Speaker 1: Hello everyone.
Speaker 2: I'm Devin Simone and I'm Tory Deal and this is
Speaker 2: MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: It is the week of a shift in power.
Speaker 2: I mean, looks like the vets are back on the
Speaker 2: bottom and the rookies.
Speaker 1: Are taking control. How do you feel about that, Toy God?
Speaker 3: I mean, there was a lot going on in this episode,
Speaker 3: you know, and I do think it's really interesting watching
Speaker 3: last week to this week.
Speaker 4: You can see two totally.
Speaker 3: Different stories unfold, and I think that as we talk
Speaker 3: about this episode, I think it is important to go
Speaker 3: back to last week and see how the politics of
Speaker 3: the game has flowed, so we can kind of talk
Speaker 3: about the things that weren't really touched on, Because you're right,
Speaker 3: there was like a major shift this week.
Speaker 4: I mean, ultimately it started with me walking into the
Speaker 4: girls room trying to figure out, like, Okay, who throw
Speaker 4: their box on me?
Speaker 3: You know, So it set us up for this interesting dynamic.
Speaker 3: I had thought that I had been working with Desi
Speaker 3: and Chanel. Obviously I found out I wasn't. They thought
Speaker 3: they were working with Michelle, which now leads up to
Speaker 3: this point where it's like, Okay, who's gonna win this
Speaker 3: daily challenge? Because whoever does it's going to dictate the
Speaker 3: next moves in the game.
Speaker 2: On a scale of one to ten, how mad were
Speaker 2: you when you realize that they that Dusty's child had
Speaker 2: betrayed you?
Speaker 4: Is it a sick thing to say that?
Speaker 1: I was happy? Wait? Why? Why?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 3: Because like you hear me say in the beginning of
Speaker 3: the episode, I was like, if I win, I'm going
Speaker 3: to throw them in and I was.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: It would have given me the perfect reason to right.
Speaker 3: And so I was trying to play this game diplomatically.
Speaker 3: And if I would have had power, then I would
Speaker 3: have now taken a shot because there was there wasn't.
Speaker 3: I would have been firing back, so to speak. But
Speaker 3: I didn't get that opportunity. You know, the challenge was
Speaker 3: what the challenge was? I mean, it was called brain squeeze.
Speaker 3: It doesn't even sound.
Speaker 4: Fun, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It definitely like it was hard.
Speaker 3: We had to run through those that temple, whatever you
Speaker 3: want to call it, get all those puzzle pieces.
Speaker 4: We didn't know how many there were.
Speaker 3: We're all going at the same time, crawling under these
Speaker 3: small little holes, breathing in dust. It was a really
Speaker 3: intense challenge and I think that it was really clear,
Speaker 3: which I didn't see at the time, and I think
Speaker 3: a lot of the vets weren't paying attention to how
Speaker 3: much closer the Survivor Alliance was kind of rebuilding after
Speaker 3: the fall.
Speaker 5: Of the Shell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were kind of like the Roman Empire, like
Speaker 2: they were coming which, by the way side, no, I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've heard about that study about how
Speaker 2: guys think about the Roman Empire in a regular basis
Speaker 2: so weird, but yes, apparently ask any guy you know
Speaker 2: listeners as well, and then dm us and let us
Speaker 2: know what you find. But it seems like guys think
Speaker 2: about it a lot. But that's kind of what this
Speaker 2: group was, and that they rebuilt and they were coming
Speaker 2: back the Survivor Alliance and yeah, maybe you guys the
Speaker 2: bets sort of took for granted just how powerful, especially
Speaker 2: because the numbers are smaller now, So before we're having
Speaker 2: just four people in a group where five people wasn't
Speaker 2: enough to sway the house.
Speaker 1: Now that's about half the house pretty.
Speaker 3: Much, right, And I think, like you said, you know,
Speaker 3: you have somebody like Johnny who you look at Johnny
Speaker 3: Bananas in a game and you think, okay, he's got
Speaker 3: it all figured out. When he makes a mistake and
Speaker 3: everyone's kind of following him lead with seven puzzles, you
Speaker 3: go along with it, and you know, the survivors are
Speaker 3: now having to really put their brains on and really
Speaker 3: think about They're calculating where they are in these tunnels.
Speaker 3: Michaela's making sure she's going all the way down to
Speaker 3: the opposite side so she can engage what's over there.
Speaker 3: They're actually working as a collective unit r whereas the
Speaker 3: Vets we were not. And it showed this episode, but
Speaker 3: it also you know, goes to show like, listen, that's
Speaker 3: what's great about this season.
Speaker 4: If the pendulum doesn't swing, who the hell wants to
Speaker 4: watch it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I agree.
Speaker 2: This season is twist and turns at every angle, which
Speaker 2: is so fascinating and fun to watch, and it's i'd
Speaker 2: say one of the most impressive showings of rookies we've
Speaker 2: ever seen. And I still don't know how the season ends,
Speaker 2: but this is probably the first time where I really
Speaker 2: feel like it really is anyone's game, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, yes, sure Banana is still in the game,
Speaker 2: You're still in the game, but who the heck knows
Speaker 2: who's coming out on the top with that, because I mean, Chanelle,
Speaker 2: Mikayla Dead, like, all of them.
Speaker 1: Are excellent contenders.
Speaker 2: Josh has proven himself a million and a half times
Speaker 2: or not Josh, literally not Josh, sorry Josh.
Speaker 1: Chris has proven himself a million and a half times
Speaker 1: in this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's just, well, I love you, Josh,
Speaker 2: but it's true, but Chris has gone down so many
Speaker 2: times come back like it really is kind of anyone's game.
Speaker 2: So we see Chris and Desi take the lead and
Speaker 2: win this daily challenge. Then we go into the voting
Speaker 2: where ultimately they decide Josh and Michelle, which I feel
Speaker 2: like the Josh vote was kind of a surprise. It
Speaker 2: seemed like to a lot of people in the house.
Speaker 2: It was definitely surprised to me. Was it a surprise
Speaker 2: to you?
Speaker 4: One hundred percent?
Speaker 3: I thought it definitely would have been Fussy like Fessi
Speaker 3: or Banana.
Speaker 4: Oh no, not Banance. I thought it would have been Fessy.
Speaker 4: Feessey put him up twice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is an easy reason to be like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go back at you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that, like, you know, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of reasons why he could have voted for him.
Speaker 3: I think that maybe when we talked to Michelle will
Speaker 3: have more insight and he can dive into that a
Speaker 3: little bit deeper. But I do think it was it
Speaker 3: was a shocker to the house. Ultimately, it was a
Speaker 3: shock to see Josh not break through a wall when
Speaker 3: heard the news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about grow, I mean good on Josh.
Speaker 2: He did threaten that if he went in, he's gonna
Speaker 2: come back and wants to throw himself in next week,
Speaker 2: which I feel like is a little much.
Speaker 1: Josh dial it back, but baby steps.
Speaker 2: We're taking baby steps in the right direction, so promise
Speaker 2: to Josh for that. Ultimately we see it become a
Speaker 2: girl's day, and I think it's interesting that, like you know,
Speaker 2: Michayla was sort of politicking that it be a girl's day,
Speaker 2: and Desy as well, even to Bananas and Bananas were
Speaker 2: saying like that's what they already were wanting, was a
Speaker 2: girl's day. I am curious how you manage not to
Speaker 2: get any votes.
Speaker 4: This is this is the interesting part.
Speaker 3: And I think that we don't get to see it
Speaker 3: yet because and this is kind of what I was
Speaker 3: touching on in the very beginning when I introed how
Speaker 3: different it is from last week because exactly you had
Speaker 3: Mikayla in a position where she was absolutely gunning for me.
Speaker 3: You have Mikayla in a position right now where she
Speaker 3: could very easily seecret it'll be put my ball in
Speaker 3: the hopper, and she wasn't. So she comes up to
Speaker 3: me to the vote and lets me know that she
Speaker 3: wants to make amends. And obviously you take everything with
Speaker 3: a grain of salt. But at this point, I had
Speaker 3: already talked to Michelle. I had known that she didn't
Speaker 3: want to go up against Mikayla. It was very easy
Speaker 3: for me to not put my ball on Mikayla. But
Speaker 3: I was shocked because I was almost certain that they
Speaker 3: were going to come back to me and throw it
Speaker 3: my way. But I think when Desi did what she did,
Speaker 3: Desi went out of her way. And you see multiple
Speaker 3: interviews where I truly listen, like I could be biased
Speaker 3: because she's talking about me, but I believe her.
Speaker 4: I think she has a heart of gold.
Speaker 1: I think she too.
Speaker 3: Like I think it's very authentic, and I think when
Speaker 3: she does this, it kind of pivots the way their
Speaker 3: alliance is looking at the way they're playing the game
Speaker 3: for a moment, and by Desi writing that wrong and
Speaker 3: not throwing me under the bus, I think she kind
Speaker 3: of set an example now for also Chanelle and Mikayla
Speaker 3: to follow by hopefully building more trust with me again.
Speaker 3: So I got a credit maybe DESI for this. Are
Speaker 3: they six a Desi aside?
Speaker 2: Are they exceeding mainly Mikayla and Chanell in building trust
Speaker 2: with you? Or you just counting down the days till
Speaker 2: you can fire shots back?
Speaker 3: You know? I, like I said, if I would have
Speaker 3: had the opportunity in this episode, I was definitely gonna
Speaker 3: throw them in.
Speaker 4: One of them. I don't know who.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could have been either, it could have been
Speaker 3: any of them, right, Yeah. But when I saw these
Speaker 3: votes go down and I saw that I didn't get
Speaker 3: any knowing now that we have one more daily challenge company, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it did make me believe like, Okay, well listen, this
Speaker 3: is as far as you can go in the game
Speaker 3: before like we really don't take people to Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, you take.
Speaker 4: Them as far as you can.
Speaker 3: So it was kind of like this last little bit
Speaker 3: of hope that I do feel like, looking back on
Speaker 3: the season, even though we've had her ups and downs.
Speaker 4: In the very, very future, is there a possibility of
Speaker 4: us working together? Yeah, i'd like to think.
Speaker 3: So why don't you work with strong people, you know,
Speaker 3: who win things? And I'm not saying Cassie's not strong,
Speaker 3: she wins things. I would love to work with Cassidy
Speaker 3: in the future too, but mostly people who win daily challenges,
Speaker 3: because then you can avoid elimination.
Speaker 2: Right right, you know all about avoiding those eliminations. Let
Speaker 2: me tell you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I would say, I would say that the
Speaker 3: trust is is that it's built.
Speaker 1: But it's building a little.
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like Mikayla realized she effed up
Speaker 2: and then was I mean, sure, they all effed up,
Speaker 2: but I feel like Michaela was the vocal one who
Speaker 2: multiple times was really trying to like go after you
Speaker 2: and then realize that much like a cockroach, you're a
Speaker 2: little harder to get rid of, and therefore she was
Speaker 2: backtracking Esmage. It's really interesting they didn't show that, especially
Speaker 2: because we see her someone who stands so strong and
Speaker 2: her votes, her opinions or whatever, that she was on
Speaker 2: the back end kind of coming in and that her
Speaker 2: game is a little messy, which.
Speaker 1: Is the same thing she accused Michelle up.
Speaker 2: So then we get to the ultimately the voting, so
Speaker 2: it's Josh Michelle the hopper selects Cassidy. I will say this,
Speaker 2: this is the I felt bad for Cassidy. First of all,
Speaker 2: y'all don't let up. And second of all, she has
Speaker 2: been put down there so many times, Like my heart
Speaker 2: goes out for poor Cassidy, but she manages to pull
Speaker 2: out the wind from Michelle. I feel like Michelle was
Speaker 2: already thinking of her Uber Eats order about halfway into
Speaker 2: the elimination.
Speaker 1: She was just over it.
Speaker 2: Had a bit sad to see Michelle go home, but
Speaker 2: feeling it was tough to watch because I do like
Speaker 2: watching Michelle's gameplay, but I felt good for Cassidy, who
Speaker 2: it just feels like she keeps getting, you know, pushed
Speaker 2: in and all of that stuff to see her come
Speaker 2: out victorious like that. And it seems like maybe she's
Speaker 2: making an ally with Michaela because MICHAELA was trying to
Speaker 2: help her a lot in that elimination, and I know
Speaker 2: it was mainly to kind of get Michelle out, but
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe Cassidy can parlay that into sort
Speaker 2: of an alliance towards the end or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Desy was able to do that with
Speaker 3: Chris this time around, by Chris that there was more
Speaker 3: it does happen.
Speaker 4: You do see alliance as rebuilt.
Speaker 3: I think ultimately it comes down to who's in power
Speaker 3: with who, right, you know, yeah, because you're one person.
Speaker 3: So I think that there's this This episode was a lot,
Speaker 3: and honestly, rewatching it reminded me of how intense it
Speaker 3: was living in the house at that time. Honestly from
Speaker 3: from a competitor's perspective, we count the weeks that were there.
Speaker 3: We know the deadline that we're going home, right, try
Speaker 3: to figure out the schedule.
Speaker 4: We try to look at it.
Speaker 3: We have a pen we have, we draw our calendars
Speaker 3: and we try to figure out how many it is
Speaker 3: are we here?
Speaker 4: Well, we really thought this was the last.
Speaker 3: Elimination, so when we found out we had another challenge.
Speaker 3: And then obviously seeing everything Michelle was going through. You
Speaker 3: see Josh having tears of this episode. Desy has tears
Speaker 3: of episode, like I'm sure more people did and you
Speaker 3: just don't see it. Bessy was definitely crying in the shower.
Speaker 3: That's one hundred percent where he does. And I'm just kidding,
Speaker 3: you know he's not, but.
Speaker 1: Like, no, he probably he is.
Speaker 2: We know, bananas was you know, speaking of Before we
Speaker 2: get to our interview with Michelle. You know, I got
Speaker 2: to ask your gold star of the week and your
Speaker 2: time out?
Speaker 4: Oh week, go okay.
Speaker 3: My gold star is for the camera guy for blurring
Speaker 3: out the banana on Johnny's walk.
Speaker 4: Up to voting. I thought that was so funny. I
Speaker 4: laughed out loud.
Speaker 1: That was funny. That was very very cute. Who gets
Speaker 1: your time out?
Speaker 4: My time out? Listen?
Speaker 3: It should it should be Michelle because obviously she had
Speaker 3: a messy game, right So, but I'm biased because she
Speaker 3: didn't vote for me, So there's no way I'm giving
Speaker 3: my gold star to Michelle. I'm gonna give it to
Speaker 3: Mikayla for airing out Michelle like that and also not
Speaker 3: recognizing that she also has played a game in which
Speaker 3: you know, she's pointing a lot of fingers at Michelle,
Speaker 3: but she could be pointing a lot back at her.
Speaker 3: I'm saying this as somebody who she's gone for multiple
Speaker 3: times in this game, So I would have to just
Speaker 3: go with Mikayla's gameplay in this one interesting.
Speaker 2: I'd say my gold star would have to go towards
Speaker 2: Doctor Desi. I like seeing her get a win. It
Speaker 2: always wakes my heart hearing when she says she's been
Speaker 2: doubting herself in the house, just because I look at
Speaker 2: her as such an epic competitor with so much potential.
Speaker 2: And I like the way that she tries to play
Speaker 2: with integrity. I actually like the way that she kind
Speaker 2: of owned up her f up. Everybody makes those mistakes,
Speaker 2: but I love how she said, Look, I don't want
Speaker 2: this game to take me out of my character. I
Speaker 2: love for that, live for that. So my gold star
Speaker 2: would be doctor Desi.
Speaker 1: And then my time out of the week. You know,
Speaker 1: that's tough. I'd probably say it has to go to.
Speaker 2: Bananas only because this is one one he left a
Speaker 2: banana appeal on the floor pick up your garbage, but
Speaker 2: also but also because he knows better. Like you've done
Speaker 2: this so many times, you know better, and you really
Speaker 2: just kind of let part of your game be dependent
Speaker 2: on this person who you still are figuring out. You
Speaker 2: don't actually know that well. And so I was surprised
Speaker 2: that he did that. And so I'd have to give him.
Speaker 2: Am I really mad or is not? But I feel
Speaker 2: like to no better is to do better Nanner's and
Speaker 2: you know that's not the person to trust.
Speaker 4: I think your goal star and your timeout are way
Speaker 4: better than mine. So let's go with yours.
Speaker 1: We can do.
Speaker 2: It's not a this is not an elimination called hot
Speaker 2: wheel toy. I can't even imagine. I can't And it
Speaker 2: was raining, I cannot even imagine. I do not blame
Speaker 2: Michelle one bit, one bit, but it was interesting to watch.
Speaker 2: This whole episode is interesting to watch and the way
Speaker 2: it gets kind of messy, and I feel like it's
Speaker 2: just gonna get messier. But why don't we take a
Speaker 2: pause and hear from the Queen of messiness herself. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about Michelle Fitzgerald. We have an exclusive interview with her.
Speaker 2: We're gonna find out about her connection to Tom holland,
Speaker 2: we are going to find out about where she stands
Speaker 2: with some of the castmates now and what was going
Speaker 2: through her head this season, as well as some behind
Speaker 2: the scenes. And you were not gonna want to miss
Speaker 2: this at all. We're getting that much closer to the
Speaker 2: final y'all, So grab a snack, some treats. Whatever, Buckle
Speaker 2: up because we have Michelle Fitzgerald coming up next. She
Speaker 2: is a two time Survivor finalist and winner, four time Challenger,
Speaker 2: the Queen of the Michelle Down, and someone who is
Speaker 2: just fun to watch and talk to you all around.
Speaker 2: Please give it up for Michelle Fitzgerald. Woo Welcome Michelle.
Speaker 2: We're so happy to have you here.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 6: I'm so excited to be here again. Always a pleasure
Speaker 6: to join you girls. Good.
Speaker 2: How are you feeling because you came in nervous when
Speaker 2: we first jumped on to record this episode, you were
Speaker 2: giving a nervous energy around.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't know whether it was being on the podcast
Speaker 2: or just how your game has played out this season,
Speaker 2: But what exactly what were you most nervous about or
Speaker 2: what are you nervous about?
Speaker 6: I still feel nervous even right now talking about anything
Speaker 6: and any reason, any decision ever in my life, I'm nervous.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean, I just I just love to
Speaker 6: light myself on fire and watch it all. Yeah, this
Speaker 6: should probably just be on par with that, So I
Speaker 6: assume this is beyond brand.
Speaker 3: Well, since you're talking about letting yourself on fire, now,
Speaker 3: this is a stretch what I'm trying to connect to here,
Speaker 3: But that means you're hot, right, And who else thinks
Speaker 3: you're hot, or at least thinks your gameplay is Tom Holland. Yes,
Speaker 3: how does it feel to be Tom Holland's favorite Survivor competitor?
Speaker 6: I peeked out when I heard that.
Speaker 5: I literally went around.
Speaker 6: I was filming when I found that out for thirty nine,
Speaker 6: and I ran around to every sale person using no
Speaker 6: pieces of information when you're in that house. So having
Speaker 6: something like that to brag that, I went up to
Speaker 6: everybody like ten times over, and I was like, guys,
Speaker 6: Tom Holland as a fan, you know, like Sendaya's boyfriend,
Speaker 6: you know, Spider.
Speaker 5: Man, you know the guy. I was like, I don't
Speaker 5: care if everybody else hates me. Tom Holland loves me, Dude,
Speaker 5: that's a fact.
Speaker 3: And I think that that like, and I can't even
Speaker 3: I know what it's like to be in the house
Speaker 3: and have literally nothing to talk about and have it
Speaker 3: be super stressful. Obviously we got a glimpse of that
Speaker 3: with this entire episode. So let's just go back to
Speaker 3: the beginning of your season this time around. Obviously, you
Speaker 3: were in a very blessed position, which you knew was
Speaker 3: eventually going to come with having to pick a side. So,
Speaker 3: looking back on it all, did you think it was
Speaker 3: going to last as long as it did, that you'd
Speaker 3: be able to ride both alliances?
Speaker 6: To be honest, No, I was surprised that it lasted
Speaker 6: as long as it did. And there was definitely moments
Speaker 6: in middle, specifically surrounding like around when West was under
Speaker 6: in the hot seat, where it was kind of like,
Speaker 6: you know, Corey was like, West is really saying, like,
Speaker 6: you have to pick.
Speaker 5: A side, choose side.
Speaker 6: I'm like, if they feel that I need to pick
Speaker 6: a side right now, then they're not the side for
Speaker 6: me because the other side isn't asking me to pick
Speaker 6: a side. So I was kind of just like the
Speaker 6: fact that it all went from like targeting the vets
Speaker 6: and then a lot of the vets that I didn't
Speaker 6: want to work with left, and the Vets that I
Speaker 6: did want to work with stayed, and then it kind
Speaker 6: of shifted to this polarization between the survivor and Big Brother.
Speaker 5: It was like perfect timing, shifting attention.
Speaker 6: Off of you guys that I wanted to work with
Speaker 6: onto people who I wasn't working with so like the
Speaker 6: way that the game kind of shuffled up up always
Speaker 6: just happened to sort of be to my advantage. And
Speaker 6: then as we see, when I really had to like
Speaker 6: figure it out, I didn't figure it out. I couldn't
Speaker 6: figure it out, and so I got myself in the
Speaker 6: hot seat.
Speaker 1: So I mean, but was that you not figuring it out?
Speaker 2: I feel like at that point it was sort of
Speaker 2: you had a fifty to fifty chance, right because you
Speaker 2: did have to pick a side, so it could have
Speaker 2: either worked in your favor or it didn't. It wasn't
Speaker 2: so much of as messy at that point as much as, like,
Speaker 2: you know, you kind of flip a coin and you
Speaker 2: gotta go with whichever direction you go.
Speaker 1: But and I love the overview you just gave, but
Speaker 1: we really.
Speaker 2: Want to know how the hell did you manage to
Speaker 2: get it to go so long? Like real, what were
Speaker 2: you telling people in the back office, in the back
Speaker 2: room in the dungeon, as we've heard about to manage
Speaker 2: because everyone, it seems at a point everyone realized that
Speaker 2: you were playing both sides, and yet no one seemed
Speaker 2: to really be coming at you for it that much.
Speaker 2: And they say that you were, you know, really good
Speaker 2: at maneuvering you know, emotions and reading people and all
Speaker 2: of that. Like, what are say, even two like secret
Speaker 2: ingredients to the Michelle gameplay of managing to keep both
Speaker 2: sides off your back for so long.
Speaker 6: Well, I think to a degree, Like I know with Toy,
Speaker 6: like a lot of the times I was really like,
Speaker 6: I have these relationships with Survivor.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to hide that, so like I.
Speaker 6: Think just being yeah, really honest about the fact that,
Speaker 6: like when Survivors would ask me who my number one
Speaker 6: alliance was, like I pretty much was open about the
Speaker 6: fact that it was Bessie for the guys and for
Speaker 6: the girls, I was just kind of like, I don't,
Speaker 6: I don't really know, so like I never really pretended
Speaker 6: that I wasn't And I think that for the most part,
Speaker 6: it was also to Survivor and the Vet's advantage to
Speaker 6: have me there still, So I think it wasn't really
Speaker 6: a much me maneuvering so much as like I could
Speaker 6: keep survive most of Survivor's name out of the hot
Speaker 6: seat with the Vets, and I could keep the Vet's
Speaker 6: name sort of out of Survivor's mouth. So I was
Speaker 6: kind of doing playing that middle ground where everybody sought
Speaker 6: to be advantageous to be working with me, And I
Speaker 6: think that that was Yeah, I think that that's kind
Speaker 6: of the sweet spot. And I wasn't really a threat
Speaker 6: to anybody, Clearly, I'm not the most io, the most physically,
Speaker 6: like you know, big competitors, So I think everybody was
Speaker 6: just kind of like, yeah, you know what, she's not
Speaker 6: bothering anyone, just let her go do her thing.
Speaker 3: So and also, like we have known you, or at least
Speaker 3: a lot of us have known you for so long, right,
Speaker 3: Like we've played multiple seasons with you, we know your heart,
Speaker 3: we've kind of seen the ups and downs of your
Speaker 3: gameplay over years, at least the challenge Vets have. So
Speaker 3: do you think, like, if you could go back to
Speaker 3: day one and you had to make the decision of
Speaker 3: which alliance you would have worked with, would it have
Speaker 3: been the Vets because you would have known us, or
Speaker 3: do you think that you would have found us much
Speaker 3: more of a threat and decided to stick with Survivor
Speaker 3: early on?
Speaker 5: I honestly don't know.
Speaker 6: I think that why I found myself in such a
Speaker 6: tricky situation is because I do know you guys, so
Speaker 6: I feel I have a more personal relationship with you guys.
Speaker 6: I've lived with every single one of the vets before,
Speaker 6: with the exception of Wesh and Johnnah. So I've never
Speaker 6: met most of these survivors before, and if I have,
Speaker 6: it's been in passing at maybe one event or I've
Speaker 6: heard their names. But I have a responsibility, and like
Speaker 6: how I feel is that I have a responsibility to
Speaker 6: the Survivor community as a whole. I've went into the
Speaker 6: Challenge world and a lot of these people, like I
Speaker 6: wanted to handhle them through the process of entering this
Speaker 6: new realm for them, and I wanted to make sure
Speaker 6: that it was a good experience and that they did
Speaker 6: last as long as they could. So I was really
Speaker 6: torn between like my actual friends that I felt, and
Speaker 6: then also like this community that I've cultivated for almost.
Speaker 5: Ten years of my life, which is the Survivor community.
Speaker 6: You know, a lot of them have watched me play,
Speaker 6: looked up to me, have been rookies in the most
Speaker 6: recent season. So like, I was really kind of torn
Speaker 6: between both, and I didn't know the right answer.
Speaker 2: In three words, Michelle, how would you describe your gameplay.
Speaker 5: I would say, emotional, social, and.
Speaker 2: Adaptable, okay, and walk us through not voting for Tory
Speaker 2: lest So ultimately, when your feet were kind of held
Speaker 2: to the firing you, you know, the numbers of dwindled
Speaker 2: down in this game, you do kind of have to
Speaker 2: make a choice, and you choose not to vote for Tori,
Speaker 2: knowing that that's going to kind of show your hand,
Speaker 2: right or you're kind of like drawing a line in
Speaker 2: the sand with the Survivor girls. Can you share with
Speaker 2: us your thought process behind that decision.
Speaker 6: There were so many reasons that I made that decision. Honestly,
Speaker 6: it wasn't as simple as like, oh, like one singular
Speaker 6: thing like of course I have a relationship with Tori,
Speaker 6: and that you know, the entire game, I never once
Speaker 6: had to question her loyalty at any point to me,
Speaker 6: and I really really loved that and appreciated that and
Speaker 6: wanted to give it back. Same with Cassidy, to be
Speaker 6: perfectly honest, And if I had nominated Toy, it would
Speaker 6: have been also a shot at Cassidy. So that was,
Speaker 6: you know, one portion of my thinking. Also, simultaneously, a
Speaker 6: lot of the guys that I had been working with
Speaker 6: felt like they needed it to be a guy's day.
Speaker 5: They really wanted that, and.
Speaker 6: So I was kind of letting that also influence my
Speaker 6: decision making. And what really isn't seen is that when
Speaker 6: Michaela won last episode, she was really trying to throw
Speaker 6: any girl like in the hot seat so that it
Speaker 6: would be a girl's day. And I felt like she
Speaker 6: was not getting any of the heat that you know
Speaker 6: that comes with that.
Speaker 5: She was throwing the bus, Assi ender, the bus, whatever.
Speaker 6: So she like to me, it was almost just an
Speaker 6: active rebellion against what Mikhayela wanted.
Speaker 2: When you said she was throwing Desi under the bus,
Speaker 2: Chanelle into the bus, how is Michaela throwing them under
Speaker 2: the bus the week prior.
Speaker 6: When she won, Like the week prior when she had
Speaker 6: won her her goal was to get toy as the
Speaker 6: main vote, right, and then wanted to get a strong
Speaker 6: woman out right. So she went up to them and
Speaker 6: was like, I wanted it to be toy so I
Speaker 6: can get a shan person out And Dessie and Schanelle
Speaker 6: are like, okay, that's me, And for me, I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: like okay, they just let Mikayla get away with just whatever.
Speaker 6: McKayle get away with and she's again pitching another girl's week.
Speaker 6: For me, it was like an act of rebellion, Like
Speaker 6: you don't get to navigate, you don't get to dictate
Speaker 6: when this girl's recap and how it happens goes in.
Speaker 5: So I just like, I don't know, I play emotional.
Speaker 5: I can't help it. So it's kind of all of
Speaker 5: those things conjoined.
Speaker 3: And ultimately it just came to a point in the game,
Speaker 3: like you made a decision and you look at the picture,
Speaker 3: and if any of the other guys won but Chris,
Speaker 3: you would have been found yeah, and they probably would
Speaker 3: have held your vote out and your name out of
Speaker 3: the vote and you would have been safe. But it
Speaker 3: was literally the combination of Desi and Chris winning that
Speaker 3: put you in this predicament because you had to make
Speaker 3: a risky decision which way are you going to fall?
Speaker 3: And you're assuming that one of the other guys that
Speaker 3: you're working with are going.
Speaker 4: To win, and they didn't. So it's just a gamble
Speaker 4: and it just happened to not work in your favor.
Speaker 3: So as much as like, I know how and I
Speaker 3: understand how it can be emotional to like make decisions
Speaker 3: in this game, but also like you do it and
Speaker 3: you just kind of got to stick with it because
Speaker 3: you never know who's going to win the next week,
Speaker 3: and you just kind of hope the person that you
Speaker 3: aligned with does and other than that, there's really not
Speaker 3: much you can do. But how important do you think
Speaker 3: it is to have alliances in this game and specifically
Speaker 3: in this week? Like were you setting yourself up now
Speaker 3: that you've crossed your old alliance? Were you just fully
Speaker 3: ready to ride with the Vets from here on out?
Speaker 5: I think that I don't know.
Speaker 6: I honestly it's hard for me to put myself back
Speaker 6: in that place, I think, so.
Speaker 5: I think for me, it was kind of like we're
Speaker 5: right near, We're.
Speaker 6: Right tiptoeing near the edge of yeah, like this final, and.
Speaker 5: So it was kind of like I just, I honestly
Speaker 5: was just thinking, like how the hell can I scrap
Speaker 5: my way there?
Speaker 6: And how can I kisses as few people off as
Speaker 6: possible while doing it?
Speaker 5: And I I just was.
Speaker 6: Playing with my gut and my intuition and trying to
Speaker 6: go with that as much as possible. And like sometimes
Speaker 6: it's like you can you can try to justify the
Speaker 6: decisions that you make in this game, or all that
Speaker 6: you want and say that there's strategic or whatever it is.
Speaker 6: But sometimes it's just your gut guiding you and leading you,
Speaker 6: and it might just be as simple as that, you know,
Speaker 6: And that's kind of how I felt with protecting you,
Speaker 6: with protecting Cassidy, with voting in Chris, who had said
Speaker 6: my name prior a few episodes before.
Speaker 5: So I was going with my gut.
Speaker 1: Why did you ultimately decide?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I know why you did it,
Speaker 2: but I'm just curious for confirmation. Why did you decide
Speaker 2: to come clean to the other girls and tell them
Speaker 2: you didn't vote for Tori after we saw last week's elimination,
Speaker 2: Because it looks like you didn't tell them beforehand, but
Speaker 2: once that elimination occurred, you went back into the house
Speaker 2: and shared with them what happened. Why did you do that?
Speaker 5: I actually did tell them beforehand.
Speaker 6: Oh really, yes, I had told them as soon as
Speaker 6: I had voted, So I told them like, well, it
Speaker 6: wasn't before the And that was the real issue is
Speaker 6: that I do think that if I had told them
Speaker 6: prior to the vote, potentially they could have moved off
Speaker 6: of Tory and onto Chris and I'm finding this out
Speaker 6: kind of like later, and so I think that that's
Speaker 6: why they were so hurt. But I could have waited
Speaker 6: until after I had made that vote all ready to
Speaker 6: tell them, and then Tory had entered the room, and
Speaker 6: I was like, I don't want to throw them further
Speaker 6: under the bus. So what also wasn't shown is me
Speaker 6: being like Toy, it could have been anybody of us.
Speaker 6: Any one of us did it, even though Tory knew
Speaker 6: that I didn't do it. It was just like I
Speaker 6: really I took a shovel and I just like dug
Speaker 6: my own grave.
Speaker 1: And I just Toy's making a face. Toy's making me
Speaker 1: because that wait what.
Speaker 4: I was flabbergasted. When I walked to the room, I
Speaker 4: was for sure.
Speaker 3: I was like it was definitely dozy and shout out
Speaker 3: and Michelle looks at me and she goes it was me,
Speaker 3: and I go what, Like I at that point in
Speaker 3: time was I truly felt blindsided that I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: what are you talking about.
Speaker 4: I was like, that's the weirdest shit I've ever heard, Michelle.
Speaker 3: You just told me that these girls are trying two
Speaker 3: that are probably gonna say my name and then you're
Speaker 3: the one who did it. So eventually she came out
Speaker 3: because she felt so bad that she basically.
Speaker 4: Corral Desi and Chanell to vote for me and then didn't.
Speaker 3: So then she tried to take the heat for it,
Speaker 3: but it was just such a bizarre conversation, and then
Speaker 3: Desi was like, let me just like fess up, you know,
Speaker 3: I actually did, and then that's kind of when the
Speaker 3: water works started happening from Desi, which you know, obviously,
Speaker 3: I think she's as much as people have used tears
Speaker 3: in this game to you know, seek, I don't know,
Speaker 3: empathy and pity. I also think that it's very authentic
Speaker 3: because the game is very stressful, right, So I took
Speaker 3: it as face value.
Speaker 4: Michelle, I thought your tears were real. I thought Desi's
Speaker 4: were real. Like, it's such an emotional game and people
Speaker 4: don't give enough people credit for crying. Here we saw
Speaker 4: three people cry this episode, like it's a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this point in the game, it felt like a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, Michelle, it sounds like you were doing a lot.
Speaker 2: So you okay, Like just so I'm clear, all right,
Speaker 2: So you don't vote Tori in because you decide.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a smarter move. You have to kind of
Speaker 1: make a decision. Cool.
Speaker 2: Then you tell the girls right after you make the vote,
Speaker 2: but before the elimination that you tell the girls, being
Speaker 2: what I referred to as Destney's child, but Chanelle, Mikayla,
Speaker 2: and Desie, that you didn't vote the way they expected
Speaker 2: you to write, that you didn't vote Tori in. Then
Speaker 2: afterwards you tell Tory you were the one who voted
Speaker 2: her in, and you tell her that in front of
Speaker 2: the other girls because you're trying to take the heat off.
Speaker 2: And then that's just the Michelle you were doing a lot.
Speaker 6: Desi had said that she told Tory that she didn't
Speaker 6: vote her, and so Desie to then take further heat
Speaker 6: for backtracking on that, and so I will take the
Speaker 6: key as the.
Speaker 4: Person who votes.
Speaker 5: But then it was like when we're sitting in this room,
Speaker 5: it was like this is just too messy.
Speaker 6: Let's just be honest, and like I'll also my part
Speaker 6: in it, which my part is that I should have
Speaker 6: told them sooner.
Speaker 5: So like MESSI like, that's what I mean.
Speaker 6: Listen, I don't know if it's Michelle down or if
Speaker 6: it's Messchelle or what.
Speaker 5: The fuck it is? But I just can't stop like
Speaker 5: figure out it's.
Speaker 6: That I I have a lot of guilt, Like I
Speaker 6: think that that's why I end up crying a lot
Speaker 6: of times, Like if I just owned the things that
Speaker 6: I did. This is what I saw on Rider Dies too,
Speaker 6: is that when I make a decision, I need to
Speaker 6: just stand on that, and it always ends up that
Speaker 6: I just like don't have the backbone to do that
Speaker 6: for some reason.
Speaker 5: And so I'm a work in progress.
Speaker 6: But yeah, ultimately I was not that I didn't that
Speaker 6: I didn't vote to it, like I would not have
Speaker 6: wanted to send her to say her name. Chris said,
Speaker 6: wronged me, and so I made the right decision for me,
Speaker 6: and that should be simple enough.
Speaker 2: Like can I just say, watching you from Rider Dies
Speaker 2: to now, I do think we see a stronger, more
Speaker 2: secure Michelle in standing in her decisions and her choices,
Speaker 2: both in their interview, which you've been very entertaining in
Speaker 2: your talking heads Love, but also in the choices you've
Speaker 2: made so far, Like, yes, this episode was Messi's hail,
Speaker 2: but other than that, I feel like, compared to Writer
Speaker 2: or Dies, where it felt kind of hard to follow
Speaker 2: your thought process some of the time, like it was
Speaker 2: really like, oh, she's making this harder for it, Like
Speaker 2: it just didn't add up here. I feel like we
Speaker 2: saw a much more strategic you know, whether you agreed
Speaker 2: with it or not, Michelle, in a way that worked
Speaker 2: well for you up until I mean, look how far
Speaker 2: you made it.
Speaker 1: So if your point was.
Speaker 2: To try and grow and own your decisions more, I
Speaker 2: definitely feel like as a viewer, we see that, you know,
Speaker 2: in this season more than the last.
Speaker 1: So go ahead, girl, give yourself a pat on the bat,
Speaker 1: because it's just a.
Speaker 6: Little bit easier when you're also playing like solo, like
Speaker 6: having Jay as I was definitely right. We like playing
Speaker 6: in a pair is a lot you have to take
Speaker 6: into their their feelings, their perceptions there, whatever, so you're
Speaker 6: kind of push and pull and compromise like marriage. So
Speaker 6: this can kind of like do my own thing, make
Speaker 6: the decisions that I feel like are good for me,
Speaker 6: and then kind of glide in and out.
Speaker 5: And that's what I did.
Speaker 4: And I think that, like this is what your fourth
Speaker 4: TV show technically or fifth which one.
Speaker 5: Fifth?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like think about that, like there's so many
Speaker 4: players who've been playing for me.
Speaker 3: This is like my eleventh Like, I mean, obviously you
Speaker 3: saw me in Rider Di was an absolute Also I
Speaker 3: was having Michelle Downs on Ride or Die, you know,
Speaker 3: like we all have those moments when we when we
Speaker 3: lose it. But I definitely think like Devin was saying,
Speaker 3: your trajectory has gone up and your ability to cope
Speaker 3: with really.
Speaker 4: Difficult political situations has gotten a lot better.
Speaker 3: So it makes me wonder do you feel like the
Speaker 3: Michelle Down phrase is a fair phrase?
Speaker 4: Like do you hate the nickname?
Speaker 5: Do you do?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 1: Do you like it?
Speaker 4: Where do you? Where are you at with it?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 6: I don't think anybody likes to be labeled as somebody
Speaker 6: who has melt down.
Speaker 5: But you know a horse that has stripes, this a zebra,
Speaker 5: Like you have to call it a zebra. So it's
Speaker 5: just what it is.
Speaker 1: Turn it into merch Michelle.
Speaker 2: I don't know why there's not already a shopify www
Speaker 2: dot Michelle Down does. I don't know why there aren't
Speaker 2: hats and T shirts and all the things, because own
Speaker 2: it like absolutely, Plus you can send one to Tom.
Speaker 1: Holland and Sindaya.
Speaker 5: So I.
Speaker 6: I don't know what you're waiting on iber version of
Speaker 6: me where he thinks that I'm put together and that
Speaker 6: I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 5: I don't like he doesn't need to know.
Speaker 1: About but he even actually like say that did he
Speaker 1: in an interview?
Speaker 2: Like maybe he likes the messy because look, the messy
Speaker 2: kind of works in a way, like it's both entertaining
Speaker 2: but it is hard to follow, which you know, there's
Speaker 2: some animals in the wild where that is their strategy
Speaker 2: is just to like confuse.
Speaker 1: You said, a zebra a horse with stripes. A zebra
Speaker 1: looks a weird analogy.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to kind of true, but you know that's
Speaker 2: that's their mode of survivals. The stripes are supposed to
Speaker 2: confuse their predators, like they don't really recognize or know
Speaker 2: what's going on. They don't know the front from the back,
Speaker 2: and then that's how they stay safe. So see, like,
Speaker 2: look at you down, you're confusing, Look at that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Nine to four Perry hosting the podcast.
Speaker 5: Wow you've watched.
Speaker 2: I just in Africa for our honeymoon. So I listened
Speaker 2: to all the fun facts they gave me. Oof, we
Speaker 2: are getting into it all right.
Speaker 1: We have to take a quick break, but we'll be
Speaker 1: right back after this.
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about this week's challenge you guys,
Speaker 2: because it was so interesting. The first thing I want
Speaker 2: to know is approximately how long do you think you
Speaker 2: guys had to run? Like how many miles? Because everyone
Speaker 2: seemed pretty gassed by the end. So how long of
Speaker 2: a run or how far do you guys think that was.
Speaker 3: I mean, we were definitely running NonStop for at least
Speaker 3: forty minutes, maybe forty five, And so if I'm going
Speaker 3: at the pace that I think that we're going, it
Speaker 3: had to be at least three and a half four
Speaker 3: miles because there was many times when we were crawling.
Speaker 4: You know, we weren't just running, we were crawling through
Speaker 4: the tunnels.
Speaker 1: This show, this.
Speaker 4: Episode didn't really do the holes justice we were so
Speaker 4: it was terrifying.
Speaker 3: And I loved that you said, Michelle, for this isn't
Speaker 3: great for somebody with claustrophobia, it wasn't great.
Speaker 4: For somebody without it. I was, like I said, about
Speaker 4: to crumble on our head. This is an ancient cathedral
Speaker 4: with like God only knows what's happening here.
Speaker 3: For sure, there was corpse down there and it was brutal.
Speaker 3: It must have been three or four miles. But I
Speaker 3: don't know, Michelle, what do you think? And you would
Speaker 3: you label this as the hardest challenge of the season.
Speaker 5: Yes, I was easy.
Speaker 6: I was like, you know, I've hit a few rumble classes,
Speaker 6: like I jog every once in a while, do pilates, Okay,
Speaker 6: I was very well prepared, Like, honey, Ricardia needs to
Speaker 6: lift a little bit. I was like sitting there, like, okay,
Speaker 6: so this is where I die. I don't know if
Speaker 6: we don't even mesm already.
Speaker 5: In the crypt. I was like, just leave me here,
Speaker 5: leave me here, continue on without me. This game is
Speaker 5: already I'm already going under anyways.
Speaker 3: So well, I mean, listen, it was tough, and I
Speaker 3: think the hardest part about it was obviously the puzzle pieces,
Speaker 3: because you're pushing so hard to get six. Everyone thinks
Speaker 3: they're six, and then there's a seventh and then.
Speaker 4: A like it was just nute.
Speaker 2: Was Johnny naive to believe Mikayla And were you guys
Speaker 2: talking amongst yourselves because we see that scene where Mikayla
Speaker 2: tells Johnny, oh, you know, there's no more whatever, there's seven,
Speaker 2: but we didn't really see like the vets A lines
Speaker 2: or anyone else were you all kind of communicating with
Speaker 2: one another around how many pieces there were or what
Speaker 2: was going on.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that everybody was on their own path.
Speaker 3: Everyone was running at different paces, so you were kind
Speaker 3: of like with people that when you were with them,
Speaker 3: And and honestly the only person that I was you
Speaker 3: saw me like with Chanelle the entire time pretty much.
Speaker 4: And I asked her as she went down. I was like,
Speaker 4: are there three down there? Or two? Are there two
Speaker 4: down there that long tunnel?
Speaker 3: And she told me three, But same way, I was like,
Speaker 3: So she didn't lie to me the way Michaela lied
Speaker 3: to Johnny.
Speaker 4: But I'm like, is she lie to me right now?
Speaker 3: So I am surprised that Johnny didn't question it because
Speaker 3: I then went back and referenced that, oh, so you
Speaker 3: knew there's so wait, so some of you guys did
Speaker 3: find out in real time that there were eight pieces,
Speaker 3: So then who was the let you know, was Johnny
Speaker 3: one of the last ones to find out about it?
Speaker 1: He was okay, yes, okay.
Speaker 6: I had went all the way down that tunnel to
Speaker 6: get my piece, and I was the last girl, And
Speaker 6: I was like, what the hell are these bags still
Speaker 6: down here? Like they're all a building, so I like
Speaker 6: looked at the colors and I came up and I
Speaker 6: was like, who's yellow, who's pink, Who's whatever. I was like,
Speaker 6: y'all saw have bags all the way down, and then
Speaker 6: that's when they exprinted like you're yellow. I just saw
Speaker 6: your bed and you do not have all of your pieces.
Speaker 6: So at that point it was too late. I mean,
Speaker 6: Christ's way I had anyways, So yeah, the girls were
Speaker 6: a little bit more even.
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah we were because Mikayla, myself and
Speaker 3: Desi all had our pieces and we were all calling
Speaker 3: for checks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what was the trick to organize? Because it
Speaker 1: looked like just in blocks?
Speaker 4: What exactly just inches?
Speaker 3: Basically like the slots were in different portions of the block,
Speaker 3: so you would put it on and if half of
Speaker 3: the lip hung over, then it wasn't a correct match.
Speaker 4: So it was basically trial and error for every single piece.
Speaker 5: I'm almost possible that there was a strategy. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 6: That I don't know why I'm explaining this, but the
Speaker 6: proms at the bottom needed to there needed to be proms,
Speaker 6: not open lips, so you can kind of dictate like
Speaker 6: where the way at least the puzzle case was supposed
Speaker 6: to like fit in, so there.
Speaker 5: Was a hack to it. It's just that it just
Speaker 5: took really look, it just was like kind of bulky,
Speaker 5: weird pieces.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were heavy, Yeah, and we were absolutely gasped.
Speaker 3: I do think that Johnny was naive to believe Mikhaela
Speaker 3: though out of.
Speaker 4: Like all his experience, and obviously they were trying to
Speaker 4: work together, but like you know, come on, dude, you're
Speaker 4: playing the game. Everyone's competing, people are trying to throw
Speaker 4: each other off, like everyone's got a motive.
Speaker 5: In this game.
Speaker 1: And Mikayla is super strategic.
Speaker 2: I mean, we are seeing that, I hope moving forward,
Speaker 2: everyone's side eyes her, not in a bad way, but
Speaker 2: like she is showing that she is very smart, she's
Speaker 2: very strategic, and she will do like we've talked about before, toy,
Speaker 2: she will switch into sort of a logical mode where
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if your friends or how close. Someone
Speaker 2: else on this podcast, whose middle name is Patricia, sometimes
Speaker 2: gets into a similar mode where they they will just
Speaker 2: do whatever, you know, they feel works in the game,
Speaker 2: and Mikayla is one of them.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, Mikayla's given you quote unquote tips.
Speaker 2: I would side eye that tip because unless it benefits
Speaker 2: her directly, she's probably not giving you advice that's gonna
Speaker 2: give you, you know, an edge.
Speaker 1: Are you know, arguably smart?
Speaker 3: Are you referring to when Michelle and I were in
Speaker 3: Spelllunkers and I didn't give her the code for time?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, when Tory slunk out of the water, she just
Speaker 2: like stepped back slowly when she figured out what the
Speaker 2: cost secret word was and then just disappeared in the water,
Speaker 2: even though she promised you all that she would help
Speaker 2: share the answer.
Speaker 1: Michelle, would you like to speak on that for a moment?
Speaker 1: How did you.
Speaker 6: Feel in I did not care about the second portion
Speaker 6: of the puzzle because then I knew if she told
Speaker 6: me it would have been a.
Speaker 5: Foot race, and I knew that. I think me and
Speaker 5: Tory are pretty both like even the.
Speaker 3: Master, Michelle is a way better swimmer than me. She's
Speaker 3: given herself, She's given me way too much credit. She's
Speaker 3: a way better swimmer.
Speaker 5: You know, you already had advantage. She could have just
Speaker 5: yelled back from that, you know dance. Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 6: I think things personally in the game, which is so
Speaker 6: counter intuitive to it seems that everybody takes me personally when.
Speaker 2: I do them, but I never Okay, So speaking of
Speaker 2: not taking things personally, when you do start to go
Speaker 2: into the Michelle down, which I hope you don't actually
Speaker 2: think that name is just so brilliant, I'm serious. If
Speaker 2: you do not put out a T shirt and quickly
Speaker 2: and put a copyright on that Michelle, you are missing
Speaker 2: out passive income.
Speaker 1: It's easy to do.
Speaker 2: But when you and Michayla start to get into it,
Speaker 2: tell us about the feelings real time that moment, and
Speaker 2: then where where do you all stand today? Now?
Speaker 1: Like, did you take none of that personally? Because it
Speaker 1: seemed like it got pretty heated.
Speaker 5: So it's interesting because that was a much much longer
Speaker 5: fight than what was shown.
Speaker 1: How So give us some behind the scenes.
Speaker 5: What do you seemed like?
Speaker 6: You know, I was the one like kind of floundering
Speaker 6: through the conversation, but there was also a lot being
Speaker 6: exposed on the other side of things ways that I
Speaker 6: felt that Mikayla was playing the game shady, So it
Speaker 6: was like, you know, she just has her gun pointed
Speaker 6: at me that I'm the shady when I'm like, you're
Speaker 6: doing the same exact thing. Our guns are pointed at
Speaker 6: each other, like, you know, I think Mikayla has this
Speaker 6: oftentimes has this way of being like my way is
Speaker 6: the right way, and it's like, Mikayla, there's a lot
Speaker 6: of right ways.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of ways to play this game.
Speaker 6: And you know, she can do something and it's no
Speaker 6: fault on her, but if somebody else does it, then
Speaker 6: we're all at fault.
Speaker 5: And I think it's I don't know.
Speaker 6: This is my second time playing with Mikayla. I find
Speaker 6: her to be difficult for me personally to play with,
Speaker 6: and I think she finds me to be.
Speaker 5: Difficult to play with. She's very very logical and I'm
Speaker 5: very very emotional, and that's always.
Speaker 6: Been We had Desie and Chanelle a lot of times
Speaker 6: as the middleman between navigating conversations between me and her.
Speaker 6: We always wanted the same thing, but we go about
Speaker 6: it two separate ways. She doesn't like the way I move.
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily like the way that she moves. You know,
Speaker 6: she for me, she'll be like, oh, Michelle, somebody said
Speaker 6: your name. Be careful, people are somebody said your name.
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh my god, who said my name? Tell
Speaker 6: me so I could be wary of them, so I
Speaker 6: don't share for me. She's like, no, no, no, that's
Speaker 6: the information. I'm not going to tell you who's It's
Speaker 6: like she gives me a little bit, but not the thing,
Speaker 6: and that's always infuriating to me. And she gets infuriated
Speaker 6: with me because I play emotionally and she's like shut
Speaker 6: those off.
Speaker 5: So like we bicker in how you.
Speaker 6: Know, we were working together this entire game and we
Speaker 6: fought basically the whole way through the season up until
Speaker 6: what it is exploded.
Speaker 1: So so bosth of you guys are messy. Basically you
Speaker 1: guys are messy, but in different ways.
Speaker 2: Like you guys cause a little bit of chaos, but
Speaker 2: with maybe different motives behind it or in different ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 5: Really beneficial for me and her and our relationship. Listen,
Speaker 5: we want to be friends.
Speaker 6: We are friends, but it's very very difficult when you're
Speaker 6: two you're such different people to figure out that communication gap.
Speaker 6: And you know, we had Tiffany, we had Chanel, we
Speaker 6: had Desi. A lot of the times if I had
Speaker 6: a problem or she had a problem, we'd pull them
Speaker 6: in to actually like decode what the other one is yeah,
Speaker 6: and that's not easy to work with somebody like that.
Speaker 6: And you know, she felt like I was like playing
Speaker 6: shady and I felt like I was constantly having to
Speaker 6: like battle to make her believe that I could be trustworthy.
Speaker 6: And it's like neither one are a good combination to
Speaker 6: be an alliance together. So yeah, it was not easy
Speaker 6: and it just was bound book Eventually, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think ultimately, like you both have strong views on the game,
Speaker 3: and I think that your views actually come off more
Speaker 3: subtle even though they're just as strong. You know, how
Speaker 3: you want to work with people and the emotional aspect
Speaker 3: that you play with it gets you far. But ultimately,
Speaker 3: like you said, yes, it's an obvious clash, Like her
Speaker 3: views are very loud, She's very opinionated, and she tries
Speaker 3: to make big strategic movies, which is amazing to watch.
Speaker 3: Like obviously I've been on the shit end of it
Speaker 3: for multiple times now, but as a viewer, you're like, Wow,
Speaker 3: somebody really goes out there with a lot of tenacity
Speaker 3: to go out there and say, fuck this, I want
Speaker 3: to do this.
Speaker 4: I'm inspired, Like, I don't know if it would be
Speaker 4: good for my political game.
Speaker 3: I think I kind of have to ride with the
Speaker 3: way you play, Michelle, but like it is inspiring to
Speaker 3: see someone just go out there and say, fuck it,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do whatever I want. But I understand why
Speaker 3: you play the way you play, because you try to
Speaker 3: take everybody's emotions into consideration.
Speaker 4: So it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: And I know that you had to go up against
Speaker 3: Cassidy in this episode and you guys were good friends.
Speaker 1: Talk to us.
Speaker 4: Why you think she got so many votes in the
Speaker 4: hopper this time?
Speaker 6: Well, I think people most people wanted to give me
Speaker 6: the best shot. I think that they felt that Cassidy
Speaker 6: was that for me, and it was definitely difficult. I
Speaker 6: felt like I didn't want to go again. At this point,
Speaker 6: I wouldn't have wanted to go against anybody, so there
Speaker 6: was really no great scenario. I tried to make sure
Speaker 6: that I wasn't like politicking a certain name, but I
Speaker 6: think a lot of people wanted to do me a
Speaker 6: favor and knew that Cassidy would be my best option
Speaker 6: as somebody that they thought I could be, And so yeah,
Speaker 6: that's how it ended up. But Cassidy prior to this
Speaker 6: has definitely played very like you know, she has been
Speaker 6: just like Mikayla, pretty bold and fearless and a lot
Speaker 6: of her decision making and so that's pissed people off.
Speaker 6: It makes people really like they don't really mind saying
Speaker 6: your name when you pissed half the house off.
Speaker 5: So I think it's kind of a combo plotter book
Speaker 5: those things.
Speaker 4: Right, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Did you think that there was any possibility that, like
Speaker 3: Chris and DESI would have thrown Cassidy and when they
Speaker 3: won the challenge or were you dead set that it
Speaker 3: was going to be you?
Speaker 6: I knew for sure, like for sure, like I knew
Speaker 6: the sky is blue like water as wet.
Speaker 5: I knew I was willing to be nominated.
Speaker 3: And it was.
Speaker 6: Honestly, like really such a shame to me because I
Speaker 6: felt like I had burned a bridge with my friends
Speaker 6: and I felt like I hurt them, and I felt
Speaker 6: it was personal, and that's like, you know, it's it's
Speaker 6: not you never want to be voted in, but the
Speaker 6: fact that I felt like I got voted in.
Speaker 5: Because I heard people was like kind of worse. Yeah,
Speaker 5: But I felt also there was part of me that
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, Michelle, you kind of deserved this. So
Speaker 5: just like own it and be okay with it and
Speaker 5: get through it.
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of power in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you guys think that Chris didn't vote
Speaker 1: for FESSI?
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like we heard a possible
Speaker 2: theory from the guys. But just being in the house,
Speaker 2: were you shocked that Chris didn't vote for FESSI? And
Speaker 2: you know what do you think his initial reasoning was.
Speaker 6: I personally think that it was because people, in my opinion,
Speaker 6: people would have been semi more likely to make it
Speaker 6: a guy's day had it been FESSI. I think some
Speaker 6: people could have flipped the script. Whereas people knew that
Speaker 6: so many people were trying to protect Josh that by
Speaker 6: Josh being the main vote, there was like basically zero
Speaker 6: percent chance that it.
Speaker 5: Was going to be a guy's day.
Speaker 6: It's interesting that as like a final shot at FESSI,
Speaker 6: you shoot at Bessie, then who knows, maybe some people
Speaker 6: will come in and be like, maybe it is a
Speaker 6: good idea to vote Cori or Bananas and just snipe
Speaker 6: out of Bay. Yeah, I think Bessie is the main vote.
Speaker 5: You never know. Yeah, so I thought that could be
Speaker 5: part of.
Speaker 1: It, huh. I neverould have thought that Tory, what about you?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 4: I think it was a little bit more personal than strategic.
Speaker 3: I think that Chris was in the same bedroom as Corey,
Speaker 3: and I think he wanted to be boys with them
Speaker 3: the entire season.
Speaker 4: I think this is kind of his like, hey, guys,
Speaker 4: like be my friend. Honestly, really, yeah, I do.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Chris was kind of desperate for friends,
Speaker 3: and like he would fall asleep looking at FESSI, and
Speaker 3: I think that like when you stop it, that get away,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, But just like you know,
Speaker 3: when you close your eyes next to somebody in a
Speaker 3: house where you feel lonely, you start to trauma bond
Speaker 3: with them.
Speaker 4: And I think they're I think he was trying to
Speaker 4: build a friendship.
Speaker 2: I think ultimately it was I mean, card we heard
Speaker 2: Corey reference, which I thought was interesting and was sort
Speaker 2: of my initial thought process, which is like, look, Josh
Speaker 2: hasn't won a daily this whole season, and so with
Speaker 2: throwing FESSI in, there's a good chance he may come back,
Speaker 2: or there's a good chance he may come back and
Speaker 2: then win a daily next week and then go after you.
Speaker 1: Where it was sort of like, look.
Speaker 2: If Josh does, if it is a guy's day, Josh
Speaker 2: does happen to come back, what are the odds of
Speaker 2: Josh coming back and winning a daily the following week
Speaker 2: and therefore having power? Which I thought, Oh, okay that
Speaker 2: you know, that definitely makes sense that he felt like
Speaker 2: maybe it was the less risky move, But I think I.
Speaker 1: Like your theory just wanting to be bvffs.
Speaker 4: I think so, No, it was probably more strategic.
Speaker 6: But all three of them him, Corey, Betty Coy and Josh,
Speaker 6: who was like but buddies with the whole season.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think I think he was bummed by
Speaker 5: all of them turning on him, for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting though, watching Josh take it right
Speaker 3: because we obviously see this emotional side, which I love
Speaker 3: about Josh.
Speaker 4: I think more men should cry. I think it's a
Speaker 4: beautiful thing.
Speaker 3: And I love that he expresses himself in this one
Speaker 3: in such a positive way. He's not freaking out, He's.
Speaker 1: Not dangot better, even though I'm better.
Speaker 4: I did like that snippet of him banging pods and pants.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm not saying that we need to
Speaker 3: see that side of Josh again, but it's nice to
Speaker 3: flash back to it. And I ultimately was like inspired
Speaker 3: by his desire to go down in the sand next
Speaker 3: week and be like, you know what, I want to
Speaker 3: take Chris out, Like I thought, well, we've.
Speaker 2: Seen that play out in the dumbest of ways, Like
Speaker 2: why would Josh put I mean, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: get it's entertaining to watch, but it's just like, yeah, hey, bruh,
Speaker 2: just try and make it through this week, all right,
Speaker 2: and then we can see.
Speaker 1: What happens in next episode.
Speaker 2: But let's not go volunteering ourselves or saying things that
Speaker 2: we might regret, you know, in the following week, just
Speaker 2: to prove a point, Like isn't the ultimate point to
Speaker 2: prove to someone aside from beating them an elimination, winning
Speaker 2: the game, or making it farther than them, So like,
Speaker 2: why would you ever nominate yourself?
Speaker 4: In total maddness?
Speaker 3: I nominated myself against Jenna and she beat me by
Speaker 3: two seconds and a forty five minute brick smash. Yeah brutal,
Speaker 3: but yeah not smart, but also kind of heroic to watch,
Speaker 3: so I give him his credit. And also we're not
Speaker 3: there yet because he is still here because unfortunately, Michelle,
Speaker 3: you had to go into the elimination and when you
Speaker 3: walked up and you saw what it was, what were
Speaker 3: you thinking?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I was like, I I'm from Jersey, I know how
Speaker 5: to drive. It is just steering all power I.
Speaker 6: Coulday, I don't know this freaking things like great contraction.
Speaker 5: Okay, just never you guys going to come up with
Speaker 5: To be honest with.
Speaker 4: You, I know, dude, it's wild.
Speaker 3: Did you feel like your strategy shifted once you recognize
Speaker 3: what the game was, because we see you get one
Speaker 3: of those things actolutely?
Speaker 4: What led to you not being able to get the
Speaker 4: rest of them?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 6: Probably my lack of like class up curls prior to
Speaker 6: this season they have I don't know, I you know
Speaker 6: what it was. My grip strength like is just not there,
Speaker 6: and so you'll see me like using like the spokes
Speaker 6: in the middle. I should have been holding it like
Speaker 6: this and I didn't have to grip pulled it from
Speaker 6: the outer rim of the steering wheel, and that's.
Speaker 5: Where you get like probably the most leverage I would
Speaker 5: thing trying.
Speaker 2: I don't know math very well, but well, we see
Speaker 2: Cassidy using her body to or she explains her strategy right,
Speaker 2: and she was like using her leg partially to carry in.
Speaker 1: Did you consider that at all?
Speaker 6: Or I don't think I was considering much. I was
Speaker 6: kind of just like right holling on for survival for
Speaker 6: you know, once she had like four and I just
Speaker 6: like knew I was kind of slipping. My mental shifted
Speaker 6: and not really the best way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looked like you gave up a little bit.
Speaker 6: Never how you want to feel. You never want to
Speaker 6: let yourself. Whereas Chris had mentioned with Cassidy, she like
Speaker 6: kicked it into gear. So I was like, fuck this
Speaker 6: ups and then once your mental's there, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's embarrassing.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I was like, get me out of this hellhole.
Speaker 5: Over it. Everybody hates me. I've been crying all day.
Speaker 1: Tom Holland doesn't No one can take that away from you, Michelle,
Speaker 1: No one can take that away from you.
Speaker 5: So true. But there is a point I feel that
Speaker 5: I've had on every season that I've.
Speaker 6: Been on so far that i just realized like, Okay,
Speaker 6: this peace wash is over me, and I'm kind of
Speaker 6: like I've done all that I can you in this
Speaker 6: game and emotionally I'm like checked out, like I can't
Speaker 6: do another minute of it. And I felt that on
Speaker 6: this day I was really worn down and I was
Speaker 6: not feeling it. I was not like in the energy
Speaker 6: in the vibe and my vibe, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 4: Just not in it, dude, wasn't It was sad to
Speaker 4: see you go.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: You were definitely like one of my only female friends.
Speaker 5: That I know.
Speaker 3: I had on lock in the house for a long
Speaker 3: time in the game, and I mean that's why you
Speaker 3: see all of us nuts come down and like bear
Speaker 3: hug you at the end, like it didn't feel good to.
Speaker 4: Go back into the house without you, and and we
Speaker 4: were praying it was over too. All of us were
Speaker 4: exhausted at this point, you know.
Speaker 5: I know it was like the final stretch, and we
Speaker 5: didn't know.
Speaker 6: I thought that I was going to walk out that
Speaker 6: door and they were gonna be like everybody's in the
Speaker 6: final So I'm like craning my ear, like, oh God,
Speaker 6: they're about to announce it. They're about to announce it.
Speaker 6: When they didn't, I was like, all right, at least
Speaker 6: these assholes.
Speaker 5: Have to go back. I don't want any more.
Speaker 6: Like slippery Oil pits like I've done no more trampolines,
Speaker 6: like me out, got my dog and be done with it.
Speaker 3: Can we tell y'all, can we talk real quick before
Speaker 3: we let you go? We got to talk about the
Speaker 3: trampoline because it was the best thing ever. Dude, you
Speaker 3: looked like the cutest little kid, and the McDonald's played like, okay, in.
Speaker 6: Fairness, they played that out of order, and I was
Speaker 6: the first one to go, so I did to see
Speaker 6: the strategy the other people. But let's be really honest,
Speaker 6: even if I had seen the strategy of the other people,
Speaker 6: like I always should on my mom for not going
Speaker 6: to be a tramplaine because I always wanted one, and
Speaker 6: like I can find a way to blame my mom
Speaker 6: for anything.
Speaker 5: It's just no, I blame you for but no, she's great.
Speaker 6: But really I feel like I would have been more
Speaker 6: prepared had she got me a trampoline. But I begged
Speaker 6: for one all throughout middle school.
Speaker 4: You know, I get it.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you're going to add that to
Speaker 3: the list of things that you want to work on
Speaker 3: so that way when you come back for another season
Speaker 3: you have more under your belt.
Speaker 6: Uh? Well, I really only had had a week between
Speaker 6: ending filming this and starting up the next season, So
Speaker 6: unfortunately I didn't hit the trampoline mark. There's really find
Speaker 6: tramplines in thirty nine. Don't consider me any more season than.
Speaker 2: I was on.
Speaker 1: There's time now though, Michelle, you can order one on Amazon.
Speaker 2: Now, so you can be ready for forty or any
Speaker 2: of the upcoming seasons after that and get your your
Speaker 2: trampoline game on. But we saw the trailer for We
Speaker 2: saw that you're in thirty nine. Is there anything that
Speaker 2: you can kind of just hint that we might expect
Speaker 2: as far as how that game goes or what should
Speaker 2: we should expect to see?
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 6: It's a very interesting season because a lot of the
Speaker 6: people who have always been sort of like the sideliners,
Speaker 6: like people who have been picked off, now have their
Speaker 6: time to try to figure out how to navigate get
Speaker 6: a game that they're not.
Speaker 5: The underdogs anymore.
Speaker 6: You know, they're able to figure out how to play
Speaker 6: from a position of power or strength or whatever, and
Speaker 6: they don't have to be under the film of like
Speaker 6: people who have to run seasons and seasons together that
Speaker 6: have history, and so it's a much more unpredictable sort
Speaker 6: of game.
Speaker 5: And I think it'll be fun. I think it's interesting.
Speaker 6: We get to see a few cameos from some of
Speaker 6: our favorite champions, which is always fun. A few of
Speaker 6: them have some choice words for me, but otherwise it's
Speaker 6: I think it's gonna be a great season. It's nice
Speaker 6: to see the personalities of people that usually like go
Speaker 6: home early and get to developed. There's a lot of love.
Speaker 6: There's a few fights. Yeah, there's a little bit of everything.
Speaker 6: Everything that makes a challenge spicy is on this season,
Speaker 6: and so should be good.
Speaker 4: Love that if you're there.
Speaker 3: There's gotta be a lot of fun and fights and
Speaker 3: Michelle downs and also maybe some female kisses.
Speaker 4: We saw that Cassidy one this season, we get any
Speaker 4: more in there?
Speaker 2: Yes, Michelle, Yes, maybe that's what I should be asking.
Speaker 2: Where do you and Cassidy stand at this point?
Speaker 5: I gotta ask that because we're about to go Instagram official.
Speaker 1: I heard it here first, Guys, you heard it here first.
Speaker 6: No, but I wouldn't be surprised if one night one
Speaker 6: I find myself at some ra bunctious actions.
Speaker 4: I love to see.
Speaker 6: Story is not there, so somebody has to carry the
Speaker 6: baton of being crazy during So I just decided I'll
Speaker 6: do it for her in her honor.
Speaker 3: I be still the tour bag. Well, Michelle, I was
Speaker 3: seriously a pleasure talking to you as always. Dude, your
Speaker 3: light is so bright. Don't let any of these haters
Speaker 3: get you down. Even if your gameplay changes up season
Speaker 3: the season, you always come back better and we're always
Speaker 3: going to be excited to watch you play.
Speaker 4: You have a heart of gold. So where can people
Speaker 4: follow you on Instagram?
Speaker 3: Support you and watch this launch of you and Cassidy's
Speaker 3: relationship where it all began.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can stepup to date with me and Cassidy
Speaker 6: on you know, our relationship soft launch within the next week.
Speaker 6: I would say, you know, niche Fitz if you're into
Speaker 6: Twitter or x or whatever it is, but to be honest,
Speaker 6: that place is successful.
Speaker 5: To just stay off that.
Speaker 1: And we'll be looking for the T shirts. Michelle.
Speaker 6: You know what I hear that we're I'm partnering with
Speaker 6: The Soul Spill and so when you get a book
Speaker 6: of the Soul Spill, you're going to get a Michelle
Speaker 6: down T shirt with it.
Speaker 5: So look for that soft launch on my Instagram as well.
Speaker 4: We are gonna do We're all gonna collab on that one.
Speaker 4: You're stuck with me. Now have a Michelle down and
Speaker 4: then read this book to feel better exactly.
Speaker 1: It's perfect.
Speaker 5: Operation of a lifetime.
Speaker 4: Well, Michelle, thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 4: We love you, dude. It's been a blast talking to you.
Speaker 6: Thank you, honestly, always fun. I'm sure I'll see you
Speaker 6: guys next season and when I probably inevitably fuck up again.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to it, Michelle, We're looking forward to it.
Speaker 5: Thanks, girls, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Well, that was an episode, and by an episode, I mean.
Speaker 1: That was an episode and a half.
Speaker 5: And a half.
Speaker 1: People just turn it on, everybody. Ooh this episode. God.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm thankful that we were able to talk
Speaker 3: to Michelle, and honestly, like it does. It feels heavy
Speaker 3: on my heart to hear her go through, like feeling
Speaker 3: the regret and feeling like she betrayed people ultimately, Like
Speaker 3: it is truly a game and we do lose sight
Speaker 3: of it. Everyone is playing for, however much two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars. I'm like, right, listen, you're gonna
Speaker 3: take things personally, but you just you just kind of
Speaker 3: keep moving on from it.
Speaker 4: So hopefully she can just take it and grow and
Speaker 4: continue to go.
Speaker 2: You know, and I think she's hard on herself this season, Like,
Speaker 2: I think she played a pretty smart game, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there was some messiness, but I'd say, good job, Michelle.
Speaker 1: Good Jop.
Speaker 4: I think so too.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Obviously we already gave away gold stars, but I think
Speaker 4: we could give her one to go.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's fair.
Speaker 4: I'm excited to follow her journey and see. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: hope Zandia is not jealous. I hope Zandia watches it.
Speaker 2: It's Yndaia, She's not and die if you want to
Speaker 2: come on the podcast, you know, and Tom talk about
Speaker 2: strategies all of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're here, we're here.
Speaker 3: We're huge fans and I you might be the most
Speaker 3: beautiful person to grace the presence of the earth, so
Speaker 3: we would love to have fun.
Speaker 2: Fact, my old hairstylists who used to make my wigs
Speaker 2: is India's permanent resident hairstylist.
Speaker 5: No, I know.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't people are about to go pilgrimage.
Speaker 2: I don't wear that wigny more, but I still hold
Speaker 2: on to it just because of how magical that is
Speaker 2: shout out to Antoinette and India.
Speaker 4: That's amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, I hope that she comes back in your life
Speaker 3: and then we can watch it on your social media
Speaker 3: because Devin, we want to know, we want to see it.
Speaker 1: Where can we follow you?
Speaker 4: How can we support you?
Speaker 2: You can follow me with a much less interesting info
Speaker 2: but possibly some fun animal fast. You can go to
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Speaker 2: talk about matchmaking, so click the matchmaking tab. You can
Speaker 2: also Google Devin Simone and Amazon and you can click
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Speaker 2: and I'll give you a shout out to, especially if
Speaker 2: you're challenged podcast listener. Also my Instagram stories, it's probably
Speaker 2: where I'm most active, which again is Devin with y
Speaker 2: Simone with an I now misauthor?
Speaker 1: Where can yes, yes? Where can we follow along with
Speaker 1: you and find out more about your upcoming book? Oh
Speaker 1: thank you?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm so thankful that Michelle brought it up because
Speaker 3: it's been a dear project to my heart. It's called
Speaker 3: The Soul Spill. I just released pre sales on October fist.
Speaker 3: I almost said August, That's why I said it weird,
Speaker 3: but October October first. So yeah, if you're interested, you know,
Speaker 3: come check out my poetry a Nissa made fun of
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Speaker 4: A poultry book. It's not a poultry book. It's a
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