Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast doesn't believe in Bigfoot. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Be Around the NFL Podcast, presented by the United
Speaker 1: States Marine Corps. My name is Dan Hanss. I'm joined
Speaker 1: in a room filled with heroes, Mark Seessler, Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: and Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? I mean, you
Speaker 1: just count up the things to be disappointed about and
Speaker 1: upset about right now. Almost lost my hearing. There was
Speaker 1: a ear can issue just now. We just talked about
Speaker 1: they totally marked botch the terminator, terminator sequel rollout. We're
Speaker 1: talking about that before we went there. Uh, he can't go.
Speaker 1: The way they've handled everything since T two is a disaster.
Speaker 1: The Jets and Browns are combined three and thirteen, which
Speaker 1: feels like both of their final records. At this point,
Speaker 1: Greg will not stop talking about how they're not giving
Speaker 1: him a proper starch in the dinner meal, which which
Speaker 1: Greg the other side of Greg, the other side of Greg,
Speaker 1: I know. And then he would then say, well, you
Speaker 1: can't really complain about free I should? I should I
Speaker 1: always kept something in the freezer, you know, because ultimately
Speaker 1: they're giving us free food. So it's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna it is just crazy swings and carrots.
Speaker 1: That's not a meal. You gotta have something to balance whatever.
Speaker 1: Well I'm going on. I'm with you. But you claim
Speaker 1: that it's tough to complain. It didn't seem that tough
Speaker 1: for you to complain about this. I don't believe in Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: but I could spend hours on cryptozoology, all right. See,
Speaker 1: West is fine. This is the idea. You know, West
Speaker 1: never he divorced himself from the Bengals, so he has
Speaker 1: no trauma to deal with on a weekly basis. And
Speaker 1: he's not a foodie at the level Greg is. Although
Speaker 1: you are a great cook a chef. There is a
Speaker 1: difference though. I'm still refining my palette where I believe
Speaker 1: Greggs has been refined for fifteen years. Okay, anyway, but
Speaker 1: we get to talk about football for a living and
Speaker 1: we get paid for it, so everything's fine on balance,
Speaker 1: and and we have a whole slate of games to
Speaker 1: talk about. This is, of course, the flagship program, which
Speaker 1: you could catch in podcast form and also video form
Speaker 1: both on NFL dot com and YouTube. And that's cool, right, Ricky,
Speaker 1: and Ricky's our producer like Tam producer. That's the coolest
Speaker 1: part about it. And you know every more of us
Speaker 1: are happy about that. I'm not sure the actual producers
Speaker 1: that happen. I'm very you're putting a really false narrative
Speaker 1: out into the world. Okay, that's possible to I'm exploring
Speaker 1: the issue. I'm not sure what I get to do
Speaker 1: every day. You know what they say, you want to
Speaker 1: wake up with a smile on your your face, going
Speaker 1: and work, And that's exactly how I feel. Alright. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna go through all of the games that were
Speaker 1: played on Sunday, the first game that was played of
Speaker 1: course in London, the final game that was played in Baltimore,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna break it down with some analysis and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, just a touch of earth everybody and my mentions, Oh, Dan,
Speaker 1: how are you gonna do the show today? You know
Speaker 1: the Jets are so you know what you process these
Speaker 1: things over time? Also, what has been the b line
Speaker 1: of our entire time doing the show? Half our teams
Speaker 1: that we root for sucking like gigantic trash bags floating
Speaker 1: in from outer skills. It's done like a thousand shows
Speaker 1: that Jets have sucked virtually the entire time. I've gotten
Speaker 1: quite good at you know, compartmentalizing that usually. Let us
Speaker 1: go get going. We're gonna start with a really nice game,
Speaker 1: an inter conference game, in truck conference game. Don't even
Speaker 1: we don't we two our hund stadium. He's right in
Speaker 1: the middle of the figure. Well. The Vikings called time out,
Speaker 1: the freezing No, they will not place finished down. Bucker's
Speaker 1: kick is up and the kick is good. They got it,
Speaker 1: Pudka got it, and the Chicks have won the game
Speaker 1: in regulation. Carols and Pucker game. What are Cansas City
Speaker 1: and sex Entree? Who never felt so good? Mitch Holt
Speaker 1: is kse c f X for like butt kicker nailed it.
Speaker 1: Harrison Butker split the uprights from forty yards out at
Speaker 1: the gun, lifting the Chiefs to a big win over
Speaker 1: the Vikings. Bucker was swallowed up by teammates near midfield
Speaker 1: after the game when he kicked, most notably Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: in that mix, the injured quarterback um who was expected
Speaker 1: to return to action next week against the Titans and Gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Such an important win for the Chiefs because listen, even
Speaker 1: though the Raiders have been a nice surprise, they are
Speaker 1: you know, a five hundred or they're about team. They
Speaker 1: are seven to nine ten if they get super frisky
Speaker 1: team hanging around. But you know what, the Chiefs aren't
Speaker 1: looking just to win the a f C West. They
Speaker 1: want to get the by you. It is a super
Speaker 1: Bowl or bust season for the Chiefs, which means go
Speaker 1: get eleven wins, go get twelve wins. And with Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahans missing the these games, they had to figure out
Speaker 1: a way to win at least one of them. They
Speaker 1: got a game today, so they're six and three and
Speaker 1: like I said, Mahomes is supposed to come back next
Speaker 1: week against an eminently beatable Titans team. They are in
Speaker 1: good position to make a run in the back half
Speaker 1: of the season. And as for this game Minnesota, we
Speaker 1: talked about on Thursday, would they be able to show
Speaker 1: up uh in a game with Kirk Cousins historically struggling
Speaker 1: against over five hundred teams and would they be ready
Speaker 1: for a comedown? Not quite. The Vikings were winning this game.
Speaker 1: They went they went ahead on a touchdown in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, and the Chiefs showed that they're not just
Speaker 1: all Patrick Mahomes and Matt Moore. West has done a
Speaker 1: very nice job in these past two weeks keeping this
Speaker 1: offensive float. Yeah. I used to think, uh, you get
Speaker 1: a good backup quarterback in case your quarterback goes out
Speaker 1: for the year, But now it's you know, to really
Speaker 1: tie you over when you know, for a game or two,
Speaker 1: just to keep you, you know, to worry about home
Speaker 1: field advantage in the playoffs, to keep you in the
Speaker 1: playoff race. In a veteran like Matt Moore is one
Speaker 1: of the better backup quarterbacks in the league. Even after
Speaker 1: a year out of the league. He was smart. He
Speaker 1: had offers, you know, according to uh NBC last year
Speaker 1: to return to the game, and he didn't want to
Speaker 1: get his age and he's had you know, ups and downs.
Speaker 1: He only wanted to do it if he had a
Speaker 1: chance to succeed. You have Andy Reid call you go
Speaker 1: do it. He's I've said it a million times in
Speaker 1: this podcast. I think he's the most influential, important offensive
Speaker 1: coach of this century, of the last two decades. And
Speaker 1: this is an example why you don't have Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: but you do have Tyreek Hill, which makes a huge difference.
Speaker 1: You get him the ball. But some of these throws
Speaker 1: More was making were under pressure. They weren't easy, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy to have another map more a moment,
Speaker 1: I kind of love watching Matt Moore float up and
Speaker 1: down the sideline after some of those scoring drives by
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. He just looks the part, and it's amazing
Speaker 1: that he was out of football. I think from from
Speaker 1: the very beginning when he's had a step in, he
Speaker 1: hasn't been afraid to play with aggression. He's thrown the
Speaker 1: ball downfield and it hasn't he He was punished today,
Speaker 1: had a bad fumble at one point, but he eight
Speaker 1: enough plays and you're right, he could have gone to
Speaker 1: back to Miami or to a team were wanted to
Speaker 1: turn him into a starter. He's on a team surrounding
Speaker 1: him with a lot of talent. When he'ven rallied the
Speaker 1: I think it was the O nine Panthers. They were
Speaker 1: kind of a dead team that he went four or
Speaker 1: five and one with. I always thought he was like
Speaker 1: a poor man's Romo because he'll go for it like
Speaker 1: he'll be aggressive, and he has a knack for making
Speaker 1: those big plays. Damian Williams was another big player in
Speaker 1: this game. He had a ninety one yard touchdown run
Speaker 1: in the third quarter. Uh. That really was such a
Speaker 1: huge play in this game. And when les Shawn McCoy
Speaker 1: came aboard in Kansas City, it felt like he was
Speaker 1: going to become the guy back there, but Williams has
Speaker 1: made sure he didn't. He doesn't get lost in the shuffle.
Speaker 1: So he's an important player there. Uh. And as you said,
Speaker 1: Tyreek hill um a hundred and forty yards. That's the
Speaker 1: most yards receiving since since Week eleven of last season.
Speaker 1: And you just you just get the feeling that this
Speaker 1: team has a really nice run in them in the
Speaker 1: second half here where they're gonna be right there in
Speaker 1: the mix for a buy. And if some buy, some
Speaker 1: possibility the Patriots stumble. Maybe don't completely rule them out
Speaker 1: of that number one seed just yet. I would say,
Speaker 1: all so, if you're one of the teams, a contending
Speaker 1: team with one of the few kickers that you can
Speaker 1: rely on from week to week, and he is one
Speaker 1: of those guys, you're set apart. Because I'll even look
Speaker 1: at New England and say they have kicker issues right
Speaker 1: now that are causing them to re strategize their approach
Speaker 1: to offense. And we've seen that for a week after
Speaker 1: week Kansas City in Butcker's got one of the dudes
Speaker 1: you can just he's gonna He's gonna get it done
Speaker 1: week after week. This is the team the Chiefs, I
Speaker 1: thought about it, have wanted to have on the field
Speaker 1: other than Mahomes for a while. You have Watkins and
Speaker 1: Hill healthy. At the same time, he Hill those some
Speaker 1: of these catches he made most humans, most I mean
Speaker 1: great wide receivers could not make. And then more importantly,
Speaker 1: I think Chris Jones returns today and has a monster game,
Speaker 1: and they have their best defensive game of the year.
Speaker 1: Three eight yards to uh Vikings offense four point seven
Speaker 1: yards per play. That was playing quite well. Oh that
Speaker 1: that's as good as the Chiefs have been this year.
Speaker 1: Digs and Feeling combined for one catch in four yards,
Speaker 1: and I saw that Feeling aggravated his hamstring and out
Speaker 1: for most of the game. He did and Cousins Uh
Speaker 1: statistically didn't look like he had a bad day, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he was nearly the guy he's been
Speaker 1: in recent weeks. Good staff from ESPN. He was over
Speaker 1: nine when passing under Durest, the worst of his career
Speaker 1: and the second most attempts without a completion in those
Speaker 1: situations this season, joining Cam Newton with a banged up
Speaker 1: shoulder slash foot, you never want to be in that
Speaker 1: group in twenty nineteen. So we'll get into the Vikings
Speaker 1: a little bit more um in the days ahead. But
Speaker 1: I thought this is just this was about the Chiefs
Speaker 1: and a really nice win as they spin forward into
Speaker 1: the second half, let's move on. Militarian is twenty four
Speaker 1: here out of South Dakota State. Here comes the snap,
Speaker 1: it's down the kick five minit terry was on its way.
Speaker 1: It's bess it's missing the Steelers dot are Huget. I
Speaker 1: had anetarry over his career. That's what I hate. Full
Speaker 1: time forty three wide left and I see a victory
Speaker 1: formation from the Pittsburgh Steelers. Bill hill Grove, I call
Speaker 1: him Bill Grove, Bill Grove w d V with the call.
Speaker 1: You know, the open end of Heinz Field has claimed
Speaker 1: the souls of many a kicker. On Sunday, I got
Speaker 1: out of Vintieri his forty three yard attempt with one
Speaker 1: four team to play, drifted left and the Steelers escaped
Speaker 1: to twenty four win over the Colts. That's three straight
Speaker 1: wins for the Mason and Rudolph led Steelers, who have
Speaker 1: worked their way back to five hundred after uh and
Speaker 1: oh and three start West. Here's what Mike Tomlin had
Speaker 1: to say. It's good to be sitting at four and four.
Speaker 1: I never thought i'd hear myself say that. Come on,
Speaker 1: let's get the black and yellow some love, Chris. We'll
Speaker 1: give this defense a lot of love. They played really
Speaker 1: well and they are a takeaway happy defense. Maka Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: a pick six early in the game to tie it
Speaker 1: when it looks like the could run away. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: no longer worried about that trade, even if Mason Rudolph
Speaker 1: doesn't get better and they fall apart the rest of
Speaker 1: the way, because they're not gonna draft in the top
Speaker 1: five and Minca Fitzpatrick has been a Pro Bowl player
Speaker 1: for them. He's been fantastic. So they did find in
Speaker 1: that trade. They did really well. Uh t J. Watt
Speaker 1: had another good game. Bud Dupree, who has had a
Speaker 1: really good contract year, had two sacks and a huge
Speaker 1: third down stuff on Marlon Mack that forced that forty
Speaker 1: three yard field goal for Vinitary. The Steelers defense played great.
Speaker 1: There is no quarterback. Uh that that bothers me to
Speaker 1: watch them. Mason Rudolph. I would rather watch Mitch Drobisky
Speaker 1: than Mason. Will take that back. I will not take
Speaker 1: that back, Mason Rudol. I mean when we watch quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: they're all sort of an avatar for kind of like
Speaker 1: how we want to We would like to see a
Speaker 1: quarterback play, and Mason Rudolph's brand of training wheels checked
Speaker 1: downs and screen passes versus every single time, and he's
Speaker 1: allowed to drop back, panics and throws up a jump ball.
Speaker 1: I just can't with this guy in Pittsburgh. No, there's
Speaker 1: no way this guy's I know it's early, but he
Speaker 1: would have to do a complete one eight. I still
Speaker 1: think the better quarterback is sitting on the bench, and
Speaker 1: I know his physical limitations, but he's more excisive with
Speaker 1: the ball, he sees the field better, he doesn't panic
Speaker 1: in the pocket, and there's a sense of rhythm when
Speaker 1: he's quarterbacking, whereas with Mason Rudolph, there's no rhythm. So
Speaker 1: when we opened up calling the Steelers the Mason Rudolph
Speaker 1: led Steelers, you'd have an issue with that. It was
Speaker 1: sort of like when we had the brockofs Wire led
Speaker 1: Texan I remember you had issues with that too. They Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did lead the Texans to a really nice season.
Speaker 1: Yeah about five yards per attempt for Rudolph. And because
Speaker 1: of this, when you know the Steelers fans, they they
Speaker 1: come honking. I mean they they weren't happy apparently about
Speaker 1: how how I talked about or how we talked about it.
Speaker 1: And you know, I will admit, if you can be
Speaker 1: a Cults team with Brian Hoyer at quarterback and without
Speaker 1: t Y hill in on a miss field goal at
Speaker 1: the buzzer, I mean, who can argue that this? Who
Speaker 1: could argue? Look, we should talk. Brian Hoyer was playing
Speaker 1: quarterback the whole game and they didn't have Hilton Pabe.
Speaker 1: We present his his blocker kind of bangs into his knee,
Speaker 1: which buckles, Uh. He misses the rest of the game.
Speaker 1: He was grabbing at the knee like a guy who
Speaker 1: blew out his knee initially. So luckily it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to be that bad. I believe Frank Reich said after
Speaker 1: the game that it was like an m c l
Speaker 1: ish sprain, So it could be a lot worse, could
Speaker 1: be better. And we'll see what his availability is going forward.
Speaker 1: Hoyer is a perfectly fine backup, especially considering well they
Speaker 1: should have They should have kept chat Swagg Kelly, I
Speaker 1: could have won Sangwiches in my starting this week, but
Speaker 1: instead they have Hoyer. How did he look in the
Speaker 1: In the event we get to see more Brian Hoyer
Speaker 1: going forward? I think on the Brian Hoyer spectrum, this
Speaker 1: was about an eight and a half out of ten.
Speaker 1: He did as well as you can expect Brian Hoyer
Speaker 1: do three touchdowns, outplayed the other team's quarterback back quite
Speaker 1: a bit. All right, we get it his best, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he is, and and I'm I'm sort of,
Speaker 1: you know, having fun with the Steelers. They're They're fine.
Speaker 1: And the least surprising thing that happened in all of
Speaker 1: these games today was that this game came down to
Speaker 1: the final kick. And that would be in the case
Speaker 1: of even if precenton Hilton here out there, these teams
Speaker 1: are just destined to play a one score game. The
Speaker 1: Colts have done it eight straight weeks. This is who
Speaker 1: the Colts are. Well, even if he made the kick,
Speaker 1: you know, you still would hit a chance for Mason
Speaker 1: Rudolph to lead the Steelers down the field. Paris Campbell
Speaker 1: showed up. Paris Campbell showed up. He was in the building.
Speaker 1: He things did not go well for Paris Campbell. They
Speaker 1: had a lot of package plays for him. Uh. He
Speaker 1: fumbled one kickoff to open the second quarter, Luckily Zach
Speaker 1: Pascal fell on the ball. And then later that drive
Speaker 1: he had a screen pass in the red zone where
Speaker 1: he would have scored had he not tripped himself and
Speaker 1: falling and fumbled out of bounce there there in the mix. Though,
Speaker 1: this AFC kind of spot wild card. Whatever it is,
Speaker 1: it's it's wide open. So you're gonna make me say
Speaker 1: it that the Colts kicker is a problem and he's
Speaker 1: all name, no game at this point. I mean, let's
Speaker 1: but he has become a liability, a guy that I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a little bit of yips that
Speaker 1: could catch you at any year apparently. But the way
Speaker 1: he missed, he missed by about twenty five yards. I
Speaker 1: think he missed. He missed, hit it on the wrong
Speaker 1: end of his foot. It looked like he kicked it
Speaker 1: off the laces. And there's a lot of things you
Speaker 1: could say that Adam Vintary kind of got boned on
Speaker 1: that play. But I also have to say, do you
Speaker 1: trust him at this point? And if you, the Cults
Speaker 1: that would be strong you. Every game you play is
Speaker 1: a three point game. It seems you neither kicker you
Speaker 1: can trust. There was a go get Kai there was.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I mean the Cults would probably rather
Speaker 1: not have Kai over, just that's an option. There was
Speaker 1: a play right before halftime that really came back to
Speaker 1: haunt the Colts. They were up sixteen to ten. There
Speaker 1: wasn't enough time really for a field goal. Mason Ridolph
Speaker 1: advanced McDonald at midfield, Darius Leonard helmet. That helmet hit
Speaker 1: gives them fifteen yards on an untimed down in Boswell
Speaker 1: nailed a fifty one yard field goal. Those three points
Speaker 1: ended up being valuable. I like that. There was one
Speaker 1: little Steelers nugget that came out early Sunday, the fact
Speaker 1: that they were in the race to trade for Levy
Speaker 1: on Bell. I thought, had that ever happened, that would
Speaker 1: be one of the weirdest player exit and then returned
Speaker 1: to teams I can imagine or or remember in my
Speaker 1: entire life. Well, that would seem to tell us that
Speaker 1: James Conner might be out multiple weeks. I think that's
Speaker 1: what they thought, But then the prognosis was a little
Speaker 1: bit better. Also, I imagine if they just would have
Speaker 1: been willing to part with a third round pick, they
Speaker 1: probably could have gotten Levyan. I think Bell resigned Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: you got to bring the whole what show is that
Speaker 1: Bell was never, you know, a problem as a teammate,
Speaker 1: and they were always trying to give them that contract
Speaker 1: that the Jets essentially gave him. It took just took
Speaker 1: a year off for him to take the contract. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, let's head to the u NFL cemetery. It's
Speaker 1: a dirt knap game under sunners wits Howard behind him
Speaker 1: on first time, it is a hand off Howard up
Speaker 1: the middle five George Howard sil king yard wrong. That's
Speaker 1: how you clear an alley. That is an alley right
Speaker 1: down the middle of that defense created by this offensive line.
Speaker 1: He runs in funty touchdown. Meryl Reese and Mike Quick
Speaker 1: w I p oh yeah, turn this up. Turn this up,
Speaker 1: my ears, so that Pitt's day. It's a network con
Speaker 1: trauma from one Carson wentz through for two nine yards
Speaker 1: and a score. Jordan Howard eighty two yards and a
Speaker 1: score Eagles win over the Bears. I mean, what can
Speaker 1: be said about Mitch Drobinsky. The Mitch Drobinsky lad Bears
Speaker 1: offense nine yards in the first half. They get two
Speaker 1: touchdowns in the second half to make it a game.
Speaker 1: But Greg, you know, we locked up the Eagles, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't so much due to our belief in Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson's topsy turvy team, but more because the Bears. You know,
Speaker 1: they actually stank. We did it. They're bad and we
Speaker 1: were smart to do that. They are totally lost behind
Speaker 1: the glass filling in on the video side, big Bears fans. Sorry, buddy,
Speaker 1: he is not a rose colored glasses. He's not because
Speaker 1: he watched it. I mean, in the first five drives
Speaker 1: they had negative ten yards, and so they're running games broken.
Speaker 1: Trabinsky is broken. Where the Eagles just dared Trabinsky to
Speaker 1: beat him. They're playing press man coverage, they're having one
Speaker 1: safety back, and they're sometimes throwing those zero blitzes at them,
Speaker 1: and they're saying, can you beat us? Can you beat us?
Speaker 1: With a throw? And his eyes are going down right away,
Speaker 1: right when he sees pressure, they go down and he
Speaker 1: holds it, and then he does the Trabinsky thing in
Speaker 1: the second half where he makes the few little believers
Speaker 1: left think he's got something, makes some nice throws, they
Speaker 1: get a couple of touchdowns, but in the end, the
Speaker 1: defense is a little part of the problem here too.
Speaker 1: They give up an eight minute, fourteen second sixteen play
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter when it matters, and credit Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson for some good play calls, Carson Wentz and especially
Speaker 1: Zach Ertz for coming through throughout. But this Bears defense
Speaker 1: isn't as good as it used to be. They lost
Speaker 1: the Team Hicks a few weeks ago, they lost Eddie
Speaker 1: Goldman today, and they've been run over by a few teams.
Speaker 1: The Raiders did it, and the Eagles did it in
Speaker 1: the first quarter today. And that's why I don't like
Speaker 1: hearing Well, it's Trabinsky. They're tired. It's like no that
Speaker 1: this is three games out of four where the Bears
Speaker 1: have been run over by an opposing rushing team in
Speaker 1: the first half of game. Well. I would throw this
Speaker 1: out too, though, because it's symbiotic, because you're if you're
Speaker 1: if you have Mitch Rabinsky is your quarterback, and your
Speaker 1: first five or six drives go for about fifteen total
Speaker 1: plays and for eight total minutes. Well, the the Eagles
Speaker 1: turn around. Therefore, you mentioned their last drive. Their first
Speaker 1: two drives were twenty four total plays that ate up
Speaker 1: fourteen minutes, and then the third was a touchdown drive.
Speaker 1: And your defense is going to get tired because they
Speaker 1: are even though they are the vaunted Bears defensive a
Speaker 1: year ago, they are human beings and to be out there,
Speaker 1: you're getting gassed, and you're out there for twenty plus
Speaker 1: minutes of the first half against a team and the
Speaker 1: Eagles that is getting a little bit better on the ground.
Speaker 1: This is who the Eagles are. They held the ball
Speaker 1: for forty minutes. They are a ball control team, good
Speaker 1: and good and bad. They do not make explosive plays.
Speaker 1: Deshan Jackson returned and said he didn't feel right after
Speaker 1: an early catch and they decided to put him on
Speaker 1: the sideline for the rest of the game. And the
Speaker 1: Eagles would have won easier if Alston Jeffrey hadn't dropped
Speaker 1: three different third down catches that killed drives. But this
Speaker 1: is kind of who they are. They have to work
Speaker 1: a little harder. They're a running team and because of
Speaker 1: that sometimes the game comes down to the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: even when you totally dominate the opponent like today, and
Speaker 1: even in the second half, it wasn't like the Bears offense,
Speaker 1: you know, blew up. They had a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: five yards average seven yards of play um, So it does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the offense is the major glaring issue here. But you
Speaker 1: know the on the game icing field goal by the
Speaker 1: Eagles on third down, the Eagles were able to go
Speaker 1: four or five, the Bears couldn't get the stop. Maybe
Speaker 1: the Bears team of last year gets that stop and
Speaker 1: somehow they go down the field and steal the game
Speaker 1: they needed. But instead they've lost four in a row.
Speaker 1: And we talked about it going into this game. Why
Speaker 1: it was so important, why we're in the cemetery. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys agree with me. Why why
Speaker 1: we should uh say it's time for a dirt nap
Speaker 1: for for the Bears because they are fading. They were
Speaker 1: twelfth place in the conference entering this game, and they're
Speaker 1: not moving up after this week. So they something that
Speaker 1: magical has to happen to, Like they have no one
Speaker 1: to turn to at quarterback, and they have a defense
Speaker 1: that can't carry a quarterback list offense, and me talking
Speaker 1: about the defense, it's just pointing out they're not a
Speaker 1: historic defense. They're just one of those good top seven
Speaker 1: or eight defenses, and that's not enough. I think we
Speaker 1: could see Chase daniel I think it's at that level
Speaker 1: that we could see Chase Daniels because I think that
Speaker 1: gives them a better What if it's only for a
Speaker 1: game or two to let m Robinsky like calm down
Speaker 1: and and you know, come out from under the microscope
Speaker 1: for a little bit, right, I mean, Chicago, you know,
Speaker 1: and I understandably that fan base was thinking NFC Title game.
Speaker 1: If things go right and we have a chance of
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, you have a very potentially uh shaky
Speaker 1: active offseason coming up, depending on how they self scout
Speaker 1: their offense specifically. But this is that time of year
Speaker 1: where if you're Matt Nag's family, like dad is starting
Speaker 1: to walk around the house in a bad mood and
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to monitor that well. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's in September, in October, there's still hope. But I
Speaker 1: think this was a decisive turn into darkness and dance
Speaker 1: calling to death. So I mean, but the experiences. Still
Speaker 1: coach looks more miserable, I would say on the sideline
Speaker 1: right now than he just looks sad, and I did
Speaker 1: today produced a few cases up there, but I would
Speaker 1: stay with the Eagles. They've they're getting to their bye
Speaker 1: week at five and four. It's been rocky. But one
Speaker 1: thing I thought watching this game was that they're closer
Speaker 1: to the team they expected to be now because they
Speaker 1: had their top three cornerbacks all playing Avante Vatas, Jalen Mills,
Speaker 1: and Ronald Darby. None of those guys were there three
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Timmy Jernegan is back. They trade for Genard Avery,
Speaker 1: who barely played for them, but he got a sack
Speaker 1: in a few snaps. It's a little different team. You
Speaker 1: maybe get Jason Peters back. They really stimy the Bears
Speaker 1: pass rush, including Clio Max. So they're doing a good job.
Speaker 1: Good story. All right, guys, you know what time it
Speaker 1: is our favorite parts of the Sunday Experience. It is
Speaker 1: time now for Road to Victory presented by the United
Speaker 1: States Marine Corps. Three receivers to the right side for
Speaker 1: net in the backfield Minshew shotgun, one tight end lined
Speaker 1: up left. That's to Voulve Minshew. I'm third and eight
Speaker 1: from the Houston at forty nine, gets the snap, has time,
Speaker 1: fires daft field that's ticked off, fire tie chill all
Speaker 1: the time. With the pick at the thirty two yard line,
Speaker 1: He's brought down there by Cole and the Texans taken
Speaker 1: away Mark Vandermere. Wow, that was an aggressive root and
Speaker 1: andre ware of k I l t with the call
Speaker 1: no jj wa no problem for the Texans defense, which
Speaker 1: forced Gardner means you into four turnovers in the final
Speaker 1: four possessions of the game to three. Win at Wembley
Speaker 1: Stadium for Houston, closes out the two two thousand nineteen
Speaker 1: London series for the NFL. Well done, UK. The Houston
Speaker 1: defense added three sacks and allowed most of Jacksonville's yardagin
Speaker 1: garbage time. So the Texans hit their bye week. They're
Speaker 1: back in sole possession of first place in the a
Speaker 1: f C South And this game to me really illuminated
Speaker 1: um two things. They're not all J. J. Watt on defense,
Speaker 1: they can turn it up if they have to. And
Speaker 1: also how the advantage of quarterbacks Shaun Watson is so
Speaker 1: much better than the other quarterbacks in the division. That's
Speaker 1: why I think they're gonna end up winning this UH
Speaker 1: Division at a walk. I think there's a really noticeable
Speaker 1: contrast in third downs in this game, and didn't they
Speaker 1: didn't look like too totally uneven teams, But the Texans
Speaker 1: are doing these run pass options on third downs, and
Speaker 1: when the initial play when he chooses pass isn't there,
Speaker 1: Watson just finds a way to make him play and
Speaker 1: there's no defense against that. Whereas Minshew was a little
Speaker 1: more tentative in this game, and more importantly, was always
Speaker 1: in a third and long. They kept running, and they
Speaker 1: kept failing on early downs, and I saw a step
Speaker 1: there was one third and four, and then every other
Speaker 1: third and long was third and six or more, a
Speaker 1: lot of them third and ten or more. And he
Speaker 1: wasn't willing to pull the trigger quite as much today
Speaker 1: and wasn't comfortable with what he was seeing. And I
Speaker 1: think you give a veteran defensive coordinator in Romeo Carnell
Speaker 1: some credit for that, because he seemed to have Minshew
Speaker 1: spooked right. The Texans without J. J. Watt, arguably this
Speaker 1: was their finest defensive outing of the year, and I
Speaker 1: think they've pushed Gardner Minshew into a scenario or late
Speaker 1: where he was he was forced to try to make
Speaker 1: plays when they were in a hot water. It happens,
Speaker 1: looks like a rookie. But but you know what I
Speaker 1: don't want to delve into is and I think that
Speaker 1: we are getting there where when Bob Bill O'Brien says
Speaker 1: after the game, he's going to decide by next you know,
Speaker 1: during the bye week, who is going to start a quarterback?
Speaker 1: Doug Maron, Sorry Doug Maron that it's it's it's probably
Speaker 1: gonna be fulls at this point. Well, let's listen to
Speaker 1: what Maron had to say after the game went asked
Speaker 1: about it because Nick Foles, of course, who exited Week
Speaker 1: one with a clavical injury, should be ready after the
Speaker 1: bye and Um and Maron left the door open. Well, Jean,
Speaker 1: you know I haven't. I haven't spoken to either quarterback yet.
Speaker 1: Um and I hate, you know, talking to the media
Speaker 1: with my plans, but you know my plans were again
Speaker 1: the disappointment of the team, you know, I'm not performing well,
Speaker 1: will be on my mind now for the next four
Speaker 1: d eight hours. I think after those hours over, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna step away a little bit and take a break.
Speaker 1: Because I don't have to make a decision or have time. Um,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna talk to the quarterbacks about and
Speaker 1: then I'll tell them, probably right before we come back
Speaker 1: on Sunday, we'll be able to discuss where we're gonna go.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much my plan. That sounds like I just
Speaker 1: one quick thing and then you guys can you can
Speaker 1: go where you want with it. But like I think
Speaker 1: with fulls, like it's an organizational thing. You have to
Speaker 1: see folds and Greg and I were talking about this
Speaker 1: morning because of what you've invested already. But the idea
Speaker 1: that Gardner Minshew has played himself out of the job
Speaker 1: because of today, For instance, he's outplayed a flock of
Speaker 1: first round for second year quarterbacks that aren't doing anything
Speaker 1: close to what he's done at this time. He's he's
Speaker 1: been fantastic. He's been of the year material that I
Speaker 1: think it's not viewed fairly because he's a bit of
Speaker 1: a media sensation. At the same time, I could understand
Speaker 1: the decision either way with this one. I don't think
Speaker 1: this one needs any hot takes. Like if they go
Speaker 1: with Foals, that's fine. If they go with I agree,
Speaker 1: and maybe we'll get into it during the week. But
Speaker 1: the reason why I'm not surprised they would go with
Speaker 1: Foles is this Jaguars defense isn't special anymore. It's fine.
Speaker 1: You know, they have three pass rushers. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: But other than that, what are they doing? Every defense
Speaker 1: look bad? I guess do you remember him having a
Speaker 1: second gear like that? No? And and so they've got
Speaker 1: to move that ball to the other hand by the sideline,
Speaker 1: but getting the end zone, Carlos, if their defense is
Speaker 1: just okay, the old line is definitely not great and
Speaker 1: maybe that'll hurt nick Foles if he comes in. Minshow
Speaker 1: has done a good job kind of coping with that.
Speaker 1: Who's got the higher ceiling. And I don't think you
Speaker 1: can discount the sealing that we've seen out of Nick
Speaker 1: Foles either that his best and we saw it in
Speaker 1: the you know, as one of the great Super Bowl
Speaker 1: performances ever, but a really great stretch run last year too.
Speaker 1: Is is pretty high and I think you want to
Speaker 1: see him because if you don't see him, then you're
Speaker 1: just moving on from him after this season. And I
Speaker 1: think Minho is gonna be there for four years and
Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me if we see falls and then
Speaker 1: min shoos their quarterback. Just a unique situation and it
Speaker 1: feels like a hundred years ago. But there was a
Speaker 1: time when Nick Foles was a young quarterback that was
Speaker 1: fairly unheralded and he had twenty seven touchdowns and two
Speaker 1: interceptions or whatever it is, and this was kind of
Speaker 1: framed as his first like real crack of leading a
Speaker 1: franchise um, it makes sense to me. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a popular um decision if it goes
Speaker 1: down the way it seems to with the organism with
Speaker 1: the fans, because we've got like that stadium for instance,
Speaker 1: that's essentially a home game, well it was literally home
Speaker 1: game for the Jaguars, but also a lot of Jaguars
Speaker 1: fans in the UK, everyone with their number fifteen jerseys
Speaker 1: that they spent sixty dollars on and they have the
Speaker 1: mustaches on. He has captured the imagination of that fan base.
Speaker 1: I would imagine there's going to be some pushback if
Speaker 1: they move away, but they do have a head coach
Speaker 1: and Maron he is like Bill o'briena. He doesn't care.
Speaker 1: He's not going to factor in with the fans think,
Speaker 1: nor should he um, but it seems I would be
Speaker 1: surprised he also, Yeah, that's true, but he has to
Speaker 1: he does have to factor in what the locker room thinks.
Speaker 1: I would imagine he also seems like a coach that
Speaker 1: might not care about that either, based on past Dug
Speaker 1: Marown experiences. Texans have swept the Jags. I mean, this
Speaker 1: was a big win, just in the a f C
Speaker 1: South Race. Yes, let us move on, but before we do,
Speaker 1: that was the road to victory presented by the United
Speaker 1: States Marine Corps. All right, let's move on to one
Speaker 1: of the more puzzling results of UH Sunday's football action.
Speaker 1: I formation Rivers under center Derek Watt Melvin Gordon, seven
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. On a fourth and goal, hands to Gordon
Speaker 1: pushes into the Insultstone Chargers. Melvin Gordon with a second
Speaker 1: one yard time in the game. Chargers have found a
Speaker 1: running game. Melvin Gordon's short yardage no problem. Drop your
Speaker 1: pads and power right through. Drop the audio once Money
Speaker 1: finished his input highlight. We do not need the other
Speaker 1: guy in the booth, Daniel Jeremiah, don't need him. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put that on that. Tatton and he's just he's
Speaker 1: filling in for some ill people. You know your feelings
Speaker 1: about we have a rule, the heart and fast rule.
Speaker 1: No Daniel Jeremiah on this show. I don't know about
Speaker 1: what I do. Yeah, I would say we is is
Speaker 1: stretching in anyway, this thing has really had staining powder.
Speaker 1: I like it by now. Melvin Gordon scored twice from
Speaker 1: one yard out, including that plunge in the second half,
Speaker 1: and Michael Badgeley come for you. Mike Badgeley four field goals.
Speaker 1: The Chargers dominate the Packers eleven. At the Big Dignity?
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? The Big Dignity? I
Speaker 1: like it. I was also thinking about at the works
Speaker 1: at the big healthy, at the big healthy, super healthy,
Speaker 1: the super healthy, big healthy, big healthy, big healthy, big dignity.
Speaker 1: Though that's kind of interesting too. Yeah, it's tricky, big
Speaker 1: big healthy. Anyway, it stops a three game losing streak
Speaker 1: for the Charges West. But we have to know, though,
Speaker 1: what the hell happened to Aaron Codgers in the Backers
Speaker 1: offense in this one? This was a hammer drop, just
Speaker 1: an absolute hammer drop of a game, and to me
Speaker 1: says more about the Chargers and what they are now
Speaker 1: as opposed to a couple of weeks ago versus what
Speaker 1: it says about the Packers. I think you have a
Speaker 1: healthy Melvin Ingram, which you didn't have a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon looked more explosive, elusive, and decisive today than
Speaker 1: he has at any point this year. By far. He
Speaker 1: just looked like a different player. Um, Russolo Komb's back hunter,
Speaker 1: Henry is playing really well. All these guys who weren't
Speaker 1: playing or playing poorly for the Chargers have transformed this team.
Speaker 1: This looked like a totally different team. It was one
Speaker 1: of Philip rivers best game of the year, his ball placement,
Speaker 1: his ability to get rid of the ball really quickly.
Speaker 1: And then Joey Bosa, I mean, I guess he could
Speaker 1: be battling his brother for an All Pro birth. He's
Speaker 1: having just as good of a year as Nick Bosa,
Speaker 1: and he lived in the Packers backfield in this game. Um,
Speaker 1: you don't often hear a head coach after the game
Speaker 1: say we never even had a chance to get into
Speaker 1: our game plan. And that's what Matt Lafloor said. It
Speaker 1: seemed like every third down the Packers couldn't convert, so
Speaker 1: they never had the ball and one of the Jim
Speaker 1: Nance nuggets in this game was hit a couple of
Speaker 1: good ones. Uh, but this was the first time and
Speaker 1: Aaron red Iron Rodgers led offense did not top one
Speaker 1: yards by the end of the third quarter. Wow, yeah
Speaker 1: it was. It was three nine to sixty in yards
Speaker 1: late in the third quarter. That is the most surprising
Speaker 1: yardage total. And this is right up there with the
Speaker 1: most surprising games to me of the entire NFL, just
Speaker 1: in terms of the dominance, because the Chargers hadn't shown
Speaker 1: us anything like this all year. I don't think you'll
Speaker 1: watch this game in say, oh, you know, the Charges
Speaker 1: are flying around and and really hitting people hard and
Speaker 1: swarming everything. The Packers just couldn't get anything accomplished on
Speaker 1: third downs. And I imagine that Bill at the at
Speaker 1: the Big health or the Big Healthier, the big dignity
Speaker 1: that had to be filled with cheeseheads, and that didn't
Speaker 1: matter obviously, because the Packers gonna do a damn thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just had a vision of one of the cheesehts
Speaker 1: who was shirtless with suspenders and some goofy had at
Speaker 1: the end of the game, just looking miserable and get it,
Speaker 1: probably showed that a lot of money. Yeah, the Packers defense,
Speaker 1: at least defending the run is a problem. I know,
Speaker 1: Gordon he did look better I think in his touchdown
Speaker 1: run last week too, and I'm sure he did today.
Speaker 1: But they're kind of that team that if you've got
Speaker 1: a running game problem, face the Packers and they'll solve
Speaker 1: it for you. I mean every every week. It's like that.
Speaker 1: They hadn't top the Chargers in the top forty yards,
Speaker 1: you know, since Week four on the ground and they
Speaker 1: put one fifty nine on the Packers and uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess they should fire Ken Wizzing Hunt
Speaker 1: more often. You know, it's like it's great. I take
Speaker 1: back what I mean. They're not the first time to
Speaker 1: go down that app and call them up again tonight,
Speaker 1: as long as you keep paying them. I thought they
Speaker 1: looked more in sync. I mean, it's hard to pay
Speaker 1: attention too much to play calling during the game, but
Speaker 1: they looked more in sync. And one of the beat
Speaker 1: writers said they were getting the plays in a lot
Speaker 1: quicker and allowing rivers to make quicker decisions at the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Just so baffling, because we just finished
Speaker 1: talking about, you know this great Packers stretch that they've
Speaker 1: been on before the loss today and how they've been
Speaker 1: able to turn Aaron Jones into this dual threat superstar.
Speaker 1: Well he doesn't do anything, and then uh Davante Adams
Speaker 1: had missed all that time, and then he comes back
Speaker 1: and he's the most target receiver. But it's in their
Speaker 1: worst offensive performance in uh six weeks. So sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: this is good. This is a good thing about sports.
Speaker 1: Though sometimes it's good to have these like screwball things
Speaker 1: that just let everybody know you don't really know anything
Speaker 1: and anything could happen any given Sunday is a term
Speaker 1: I've come up with. On any given sun something can
Speaker 1: change that. Talk to the NFL about that you should
Speaker 1: trademark that, like Michael Badgeley trademarked money Badger. Oh what
Speaker 1: about even even crazier Up in New England, they're using
Speaker 1: quiet Storm for Stephon Gilmour, which does not sit well. Well,
Speaker 1: they had a quiet storm a year ago in a
Speaker 1: different player, and so they've now gone down the road
Speaker 1: with its flowers was quiet. This is I P It's
Speaker 1: it's shocking to me that the Patriots are not respecting
Speaker 1: our podcast. I don't. That's something I'm struggling to process.
Speaker 1: Aren't respecting others? Period? Should I get back on the
Speaker 1: Charger's band round? Go ahead here? Really, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: of their four and five and like we said that
Speaker 1: of all the teams where there are a lot of
Speaker 1: teams like this every year where you can just like
Speaker 1: throw out the first half of the year and do
Speaker 1: they have people on their roster that could make you
Speaker 1: believe and they go on a second half run. Sure,
Speaker 1: I believe that, and you will have their starting safeties.
Speaker 1: Ostensibly we'll come back at some point Durwin James and
Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips, and that would be to me, the final
Speaker 1: pieces on that defense. You saw a transformed defense today.
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa is really playing as well as Nick Bosa.
Speaker 1: I think we but it's only like twice in our
Speaker 1: lives were brothers on the in the same league at
Speaker 1: the same time, or this dominant. I would allow them
Speaker 1: both into the Pro Bowl as one entity and one
Speaker 1: plays the first half, one plays the second, or to
Speaker 1: be a double All Pro vote, because it's like, let's
Speaker 1: be rules associated and rules dominant, but like it's gonna
Speaker 1: happen never double d p O. I. That's the big award,
Speaker 1: and that's when you have children. You hope this is
Speaker 1: what happens with your children where you hit you know,
Speaker 1: late fifties or something. Both your children are raging income
Speaker 1: earning professionals, and you just sit back in like expensive
Speaker 1: rocking chairs. You know what. This game reminded me? Remember
Speaker 1: our old fork segment. Yeah, of course this reminds me
Speaker 1: of Greg would always argue never to fork anyone because
Speaker 1: they could, you know, come alive. This is this is
Speaker 1: a team that we may have forked or come close
Speaker 1: to forking, and they looked like they could slide into
Speaker 1: a six seed. Yep, I agree. And one last thing
Speaker 1: before we move on west. Anything to be concerned about
Speaker 1: what the packers here are just a bad day. I
Speaker 1: would chalk it up to a speed bump. I think
Speaker 1: Greg's right that their defense has not been the last
Speaker 1: month what it was the first month. So that's an issue, um,
Speaker 1: But I chalk it up to things just just did
Speaker 1: not go their way. These third down bombs that Roger's
Speaker 1: been throwing and people have been making great catches. He's
Speaker 1: been putting right on people's hands. They didn't complete any
Speaker 1: of those today, So I mean some of that is
Speaker 1: just randomness, but they got thoroughly outplayed, and I think
Speaker 1: it was one of those games where you just shake
Speaker 1: it off and bounce back. You can't just roll into
Speaker 1: Big Healthy and have your way. That's something that we
Speaker 1: learned today. Only three more left in the Big Health.
Speaker 1: What is it the Little Dignity? Three more forever? Alright? Mark,
Speaker 1: you went to the first game there, I did. What
Speaker 1: a celebration to go to the last game. It's kind
Speaker 1: of button it up. Well, I guess bumps thinking about
Speaker 1: Mark's trip to the Big Dignity. Another article of mine
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm certain you've not read. Let's move on
Speaker 1: you an article about it. Here's your food play action
Speaker 1: and Stafford fires back of the end zone incomplete and
Speaker 1: complain and complete, three seconds left, the older man not
Speaker 1: falling for the fake resited. I have big critical of
Speaker 1: this coverage all season when he's did a Matts job.
Speaker 1: When that last boy, how magnanimous of Lincoln Kennedy and
Speaker 1: his partner Brenton Mussberger of kg m Z. I do
Speaker 1: I have to say, I love here in Brenton Musberger's voice,
Speaker 1: I know he had you know some people. He had
Speaker 1: the issue with the Alabama quarterback a few years back,
Speaker 1: caught some heat for that. I was like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: quite a looker, mcar and some issues on social media.
Speaker 1: But and he maybe went a little too hard into
Speaker 1: the Vegas. He's like, I love gambling. That was a
Speaker 1: little weird when he did that, but you know, he
Speaker 1: owns a gambling company, so he's still very much in that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know what he sounds like, Greig has no
Speaker 1: issues with that. Part of don't make your money sounds
Speaker 1: like childhood to me, and I'm sure you guys, it's
Speaker 1: just a collective memory. It's not recent experiences with the
Speaker 1: man per se. Karl Joseph broke up a fourth down
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford passing the end zone with three seconds to play,
Speaker 1: given the Raiders right over the Lions. This is the
Speaker 1: first game played at the Black Hole in seven weeks,
Speaker 1: and Derek Carr put the Raiders ahead with two minutes
Speaker 1: to play on a touchdown past our hunter Renfro who's
Speaker 1: slowly getting out of Greg Rosenthal's unfair doghouse. Greg, the Raiders,
Speaker 1: you know they're fun, and so is this game. It
Speaker 1: was the game of the day. Disrespectful to put it
Speaker 1: so far down in the order, but I get it.
Speaker 1: It's a it's all these a f C West teams
Speaker 1: in a row. You know. People say, oh, the NFC
Speaker 1: is way better. Well it is, But today the Matt Moore,
Speaker 1: the backup of the Chiefs, they take out the Vikings.
Speaker 1: The Packers can't get even close against the Chargers, and
Speaker 1: here's Oakland beating an NFC team, the Lions. And I
Speaker 1: think you gotta start with Derek Carr and the offensive line.
Speaker 1: The combination of those two factors have made this team
Speaker 1: very watchable. He got sacked today for the first time
Speaker 1: since Week four. It's outrageous. They were missing their starting center,
Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson, and then they lost Trent Brown, their right
Speaker 1: tackle early in the game. So that's big time concern
Speaker 1: later in the season. Uh, but it didn't. You didn't
Speaker 1: notice it today. And I think no quarterback is more
Speaker 1: different when he has pressure on him than when he's
Speaker 1: well protected than Derek car Because when he's protected like
Speaker 1: he has been this season, especially today, he makes some
Speaker 1: pretty throws and he made a number of them today.
Speaker 1: It was back and forth and it was a lot
Speaker 1: of fun to watch. Are there some people out there
Speaker 1: who might owe Tom Cable an apology the offensive line?
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people apologize. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: that we I'm fine that I picked on how poor
Speaker 1: his offensive line produced year after year after year. But
Speaker 1: he's done a great job. He's been everybody's whipping boy
Speaker 1: on Twitter because he can't coach offensive line, according to Twitter.
Speaker 1: But this offensive line is doing really well. It is
Speaker 1: and because of that, Cars had time to look and
Speaker 1: and there was a third and eleven throw to Tyrone
Speaker 1: Williams that kept a touchdown drive going that was just outrageous.
Speaker 1: Their game winning touchdown drive was all the Jalen Richard
Speaker 1: for a while, and then it's two ren fro to
Speaker 1: for the game winner where car has to make a
Speaker 1: play late in the down. John Gruden's having fun calling
Speaker 1: plays and he's doing a great job doing it, and
Speaker 1: he didn't face that much opposition here with Detroit. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was surprised this game didn't go to overtime because
Speaker 1: neither defense could get any pressure, and neither defense is
Speaker 1: very good. And I just figured this is thirty one
Speaker 1: thirty one overtime. I think we think the apologies might
Speaker 1: extend to John Gruden as well, who I know I've
Speaker 1: had fun at his expense multiple times. The but you
Speaker 1: mentioned the defense, and that's my concern with Oakland's overall
Speaker 1: journey here is that you're regularly you're giving up yards passing.
Speaker 1: They're not the past rush isn't there. It just feels
Speaker 1: like a fatal potentially. I don't think any of us
Speaker 1: agree with they're you know, a special team or a
Speaker 1: playoff Darling. No, but they're in the mix that they're
Speaker 1: in the mix there entertaining team that's gonna play some
Speaker 1: back and forth, some high scoring games. And and one
Speaker 1: guy I want to point out, because we talked about it, West,
Speaker 1: you got on me a little bit because I see
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray as a potential offensive player of the year
Speaker 1: still for rookies. Um and you throughout Gardener meets you
Speaker 1: as a guy that you guys would get behind. I
Speaker 1: think Josh Jacobs has got to be the guy. I
Speaker 1: mean right now, what he's doing on a weekly basis
Speaker 1: basis of this team. He is a bell cow back.
Speaker 1: He's twenty one years old, and he runs like a
Speaker 1: madman for one twenty and two touchdowns. And this is
Speaker 1: just something. Every week they can count on Jacob's giving
Speaker 1: them good yardage and helping the offense stay functional. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get more impressed with him every week. He just
Speaker 1: seems to get better. I'm the same. I thought this
Speaker 1: was his best game. There are a lot of players
Speaker 1: that should have been negative yardage where he ends up
Speaker 1: getting two, three, four. He's got that jump cut, he's
Speaker 1: running more decisively. I think you're right, Well, the one
Speaker 1: I think I have no problem with that. But if
Speaker 1: it's all things being equal, the degree of difficulty to
Speaker 1: come in as a rookie quarterback is something that I
Speaker 1: think wins that award over and over for those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it does. If Mini gets who know, it doesn't even
Speaker 1: that that part of it doesn't matter. I just am
Speaker 1: impressed of how much this guy has changed this team
Speaker 1: and Josh j And it's good nail to nail some
Speaker 1: draft picks. I mean, had you know they have some
Speaker 1: young players, have a really good rookie class, right, that
Speaker 1: was important pass rush. They maybe didn't nail the first pick.
Speaker 1: It's still very early, obviously, but on balances, yes, well,
Speaker 1: they lost rookie safety who I think would have made
Speaker 1: a big difference in this defense too. Didn't Rookie score
Speaker 1: all four of their touchdowns in this game? I believe yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're h yeah. Fabian Moreau had another big touchdown.
Speaker 1: This team is really interesting because you're right, I don't
Speaker 1: think they have any chance to win a Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: probably even the n f C Championship game. But to
Speaker 1: be football seasons are like that. You know, you can
Speaker 1: get value out of teams that go that win ten games.
Speaker 1: They have two more games here in the black Hole
Speaker 1: in a row Chargers on Thursday night, which is a
Speaker 1: spicy Thursday night football suddenly, because they both knew that
Speaker 1: went then the Bengals at the black Hole, then the Jets.
Speaker 1: You know, if they can put together these wins at
Speaker 1: home in their final season of Oakland and sneak into
Speaker 1: a playoff spot, that's gonna be like a magical moment,
Speaker 1: and it would be a nice way to send that
Speaker 1: crowd out. I like it. All right, let us move
Speaker 1: on to the team of s STL. I'll talk about
Speaker 1: the team that won the six play action fake Josh
Speaker 1: Allen Fire turn to the introme cut By Beasley touchdown
Speaker 1: Buffalo Cold Beas three touchdowns in three straight games for
Speaker 1: him and the Bill strike first with a six yard
Speaker 1: path from Josh Dallon. Cold Beasley jumps up in the sands,
Speaker 1: now being harassed by Bill's fans. Incredible sight to see
Speaker 1: this was an incredible route on the outside by so
Speaker 1: incredible John Murphy, Eric Wood w g R. With the call, Yes,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Cole Beasley, all the Alan quarterbacks one Sunday,
Speaker 1: Josh Kyle Brandon. That's only happened five other times history.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. I have um a close cousin of Minus
Speaker 1: Mike Allen, his brothers Eric and Stu the father. I
Speaker 1: texted them, I said, guys, big day Sunday. Big day
Speaker 1: for Stu Allen. All Right, Josh Allen, Cole Bisley connected
Speaker 1: for a second straight week, and rookie Devin Singletary had
Speaker 1: ninety five yards rushing, including a two yard score. The
Speaker 1: Bills coast nine over Washington in Western New York. Mark.
Speaker 1: We asked the Bills to Lanta hammer on a bad
Speaker 1: Washington team. Did this qualify No? I don't think it
Speaker 1: would qualify at all as a hammering it. The game
Speaker 1: played two expectations in the sense that you know you
Speaker 1: mentioned my favorite team, the team of Mark Tale, did
Speaker 1: you estil it? That is because I love what the
Speaker 1: Redskins essentially have committed themselves to. Uh and we'll get
Speaker 1: to the team that won this in a second. But
Speaker 1: Washington three games in a row is I think they're
Speaker 1: basically saying, we are not going to be even if
Speaker 1: we are flying home, we are not going to miss
Speaker 1: sixty minutes tonight. We are not going to miss anything
Speaker 1: about what normally would happen from four pm. Game Yes
Speaker 1: or no is a non competitive game that ends quickly.
Speaker 1: That's football. That is what I like when I am
Speaker 1: covering now. I thought this would be my second game
Speaker 1: at the ten am slot on the West coast, and
Speaker 1: it was the only game I was covering. It did
Speaker 1: not quite check all the boxes from that angle, but
Speaker 1: it finished in about two hours and forty something minutes.
Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, they set the fastest game record in
Speaker 1: over a decade with a two hour thirty six game affair,
Speaker 1: and then they had a game and couched in between
Speaker 1: that was very similar. And it's because they are committed
Speaker 1: to essentially basing an offense around Adrian Peterson, who you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people wrote him off. He looked great, today.
Speaker 1: He looked really he had a hundred yards plus in
Speaker 1: the first half. You have Dwayne Haskins as your rookie starter,
Speaker 1: and I think they really were just that's frustrating because
Speaker 1: I think even for Dwayne Haskins, they seemed it's hard
Speaker 1: to get a read on a quarterback in an offense
Speaker 1: that has about ten plays in their playbook, and they
Speaker 1: aren't really letting him just to go for it and
Speaker 1: wing it. I like his arm, but you're right, it
Speaker 1: will hurt you because this is the least creative offensive
Speaker 1: attack that I've maybe ever seen. But they're committed to it,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. Like Bill Callahan, he replaced a
Speaker 1: Gruden brother, So you would imagine there's a playbook in
Speaker 1: there somewhere that has something. It's all about the running game,
Speaker 1: but the personnel if they don't trust. They used page
Speaker 1: A of the running attack part of the playbook, I think,
Speaker 1: and they're just the Bills to me. My one concern
Speaker 1: is a lack of ability to close certain games. They
Speaker 1: in the second half of this thing got shut down
Speaker 1: in the red zone. Uh Gore has struggled today and
Speaker 1: the one thing that I took away from the Bills
Speaker 1: is they seem now committed down the stretch to use
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary, who led the team with twenty carries, as
Speaker 1: someone that they're gonna lean on more and more. And
Speaker 1: he's not perfect, but he is more explosive than anyone
Speaker 1: else they have at running back, right, Semey and take
Speaker 1: Frank Gore with us. No, no, I was stuffed on
Speaker 1: you know for first, second, third, fourth and short three
Speaker 1: or four times in this game. One on a on
Speaker 1: an early third quarter drive just ended in downs because
Speaker 1: Gore was stuffed and it was just not a great
Speaker 1: look for him. And the Bills should have won this game.
Speaker 1: They should have been up by three plus touchdowns at
Speaker 1: various points and it was like seventeen to nine. It
Speaker 1: was a one score game for way too long because
Speaker 1: they just don't have the parts in place to put
Speaker 1: people away the way you asked if that's what they did,
Speaker 1: you know, it looked that way too, Haskins. They didn't
Speaker 1: have a you know, wide receiver catchup pass over thirteen yards.
Speaker 1: If you look at the stats and it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: you average seven yards per attempt. It it wasn't a
Speaker 1: total disaster. Bills are six and oh against teams below
Speaker 1: five hundred, two against teams above five hundred, but three
Speaker 1: three of the Bills remaining eight games or against teams
Speaker 1: currently above five hundred. So again we and we've been
Speaker 1: saying this um that if they just play to their
Speaker 1: how they've been doing so far, just beat bad teams,
Speaker 1: and maybe you don't beat the good teams. You go
Speaker 1: eleven or five, and then we'll see you probably quickly.
Speaker 1: We'll see you quickly out of the playoff tournament. But again,
Speaker 1: who knows. You never know. Some of these other a
Speaker 1: FC teams we've talked about the Chargers today, you never
Speaker 1: know what happens. You get the Bills in January, you
Speaker 1: get that defense hyped up in a cold weather game.
Speaker 1: I see a little Brian Westbrook and Devin Single two
Speaker 1: remember him. Eagles, Absolutely, I can see that. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: I see it too. Was thank you McCaffrey, right up,
Speaker 1: the free may score to the forty to the thirty
Speaker 1: foot race, funny to the ten arline. Yes, sir, he
Speaker 1: stares down, I mean, and the open field just dragging
Speaker 1: for the last five yards. Dorey Jackson in the end zone,
Speaker 1: fifty eight yard touchdowner on the great mcmixon of w
Speaker 1: BT with the call C m C for m v P.
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey continued to build on his phenomenal twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: going off for a buck sixty six and three touches
Speaker 1: that's a hundred sixty six yards from scrimmage, Panthers a
Speaker 1: thirty twenty win over the Titans in Charlotte West. The
Speaker 1: Panthers were embarrassed by the Niners a week ago. You
Speaker 1: always want to you want to follow the bury the
Speaker 1: ball game with a get right game. And that's what
Speaker 1: happened to that. It's not that complic By the way,
Speaker 1: mcmixon sounds like a competitive barbecue circuit guy. Oh yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: this was a get right game. I think I was
Speaker 1: starting to doubt Kyle Allen big Toe. I'm and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he looked like, you know, the prime of
Speaker 1: Jake Delone back there. I'm not talking about the decline phase.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the prime. How about the guy who
Speaker 1: lit up Jone? That guy could play. He made some
Speaker 1: pretty and we've seen in his best starts he's got
Speaker 1: some nice touch and ball placement, and he had that today.
Speaker 1: And then Christian McCaffrey just took over. But this was
Speaker 1: also a the Titans never had the ball. It was
Speaker 1: seventeen to nothing, and at that point the Panthers had
Speaker 1: run forty one place the Titans had run only fourteen.
Speaker 1: Dion Lewis, who was really given the Titans very little
Speaker 1: this year, fumbled a j Brown dropped the past. It
Speaker 1: turned into an easy interception, and those two plays really
Speaker 1: broke the back of the Titans in the first half
Speaker 1: and never given gave them a chance to stay in
Speaker 1: this game. The separation right now in the a f
Speaker 1: C South is noticeable. The Titans and the Jags now
Speaker 1: two losses behind. That's pretty significant. The Titans are a
Speaker 1: team that if you look beyond the numbers, kind of
Speaker 1: at the underlying arts for play. The d v o
Speaker 1: A Football outsiders, pretty much anyone with the advanced metrics
Speaker 1: say that they were a much worse team than a
Speaker 1: four and four team, that they're closer to it the
Speaker 1: best team in the league. And I thought this was
Speaker 1: a good test two teams that should be pretty even.
Speaker 1: You got Kyle Allen starting for Carolina and it's not
Speaker 1: that close. Well they're not even because of Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 1: I think he's He's just the best player in this
Speaker 1: game by far. And then I think Titans fans have
Speaker 1: the pitchforks and torches out for for the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: first year guy Arthur Smith. They've really done. They have
Speaker 1: no identity on offense. They haven't done much, and I
Speaker 1: don't know how much of that is just at the
Speaker 1: offensive line. They changed quarterbacks and the offensive line is
Speaker 1: still a mess. You're gonna come at their art because
Speaker 1: he's working with Mariota and Tannehill, all right. I mean
Speaker 1: they've changed offensive coordinators almost every year. He might be
Speaker 1: the Mariota of coordinators. That's certainly possible. I want to
Speaker 1: point two things out about McCaffrey to put this into
Speaker 1: some you know historic um, you know, looking at this historically.
Speaker 1: So the only way you can win m VP is
Speaker 1: running backcause you have to have a historic season. And
Speaker 1: McCaffrey joins Jim Brown, your boy Mark in nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 1: is the only players in NFL history with a hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty plus yards from scrimmage and one at least
Speaker 1: one scrimmage touchdown in six of eight games. And now
Speaker 1: this for the guys that built rode a world break
Speaker 1: by Brick. That was Greg West. Listen to this. What
Speaker 1: is the greatest fantasy season in the history of mankind,
Speaker 1: at least this century? I a guest la Dainian Tomlinson's
Speaker 1: like thirty touchdown season, Yes, two thousand six. Uh, he
Speaker 1: had four eighty three points for the Chargers. Unbelievable. McCaffrey
Speaker 1: on pace for four d ninety three points. He's on
Speaker 1: pace have the greatest fantasy season of all time. Um,
Speaker 1: now what does that mean? Maybe nothing to the people
Speaker 1: in this room. You guys have moved on. You look
Speaker 1: at you. You believe yourself to be above fantasy. But
Speaker 1: for the five hundred million people that play fantasy, what
Speaker 1: he's doing has never been done before. And that's how
Speaker 1: you win m VP. You have a season for the
Speaker 1: ages at running back. I think if they took a
Speaker 1: vote today, he would come in second place the Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: I changed, I changed my way, but I think that
Speaker 1: that's how the voters would go, that he would have
Speaker 1: a significant amount of support. Watson would have some, and
Speaker 1: I think Wilson would have. So with today's tough game,
Speaker 1: he's got to be in the conversation. I think he
Speaker 1: probably dropped like fourth or fifth after today. I mean, also,
Speaker 1: if you're voting on this stuff, you're probably not necessarily
Speaker 1: watching coaches tape on every player in the league. We
Speaker 1: got the weekend, so that Christian McCaffrey experience is that
Speaker 1: every week he does two or three things that look
Speaker 1: like nothing else we've ever seen from a running back
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Oh, we got the return of Riverboat today.
Speaker 1: Oh good goes for fourth and two and ended up
Speaker 1: a seven yard touchdown to McCaffrey and then had a
Speaker 1: fake punt late in the game to cut the Titans off.
Speaker 1: That's good because Riverboats certainly took the Niners game off.
Speaker 1: Riverboats had a nice, nice little run here and staring
Speaker 1: at getting five? Are there there? What are they now?
Speaker 1: With Kyle Allen five and one? He's always staring at
Speaker 1: getting fire? Pretty wild. Mark got a head back to
Speaker 1: the cemetery. Let's on the way Mayfield, the pockets close
Speaker 1: across round is dropped at the twenty slavery headed in
Speaker 1: his hands, and then the collision with Gavante Harris. He
Speaker 1: couldn't hang on Karen Jackson there as well, and the
Speaker 1: Denver defense makes a huge stop with three nineteen left,
Speaker 1: where they needed that. Dave Logan and Rick Lewis of
Speaker 1: ko A with the call. Yes, that Broncos defense throttled
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield and friends all afternoon, forcing the Browns to
Speaker 1: settle for four field goals, all when they were in
Speaker 1: close to the end zone, and two stops on fourth down,
Speaker 1: including one that I know Mark is gonna want to
Speaker 1: talk about. Nineteen is the final. The Broncos beat the
Speaker 1: Browns at Mile high Mark. We called this a POTENTI
Speaker 1: a dirt nap game for the Browns and and then
Speaker 1: you let Brandon Allen and the Broncos get you some
Speaker 1: in the Undertaker. Yeah, it's I think that the Browns
Speaker 1: season has been one of if you're a bit of
Speaker 1: a snake bit Cleveland fan of a certain age, you
Speaker 1: go into each of these weeks with the hope factor
Speaker 1: diminishing and being shipped away, and you start to during
Speaker 1: the course of the week imagine the worst case scenario,
Speaker 1: and it seems to be coming true week after week.
Speaker 1: Where Brandon Allen was the quarterback in this game who
Speaker 1: got a ton of help and turns of yards after
Speaker 1: the catch, but also made some money throws. I mean
Speaker 1: he also at times looked completely out of place, but
Speaker 1: he did not throw an interception. He did not completely
Speaker 1: unspooled Denver's offense against the Browns defense that I thought
Speaker 1: did not show up today when when they needed the
Speaker 1: most too. And on offense you mentioned it, they drove
Speaker 1: down Baker Mayfield and the Browns to Denver's twenty one
Speaker 1: yard line, to their twelve, twice to their nine, and
Speaker 1: to their five the way with twelve points off of that,
Speaker 1: and the play that you're mentioning is a critical fourth
Speaker 1: down conversion attempt where Baker Mayfield, with Nick Chubb off
Speaker 1: the field, wiggled around center to essentially try a quarterback sneak.
Speaker 1: I thought from every replay angle it looked to me
Speaker 1: like he like he got it, and widely it was
Speaker 1: what the the broadcasters felt the same way. And they
Speaker 1: were not rewarded the first down, and I think the
Speaker 1: game essentially they challenged it and they did not get
Speaker 1: They challenged it. And Freddie Kitchens, who has been under
Speaker 1: a ton of fire in general obviously for what's happened
Speaker 1: this season, his record with these challenges is becoming something antihistoric.
Speaker 1: So it is a rough loss for Cleveland, but a
Speaker 1: lot of credit to Denver, because I thought they had
Speaker 1: a whole different energy with Brandon Allen in there, and
Speaker 1: they needed a bit of a change at quarterback. We
Speaker 1: know that, but guys like no offense showed up for
Speaker 1: the first time all season. Philip Lindsay played a great
Speaker 1: game too. It doesn't quite look that way if you
Speaker 1: look at his at his box score, but I mean
Speaker 1: he was fantastic down the stretch and they won a
Speaker 1: game against a team that I'm not sure you can
Speaker 1: look at Cleveland schedule and say it's so easy from
Speaker 1: here on out, it's easy to play the Browns right now.
Speaker 1: They shoot themselves in the foot, can't close drives, and
Speaker 1: seem to have a different part of the team not
Speaker 1: show up on a weekly basis. It seemed like Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham was frustrated after the game. I know at one
Speaker 1: point James Palmer said that he came off the field
Speaker 1: and basically expressed, it doesn't matter what I do, I
Speaker 1: can't get the ball thrown to me. That was on
Speaker 1: that fourth and four play late. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: they During the week, you know, Odell Beckham talked about
Speaker 1: the fact that he and Baker Mayfield never really developed
Speaker 1: that chemistry prior to Week one and it hasn't shown up.
Speaker 1: And they mentioned during the game that Odell Beckham basically
Speaker 1: wants the quarterback to throw it to him in traffic
Speaker 1: and give him a chance to do what he does.
Speaker 1: And that's not happening. They have been out of sync
Speaker 1: from wire to wire and it's it's it's I can't
Speaker 1: believe it's already November. It just this has been a
Speaker 1: bad Brown season and it's I'm never listening to another
Speaker 1: bit of offseason fantasy nonsense ever again about what a
Speaker 1: team is going to do until it's actually happening. It's
Speaker 1: all media conjured bs Beckham. It's it's on some of
Speaker 1: them not shocking the that they're not in sync. They
Speaker 1: didn't practice at all the entire off season. Some of
Speaker 1: that was by choice, some of that was by choice
Speaker 1: with Beckham, and then the rest was injury. You know,
Speaker 1: in training camp they did throw to him six times,
Speaker 1: he caught five or eighty seven. That's extremely efficient. If
Speaker 1: you did that every week, you would love. It's because
Speaker 1: playing well. He's not playing well. I think I think
Speaker 1: this is I think Beckham hasn't come down with a
Speaker 1: number of fifty fifty balls this year. It's probably just
Speaker 1: five or six, but it just has shown, you know,
Speaker 1: it's noticeable that he normally does, but it's mostly Baker
Speaker 1: and Beckham is going to be in the news again
Speaker 1: because this has been the one thing he has found
Speaker 1: himself in the news with with his fashion choices. He
Speaker 1: wore joker cleats. Him and Jarvis Landry both wore clee
Speaker 1: so that are not allowed by the league. And I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be one of those guys like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy has no respect for the game and he
Speaker 1: only cares about himself. But as what I imagine is
Speaker 1: going to happen is he will go out in the
Speaker 1: media and say how he's being persecuted, and it's just like,
Speaker 1: it is not a great look when you're wearing the
Speaker 1: joker cleats and you're two and six and you're not
Speaker 1: making the game changing plays you're brought to the team
Speaker 1: to do. It has just been a really bad debut season. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I would say this that in general, Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham has, compared to some of the stuff that happened
Speaker 1: with the New York Giants, not been a problem on
Speaker 1: this team at all. The team, the issues with the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns extend far beyond fashion child. I agree. I
Speaker 1: just want to say, like the and this room kill
Speaker 1: Eli Manning. It was time for Eli to go. But
Speaker 1: Beckham has gone to Cleveland. He's no longer an exciting player.
Speaker 1: He makes a play here and there, but he was
Speaker 1: one of the most exciting players we've seen in twenty years.
Speaker 1: That to me is one of the most shocking things
Speaker 1: of build your offense around a rider wide receiver. I agree.
Speaker 1: I've been very disappointed by that connection. Baker in o'dello,
Speaker 1: I had much higher expectations for them. It's the Browns
Speaker 1: offense is one of the most shocking units in the
Speaker 1: entire NFL. It's one of the worst, worst five or
Speaker 1: six offenses. I wouldn't imagine that in a million years.
Speaker 1: Even today, they where they run seventy three plays, they
Speaker 1: still only get three fifty one yards out of it.
Speaker 1: It's like Brandon Allen comes in. They put up twenty
Speaker 1: four points. That matches their season high. They only had
Speaker 1: nine drives. Now wasn't all perfect, but they hit some
Speaker 1: big plays. It's it's just wild that last year their
Speaker 1: recipe was explosive downfield passing action and it's all withered away,
Speaker 1: and they ask you a question right now in November three,
Speaker 1: Mark on January one. Is Freddie Kitchens the coach of
Speaker 1: the Browns. I think he is. I think he is,
Speaker 1: so he'll get a second just because the organization has
Speaker 1: made so many changes. All right, here's the guy who
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll get a second year. Let's move
Speaker 1: on back to throw for backer looking flips at back,
Speaker 1: shoulder to touchdown. It's de Vante Parker water catch. It
Speaker 1: takes the shoulder, he makes it, catches easy ones, he drops. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I'll take that one right there, ball that it cuts down.
Speaker 1: They caught that ball one handed. Jimmy Cephalo and Bob
Speaker 1: Greasy w q A m with the called. Ryan Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: fits magic three touchdown passes, two of them to rookie
Speaker 1: Preston Williams, and Miami gets its first win of the
Speaker 1: season by beating former coach Adam Gaze and the New
Speaker 1: York Jets final score to eighteen at hard Rock Stadium.
Speaker 1: Um The Dolphins who have been it's been explained to
Speaker 1: us and speculated based on the moves Miami's made, that
Speaker 1: they were actively attempting to land the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: That this is the organic fish tank. Uh well, they
Speaker 1: met their match with the Jets, who are just one
Speaker 1: of those special franchises that somehow are now in the
Speaker 1: lead over the Dolphins for the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: I believe the Jets are currently would pick third and
Speaker 1: the Dolphins fourth. Uh And and you give credit to
Speaker 1: Brian Flores, who's the head coach of the Dolphins, who
Speaker 1: signed a big contract to take over that team and
Speaker 1: was handed an absolute disaster scenario and things could not
Speaker 1: have started worse. It was still the worst start for
Speaker 1: any team in recent NFL history, But if you've been
Speaker 1: tracking them at all, the Dolphins have been getting better
Speaker 1: week after week after week. And on Monday Night, as
Speaker 1: we remember, against the Steelers, they even had a four
Speaker 1: teen nothing lead. Uh So they they had gotten to
Speaker 1: the point where they weren't just competitive, but they were
Speaker 1: actively uh looking like a team that could win a game,
Speaker 1: and they finished the job against the Jets. The Jets
Speaker 1: were the perfect opponent because this is an organization both
Speaker 1: inside and out, that's in a free fall right now.
Speaker 1: And on the first drive, just like last week, for
Speaker 1: the Jets, they go right down the field to get
Speaker 1: a touchdown on their up seven nothing. Sam Donald looks
Speaker 1: great and then and again, this is why Adam Gaze
Speaker 1: to me, especially now that the fan base is going
Speaker 1: to be on fire after you lose to the tanking Dolphins,
Speaker 1: you can't do this week after week and have a
Speaker 1: bad offense. The Jets have a bad, bad, bad offense.
Speaker 1: And Adam Gaze was hired controversially. Uh, people didn't love
Speaker 1: the hire in a broad sense because they said this
Speaker 1: guy didn't do it in Miami. However, he had the
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning Seal of approval, and he had some glimmers
Speaker 1: of success with Ryan Tannehill and so on and so forth,
Speaker 1: and he would make Sam Donald better. Sam Donald is
Speaker 1: not getting better. Sam Donald is regressing. So when you
Speaker 1: factor in the poor play of the team, how they
Speaker 1: seem unprepared, how they how they seem listless, the effort
Speaker 1: isn't there at times, it seems, how they're getting beat
Speaker 1: every week, how they're getting embarrassed the most weeks, and
Speaker 1: the fact that the golden boy Sam Donald um continues
Speaker 1: to struggle actually with turnovers um And that was of
Speaker 1: course that the connection to Donald at USC that he
Speaker 1: was a talented player that somehow sometimes could get careless. Well,
Speaker 1: that has really come to the forefront over the last
Speaker 1: three weeks. So add that all up. I think Gates
Speaker 1: has to go barring some type of magical shift. And
Speaker 1: you also have guys like Jamal Adams. We didn't really
Speaker 1: get into it too much on Thursday show, but he
Speaker 1: did tweet out during the Joe Douglas press conference how
Speaker 1: he felt, essentially he was double cross that the team
Speaker 1: had told him he wasn't on the block and then
Speaker 1: they held trade talks. Uh Ian Rappaport had a report
Speaker 1: on Sunday morning that Zack Martin the Jets were asking
Speaker 1: for uh Tyrant Smith. The Jets were asking for if
Speaker 1: they were gonna move Jamal Adams to the Cowboys. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys said no, and Adams now is actively on Twitter
Speaker 1: putting emojis up like a finish line, a checker flag.
Speaker 1: He's giving purposely, purposefully vague uh you know, running out
Speaker 1: the clock answer is post game. He's looking to get
Speaker 1: out of town. I don't think it's a great look
Speaker 1: by him either, but I get it. I get the frustration.
Speaker 1: The Jets are a mess, but good for the Dolphins
Speaker 1: if you're happy. I don't know if the Dolphins fans
Speaker 1: are happy right now. They were happy, the players are happy,
Speaker 1: and the coaching staffs happy. They never were tanking that,
Speaker 1: you know. The organization said that the players decided to
Speaker 1: take a step back watching Ryan Fitzpatrick walk off the
Speaker 1: field with his two sons two of seven, which he says,
Speaker 1: we weren't weren't born in seven different states, which is if.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was joking or not, but
Speaker 1: it's certainly possible considering his career. Kind of a weird
Speaker 1: joke is one of right, it's one of the most
Speaker 1: wild stats out there. And he said, I, you know,
Speaker 1: this doesn't this isn't like winning the Super Bowl. Um,
Speaker 1: but it sure feels sweet, and that this season has
Speaker 1: been a great lesson for my boys, that that they're
Speaker 1: watching this and that they are learning a lot of
Speaker 1: what it means to be a human, to being a professional,
Speaker 1: to be to take joy and things and it's not
Speaker 1: you know, going your way, And I found that that's
Speaker 1: kind of what sports is about sometimes, Like Brian Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: walking off the field with his son Brian Flores getting
Speaker 1: the gatorade bath. I mean, this felt like more than
Speaker 1: just an O and seven team winning a game fits
Speaker 1: it's a smart guy. Where do you go to school?
Speaker 1: Starting to feel like the plot from Major League That
Speaker 1: would be incredible. Uh, and we'll give Adam Gates the
Speaker 1: final word. He was asked if you know this was
Speaker 1: embarrassing to not just lose your former team, but to
Speaker 1: lose to a tanking team that entered action oh and eight.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter in the NFL. You gotta come out here,
Speaker 1: you gotta play good, you gotta play well. You can't
Speaker 1: have penalties, you can't have this opportunities. We didn't play
Speaker 1: well enough. It was this embarrassing. I mean, it's the NFL,
Speaker 1: and NFL can't can't be embarrassed by it. Well, it
Speaker 1: is embarrassing. It's humiliating to be a Jets fan. And
Speaker 1: he didn't just lose to the Dolphins. He lost to
Speaker 1: the team that he left in a mess. Let's move him.
Speaker 1: He gone. Chris Johnson was out. What's ups? Jacob Hollister's
Speaker 1: second store Shawks win in dramatic fashiom Git overtime. Here.
Speaker 1: It's such really feel water game. It's always a happy
Speaker 1: ending at the clink in these games. Steve rival k
Speaker 1: I r Oh. With the call, Russell Wilson can acts
Speaker 1: with Jacob Hollister ten yards score opening possession of ot
Speaker 1: Seahawks rally back. They went over the bucks at the clink.
Speaker 1: As I said, Wilson continues a brilliant season, just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He's got five touchdowns in this past and in this game.
Speaker 1: It's a career high. And uh, the biggest problem for
Speaker 1: the Seahawks right now, Mark is Jason Myers, who can't
Speaker 1: make a kick, including a forty yard or that he
Speaker 1: missed on final play of regulation. But life's good on
Speaker 1: Seahawks corner, isn't it. But they overcome it. Seems like
Speaker 1: whatever whatever happens to the Seahawks in a game, in
Speaker 1: that building especially, it just seemed to always be the
Speaker 1: one celebrating at the end of these tight games that
Speaker 1: go back and forth. But I don't find that to
Speaker 1: be annoying with this team the same way I would
Speaker 1: with others. We could point out that seemed to live
Speaker 1: in a different cloudy hemisphere than the rest of normal
Speaker 1: suffering fans like the Seahawks. I like the way they're coached.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of Seahawks fans are down on
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll for various elements that well, no, I mean,
Speaker 1: if not, that's that's just out there. But I we
Speaker 1: talked on Thursday about how the Bucks and Seahawks would
Speaker 1: mimic each other on some level. Greg, I think you
Speaker 1: thought that there were similarities, and I will concede that.
Speaker 1: The Bucks, to me, the early part of this game
Speaker 1: was Tampa Bay, and we saw a little bit early
Speaker 1: on against that Rams, that explosion that when they're on
Speaker 1: and when Jamis Winston isn't making mistakes, they are tough
Speaker 1: to deal with. Mike Evans is probably like the second
Speaker 1: best receiver in the league right now. He has almost
Speaker 1: four dred yards over two weeks. They compiled a seven
Speaker 1: lead by basically executing long, enduring drives seven plays, nine plays,
Speaker 1: twelve plays, ten plays, all pumping in points off of this.
Speaker 1: And it's the game where I thought maybe Seattle has
Speaker 1: more issues than I thought, because they start on defense
Speaker 1: and you can't ask Russell Wilson Wilson to dig you
Speaker 1: out of this whole week after week, but then it
Speaker 1: just plays to script in every possible way. Chris Carson
Speaker 1: was shut down early, but he had a big, big
Speaker 1: run in this that I thought galvinized Seattle on a
Speaker 1: scoring drive and then they just got hooked. And you're
Speaker 1: gonna get something from Tyler Lockett every week. That's magical,
Speaker 1: if not two or three things, and that formula all
Speaker 1: played out again. By the way, I should mention that
Speaker 1: on NFL dot com, our website, I will remind you
Speaker 1: we did our mid season Super Bowl picks and I
Speaker 1: picked Seattle. So that is looking very good to win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. You're saying to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: What was that preseason super Bowl pick? Don't remember what
Speaker 1: that was. So taking the Bucks to overtime at home
Speaker 1: and having a negative scoring differential at home this year
Speaker 1: is really because that is really the difference. I think
Speaker 1: sometimes between you and me that you're digging into scoring difference,
Speaker 1: but I'm talking. I'm talking about the total human angle
Speaker 1: of the sea. No matter what happens, this is the end.
Speaker 1: They are bad defensively, but that's okay. They're just a
Speaker 1: bad defense, that's it. But a bunch of bad defenses
Speaker 1: have been in Super Bowls, and I mean we've seen
Speaker 1: Superowls that are eight so it could certainly happen. They
Speaker 1: have never been the final score of a Super Bowl. Well,
Speaker 1: they've been closer there in the root in the toughest
Speaker 1: division in football, and they're gonna have to go through
Speaker 1: the forty nine. They play the Rams again, and so
Speaker 1: they'll they'll be tested. I'm not surprised. I think the
Speaker 1: Bucks came up with some positive things during their bye week.
Speaker 1: They've they've looked better offensively. They have Jason Pierre Paul back.
Speaker 1: But the Seahawks winning this game in one score was
Speaker 1: just wildly predictable. It's great every single yeah, they've they've
Speaker 1: been in the same amount of one score games as
Speaker 1: the Bucks. It's insane. What a great segment. I love
Speaker 1: anytime Greg plays the heel and uses wildly as an
Speaker 1: and he came meat half, by the way, he should
Speaker 1: be in that offensive Rookie of the Year race two.
Speaker 1: He has made that big of a differences in three
Speaker 1: of the plays he made today. On the long touchdown,
Speaker 1: which was not on that you know, supposed two route
Speaker 1: tree that the only things that he could run. That
Speaker 1: was a pretty advanced route, he made an incredible catch
Speaker 1: to set up the game winning touchdown, and he made
Speaker 1: a player miss to set up what should have been
Speaker 1: the game winning field goal like he was a difference
Speaker 1: maker today. And I also like that I said this
Speaker 1: the mark during one of our sky hits today. This
Speaker 1: probably doesn't even bear out. It just feels that way
Speaker 1: that Tyler Lockett and Russell Wilson never have an incompletion
Speaker 1: had He's only targeted like five or six game times
Speaker 1: a game. It's almost like there's some type of like
Speaker 1: hidden number he can't go above. Well, today they targeted
Speaker 1: like a hundred times and where he had thirteen catches
Speaker 1: or whatever. Just throw the ball to title Locket and
Speaker 1: good things will happen. They have a great connection. I'll
Speaker 1: give you the thirteen for one fifty two, eighteen targets
Speaker 1: and two touchdowns. Everything works out in that building for them,
Speaker 1: these close games always does. Can't you be happy for them?
Speaker 1: I am okay, oh, I sense a little bit of
Speaker 1: little I am a little bit. I am a little
Speaker 1: bit annoyed in the sense that any franchise that it
Speaker 1: seems like it always works out. But then you think,
Speaker 1: all right, shut up, Dan, and like Mina Kinds, for instance,
Speaker 1: listening should be like what about super Bowl forty nine?
Speaker 1: That should count as like a thousand failures in your building.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's even Stephen that that doesn't remind me.
Speaker 1: At the end of this game, they're like, oh see,
Speaker 1: Dan was like, are going to get a call here?
Speaker 1: They always do? They do. They like a guy who's
Speaker 1: throwing the ball downfield and getting past interference calls, because
Speaker 1: that's what they do with you. I'm on Seahawks corner
Speaker 1: because you were. You had them penciled in at seven
Speaker 1: and nine. Uh and laid gus and I said, no,
Speaker 1: they're gonna figure out a way, just like they always aren't.
Speaker 1: Here they are seven and two. That's amazing. If they
Speaker 1: throw the ball forty times the game, it sure is amazing.
Speaker 1: If they throw the ball forty times the game and
Speaker 1: embrace that, then I'm back, Well, let's cross our fingers
Speaker 1: keep doing it. I'm sure that's how they're gonna game
Speaker 1: plan from here on out. How do we lure Greig
Speaker 1: back into our fan fold? Finally, all right, let's move
Speaker 1: on out of the shotgun. On first down, face the
Speaker 1: hand off to Burkehead throws the edlement of the line,
Speaker 1: slipped one tackler but won't get far, bubbles the ball
Speaker 1: recover by the Ravens. Marlon Humphrey, How's it and he's
Speaker 1: streaking down the sidelines. He should look funny. Ten five
Speaker 1: touchdown the Ravens. Marlon and Humphrey. Mr Instant score strikes again,
Speaker 1: Mr Instant score. That might stick. Jerry Sandusky w b
Speaker 1: A L with the call. Yes, Marlon Humphrey becomes the
Speaker 1: first raven And team history to score touchdowns on bubble
Speaker 1: recoveries and back to back weeks. This one changed the
Speaker 1: game at Sunday Night Football, Um, the Ravens get some
Speaker 1: much needed breathing room go on to win thirty seven
Speaker 1: to twenty over the New England Patriots, who fall for
Speaker 1: the first time this season. They're eight and one. The Ravens, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: moved to six and two. They have a stranglehold over
Speaker 1: the a f C North And yes, you talk about
Speaker 1: the top of the a f C UM. They know
Speaker 1: the tiebreaker on the Pats when you look at seeds
Speaker 1: and buys and all that good stuff. So that's what
Speaker 1: happened on Sunday night. Lamar Jackson again, Mark does his thing.
Speaker 1: He has a touchdown run, he has sixty more yards rushing,
Speaker 1: two more scores on the ground. He's just a different
Speaker 1: player than anybody else. If I want to view. This
Speaker 1: is a Ravens fan different than other instances of New
Speaker 1: England dropping a game in the regular season, people typically
Speaker 1: overreacting before New England and furls eight straight wins and
Speaker 1: then detonates said team in the playoffs the second time around.
Speaker 1: It's that Baltimore one in the ways that they've won
Speaker 1: other games. Thirty seven plus minutes of time of possession,
Speaker 1: two hundred plus yards on the ground, Lamar Jackson doing
Speaker 1: things that no one can stop as he's roaming through
Speaker 1: cowd Patriots defenders, making all of us our jaws drop
Speaker 1: as we watch him run with the ball. I mean,
Speaker 1: they didn't have to become something other than what they've
Speaker 1: been all year, and they completely overpowered and streaks of
Speaker 1: dominant play tonight. That's very encouraging. I think they're the
Speaker 1: hardest team in the NFL to prepare for, especially when
Speaker 1: they are at full strength, which they are with Hollywood
Speaker 1: Brown on the field, and there's no way you can
Speaker 1: come up with a defense that defends what Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: did on that on that run where they had him cornered.
Speaker 1: As West said at the time, he Lamar makes his
Speaker 1: own space. But ultimately there's a spot in every game
Speaker 1: where you just gotta make a great throw. And it's
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty in this game, the Patriots had
Speaker 1: just scored. Uh, they had just moved the ball up
Speaker 1: and down the field. Start the third quarter, it's third down.
Speaker 1: Dan Hansis says before a third and five. I believe
Speaker 1: this this play decides the game. Yeah, I felt a
Speaker 1: little early with seven minutes left in the third quarter.
Speaker 1: But you know what Lamar does. He drops a pass
Speaker 1: over the defense into the bucket against Mark Andrews. Not
Speaker 1: an easy pass to complete. He has a great drive.
Speaker 1: They score touch on You're kind of right, well. They
Speaker 1: the Patriots, after falling behind early, got back into the game.
Speaker 1: Then they take the ball at the half, they start
Speaker 1: marching down the field again and it feels like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're going about today control this game. The Marlon Huff
Speaker 1: returnover happens, but then the Pats go straight down the
Speaker 1: field again, and everyone's remarking on social media how gas
Speaker 1: the Ravens defense is. And then the Ravens are facing
Speaker 1: that third down, facing a potential third and three and
Speaker 1: out that would send that defense back on the field,
Speaker 1: and instead he converts it, turns it into a four
Speaker 1: teen play, eighty something yard drive in the touchdown. Uh
Speaker 1: and at that point the Ravens were control of the game.
Speaker 1: And and John Harbaugh went for fourth and four on
Speaker 1: that drive instead of letting Justin kicker Justin Tucker kick
Speaker 1: you know what, it would have been a fifty yard
Speaker 1: plus And that showed some moneions. That showed an awareness
Speaker 1: of what type of game it was. In the quarterback.
Speaker 1: We're in a lot of faith in Lamar and the
Speaker 1: faith in the numbers as opposed to the Patriots who
Speaker 1: didn't go for it on fourth in goal, you know,
Speaker 1: because I think Bill Belichick was hoping that it was
Speaker 1: going to turn into a lower score game and that
Speaker 1: wasn't in the cards. It's hard to resist being hyperbolic
Speaker 1: about this game. The Ravens scored half the points that
Speaker 1: the Patriots have allowed on defense this year, or half
Speaker 1: the touchdowns and thirty eight percent of the points the
Speaker 1: Patriots have allowed all year on defense. You look at
Speaker 1: this game and you think Lamar Jackson's MVP candidate. It's
Speaker 1: another reminder that even though John Horriball's job was whispered
Speaker 1: about a couple of years ago, one of the top
Speaker 1: five coaches in the NFL. Greg Roman, maybe a head
Speaker 1: coach candidate that Lamar Jackson landed with the exact right franchise,
Speaker 1: willing to embrace analytics and put their whole offseason program
Speaker 1: around building the offense to suit Lamar Jackson's unique skills.
Speaker 1: This looks like a Super Bowl contender. They they are,
Speaker 1: and I think this has been a day in the
Speaker 1: a f C where that the talk that I never
Speaker 1: believed in that the Patriots are so far ahead of
Speaker 1: the pack um looks different because the Chiefs they would
Speaker 1: get a big win without Mahomes and Texans get a
Speaker 1: win at least maybe they're in the mix and the
Speaker 1: Ravens are in the now. That said, I also don't
Speaker 1: think it's that big of a loss for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: I think losses happened, that they're a growing team that
Speaker 1: they need to be better on offense. I think at
Speaker 1: times tonight they showed some things on offense that look
Speaker 1: pretty good. Mohammed Sandho is gonna be a big addition
Speaker 1: for them. They it's a matchup game where they do
Speaker 1: not match up well with the Ravens speed. They'll if
Speaker 1: they see them again in the playoffs, they'll have seen
Speaker 1: it once. Maybe that helps them or not. Maybe they
Speaker 1: don't play the Ravens, But I just think there are
Speaker 1: other good teams in the a f C. They would
Speaker 1: have had a three game lead on the entire a
Speaker 1: f C had they won this game. I mean, we
Speaker 1: can talk about these teams knocking off New England in
Speaker 1: the regular season, but how many times has New England
Speaker 1: been been beaten twice by the same team in one year.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I that's where that's where I it's nice,
Speaker 1: but someone going and doing it to the Patriots in
Speaker 1: January a second time. That's the challenge. And I warn
Speaker 1: anyone out there that you're gonna listen to some sports
Speaker 1: talk shows in the morning and first take type things
Speaker 1: that are gonna say that the Patriots have been exposed,
Speaker 1: that the Patriots finally played a team that was worth
Speaker 1: a damn and got their asses whipped. Well, you know what,
Speaker 1: calmed down with that, because this is a bump in
Speaker 1: the road. And I'm and what's been a pretty dreadful
Speaker 1: season for people like me that either route for a
Speaker 1: bad team or root against the Patriots or both. Uh,
Speaker 1: this was a nice moment, but I am not here.
Speaker 1: They're not sixty. Now you said this, and he said,
Speaker 1: I was putting her reverse jinks on them. I really
Speaker 1: thought that it's a tough It's a tough to pick
Speaker 1: the Ravens. It's the first time in the history of
Speaker 1: podcast you picked against the Patriots. They they have a
Speaker 1: really tough schedule over the next five weeks. They go
Speaker 1: to Philadelphia after they're by. I think this is a
Speaker 1: perfectly time to buy. They need to get Isaiah Win
Speaker 1: back their left tackle eventually. Uh well, I mean you
Speaker 1: have to have a by eventually. But also I like
Speaker 1: going into the by with a loss. I think Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick does. Like at Eagles versus Cowboys, at Texans versus Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I think those are five of the best teams, most
Speaker 1: talented teams that they could face. I think if they
Speaker 1: go four and two in that stretch, they already have
Speaker 1: a loss, they're gonna get the one seed. If they
Speaker 1: go three and three in that stretch stretch, they still
Speaker 1: might get the one seed. They're still in very good
Speaker 1: shape to to round, you know, into getting home field.
Speaker 1: I personally prefer to go into the buy on a win.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this defense isn't the eight five Bears. I
Speaker 1: think we sold that they got run on by the
Speaker 1: Browns last week, they got run on by the Ravens
Speaker 1: this week. Just don't count them out. They could go
Speaker 1: on another dominant stretch at any time. Alright, any final
Speaker 1: thoughts on this game? Poor Mark, he couldn't even enjoy,
Speaker 1: like I couldn't even enjoy a Patriots loss, because then
Speaker 1: he realized, oh great, the Ravens are gonna win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Like, well, I've already been to one live
Speaker 1: experience of watching Baltimore win the Super Bowl. I mean,
Speaker 1: beating your wife's favorite team right one is enough. But
Speaker 1: it's going to be too because that's how the NFL
Speaker 1: fortune seemed to work in the favor for some of
Speaker 1: us are not in the favor. UM, thank you everyone
Speaker 1: for listening. We'll be back on Tuesday with our next show, UH,
Speaker 1: where we'll break down the final game of week nine,
Speaker 1: Monday night football matchup that pits the Dallas Cowboys and
Speaker 1: the New York Giants. UH and then UH also Thursday,
Speaker 1: and you know what happens Thursday, we preview week ten.
Speaker 1: That's the wheel goes round and round. So thank you
Speaker 1: everybody for both listening watching. You guys are the best. UM,
Speaker 1: let's get out of here. Dan Hands is signing off
Speaker 1: for Quiet Storm, The Mailman, the old Boss, Ricky Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Mattie can't filling in. Everybody doing their share till Thursday