1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. 4 00:00:37,839 --> 00:00:39,638 Speaker 2: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall of Fame, 5 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: Mike Gravel. 6 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 7 00:00:42,519 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 9 00:00:47,918 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 3: hoy Or. Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, 10 00:00:50,519 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 3: but number one in our hearts at least, Rodney Harrison. 11 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:56,079 Speaker 1: Good to be home, Good to see you, guys. Search 12 00:00:56,119 --> 00:00:58,519 Speaker 1: for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 13 00:01:00,639 --> 00:01:03,559 Speaker 3: Henry's appointing the first the second possession where you were 14 00:01:03,639 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 3: driving so much and just to have a stolen. 15 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:05,758 Speaker 2: The way it did. 16 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 3: His penalties, I penonies just hurt us. I think hurts 17 00:01:09,279 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 3: kind of the whole first half, just hurting ourselves. Were 18 00:01:12,559 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 3: hatching smooth the ball and these guys, and they're pretty 19 00:01:15,759 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 3: good up front and they're a good defense that we 20 00:01:17,399 --> 00:01:19,518 Speaker 3: faced just and nothing that they did, I think just 21 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:22,239 Speaker 3: penalties set us back and kind of put us behind 22 00:01:22,239 --> 00:01:22,639 Speaker 3: the eight ball. 23 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:29,999 Speaker 2: We can't do that you know, in this league. 24 00:01:27,639 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 3: I feel like Gus or maybe like to improving the 25 00:01:31,199 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 3: time of you guys are kind of taking step back. 26 00:01:32,999 --> 00:01:34,439 Speaker 2: Yet I wouldn't say that. 27 00:01:34,559 --> 00:01:37,239 Speaker 3: I think, uh, you know, these penalties are something that 28 00:01:37,279 --> 00:01:40,239 Speaker 3: you know you can control. I don't think I think, 29 00:01:40,599 --> 00:01:44,158 Speaker 3: you know, you see something improving. I think we're making 30 00:01:44,199 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 3: plays and we got a chance to do some things. 31 00:01:46,479 --> 00:01:49,199 Speaker 3: But I think penloties are something that you know, it's 32 00:01:49,279 --> 00:01:52,439 Speaker 3: necessarily easy fix, but you know it's more focused and listening, 33 00:01:52,559 --> 00:01:54,599 Speaker 3: you know, to the to the calls and uh, to 34 00:01:54,679 --> 00:01:56,839 Speaker 3: the cadence and little things like that. So I don't 35 00:01:56,879 --> 00:01:59,359 Speaker 3: think it's something we're just getting beat and out talented. 36 00:01:59,399 --> 00:02:01,079 Speaker 3: I think it's just something that we're hurting ourselves. And 37 00:02:01,279 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 3: so we got a chance these last games to put 38 00:02:02,599 --> 00:02:04,439 Speaker 3: some good film on tape and and find with some 39 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 3: fond ones. 40 00:02:06,759 --> 00:02:09,479 Speaker 1: How do you feel about that cadence and the calls. 41 00:02:09,079 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 2: For you, uh, you know, credit to the stadium. 42 00:02:11,399 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 3: I think they're they're a loud of them, pretty loud 43 00:02:13,839 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 3: of times, and you know, I think just be on 44 00:02:16,239 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 3: different cadences and you know, we worked it all week 45 00:02:17,839 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 3: and just uh sometimes you know, don't blame those guys upront. 46 00:02:21,839 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 3: They got a tough job and get off on the 47 00:02:23,079 --> 00:02:25,199 Speaker 3: snap count, and you'll get back there and block some 48 00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:27,319 Speaker 3: pretty good guys on the edge. So I don't I 49 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 3: don't blame them for for getting off and trying to 50 00:02:28,959 --> 00:02:30,319 Speaker 3: get a good set, and you don't think some times 51 00:02:30,358 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 3: those happened. 52 00:02:30,799 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 2: I just think we had, you know, too many. I 53 00:02:32,119 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 2: think you know holds. 54 00:02:33,959 --> 00:02:37,439 Speaker 3: I think some of them just pushed down the first down. 55 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 3: First down, you're getting first and twenties and second, you know, second, sixteens. 56 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,279 Speaker 2: It's just hard. It's hard to you know, pick up 57 00:02:42,279 --> 00:02:45,758 Speaker 2: first down to move the ball. One of the misconnections 58 00:02:45,839 --> 00:02:48,918 Speaker 2: with scenario you kind of it looking like another miscommunication point. 59 00:02:49,519 --> 00:02:51,159 Speaker 2: I mean I just missed him. I just missed him. Yeah, 60 00:02:51,159 --> 00:02:51,559 Speaker 2: I got a. 61 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 3: Chance to you put ourselves and go score and put 62 00:02:53,799 --> 00:02:55,039 Speaker 3: some points on the board and keep us in the 63 00:02:55,038 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 3: ball game. 64 00:02:55,439 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 2: Really more is mad myself. 65 00:02:57,159 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 3: We caught them in the blitz from you know, the 66 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,198 Speaker 3: boundary blitz that you know really was nobody cover them, 67 00:03:01,239 --> 00:03:03,478 Speaker 3: so uh just got to you gotta hit him. 68 00:03:03,479 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 2: That's an easy throw and just missed it. 69 00:03:05,959 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 3: So much of this year we've talked about learning experiences, 70 00:03:09,239 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 3: you know, doing this for the first time on the turnovers, like. 71 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 2: With what do you take on those that you learn 72 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: from going forward? 73 00:03:15,399 --> 00:03:16,478 Speaker 3: On those two plays? 74 00:03:16,679 --> 00:03:17,039 Speaker 2: Uh? 75 00:03:17,119 --> 00:03:19,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, the fumble, just just just find a way to 76 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 3: protect the football and go down or find a way 77 00:03:21,519 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 3: to get it out. I think nobody could have spun 78 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,279 Speaker 3: out of it, uh you know, kind of reversed out 79 00:03:26,279 --> 00:03:28,319 Speaker 3: of it and maybe could have you know, escaped it. 80 00:03:28,359 --> 00:03:30,999 Speaker 3: But you know than that just can't kind of I 81 00:03:30,999 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 3: don't want to swim move swim with the guy with 82 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:34,879 Speaker 3: the football is it's just bad protect the football. We 83 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:36,599 Speaker 3: appreciate it all week and I didn't do that out there. 84 00:03:36,599 --> 00:03:39,159 Speaker 3: And the interception, you know, just trying to make trying 85 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:40,599 Speaker 3: to check it down and happen to get tipped. 86 00:03:40,639 --> 00:03:42,479 Speaker 2: So I'm not too you know, worried about that. 87 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:45,159 Speaker 1: I know what you touchdown, Cooper, you. 88 00:03:45,599 --> 00:03:47,239 Speaker 3: Just broke and play and then just trying to make 89 00:03:47,239 --> 00:03:49,079 Speaker 3: a play and you'll put some points on the board. 90 00:03:49,799 --> 00:03:51,719 Speaker 3: You guys have worked down the way you work Drake, 91 00:03:51,799 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 3: Are you more willing to take risks you know that 92 00:03:54,559 --> 00:03:56,879 Speaker 3: might result the turnovers because you guys do have to 93 00:03:56,879 --> 00:03:58,879 Speaker 3: push too. Yeah, I think it's hard. It's hard to balance, 94 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:01,159 Speaker 3: you know, trying to make plays and you'll keep drives alive. 95 00:04:01,239 --> 00:04:02,999 Speaker 2: You know we're in third and you. 96 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:05,439 Speaker 3: Know third and long or the last touchdowns, fourth and fifteen, 97 00:04:05,519 --> 00:04:06,959 Speaker 3: just trying to make something happen, and you'll give us 98 00:04:06,959 --> 00:04:09,599 Speaker 3: a little give us a little light. And they ended 99 00:04:09,639 --> 00:04:11,359 Speaker 3: up happening, and you know, guns put us back in 100 00:04:11,399 --> 00:04:13,359 Speaker 3: the ball game and then go down there and you know, 101 00:04:13,399 --> 00:04:16,399 Speaker 3: turn the ball back over. So it's tough, is frustrating, 102 00:04:16,558 --> 00:04:18,438 Speaker 3: and you know we got better football ahead of us, 103 00:04:18,438 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 3: and you know this wasn't our best product today. 104 00:04:20,359 --> 00:04:22,878 Speaker 2: Three final push. You've won a lot of games throughout 105 00:04:22,919 --> 00:04:26,199 Speaker 2: your life. How you're handling struggles right now? Yeah, it's tough. 106 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: You know, anytime you're losing, I think just you know, 107 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:31,119 Speaker 3: like I've always said, hate losing women. You know, I 108 00:04:31,159 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 3: really like to win, so losing sucks. And I think, 109 00:04:35,639 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 3: you know, just you know, I told some guys sign 110 00:04:37,318 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 3: just remember this feeling, you know, I remember this feeling 111 00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:41,119 Speaker 3: of really who gets our butts up today? 112 00:04:41,119 --> 00:04:42,999 Speaker 2: And I think, you know it's only up from here. 113 00:04:42,999 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 3: And we got a bright you know a lot of bright, 114 00:04:45,719 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: bright shoot sure, and bright players in there there making 115 00:04:48,678 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 3: players for Patriots different. 116 00:04:51,239 --> 00:04:53,519 Speaker 2: If you get a touchdown on that first it's the 117 00:04:53,558 --> 00:04:55,639 Speaker 2: second possession, but in their first sustained. 118 00:04:55,239 --> 00:04:56,959 Speaker 3: Drive, Like, do you ever think back to that when 119 00:04:56,958 --> 00:04:58,998 Speaker 3: I think it's a whole different game if we score there, 120 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:01,759 Speaker 3: I think so maybe I think it's easy to say it's, 121 00:05:02,799 --> 00:05:03,959 Speaker 3: you know, a whole new ball game, and you know, 122 00:05:04,119 --> 00:05:06,079 Speaker 3: go and score for fourteen seven, make it fourteen to seven. 123 00:05:06,119 --> 00:05:07,959 Speaker 2: You know, it's a lot no better. 124 00:05:07,719 --> 00:05:09,959 Speaker 3: Than you know, pumping it away and making it, you know, 125 00:05:09,999 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 3: twenty one zero. 126 00:05:10,759 --> 00:05:12,399 Speaker 2: So what thank you for? 127 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,678 Speaker 1: Patriots Playbrook Join John Brook as he brings you all 128 00:05:15,719 --> 00:05:19,118 Speaker 1: the latest Patriots talk and expert commentary direct from Patriots HQ. 129 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:22,158 Speaker 1: The show features interviews with New England and Opponent Beat 130 00:05:22,159 --> 00:05:24,238 Speaker 1: writers that bring you a unique media view of the 131 00:05:24,239 --> 00:05:26,439 Speaker 1: state of the team. But where the Patriots are concerned, 132 00:05:26,678 --> 00:05:28,959 Speaker 1: Let's just get one thing done and let's get it 133 00:05:29,039 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: done right and then. 134 00:05:30,438 --> 00:05:33,278 Speaker 2: We can worry about versatility. Am I lying to anybody here? 135 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: Let's just get one thing done. Let's get one thing 136 00:05:35,958 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: done right, and then we can move along. That's kind 137 00:05:39,039 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: of my biggest thing. 138 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:42,558 Speaker 1: Search Patriots Playbook anywhere you get your podcasts.