletic freaks in the world. I always try

657
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: to figure out who do you think, John ash, you too, Ray,

658
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: who are more athletic defensive ends or wide receivers? Those

659
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: are both like places where you get like a Judeo

660
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 1: Jones or you know you could yeah, well it's it's

661
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: wide receivers, because I mean, you got guys that can

662
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: be four three forty guys. You're not gonna see that

663
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. But just go to Walter, Walter Jones,

664
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean Walter Jones. You know, certainly one of the

665
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: most athletic offensive tackles you're ever going to find. And

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00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: you know the fact that he had such great training

667
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: when he was in high school to a point where

668
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: they you know, they put a bus or something like

669
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: that they would have to pull. But uh, you know,

670
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: ultimately the wide receivers have to be a little bit

671
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: more athletic, but as far as just the whole ability

672
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Speaker 1: to do things, the left tackles so valuable. John. No,

673
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say one of the things you kind

674
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: of like giggled a little bit when you said, like

675
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: the receivers run to four to three, and then you

676
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: went the tackles can't do that. Can't be like like

677
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: I was, I can't run a four three job. But

678
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: you know at three hundred pound thirty yards you can

679
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: run well, I mean, occa, duncle basketball, any kind of

680
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: way I wanted to at three hundred and thirty pounds

681
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: after block some of the best athletic people in the world.

682
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: As Dave just said, as I'm going backwards like that

683
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: takes a lot of talent and skill to do. Speaking

684
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Speaker 1: of John, you know, you give him an inch and

685
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: he takes a mile, right, but John speaking of the

686
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: edge right, Uh, you know with bringing in Clowney and

687
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: having Anza uh and now jarn Reid is in the

688
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: mixt I know has been a little nicked up and uh.

689
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: There there was all types of data and stuff out

690
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: now about pressures and sacks and sack rate and all

691
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Clowney is like has one of

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00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: the top uh pass rush win rates, but it's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily trans translating into too maybe even pressures of sacks.

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Speaker 1: How do how does like how do you make sense

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00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: of all of that for Seahawks defense and especially their

696
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: their pass rush. What you make sense of is you

697
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: look at all the numbers, and all the numbers say

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Speaker 1: that Ja Damian Clowney's one of the top six or

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Speaker 1: seven edge rushers in football because he may only have

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Speaker 1: two sacks, but he's got all the pressures, he's got

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00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: the knockdowns, he's got the all the different things that

702
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: you need, and he's right up there. And so he's

703
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: having up to his part. And plus he's one of

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Speaker 1: the most double team guys in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So what you don't see, you don't see

706
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: those numbers coming from Zegi Ansa and after two games

707
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: you're not seeing the inside pressure coming from Jaren Reid.

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00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: Those things have to develop. Clowney's doing his part. I mean,

709
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: Clowney is playing again. Maybe ultimately. When you look at Clowney,

710
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: he's not a ten eleven sack guy, but he's a

711
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: guy that right now is so good at the edge

712
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: that he's one of the best in football and the

713
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: guy that's almost like a generational type of guy. He

714
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Speaker 1: was the first pick in the draft and you look

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Speaker 1: at Okay, so he doesn't have thirteen fourteen sacks, he

716
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have the thirteen sacks of Frank Clark. But what

717
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: you look at with Clowney, all the things that he does,

718
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: he's really good, and it's like he's a guy that

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00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: they need to resign. I agree, John, I think also

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Speaker 1: you look at how he plays against the wrong only

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00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: that you know batted down pass, has got an interception

722
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: for touchdown he gets. He draws lots of holding penalties

723
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, so do you. I guess he doesn't

724
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: really have the numbers maybe uh yet anyway to make

725
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. But what about Pro Bowl players on

726
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: this team? In your mind? Yeah, because I'm looking at

727
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett, Bobby Wagner, Russell Wilson, of course, Chris Carson. Yes,

728
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: because he's he's he's the best after contact runner in

729
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: the National Football League, and he's gonna have right now

730
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: probably eleven hundred twelve hundred yard season, So you would

731
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Speaker 1: have to include him. I don't know if you include

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Speaker 1: anybody on the offensive line. Clearly you're right on Bobby Wagner. Um,

733
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: then you have to start was that Gal. I'll tell

734
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: you what I mean. He probably won't make it because

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00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: nobody knows who he is outside of Seattle. He's playing

736
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: at that level. I mean, he's challenging it because you

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00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: look at the seven defense passes that he's had, You

738
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: look at how tight he's been in coverage. I mean, again,

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00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 1: he may not get the appreciation he should, but he's

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00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: playing pretty close to a Pro Bowl level. Hey, John, Like,

741
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: there's there's been a you know, after the win in

742
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: Atlanta and the way they won, been up twenty four

743
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: nothing at halftime, and then having Atlanta called themselves back

744
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: into the game, and then the next the next week,

745
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: this past week, it's just been a it feels like

746
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: a lot of like negativity around where the Seahawks are

747
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: and where they're headed, or where the capable of or

748
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: what the ceiling is or what the floor is, or

749
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 1: what the strength of schedule is and all these different

750
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: kinds of things. But but the the one thing that

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00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: I would say is that for the remaining schedule, the

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00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: Seahawks actually add strength to other teams that they're planning

753
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: because they have a six and two records. So, uh so,

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00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: how how do you how do you speak to to that? Like,

755
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: how do you how do you get people so far

756
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: out of the deep dive of the data to see

757
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: that you had eight games to play and you've won

758
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: six of them. Yeah, Like like how how all of

759
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: a sudden is that a bad thing? And you're trying

760
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: to make an argument for that it's not sustainable going forward.

761
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: It's not a bad thing. And so sure, the second

762
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: half of the season is going to be tougher than

763
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: the first half of the season. But I know when

764
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: you start to look at the analytics, you look at

765
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: the remaining games, and right now you can see them

766
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Speaker 1: winning at least five and six, and it's like you're

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00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: talking eleven or twelve wins. That's pretty good. I mean

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00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: because sure, I mean the games have been a little

769
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: bit closer than expected. They right now ranked twenty third

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Speaker 1: as far as yards allowed, but they're still pretty good

771
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: as far as points allowed. I mean again, twenty five

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00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: point one. And you know a lot of that's the

773
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Speaker 1: four touchdowns that have allowed on their returns. That's not good.

774
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Speaker 1: Whether there's been an interception return, to kickoff return, unt return,

775
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: all those different things. But overall, I mean, this team,

776
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: I think when you're talking what the record is, it's

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00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: exceeded expectations. Maybe they haven't been able to do things,

778
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: but it goes to the idea that right now, this

779
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: team's more of a bend but don't break defense. And

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00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: that's not accustomed to here in Seattle, because it's usually okay,

781
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: you're top five, you're top ten as far as defense.

782
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: But right now they're accepting they'll give up the yards,

783
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: but they're not necessarily giving up the points. They're not.

784
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: They make the key stops to the key minutes, and

785
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: that's the key thing right now for this team. Yeah,

786
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: and you know they're just a scrappy team. They just

787
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: hang in with their opponents. The other thing I'd say

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00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: I was looking at I mean, there's lots to talk

789
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: about them having a week schedule. Well, there's a lot

790
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: of that going around because you look at the Piltriots there. Yeah,

791
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: their opponents win percentage is like twenty six, twenty two,

792
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: sixty twenty six percent, and then same thing with the Niners.

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00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: They're like thirty three three thirty winning percentage for their opponents.

794
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: And the Seahawks are you know, have had a tougher

795
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: schedule than that. The other thing is Pete Carroll team

796
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: since Bobby and I always call it ABR after Bobby

797
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: and Russell ABR. Since twenty twelve, they're forty four and

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00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: seventeen in November, December and January regular season games. So

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00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: you know, everything that we've known about Pete Carroll coach

800
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: teams is that they get a lot better in the

801
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: second half. Well, and what we can see right now

802
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: here's where the obvious is if they're gonna be I mean,

803
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: they're right now a playoff team. Okay, San Francisco could

804
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: be eight no going into the game coming up on

805
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: Monday night, But overall, if you're talking about a team

806
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: that should be able to make the playoffs, and the

807
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: key is as quick as they can get the four

808
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 1: man rush. If they can get the four man rush

809
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: on defense, which San Francisco has Seattle doesn't have right now,

810
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: if they can get that, then all of a sudden,

811
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Speaker 1: they're challenging the forty nine ers for the division. And

812
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: it's like, you notice, I'm not talking about the Rams

813
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: right now, the Rams on the outside looking in, and

814
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: because Minnesota Seattle right now have the best chance to

815
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: get the wild card and I don't see that changing. Yeah, well,

816
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: and it'll be interesting the second half night. I think

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00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: John statistic are they did? They've already come out with

818
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: the numbers that the Seahawks officially have the hardest schedule

819
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Speaker 1: going forward. Yeah, that's what I saw based on Yeah,

820
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: who they have to play, So, but that's only because

821
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: of the division, and you think about the division right now. Okay,

822
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: so they got Arizona at home, a five hundred team,

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Speaker 1: and they've got San Francisco two games, and of course

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00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: what throws it off as a fact, they're undefeated, and

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00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: so it's not as hard as you would think, because

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Speaker 1: you know, you figure Tampa Bay losing team, Carolina team

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Speaker 1: right now, that's four and three. It's not as bad

828
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Speaker 1: as you would think. I mean Philadelphia on the road,

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Speaker 1: that could be a tough game, but they're five hundred. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the schedule. I can get them to

831
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Speaker 1: ten wins. Yeah, I know you can get them above that.

832
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Speaker 1: Maybe you pick off a team like Carolina on the road.

833
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: Philadelphia on the road, so the road, that's pretty positive.

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Speaker 1: That's how you just said. San Francisco kind of throws

835
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Speaker 1: that out of whack because they're defeating you have them twice,

836
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: because when you take them out of the equation, then

837
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: the schedule doesn't look so hard. You have the five

838
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: hundred teams, a Carolina team that's trending downward like, so

839
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Speaker 1: it's they don't have the toughest schedule down to stretch.

840
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: I can tell you that right now. And it's like

841
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: nobody that an idiot like I am studies the schedule

842
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: as much as I do. Well, John, if you're studying,

843
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: then therefore you're not an idiot. Okay, So let's well,

844
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for the Stanford approach on it.

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00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, all right, professor, thanks, I'll talk to

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00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: you tomorrow, and thanks for being on with us. Thank you.

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00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: There he goes the professor coming up next, there's a

848
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: couple of interesting things we can talk about there. Ray.

849
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: One is Jadeveon Clowney, and I think that's an interesting

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Speaker 1: And the one play I love to talk about was

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Speaker 1: and you know he draws penalties, he knocks down passes,

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Speaker 1: he picks off the ball, he scored a touchdown forced fumble. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've been watching his dude since he was in high

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Speaker 1: I think he could be a thirteen sack dude, if

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Speaker 1: he had a definite pass rush move a plan, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because his move is this is a rush with power, right,

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00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: he does that a lot bullrush, but it's as an

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle. If I know that you're way more athletic

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Speaker 1: you just totally run me over and dump me on

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Speaker 1: my end. It's hard to get off the bullrush to

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Speaker 1: if they resign him here doing the all season, for

921
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Speaker 1: him to really work on using his explosion off the

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Speaker 1: even more dangerous as a pass rush weapon and not

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Speaker 1: just a pressure weapon that he can I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think because he's so athletic and been now because hearing

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Speaker 1: that he's more instinctual the place he's been before. It's

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Speaker 1: we can drop him into coverage, we can line him

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Speaker 1: up over to the guard, we can put him over

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Speaker 1: the center, he can stand up, he can go three

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Speaker 1: points then. So there's all these different things that you're

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00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: trying to get him do, and he does them all well.

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Speaker 1: But I do think that he could be an even

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Speaker 1: better pass rusher if there was more attention to maybe

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Speaker 1: his speed and quickness as the initial move the initial

942
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Speaker 1: pass rush. Well, you mentioned that they have dropped him

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Speaker 1: back into coverage a few times, and I'm like, that's

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Speaker 1: a waste of resource. Yes, And I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: be a defensive coordinator. I've always I've always been kind

946
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: of a not a fan of dropping defensive lineman back

947
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Speaker 1: into coverage because it's not what they do. You know,

948
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Speaker 1: Jared Reid the other day, he had one zip past

949
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Speaker 1: his head. He was, you know, dropping back like a linebacker,

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00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: and he didn't get his head around. The ball goes

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00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: right past him. Didn't end up being a completion. But yeah,

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00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: I just uh, but that's just my one little complaint.

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00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: I promise you that Kenny Norton does a much better

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Speaker 1: job than I do. But you know, it's just an

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Speaker 1: interesting question. And we talked to Clayton about what kind

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're gonna need to see four

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00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,080
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964
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Speaker 1: really disruptive player. Yeah, yes he is. And even in

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966
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971
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Speaker 1: reckoned with. But with Hans's injury, with with not having Read, ready,

972
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Speaker 1: you know, right to begin of the season to develop

973
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Speaker 1: that inside rushing and then maybe you could speak to

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Speaker 1: this better than I can. Dave Bobby Wagner. At the

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Speaker 1: end of games, you go like wow, like he had

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Speaker 1: eighteen tackles or he had thirteen tackles, but he hasn't

977
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: like jumped off the screen like he has in the

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Speaker 1: pass And so I don't know if this scheme stuff

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Speaker 1: because they send they seem to rush Kendricks more at

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Speaker 1: the quarterback and not blitz Bobby as much. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you get the same field that I get.

982
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: But I feel like, man, like where's Bobby, Like I

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Speaker 1: want to I want to see that big hit, that

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00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: interception that I don't know if that's something that you've

985
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: been able to see with Bobby in that front side.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it before the game and Rebel and

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00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: I were talking about keys of the game, and I said,

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Speaker 1: I think two things are gonna happen here very soon,

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00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: very quickly. One is gonna be they're gonna start to

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Speaker 1: get sacks, and the other is gonna be Bobby Wagner's

991
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: gonna make a bunch of big plays, right you know,

992
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: like he had that game last year. But I mean, look,

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00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things is I've complained in

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00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: the past about, you know, do they take on blockers enough.

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00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: But if you watch Bobby, and this is something I

996
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Speaker 1: read about Dick Buttkiss back in the day. I mean,

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00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: he was a big, punishing linebacker, right. Well, the offensive

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00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: lineman all said he's not that tough because he wasn't

999
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Speaker 1: trying to hit offensive lineman, right, he was trying to

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00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: hit the running back. And that's really the point of

1001
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: playing linebacker. And so Bobby does kind of dance around blocks,

1002
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: but he's really good at it. There was a lead

1003
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: play the other day where fullback just an eye formation

1004
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: a fullback and a tailback, and I was watching this

1005
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: play going, this is the difference between me and Bobby.

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00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: I would have ran up there and tried to kill

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Speaker 1: that fullback and not made a tackle, and he probably

1008
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: would have ran for ten yards. Bobby goes up there

1009
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: and just puts this really quick move on the fullback,

1010
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: gets around and makes a tackle for one yard. Game, right,

1011
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: So I mean that's it's just a different style of

1012
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: how him and kJ both play. So you know, I

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00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: think Bobby is he is he a pro Bowler in

1014
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: your mind, or do you think he needs more? Well,

1015
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think if you look at his tackle totals,

1016
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Speaker 1: like they're gonna because yeah, it's gonna have a lot

1017
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: of tackles, So you're gonna you're gonna look at him

1018
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: and go like, yeah he if you if you haven't

1019
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: seen him playing. You know how the Pro Bowl voting

1020
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: goes for players. Sometimes you just see the stats and oh, well, yeah,

1021
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Speaker 1: he's still the Matten ninety nine guy. You know what

1022
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that's Bobby Wagoner. He's gonna get the

1023
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: automatic vote. Uh, and he should. He's earned that respect.

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Speaker 1: But but as a but as a fan and just

1025
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Speaker 1: knowing the impact that Bobby can have on it on

1026
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Speaker 1: a on a on a game, I can't say that

1027
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Speaker 1: he's not playing at a Pro Bowl level. He's just

1028
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: not playing at the level that that I have become

1029
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,959
Speaker 1: accustomed to saying. How he just pops off the screen

1030
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: like you like you said, making plays like that, or

1031
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: how he can shut down the run game by himself,

1032
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: or bat down the ball to get a big hit

1033
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: across the middle, pick up a fumble, get in the

1034
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Speaker 1: San Francisco game last yeah, yeah, or like the Rams

1035
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: game last year here where they bless him a few

1036
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: times and he was like just blown up golf even

1037
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: though he wasn't getting a sack, but he was killing

1038
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: him and that really impacted the game. And so like that,

1039
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: that type of stuff, you know, is what I'm accustomed

1040
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Speaker 1: to Sam Bobby doing. Yeah, and other Pro bowlers possible.

1041
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: Chris Carson is headed for over thirteen hundred yards right

1042
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: now and we're at the halfway point three touchdowns for him.

1043
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: I feel like Tyler Lockett definitely has to be in there.

1044
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: He's headed for twelve hundred yards and eight touchdowns. I

1045
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: can do the math on these easy halfway through. Bray,

1046
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: thank you for laughing, man, I really appreciate it. And

1047
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: then you know, I'm looking at how about Shaquille Griffin.

1048
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: So he's got eight passes broken up? He is playing

1049
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Speaker 1: really well right now. I think he needs to get

1050
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: some interceptions before before he is maybe you think about

1051
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: him as a pro bowler, but he sure has played

1052
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Speaker 1: well within this defense. Yeah, and he's played well in

1053
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: comparison to what he's played in the past. I think

1054
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: he was on your show at the beginning of the season.

1055
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Speaker 1: He's said he gave himself an ad for something like

1056
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: that first something for last year, and which is like,

1057
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Speaker 1: you know, we're all our own worst critics, So he

1058
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Speaker 1: wasn't that bad, especially if you're a good pro Like

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Speaker 1: it's a tortured existence, right, Exactly, you don't ever think

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00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: about your good plays. You think about all the bad

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00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: plays and so but when you look at the weekly

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00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: pro football focused ratings of like defensive backs, he's every

1063
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: week he's in there somewhere like he like a few

1064
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: weeks he's been in like the top five one or

1065
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: one week or so, he was like the number one

1066
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: cover corners. So like if if if guys are paying

1067
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: attention to that type of stuff more and more, it

1068
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: seems he may have an outside chance had been like

1069
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: an alternate or something like you said that the interceptions

1070
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: may hurt him, but but if you watch him play football, Uh,

1071
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: he has done a very good job of stepping up

1072
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: his game from where he was last year, first of all,

1073
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: recognizing where he needed to step up his fitness, his

1074
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: covered skills, his mentality and all those kinds of things,

1075
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: and then going in corrected and improving on it. So

1076
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: he's done a really good job with that this year.

1077
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: How impressive was Jamarco Jones performance in that RAM game.

1078
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: He's a tackle guy, got sent to that old house.

1079
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, look at it. I got. I

1080
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: got goose bumps because Jamarco Jones dave like and I

1081
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: said this on Twitter and and I'm not trying to

1082
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: overpraise him, but I was trying to think of like

1083
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: who he reminds me of, and he reminded me of

1084
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: Kevin MWHI. So when Kevin mcwhy came here as a

1085
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: as a rookie, I think it was a third round

1086
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: draft pick out of LSU who had played center and

1087
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: h but we had I think Joe Taffelmeier. Ray Donaldson

1088
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: was a center at the time, and so so he

1089
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: backed up center, but he played both guard spots and

1090
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: he even played some tackle sometime in his in his

1091
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: rookie year, and he did it so efficiently and effectively

1092
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: you knew at some point wherever he plugged in, he

1093
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: was going to be a really good football player. And uh,

1094
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: and that's what I see in Jamarco. The dude is

1095
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: so smooth and athletic and powerful and he keeps like

1096
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: good power angles, like in his knee bend and then

1097
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: his keeping his pass low in his hand placement and

1098
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: to be able to play both sides of the ball

1099
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: in positions he had never played before. But then also

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00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 1: I think he's as he has a chance to really

1101
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: compete for that right tackle spot next year as well.

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00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: And he took snaps at center last week. This dude

1103
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: I nicknamed him the Truth because he is He is

1104
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: the Truth, and he's gonna be hard to keep off

1105
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: the field next year. Well, and I'll tell you what

1106
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: it'd be happening now. We interviewed him actually today on

1107
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: the huddle and uh, somebody said something about him doing

1108
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: a good job, and he looks him right in the

1109
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: eye and said, I really appreciate that. That's nice of

1110
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: you to say. I'm like, this guy is very for

1111
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: a guy in his second year. He doesn't get rattled. No,

1112
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 1: not very Yeah, very calm. I just I think the future.

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00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought him up because I really I

1114
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: really wanted to to do like three more segments. Yeah,

1115
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: because the dude, I mean, it's just really awesome to

1116
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: watch him play. Dave like he's very smooth. Uh, he

1117
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: plays with power, he can play with athleticism, and looking

1118
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: forward to see him more reps. All right, coming up

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00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: next right here on Hawks Live, we're gonna go inside

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00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: the film room and we're gonna check out three of

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00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: the biggest plays in the win over the Falcons last week.

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00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: That's next on Hawks Live. Hawks's Live every Thursday from

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Speaker 1: seven to nine, Live at snow Qualmy Casino on seven

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00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: ten ESPN Seattle. Welcome back to Hawks Live here at

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Speaker 1: the snow Qualmy Casino, Ray Roberts, Dave Wyman, and we're

1126
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: gonna go inside the film room. Ray. You know, at

1127
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: the end of my career, I was so sick of

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00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: watching film, and now I love it again because I

1129
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: don't have to watch it all the time. But Nasa Choby,

1130
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: our executive producer, puts together clips for us every week

1131
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: to take a look at. Do you feel that same

1132
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: way about film, by the way, you know, tired of

1133
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,479
Speaker 1: it at the end? Yeah, I did. I did. I'd

1134
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: never I could. You know what's interesting? I think I was,

1135
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: like you know how they say Clowney plays on instincts,

1136
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: Like I did that a lot too, Like I could.

1137
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: I could in the game, I could understand where altered,

1138
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: like where I needed to be better. And I didn't.

1139
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: I would sleep through the film most of the time.

1140
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: But then I just told NASA. Last night, I got

1141
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: up and watched the last two Seahawks games and the

1142
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 1: last week's Tampa Bay game on film because I could

1143
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: kind of do it when I wanted to do it,

1144
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: because I wanted to do it, not be though someone

1145
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: was making me do it because you had too. Yeah, exactly,

1146
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: sitting in a meeting room. All right, well, let's look

1147
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: at this first player, and you know, DK Metcalf. I

1148
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: don't know how you feel about him, Ray, because we

1149
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: haven't talked about him, but I feel like he is

1150
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: maybe the best rookie that they've had around here in

1151
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: a long time. I feel that way about Marquise Blair,

1152
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: although I haven't spoken to him, but I've spoken to

1153
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf a couple of times, and DK Metcalf is

1154
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: just mature. He doesn't play like a rookie. And the

1155
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: other day on second goal at the Atlanta four, he

1156
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: made a really heads up play. Metcalf and Lockett in

1157
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: a tight slot on the left side, quick snap the russell,

1158
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: Who's gonna throw inside? Touchdown? Seahawks, Dk Metcalf, Hawks got

1159
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: right up to the line of scrimmage, quick snap count

1160
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: by Russell, and Metcalf was right in the middle of

1161
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: the field all by his lonesome from four yards out.

1162
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: The Seahawks lead the Falcons nine. Nothing. Yeah, And so

1163
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: on this play he came, Metcalf and Tyler Lockett were

1164
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: lined up in kind of a close formation. All eleven

1165
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: players were like within, you know, inside the tackle box.

1166
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: But could tell that first of all, Russell hurried them

1167
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: up there because they were confused defensively, they were trying

1168
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: to switch sides and get a matchup. But then also

1169
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: it looked like there was a little bit of a

1170
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: mistake there where both guys went out and followed Tyler

1171
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: Lockett out to the outside zone. He came Metcalf just

1172
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: like a veteran, just sat down in his own caught

1173
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: probably the easiest touchdown will ever had. But that's the

1174
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: thing that was impressive to me about that situation is

1175
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: that they knew. I think, you know, I think the

1176
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: whole offensive knew that they were kind of rushing the defense.

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00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 1: And then for Dka, right as a ball is snapping,

1178
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: he already has his head turned to the quarterback, immediately

1179
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: making himself available to the quarterback and not just blindly

1180
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: run into a spot and turning round. And so to

1181
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: me that shows like some awareness on his part. But

1182
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: it also, to me may speak a little bit to

1183
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: the workouts that he did with Russell during the all

1184
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: season and just being familiar with where Russell's gonna put

1185
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: the ball where how he needs to make himself available

1186
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: in that in a situation like that. And uh. But

1187
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: the one thing I will say is that I did

1188
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: hear him on the radio the other day say, um

1189
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: he did he wanted to not act like a rookie,

1190
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: so he wanted to call the rookie. And I'm just like, yeah,

1191
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: too bad, dude. For a hundred years, dudes like you

1192
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: have been called a rookie, like for like I thought

1193
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: my first name was rookie like my first year. So

1194
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how will you play or what you do,

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00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: You're gonna be rookie until next year. But no. The

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00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: thing I like about DK is that when you look

1197
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: at his stats for the area, I think he has

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00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: four touchdowns about farther in two yards of receiving, and

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00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: I think they haven't even really figured out how they

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00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: want to use him and having him that involved in

1201
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: the office, yet he's the most targeted receiver in the

1202
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: in the end zone. And so I think I'm very

1203
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: well pleased at where he is right now in the

1204
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: production and what he's brought to the team. The other

1205
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: thing I love about him is once he gets the

1206
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: ball in his hands, he's looking to attack people downfield. Yeah,

1207
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: and so he's a big, physical, physical guy, and I

1208
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: just I love the way he plays very mature guy.

1209
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: Next play, Linebackers love getting interceptions. Man, you asked just

1210
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: about any linebacker, he wants to get his hands on

1211
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: the ball. And on this play, which ended up being

1212
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: an RPO, it was something that I diagrammed on sevententh

1213
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: sports dot com do a little thing called football one

1214
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: on one, and uh, you know it kind of took

1215
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: took everybody through what this looks like what an RPO is,

1216
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: and Michael Kendricks read this run pass option really well

1217
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: and he paid off for him. Stop him shotgun play

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00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: fake looks gonna throw one down the scene gets intercepted Kendricks.

1219
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: Matt Shop was throwing down the scene trying to get

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00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: to Julio Jones and leaping to make the interception. Was

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00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: Michael Kendricks and the Seahawks takeover in Atlanta territory. I

1222
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: thought it was a really good job of him. We

1223
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: were talking to Cody Barton about this. He said he

1224
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: didn't have any outside run gap responsibility is one of

1225
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: the reasons why he dropped. But if you look at

1226
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: both Bobby and kJ they both step up at you know,

1227
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: a couple of steps to check run and rightfully so

1228
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: because they get pretty aggressive blocking on that side. But

1229
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: on the backside, Jake Matthews he sets up and pass blocking.

1230
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit more obvious. And then the

1231
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: other thing is I think Michael Kendricks took a little

1232
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: peek out there and saw something in Julio Jones the

1233
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: way he was standing, you know, And we talked about

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00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: that with Cody. As a defensive player, you can tell

1235
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: sometimes when a guy unless they really sell it. You

1236
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: can tell if the ball's coming to the Yeah, they're

1237
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more extra ready or nervous. Well, it's interesting, uh,

1238
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Speaker 1: my Son Price did Russell Wilson's quarterback Academy that's run

1239
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: by Jake Keats, and both Jake and Russell did a

1240
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: good job of talking to the quarterbacks about looking at

1241
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: the posture of the of the defenders, like what posture,

1242
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: and you can tell like where their bodyline is, where

1243
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: their weight is, if they're dropping, if they're coming, like

1244
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: what they're doing. And so I think, you know, maybe

1245
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: he saw that uh and Julio. But the thing that

1246
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: I noticed, Dave was that he when he I think

1247
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: he had a suspicion that that was coming, obviously somehow,

1248
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: but you can tell that as soon as uh Shob

1249
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: went to the throwing motion, his back pedal accelerated because

1250
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: he knew exactly where the ball was coming, and then

1251
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: he was able to get right into that lane. So

1252
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: he did a lot of dissecting on the move and

1253
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: that and on this play right here, which speaks to

1254
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: the dudes athleticism, it speaks to his ability, it speaks

1255
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: to like why he is one of the three in

1256
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: this core of great linebackers. Yeah, and he's the reason

1257
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: why they're not taking a linebacker off the field and

1258
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: putting a nickel guy out there. You're you've got a

1259
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: better player out there on the field. There's some matchup

1260
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: problems maybe along the way, but I think they've benefited

1261
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: from it. And one of the reasons why he's out

1262
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: there so much is because of plays like this. Just

1263
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: very athletic. And he's really low to the ground too.

1264
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: And you know, here's one thing that I've been defending

1265
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: him on, not that he needs me to defend him,

1266
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: but people have been saying he misses lots of tackles,

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Speaker 1: and Bob Stilton put it like, it's like a short

1268
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: stop with really good range. I mean, that guy he's

1269
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: gonna get to balls that other people aren't going to

1270
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: and it's gonna tip off of his glove and then

1271
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: it looks like, oh, he missed that one. But I

1272
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: think Kendricks gets to more tackles than other guys do,

1273
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: and so the ones that he does fall off of,

1274
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: I don't think any of the other players would be close. Well.

1275
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: The other thing too, is I love that dude's motor like.

1276
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: As an offensive lineman, those are the worst dudes to

1277
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: play against because even when you think you have them blocked,

1278
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: they never think they're blocked, you know what I'm saying.

1279
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: So and so there's nothing that tells them, hey, I'm

1280
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: not gonna get there, and they slow down. They just

1281
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: keep going. It's like a John Randall type of player

1282
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: who just win lose a drawl. He's coming at you

1283
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: with the same effort every single time, so you have

1284
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: to be on top of your game every single time.

1285
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: So I see a lot of that in Kindred's three

1286
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: plays here. We got two with rookies, and I mentioned

1287
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: both these guys that I love, dk Metcalf of course,

1288
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: Marquis Blairs another guy, just I love the way he plays.

1289
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: I think that they need to get him out there

1290
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: on the field, and they're doing it right now. And

1291
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: he made a huge play that was very important in

1292
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: this game. Now he calls it a four man rush

1293
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: for the Hawks. Let's throw inside. The Freeman makes the catch,

1294
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: he drops the ball and comes out. Bobby Wagner picks

1295
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,959
Speaker 1: it up and he brings it back to the five

1296
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: yard line. Davante Freeman was trying to reach the ball

1297
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: across the goal line. It came out the Seahawks recovery inside.

1298
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: The five Falcons are saying the ball was down. Seahawks

1299
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: have the ball play stands. They're playing his zone here,

1300
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: and you know down by the goal line you get

1301
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: you gotta mix it up. You can't play all man

1302
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: down there, and our Kis Blair was kind of up

1303
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: in the box alignment wise and then dropped out to

1304
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: the outside past one receiver off to the corner and

1305
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: then kind of jumped the route with Bobby Wagner. And

1306
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: you could see on the replay it's amazing. It's almost

1307
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: like his brain was going in slow motion because he

1308
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: was like putting his hand on the ball. You could

1309
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: see the concentration and the and the effort that he

1310
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: made to get this ball out. And this was a

1311
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: key turnover. I mean, if they don't get this, I

1312
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: think this is a different game. Yeah. And the thing too, Dave,

1313
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: is like I've heard some people this week say they

1314
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: got lucky with the turnover right here, And there was

1315
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: no luck involved in this. This was all like you

1316
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: just said. Like he first of all came came off

1317
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: his drop. He secured to tackle, and you know in

1318
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: the preseason he had a couple penalties for how he

1319
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: was tackling. You can tell that he has learned from that.

1320
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: So he kind of led with his shoulder and then

1321
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: as a tackle, as the ball care is going down,

1322
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: he is reaching out, like you said, to knock the

1323
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: hand out. There's nothing lucky about that. That was all

1324
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: because of effort and because of a great play that

1325
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: created a turnover. And that's you know, there's been some criticism.

1326
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: Part of the hand ringing this week has been over

1327
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: the defense given up that many yards to Matt Shab

1328
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: But this is kind of a throwback type of play

1329
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: for what the Seahawk defense used to be about. Yeah, like,

1330
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: if you're gonna march seventy yards down the field a

1331
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: twelve play drive, at some point you're gonna make a

1332
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: mistake or we're gonna get a turnover. Well, the other thing, too,

1333
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: is right after the game, I think there was a

1334
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: status said I think since Pete Carroll has been here,

1335
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: and that's been like five times a quarterback has passed

1336
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: for like four and sixty yards and more, Sales has

1337
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: won every single one of those games. And that's a

1338
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: So sometimes you can take the stats and just throw

1339
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: them right out in the window. You know, don't they

1340
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: don't mean anything. Well, coming up next, we'll talk to

1341
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 1: another rookie, LJ. Collier, who was the first round draft

1342
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: choice out of TCU. He's gonna sit down with our

1343
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: own Taylor Jacobs, play a little video games and do

1344
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: a little interview. That's next. Oh, they're gonna play NBA

1345
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: two K twenty twenty. Any good at that? Right? No?

1346
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: They changed up how do you shoot? And you have

1347
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,959
Speaker 1: to use more touch and release and stuff, and I can't.

1348
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: You can give me Steph Curry and I will go

1349
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: one for thirty. We've got to get you playing some

1350
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: of these guys. I can play the football one I

1351
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: have to play mad but the basketball. Yeah, all right,

1352
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: we'll see how Taylor Jacobs does. That's next on Hawks Live.

1353
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,040
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01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: now in Hawks Live Gaming, LJ. Calier. We had to

1356
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: get going. We were we were too busy chatting beforehand.

1357
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: We had to jump right into it. So we'll just

1358
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: right into the gaming, right into the conversation here as

1359
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: we play a little NBA two K twenty. Big two

1360
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: K fan, Oh yeah, yeah, it's my issue. Yeah, so

1361
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: of all the teams, I guess are you? Are you

1362
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: watching still the NBA? Oh yeah, of course I'm a

1363
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: Laker fan. So maybe tell me, oh in six all

1364
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: this year, there we go, big claims. What what did

1365
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: you think after that opening game? I know some people

1366
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: had some thoughts Clippers James. Yeah, Kaitlin is the real deal. Like, no,

1367
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: there's no if fans or buss around. Yeah, dude can

1368
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: play it. I swear he doesn't breed. But you know,

1369
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm not really Lebron fan, but he can't. Lebron James

1370
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: the best basketball player in the world. Yeah, he does

1371
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 1: this for a reason. He's gonna stay calm, We're gonna

1372
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: do what we gotta do. You think he's the greatest

1373
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: of all time? Not Kobe Bryant. Oh, Kobe Bryant. There

1374
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: you go, man, Why Kobe over Jordan and Lebron? What?

1375
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: He's just nasty man mentality. What he does. He's a

1376
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: score man. He's just a dog. And like you see,

1377
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: like just like what's going on with Kyrie Irvin right now.

1378
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: People mad at him. He's just passionate. That's why he

1379
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: went to the next because he didn't want to go

1380
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: someone and join somebody, because he want to do it himself.

1381
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: I fo see it. I don't know, man, He's just passionate.

1382
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: He want to win l JR. With the seventy sixers.

1383
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: Here me, I'm going to Boston Celtics and we'll tip

1384
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: things off here. Bad record for me. So far in

1385
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: this game, so I'm hoping to try and get a w.

1386
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: Dwayne beat me by I think twenty points and we

1387
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: got closer on like Lano and everyone else. But see

1388
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: early bass man rookie year. I'm sure you're learning a

1389
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: lot so far about the game in the NFL at

1390
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: this level. But what's been one of the biggest lessons

1391
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: so far that you've learned this year? Training camps a

1392
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: big deal. You need that, yep, And really, just man,

1393
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: every practice counts because you know Sunday gets too quick

1394
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: and you can't take any day for grady. You really

1395
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: gotta be on your technique. Man, you gotta be technique

1396
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: sound and really the NFL humble me. When I first

1397
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: got your hang on life to you and y'all found

1398
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: out what I really need to work on, what I

1399
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: need to get better at. Just what do you what

1400
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: do you think you need to get better at? Take me?

1401
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: You know this is there's plenty better things. And you

1402
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna take a look at myself after the

1403
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,959
Speaker 1: season and just reevaluate with my team and we're gonna

1404
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: get together. It's gonna do what we gotta do, because

1405
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: you know this is a you know, big pro program

1406
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: and they're used to winning, and you know, I want

1407
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: to be a part of that anyway I can. Yeah, oh,

1408
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: you gave me that one. Ill to say, you gave

1409
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: me that one. There being nice, You're in the locker

1410
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: room and you're in that meeting room with a couple

1411
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: of guys like Davian Clowney and Ziggy on. So what's

1412
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: it like having a couple of veterans like that in

1413
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: that locker room to help in your first ship. It's awesome, man.

1414
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: Those guys are man, they're well established. Man. Just seeing

1415
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: how they work and how they grind and just I'm

1416
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: getting it from all aspects. This guys have been the

1417
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: league ten years, you know, to two to four, and

1418
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm figuring out how they like it and how they

1419
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: get things done and how they do things, you know.

1420
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: So I'm just figuring out where I kind of like

1421
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 1: myself and I can do things. It's just showing me

1422
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: why I need to do it. I'm taking a little

1423
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: bit from everybody. I love that. What else are you

1424
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: taking from the other position groups? Because I know some

1425
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: people don't even think about that, but what are you

1426
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: learning from the other groups out there? Man? Bobby Wagner,

1427
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: just yeah, tell me about that, unreal man, his work

1428
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: as became in kJ Man Russ all those guys. Look

1429
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: how they strictly worked for them, and you know they

1430
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: work hard. They come up here, they don't say much,

1431
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: and you know that's why they're in the position they're in. Yeah,

1432
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: I mean, that guy's ninety nine nine for a reason.

1433
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: I don't think they just give those away. Oh yeah,

1434
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: I don't either. Man. You can just see like like

1435
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: their work ethic and stuff like that. And that's why

1436
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: I was so excited to come here, man, just to

1437
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 1: get to work with those guys. And you know, they're

1438
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: the best in the game for read and they've been

1439
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: the best for a long time, man, Like I ain't

1440
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 1: when I was in high school. It was like a

1441
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: point in time where I thought Seattle was unbeatable. Yeah,

1442
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: so LB, you know, all those guys, tell me what

1443
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,560
Speaker 1: it was like when you got that call letting you

1444
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: know that, Hey, you're you're you're coming up here. You're

1445
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: gonna be a part of this organization. Man, it was

1446
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: just unreal because you know, I didn't think I was

1447
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: going to go in the first round of that day

1448
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: and me and my family were. You know, I told

1449
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: my agent I really didn't even want to, you know,

1450
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: have it that day, but you know, he convinced me.

1451
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: And just for those guys to take a chance on

1452
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 1: me and even opportunity to come here to do this

1453
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: great football team, and it's it's unreal. Man. I love it,

1454
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: you know. I love it here, and I love the atmosphere.

1455
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: I love the environment. You know, even before I got here,

1456
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: people were telling me just the atmosphere out here. Yeah.

1457
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: You know, some guys like man, you get to go anywhere,

1458
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: Man say I was a good place, you know, And

1459
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: I really believe that just because some guys came here

1460
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: this year, j D, you know, Al Ziggy, I'll come

1461
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: from different places in here, and you know, it just

1462
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: makes me want to ground hard and be here. And

1463
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: you know, because I felt like, you know, if I'm

1464
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 1: gonna do anything, you know, why not. You know, Russ

1465
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: is playing unbelievable. He playing the best ball right now,

1466
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: and he's the best quarterback in the league to me

1467
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: right now. Just for watching status stuff like that, and

1468
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: I felt like, man, it's just something you want to

1469
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: be a part of. Yeah, you know, this is why

1470
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: I need to like I need to grab into the gear,

1471
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, help That's what they brought me here to

1472
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: help out, you know, just do my role, and that's

1473
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: what I want to do. Love that all right? Ten four?

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Speaker 1: Start of the second here, LJ. And I guess t J.

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Speaker 1: I'll go buy my initials to that. Um oh, man,

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Speaker 1: come on, can't commit to that? Oh come out? Oh

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Speaker 1: my ball. If you were the coach of the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: basketball team, you had to draft five guys. What five

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Speaker 1: guys are you are you putting on your roster? Oh?

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Speaker 1: That's three. Oh, let's go with it. Malie Turner, he's

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01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: a good shooter. Yep. I'm gonna go Bobby if I

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01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: like he's pretty good. Yeah. George Malague, blahah blah. Be

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Speaker 1: we got my dog, Coach Norton because he came up

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Speaker 1: there and hey, there we go. Don't tell you to

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Speaker 1: coach so far. I like that Coach Norton. He's the

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Speaker 1: last one. I got that jump for it. Man, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna Chris Carson. He had a good jump. Anytime I've

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01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: seen Chris get up there. Hey man, he got that team. Anyway,

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01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: I feel like we gotta saw the squad. Yeah, that's

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01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 1: a pretty physical team. I like that coach us up. Man,

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01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 1: we got what's your coaching style? What's what sort of

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01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: inspiration are you gonna instill in your team? Here? Hey man,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna run the court. Yeah, I ain't keep the

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01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: ball moving, the bottom touched the floor, keep rolling me.

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Speaker 1: So I have to ask this question. You're a Texas guy.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest questions we talk about

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Speaker 1: here in this country is the best barbecue takers? For sure,

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Speaker 1: But I'm I'm the type of guy that like, it's

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Speaker 1: a few places you can go, but I enjoy my

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Speaker 1: dad's barbecue. There you go, what what what does your

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Speaker 1: dad do? What's the specific dish that you just made? Ribbs?

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Speaker 1: Because Michael Risk, you know, but I ain't a lot

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Speaker 1: of the best ribbs I've ever eaten had to be

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Speaker 1: my ain't my nick unreal? I don't know what she

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Speaker 1: puts on. And I went home in May mine curling

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Speaker 1: made a brisk but it was so good you didn't

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Speaker 1: need any songs. It was just straight meat. It's unreal

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01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: man type stuff you want to go home for, man, yep.

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01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: As far as this defense and some of the things

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Speaker 1: that you, I guess you've You've talked about the lessons

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01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: you've learned and the things you want to improve on.

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Speaker 1: But watching these other guys, what's been the most fun

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01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: about watching and being a part of the Seahawks defense.

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Speaker 1: Because you know, it's usually all it's all business, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about those types of things. But what's been just

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Speaker 1: the most flat out fun for you man? Just how

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01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: much everybody's just enjoying life. Man. Just the atmosphere here,

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01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 1: how much Pete didn't really care about, you know, just

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Speaker 1: making it fun here. And you know, I'm not just

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Speaker 1: coming up all right, Well, we're paying so you gotta

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Speaker 1: do this and that. And I've never been anywhere, so

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Speaker 1: I don't even know, but I know it's just come

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Speaker 1: from college where you know, you're just a number, and

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Speaker 1: they see you that, they see you with actual people here,

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Speaker 1: and you know, they try to make it fun. And

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Speaker 1: if you do, if you do your job at a

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Speaker 1: high level, you know they'll work with you know. I

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Speaker 1: like that. Man, Everything's cool, man, I love it. You

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Speaker 1: gonna cat. Oh, my first dream comes at the free

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Speaker 1: throw line in the fourth quarter. Not a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Not a big deal. Which I should do is get

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Speaker 1: a professionally here haven't played. Oh see see, I was

1533
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: waiting for the smack talk to start. It took a

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Speaker 1: few weeks, but here we go. Now now now we're

1535
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Speaker 1: getting into it. Hell, Jay, when you're off the court,

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Speaker 1: are what are some of the things that you like

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Speaker 1: to do when you got home, when you're not playing

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Speaker 1: two K, when you're not smoking fools in two K?

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Speaker 1: What do you like to do? I really just like

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Speaker 1: to relax, man, Just I'm telling you. I'm a big gamer.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just straight like where I played, just like

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Speaker 1: these video games and like sports video games. Yeah, I

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01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: like to play all the types, like as a game call.

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Speaker 1: I switched to PS four because they had got the

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Speaker 1: new got the Word coming out yep, and then that

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Speaker 1: was the kame. They had that Spider Man come out

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01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: on PS four that was awesome. And they got this

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Speaker 1: new uh you know, first person Star Wars game coming

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Speaker 1: out in a month. I'm with fifteen yep, that's in order.

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Speaker 1: It would be pretty awesome. Man watched it for a while.

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Speaker 1: They got an Avengers game coming out where you can

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Speaker 1: play with Black Black Widow. Yeah, you can customize the

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Speaker 1: Avenger so you can like customize what Iron Man's suit's

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Speaker 1: gonna be like and you can customize someone players the whole.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome. Man, Like, I really like doing

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Speaker 1: stuff like that because you know I'm doing this twenty

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Speaker 1: four seventy sixty five and yep, just like something to

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Speaker 1: help me wind down. And did you play games as

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Speaker 1: a kid too, that's something you like to do growing up?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I kind of once I got the college, man,

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Speaker 1: I got more in yep. So did you ever play

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Speaker 1: any of those nca football games? We're a big fan

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Speaker 1: of us telling you before I started playing, uh, playing

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Speaker 1: this like two K my player throwed the board with

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Speaker 1: where it was it. You know, I've never really I

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Speaker 1: like mad, but throw the glory was something different. Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: campus legend, you know, keep it. Why are you to

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Speaker 1: do kind of cheating? You know I created, I create

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Speaker 1: a player. I think everyone did that right. You made

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Speaker 1: yourself at ninety nine. You know you were a freshman.

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Speaker 1: You know I never played my actual position, yeah, running back.

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Speaker 1: But also you know we'll return kids. See if I

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Speaker 1: play a QB number one year with Toledo won the

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Speaker 1: hot before yere you go and went to the net.

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Speaker 1: It's a blowout. It's not good if you're a Boston fan,

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01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: you might want to look away. LJ. Putting in work

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Speaker 1: twenty two take a bow, one of the best to

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Speaker 1: have on two K. Yet we'll try and see if

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Speaker 1: we can get the best of matchup here about LJ.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, ma man, appreciate you man. All Right, there

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Speaker 1: they go, LJ. Collier, Taylor Jacobs. I'd like to think

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Speaker 1: that Taylor is throwing these games just to make the

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Speaker 1: players feel better about them. So well, we'll wrap it

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Speaker 1: what do you think about this team? We've talked a

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Speaker 1: lot about tonight that people I use the term handwringing.

1592
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I guess that means like you're nervous,

1593
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 1: you're worried about you know, you're worried about this team.

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01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 1: They're six and two. Uh if somebody told you at

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01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 1: the beginning of the it's like a bad golf shot, right,

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01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, if you hit it off the sandy can

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Speaker 1: and then it hits the tree and then it hits

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Speaker 1: a rock, but it lands like a foot from the hole.

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Speaker 1: You don't care. I don't care. I don't care what

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Speaker 1: it looks like. I'll be honest with you. Coming into

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01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: the season. Uh, someone asked me what would I predict

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01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: a Seaws record to be. And I started at eight

1603
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: and eight, And so they're they're more than they're well

1604
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: on their way to win more than eight games. Uh.

1605
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: And then when I when you talk about the strength

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01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: of the schedule and what's coming up or the next

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Speaker 1: game and all that, man, it is it is a

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01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: It is a one game season. And so if you

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01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: can figure out in that week and that game how

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01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 1: to win that game, that's that's really all that matters.

1611
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: And and and in that format, I guess all the

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01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 1: other teams we have left to play. I'm taking Pete

1613
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 1: Carol and Russell Wilson every single day. And I've said

1614
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 1: this all week and twice on Sunday, because because I

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01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: just they're they're his street. Russell's ability to to uh,

1616
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: to make plays in the moments that plays need to

1617
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: be made. And then even even Pete sometimes when it

1618
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: seems like he's getting in his own way, like in

1619
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 1: the crucial moments, he more times than not come comes

1620
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: up with the what's the right thing to do? And

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01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: so if there was something I was looking for for

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01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: this week, it would be it would be to just

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01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: win the game and then to shut up all of

1624
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 1: the handwringers and all the all the people that are

1625
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: chasing all the data and the stats trying to tell

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01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: us that there's something other than six and two and uh,

1627
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: and so to get to seven and two, that's that's

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01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: the key stat for the whole for the whole week.

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01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: I think the reason why people do that is because

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01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: they don't want to get hurt. They don't want to

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01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: go all in and go yeah, I'm gonna see Hawk

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Speaker 1: fan and then and then people say, oh, you were

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Speaker 1: foolish to do that. Who cares. Let's say you are

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01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm all in due yeah, So, I mean, and you're

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Speaker 1: right about the one game season, because I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, like we said earlier, and Dama Consuevi Lavante David,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be like that every week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: every week you look at it. But but again, I

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Speaker 1: think we forget we have Russell Wilson, Rabel and I.

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Speaker 1: The Keys to the game is something that we do

1641
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: before the game starts. So we decided that we're gonna

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Speaker 1: start doing a Russell Wilson amazing stat of the week,

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01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: and one of them last week was that they were

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Speaker 1: He's now thirty and seven. He was twenty nine and

1645
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: seven after a regular season loss, which is a better

1646
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: win percentage than anybody is since the nineteen seventy merger.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah. So I mean there's things like that,

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01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 1: and you have Russell Wilson, He's now got what thirty

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01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:41,560
Speaker 1: overtime our fourth quarter comeback wins and so. And the

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01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: other thing is Pete Carroll with Bobby and Russell, So

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01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: since twenty twelve, forty four and seventeen in the regular

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01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: season in November, December, and January. So this team finishes

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Speaker 1: strong historically. Yeah, And like we're I think we may

1654
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: have said this off the air, is that if you're so,

1655
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: if you think that the first eight games it's just

1656
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: a house of mirrors, look at the rest of the

1657
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: schedule and tell me a game that you think the

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01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:09,879
Speaker 1: Seahawks cannot win. Yeah, Like when you look at the schedule,

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01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: you're like they could win every single one of those

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Speaker 1: these games. Like even so there's not a team or

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Speaker 1: a game that you look at and go like, well,

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01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: for sure they're gonna lose that game. And and so

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01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: that's why my money is still on the Seahawks, even

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Speaker 1: with the with the forty nine ers planning the way

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01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: the way they've played. And I'm not a dude that's

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01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: just trying to go with the Seahawks because we're covering

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks. I just still put my money on the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks even in that situation against the forty nine Ers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're right. And then you know, look at think about

1670
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Speaker 1: last year the Carolina game. They will be an unlikely win, right,

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01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's you know, at Carolina, at the Rams,

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01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: at Philly, yeah, even San Francisco. I mean, you know

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Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna have a game like that. So yeah,

1674
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: it's uh, just enjoy the ride, enjoy six and two.

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01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: Every enjoy the ride, and enjoy sending the greatness of

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson send the continued development of DK mattcalf, the

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Speaker 1: unbelievable catches of Tyler Lockett, the physical running play of

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Speaker 1: Chris Carson, the Madden ninety nine of uh, Bobby Wagner,

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