WEBVTT - Littering: Not Cool

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Chuck and Jerry's here, and this is stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you should know that you already headed right towards something

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<v Speaker 1>brilliant that it's all you stop yourself. I yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have anything, so I just just let it die

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<v Speaker 1>right there on the still in front of everybody. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>before we get going, we want to plug a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of podcasts from our colleagues. I had a hand in

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<v Speaker 1>both of these. Nice congrats. Sure, I think it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>the last thing I'll have a hand in. Ever. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is that? Are you dying? No, I mean we're all dying. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing imminent, but I don't know. The door, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't often knock for voice acting, although you never can tell,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did a piece of voice acting for Lethal

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<v Speaker 1>Lit season two premiere. And if you if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what Lethal Lit is, it is, Uh, technically it's

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<v Speaker 1>called Lethal Lit colin a tig Tours Mystery season two

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<v Speaker 1>and it just debuted yesterday. Season two did, But it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great. It's like a sort of an old school

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Drew Detective Team detective type of thing, but modernized,

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<v Speaker 1>got a little more punch, but you know, it's still

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<v Speaker 1>family friendly. A little more punch of seen, a little

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<v Speaker 1>more bite with the emphasis, Um, it's really great. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So it is, like it's the kind of thing from

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<v Speaker 1>what I understand that like adults can enjoy, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's also geared towards like younger listeners to right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they say it's like Nancy Drew for scream fans. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But the people who make it are awesome. And Heather

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<v Speaker 1>iron Horn created it a couple of years ago when

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<v Speaker 1>I was still doing like development stuff. I met with

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<v Speaker 1>her and she rang me up a couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>later and said, hey, how about doing a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>voice acting for the season premiere season two? And I did,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was so much fun. I got to like

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<v Speaker 1>really get a juicy character acting type of things. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to hear it. Chuck, I'm not just playing me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. Even when you played you, I thought you

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<v Speaker 1>did a good job. You're a much better actor than

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<v Speaker 1>you give yourself credit for. This was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Though I wish I could do more of this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff, but I just I don't like pursue it.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, it was a lot of fun. So you

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<v Speaker 1>can hear me in season episode one of season two,

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<v Speaker 1>which is out now on the I Heart Network. And

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<v Speaker 1>then our buddy Joe Randazzo has a new show that's out.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't didn't he tell him the name? Uh? Dr sex Reese.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not family friendly. No, you could have just

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<v Speaker 1>said Joe Randazzo and that that would have gotten that across.

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<v Speaker 1>Not family family guy. He is one of the great

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<v Speaker 1>comedic geniuses of our time, but he's not family friendly. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's a blue comedy. It's very, very funny,

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't want your kids listening. But it is

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<v Speaker 1>about a Colin show is a sex therapist who has

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<v Speaker 1>never had intercourse. And that's kind of all you need

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<v Speaker 1>to say. And it's Joe, so yeah, it's great. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you had me at Joe Randazzo, so yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's out now too, right, Uh, it's already out. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I ever mentioned in lieu of listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>One week, I was going to mention it, but I forgot.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember when I said I wasn't very into Calvin and

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<v Speaker 1>Calvin and Hobbs like I never read it. He He

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<v Speaker 1>left me a voicemail driving with his three children where

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<v Speaker 1>they sounded like a fire torch wielding angry mob screaming

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<v Speaker 1>at me about not getting into Calvin and Hobbs. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna cheer it with you. It's very funny, like his

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<v Speaker 1>kids sound like. It's like Lord of the Flies level upset.

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<v Speaker 1>It's awesome. His kids are chuck. It's really funny. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Sex Race is already out. Uh and then Lethal

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<v Speaker 1>It It it Tick towards Mystery. Season two dropped yesterday. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>congratulations to everybody. Congratulations I think most of all to

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<v Speaker 1>you though for appearing on Lethal Lit. It was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I could voice act a lot. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a feeling you're gonna get a lot more requests starting now.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see people be like, who was who was that guy?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to reveal anything about it, but okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a very small part on squid Billies a

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<v Speaker 1>few years ago. It was never released with me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like our kiss of death. When you have us

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<v Speaker 1>on your talk show, it gets canceled. It within a month. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't canceled. It was I think I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think our friend Dave willis replace me. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I was very good and that one, at least he

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<v Speaker 1>did it quietly. I never followed up with him. I

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<v Speaker 1>should have asked, but I was ready to go in

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<v Speaker 1>there and do some good like redneck voice, because I

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<v Speaker 1>do some good ones. And he said, he's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>just once, You're just gonna be you. And I went, oh, Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>you just gave me a soda pop and sent me

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<v Speaker 1>on my way. Oh you got a free soda pop. Fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We love Dave and Squidbillizo so no, no shade there. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so welcome to the podcast for everybody. Just fast forwarded

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<v Speaker 1>through all that and got to the market where we

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<v Speaker 1>started about littering. How about that? Yeah, And this one

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<v Speaker 1>was one of my picks, and I very simply thought

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<v Speaker 1>of it recently because I was driving down the road

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<v Speaker 1>and two and saw a fully grown adult human throw

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<v Speaker 1>a bag of trash out their window, followed by a

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<v Speaker 1>cup of fast food soda filled with dip spit, so

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<v Speaker 1>two different throws out of the car, and I just thought,

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<v Speaker 1>my god, who does that? And uh, let's let's see

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<v Speaker 1>if we can find out. And you ran them off

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<v Speaker 1>the road. No, I was just so upset though. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just so weird to see. I'm really really working on

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<v Speaker 1>letting things trigger or flood me in starting in year finally.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, I'm very curious how how well I would

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<v Speaker 1>deal with actually seeing that, Like I'm doing okay hearing

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<v Speaker 1>about it right now, Like I'm a little jazzed right now,

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<v Speaker 1>but I got it under control. Actually seeing it, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how well I could contain myself. I was

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<v Speaker 1>ticked off, but it's um, I try to let things

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<v Speaker 1>go quicker, so it's not like hours later, I was

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<v Speaker 1>still like, Ah, that guy. That's good. You know that's good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's because you know what. You can't change that guy. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. You can just run him off the road. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or find them if you're a government sure. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you had tried to find him, he probably would

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<v Speaker 1>have laughed in your face. Although I'm saying he it's

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<v Speaker 1>just as possible. It turns out, Chuck, at least if

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<v Speaker 1>this had happened in two thousand nine, that it could

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<v Speaker 1>have been she too. Huh. Yes, statistically speaking, that is true.

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<v Speaker 1>But I saw this guy's ugly face. I'll bet he

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<v Speaker 1>was so ugly and stupid. I bet his whole family

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<v Speaker 1>was so stupid. Yeah, I've been so mad if he

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<v Speaker 1>was handsome, handsome, smart people don't litter typically unless they're

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<v Speaker 1>Don Draper. All right, let's do this litter right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a good pick. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that I love about this episode is it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of mind bending. Um. One of those bern Asian surprises

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<v Speaker 1>is firmed wedged firmly inside this episode's topic. M M,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you think I'm sure? I know what you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh sure, I do. Okay. I was like, oh god,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like four pages of this stuff. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you may I just I forgot who Bernese was. I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about the sauce. You're like, it sounds good

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<v Speaker 1>but confusing. Uh should we start with the word yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's I thought that was a good place to also

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to Dave Ruse for helping us out with

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<v Speaker 1>us as always as ever, so, the word litter with

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<v Speaker 1>one T came from old friend to Middle English meant

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<v Speaker 1>a bed with two teas. It was like a portable

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<v Speaker 1>bed that if you were like a king or somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>you could travel around on one of these and I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that's where a rescue litter comes from. Okay, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>because I've always thought that was such a weird word

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<v Speaker 1>for it. It is very weird. It doesn't really make

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<v Speaker 1>any sense. But the use of the word bed for

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<v Speaker 1>litter makes much more sense because it comes from our

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<v Speaker 1>friends down on the farm. Yeah, our farm, our farmer friends.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean you're talking about scattering hey. Yeah, Like if

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<v Speaker 1>you if you scatter hey for an animal to sleep on,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly like livestock or something like that, you would call

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<v Speaker 1>that their litter. And there you have it. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>it comes from, Like littering food out of your car,

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<v Speaker 1>derived initially from being a kind farmer and scattering hey

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<v Speaker 1>for your little goats. Yeah. Because along the way, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>equated like scattering stuff on the ground that you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>normally want on the ground with people throwing their trash

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground, and so litter became used as litter.

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<v Speaker 1>What surprised me is that, um that this started way

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<v Speaker 1>back in the eighteenth century. I would have thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was a much more recent phenomenon, but no, it isn't. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Day found a uh something from a novel in reference

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<v Speaker 1>to the word litter as litter. If she is cutting

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of gauze or paper, she's sure to make

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<v Speaker 1>a litter all over the room. Yeah, it's like a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a literary reference to litter, so that's where

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<v Speaker 1>the word later came from. And I'd love one. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love I like the stories of the etymologies where there's

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<v Speaker 1>some really great theories because nobody quite knows, but I

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<v Speaker 1>find those less satisfying than the ones where it's like

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<v Speaker 1>here it is, here's your answer, fish Bolb. Yeah. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>littering was not as big of a deal here in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, and I imagine in other parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the world, but we're talking mainly about the US with

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<v Speaker 1>these sta uts, but until the fifties and sixties, because

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<v Speaker 1>we were generally a culture of reusing things and there

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<v Speaker 1>were not nearly as many disposable things. Uh, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of glass and you know, Emily talks about her grandparents

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<v Speaker 1>in Middle Ohio in the nineteen forties and fifties and

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<v Speaker 1>they re used a lot of stuff. And it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like because of a green movement. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just like people reuse stuff. Things cost money, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't like wealthy, you reuse things. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that was even if you were wealthy, you typically reuse things.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you got milk, you would leave your empty

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<v Speaker 1>milk bottles out and the milkman would come along and

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<v Speaker 1>replace the empty bottles with filled up bottles, and it

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<v Speaker 1>would take those other bottles, clean them and reuse them.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that was just how you got milk. Whether you

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<v Speaker 1>were wealthy or poverty stricken didn't matter, And that was

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<v Speaker 1>just the way that society was up until the post

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<v Speaker 1>World War two economic boom, where um, thanks to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of technology that we developed during the war, all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, we had packaging that we could produce

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<v Speaker 1>really cheaply and really efficiently, and no way to make

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of money off of them off of it

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<v Speaker 1>until some enterprising I guess beverage companies and and um

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<v Speaker 1>disposable packaging companies got together and said, we've got to

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<v Speaker 1>figure this out, because there's a lot of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money being lost by this deeply inefficient reuse economy

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<v Speaker 1>that we've got. Yeah, and I know I've mentioned this

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<v Speaker 1>once before, but I'm just fifty years old, and I

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<v Speaker 1>actually I mean, we could get milk in the store,

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<v Speaker 1>but we also occasionally would go to a dairy nearby

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<v Speaker 1>and bring milk bottles. It wasn't in the milkman coming

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<v Speaker 1>to your house, but we would go to a dairy

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<v Speaker 1>and pull up and get our milk exchanged. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>the other relic from the seventies that you probably remember too,

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, younger listeners might be shocked to here

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<v Speaker 1>is the Charles chips. Dude, Oh that we got canister chips. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We You would get potato chips Charles Chips delivered and

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<v Speaker 1>you would give them your big you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a big metal tin full of potato chips. And it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like, oh it was a tin with a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of bags of little chips. No, it was full of

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<v Speaker 1>potato chips and you would get your potato chips delivery.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy to think about. We we never had that.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the Schwann's delivery person. And then prior to

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to bottle water, it meant that somebody

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<v Speaker 1>showed up at your house with like a five or

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<v Speaker 1>ten gallon jug of water and you had a little

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<v Speaker 1>water dispenser that was bottled water before and those were

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<v Speaker 1>all reusable. Yeah, we'll probably speak ill of single use

0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.439
<v Speaker 1>of plastic bottles of water. Well, I think you should.

0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I think anybody, any sensible person sees the disposable packaging

0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.320
<v Speaker 1>that that um really kind of drives a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>our our economy and a lot of the products that

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<v Speaker 1>we buy as really problematic. And litters just one aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of it, but it's a pretty big aspect of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think what we're saying here in total to

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<v Speaker 1>begin is that litters actually a fairly recent phenomenon, starting

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<v Speaker 1>in maybe the fifties, the nineteen fifties. Yeah. And Dave

0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.080
<v Speaker 1>also points out that not only were we reusing things

0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:23.319
<v Speaker 1>and just not having as many disposable items, but there

0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.800
<v Speaker 1>weren't trash cans all over the place back then either

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<v Speaker 1>like there are now. And there weren't signs that say, hey,

0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's weird to throw stuff just on the

0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.680
<v Speaker 1>ground when you leave. Uh. And he he did reference

0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:40.120
<v Speaker 1>a Madman episode, which is very funny. I remember when

0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.600
<v Speaker 1>it happened. The drapers are on a picnic, and they

0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.480
<v Speaker 1>got up afterward and done through his spear bottle in

0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:49.200
<v Speaker 1>the woods, and Betty shook the litter off the blanket

0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.000
<v Speaker 1>onto the grass in the park and then they got

0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.440
<v Speaker 1>in their car it's hysterical and just leave it there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The one that always gets me is the anchorman thing

0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:58.880
<v Speaker 1>where they're all eating McDonald's and walking and they just

0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.720
<v Speaker 1>all throw their track. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was

0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.160
<v Speaker 1>there was a time when that was. I don't know

0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.560
<v Speaker 1>if it was ever acceptable, but it was certainly not

0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.400
<v Speaker 1>like it is now. As far as you know, you

0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.600
<v Speaker 1>were like shunned, not frowned upon. But it didn't take

0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.199
<v Speaker 1>very long for people to say, like this is this

0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.320
<v Speaker 1>is objectively ugly, like even if you you were not

0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.560
<v Speaker 1>taking the environment into account, which they certainly weren't at first,

0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.880
<v Speaker 1>but in like the fifties and sixties, there were still

0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.640
<v Speaker 1>people that were like it, this looks terrible. And they

0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.080
<v Speaker 1>were even like farmers apparently in Vermont were complaining that

0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.480
<v Speaker 1>people are just throwing their glass bottles out the out

0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.680
<v Speaker 1>the window. Because, by the way, even though you could

0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:40.320
<v Speaker 1>still reuse some of the stuff, the the companies producing

0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:44.960
<v Speaker 1>these um these um goods that were in like disposable packaging,

0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.880
<v Speaker 1>they were they were encouraging people to just throw this away.

0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Like there were there was um oh, what's the name

0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:57.000
<v Speaker 1>of that podcast or that MPR show through Line. They

0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.720
<v Speaker 1>did a really great episode on on what we're talking

0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:04.040
<v Speaker 1>about here, the development of teaching people to throw stuff away.

0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.080
<v Speaker 1>There were actual like ads and commercials and p s.

0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.120
<v Speaker 1>A s that taught people like, Okay, when you're done

0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.120
<v Speaker 1>with this, just throw it away. You don't have to

0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.240
<v Speaker 1>figure out a way to reuse it or wash it out,

0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.880
<v Speaker 1>or you can just throw it away. And like people

0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.200
<v Speaker 1>had to be taught that, which kind of goes to

0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.080
<v Speaker 1>show how unnatural the whole thing is. But but my

0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.960
<v Speaker 1>point is that even at the time, chuck um, there

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<v Speaker 1>were people who had problems with littering from the outset,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it wasn't like a massive thing at that point,

0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:39.760
<v Speaker 1>like a society wide issue. Yeah, and God bless Vermonters. Uh.

0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.040
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned the farmers there with a broken glass for

0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:46.160
<v Speaker 1>their cows. But they sponsored and got past the first

0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.520
<v Speaker 1>what would be known as bottle bills. Uh when in

0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:55.200
<v Speaker 1>three they banned throwaway bottles. And this is where you

0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.000
<v Speaker 1>know the writing was on the wall for the beverage

0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:02.040
<v Speaker 1>industry in particular, was like, oh, you know, Vermont, they're

0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.880
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of hippies. Sure, but we can't let this

0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:09.240
<v Speaker 1>catch on and get our product band, we'll be in

0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.920
<v Speaker 1>big trouble, and I guess we'll take a break maybe

0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.720
<v Speaker 1>because that's a great cliffhanger and dive into our barn

0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Asian nightmare. Right, let's do it, all right, we'll be

0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.880
<v Speaker 1>right back. Well, now we're on the road, driving in

0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.840
<v Speaker 1>your truck. Want to learn a thing or two from

0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Josh Damp Chuck gets stuff you should know. All right,

0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.680
<v Speaker 1>So we were entering that barn Asian nightmare. Now, Chuck,

0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:59.120
<v Speaker 1>it's like a giant Goya painting of corporate interests. This

0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.560
<v Speaker 1>one's tricky because it is a Bernasian nightmare and we're

0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:08.000
<v Speaker 1>talking about the creation of Keep America Beautiful. Uh, but

0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.320
<v Speaker 1>it it all like I have very mixed feelings because

0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:15.240
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing with Keep America Beautiful is is a

0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:19.879
<v Speaker 1>lot of big beverage companies got together, Dixie Cup, Coca Cola, Owens,

0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Illinois Glass Company, American Can Company, and they said, all right,

0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:28.000
<v Speaker 1>we gotta fight these bottle bills. Um. And the way

0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.520
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do it is through a pr spin to

0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:36.040
<v Speaker 1>tell everybody that it's their responsibility to not litter. And

0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.000
<v Speaker 1>in a way it's sort of an evil plan, but

0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.520
<v Speaker 1>in another way, I'm like, yeah, you should be individually

0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.920
<v Speaker 1>responsible to not do that. But then also beverage companies

0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.879
<v Speaker 1>also have a responsibility that they completely shirt, So I

0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.840
<v Speaker 1>get it. But I also think people have a personal responsibility,

0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.960
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I I think that's a

0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.000
<v Speaker 1>very sensible way of looking at it, because I agree

0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:04.720
<v Speaker 1>with it fully, Like, yes, Like, there's nothing wrong with

0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.480
<v Speaker 1>them coming up with keep America beautiful and teaching people

0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.199
<v Speaker 1>to not litter, and then in conjunction with that, actually

0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.320
<v Speaker 1>putting those garbage cans out and putting you know, creating

0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.640
<v Speaker 1>like a public service campaign that taught people like, don't

0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.280
<v Speaker 1>be a litter bug. If you if you litter, your unpatriotic.

0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.199
<v Speaker 1>They basically used every angle they could think of. The

0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.480
<v Speaker 1>problem with it that everybody has an issue with. Once

0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.200
<v Speaker 1>you find out about this is that it was the motivation,

0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:35.280
<v Speaker 1>the intent behind it. It wasn't too to beautify America.

0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.399
<v Speaker 1>It was to keep the train, this disposable packaging train

0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.560
<v Speaker 1>going right, Like, hey, everybody stopped throwing the stuff on

0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the ground or else we're not going to be able

0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.280
<v Speaker 1>to make this anymore. But even more than that, they

0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.760
<v Speaker 1>took the they took the spotlight off of the question

0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.320
<v Speaker 1>why is there so much disposable packaging to begin with?

0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Why don't we go back to reusable stuff that was working.

0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.560
<v Speaker 1>And these companies are like, no, no, no, we we

0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.480
<v Speaker 1>are make fifty times more money with this disposable stuff

0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:06.679
<v Speaker 1>because you guys are buying way more and then um,

0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.479
<v Speaker 1>and then it put the spotlight onto the individual person.

0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.840
<v Speaker 1>It said, it's your responsibility stop asking about disposable packaging

0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and just start focusing on your civic duty to not wither. Yeah,

0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.280
<v Speaker 1>and you sent me an article that had an interesting

0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.840
<v Speaker 1>bit that and we'll cover some more stuff in this

0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.000
<v Speaker 1>time period. But by the early seventies, some more of

0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.520
<v Speaker 1>these bottle bills, Uh, we're happening. And they weren't so

0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.359
<v Speaker 1>much banning things, but it was like, hey, let's incentivize

0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.000
<v Speaker 1>people to come back and turn in their knee high

0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.280
<v Speaker 1>grade bottle for five cents, which also remember doing when

0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I was a kid. Uh. And in nineteen seventy four,

0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:47.440
<v Speaker 1>California was considering a bottle bill, and Keep America Beautiful

0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.720
<v Speaker 1>was like, whoa, this is big time because that's a

0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:55.040
<v Speaker 1>huge economy out there. And they actually publicly opposed the

0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:58.159
<v Speaker 1>measure for the first time, and there was a leaked

0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:02.440
<v Speaker 1>story about the chairman the American can Company, William F. May,

0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:07.560
<v Speaker 1>called bottle bill supporters communists, And this is when the

0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.200
<v Speaker 1>e p A pulled out and a bunch of environmental

0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:14.320
<v Speaker 1>groups pulled out of Keep America Beautiful. And we're like, oh,

0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.560
<v Speaker 1>that's like the light was kind of shining on them

0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.280
<v Speaker 1>for the first time. Yeah, that that like, oh, these

0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:25.159
<v Speaker 1>guys aren't really you know, environmentally conscious. There's this is

0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.680
<v Speaker 1>strictly greenwashing for them. It was the first greenwashing attempt

0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.560
<v Speaker 1>and it was super successful too. Yeah. They spent fourteen

0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.640
<v Speaker 1>million dollars over a five year span in the early

0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:39.560
<v Speaker 1>nineties to defeat a national bottle bill. So Keep America

0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Beautiful does some great work, but it's you know, you

0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:44.399
<v Speaker 1>gotta know what goes on behind this stuff. You know.

0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.320
<v Speaker 1>That's absolutely true. And that's good that they are doing

0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:51.639
<v Speaker 1>good work because they are basically the sole source for

0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:57.040
<v Speaker 1>data about littering in America at very least, they're the

0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:01.160
<v Speaker 1>most robust source. But as Dave puts it, um it's

0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:06.240
<v Speaker 1>bankrolled by corporate interests. But the people conducting these these

0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:10.520
<v Speaker 1>um these studies are actually like environmental engineers and their

0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:15.480
<v Speaker 1>disinterested bodies insofar as you know, they're still scientists although

0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.080
<v Speaker 1>they're being paid, like they're not cooking the books. No,

0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.399
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I mean like yeah, it's it's a

0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:25.159
<v Speaker 1>very like I'm just writhing right here. I can't. I

0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:27.280
<v Speaker 1>just want this to be clear, like should I hate

0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:30.800
<v Speaker 1>keep America beautiful or not? But um, but but I

0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:35.480
<v Speaker 1>don't because they are They have had a huge effect

0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:39.080
<v Speaker 1>on littering, demonstrably a big effect on on reducing littering

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:42.560
<v Speaker 1>and teaching people not to litter. It's just again for

0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.840
<v Speaker 1>their bottom lines, that's the problem. And they are still

0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.480
<v Speaker 1>the number one largest anti litter organization on planet Earth.

0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:52.919
<v Speaker 1>So there's something to be said for that. Uh. And

0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.000
<v Speaker 1>they've had many ways to get their message out there

0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:58.919
<v Speaker 1>over the years. I think their first little mascot was

0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Susan Spotless, who talked about who shamed litter bugs early on? Uh.

0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.560
<v Speaker 1>And then you know, we don't remember what episode, but

0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.000
<v Speaker 1>very on and stuff early on and stuff. You should

0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.000
<v Speaker 1>know we talked about the what it was known at

0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.720
<v Speaker 1>the time, the crying Indian p s A. Do you

0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:22.960
<v Speaker 1>remember why we would have talked about that? M I don't.

0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Years ago, I cannot, I have no idea why that

0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:28.560
<v Speaker 1>would have come up? Well, what was the deal with that?

0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.479
<v Speaker 1>It was sort of fake on many fronts, right, it was.

0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean one of the big things was that Ironized Cody,

0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:38.240
<v Speaker 1>who was known for a while as America's favorite Indian,

0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:41.360
<v Speaker 1>was not Native American by any way, shape or form.

0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:48.120
<v Speaker 1>He was actually a Sicilian American um actor. Oh, that's

0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:50.760
<v Speaker 1>a big one that people definitely at the time didn't

0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:54.080
<v Speaker 1>know um. And that was problematic not just because this

0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:59.680
<v Speaker 1>guy was Sicilian um, but that also the Native American

0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:02.359
<v Speaker 1>that is being used in this ad, the very image

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:06.560
<v Speaker 1>of the Native American was was just totally co opted

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:11.120
<v Speaker 1>by this corporate group to again shame you into not

0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.080
<v Speaker 1>littering too, for you to feel bad, not them to

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 1>feel bad, for you to feel bad for littering. Um.

0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.000
<v Speaker 1>And it it also the the other thing that I

0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:20.960
<v Speaker 1>saw that was a big critique of is that if

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:25.240
<v Speaker 1>you'll notice, like the Native American Ironized Cody um or

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:29.480
<v Speaker 1>the character doesn't speak, he's spoken for by a narrator

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.920
<v Speaker 1>um and so he's he stands mute, which I saw

0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:37.200
<v Speaker 1>as a testament to his powerlessness. Yeah, I mean, if

0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:38.720
<v Speaker 1>you don't know what we mean that you can find

0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:42.359
<v Speaker 1>it on YouTube. Still, it was a minute long commercial

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:46.119
<v Speaker 1>where it showed this Native American in full you know,

0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:50.439
<v Speaker 1>sort of traditional garb paddling a traditional Native American canoe

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:53.600
<v Speaker 1>through what looked like the Kyoga River in Ohio. I

0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:55.720
<v Speaker 1>know it wasn't there, but it couldn't have been any

0:23:55.720 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 1>more industrial with this sort of we're chant kind of

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:04.480
<v Speaker 1>music playing in the background. It was kind of wrong

0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:07.119
<v Speaker 1>in many levels, you know, through today's lens. But you know,

0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:10.639
<v Speaker 1>he's getting more sad as he sees how poorly the

0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 1>water is treated in the shore line. And then he

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:19.159
<v Speaker 1>finally gets out and a bag of fast food is

0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:22.440
<v Speaker 1>tossed from a car and explodes at his feet with

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:26.000
<v Speaker 1>seemingly an entire order for like a family of five

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 1>a fast food. It's so much food, it's like did

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.840
<v Speaker 1>theyn't eat anything out of that back? And then in

0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:35.160
<v Speaker 1>a single tier once you see his face, Yeah, they

0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:37.640
<v Speaker 1>pan up and and his face is there and it's

0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 1>he's crying, which may have been faked as well, right, Yeah,

0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:45.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it was a glycerin concoction. Yeah, so um, yeah,

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:49.919
<v Speaker 1>what's what's not great under today's in today's view was

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:53.480
<v Speaker 1>like award winning and groundbreaking back in nine when the

0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:55.239
<v Speaker 1>ad came out and it had an effect. It had

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:59.879
<v Speaker 1>a huge effect. The the AGG Council, who I helped

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 1>reduced that p s A apparently had to send out

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.600
<v Speaker 1>replacement reels because the original ones were getting worn out

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:08.919
<v Speaker 1>because they're being played so often. As the long standing

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 1>anecdote goes, but if you're yeah, yeah, I can't remember

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:16.440
<v Speaker 1>the last time I saw it, but I definitely saw

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 1>it on TV at some point, as you know, a

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 1>cognizant person, you know, right, And so it was created

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.560
<v Speaker 1>in seventy one, and it was I remember seeing it

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:29.840
<v Speaker 1>throughout the nineteen seventies. So if and if you're like,

0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:32.600
<v Speaker 1>was it really effective, stop and ask yourself if you

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 1>feel guilty at the thought of littering or at the

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>act of littering itself, And if your answers yes, it's

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 1>because the Keep America Beautiful group did a really good

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:48.119
<v Speaker 1>job putting the personal responsibility of not littering onto us. Yeah,

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.920
<v Speaker 1>which again it does make sense that like, uh, it's

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:53.639
<v Speaker 1>just a shame it couldn't have been sort of a

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 1>hand in hand type of approach, right. The Park Service

0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>also got into it too. Chuck with um Woodsy the Owl.

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 1>Did you see that that that clip I sent you

0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>the ad? Yeah? I used to love Woodsy. Sure, how

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:07.919
<v Speaker 1>could you not give a hoot? Don't pollut? Yeah, I

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:11.680
<v Speaker 1>got a wood see sign at my camp. Oh that's cute. Yeah.

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:14.639
<v Speaker 1>I like the seventies version. Have you seen the updated version?

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. He's kind of buff. He looks

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:20.879
<v Speaker 1>like he could beat you up. He's almost like buff

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 1>in the way that Ned Flanders is buff, like a

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 1>wholesome buffness, that strangely menacing, weird a buff owl. Yeah, yeah, great,

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 1>great point. The other thing that keep America Beautiful was

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:38.160
<v Speaker 1>successful at was lobbying for litter laws. Uh and so Nino.

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Now there are all kinds of fines for both littering

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and the most reprehensible kind of littering, which is dumping. Um.

0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite bands of all time, Granddaddy, has

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:54.760
<v Speaker 1>a song called Broken Household Appliance National Forest, where Jason

0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Little is a big outdoorsy guy and he their lyrics

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>are about like, you know, a forest just littered with

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>with appliances and animals living in them and uh and

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 1>it's not like it is obviously admonishing tongue in cheek,

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 1>but he's sort of like, you know, it's got a

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 1>nice a nice home for a bunny instead of an

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 1>oven door, and you know that kind of thing. But

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 1>dumping is just there. There's a spot in my neighborhood

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:21.160
<v Speaker 1>where people will still dump stuff. Uh you know, it's

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:22.879
<v Speaker 1>like if you find a spot of woods with a creek,

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 1>like you might find a couch in there one day.

0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 1>It's awful, right, that's dumping. It's usually it's either like

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:33.920
<v Speaker 1>five pounds is usually the standard, or a certain size

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.239
<v Speaker 1>like so many cubic feet or something like that. But

0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 1>it's like trash trash plus basically. And that's the ones

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 1>where like you can get a really big fine or

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>even jail time. I think a Tennessee you can get

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 1>up to six years for dumping. Um And in most

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:53.439
<v Speaker 1>states if you dump for commercial purposes, like you're a

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.919
<v Speaker 1>junk hauler and you go dump in the woods, no

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 1>matter how much or how little you dump, you can

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 1>get jail time for that. And I'm pretty stiff fine.

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I think in Maryland it's like thirty dollars, and of

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 1>course it should be that way. Um. The problem is

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 1>is like the the I think the fine for littering

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 1>is either not enough to deter people who do litter still,

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 1>or it's unevenly applied apparently, like like jaywalking. Remember we

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 1>talked about in the short Stuff episode that jaywalking tickets

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>are not not distributed equally among the races in America. Yeah,

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>same deal with the littering, right, Yeah, same thing. So, uh,

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 1>they can take your driver's license. If you litter from

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 1>a car in certain states, you can have your vehicle

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 1>taken away. I think that's only for dumping, not like

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>throwing your fast food out the window. I don't know, huh,

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 1>but they should take your car. Yeah, I mean, I

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 1>guess if you drove your car to the woods and

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 1>had five hundred pounds of McDonald's packaging in your in

0:28:56.720 --> 0:29:00.120
<v Speaker 1>your car and they could take your car. Uh. We

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>do have a lot of statistics though, and Dave gave

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>us statistics from two years two thousand nine and then

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>and we'll explain why in a second. But in two

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 1>thousand nine, they're big studies said that there were fifty

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 1>one point two billion pieces of litter along America's roadways alone,

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 1>just on the side of the road. That's more than

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>sixty seven pieces of litter per mile. Uh and n

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 1>that was less than four inches. Uh and I think

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 1>thirty eight percent of that is is cigarette stuff, cigarette packs,

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 1>cigarette butts, yeah, old dip cans. I think lighters falls

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 1>under that tobacco product category. So tobacco products um are

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 1>far and away the most littered uh thing, but cigarette

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 1>butts are far and away the most littered part of

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>tobacco products too. Yeah, and I think litter a cigarette

0:29:56.280 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 1>butts are the last holdout for people who ordinarily woulden

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>litter that that justify it. Like I will see cigarette

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>butts flying out of a car with an environmental license plate.

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>I've seen it, and I'm just like, what is going

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>on here? I think people justify it. They don't want

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot well, a lot of cars don't even have

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>ash trays anymore, Like I think you have to request one,

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and people don't want him stinking up their car, so

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 1>they'll just throw them outside. It's true, it is true.

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>There's just no way around it. I can't tell you

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>how many cigarette butts I littered in my lifetime. You

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 1>have major pints, so, my friend, huh, you have paid

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 1>your pennance. I probably threw fast food out the window

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 1>when I was fourteen. You know, it's shameful, we're more evolved. Well,

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 1>thanks for letting me off the hook. I feel great now.

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 1>You're like you threw fast food wretch up, you monster

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>in what year? Hundreds of thousands of cigarette butts. We'll

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>talk more about the negative effect of tobacco products. But

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:06.960
<v Speaker 1>the other year dave sentence was and it said, oh, look,

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>things have decreased from two thousand nine, and cigarette butts

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 1>even dropped, uh, from eighteen billion to five point seven billion.

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 1>I believe that the cavity, well a lot of people

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>not in as many people smoked, so that makes sense.

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>But it was also during the pandemic, like the height

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 1>of the pandemic, and nobody was driving. So I don't

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 1>even know why they did a study that year unless

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to sort of shine the metal on their chest.

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 1>That's what I think. I think so because I think

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>if you yeah, I mean like you'd have to be

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 1>silly to to conduct a study like that and not

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>think like, oh, these results are going to be skewed.

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Everybody in the middle of any data that came out

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 1>of was going to be unusual, so they would let's

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 1>get out there and count exactly. Let's show everybody that

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>this this disposable packaging things not a problem anymore. Because

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I hear that, I hear them getting mad about it. Again,

0:31:57.760 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I wonder how they do that. Did they just count

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 1>a certain number of miles in different places and then

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>extrapolate it, so I know in the two thousand nine methodology,

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I believe they used the same one, but they selected

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and forty different roadway segments. They did three

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>hundred feet by fifteen feet segments, so basically right along

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the shoulder of the road for quite a ways, two

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>forty of those in different parts of the country. And

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 1>they literally counted every piece of trash, and they divided

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:30.719
<v Speaker 1>them up into two sizes four inches and bigger and

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 1>then less than four inches and again in any category

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 1>'or like overall cigarette buts were far and away the most,

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 1>but if you then go kind of take it down

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 1>to the four inch or less category, it's like all

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>cigarette butts basically. But that's that's how they did it.

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 1>And then they um did the math and extrapolated to

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.040
<v Speaker 1>the the amount of roadway in the United States, and

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>that's where they came up with those numbers. So any

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 1>stretch of road that you're driving down in America on

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 1>each side has probably about sixty seven hundred pieces of

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 1>trash just sitting there. I mean, I know you already

0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 1>said it, but I think it bears repeating. Great. Uh,

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 1>if we wanted to break down percentages more you have.

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Paper litter was about twenty one point nine percent. Uh.

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Part of the big problem. There's what's called instant litter,

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:25.800
<v Speaker 1>which are those dumb free newspapers and flyers that nobody wants. Yeah,

0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 1>but somebody like put some effort into laying it out

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>and designing it. You know, even it's just sad for

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 1>them to a certain extent, but it is nobody wants it.

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>It's true. I mean, it's a job. Instant litter though.

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>If you're that's a good TV character, movie characters like

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>what do you do for a living? I'm a copywriter

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 1>for instant litter. I feel great about that. That's like

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 1>a character from reality bites. Yeah. Uh, plastic is another

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>obviously big problem. Uh. They come in in third at

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteen percent. That's a I think, yeah, I mean that's

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 1>what did it was that much or that little that that? Yeah,

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 1>I thought that percentage was a little low. I thought

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>it share would probably be more, wouldn't you. Yeah, because

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>plastic isn't just a plastic bottle, like that's an obvious thing.

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:18.279
<v Speaker 1>But any tiny like plastic gum wrapper, any little piece

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>of plastic is counted as plastic. Obviously, Freedo's wrapper, that's

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:29.240
<v Speaker 1>plastic plastic. M hmm, that's not foil. No, it's shiny

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:33.879
<v Speaker 1>milar plastic film. Yeah, like a balloon exactly. You can

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:35.840
<v Speaker 1>blow it up and take it to your kid's birthday

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 1>and say happy birthday. Here's a Freedo balloon chump. Almost

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 1>six percent metal, about four and a half percent glass,

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 1>and then four two percent is organic litter, which we

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 1>should talk about quickly because a lot of people think

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I could just throw my Apple Core and my banana

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:55.400
<v Speaker 1>peel out the window, and you shouldn't do that. No,

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:59.839
<v Speaker 1>this is this is something that like I, I could

0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>have guests, but I would still once in a while

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:06.920
<v Speaker 1>throw like an Apple Core or something out like that. Well,

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:09.319
<v Speaker 1>do you want to share why we shouldn't do that? Yeah,

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of reasons. One um, and this this

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 1>is why I did it. I thought it was quickly

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:18.319
<v Speaker 1>and easily biodegradable and compostable, and that at the very

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 1>least if it wasn't eaten, it just went away pretty quickly.

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.760
<v Speaker 1>And there was a study done in Grand Canyon National

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Park um that where the scientists used to hike around

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the park buried like an orange peel, a banana peel.

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:36.359
<v Speaker 1>What was the other thing, like a kleenex I think

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:40.439
<v Speaker 1>chewing gum and a kleenex and left them for six

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>months and came and dug them back up and nothing

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 1>there was like basically no change like the banana. The

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 1>banana peel turned like dark brown or black. That was

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.279
<v Speaker 1>about it. Like they had not decomposed at all. So

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 1>that kind of like does away with it. And yes,

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.239
<v Speaker 1>it was in the Grand Canyon, so I'm sure in

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 1>like the Florida Everglades it would probably decompose more. But

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.719
<v Speaker 1>the point is it's not. It's not decomposing in any

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 1>really quick manner. And then secondly took apparently if the

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 1>other thought I had where it's like, well, you know,

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 1>an animal would love this apple, or uh, they don't,

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and even if they do, they shouldn't really have it anyway. Right, Yeah,

0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 1>And just a quick correction, she didn't actually bury it.

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:23.279
<v Speaker 1>She left it out in a in a cage, so

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 1>it was exposed to the elements where animals could get

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 1>to it. She did both. There was a second part

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 1>where she buried it. Setting you up for the first part. Okay, well,

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>the first part is, yeah, she left it. It was

0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 1>an open cage, so it's not like they were trapping animals.

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:38.239
<v Speaker 1>But I think the point is no animals were eating it,

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>or at least not as much as people thought. But

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>it's not good for them. It teaches them to hang

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:48.399
<v Speaker 1>around roadways and near trails and stuff like that. Um,

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:51.839
<v Speaker 1>instead of you know, getting their regular natural organic diet

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>like deep into the woods. Uh. And it looks bad.

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 1>You know that black banana peel is going to be

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 1>there for a while. Yeah. It's one of the other

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.840
<v Speaker 1>problems with litter that the impact that has on wildlife.

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 1>There's an estimate that's kind of bandied about all over

0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:09.120
<v Speaker 1>the place is that about a million animals a year

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 1>die from litter. I believe in the United States alone,

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>A lot of them are aquatic animals. We talked about

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 1>like ghost fishing that definitely would qualify as as aquatic litter.

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:22.800
<v Speaker 1>But also like if you throw a bottle out or

0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:25.919
<v Speaker 1>something an animal might crawl in there and it can't

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 1>get back out. There's a lot of dead animals that

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>you'll find, like trapped inside a can or a bottle,

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:34.400
<v Speaker 1>which is a really direct harm that your litter can

0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 1>can leave on wildlife as well. For sure. I think

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:41.319
<v Speaker 1>the takeaway here in terms of food is just like,

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 1>don't just don't throw anything on your walk or out

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 1>of your car. Nothing. Pack it in, pack it out

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:51.320
<v Speaker 1>that set You've done everything right. Yeah, it's true. I

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 1>mean I'll never throw an apple core, an orange peel

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:56.320
<v Speaker 1>or banana peel out anymore. And you know what I

0:37:56.360 --> 0:38:01.359
<v Speaker 1>always say, there is no apple core who I know? Well,

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:03.800
<v Speaker 1>then I would throw out my uneaten portion of apple

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>that I could eat crazy, thew away, the stem in

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the seeds. Maybe a new apple tree will grow in

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:13.879
<v Speaker 1>its place. Yeah, I would love to grow an apple tree.

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I love apples. Do we take Josh apple seed? Mm? Hm?

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Did we take a break? All right, we'll be right

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>back with litter. Well, now we're on the road, driving

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.240
<v Speaker 1>in your truck. Want to learn a thing or two

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 1>from Josh camp Chuck. It's stuff you should know, all right,

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 1>all right? The other thing that keep America beautiful does

0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 1>is they try and figure out who these people are. Uh.

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 1>They've done phone surveys. Uh in the nineteen sixties, I

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 1>think sixty eight and the telephone survey, fifty percent of

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Americans said that they littered. Fifteen percent said they did

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand nine. Take that for what it is.

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a phone survey. Uh. And then they also sort

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>of scope out areas near convenience stores and fast food

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 1>restaurants and city sidewalks and they just look at behavior

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 1>and uh. This in two thousand nine, that same study,

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:31.760
<v Speaker 1>they found it was close to ten thousand disposal behaviors

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:34.839
<v Speaker 1>that they looked at, and seventeen percent of those were

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 1>litter behaviors. And of those litter behaviors were on purpose. Yeah,

0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:44.760
<v Speaker 1>they call them notable intent. I'm throwing it out the window.

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not something that flew out of my car by exactly. Um. Uh.

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 1>And the way that they came up with notable intent

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:58.680
<v Speaker 1>was was there like a garbage can and easy access

0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>or was there like an ash can and easy access

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 1>that was visible and the people saw it and just

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:09.319
<v Speaker 1>didn't use it anyway. Um, there's a they in like

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:13.240
<v Speaker 1>a significant portion of people who litter just just litter.

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 1>They they just do it anyway, even though there's plenty

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:20.879
<v Speaker 1>of like trash cans or ash cans right there. Um.

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 1>And then the other percentage, the other fift percent of

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 1>people who littered did it in the context of their

0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:31.719
<v Speaker 1>not being a trash can nearby or uh slightly less

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.319
<v Speaker 1>acceptable that, um there was one, but it was really

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>far away. It was all the way over there, you know. Well.

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 1>And the other one too is the uh what fell

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 1>into contacts and this is something it fell into context.

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 1>And this is something you sent some other stuff about,

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 1>is that people are more likely to litter when they

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:51.720
<v Speaker 1>see other litter. Yeah, so like this place is dirty anyway.

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 1>There's people that, um that study this stuff, the psychology

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 1>of littering. There's a that that study I found was

0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I think from if I'm not mistaken, and they these

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:09.799
<v Speaker 1>social psychologists um Cialdini, Reno and cal Green. They they

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 1>basically set people up by taking them to a parking

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:18.359
<v Speaker 1>deck and the parking deck was either heavily littered or

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 1>it was spotless, right, so those were those are two variables.

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:27.480
<v Speaker 1>And then in each instance the people saw somebody litter,

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 1>one of those instant litter flyers in either a heavily

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 1>heavily littered parking deck or a non litter parking deck,

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:37.759
<v Speaker 1>and then they were sent back to their car, and

0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:42.080
<v Speaker 1>their car had that same flyer right, and so um

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 1>they were. They would see whether the people would litter

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:46.719
<v Speaker 1>based on having seen somebody else do it, and then

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:50.240
<v Speaker 1>whether it was a clean place or a heavily littered place.

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>And they found that seeing somebody litter in a heavily

0:41:55.040 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>littered place made them much much likelier to litter. But

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:03.120
<v Speaker 1>that the people This is the I think the most

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 1>interesting thing. People who saw this person litter in a

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 1>in a clean parking deck were far less likely to litter.

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 1>They were the least likely to litter. So it's like

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:20.160
<v Speaker 1>seeing somebody else violate this social norm strengthens an individual

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:23.839
<v Speaker 1>sense of responsibility to not violate that norm themselves, Like

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>it ticks them off and makes them less likely to

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:30.319
<v Speaker 1>to litter. So interesting. Yeah, so if you if you

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 1>have already littered place, it's it's going to attract more letter.

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Litter begets litter. Yeah, I sort of littered recently in

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:41.799
<v Speaker 1>a way on my way into the SEC Championship game

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 1>here in Atlanta. We were you know, like everybody was

0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 1>walking with their beers towards the stadium and there was

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:50.320
<v Speaker 1>one part where they funneled you through what I guess

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 1>was um Our Martha our Subway systems property, and so

0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 1>there were people there are like, you can't take this

0:42:57.120 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 1>through there, and everyone was like, oh geez, And they

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 1>were probably beer cans on the sidewalk right there because

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.959
<v Speaker 1>they were saying drop it right here, didn't have cans

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 1>or anything. And then on the way out, every single

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 1>one of those cans was gone. So they cleaned them

0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 1>up during the game, and it was I guess part

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 1>of the plan, but it was very strange to just

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>throw your beer can on the ground because you're being

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:24.279
<v Speaker 1>told to do it. Yeah, and also everyone you know,

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.440
<v Speaker 1>power drinking at the end, like a bunch of dopes.

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>But but it ways to have a beer. But knowing

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 1>somebody's going to clean it up also influences the likeliness,

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:38.279
<v Speaker 1>the likelihood that you're going to litter. It makes it.

0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 1>It increases the likelihood you'll litter, like a park that

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you know is maintained or whatever. Yeah, for me, it

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 1>was always a movie theater until somebody was finally like,

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.280
<v Speaker 1>you still just don't leave it there, just throw it away,

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 1>like the trash can is right on the way. Yeah, exactly.

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:57.239
<v Speaker 1>But before they had the big prominent trash cans, like

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 1>they had small, you know, slender, little trash. So you know,

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I did that for many, many years. Yeah.

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I wondered about that today, if people would be more

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:12.560
<v Speaker 1>responsible in movie theaters, if they didn't clean up between

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:15.920
<v Speaker 1>movies and he walked in and saw a bunch of

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:19.959
<v Speaker 1>old garbage, and you're like, oh, what's that doing here?

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 1>And if they said like, sorry, we're not clean up

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:27.000
<v Speaker 1>your We're not your parents. Yeah, there's like a poorly

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:31.840
<v Speaker 1>handmade sign from somebody that says this, this office is

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 1>not your your parents house. You got to do your

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:36.839
<v Speaker 1>own dishes. I was always good at movie theaters because

0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I've always had a guilt of and Hodgeman talks about

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 1>it a lot is being aware of the work you

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:45.719
<v Speaker 1>leave for others. Uh, And I know, And I even

0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 1>had people to be like, they come in here and

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:49.399
<v Speaker 1>clean it, and I was like, well, that's one less

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 1>popcorn back that they have to clean up. Then it's

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 1>like it's fine. Yeah, you shoul would argue with me

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 1>for doing it. Yeah, and you should never encourage somebody

0:44:56.520 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 1>to litter anyway, like you know it's true, Like, yeah,

0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would have told you to just

0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 1>go ahead and litter. Who knows. I don't. Just thought

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.760
<v Speaker 1>it was weird. But the the I think to answer

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 1>your question though, based on the studies I've seen, the

0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 1>more litter you found in a in a movie theater,

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the more likely you'd be to just litter on top

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:20.520
<v Speaker 1>of it. Well, I guess that makes sense, so it

0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:24.000
<v Speaker 1>could be self defeating again, it's you want to make

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 1>a strong social norm against littering, and then you want

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:34.319
<v Speaker 1>to keep places clean, and then in that context, if

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:37.360
<v Speaker 1>you see somebody littering, you're far less likely to litter.

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.600
<v Speaker 1>That's the that was. That's like the perfect storm of

0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 1>non littering from what I saw. But I have one

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 1>more thing, Chuck about the um that that two thousand

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:49.440
<v Speaker 1>nine Keep America Beautiful study. You said that they were

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:52.839
<v Speaker 1>hanging around like convenience stores and stuff like that, so

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:55.719
<v Speaker 1>they would observe some people littering. I think they observed

0:45:55.760 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 1>like twenty three people littering. Um or no, they observed

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.920
<v Speaker 1>like almost two thousand. I can't remember what the what

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the point was no, no, okay, I'm sorry, I got this.

0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:10.320
<v Speaker 1>You're ready. So they would actually do these interventions, and

0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I think they did about a hundred of them, where

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:15.359
<v Speaker 1>they would go up to people in the like convenience

0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:17.680
<v Speaker 1>store or in the parking lot or whatever and just

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:20.560
<v Speaker 1>ask them about littering. And some of those people, I

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:24.800
<v Speaker 1>think twenty three of them, they had just seen litter,

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.399
<v Speaker 1>and they didn't go confront the people about littering. They

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 1>just went and surveyed them and pretend they hadn't seen it.

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 1>So they would ask everybody, have you littered within the

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:37.400
<v Speaker 1>last month, And like eight of those twenty three people

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:40.759
<v Speaker 1>said no, I have not littered in the last last month.

0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Even though this the studied person had just seen them litter.

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 1>They lied about it. So it makes you wonder about

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 1>the veracity of that phone survey you mentioned earlier. I

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 1>wonder if they said no, I haven't littered in the

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:54.520
<v Speaker 1>past month except for just form no no, no, what

0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 1>do you say, sir? Uh to button up the cigarette

0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 1>butt thinging? Uh? They are plastic as well. They're not biodegradable.

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:08.440
<v Speaker 1>They're made of cellulose acetate and they take decades to

0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 1>break down. And it's also tobacco products which has nicotine

0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:17.880
<v Speaker 1>and arsenic and heavy metals and all kinds of nasty toxins,

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.800
<v Speaker 1>and those get in the soil, those leach into the ground,

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.920
<v Speaker 1>those fall into a waterway, those getting made into a

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 1>bird's nest, and it's poison. Uh. There was a researcher

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:31.239
<v Speaker 1>that did an experiment where they put one cigarette butt

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:34.200
<v Speaker 1>in a gallon of water. Uh, and that was enough

0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to kill half of the fish in side. Just a

0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:38.799
<v Speaker 1>cigarette butt floating and dissolving in there, right, and not

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 1>just from the plastic from like the nicotine, the heavy metals,

0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:44.319
<v Speaker 1>the arsenic, all the stuff that gets trapped into a

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:47.320
<v Speaker 1>used cigarette, but once the full cigarette has been smoked

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:53.560
<v Speaker 1>through it, Yeah, yeah, kills the fish, kills half of them.

0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 1>That's uh. So if you hear the person with the

0:47:57.920 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 1>keep America Beautiful sticker on your car and you're throwing

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:01.680
<v Speaker 1>your cigarette butts out of the the windows you don't like

0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:05.080
<v Speaker 1>to smell, just do a little soul searching. Um Dave

0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:08.680
<v Speaker 1>turned up a company called Green Butts that has come

0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:11.799
<v Speaker 1>up with um truly compost herbal cigarette butts made of

0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:16.280
<v Speaker 1>like manila, hemp and flax and I think cotton, and

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 1>they have it so ready that tobacco companies would would

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:21.759
<v Speaker 1>simply have to buy them and put them in their

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:25.440
<v Speaker 1>assembly lines, make no change whatsoever. And apparently it hasn't

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 1>taken off. I'm guessing because of cost. That would be

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:32.440
<v Speaker 1>my guest too. Yeah, if you want to fix littering,

0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:37.280
<v Speaker 1>stop littering, that's step one. You can go a step

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:40.319
<v Speaker 1>further and pick up trash. Yeah. Step We have a

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.799
<v Speaker 1>program in our neighborhood, uh, like an official program where

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:45.880
<v Speaker 1>neighbors get together like once a month and do it.

0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Uh and there and I donate my pickup truck to

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 1>UH to haul the trash away. Uh. And we pick

0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:55.040
<v Speaker 1>stuff up on our walks all the time. And you can.

0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 1>The Swedes invented something called plogging, which is where you

0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:00.640
<v Speaker 1>take it back with you when you jog and pick

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.640
<v Speaker 1>stuff up, so you know, pick stuff up if you can.

0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I do that sometimes and every time Maggy with you

0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:11.280
<v Speaker 1>want to walk. Yeah, more like a like a grocery bag.

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:15.160
<v Speaker 1>And I think there's still bottle deposit laws here and

0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:17.800
<v Speaker 1>there too, right, Yeah, there's like ten states that haven't,

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:21.120
<v Speaker 1>which I mean that's good. That's definitely a start. Ten

0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:22.880
<v Speaker 1>states in Guam. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to leave

0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 1>you guys out um and that that I mean, that's

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:27.600
<v Speaker 1>a good way to go. It's getting back to reusable

0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:30.120
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that that that structure is already there

0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:32.840
<v Speaker 1>means you can easily adopt it in other states. You

0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:35.240
<v Speaker 1>just get it started, and some of those states probably

0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 1>used to do it before. But I think the upshot

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:40.680
<v Speaker 1>of the whole thing is is like until we do

0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:47.200
<v Speaker 1>something about the source of litter, which is actually disposable packaging,

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:50.360
<v Speaker 1>until we do something about that, we're always going to

0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:52.759
<v Speaker 1>have a problem with it. Like it's just never going

0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:56.120
<v Speaker 1>to go away. Because even if you don't mean to litter,

0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it just happens. Like if you're a garbage trucker,

0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:02.360
<v Speaker 1>you're hauling your your trash in the back of a

0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 1>pickup truck and some of it flies out like that

0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:06.520
<v Speaker 1>that counts as litter, and that happens quite a bit.

0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:10.440
<v Speaker 1>So we need to focus start focusing more on the

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:13.960
<v Speaker 1>supply side, not just the consumer side. I slung a

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Christmas tree out of the back of my truck the

0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:18.560
<v Speaker 1>other day under the middle of memorial truck. That's litter.

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I pulled up to a stoplight and the people were

0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:22.279
<v Speaker 1>honking at me next door, and I was like, what

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:24.919
<v Speaker 1>he said, you dropped your tree back there? I went, oh,

0:50:24.960 --> 0:50:27.759
<v Speaker 1>thank you. All right, You're like, well, go get it.

0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I'll be I'll wait here. Yeah, it was. And Memorial

0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 1>drives busy and fast. What a way to go out

0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:38.319
<v Speaker 1>getting hit by a car pulling my old Christmas tree

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 1>out of the very Christmas there's the headline, little known podcaster.

0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:46.920
<v Speaker 1>And I was trying to do the right thing. You

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 1>got anything else? I got nothing else. Don't litter. That's it.

0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:52.800
<v Speaker 1>That's a good one to wrap it up with, Chuck.

0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:57.600
<v Speaker 1>And since Chuck said don't litter, it's time for a listener, ma'am,

0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call this uh funny bone follow up. And

0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:08.200
<v Speaker 1>this is from who is this from? A doctor of

0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:12.200
<v Speaker 1>physical therapy? Has answers? Chuck has said when he goes

0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 1>to get a massage and the massage therapist rolls something

0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:17.680
<v Speaker 1>up and down, that his hand curls up and and

0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:19.279
<v Speaker 1>you were thinking this head to do with a nerve.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually it's because of a length tension relationship with the

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<v Speaker 1>flex or muscles in your arm. The tendons of your

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<v Speaker 1>forearm muscles are very long and run through the carpal

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<v Speaker 1>tunnel to allow tension to be applied through the tendon

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<v Speaker 1>when you want to bind your wrist. This also means, however,

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<v Speaker 1>that when enough pressure is applied to the muscle belly. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I love that term. That's correct, it causes emotion similar

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<v Speaker 1>to a muscle contraction that allows for the wrist to bend.

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<v Speaker 1>You also question why cubital tunnel syndrome and tennis elbow

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<v Speaker 1>weren't called the same thing, because they're very different. Cubital

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<v Speaker 1>tunnel syndrome refers specifically to the ulnar nerving and trapped

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<v Speaker 1>by tissues are swelling within the cubical tunnel, whereas tennis

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<v Speaker 1>elbow is act. An injury to the extensor tendons in

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<v Speaker 1>your forearm is a tendonitis. I see. I would explain

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<v Speaker 1>that Samantha the doctor of physical therapy in Northern Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 1>Muscle Belly and my dreaming Is that really? What was

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<v Speaker 1>just said? Muscle Belly our new band that's pretty like

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<v Speaker 1>daft punk, just the two of us. That's all right.

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<v Speaker 1>You be muscle, I'd be Belly, or like Sparks. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how the Sparks you are now. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just listening to number one song and heave

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<v Speaker 1>an album before this clean. I think they're touring now again.

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<v Speaker 1>They are, as a matter of fact, chucking they're coming

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<v Speaker 1>to Atlanta. Are you going? I don't believe we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be around to make it, muscle belly. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to be like Samantha and let us know some great

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