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We love you, We love you 48 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: very much. Joining me now is an amazing comedian a 49 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: personal friend of mine, Akosh sing. He of course co 50 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: hosts Flagrant two with Andrew Schultz, also a good friend. 51 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: But he's coming out with a new special, Bringback a Pooh, Akash, 52 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm really glad that you're here. Tell us a little 53 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: bit about why you chose the name a poo. Why 54 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: also you're going straight to YouTube and some of the 55 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: rollout in the strategy behind this person of all, thank 56 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: you Sager for having me. I'm excited to misinform millions 57 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: of people. But I wanted to call the special bringback 58 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: up Pool because I thought a pool was a kipping 59 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: point of like victim of a currency for South Asian, 60 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: Whereas I my eyes have been open a lot, like 61 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: if you are a black American, you have been systemically oppressed. 62 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: You are a South Asian American, your feelings might get hurt, 63 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: but overall we're in fantastic shape. We're like forty percent 64 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: of the doctors in this country, whatever astronomical percentage. So 65 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: if you're going to point to this guy up who 66 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: as some oh my god, we should have some currency 67 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: in this victims but market, I just don't buy into that. 68 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: I think we are victors. We're not victims. And so 69 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: I wanted to do a special kind of centered around 70 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 1: that theme of like, you can't just shout down every 71 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: white guy and telling me he's privilege. We also have 72 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: privilege and we need to acknowledge that. Like I got 73 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: family in India with no electricity right now, So I'm 74 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: going to talk to them about white male privilege. What 75 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: kind of asshle would I be? Yeah? I want to 76 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: make it funny and have fun. Yeah, And so I 77 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: wanted to pope kind of Pope funded all that stuff. 78 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's fun. I remember this was a big 79 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: tipping point for me too, because I remember when that 80 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: Hari condolablu stuff started coming out about APHO and who 81 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: is this guy? Like he doesn't speak for me. I'm like, look, 82 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: ap who yeah, I mean, was it annoying? And somebody 83 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: says it when you're a child as you point to 84 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: Indian Americans are the richest people literally in the entire 85 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: United States. I mean, I don't know if there's been 86 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: a better example of people who have succeeded within a 87 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: single generation, which is astounding, honestly, and I frankly, you 88 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: know we should just celebrate it. But you know, choosing 89 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: victimhood complexes and more as a comic, how do you 90 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: play with that? So when you're talking, because you're not 91 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: just talking to an Indian audience, you're talking to all 92 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: kinds of people, So how do you play with those 93 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: jokes and make it relatable to as many people as possible. 94 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: I think Pooh is the one joke I had that's 95 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: kind of like South Asian centric in that special. And 96 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: I think a pool is something that we all kind 97 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: of recognized, and so many people were just like, I mean, 98 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to have your feelings with like we're going 99 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: to do a whole We're going to do a whole 100 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: like conversations and news articles about this thing that it 101 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like that big of a deal. So I 102 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: think that was kind of the idea of it, and 103 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: in general, I've noticed about me my whole life, I've 104 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: just been annoyed by the loudest voice around me. I 105 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: grew up in Texas and then I found extreme conservatives 106 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: really annoying and stupid, the same as you, and you 107 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: move to New York and LA and you're like, oh, 108 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: extreme liberals are just and that it helps you be 109 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: a comic. You got to fight against the loudest voice 110 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: in the room because usually they're wrong, and that's why 111 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: it be in so loud. So I think in there 112 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: in the middle was where most of my fan base is, 113 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: and we all kind of relate to this, like everything 114 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: around it just seems absurdly loud. So let's just poke 115 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: fun at all that and let's have fun. And that's 116 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: the kind of community we create. Even though I am 117 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: super proud of be in Salvation and I know that's 118 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: not gonna be my only fan base, and I love 119 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: that I'm talking to them the most a little bit, 120 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: but let everybody come in, Let's have fun, and let's 121 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: just like, let's laugh at all the subcurtainity. You know, 122 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: A gosh, you know, obviously I'm a fan man, I 123 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: listened to you guys podcasts all the time. I thought 124 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: really interesting that you guys are you and Andrew are 125 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: big believers in releasing specials and stuff to YouTube? That's 126 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: your plan here? So this obviously circumvents the old model, 127 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: which is you go to a Netflix, you go to 128 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: an Amazon, you try to sell it. Why did you 129 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: decide to do that? What's the strategy here? I just 130 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: to do that mainly because Andrew decided to do that, 131 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: and why not it works? But also yeah, but also 132 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: I noticed my whole career, and this is a similar 133 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: thing Andrew and I have, is that I was kind 134 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: of overlooked by the industry. And I'm not mad at them, 135 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: but they kind of tend to put on a lot 136 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: of minorities who kind of relish the victim but culture, 137 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: and I don't think it's it's ill intended. I think 138 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: people who are genuinely these executives genuinely do feel like, oh, 139 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: I've had a pretty privileged life and that sucks. So 140 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: when they put on a minority who kind of like 141 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: talks about how much they struggle and how much white 142 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: people are evil, whatever, I think they feel the leaves 143 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: that they're guilty because They're like, oh, well, I gave 144 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: them a platform, so I don't feel guilty. And I 145 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: think people that just became a cycle of like this 146 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: thing that we all see in the media, which is 147 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: every minority shouting down every white person, and it's just 148 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: not healthy. It's cool to make fun of each other. 149 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: I think we make fun of I don't believe in 150 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: punching down and punching up. We're all equal to all 151 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: punch each other in fun, but the industry didn't tend 152 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: to reward that, so we kind of had to take 153 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: this alternative route to do the style of comedy we 154 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: wanted to do. At the end of the day, that's 155 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: more important than making it is saying the things I 156 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: want to say and having fun. Got it. I still 157 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: remember one of the funniest clips I've ever seen you 158 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: guys do is when some Comedies Central executives lost your job, 159 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: and I remember watching it on Instagram. I literally lost 160 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: my mind about how funny that was. But it's it's 161 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: in a broader context of you guys looking over and 162 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: you have become, you know, massive stars. I've been to 163 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: some of Chelsea's shows in Dcor or elsewhere. I mean, 164 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: it's crazy to see it. We're talking about selling out 165 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: like huge auditoriums. You know, I very much hope to 166 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: see that in your future as well. And from that 167 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: point of view, Gosha, We've been talking a lot here 168 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: on the show about misinformation and about this, and to me, 169 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: the most pernicious part of this is Look, Joe Rogan, 170 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: He's gonna be fine. Dave Chappelle, They're gonna be fine. 171 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: You know who gets screwed. It's guys like us. Guys 172 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: like us who are on our way up. Can you 173 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: talk about why it's so important for you and for me, 174 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: an anybody else who finds himself on the way up 175 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: not to participating these things, because it ultimately just leads 176 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: to either self censorship or the destruction possibly of our 177 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: own careers as we want we want to last and 178 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: be successful too. Yeah, in general, I don't really want 179 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: to center anybody who I think is speaking authentically, even 180 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: if I disagree with you. If you believe these things, 181 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: I will really yell back and forth. But in no 182 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: way do I think an argument should be me yelling 183 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: at you for yelling and then silencing. I think that's 184 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: unhealthy across the board. Aside from career ramifications, and I 185 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: don't think the career aramifications are as great because at 186 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: the end of the day, people want to hear discussions. 187 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: That's why you guys are chilling it. That's why you're 188 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: one of the biggest podcasts in use podcast on Earth 189 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: over CNN or MPR whatever, and you're behind the payble 190 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: like these free podcasts that are just full of shit. 191 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: Everybody's bypassing them to go to you because it's authenticity 192 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: and that we want authenticity. But I also think, for 193 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm like a savior in any way, 194 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: but I think, sure, this country is not in good 195 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: shape if, period, we just stop allowing each other to talk, 196 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: if we just keep yelling at each other and demonizing 197 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: the other side, and that person shouldn't be able to talk, 198 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, this person shouldn't be able to talk, and 199 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: then actually silent thing, the country's just not going to 200 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: be okay, period. And that's the smallest ramification is I 201 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: can't tell my ridiculous jokes, but I think overall that's 202 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: the thing that we should be war of. You really 203 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: well said, man. This is coming out Wednesday, so it 204 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: comes out literally today for everybody who is listening. Where 205 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: can everybody go and watch? Watch it on my YouTube channel. 206 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: It's a awk gosh thing comedy that's ak double ash 207 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: sigh comedy. It's called Bring Back Up Poo and I'm 208 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: so excited for you guys to see it. I think 209 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: we had a lot of fun with this. I can't 210 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: wait to watch it. We're going to link down there 211 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: in the description. Also check out his workover at Flagrant two. 212 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: If you go to his website and touring the country, 213 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: go and see all of his comedy appearances. Live a gosh, 214 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: my friend, Thank you so much for joining the show. 215 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. Thank you so much, man, God blest buddy, 216 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: love you. See you later. Joining us. Now for our 217 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: weekly partnership segment with the Daily Poster, we have Julia Rock. 218 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: She is the reporter on a new piece headlined Biden 219 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: moves to block student debt victory. The President created draconian 220 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: bankruptcy laws. Now his administration appears to be trying to 221 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: overturn a ruling that helps those bankrupted by student loans. 222 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: Go to see Julia. See Julia, thanks so much for 223 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: having me. So this is a throwback. This is Biden 224 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: getting back to his roots of making the bankruptcy laws 225 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: worse for ordinary people. Tell us what's going on here. Yeah, 226 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: So this is a case about a thirty five year 227 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: old man who held about one hundred thousand dollars in 228 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: student debt, and he went to bankruptcy court in Delaware 229 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: to have the debt discharged. He he is sort of 230 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: unable to keep a job due to disability. There are 231 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: a lot of extenuating circumstances in this case, and so 232 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: he went to bankruptcy court to have his debt, half 233 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: of which is held by the federal government, which is 234 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: held by a private provider, to have his debt discharged. 235 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: And he had a rare victory in court. You know, 236 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: bankruptcy judges, in part thanks to laws that Biden helped 237 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: write as a senator, set a very high standard for 238 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: having a student debt discharged through bankruptcy. So this man 239 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: wins a rare victory. A few days ago, the Biden 240 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: administration announces that it's going to be appealing the judge's decision, 241 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: which not only could you know, prevent this man from 242 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: having his student loan debt discharged, but it could also 243 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: sort of bolster this existing legal precedent which creates a 244 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: very high standard for having debt discharged through bankruptcy. Got it, 245 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: So explain that court appeal a little bit. So this 246 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: is a conscious choice. Basically they are choosing to do this. 247 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: Is it a matter of administration policy? Like are they 248 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: standing up for a law? What's even their rationale? Okay, 249 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: So first I'll just note that the administration has filed 250 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: its notice of appeal. It has not yet filed a brief, 251 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: so the rationale remains to be seen. But what I 252 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: will say is that this case, in this case, in 253 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: the original case, the administration did, you know, fight this debtor, 254 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: which which already it didn't you know, necessarily have to do. 255 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: This has been something that the Biden administration has done 256 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: quite frequently during during its first year, has been, you know, 257 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: go up against student loan borrowers in bankruptcy court. That 258 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: is something that Senator Elizabeth Warren and some advocacy groups 259 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: have encouraged the Biden administration not to do. But this 260 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: is sort of an additional step, so that they fight 261 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: this man in bankruptcy court and he wins. That's rare, 262 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: and now they're they're sort of taking the exceptional step 263 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: to appeal to ruling, bringing it into a higher court 264 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: where president could could be more meaningful. And you know, 265 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: again not only not only fighting this one individual, but 266 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: also fighting against a more favorable legal precedent. And how 267 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: does this new posture differ from some of the rhetoric 268 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: and campaign pledges that Joe Biden ran on. Yeah, well 269 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: so most importantly, you know, Biden said more than once 270 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: that he would immediately cancel at least ten thousand dollars 271 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: worth of student loan debt per borrower, and of course 272 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: that hasn't happened yet. You know, he has postponed student 273 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: loan repayments continuing, but that's about it. And there was 274 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: an additional sort of smaller or less covered promise that 275 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: Biden made on the campaign trail, which was to reform 276 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: these bankruptcy laws, which again he helped write that really 277 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: rig the system against student debtors. And his Education Department 278 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: claims to be sort of reviewing its policies towards these 279 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: bankruptcy cases, but there hasn't been anything yet. There hasn't 280 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: been anything like, you know, an executive order to prevent 281 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: the Justice Department from from interviewing in these cases. As 282 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: some advocates have called for, and you know, once again, 283 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: Biden is actually doing very much the opposite, not only 284 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: fighting these people but now appealing this case. Wow a, Jelia. 285 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: One of the things that's interesting here that we've tracked 286 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: on this show with your colleague David Serota is how 287 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean, this work that Biden did on rigging the 288 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: bankruptcy laws was some of his most odious work that 289 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: he did in the Senate. It was also something that 290 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: he famously butted heads with Elizabeth Warren over. I mean, 291 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: she really called him out and took him to task 292 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: and said, you can't claim to be a supporter of 293 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: women when you're you know, rigging these bankruptcy laws on 294 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: paraphrasing to screw them in your work over here as senator. 295 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: And yet they didn't figure a whole lot into the 296 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: Democratic primary campaign. I mean, the discussion of some of 297 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: his worst accesses in support of the financial service industry 298 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: weren't a major focal point of that campaign. And so 299 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: then you know, it's easy for him to make these 300 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: moves when he was never really held to account. Yeah, 301 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at warren comments about what 302 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: Biden was doing in two thousand and five, they're scathing. 303 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: She's accusing him of being in the pocket of the 304 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: financial industry. Yeah, of working against poor people, basically impending 305 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: these laws. And she has been, you know, to recredit 306 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: one of the senators pushing Biden on canceling student loan debt. 307 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: She helped lead a letter last week to demand that 308 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: the Education Department release its memo that has been complete 309 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: for almost a year reviewing its own authority to cancel 310 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: student loan debt. But certainly she's not saying anything, and 311 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: she was not saying anything during the twenty twenty presidential 312 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: primaries on the level of what she was saying back 313 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: in two thousand and five. Wow. Well, it's really interesting, Julia. 314 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: Great find, and we appreciate your guys reporting. So thank you. 315 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: Great to see Julia. Thanks so much our pleasure, and 316 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: thank you guys for watching. We're going to have more 317 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: for you later, all right. So people are trying to 318 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: cancel Joe Rogan. People are also trying to cancel the 319 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: platforms which enable people who are not as famous as 320 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, but who are making a living out here 321 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: in the independent media ecosystem. Let's put this up there 322 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: on the screen. And this is not an op ed, 323 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: it's a freaking news article from the Washington Post Technology desk. Quote. 324 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: Conspiracy theory spanned on major social networks, connect with audiences 325 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: on newsletters and podcasts, ooh, dangerous newsletter company Substack is 326 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: making millions off of anti vaccine content, according to estimates, 327 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: and they point to some problematic folks who have been 328 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: banned from YouTube or wherever and are making some money 329 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: on substack. And Substack had a very classy response at 330 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: least and said, look, we don't believe in censorship. We 331 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: believe in free expression. We believe simply in enabling technology 332 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: which allows that to happen. We have content rules and plagiarism, 333 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: you know, anything that explicitly encourages people to do something 334 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: which is actively dangerous or as well as harm docsing, 335 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: you know, the classic stuff that you get, and anything 336 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: that doesn't violate that we are going to air on 337 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: the side a free expression. But this isn't coming. It's 338 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 1: not a coincidence that's happening at the same time as 339 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: Rogan Crystal. It's a concerted effort by the media and 340 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: the people who are threatened by substack and by these 341 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: alternative platforms in order to try and destroy many of 342 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: their competitors. They cannot stand that anybody who has been banned, 343 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: at least on the tech platforms that they prefer, has 344 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: the ability to get their voice out in any other way. 345 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: They disgesting they don't like the competition, and they can't 346 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: stand not having complete control over what can be said 347 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: in the public sphere. I actually thought the response from 348 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: substack was really good. They said, they said, the more 349 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: the powerful institutions attempt to control what can and cannot 350 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: be said in public, the more people there will be, 351 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: The more people there will be who are ready to 352 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: create alternative narratives about what's true. It's burred by belief 353 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: that there's a conspiracy to suppress important information, which I 354 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: think I think that's a really important point that all 355 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: of your efforts at censorship and labeling and like moral 356 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: outrage and panic attacks over oh my god, these unfettered 357 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: conversations happening on this platform or that platform, you're only 358 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: causing people to feel like, you know, oh well, what 359 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: is so dangerous about this information? Why does this have 360 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: to be suppressed? Why can't you just deal with that 361 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: in the light of day and ultimately have these conversations. 362 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: I also think it's funny because like I went and 363 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: looked at substack, and the top writers are in politics 364 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: right now. The number one person in politics is still 365 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: Heather Cox Richardson, who writes letters from American That's like 366 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: it's just like a resistance. Look, it's like a wine model. Yeah, 367 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with I mean history and she but 368 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: she has this very like resistancy sort of ideology. Okay, 369 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: and she's been very successful there. For number two is 370 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: the Dispatch. Isn't that like a it's the cringe never Trump. 371 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: It's like a never trump thing, right, So that's number two. 372 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: Then comes Taibi Okay. Then comes Bulwark, which is another 373 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: like friends never trumping. So, I mean the article paints 374 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: it like all that's on substack is anti vaxers, right, 375 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: that's the way they want to make you feel, like, 376 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: like what were some of the social like parlor or 377 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: whatever that it becomes or gab that did evolve into 378 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: this just like total right wing conspiracy laden nonsense. Substack 379 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: has people literally across the entire ideological spectrum. That's the point. 380 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: Including we had a substack, we don't really send to it. Anymore. 381 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: I have a substack with Kyle for Crystal, Kyle and Friends. 382 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: Glenn's there, Matt's there, there's resistance lives, there's never trumpers, 383 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: and yes there are some like apparently anti vaxed people. Okay, 384 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: but the whole idea that it's going to be that 385 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: an effective strategy in a democratic society is just try 386 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: to censor the information that you know that is wrong 387 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: sometimes or that is uncomfortable, it is hateful, that is 388 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: outside of what you think the mainstream should be. It 389 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: just doesn't work out. And by the way, it always 390 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: comes back to, Okay, well, who's going to be the sensor? Yeah, 391 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: because these people have their own financial and personal and 392 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: power interest in determining what the sphere of acceptable conversation 393 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: ultimately is. So yeah, it's not an accident that they 394 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: go through like one by one every single platform. There's 395 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: a panic about podcasts right now too. There's a panic 396 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: about there's a panic about YouTube, there's a panic about substack. 397 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: Every one of these new platforms is subjected to the 398 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: same freak out about unfettered conversations and you know, unregulated 399 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: speech in these places. Yeah, I think that's very true. 400 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: And you know, here's my favorite about who latches onto 401 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: these these campaigns. Put the sext one up there. So 402 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: Chelsea Clinton's is act divacs grift going strong? Why is 403 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: substack facilitating science denialists? They're making so much money a 404 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: year publishing on stack. Here is a great Glenn Greenwald response. 405 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: Put this up there. I freaking love this, and I'm 406 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: gonna read it because it is just so completely brutal 407 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: on Chelsea Clinton that Chelsea Clinton is lamenting this Substack 408 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: is profiting off of a grift. Apparently, this political heiress, 409 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: who is one of the world's richest individuals by virtue 410 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: of winning the birth lottery of being born to rich 411 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: and powerful parents who in turn enriched themselves by cashing 412 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: in on their political influence in exchange for seventy seven 413 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars payches from Goldman Sachs, and 414 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: who herself was showered with a six hundred thousand dollars 415 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: contract from NBC News despite no qualifications, believe she is 416 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: in a position to accuse others of grifting. This is 417 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: the perfect perfect response, which is, no, you're the grifter. 418 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: You're worth fifty to one hundred million dollars you're on 419 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: the board of like Expedia. Oh yeah, I'm sure you're 420 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: a fricking genius, Chelsea Clinton. I mean, this is what 421 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. The people who are pushing the censorship 422 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: campaigns of some people are making a lit little bit 423 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: of money on stuff. Set that two point five million 424 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: is what these people make in interest a year off 425 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: of the grift that they have been pulling off of 426 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: what on all of us really for the last couple 427 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: of decades. So you know, look, all we can really 428 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: point to is that the attacks are coming strong. I 429 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: knew they would. It was always my fear whenever we 430 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: set up our business here. But ultimately, look, the only 431 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: the reason to do it is because of all of 432 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: you who are out there who speak out against this stuff. 433 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: So the campaign continues. I don't know what else to say. Personally, 434 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm very concerned about some of the warmongering lies and 435 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: Russia Gate lies that some of these other content creators 436 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: on substack have been profiting off of. So if we're 437 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: going to have a conversation about misinformation, let's have a 438 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: fullsome conversation about misinformation and who is getting what wrong 439 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: where and with what concepts. Label every single thing the 440 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: Pentagon says about Ukraine misinformation and then I'll start to 441 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: believe you. All right, guys, thanks for watching. A lot 442 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: more for you later. Some big news on the Amazon front. 443 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: New ruling from NLARB. Let's go ahead and put this 444 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: tear sheet up on the screen. The NLRB has accused 445 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: Amazon of threatening and surveilling warehouse workers on Staten Island. 446 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: That is a significant facility. That's, of course where Christian 447 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: Smalls was working when he was fired, they say for 448 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: violating COVID protocols. Okay, what he was really fired for 449 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: was agitating for better conditions and potentially a union for 450 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: his workers. It's also where we've tracked worker who again 451 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: was agitating for union rights, who was fired, who has 452 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: now been made homeless because he was fired potentially illegally 453 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: by Amazon. They deny all wrongdoing, et cetera, et cetera. 454 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: Let me give you a little bit of what this 455 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: article says. Federal labor regulators on Thursday accused Amazon if 456 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: illegally surveilling and threatening workers who are trying to unionize 457 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: a Staten Island, New York warehouse. They want to compel 458 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: Amazon to take certain actions to inform workers of their 459 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: right to organize. That's according to a regional director for 460 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: the agency. They say that Amazon repeatedly broke the law 461 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: by threatening, surveilling, and interrogating their Staten Island warehouse workers 462 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: who are engaged in a union organizing campaign. Amazon says 463 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: this is false and will show it through the process. 464 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: But you know, some of the behavior that they were 465 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: accused of here is really quite incredible. According to the complaint, 466 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,479 Speaker 1: they interrogated employees about their organizing activities, called union organizers thugs, 467 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: and allegedly threatened employees by telling him it would be 468 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: futile to select the union as they're bargaining representative. They're 469 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: also accused of soliciting unspecified grievances from employees with the 470 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: promised to reviedy them if they reject the union, so 471 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: basically saying like, hey, if you've got some problem, I 472 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: can fix it for you if you reject the union. 473 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: This is totally and completely illegal. Union elections are supposed 474 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: workers have a right to join a union if they 475 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: want to join a union. Union elections are supposed to 476 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: occur in a laboratory environment, which is exactly what the 477 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: NLRB ruled Amazon had violated in that election down in Bessemer, 478 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: And all of this becomes really significant because the Amazon 479 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: labor union, this new union that's attempting to organize the 480 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: workers there on Staten Island, they just collected sufficient signatures 481 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: to trigger a union election. So this is an ongoing situation. 482 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: The one thing I'll point out here is how pathetic 483 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 1: it is that, like the remedy for this blatantly illegal 484 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: bullying and union busting behavior is that they're going to 485 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: have to like post notices around the warehouse about what 486 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: workers rights actually are. We always try to point that out. Yeah, 487 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: you know, you can find them, but they always get 488 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: away with it. This is part of the problem. And 489 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, you look at this stuff. It is just 490 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: so blatant. Also, how good is it that this news 491 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: comes from the Washington Post. Yeah, that's a great bright 492 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos. And let me tell you something. They immediately 493 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: in the fourth graph put Amazon spokesperson said the allegations 494 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: were false. Discl Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Posts. 495 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: These are little things you would never think of. It's 496 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: very very rare. In order to have the direct response 497 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: from the company, all the way up above the fold, 498 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: so to speak, in order to make it so that 499 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: it's in the very fourth paragraph. I know this because 500 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: I used to write and was a journalist, And if 501 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: you read, you can see that the responses are usually 502 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: buried in the twentieth or the thirtieth or whatever paragraph, 503 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: and they describe the allegation fully before, but instead they 504 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: put the response and then they go into the details 505 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: that Crystal all just laid out. So another little piece 506 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: of medium manipulation for all of you folks out there. 507 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: But look, this is the second time now they've been 508 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,719 Speaker 1: caught threatening and surveilling warehouse workers on Staten Island. They 509 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: have to redo the election because they basically rigged it 510 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: over at Bessemer, even though they probably would have won anyways. 511 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 1: So you know, there's God, the stuff these people get 512 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: away with, it's unbelievable. Yeah, and listen, I mean, I 513 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: think it's still very long odds in Bessemer that the 514 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: result will be any different, but the climate is a 515 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: little bit different now from when they are originally running 516 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: that election, so I do think they have a little 517 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: bit of a better shot this time around. But it 518 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: just shows you how you know the technical right to 519 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: join a union is you know, it's it's very difficult 520 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: because workers are rational to look at this set of 521 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: circumstances and say, you know what, they're threatening to fire me, 522 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: or they're threatening to close the plant if I vote 523 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: in favor of the union, if we ultimately end up 524 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: with a union, and you know what, they've done that 525 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: sort of stuff before and they got away with it. 526 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: So that's why these circumstances are so incredibly difficult, and 527 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: of course that's why you need a total sea change 528 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: in the way that we approach unionization and the way 529 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: that these elections ultimately occur. But you know, once again, 530 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: they're caught red handed effectively bullying, surveilling, and engaging in 531 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: these blatantly illegal tactics even under our sort of toothless 532 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: current union laws. And you know, I think the more 533 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: or that people see the way that Amazon behaves here, 534 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: the more workers are feeling in bolden, the better chance 535 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: we have of at least gaining a little bit of 536 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: ground within the labor movement. And ultimately, we care about 537 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: this so much because if you don't have an organized 538 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: working class, like honestly, you don't really have a democracy, 539 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: do you just have a corporatetocracy. You have exactly what 540 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: we have now, where it's rich people and corporate interests 541 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: who run everything because there is zero counterbalancing force. I've 542 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: been pointing it out here. But look, you know, unionization 543 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: actually went down in the year twenty twenty one, which 544 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: shows you a lot. When we have a big worker 545 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: revolution happening, which we all support, but we got to 546 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: make sure we keep these lasting changes. It can't be temporary. 547 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: You got to have people out there fighting. Should we 548 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: reform union? I don't know, you know, I don't have 549 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: the answer to a lot of this. I just want 550 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: people to have better lives and to fight for them. 551 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: And this is you know, this is just exactly what 552 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: all these folks are up against because they rule your 553 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: life if you work at these companies, and it shouldn't 554 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: be that way. That's right, all right, all right, guys, 555 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: thanks for watching. We'll have more for you later. You 556 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: would think that this saga with Rogan would end, and 557 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: yet somehow, Crystal it makes it all the way to 558 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: the White House press briefing room where Jensaki says that, well, 559 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: what happened to Rogan? You know, the labeling is fine, 560 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: but we want to see more from the company. Here's 561 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: what she had to say. Sure. Last week, the Surgeon 562 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: General also was asked on MSNBC about Joe Rogan's vaccine 563 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: comments on Spotify, and he said that tech companies have 564 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: an important role to play in stopping misinformation because they 565 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: are the predominant places where misinformation spreads. Spotify is putting 566 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: out advisory warnings on episodes that have to do with 567 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. Does the White House in the administration think 568 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: this is a satisfactory step or do you do you 569 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: think that companies like Spotify should go further than just 570 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: you know, putting a label on there to say, hey, 571 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: go do your own you know, to check this out. 572 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: You know, there's more research you can look at, you know, 573 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: signed research Gardi COVID. Sure, well last July you probably know. 574 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: But the Surgeon General also took the unprecedented step to 575 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: issue an advisor on the risk of misinformation and public health, 576 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: which is a very significant step. And amid that, he 577 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: talked about the role social media platforms have. So our 578 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: hope is that all major tech platforms, and all major 579 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: news sources for that matter, be responsible and be vigilant 580 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: to ensure the American people have access to accurate information 581 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: on something as significant as COVID nineteen that certainly includes Spotify. 582 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: So this disclaimer, it's a positive step, but we want 583 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: every platform to continue doing more to call out missing 584 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: disinformation while also uplifting accurate information. I mean, look at 585 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: the facts, right you are sixteen times more likely to 586 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: be hospitalized if you're unvaccinated and sixty eight times more 587 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: likely to die than someone who is boosted if you're unvaccinated. 588 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: That's pretty significant, and we think that is something that 589 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 1: unquestionably should be the basis of how people are communicating 590 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: about it. But ultimately, you know our views. It's a 591 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: good step, it's a positive step, but there's more that 592 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: can be done, more that can be done. Who are 593 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: these people to tell Spotify who and what should be 594 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: on their platform? This is like during the entire Facebook SOGA. 595 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, imagine having that privileged position 596 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: of being able to ask a question of the White 597 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: House Press secretary when you have the climate crisis you've got, 598 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, people's lives are up, and inflation, I mean, 599 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: all of these major issues, and you want to know 600 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: about the labeling on Spotify I know what Joe Rogan's 601 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: podcast because he knows it's going to get clips and 602 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: he knows his face is going to be on television. 603 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: It's disgusting. And oh, by the way, this I knew 604 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: immediately when they started going this direction of like, let 605 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: me tell you about the misinformation out there on Facebook 606 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: and on Spotify, on all these platforms. When they did 607 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: this a while back. This is a great way to 608 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: scapegoat to distract from their own failings with regard to 609 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: the pandemic. Why don't you ask if you're worried about 610 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: pandemic deaths, why don't you ask why we aren't pushing 611 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: for a healthcare system that doesn't incentivize chronic illness and 612 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: death and keep people detached from the medical system so 613 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: that they're fearful of going to the doctor when they 614 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: get sick. Why don't you ask about that? Or why 615 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: don't you ask about how they lied about caring that 616 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: the big pharma companies lifted their patent protections. They said, oh, yeah, 617 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: we support that, and then they did nothing about it 618 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: and continue to block that proposed that the World Trade Organization. 619 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: If you're worried about people being unvaccinated, let me tell 620 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: you you got way bigger fish to fry than freaking 621 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan. It's just so outrageous, and the number of 622 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: people who are begging for politicians to take a more 623 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: active hand in censorship and picking who can be heard 624 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: and who can't be heard is deeply, deeply desissed. Nuts. 625 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: But okay, let's talk about misinformation. You say there's an 626 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: imminent attack by Russia on Ukraine. The Ukrainians say that's 627 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: not true. So is that misinformation? That's actually real misinformation 628 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: about what you are saying? You say something about you say, 629 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: for example, on the Biden administration with all of their 630 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: claims around Russia, which is being driven by Putin for X, 631 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: Y and Z, is any of that even true? I mean, 632 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: what about that? Miss Do you want to talk about 633 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: dangerous activity? What are you doing in Afghanistan right now? 634 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: Denying millions of people are about to starve to a 635 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: million people have already fled the country, millions of children 636 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: are about to starve to death, and you're asking about 637 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: whether the labeling is enough on Joe Rogan's podcast. It's 638 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: such a joke. I mean, that's the thing is, it's 639 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 1: just such a joke. It's such a show. You're right, 640 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: the incentives are so perverse. All that dude cares about 641 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: is like a clip on the nightly news or whatever, 642 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: so people like us will talk about it, which here 643 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: we are doing. I guess it serves his interests, but 644 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: at least we're showing you what the real incentives are 645 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: involved here. It's disgraceful. It's such a show and just 646 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: pure theater and a distraction from anything that would actually 647 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: make people's lives better. So yeah, it's very convenient for 648 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: them to scapegoat. You know, Joe who listen. I talked 649 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: about those podcasts and issues I had with him them. 650 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 1: But the idea that that's the problem in the country 651 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: is completely insane. People couldn't even get tested out. I mean, 652 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: here we are the omicron wave of subsiding. We still 653 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,239 Speaker 1: haven't gotten our damn test. So it's utterly rittenban I'm 654 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: watching this. This is all part of a cathedral plan 655 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: in order to try and destroy him, Like I am 656 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: watching this very closely. We've got the White House involved, now, 657 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: the New York Times op ed page. Now I see 658 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: other artists out there trying to recruit Taylor Swift and 659 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: some of the biggest streamers on the platform. I'm watching 660 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: this happen in real time as they ramp it all up. 661 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: You know another thing I'd never considered, Crystal, I think 662 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: it's mighty convenient that this all happened right before earning season. 663 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: So Daniel Eck was actually forced in order to answer 664 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: on his earnings call when the stock has now dropped 665 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: by twenty percent over at Spotify. He's the CEO. Is 666 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: he's the CEO of Spotify. Now, this is something which 667 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: actually has been happening to Dave Portnoy, which is that 668 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: business Insider continues to drop these ridiculous people. We don't 669 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: have to litigate it right now, but they continue to 670 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: drop these sexual assault allegations against him right before his 671 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: company has to go and have earnings call, which puts 672 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: a huge screw on him and his stockholders and shareholders. 673 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: I think that's the exact same thing about what's happening. 674 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: We are watching all of this happen right before Spotify 675 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: earnings in order to try and destroy the stock, destroy 676 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: the company, and force them ultimately to fire Rogan. So 677 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: none of this is none of this is organic. I'm 678 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: fully convinced this is like a massive hit job, which 679 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: is all just happening, you know, semi, you know, kind 680 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: of organically, because the incentives for these people is to 681 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: continue to spew it up. But it's a big it's 682 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: a big con job that's being pulled off on people, 683 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: and it's covering up for a lot of crimes by 684 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: the people actually in these towns. Yeah, it's a total distraction. 685 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: It's disgraceful. Ye. All right, guys, thanks for watching. We're 686 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: gonna have more for you later