WEBVTT - Revenge Amongst the Ruins w/ Michele Fitzgerald 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:01.280 Hello everyone. 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:03.840 I'm Devin Simone and I'm Tory Deal and this is 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:06.359 MTV's official Challenge podcast. 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:10.240 It is the week of a shift in power. 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:13.560 I mean, looks like the vets are back on the 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:15.560 bottom and the rookies. 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.280 Are taking control. How do you feel about that, Toy God? 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:20.160 I mean, there was a lot going on in this episode, 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:22.400 you know, and I do think it's really interesting watching 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:23.439 last week to this week. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:25.040 You can see two totally. 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.040 Different stories unfold, and I think that as we talk 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:29.960 about this episode, I think it is important to go 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.440 back to last week and see how the politics of 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:34.040 the game has flowed, so we can kind of talk 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.479 about the things that weren't really touched on, Because you're right, 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.479 there was like a major shift this week. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.640 I mean, ultimately it started with me walking into the 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.480 girls room trying to figure out, like, Okay, who throw 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:45.680 their box on me? 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.040 You know, So it set us up for this interesting dynamic. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.040 I had thought that I had been working with Desi 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.040 and Chanel. Obviously I found out I wasn't. They thought 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.480 they were working with Michelle, which now leads up to 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.120 this point where it's like, Okay, who's gonna win this 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.440 daily challenge? Because whoever does it's going to dictate the 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:02.440 next moves in the game. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:04.080 On a scale of one to ten, how mad were 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.880 you when you realize that they that Dusty's child had 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:07.360 betrayed you? 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:09.640 Is it a sick thing to say that? 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.279 I was happy? Wait? Why? Why? 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:12.920 Okay? 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.679 Because like you hear me say in the beginning of 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:17.840 the episode, I was like, if I win, I'm going 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:19.640 to throw them in and I was. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:20.400 I was. 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.240 It would have given me the perfect reason to right. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.760 And so I was trying to play this game diplomatically. 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:28.880 And if I would have had power, then I would 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.400 have now taken a shot because there was there wasn't. 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.720 I would have been firing back, so to speak. But 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.240 I didn't get that opportunity. You know, the challenge was 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.400 what the challenge was? I mean, it was called brain squeeze. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.000 It doesn't even sound. 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:42.880 Fun, it doesn't. 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:44.759 It definitely like it was hard. 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.800 We had to run through those that temple, whatever you 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:49.520 want to call it, get all those puzzle pieces. 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:50.960 We didn't know how many there were. 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.640 We're all going at the same time, crawling under these 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.800 small little holes, breathing in dust. It was a really 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.559 intense challenge and I think that it was really clear, 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:01.280 which I didn't see at the time, and I think 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.600 a lot of the vets weren't paying attention to how 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.840 much closer the Survivor Alliance was kind of rebuilding after 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:08.560 the fall. 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:09.200 Of the Shell. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.920 Yeah, they were kind of like the Roman Empire, like 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:14.600 they were coming which, by the way side, no, I 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:16.120 don't know if you've heard about that study about how 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.200 guys think about the Roman Empire in a regular basis 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.560 so weird, but yes, apparently ask any guy you know 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.240 listeners as well, and then dm us and let us 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:25.799 know what you find. But it seems like guys think 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:27.520 about it a lot. But that's kind of what this 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.840 group was, and that they rebuilt and they were coming 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.799 back the Survivor Alliance and yeah, maybe you guys the 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.840 bets sort of took for granted just how powerful, especially 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.440 because the numbers are smaller now, So before we're having 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.600 just four people in a group where five people wasn't 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:44.680 enough to sway the house. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.880 Now that's about half the house pretty. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.000 Much, right, And I think, like you said, you know, 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.360 you have somebody like Johnny who you look at Johnny 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.600 Bananas in a game and you think, okay, he's got 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:58.600 it all figured out. When he makes a mistake and 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.840 everyone's kind of following him lead with seven puzzles, you 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.480 go along with it, and you know, the survivors are 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.720 now having to really put their brains on and really 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.400 think about They're calculating where they are in these tunnels. 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.359 Michaela's making sure she's going all the way down to 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.320 the opposite side so she can engage what's over there. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.360 They're actually working as a collective unit r whereas the 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.800 Vets we were not. And it showed this episode, but 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.240 it also you know, goes to show like, listen, that's 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:24.600 what's great about this season. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.840 If the pendulum doesn't swing, who the hell wants to 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:27.200 watch it? 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:28.239 Yeah? I agree. 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.679 This season is twist and turns at every angle, which 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.560 is so fascinating and fun to watch, and it's i'd 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.320 say one of the most impressive showings of rookies we've 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.480 ever seen. And I still don't know how the season ends, 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.360 but this is probably the first time where I really 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.840 feel like it really is anyone's game, you know what 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:47.720 I mean, Like, yes, sure Banana is still in the game, 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.280 You're still in the game, but who the heck knows 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.920 who's coming out on the top with that, because I mean, Chanelle, 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.040 Mikayla Dead, like, all of them. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.600 Are excellent contenders. 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.280 Josh has proven himself a million and a half times 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.760 or not Josh, literally not Josh, sorry Josh. 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.240 Chris has proven himself a million and a half times 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:05.440 in this season. 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.440 Yeah, and so it's just, well, I love you, Josh, 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:10.680 but it's true, but Chris has gone down so many 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:15.120 times come back like it really is kind of anyone's game. 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.840 So we see Chris and Desi take the lead and 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.560 win this daily challenge. Then we go into the voting 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.760 where ultimately they decide Josh and Michelle, which I feel 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:28.039 like the Josh vote was kind of a surprise. It 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:29.280 seemed like to a lot of people in the house. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.480 It was definitely surprised to me. Was it a surprise 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:31.760 to you? 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:33.000 One hundred percent? 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.240 I thought it definitely would have been Fussy like Fessi 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:36.040 or Banana. 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:37.960 Oh no, not Banance. I thought it would have been Fessy. 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:39.280 Feessey put him up twice. 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.479 Yeah, which is an easy reason to be like, I'm 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:42.279 gonna go back at you. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:42.640 Yeah. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.320 Yeah, And I think that, like, you know, there's a 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.520 lot of reasons why he could have voted for him. 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.920 I think that maybe when we talked to Michelle will 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.240 have more insight and he can dive into that a 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.960 little bit deeper. But I do think it was it 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.599 was a shocker to the house. Ultimately, it was a 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.760 shock to see Josh not break through a wall when 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:00.599 heard the news. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.799 Yeah, talk about grow, I mean good on Josh. 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.480 He did threaten that if he went in, he's gonna 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.360 come back and wants to throw himself in next week, 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:09.839 which I feel like is a little much. 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.520 Josh dial it back, but baby steps. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.960 We're taking baby steps in the right direction, so promise 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:21.120 to Josh for that. Ultimately we see it become a 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.440 girl's day, and I think it's interesting that, like you know, 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.760 Michayla was sort of politicking that it be a girl's day, 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.400 and Desy as well, even to Bananas and Bananas were 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.000 saying like that's what they already were wanting, was a 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.800 girl's day. I am curious how you manage not to 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:37.560 get any votes. 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.240 This is this is the interesting part. 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.720 And I think that we don't get to see it 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.960 yet because and this is kind of what I was 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.080 touching on in the very beginning when I introed how 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.880 different it is from last week because exactly you had 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.440 Mikayla in a position where she was absolutely gunning for me. 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.599 You have Mikayla in a position right now where she 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.800 could very easily seecret it'll be put my ball in 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.440 the hopper, and she wasn't. So she comes up to 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.279 me to the vote and lets me know that she 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.560 wants to make amends. And obviously you take everything with 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.760 a grain of salt. But at this point, I had 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.080 already talked to Michelle. I had known that she didn't 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.760 want to go up against Mikayla. It was very easy 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.479 for me to not put my ball on Mikayla. But 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.640 I was shocked because I was almost certain that they 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:21.000 were going to come back to me and throw it 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.159 my way. But I think when Desi did what she did, 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.240 Desi went out of her way. And you see multiple 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.520 interviews where I truly listen, like I could be biased 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.160 because she's talking about me, but I believe her. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:32.479 I think she has a heart of gold. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:34.200 I think she too. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.360 Like I think it's very authentic, and I think when 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.720 she does this, it kind of pivots the way their 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:40.920 alliance is looking at the way they're playing the game 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:44.279 for a moment, and by Desi writing that wrong and 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.120 not throwing me under the bus, I think she kind 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.040 of set an example now for also Chanelle and Mikayla 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.560 to follow by hopefully building more trust with me again. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.400 So I got a credit maybe DESI for this. Are 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.960 they six a Desi aside? 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:04.200 Are they exceeding mainly Mikayla and Chanell in building trust 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.320 with you? Or you just counting down the days till 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:07.560 you can fire shots back? 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.440 You know? I, like I said, if I would have 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.920 had the opportunity in this episode, I was definitely gonna 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:13.480 throw them in. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:16.640 One of them. I don't know who. 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:18.760 Yeah, it could have been either, it could have been 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.840 any of them, right, Yeah. But when I saw these 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:23.880 votes go down and I saw that I didn't get 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:29.760 any knowing now that we have one more daily challenge company, Yeah, 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.440 it did make me believe like, Okay, well listen, this 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:33.960 is as far as you can go in the game 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.560 before like we really don't take people to Yeah, yeah, 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:37.960 you know, you take. 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:38.720 Them as far as you can. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.600 So it was kind of like this last little bit 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.320 of hope that I do feel like, looking back on 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.679 the season, even though we've had her ups and downs. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.400 In the very, very future, is there a possibility of 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.680 us working together? Yeah, i'd like to think. 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.080 So why don't you work with strong people, you know, 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:56.680 who win things? And I'm not saying Cassie's not strong, 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.920 she wins things. I would love to work with Cassidy 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.840 in the future too, but mostly people who win daily challenges, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.080 because then you can avoid elimination. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.520 Right right, you know all about avoiding those eliminations. Let 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:07.280 me tell you. 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.560 Yeah, So I would say, I would say that the 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.760 trust is is that it's built. 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.160 But it's building a little. 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.520 I kind of feel like Mikayla realized she effed up 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.800 and then was I mean, sure, they all effed up, 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.720 but I feel like Michaela was the vocal one who 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.400 multiple times was really trying to like go after you 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.320 and then realize that much like a cockroach, you're a 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.320 little harder to get rid of, and therefore she was 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:32.400 backtracking Esmage. It's really interesting they didn't show that, especially 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.480 because we see her someone who stands so strong and 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.680 her votes, her opinions or whatever, that she was on 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:41.000 the back end kind of coming in and that her 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:42.080 game is a little messy, which. 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:43.839 Is the same thing she accused Michelle up. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.360 So then we get to the ultimately the voting, so 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:52.040 it's Josh Michelle the hopper selects Cassidy. I will say this, 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.240 this is the I felt bad for Cassidy. First of all, 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.480 y'all don't let up. And second of all, she has 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.600 been put down there so many times, Like my heart 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.240 goes out for poor Cassidy, but she manages to pull 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.839 out the wind from Michelle. I feel like Michelle was 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.200 already thinking of her Uber Eats order about halfway into 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:10.880 the elimination. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:12.400 She was just over it. 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.880 Had a bit sad to see Michelle go home, but 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.880 feeling it was tough to watch because I do like 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.920 watching Michelle's gameplay, but I felt good for Cassidy, who 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.760 it just feels like she keeps getting, you know, pushed 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:28.640 in and all of that stuff to see her come 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.880 out victorious like that. And it seems like maybe she's 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.120 making an ally with Michaela because MICHAELA was trying to 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:38.040 help her a lot in that elimination, and I know 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.000 it was mainly to kind of get Michelle out, but 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.400 I don't know, maybe Cassidy can parlay that into sort 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.720 of an alliance towards the end or something. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:48.520 Yeah, I mean Desy was able to do that with 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.040 Chris this time around, by Chris that there was more 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:51.920 it does happen. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:53.480 You do see alliance as rebuilt. 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.840 I think ultimately it comes down to who's in power 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.800 with who, right, you know, yeah, because you're one person. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.440 So I think that there's this This episode was a lot, 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.160 and honestly, rewatching it reminded me of how intense it 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.360 was living in the house at that time. Honestly from 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:13.040 from a competitor's perspective, we count the weeks that were there. 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.560 We know the deadline that we're going home, right, try 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:16.800 to figure out the schedule. 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:17.760 We try to look at it. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.520 We have a pen we have, we draw our calendars 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:21.760 and we try to figure out how many it is 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:22.199 are we here? 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.520 Well, we really thought this was the last. 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.880 Elimination, so when we found out we had another challenge. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.160 And then obviously seeing everything Michelle was going through. You 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.319 see Josh having tears of this episode. Desy has tears 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.560 of episode, like I'm sure more people did and you 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.520 just don't see it. Bessy was definitely crying in the shower. 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:42.040 That's one hundred percent where he does. And I'm just kidding, 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:42.920 you know he's not, but. 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.080 Like, no, he probably he is. 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:49.320 We know, bananas was you know, speaking of Before we 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.200 get to our interview with Michelle. You know, I got 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.880 to ask your gold star of the week and your 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:54.240 time out? 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.160 Oh week, go okay. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:01.840 My gold star is for the camera guy for blurring 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.559 out the banana on Johnny's walk. 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:08.640 Up to voting. I thought that was so funny. I 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.600 laughed out loud. 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.320 That was funny. That was very very cute. Who gets 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:15.720 your time out? 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.320 My time out? Listen? 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:22.719 It should it should be Michelle because obviously she had 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.760 a messy game, right So, but I'm biased because she 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.800 didn't vote for me, So there's no way I'm giving 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.880 my gold star to Michelle. I'm gonna give it to 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:36.440 Mikayla for airing out Michelle like that and also not 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.000 recognizing that she also has played a game in which 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:41.839 you know, she's pointing a lot of fingers at Michelle, 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:43.240 but she could be pointing a lot back at her. 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.680 I'm saying this as somebody who she's gone for multiple 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.360 times in this game, So I would have to just 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.240 go with Mikayla's gameplay in this one interesting. 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.400 I'd say my gold star would have to go towards 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.600 Doctor Desi. I like seeing her get a win. It 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.000 always wakes my heart hearing when she says she's been 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:01.920 doubting herself in the house, just because I look at 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.040 her as such an epic competitor with so much potential. 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.560 And I like the way that she tries to play 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:09.480 with integrity. I actually like the way that she kind 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.240 of owned up her f up. Everybody makes those mistakes, 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.000 but I love how she said, Look, I don't want 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:16.520 this game to take me out of my character. I 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.320 love for that, live for that. So my gold star 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.280 would be doctor Desi. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:27.480 And then my time out of the week. You know, 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.120 that's tough. I'd probably say it has to go to. 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:36.000 Bananas only because this is one one he left a 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.960 banana appeal on the floor pick up your garbage, but 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:44.320 also but also because he knows better. Like you've done 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.040 this so many times, you know better, and you really 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.520 just kind of let part of your game be dependent 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.200 on this person who you still are figuring out. You 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.319 don't actually know that well. And so I was surprised 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.199 that he did that. And so I'd have to give him. 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.560 Am I really mad or is not? But I feel 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.600 like to no better is to do better Nanner's and 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.319 you know that's not the person to trust. 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.640 I think your goal star and your timeout are way 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.520 better than mine. So let's go with yours. 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:14.480 We can do. 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.400 It's not a this is not an elimination called hot 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.880 wheel toy. I can't even imagine. I can't And it 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.640 was raining, I cannot even imagine. I do not blame 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:28.480 Michelle one bit, one bit, but it was interesting to watch. 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.240 This whole episode is interesting to watch and the way 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.880 it gets kind of messy, and I feel like it's 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.480 just gonna get messier. But why don't we take a 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:42.520 pause and hear from the Queen of messiness herself. I'm 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.360 talking about Michelle Fitzgerald. We have an exclusive interview with her. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.320 We're gonna find out about her connection to Tom holland, 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.520 we are going to find out about where she stands 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.480 with some of the castmates now and what was going 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.680 through her head this season, as well as some behind 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.680 the scenes. And you were not gonna want to miss 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:01.800 this at all. We're getting that much closer to the 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:06.520 final y'all, So grab a snack, some treats. Whatever, Buckle 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:19.520 up because we have Michelle Fitzgerald coming up next. She 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:24.040 is a two time Survivor finalist and winner, four time Challenger, 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:30.400 the Queen of the Michelle Down, and someone who is 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.360 just fun to watch and talk to you all around. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:40.360 Please give it up for Michelle Fitzgerald. Woo Welcome Michelle. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:41.800 We're so happy to have you here. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:42.320 Thank you. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.840 I'm so excited to be here again. Always a pleasure 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.800 to join you girls. Good. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.040 How are you feeling because you came in nervous when 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.720 we first jumped on to record this episode, you were 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.680 giving a nervous energy around. 0:14:58.160 --> 0:14:58.320 You know. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.000 I don't know whether it was being on the podcast 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.440 or just how your game has played out this season, 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.160 But what exactly what were you most nervous about or 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:08.080 what are you nervous about? 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:12.200 I still feel nervous even right now talking about anything 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:18.560 and any reason, any decision ever in my life, I'm nervous. 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:24.000 So yeah, I mean, I just I just love to 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.880 light myself on fire and watch it all. Yeah, this 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.840 should probably just be on par with that, So I 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.520 assume this is beyond brand. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.560 Well, since you're talking about letting yourself on fire, now, 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.400 this is a stretch what I'm trying to connect to here, 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.680 But that means you're hot, right, And who else thinks 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.680 you're hot, or at least thinks your gameplay is Tom Holland. Yes, 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.359 how does it feel to be Tom Holland's favorite Survivor competitor? 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.440 I peeked out when I heard that. 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:53.520 I literally went around. 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.240 I was filming when I found that out for thirty nine, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.520 and I ran around to every sale person using no 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.520 pieces of information when you're in that house. So having 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.200 something like that to brag that, I went up to 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.200 everybody like ten times over, and I was like, guys, 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.680 Tom Holland as a fan, you know, like Sendaya's boyfriend, 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:11.720 you know, Spider. 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.000 Man, you know the guy. I was like, I don't 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:20.000 care if everybody else hates me. Tom Holland loves me, Dude, 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:20.680 that's a fact. 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.840 And I think that that like, and I can't even 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.280 I know what it's like to be in the house 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.600 and have literally nothing to talk about and have it 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.560 be super stressful. Obviously we got a glimpse of that 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:33.840 with this entire episode. So let's just go back to 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:38.200 the beginning of your season this time around. Obviously, you 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.840 were in a very blessed position, which you knew was 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.680 eventually going to come with having to pick a side. So, 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.000 looking back on it all, did you think it was 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.240 going to last as long as it did, that you'd 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.680 be able to ride both alliances? 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.600 To be honest, No, I was surprised that it lasted 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.640 as long as it did. And there was definitely moments 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:04.080 in middle, specifically surrounding like around when West was under 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.040 in the hot seat, where it was kind of like, 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.320 you know, Corey was like, West is really saying, like, 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:10.159 you have to pick. 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:11.560 A side, choose side. 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.320 I'm like, if they feel that I need to pick 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.800 a side right now, then they're not the side for 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.880 me because the other side isn't asking me to pick 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.040 a side. So I was kind of just like the 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.920 fact that it all went from like targeting the vets 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:26.440 and then a lot of the vets that I didn't 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.119 want to work with left, and the Vets that I 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.360 did want to work with stayed, and then it kind 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.120 of shifted to this polarization between the survivor and Big Brother. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.919 It was like perfect timing, shifting attention. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.360