1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: H everyone then your prison go on. Like they had 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: a lot of struggles. 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: It's hard not to attack clear in your life, especially 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: when you have identity questions or you're not we used 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: to be, disassociate yourself with so much of your pass 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: and then you know, for me, now I'm here, but 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: now I'm a home new set of issues. 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: Hey, it's the Descent and I'm Charlie Webster. This is 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 3: Surviving ol chapter The Twins who brought down a Dubord 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 3: Season two. 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: M h. 12 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 4: The Floor Is Twins spent eight months trying to get 13 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 4: out Chappo on tape while they were running drug for 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 4: him in Mexico. They handed themselves into authorities and then 15 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 4: spent the next ten years cooperating for the government in prison. 16 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: Then it was two long days on the witness stand. 17 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 4: Finally El Chapel was sent to prison for life plus 18 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 4: thirty years. 19 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 3: Everything the twins had worked award for over a decade 20 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: trying to turn their lives around culminated at this moment, 21 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 3: and it was finally over. For the first time in 22 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 3: their lives they could look forward to. They're happily ever 23 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: after and on his life outside of the world of peddling, 24 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 3: kilos or the bars of a prison cell. But what 25 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 3: does that actually mean For two people whose introduction to 26 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: the drug life began at seven years old? The cooperation 27 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 3: was over and at thirty eight, the brothers only had 28 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: two years left until they would finally be free. 29 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 4: The government no longer needed them, so their protection as 30 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 4: high profile witnesses was over. After what they had gone 31 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 4: through over ten years. Another two might see music, But 32 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 4: there was one challenge. None of us saw it coming. 33 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 5: COVID. 34 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 6: Who was the last two years any different? 35 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: Fear miserable because they continue to fight to go home, 36 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: and then COVID hit We're in twenty four hours lockdown. 37 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: We'reusually unlockdown in death aspect, and we'll let your out 38 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 2: when we think it's safe, and you're like, how could 39 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: they do that? It was kind of like the ridiculous 40 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: to think that we've been on segregated you know, you know, 41 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: it's set apart from the society for safety reasons and that. 42 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: COVID hit right, But we're COVID free. 43 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: We never been around anyone exposed to coviche, So the 44 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: only people that have been exposed to go with are 45 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: the cards and that's the only way to get it in. 46 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: Is that they're going to bring it into us. So 47 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: they get to go home and every day and come back, 48 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: go home, come back. But where you're stuck in the 49 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: cell and you're back captive again. 50 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: You know, you're you're hungry, you know, you're just in 51 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: that stall, you know. 52 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: And I'll write letters to my wife feeling miserable about 53 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: what she was dealing with on her home. 54 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: I can't explain to you what it's like to. 55 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: Do that, like to write letters, writing so many letters. 56 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: And if I didn't get the mail, like didn't write, 57 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: I feel so sick. My anxiety would be so horrible. 58 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: If I didn't hear from her, they could least you 59 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: know that she was okay, the kids were okay. And 60 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: then the worst part is that these pieces of shit 61 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: he old us, like. 62 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: Do you have to write a book every day? 63 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: Like, man, do your fucking job, man, you know, pick 64 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: my fucking mail, put in the mailbax, Like we don't 65 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: want to read it, Like are you serious? We're fucking 66 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: log down in cord, we have no access to the phone, 67 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: we can't call that family. You're gonna fucking talk shit 68 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: about me right in a letter? This is my fucking 69 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: right to write a letter for my children and or 70 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: worried you can't call home and check and learn my 71 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: mom and everyone. I wasn't allowed to see them talk 72 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: like octour for one hour behind like that plastic shower. 73 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 3: Prisoners nationwide was stopped from seeing any visitors from March 74 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, when COVID first hit the world. When Pete 75 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 3: was finally able to have his family visit seven months later, 76 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: it had to be done through a plastic shower curtain, 77 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: and their time together was limited to an hour on 78 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: the other side of the car. COVID had hit Jay's 79 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: prison early on, so Viole applied for compassionate release, hoping 80 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: he would be allowed to serve his final months under 81 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: home confinement. The compassionate release was denied. The twins were 82 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: not eligible for home confinements for safety reasons. 83 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: The last few months were seen longer than then. Some 84 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: of the time I was like there, and you know, 85 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: with COVID, it's just kind of like made some everything 86 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: a little bit harder, and any other situation, I would 87 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: have been home already. Like because of my situation, I 88 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: wasn't like privilege to some of the opportunities that regular 89 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: inmates had like a happy house or home confinement or 90 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: anything like that. So any other time would have been 91 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: home already worked. 92 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 7: But we filed for compassionate release just because in the 93 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 7: prison he was at, COVID was already there and there 94 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 7: was already like inmates and staff that had it. 95 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: And this was you know, early on, right, you don't 96 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: know nothing about COVID. 97 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was scary. 98 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 3: Around the same time, Jay started to feel sick, but 99 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 3: none of the prison gods believed him. They thought he 100 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: was faking his illness because his compassionate release had been denied. 101 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: It was hard, It was I was so thankful for 102 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: not being sick, for being healthy most of my time 103 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: in prison. 104 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 7: It was probably one of the hardest times of just 105 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 7: not knowing, especially the whole time that he was in prison. 106 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 5: It's like we were there every weekend, and. 107 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 7: Then when COVID hit, we couldn't see him for the 108 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 7: last year, and he ended up getting sick during that time. 109 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: You know, for me to get to that point and 110 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: then being sick, especially during COVID, just made everyth even harder. 111 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 7: They must have thought that because it was around the 112 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 7: same time that we filed for compassion release that he 113 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 7: was like almost making it up until like his whole 114 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 7: face like blew up and his throat, like his airwaves 115 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 7: ended up closing on him, so he was almost incompatitated 116 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 7: by the time they took him out of the prison. 117 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 7: That's how the infection got so bad, and then that's 118 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 7: how he ended up getting acceptis. 119 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 6: I can imagine that must have been so horrific for you. 120 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 6: What was it like for you being in a settle 121 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 6: and struggling to breathe and not being held. 122 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: I think just being like helpless in the cell. I 123 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: just like it got to a point where I couldn't 124 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, like I'm shaking, Like I can't even tell you, 125 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: like what that last week was like, because you're in pain, 126 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: and I'm just lost. 127 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 7: Jay called me one day he couldn't like even speak 128 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 7: because his face and his like everything was so swollen, 129 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 7: like even when he was speaking, like he I couldn't 130 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 7: really understand him. 131 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 5: And I got into this whole rant that. 132 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 7: He needs to sign out of the program just so 133 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 7: that way they can take him to a regular prison, 134 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 7: so that way he had the right to go to 135 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 7: a hospital. 136 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: You know, I was in panet, desperate and I was 137 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: training everything, and I guess it was getting to a 138 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: point where I was like not well, and you know, 139 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: they mean people around me are just trying to take 140 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: care of me. And I just don't even recall. I 141 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: just know that an officer doing his rounds and night 142 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: saw me and I was unrecognizable at this point. I 143 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: was like he saw me, and he saw me, and 144 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: were your face and that he saw me, He's like, hey, 145 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: like oh my something that you know. I just couldn't 146 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: even like I was taking an oxygen. I don't recall. 147 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: I do know that they carried me out myself. They 148 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: put me in an ambulance, and I remember the doctors 149 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: being really upset, like this doesn't happen in a day, 150 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, just because like what, why why wasn't he 151 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: here sooner? This doesn't happen a day or two days. 152 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: It's been going on for a long period of time. 153 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: This is not acceptable, you know. I'm just like at 154 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: this point, just like listen, fix me, you know, do 155 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: whatever you have to do. 156 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 7: Transfer him to another hospital for intensive care. Yeah, another hospital, And. 157 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: I guess they just they got lost the first few 158 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: days that those hospital. But is just not being able 159 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: to talk to my family or know from them. You 160 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: can't communicate so and they can't be there. 161 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 7: They didn't like even know what was going on with him, 162 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 7: like if he was okay, if he was you know, alive. 163 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 7: We just knew that it was really really bad because 164 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 7: like in a prison like that, when it comes to 165 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 7: like security purposes, they don't take you out to the 166 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 7: hospital unless. 167 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 5: You're like almost dying. 168 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 7: So for me to know that, because Jay has to 169 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 7: be moved with marshals and it's like this big, it 170 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 7: takes a lot of work to move him to a hospital. 171 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 5: So it was devastating. 172 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 7: Not being able to know what was going on and 173 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 7: speaking to the attorneys and trying to find out if 174 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 7: my husband was okay, because I'm like, just tell me 175 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 7: that he's not in a coma, tell me he's you 176 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 7: know stable, tell me something, and they couldn't. 177 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 5: And I want to. 178 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 7: Direct access to his doctors. I needed some type of 179 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 7: line of communication just to know he was okay. I 180 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 7: didn't know need to know what has what he was at. 181 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 7: I just needed to know that, you know, he was breathing. 182 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 5: You know. 183 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 7: He spent fifty six days in the hospital. He had 184 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 7: three surgeries. I think Yeah, it was hard. Like you know, 185 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 7: you're alone, right, you're in the shoe like people you 186 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 7: spend time in the shoe and then like solitaries like 187 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 7: that's solitude is is hard, but being sick and kind 188 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 7: of helpless, helpless being in the hospital where you have 189 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 7: no one to like care for your nurture, you. 190 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 5: Your shackle to a bad Yeah, I. 191 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: Have a shackle. Like that's hard. I do remember like 192 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: once I started like feeling like a little bit better, 193 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: like I was being in I was in pain. I 194 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: had too going down like in my throat and so 195 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't speak, and I remember that's when you really 196 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: feel that lone. It's like it's you know, I was 197 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: to have all these like thoughts about wow, like when 198 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: you're like not conscious or when you're in those situations, 199 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: that's when you look for that nurturing mom right as 200 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: a baby, like I remember just having those feeling like 201 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: like wow, this is why marriage and family is so important. 202 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: You're supposed to have someone, you're supposed to have each other. 203 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: And I think that it's just kind of like to 204 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: me was like again just a reminder right of what 205 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: it's like to be alone, you know, and when you 206 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: when you're in those situations, you wonder like this is 207 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna die alone, Like this is what's gonna 208 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: be like, so kind of going back to those times. 209 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: So just going through all that and not having my family, 210 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: not having being able to talk to them, that was 211 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: very hard cause I'm a very like I dependent on 212 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: my family, dependent on my wife. I'm a social person, 213 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 1: and just not being able to talk and just be 214 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: inter paining, just kind of just keeping it to yourself, 215 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: which a lot of people might think, well, a lot 216 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: of people keep thesearch of I just thanks to my 217 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: wife and thanks for me having a twin brother, I 218 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: never had to keep something to myself that was foreign 219 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: to me that I'm kind of suffering alone in a way. 220 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: Jay got an infection which led to sepsis. Because he 221 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: was left without treatment for so long, he spent fifty 222 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: six days in hospital before he was eventually transferred back 223 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: to prison, but he didn't stay there for long. By 224 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: the time he got back, he only had a few 225 00:13:47,920 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: weeks left until he was released. The twins were able 226 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 3: to get two years and two months taken off their 227 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 3: sentence for good behavior, which is the maximum a federal 228 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: inmate can earn off their sentence for staying out of trouble. 229 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 3: It was around fifteen percent. Because they received the same sentence, 230 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 3: they were released on the same day. When they first 231 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: went to prison, they spent eight months in the Shoe. 232 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 3: Now twelve years later they would go to the Shoe 233 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: for the last time. Because of COVID, prisoners had to 234 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 3: spend two weeks quarantined in the Shoe before they left. 235 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 3: On November fifth, twenty twenty, it was time to go home. 236 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 3: Jay was first out. 237 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: What was it like for you when you came out 238 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: of prison? What was that day? What happened on that day? 239 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: I think it was so real. That was that was 240 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: like for sure, Like I couldn't even course, I didn't sleep, 241 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: And as soon as the doors opened, everybody came to 242 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: my you know, they have been saying goodbye, and you know, 243 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: people came just give me letters and and I still 244 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: couldn't believe. It was emotional, believe or not. I left 245 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: a lot of good people behind that. I think that 246 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: you had a a lot of relationships, yeah, for sure. 247 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, absolutely, I think that I guess 248 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: I think I used to just having me right as 249 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: a positive, like let me come to you for advice 250 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: or you know, and just were just like be there 251 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: for them, and and I did worry about somewhere like them, 252 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: what are they gonna do without me? And you know, 253 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: I made a really good friend and I was with 254 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: him for ten years. He was my selling and I 255 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: knew he needed me and he was there for me too, 256 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: Like I remember, I used to go through them hard 257 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: times and I went through a hard situation with my 258 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: family and like we're in the cell and he just 259 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: came and hug me, and I remember like just being 260 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: an emotional and he was like one of those tough 261 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: men like, oh, I'm not gonna cry and I'm not 262 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: gonna And then when it was time for me to go, 263 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: like that day, he was like he cried. He was like, 264 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: what am I gonna do without you? And it's weird 265 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: because this individual is famous for how many brothers he has. 266 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: And I remember he said, I need to tell you something, 267 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: like I never had the relationship with my own brothers 268 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: that I've had with you at and I'm really gonna 269 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: like I'm really gonna miss you, and I'm happy that 270 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: you're going home. Man, you deserve it. It was emotional 271 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: you think about it. He was in my life every 272 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: day for ten years. That was as long as my run. 273 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: So all those people that meant to meet something in 274 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: the street that I knew for within those ten years 275 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: or sometimes less, that I felt close to. You just 276 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: could imagine what it was like for me to be 277 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: with just you know, with him for ten years. And 278 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: he did have a day to come home at that time. 279 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: It was four years, and you know there's people either 280 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: that were not coming home soon or not coming home 281 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: at all. So it didn't kind of weigh. I mean 282 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: it's like bittersly, like you know, I waited for this 283 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: day for so long. I'm more worried about them, like 284 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: you're overdoing it. 285 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: You know. 286 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: He would like say that, like nah, I said, you 287 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: guys aren'ta be all right? You know, I just kind 288 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: of give him a those speech because I'm right hugged 289 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: them and did you give him a little speech? Yeah? 290 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: What did you say? I thank them for everything because 291 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: I think that you depend. That's your family, and I'm 292 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: a family man. We have our own little group where 293 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: it's like that you kind of live with every day 294 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: that you depend. You formed this bond and I had 295 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: begged the staff. They're like, please come get me early. 296 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: You know, like, don't take your time. You know you're 297 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: gonna go home with you. We're gonna be here at eight. 298 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: And they said, your wife is not gonna be on time. 299 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: We're not doing that. I said, listen, yes she is, 300 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: I said, listen. I waited a long time for this, please, 301 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: And they came from me early. They came probably a 302 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: little bit before six am, and they let me say 303 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: goodbite everybody, and just walking down the hallway, I just couldn't. 304 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: That was emotional for sure, like goose toumps all on 305 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: my body. Just even when it was time for me 306 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: to sign off paperwork, I was like, wow, this is 307 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: really gonna happen, and uh, I'll never forget. Like after 308 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: I signed the paperwork, they're like, go ahead, call your wife, 309 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: see if she's here. I was like, excuse me, they 310 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: call your wife. Pick up the phone and call your wife. 311 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: I said I could pick up the phone. He said, 312 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: technically you're not in prison anymore. And I was like, 313 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: oh shit, pick up the phone. No answer, no answer, 314 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: no answer. I don't remember a lot of phone I'm 315 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm like calling like hold on, no answer, no one 316 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: is answering my phone. I'm like, no, this ain't happening. 317 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: And finally I called. She answered, I'll never forget. She 318 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: was like, well, Peter, in an hour, I said, what 319 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: I like, listen. I was so hurt. 320 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: It hurt me. 321 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: I was sitting there like and because of my situation, 322 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: they just didn't want to like They're not just gonna 323 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: put me out the door. They want to make sure 324 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: that I leave the premises safely. And I was so 325 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: embarrassed to you manager, she said, Now, she said, I 326 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: told you. I was like, oh my god, and thinking 327 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: like this is not happening to me. And I was 328 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: like wow, just sitting there and they're like, you want 329 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: to use the phone, go ahead and just call your 330 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: wife back, make sure she gets hurt. And I was 331 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: like oh okay, and called her back. I said I 332 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: could talk to you like on the phone, like wow, 333 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: I don't have to use like you know, the operators 334 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: don't have to tell me I'm being recorded. It was 335 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: like wow, I'm That was the first secum for like 336 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: being free that I felt, which was amazing. And yeah, 337 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: she got there a little bit like an hour and 338 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: towns later. 339 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 7: And I felt so bad because there's like a whole 340 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 7: entourage and everyone has to wait in order to like 341 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 7: release Jay, to make sure that you know he's safe, 342 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 7: our family is safe. 343 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: It's a process which you think it's like arm guard. 344 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: It's like taking you. Yeah, and they waited, and you know, 345 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: now she just has everyone waiting. 346 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 7: I felt really embarrassed, but when I got out of 347 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 7: the car, everyone was like, Okay, I get it. I 348 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 7: broke my foot the night before. I was trying to 349 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 7: like run around the house and make everything perfect. 350 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 5: That's like what I do. 351 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 7: I want to like lay everything out and make sure everything. 352 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: You know what I would tell her, you're so worried 353 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: about everything else that you just focus on what's important. 354 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 7: I just wanted to make sure, like what, no matter 355 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 7: I charged Jay's toothbrush, I wanted to make sure. 356 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 5: He had his like everything he could possibly be, like 357 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 5: his slippers. 358 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 7: Like I was like, my mind just goes to the 359 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 7: most simplest things of what he's going to need, and 360 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 7: I just wanted to make everything perfect for him, and no. 361 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: Matter what it was special. I ended up. 362 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 7: Just running outside and putting up all of the Christmas lights. 363 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 5: It was just barely November. I had the landscapers out there, just. 364 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 7: Trying to make everything so nice for him, and I 365 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 7: ended up tripping over one of the cables outside and 366 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 7: I completely broke my foot. 367 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 2: I was. 368 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: What is going on? And it was it was hard, 369 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: but you know, it didn't take away like once I 370 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: was there and once I felt like like I still 371 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: couln't believe I felt free, like no shackles, no, And 372 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: of course it was a more so all my kids 373 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: were there and we just stood there just crying in. 374 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 5: Tears, crying. It was so sorrey. 375 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: You got to go, like be there, you have to go. 376 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: So I had to jump in the car and it 377 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: was like I still remember my son, you know, just 378 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: kind of quiet looking at me. He was happy at 379 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: a smile on his face, and he can hug me, 380 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I told you I was always going 381 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: to be there. 382 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 6: That's your youngest who had never actually lived with you, 383 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 6: he'd only ever known you in prison, and. 384 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 7: He could not even like comprehend that his dad one 385 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 7: day was going to be able to walk out that door. 386 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 7: Like he didn't even He's like, there's no way, are 387 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 7: you sure? He never thought that he would be released 388 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 7: from prison. 389 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: It twere. I was lost of words, Like I was 390 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: just like this feeling of fulfillment just hard to describe. 391 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: And and they're just it was really emotional and just 392 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: me wanting to like touch them and just you know, 393 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: hug yeah, hugging. 394 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 5: Yeah. 395 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: And you know, I had advantage of being home alossom 396 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: than my brother because of the time different. I would 397 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: turn with my kids and eventually we touched my two 398 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: nieces and so I was like, hey, oh my god, 399 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: like and they're crying, and they were on FaceTime. 400 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 5: They were so excited, they were so anxious, which. 401 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: Is I'm still getting used to the like I was facetiming. 402 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: He could actually see them, and you know, like that 403 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: was different. 404 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 5: Dan was like, this is so weird. 405 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: This is so different, Like this is a weird, and 406 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: I like, this could have made my business so much easier. 407 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,239 Speaker 3: Don't forget that. Jay and Pete went to prison in 408 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, two years before FaceTime existed. Jay 409 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 3: had never seen FaceTime. In fact, when they went to prison, 410 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 3: the original iPhone had. 411 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: Only been out for years. 412 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, the twins started that business back in the days 413 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 3: of the Nokia thirty two to ten. Jay settled in 414 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 3: at home across the country. Heat was preparing to leave. 415 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 2: I can I can even imagine, like the thing was 416 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 2: really coming. I had like a little homemade little calend 417 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 2: that I kept on me. This is a little legal 418 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: paper like that. I just wrote my own own lines 419 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 2: on the days, and. 420 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: I crossed my mind. So when the day came, what happened? 421 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: I sleep. I don't think anyone could leave. 422 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: I was like I had my room clean, I cleaned 423 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: my cell toil, everything folded and everything to grab my 424 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 2: own blankets and folding my mattress and left everything like 425 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 2: WHI should be. 426 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: And I think that every. 427 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 2: Person who's done a long time has that little thought 428 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 2: like is this really gonna. 429 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: Happen for me? 430 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 2: I remember that, like, yeah, it was coming to you 431 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: got your wife can't beard the I think they were 432 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: gonna take some re court whatever to live beer. 433 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: At nine, I was like nine, you know, I'm mad. 434 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: That my brother's gonna be out earlier cause he's you know, 435 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 2: he was in at different times on and they called 436 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: me to the office that I could your wife be 437 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: here any earlier? I was like, yes, she can't, And 438 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: then she was an answerment caller. What m. 439 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: Anyways? 440 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: But like walking out on a beautiful sunnay day and 441 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 2: early and not feeling good. I was down like twenty pounds. 442 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 2: I was downtime one thirty. I had a osama up, 443 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: been lot and beard. You know, we weren't allowed to 444 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 2: get haircut to. My hair was articulately long, and I 445 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 2: remember like pulling the cart out like I had a 446 00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 2: couple of boxes. 447 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: With my belonging. I don't know what to tell you. 448 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 2: The joy for uh to see my family then, cause 449 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: she liked me made it like I can't tell you 450 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: what it was, might cancer, you know, no, yeah, well 451 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 2: she looked more beautiful than ever. 452 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: That's a I couldn't like. I wanted to leave, like 453 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: let it go and find me. 454 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 2: I closing the door, and I was like, I ain't 455 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 2: jump to the back, see cause my sister wasn't the front, 456 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 2: and the kids their own shit just. 457 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: Looking at me. Ag. I didn't want to say. I 458 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: was speechless, like really speechless. That says a lot for 459 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: someone like me who talks a lot. It must have 460 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: been so surreal. 461 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: It was so not really like to think that I 462 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: would be free in America. I would be free in 463 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: the USA, and like back in the States and. 464 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 6: Free cause the last time you were free in America 465 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 6: was when you were like twenty two, twenty three, right, 466 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 6: I was twenty two. 467 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: Se you've not really. 468 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 6: Been free in America in your adulthood. 469 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to say, I can't tell you what 470 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: it felt like, like I wanted to hold my kids, 471 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 2: hold everyone. 472 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: And I remember my kids being around like that, like 473 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: you're really here, like you're not in khakis. Yeah, I'm 474 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: really here. 475 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 2: I could see in their eyes that there like a 476 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: million questions, like it's just like what's next for us? 477 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: Like I remember just something, just just don't knok back, man, 478 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: Let's look forward to our future. And I say that 479 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 2: we could forget that past. But it's just change of 480 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 2: view a little bit because it was such a. 481 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: Long time. 482 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 5: And I didn't want them to literally look behind. 483 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: That's twelve years. It's a long time. 484 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: My kids never seen me outside that present to that day, never. 485 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: See me I eat like a normal food. 486 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: They never really got to see how I smell, see 487 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: me in my without my shirt on, and there were 488 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: like normal kids to see their father or like do 489 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: something for them. My wife just know that what she 490 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: felt to see you, to see him with their father 491 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 2: what it meant to her, you know. 492 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: M hmm. 493 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 8: Yeah. 494 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 9: I see Peter. 495 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 10: He's coming out and he has is like a cart 496 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 10: with the prison guards. So he has a cart like 497 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 10: a book cart, and he has like boxes, and we 498 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 10: were just just looking at him. My god, oh my god. 499 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 10: But it was like almost silence in the car, silence, 500 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 10: like just watching him. He opened the drunk and he 501 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 10: puts his things in there, and then he gets in 502 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 10: the car and it was really surreal to see him, 503 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 10: like just see his presence, just be in his presence, 504 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 10: and the kids were there and he got in the 505 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 10: backseat and the kids were just he was just holding 506 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 10: the kids he didn't know, like touching their hair, and 507 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 10: I don't know. They were crying and the happy and 508 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 10: they were just overjoyed, like just to see just to 509 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 10: finally have them mirror. I was nervous, and I mean, 510 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 10: I haven't been this close to him in twelve years, 511 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 10: almost thirteen years. 512 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: It was really it was really difficult for me. 513 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 10: When he hugged me, I almost felt like I was trembling, 514 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 10: like my body was a little trembling, a little nervous. 515 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 10: I kind of avoided him, like I was like, oh, 516 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 10: I'm gonna do this. 517 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,959 Speaker 5: I want to wash the dishes. 518 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 10: And I was like, but after a while, you know, 519 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 10: the kids wanted to have a movie night. So we 520 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 10: lay blankets on the floor and we put a movie 521 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,959 Speaker 10: on and they were just everyone was just so happy 522 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 10: and and still they couldn't take their eyes off of him. 523 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: Come on, get to the funny part. 524 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 5: Oh, so you know they're young. 525 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: I mean, they're old enough they're going to do something. 526 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: It's funny. 527 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 10: Yeah, they're really well where they're you know, they're really 528 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 10: market and they're. 529 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 9: Like, you left us. 530 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: You didn't even finish the movie. 531 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 10: But they're understand you know, they're understanding, and they're funny. 532 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 10: They're really funny kids. Yeah, really mature for their age. 533 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: Because it's weird that they made it so awkward for us. 534 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 10: And then my sister in law was there and she 535 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 10: was like, leave your mom and dad alone. 536 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 3: Yes, they're talking about the S word sex. The last 537 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 3: time Pete and viv were intimate in that way was 538 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 3: black when they were cooperating in the government offices in Chicago. 539 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 3: Remember the three bees, the first bee, the baby. Whilst 540 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 3: I was talking to Pete, he called his youngest daughter 541 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 3: to chat about the day he came home from prison. 542 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: Hello, how are you? 543 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 5: How good are you? I'm good, thank you. 544 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: I was telling Charlie about the day I came home. 545 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was telling you how you We were 546 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: just staring at using the whole time, and Mom was 547 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: avoiding me. 548 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 549 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 8: I think that we were all like so like shocked. 550 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 8: It was like, oh my gosh, he's out of prison. 551 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 8: And it's funny because like I remember every little like 552 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 8: every little sentence he said that day. Well, when he 553 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 8: first got in a car, like he didn't say anything, 554 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 8: but he told me specifically, like he put me in 555 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 8: the link. He was from my ear, don't look back, 556 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 8: just keep your eyes on like on the road. And 557 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 8: then when he got home, he was just like mesmerized, 558 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 8: like by the house, you know, having a home. So 559 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 8: then like when he he went into the room and 560 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 8: he was like he laid on the bedding and then 561 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 8: like just like tour in the house. And remember he 562 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 8: finally ate no good warm meal because of COVID he 563 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 8: couldn't have warm meals, so like he was focusing on 564 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 8: his food and we didn't really eat. We were just 565 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 8: like looking at him. 566 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: Whole time, just like was that eating funny. 567 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, you were eating You're you're eating good. I think, yeah. 568 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 8: I just really be like, oh my god, this is 569 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 8: my friends mual. So my sister and I really really excited, 570 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 8: like we had like a whole night turned out or 571 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 8: really watch watch of like our favorite movies or whatever 572 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 8: really series. And you know, my sister got already and 573 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 8: I was like, Dad like, mom, lets let's go. And 574 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 8: so my sister and I were waiting on the cash 575 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 8: for them for like five hours. I was like, oh, Okay, 576 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 8: let's just gonna end. I'm tired. He's like, yeah, it's 577 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 8: a pretty cool. 578 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 3: After spending so much time with the Flora's family, I 579 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 3: felt like I'd gotten to know them pretty well. We'd 580 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 3: spoken about so much and delved into their deepest emotions together. 581 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,959 Speaker 3: Some of the things we got into and have shared 582 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 3: on this podcast they've never talked about before. By this point, 583 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 3: I got to know the children quite well too. I 584 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 3: was struck why the fact that despite everything, they were 585 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 3: also close, and the way the kids were with their 586 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 3: fathers and vice versa. You'd never really have known that 587 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 3: they've been in prison the majority of their children's lives. 588 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 7: I would take the children and go see Peter at 589 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 7: least twice a year over the years, just so that 590 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 7: way he was always a part of our children's lives 591 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 7: and vice versa when it comes to Peter's children, because 592 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 7: I think Jay and Peter had this connection to where 593 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 7: they almost feel like these are all of their kids, 594 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 7: all of their children together, one family. And when I 595 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 7: would see Peter, it was like almost shocking to me 596 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 7: because I'd sit there and watch him with Viv and 597 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 7: watch him with the kids, and I felt like I 598 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 7: was almost looking in from a lens. 599 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 5: Which was so. 600 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 7: Weird because I was just seeing me and Jay and 601 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 7: the way that Jay would interact with me, and the 602 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 7: way he would interact with our children, and it was 603 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 7: everything when it comes to body gestures, when it comes 604 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 7: to body language, when it comes to body and movement, 605 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 7: when it comes to conversations, when it came to everything. 606 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 7: And I used to come back and tell Jay like, 607 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 7: oh my god, this is so crazy. I feel like 608 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 7: I'm looking at our family like watching from a camera, 609 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 7: and it was just like unreal to see. 610 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 3: Over the twelve years that Pete and Jay were in prison, 611 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 3: the family, including the kids, spent nearly every weekend visiting them. 612 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 3: With the exception of COVID, and that's only because they 613 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 3: weren't physically allowed to visit and of course a few 614 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 3: months in a safe. 615 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 5: House leading up to their sentencing. 616 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 3: That are fathers that aren't in prison that see their 617 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 3: children less. All that being said, I could tell how 618 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 3: much of an impact what they've been through had on 619 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 3: the children. Because the twins were moved around the country 620 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 3: so much, their families also had to move to be 621 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 3: with them. This meant the kids were constantly changing schools. 622 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 3: It wasn't like they were able to have close friends anyway. 623 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 3: The kids had to hide their own identities. They were 624 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 3: never allowed to talk about their family, where they were from, 625 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 3: or reveal anything about their backgrounds. Their kids had to 626 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 3: be as hypervigilant as their parents. Even now that Jay 627 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 3: and Peter are out of prison, the children are still 628 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 3: hypervigilant about their own identities being revealed and wake up 629 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 3: every morning wondering if their fathers are going to get 630 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 3: taken away from them again. I sat down with all 631 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 3: the children to understand what it was like for them. 632 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 3: This is Pete's daughter again, who you just heard on 633 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 3: the phone. 634 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 11: It was like every single holiday, a birthday, that's all 635 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 11: I wanted. It's friend death, come home. My dad would 636 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 11: always like he always try to be honest with us. 637 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 11: I remember when we were like I was I think. 638 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 9: Four years old. 639 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 11: I was school and I had a friend and I 640 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 11: told her that my dad. 641 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 9: Was in a cage. 642 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 11: I was like really curious about everything because as much 643 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 11: as like my dad tried to explain everything to us 644 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 11: and what he did, I still couldn't understand it. So 645 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 11: I remember like googling stuff and me just like reading it. 646 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,760 Speaker 11: It just all came together, you know, about his whole life. 647 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 11: I think I was like scared to like no, because 648 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 11: you know, I did one thousand and one hundred and 649 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 11: fifty two days with. 650 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 6: Him, fifty two days. 651 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 9: Yes, when he told me, I think I like started 652 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 9: to think more. 653 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 11: And I was like, you know, why would you like 654 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 11: do that you didn't think about us. 655 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 9: I think I became more like I was so upset. 656 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 11: And then having to go home, and then going home 657 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 11: to have to like put on this like. 658 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 9: Costume, you know where your home life is. 659 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 11: Like no one knew anything about my home life, like 660 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 11: at school, like no one that knew always just. 661 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 9: My mom and my brother in at all. 662 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 11: So it was just like having to do with keeping 663 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 11: that secret from like everybody. 664 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 3: It's not just their fathers that the kids are worried about, 665 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 3: it's their mothers too. Within six months of Pete and 666 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 3: Jay getting out of prison, SWAT teams surrounded each of 667 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 3: their houses in the early hours of the morning, and 668 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 3: I WestEd Val and viv on money laundering charges. 669 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 5: My Van and I did a me and Viviana. I 670 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:51,399 Speaker 5: felt like. 671 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:53,800 Speaker 1: We knew what was coming. 672 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 7: We told our children that the Feds would come one 673 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 7: day and they'd come into the house and they would 674 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 7: possibly take us and arrest us and put us in prison. 675 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 5: That was the hardest thing I think we ever had 676 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 5: to deal. 677 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 3: The kids were all home when their mothers were arrested. 678 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 3: We'll get to how it all unfolded in the next episode. 679 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 11: I remember just like waking up in the morning, my 680 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 11: dad feel like try to get up, and then they 681 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 11: put in their haircuffs and they went in the car 682 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:33,399 Speaker 11: and then I just remember so I was like kind 683 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 11: of like I didn't comprehend it yet. I was just 684 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 11: I think I was like I was in shock because 685 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 11: I didn't think that it would happen. And I remember 686 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 11: my dad was like breaking down, and so my mom 687 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 11: told me before she left, just like stay strong. I 688 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 11: got up and I was like, I woke my brother up, 689 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 11: and I just told them, and then I walked out 690 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 11: of the room and I just started cleaning and cooking china, 691 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,240 Speaker 11: trying to make everything as normal as possible. 692 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 3: Surviving l Chapo. 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