WEBVTT - Jack Tempchin 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.520 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob left Sex Podcast. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:18.320 My guest today is singer songwriter Jack Tempchin. Jack. Good 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.400 to have you on the podcast. Let's start right at 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.160 the beginning. How'd you write peaceful, easy feeling? 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.720 Well? Do you want the truth or the story that 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:29.560 I always tell? 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:30.840 Well? 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.919 Tell both? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. The truth is I 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:38.199 don't actually remember, but I remember part of it. I 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.680 had a buddy of mine made a poster advertising me 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:48.919 when I played in coffeehouses in San Diego, where where 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:53.360 I've always lived, and the poster had quotes from people 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:57.680 like Joni Mitchell said a real man and stuff like that, 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.200 which he just made up. He made up this poster. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.919 So a guy in El Centro had a coffee house 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.360 and he hired me to play. I went out to 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:15.040 El Centro, and you know, like Warren Zevon's song says, 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.480 I went home with the waitress the way I always 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.680 do well, I always tried to go home with a waitress, 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.440 and this one said, yeah, okay, I'll come back later 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:25.880 and get you and take you to my place. So 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.280 I told the people I was with I wasn't going 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.360 to need a ride or a place to stay. Well, 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.280 she never came back, and I ended up in this 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:38.080 little It was in a little strip mall. It was 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:41.840 this coffee house called the Aquarius, and I just ended 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:46.240 up sleeping on the linoleum floor all night and no girl. 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.760 But I had the guitar and so I started writing 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:53.280 on the back of this poster and I wrote a 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.040 bunch of stuff. And you know when you start writing 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:59.720 a song, which stops most people, the fact is that 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:01.600 you had a bunch of stuff that's no good and 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.400 it's really stupid. Then all of a sudden, you look 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.880 back and you go, hey, that was a good phrase, 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.920 and you kind of start from there. So the phrase peaceful, 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.640 easy feeling popped out, and I guess it was kind 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:20.480 of about my friend at the time was into zen 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.000 and this is kind of really early, and there was 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.440 these concepts like, you know, if you let go of something, 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.440 that gives your hand free to get something else, and 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:34.640 it's only when you stop looking for stuff that you 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:38.200 can find it, and so that was kind of the 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.040 ideas like, yeah, the girl didn't show up, I'm not 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.239 going to be in love with her, but I'm fine, 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:47.160 everything's going to be fine. So I got back to 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:52.080 San Diego, and I went to a street fair and 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.079 I was walking around and I saw this beautiful girl 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:59.040 with these turquoise earrings, so I put her in the song. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.320 And then later I was on in San Diego and 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.119 Washington Boulevard at a place called the Der Wiener Schnitzel. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.040 It changed now to Wiener Schnitzel. Yeah. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:11.640 I don't know why they changed it. I mean, I 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.359 can understand it. Originally it was Wiener Schnitzel, but we 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.480 were all accustomed to Der Wiener Schnitzel. Yeah. 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:22.320 And the other funny thing is, forty years later they 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.040 had a celebration for me there because I wrote the 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.920 last verse of the song sitting there waiting for the 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:34.640 Polish Dog. And I was amazed, of all the things 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.000 in San Diego that that place was still there forty 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.800 years later, the Der Wiener Snitzel, you know, which was 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.880 now Wiener Schnitzel. And by the way, they gave me 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:47.800 that day, they presented me with a solid gold Wiener. 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.960 Literally solid gold, just not painted gold. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.320 Well, there's at least gold plated. I have it out 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:56.040 in my studio. 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.040 And well, I was to say, you know, if we 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.280 hit the apocalypse and it's solid gold old. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.320 You could live off that. I could use that. 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.160 So anyway, continue, So you go back to San Diela, 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.520 go to the street fair. You're waiting for your Polish dog. 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.080 It's der wiener Stitzel. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.600 And then I saw another girl and I wrote the 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.600 last verse sitting there at that table. And they put 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:23.159 a plaque that day in the table, and I was 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.880 very happy to learn later somebody stole the plaque wow table, 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:32.080 so they must have cared. And I guess I was 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.800 ten years ago, because now it's been fifty years. But 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.120 I always say, you know, if you were a young 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.920 woman walking around forty years ago by the Dreweener Snitzl, 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.359 the song could be about you and you'll never even know. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.920 And so basically that's the story of how I wrote it. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:56.240 And then I I was up in La Well, before 0:04:56.279 --> 0:05:00.800 you get up in La Yeaka, you talk about the 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:05.840 song being written over a period of time, three different verses. 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:11.680 The question is what were you eking it out or 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.600 did all three come from inspiration or did you do 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.119 like you said earlier, were you just pick and chows 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.320 what actually worked from what you'd done previously. 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:27.560 Well, so in those days I had a Stella guitar 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.359 that I bought in a pawn shop in San Diego 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.080 for thirteen bucks and came with the string for the strap. 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.680 And I walked around all the time. I always had 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.640 that thing with me, and I'd walk around and sing. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:46.000 And so I wrote the song continuously over about three 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.440 or four days. So I was just kept singing it 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:52.200 and adding things, you know, to answer your question, until 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.440 I got the last verse, and then I had it. 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.320 You know, Okay, just a couple of things. Is that 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.520 typical of you that the song evolves? I know you're 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.040 doing your Beach series now, which is similar to that. 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.880 We'll get to that. Or is it a bolt of 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.040 inspiration or is it sitting down I have to write 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.680 a song or is it all of it? 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.719 It's all of it. I guess it's different with every 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:21.560 song now. I did try putting myself on a schedule. 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.240 At one point, I'm gonna go out every day and 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.919 write songs for two weeks, and I'm gonna it's not 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.200 the same. I did song a day and that was different. 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.480 But I just thought I'll do it on a schedule, 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.280 and I did it for a couple of weeks. I 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.560 looked at all the songs. I didn't like them, so 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:41.000 threw away that idea. But the songs, you just get 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:45.320 an idea. Sometimes I'm writing with people, but you just 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.560 get an idea and you just follow it. 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.520 Okay, well, well we'll get a little deeper as we 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:56.320 go on. But peaceful, easy Feeling is now done. Is 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.599 it just another song you wrote or do you say, no, 0:06:58.760 --> 0:06:59.680 this one's special. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:04.600 Well, I'm playing it for my buddy and I'm I'm 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.279 finger I'm flat picking it, and then all of a sudden, 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.440 I finger pick it, you know, and he goes, oh, yeah, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.160 now you got something that's really cool, you know. And 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.280 then later, of course, after Glenn Fry heard it, he 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.920 went back to flat picking it, you know. But those 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.760 were just the changes. And no, I did not know 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.840 that everyone in the world was going to like the song. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.920 In fact, I was positive was never going to be 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.600 a hit song. It didn't have the love chorus. I 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:38.720 just I liked it, but I did not. But the 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:43.000 other point is, in those days I was in folk 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.280 music and one of my buddies said, you know, Jack, 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:49.240 there's hundreds of dollars to be made in this folk music. 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:54.000 So and I thought of it. Recently, the fact that 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.680 the idea that you were ever going to have a 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.040 song on the radio or make money from a song 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.880 was completely foreign to us at that point. You know, 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.960 I just wrote the song because I was playing in 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:16.000 these coffee houses and they all closed in nineteen seventy two. So, 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.760 just to clarify, a coffee house was a place where 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:24.560 they played folk music and they had no alcohol. You know, 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:28.960 it was apple cider, and I was playing it three 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.240 or four of those. So it was just to have 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:35.000 songs to sing that I wrote them, and I don't know, 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.320 I don't know why. I was just into writing them. 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.959 And okay, but I cut you off. So you went 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:45.000 up to La the troubadour Tell me about that. Well, first, 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.480 I was going to say that, to follow the thread 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.800 of that song. At some point, I was staying at 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.959 Jackson Brown's house. He oh that way too fast. Okay, 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.119 way too fast. You're in San Diego. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:03.240 Jackson Brown from Orange County moves to LA just because 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.760 people traveled. How did you know Jackson Brown? Was it 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.880 a community at this point or was he just the 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:09.839 one guy you knew? 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:16.040 Well? I played at a place called the Candy Company Folk, 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:21.800 a folk house, and Jackson came to play there. And also, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.800 this is before quite a while before he recorded anything, 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.160 but I already had heard his songs. I knew. I 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:35.840 actually played a song for Adam, and I played these Days, 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.760 and I didn't ever play anyone else's songs. So I 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.720 heard those and thought they were great. So I met John. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:45.120 I'm interested because I how did you hear a song 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.000 for Adam? You know? 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.840 I don't. I don't know anymore. It wasn't when he 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.600 came down. I already knew the song. So I think 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.640 people just had heard these songs on the folk circuit 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.440 and had learned them and were just doing him. And 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:00.559 now that's how I heard. 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.360 Them, because these Days had covers. I don't remember a 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.880 cover of songs for aut him. But continue he comes 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.120 down to the club, you already know these songs. 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:10.520 Yeah, So that's where I met him. 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:11.199 And then. 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:17.439 And the same thing happened with the duo Long Branch 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:21.680 Penny Whistle. They came to that club and played, and 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:28.120 I asked them if they were really good? And I 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.920 like those guys. And the place they were going to 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:35.439 stay was a place where the lady liked to have 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.720 what we used to call in counter groups in that 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.000 era where you'd sit around and they'd pick your brains 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.800 and try to destabilize you so they could take over 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.560 your mind. And then the facilitator would sleep with all 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.360 the women in the in the group, you know. So 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.440 that was I said, you guys, don't want to go 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.240 do that, and they go, now, we really don't. So 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:01.280 I had a large house had rented with five bedrooms, 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.920 and there was a hippie pad, we had washed up 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.480 base in the living room, and my brother and I 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:13.160 had a candle shop in the garage, and so they 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.280 came to stay with us, and every time they came 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:20.120 to San Diego, it was Glenn Fry and JD Souther 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.880 who were in this long Bench Penny Whistle, and so 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.760 we became really good friends over time, and so that's 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:34.679 how I met Jackson, and also Glenn and j D. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.000 And then at some point Glenn and JD were living 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.440 in Silver Lake and Jackson was living right below them, 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:45.360 so I stayed up there several times. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.440 Okay, before you get to that point, Yeah, people don't 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.720 know how hard it is to make it, and generally 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.680 the people who make it least on the way up 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.760 are networking. Did you say, while these people are coming 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.679 through the club, I need to know them. How did 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:02.640 you make the connection? 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:09.520 Hm? Well, like I always say as a joke, people go, 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.840 how do you make it? And I go, well, just 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.440 find some guy. I get to know him and work 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.600 with him about five or ten years before he gets 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.839 really famous. It's not that hard, you know. But the 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:26.560 real uh, the reality is I was drawn to these 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:30.960 people because of my passion for the music, and I 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:35.720 just they had it, you know. And uh and I 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.120 was just drawn to them and anybody else who I 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:43.640 thought was great, you know, So you just naturally fall 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:44.600 in with those people. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.600 Okay, you were doing you were on that circuit. Anybody 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.240 who was great who didn't make it? 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:57.960 Uh, well that's yes, yes, of course there's always people 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.439 like that because there's so much more to making it 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.800 than just your talent. There's a guy, Ray Burrow, you know. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.440 So I played at a coffeehouse called the Heritage. The 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:14.440 doorman was Tom Waits, and he was not a player. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:21.199 He was the doorman and he collected the tickets and anyway, 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.320 this an aside. He was a photographer and liked to 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:29.840 take pictures of the homeless guys downtown. Great photographs, but 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.640 they got a piano in the club, so he would 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.600 stay after hours and practice the piano, and one by 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:41.440 one he sold his cameras to pay for piano lessons, 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.640 and then all of a sudden he was doing these 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:47.040 songs like Hope that I Don't Fall in Love with 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:51.280 You and Martha and But there was a guy, Ray Burrow, 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.679 and he used to play there all the time, and 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.160 Tom and I both would steal any song he came 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:01.880 up with. He didn't write, but he he had fantastic 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:07.000 songs he would find, so I guess just didn't have 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.160 the ambition. He's still around, He's made maybe one album. 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:15.360 It's incredibly great. But you know, Tom and I stayed 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:19.120 in the music, but he didn't. And then I've known 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:23.440 a lot of guys who were super talented. They're in 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:27.800 every town, everywhere, but they don't have they don't have 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.880 the personality. A lot of people are just as soon 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.760 as they get close to the flame of fame, they 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.720 run away, you know what I mean. They can't handle it, 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:41.240 and it takes a huge collection of talents to really 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:48.520 make it happen. Ambition, you know, dealing with people, aligning 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.240 yourself with other great people to make the music and 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:51.600 all that. 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:56.080 So yeah, okay, so let's go back to Peaceful Easy Feeling. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.600 You went up to stay with Jackson in silver Lake. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.240 Well, I stay with Glenn and j D and Silverlake. 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.960 But then later they had run into David Geffen, and 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.720 these guys were always helping me, and they helped me 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.920 all the way through, and so they were going to 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:20.240 introduce me to Geffen. So that's why later after they 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.720 moved from silver Lake, I was staying at Jackson's house 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:27.040 and Glenn came over and I was in Jackson's piano 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:31.120 room where he had the curtains closed all the time 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.920 because he didn't want anybody seeing or hearing while he practiced. 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.840 And I was in there playing Peaceful Easy Feeling, and 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:42.000 Glenn came in and he said, what's that? So he 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:46.880 recorded the song on a cassette recorder, which let's just 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.480 pretend that people know what that is, you know, And 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.880 then he said, jack I got a new band, and 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:01.320 we've been together about eight days, so so let me 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:02.440 work this song up. I go. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:02.760 Yeah. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.320 So he came back the next day with the cassette 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:10.040 recorder and played me the Eagles doing a Peaceful Easy 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:15.560 feeling on this cassette recorder, you know. And then I 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.840 about a week later, I went and I saw them 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:24.440 rehearse in this tiny little room and I saw Don 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:30.240 Henley saying, you don't miss your water to your well 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:34.240 runs dry as he's playing the drums, and I'm just going, map, 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.760 who is this guy? This is like incredible. But that's 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.160 how the Eagles got the song. 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:45.160 And Okay, how long before the record came out? And 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:46.680 how'd you find out it was going to be on 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:47.200 the record. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.720 I don't know. I think it all happened pretty quickly. 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.520 And Glenn said, we're gonna get all these record execs 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.800 in here in the room. We're going to put them 0:16:57.840 --> 0:16:59.240 right in front of us and play. And then I 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.560 guess they got a deal. And I don't know, it 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.800 wasn't It didn't seem like it was that long. And 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:10.560 then Glenn, Uh, I'm still living in San Diego. So 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:16.040 then Glenn came back from recording the record, and he 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:20.000 had a two track tape, you know, And I was 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.879 the only guy in San Diego who had a tape recorder. 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.760 I had a Revox and so that was the standard 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.639 back then. Revox was the that was the King of 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:34.600 the Hill and just two tracks one mic boom and uh. 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.639 So he came over my house and a bunch of 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:43.359 the people from uh that were my roommates at the 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.800 hippie Pad, you know, we all sat around and he 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.200 played the two track tape of the first Eagles record. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.639 So the first I'm sitting there and the first song 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.680 is take It easy Going. 0:17:57.920 --> 0:17:58.240 Man. 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:03.159 Wow, that is the best thing I've ever heard. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:04.760 It's incredible. 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:10.120 Then the next song is Witchy Woman and I wing oh, man, 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.920 that is the best thing I ever heard. And then 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.080 the third song is Peaceful, easy Feeling, and I'm going 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.399 this is the best album I've ever heard already, you know. 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:25.159 So so there it was boom. You know. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.879 Okay, let's dig a little deeper. Did anybody try to 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.879 get your publishing or did you remain the owner of 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:33.320 the song. 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:40.639 Well, so what happened was they introduced me to David 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.280 Geffen and he was going to take care of me. 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.000 You know, so those were here quotes. 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.520 This is an audio thing. Yeah, yeah, he's taking care 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:56.760 of me. So he put all of us into Warner 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:02.320 Brothers Publishing, and so all my songs that time went 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:07.560 into Warner Brothers and they're still there now. When Azof 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.119 started working with the Eagles, he got all their publishing 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.840 back from Warner Brothers, so they own it. But he 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:21.040 didn't get my publishing or JD's or Jackson's publishing back 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:28.600 for those songs. So yeah, so they still owe those songs. 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.720 And so in. 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.399 A typical publishing deal, there's one hundred cents on the dollar, 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.160 they get fifty cents. You get fifty cents. 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.160 Yeah, and then they get fifteen percent of my fifty 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:46.360 cents for administering. And they never placed anything or did anything, 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:51.640 you know. And then other people have gotten their copyrights 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:55.640 back right since I wrote it prior to nineteen seventy two. 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.280 For some ridiculous reason I don't understand. I have to 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.919 wait five ten more years before I can get my 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.399 song back, and they'll probably not want to give it back, 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:07.000 you know. 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.240 So usually what they do is you come up with 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.359 a number for them to keep it. But we aren't 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:19.640 there yet. So is the revenue for peaceful easy feeling? 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.040 Even though you get thirty five percent out of one 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:27.320 hundred percent, is that enough to pay your bills? 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.960 Yeah? It has kept me going all these years. And 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.719 in the first few years I made a lot of money, 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:38.240 but Reagan was the president and the taxes were about, 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:42.720 I think over eighty percent, you know. And I went 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:44.560 to the accountants that I had now, I said, well, 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:46.399 rich people, when they get a lot of money, they 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.199 don't have to pay all these taxes, do they? And 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.080 they go, yeah, you do. There's no way to get 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:56.280 out of it. And other people did these oil futures 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:01.240 and cattle ranches, you know, designed to who avoid the 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.920 taxes that I didn't do that. My philosophy has always been, 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:06.720 now you just pay all the tax and move on. 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.080 But those people years later, they caught up with them 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:15.879 and took back all that money. So but yes, and 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:18.880 I don't think the same thing. Maybe the same thing 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:22.119 could happen today. I don't know what people how people 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:27.880 can do today. 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:34.520 Let's go back a little bit. Whatever happens, the album 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:41.440 comes out, this is the spring A seventy two or three? Whatever? 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:43.879 Yeah, and how long. 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.760 Until you see a check let spring A seventy two. 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:52.280 I don't know, might have been Oh well, let's see. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:59.400 So in seventy two, David Geffen was paying me two 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:03.920 hundred and fifty bucks a month as a as a songwriter, somehow, 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.600 and so I, my girlfriend and I were traveling in 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.600 our Volkswagen bus and we go to general delivery at 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:14.719 each town and pick up my check. So that went on. 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:18.040 We traveled for about a year, and so I think 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.720 it was about a year before I saw the first 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:22.480 first check. 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:27.919 And was the money coming in the inspiration for the 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:29.280 trip or the trip would have happened? 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:31.840 No, No, Well, the money, the two hundred and fifty 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:34.760 a month was a big deal because it was like, hey, 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:36.919 and the other thing. I was just singing on the 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:39.280 street where we stopped somewhere to get some money for 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:43.200 food stuff. So that two hundred and fifty was important. 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:47.120 But then when we got back, I remember, I think 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:50.760 the first check I ever got was something like eight 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:54.520 thousand dollars and it was just like staggering, you know. 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.480 I just thought, this has to be a mistake, you know, 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:01.879 So that so let's go wild till I got it. 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.479 And when you got to check for eight thousand dollars, 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:05.840 you treat yourself to anything. 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.320 I don't know. I think I think I just put 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.399 in the bank and I had borrowed money from my 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:15.960 folks to buy a piano, so I probably paid them 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.000 back at seven and forty bucks, you know. 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:25.040 Okay, on the second album, I think it's second album 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:27.920 or a third album. All fifty five is on there. 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:33.800 Did Glenn Fry meet Tom Waits as a result of 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:35.880 him being the doorman in the club. 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.080 No, no, don't. I don't think so. I don't think 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:42.119 he ever met Tom. He certainly didn't meet him there 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:48.439 because Glenn Fry wasn't around the Heritage Club. So but 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.720 I guess they just liked the song. They'd heard that 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:53.720 song and loved it. 0:23:54.720 --> 0:24:00.199 Okay. So then everyone talks about this personality that he, 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:03.520 Glenn Fry had, that he was the most the coolest guy, 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.679 the popular guy, the guy who made things happen. What 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:08.040 was your experience of. 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:16.400 Him all that and more, you know, especially looking back, 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.040 you know, and most of the time that I spent 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:24.280 with him, we were we were the best of friends, 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:27.760 you know, for about forty seven years, so from from 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:32.720 way before he was famous, and and he was all 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:37.960