1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We're all about 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: that high school drama. Girl drama girl, all about them 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: our comic girl Cheering for the drama queens up girl fashion, 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: but your tough girl, you can sit with us. Girl Drama, Queens, Drama, 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Queen's DRAWNA Queen's Drama Drawn, MC Queen's DRAWNMA Queen's Cool. 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: Season two, episodes seventeen Something I Can Never Have. This 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: originally aired April nineteen, two thousand five. Guys, this was 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: a doozy from the last episode. Keith is reeling and 10 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: missing for the beginning from being left of the Altar 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: by Jules, as he finds out it was all a 12 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: set up by Dan. Anna confronts Felix about her sexuality 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: and finds out who really tagged Peyton's locker, tries to 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: find a living solution so she doesn't have to leave 15 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: Trill Baby, and Nathan reflects on his relationship with Haley 16 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: through the sweetest flashbacks we have ever seen. He tries 17 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: to win her back while she is on tour, and 18 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: last but not least, our very favorite k hand in 19 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: his fight for custody of Jenny. I'm exhausted. I'm emotionally 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: exhausted from this. I'm so glad that someone else said that, 21 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: because I was like, why am I so tired? Like 22 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: this episode put us through it? It really did. It 23 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: was that was that was an emotional coaster. Um. It 24 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: starts with Nikki. Say the whole Nikki and Jake thing. 25 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: I mean that is that's so rough. Custody in and 26 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: of itself. Anyone who knows anyone who's been through custody stuff, 27 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: or if you've been through it yourself, you know, the 28 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: family courts are a mess, and especially just trying to 29 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: deal with it's always um. Court date after court date. 30 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: It's never easy. There's never just a cut and clean, dryway. 31 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: There's always some way the system is trying to suck 32 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: money out of you. So the idea that teenagers are 33 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: having to navigating stuff too, it's just so gut wrenching. 34 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: I really feel for Jake and to see Nikki weaponize 35 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: his love for his daughter against him to go to 36 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: a court date that she knew was a date he 37 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: was unaware of, and pleading her case as the victim. 38 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: It's infuriating. But as a teenager like how do you, 39 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you know how to hire a lawyer? 40 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: How do you know, like how to make a court 41 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: date or a court appearance? What room to go to? 42 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: Like you know, I do a whole TV show about 43 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: the judicial system where it's like grown ups our age whore, like, 44 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: I have no idea, this is impossible, so intimidating um 45 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: for that point though, like Jake says I'm staying, I'm not. 46 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere, like I'm not going to get 47 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: scared off. I forgot that. He doubled down and was like, 48 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to stay. And to your point, though, he 49 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: gets an offer for some help and support from an adult, 50 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: from a capable adult who says, we can do this 51 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: differently for you, and that's really his first sign of hope. 52 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: That's the first thing that lets him know that he 53 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: can fight. But that didn't happen until after he chose 54 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: to stay, which I love too. Sometimes you have particularly 55 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: of faith to do the thing. Where are Jake Jigilski's parents, Seriously, guys, 56 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: Like it's like we're children of the corn. They're just parents. 57 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: Anywhere no one has parents. No, No, it's not even 58 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: like his parents are saying, well, Jake, we tried, honey, 59 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: you know, give her to her mama. We can't afford her. Um. Yeah, 60 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: It's just so confusing to me why they didn't take 61 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: those opportunities to flesh us out, and instead they're like, well, 62 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: there's this businessman that Karen's sleeping with. We're gonna I 63 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: love that Brooks parents are arranging for them the move 64 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: and you see the movers, but never her parents. Never. No, 65 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: it's amazing. There's no parents in tree Hill except for 66 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: Dan and Deb and Karen. Well, Deb's not even here now, 67 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: Deb listen. Deb saw the ship show at the wedding 68 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: and was like, peace, I'm out you guys, it's too much. 69 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: I can't. You know, for the people at home that 70 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: don't know how TV is made, you know, some your 71 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: deal is sometimes like you're in all the episodes, or 72 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: you're only in six out of twelve episodes, or maybe 73 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: three out of twelve episodes, and with a cast as 74 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: big as ours, you have to budget strategically so you 75 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: can keep all your players. Um. So sometimes people are 76 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: missing or sometimes like whole families are missing. That should 77 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: be in fault. So maybe they just should have given 78 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: our show more money if they wanted happy families. That's 79 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: true because no Felix parents, Felix and Anna Greenberg, Jake Jakalski, 80 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: no Brook, no Peyton, no parents for anyone than anybody 81 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: else who else has parents, has no parents. Keith just 82 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: had a whole ass wedding and his parents weren't there. Damn, damn, 83 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: that's true. We didn't even have ourselves about about royal 84 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: and what was grandma's name? I can't remember. Tess Harper, God, yeah, 85 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: I mean she's so cute. Her commentary on the whole 86 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: like chick running out, Danny, did you hire a prostitute? Missing? Yeah, 87 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: we're missing her. We need a director's cut with Tess 88 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: Harper right. Well, Hey, speaking of the director, we had 89 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: Paul Johanson direct this, so this was his first episode directing. 90 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: I believe the performances, and that's why the performances are 91 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: so good, because he makes a difference how to get 92 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: a great performance out of an actor. He understands the 93 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: concept of the scene and the space and the arc 94 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: of the entire story, and he's great. He's so great 95 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: with actors, man, and he especially for us. You know, 96 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: we talked about it in season one, how you could 97 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: see where we were being pushed to perform in certain 98 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: ways where we were all a little like, I don't 99 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: know what's sexy what's funny, Like we didn't know. I'm 100 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: still asking that question, honestly, say and Paul, you know, 101 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: always encouraged everyone to tone it down and take it inward. 102 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: And you see these really relaxed, really interesting, dynamic performances 103 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: from everyone. I especially thought it was fun watching what 104 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: Chad was doing with the Lucas and Dan dynamic and 105 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: watch what James was doing with Nathan's memories of him 106 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: and Haley. Paul directed those boys beautifully. Yeah, he's been 107 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: those boys. He's had to walk on those shoes and 108 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: be like be a heartthrob but also be emotional, but 109 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: also be approachable, but also be mysterious, you know, like 110 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: unattainable but everyone's best friend. Yeah, it's tough being a chick. 111 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: But it's also really hard to be a young man 112 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: in your early twenties having to play these parts because 113 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: you know you're having to do emotional work, but also 114 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: you get told maintain your masculinity and you want to 115 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: be cool. You still want to be cool. Oh yeah, 116 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, be the guy that people are putting their 117 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: poster on their walls. Just what was that? J fourteen? 118 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: You know Jonathan Taylor Thomas shout out to the O G. 119 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: Did you have him on your wall? I probably did? 120 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: I you did, probably when I was young. Yeah, like 121 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: I mean I think when I was like what leven? Yeah, 122 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: I mean I remember I got like a book it 123 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: poster thing like I saved my quarters. Remember book It. 124 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: It was like the book subscription thing you do at school. 125 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: And I got a Richard Greeko poster. I was never 126 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: in Yeah, but like guys, I got that like the 127 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: third grade. I was never into boys our age. I 128 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: was always he was your first celebrity? Who was your 129 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: first crush? Who was your first cet? I had no 130 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: idea who he was. I saw his picture in the 131 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: book It pamphlet and was like that guy looks like 132 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: he rides motorcycles and like causes trouble. Okay, manifested your husband, Hillary, 133 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: that's what you did? You know who my first crush was? 134 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: Magnum p I oh that's right, No, yeah, God, I 135 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: love it still when I think about him and I 136 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: read a I'm sure I swoon get it when I 137 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: went to see I went to see this movie. It 138 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: was a drive in. It was the only driving movie 139 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I think I was I don't know nine, 140 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: and it was a double feature. It was The sand 141 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: Lot and Ghost Dad. Oh the sand Lot Man. When 142 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: Mike v Tar came on the screen with those big 143 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: brown eyes and that like Mediterranean olive skin, I was done, 144 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: Is he like a firefighter? Now? He's like a firefighter. 145 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: I immediately got on Google when I watched this time 146 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: out with Maria the other day, and I was like, man, 147 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: that kid is still cute. Yeah, in a non creepy way, 148 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: but like, you know, I could feel myself back being 149 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: my tenure, your childhood, childhoodself googled his adults forget it. 150 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: So here's the deal. If you're a handsome young man, 151 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: but you also have to feel feelings, Paul Johansson is 152 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: the director for your how to bring it out? Great 153 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: performance from Anna in particular, I really want to give 154 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: a shout out to her, to Danielle who just nailed 155 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: those scenes so beautifully. So um, it wasn't too much. 156 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing that Paul's great at is 157 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: reeling actors in and he's like, stopped doing stuff, stop acting, 158 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: Stop like doing the thing with your face that you 159 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: think you need to do with the corresponding emotion to 160 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: the facial expression, stop it. Just stand there and feel 161 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: what you're feeling. And when you drop into it, if 162 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: you if you lie yourself to be that honest, which 163 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: Danielle clearly did, something really beautiful happens. And I well, 164 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: let's talk about that whole like arc a little bit, 165 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: because this is the fruition of lots of Anna conversations, confrontations, 166 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: um and it. I don't know, it's kind of surprising 167 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: to me that we did all this so many years 168 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: ago and it's still such a big conversation. What I 169 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: appreciated about Anna's arc is that she didn't just come 170 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: out right away and say I'm gay. It became this 171 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: like trickle. It was just a little slow trickle where 172 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: you could feel this teenage girl trying on new things 173 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: and if she could get over the one hurdle of 174 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: of oh I made a joke about this, and no 175 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: one freaked out, and then oh I admitted maybe I 176 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: was by and no one freaked out, and then oh, 177 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: now I've kissed a girl and I'm still alive, you 178 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So by the time she gets 179 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: up to this point where she's like, I'm gay, it's me. 180 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: You're not talking about Peyton, You're talking about me. Um, 181 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: what was the quote she said, here afraid to be myself. 182 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: That's it. She's me. He said, it's just a word. 183 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: She said, it's not just a word, it's who I am. 184 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: And she owns it, and then she says, I'm gay. 185 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: I think it's so important to show characters figuring it out, 186 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, because it it provides everyone else with a 187 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: way to articulate how they're feeling. And you know what, 188 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: I loved about what she said as well. She had 189 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: the profound expression of identity. And when I think about 190 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: when this aired and how proud I am that we 191 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: did this, we also got very clear about how things 192 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: work in the world. And she said, it's not just 193 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: a word, it's a hate crime. Yeah, because it is. 194 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: It's a hate crime. And the clarity to say that 195 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: in an era, because remember in two thousand five, a 196 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: lot of people were still saying, oh, that's so good, 197 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: like it was a sincul and making people feel so 198 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: terrified to be who they were to say no, that's 199 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: me you're talking about. And we I'm very proud looking 200 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: back that we threw the gauntlet down to say no, no, 201 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: we don't do that. We don't make light. When it's 202 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: people's identities and their feeling of being accepted in their 203 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: worlds at stake, We're not going to minimize that at all. 204 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: I mean, Brooke Davis, you can went for it with 205 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: the whole banging on Felix's door like one, I can't. 206 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: I can't be with a person who says this anywhere 207 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: now in no realm, in no realm is that acceptable. 208 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: But on my best friends locker like that turns it up, 209 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, Infinity, if you did it to anybody, 210 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: and you did it to my best friend, you know, 211 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: it's really easy. Um, it's even a problem now on 212 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: the Internet. I have a middle school boy and there 213 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: are certain like recruiting tools on the internet where they 214 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: like show you funny videos, and every once in a 215 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: while they'll slip in something in a per appriate and 216 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: so all the mom groups I'm in there like, watch 217 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: what your teen boys are watching, because it's to desensitize 218 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: them two people's feelings and to make it cool if 219 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: someone cries, you know, um, and that's certainly not how 220 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm raising my son. But you can see how in 221 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: two thousand five when this aired, there was a sense 222 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: of toxic masculinity where boys could say whatever they wanted 223 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: to say and it didn't matter who would hurt. Yeah. 224 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: I love that she went after him. I love that 225 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: Brook went after him and just laid that laid that 226 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: line down, And it was nice for me because that's 227 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: such a hard line I've always taken since I was 228 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: so young. I remember getting suspended when I was little. 229 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: I liked this story already. Yeah. You know, my my dad, 230 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: for his whole working career, was an artist, and I 231 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: grew up in a very a queer, very diverse and 232 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: gender diverse community in Los Angeles with artists and you know, 233 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: people who fled here in the same way that so 234 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: many people fled to New York to have safe queer community. 235 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: And when the AIDS epidemic hit, I'm not exaggerating when 236 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: I tell you fifty of my parents closest friends died. 237 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: And the stigma around AIDS when we were little was 238 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: so strong it was a punch line. It was like 239 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: late night shows punch line. Yeah, and I I remember 240 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: listening to some kids at school talking about what it 241 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: meant if you died of AIDS, and I was like, 242 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: fistfighting with a boy and I got suspended, And is 243 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: that why they sent you to the all girls school? Honestly? 244 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: Probably I didn't boys, God gotta get her out of here. 245 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: And and was like all the arguments I'd ever gotten 246 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: in defending people who I love, who have been stigmatized 247 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: for they love. I got to put all that stuff 248 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: on Felix as Brooke and it felt great, like knowing 249 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: that these were the examples we were setting your storyline 250 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: Hill with Danielle. Danielle's whole storyline is Anna, like you know, 251 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: me being able to be playing a character who was 252 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: defending her friends, like it all just felt important. Yeah, 253 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: And it was because part of something important. So much 254 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: of TV can be like vapid, like you know, what 255 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: are we wearing? How does our hair look? Stuff like that? 256 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: Um and I love that stuff. I love when we 257 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: see each other's outfits and we're like, oh my god, 258 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: it's so cute. But it is nice to look back 259 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: and see a storyline that we're like, oh, that's what 260 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to model when I started doing this, like 261 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to have safe conversations for people, and Daniella 262 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: Joy you said it best. You're like Paul gets people 263 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: to connect in a way that's great. And that single 264 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: tear that she has at the end of her scene 265 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: is just like Chef's kiss. It's so good. Keith, you 266 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: want to do go to the darkness? Do we want 267 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: to go down like that dark road? Sure? Yeah, I 268 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: mean I was. I was gonna say before that Brooke 269 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: had speaking of Brooke, she let's do so much. This 270 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: is I don't know why this storyline made me, like 271 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm like over here what weeping made me cry? This 272 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: like the fact that Karen, the fact that Lucas decorated 273 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: his room like your bedroom made space for you, and 274 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: that Karen allowed you to stay, and then the talk 275 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: you and Karen have on the bed, all of it 276 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: just made me. It made me cry every time. I 277 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: don't know what that is in me, but I that 278 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: one really hit me hard. I loved it too. I 279 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: love also because you see this sort of you know, 280 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: mustache twirling thing of like Dan and Lucas and m 281 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: and Lucas tells Karen he's going to stay and we're 282 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: all like, how is she going to let him stay? Oh? 283 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: Because his room is going to be open for Brooke. Okay, okay, okay, 284 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: Like now we get it. It was it's opening up 285 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: this storyline, and I think it goes back to some 286 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: of what we talked about with Lucas character in the 287 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: first season, where he realizes he's lost his way and 288 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: he wants to be a guy he recognizes. And this 289 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: is such a beautiful expression of friendship, kind of helping 290 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: someone remain a person they recognized. Like, that's what I 291 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: feel like he's doing for Brooke. And he does have 292 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: feelings for her, but he hasn't told her. He's just 293 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: trying to help her out because he loves her. That's 294 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 1: what it is. I think that's what got me. So 295 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: is that watching We've watched Brooke now for two else's 296 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: two and a half a season and a half. One 297 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: season are on three. Two were season two, Okay, so 298 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: it's almost two and three quarters. It's just this incredible arc. 299 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean truly, You're just been so outstanding in these 300 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: two seasons and to really see who she's become. But 301 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: Brooke is a fighter, she is um, she pushes through 302 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: she's somebody that she won't. She might complain for a second, 303 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: but she's not going to let it keep her down. 304 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: She's not a victim. She's just like just muscling through, 305 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: just getting through it, getting through it. I got it. 306 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: I can take care of myself. I can do all this. 307 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,479 Speaker 1: And the fact that Lucas and caring, I mean, just 308 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: to see someone step in and go, you don't have 309 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: to carry this all on your own, let us hold 310 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: you for a moment felt like such a relief for 311 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: me in my empathy with Brooke over this whole season 312 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: and watching her just muscle through everything on her own. 313 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: Man that there was a giant gesture of care from 314 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: another human. Men loved it. He carried the door, the door, 315 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: the door, and then Paul, did you guys notice the 316 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: beautiful thing Paul did? So Lucas opens the door for Brooke, 317 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: which is now read, and the first thing you see 318 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: is her dollhouse with the red door. Yes, it was 319 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: this like world inside a world, and he did what 320 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: he could to recreate her world. And it's just such 321 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: a kind gesture, and it reminds you of who he 322 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: is at his best. It reminds you of the household 323 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: he grew up in with Karen, and I love Moira, 324 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, Karen sitting broke down to say, look, it's 325 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: going to be very different it. She loves it. She 326 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: loves so good, like having a real mom. Sweet Moira 327 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: was so good at kind of getting that reaction out 328 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: of all of the young players, you know, because she 329 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: she interacted with all of us in different ways, and 330 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: watching her with the boys is fun with her and 331 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: like Jake her and Nathan her and Chad. You know, 332 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: you two had a really special thing though, because you're 333 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: supposed to be the party girl that's hooking up with 334 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: her kid and man like to see how excited like 335 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: your eyes would light up, just like, oh my god, 336 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: you paid attention to me as as Brooke, Just like, 337 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is a real mom. How cool? Um? 338 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: I also love from a production standpoint, they were like, 339 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: we're not going to pay rent on those two big 340 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: mansion houses anymore, so how can we just put Brooke 341 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: in a set we already control at this house and 342 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: we're going to be fun, bunget red and it'll all 343 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: be the same. No parents, no mansions. These are the 344 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: things that make our show special though, These little moments. 345 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: It's it's the simple things in life, just the simple 346 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: kindnesses from one person to another. It gets me every time. Well, look, 347 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: Nathan can Haley on the road trip to see your 348 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: parents is so cute? And then tied it into this 349 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: road trip to see her which ends up not being 350 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: is cute. That was beautiful. And the little things again, 351 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: like the big red door and the small red door, 352 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Highway sign and then the matching Atlanta postcards. 353 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: There were all these um sort of optical illusions and 354 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: references to memory and identity. I think Paul just did 355 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: such a beautiful job with that stuff that was probably 356 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: not even on the page, but he created it, and 357 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: I loved the story that it helped to tell. Those flashbacks, Joy, 358 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: I remember shooting almost all of those. You know, I've 359 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: talked a lot about how I have bad memory and 360 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: I don't remember a lot of this stuff, but I 361 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: remember I remember all those this whole episode, I remember 362 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: shooting because you were having fun, we can tell. Yeah, well, 363 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: you guys are so cute together in these scenes. Do 364 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: you think part of the reason, too, is that you 365 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: were out on tour and you had to fly back 366 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: just to do these flashbacks and then go right back 367 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: out on toured like did that? Did that maybe burn 368 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: it into your brain a little more? Yeah, it's possible. 369 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: It's possible. I really don't know why. I don't know why, 370 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: But what do you remember? I remember I definitely remember 371 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: shooting the answering machine scene. Um, but it was just 372 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: so funny because nobody leaves, nobody has an answer machine anymore, 373 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: right that that's in my notes, you guys making an 374 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: answering machine recording? So sweet? Um, I remember doing that. 375 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: I just remember us having a ball. And I think 376 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: maybe a lot of it that I remember because Paul 377 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: was directing and so we were all just it was 378 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: really fully all just our friends doing this episode. So 379 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: maybe that was part of it. And I feel like, too, 380 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: I have a question about that because Paul directing you 381 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: guys the answering machine message, I was like, oh my god, 382 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm blushing, like they're talking that. Yeah, in the Answering machine, 383 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: don't her parents called his number? Don't. I really was like, 384 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: oh my god, do you think like maybe it just 385 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: being you James and Paul in the room made you 386 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: guys like a little spicier and funnier because it was like, 387 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure a little family being so silly. Yeah. Also 388 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: probably the fact that I don't think James and I 389 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: had been fun and snuggly. I don't. We hadn't done 390 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: a lot of that yet. This was the first time 391 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: that we were laying down next to each other on 392 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: on a bed and like tickling and cuddling and snuggling, 393 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: and that was a new thing for laughing. Yeah, it 394 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: was a new thing for Nathan and Haley to be 395 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: to see. It was a new thing for James and 396 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: I to shoot. Um. But also you come into your 397 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: sexy like joy when you come in from the wedding 398 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: and he's like carried you across the threshold and you 399 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: do that little like Hibby walk to the bedroom. Babe. 400 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: Okay the sign fallen off the door. Okay, so cute. 401 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: I remember that. And then I and I really remember 402 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: the scene where James shows up and he comes and 403 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: you know, I walk in. We have to do the 404 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: whole scene. He's telling me I'm here for you. I 405 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: married you because I you know, for better or worse, 406 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: I support you. I'm here and I'm exhausted. That was 407 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: so hard to watch. That was so painful to watch her. 408 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: That was painful, uncertain. I mean, she just couldn't. Why 409 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: was it so painful? Guys, like friends at home, you 410 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: need to know that joy was like cringing through that 411 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: whole scene. I literally said, I'm having heart palpitation, and 412 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: Hillary goes, I feel like I'm going to throw up. 413 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: I had like that acid burn in my throat because 414 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: I was like, well, this sounds so uncomfortable. It was 415 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: so because you know what it was. I think when 416 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: he comes in and says all the right things, it's 417 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: like he's finally manning up and he's not going to 418 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: be a baby and yell at you about pursuing your dreams. 419 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: It's like he's supporting you. And then you just have 420 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: that look and we all went, oh, no, we didn't 421 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: remember what you were going to say. This was We 422 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: did this a long time ago, but we knew it 423 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: was going to be bad. All of us have had 424 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: to do that, you guys. I think, and and you 425 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: know the look a girl gives when she's happy to 426 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: see you, but also what the are you doing here? 427 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: And and you have to pretend as the girl like 428 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: I'm so happy you made this trip. It would have 429 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: been better if you'd given me a heads up, and 430 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: I've got to go do this thing now. Uh. It's 431 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: those those pauses where you're trying to find the right 432 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: thing to say to hurt you, but I don't. I 433 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: can't give you what you need right now, and I'm 434 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: in this awkward position. It's hard enough to do that 435 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: when you know that it's over and you're just trying 436 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: to find the best way to resolve it. Um, but 437 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: to do that well, to watch it between a couple 438 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: that you know it shouldn't be over, that was hard. 439 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: But I remember shooting it too, knowing that, like really 440 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: caring that Nathan and Haley still have a future somewhere somehow, 441 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: and knowing how much she really does love him, and 442 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: feeling all that, but really wrestling with I am so 443 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: young and I am trying to figure so much out, 444 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: and I don't know, did I make the wrong choice. 445 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: I've just have done that. Also in real life, you know, 446 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: broken up with someone and then you're like, here's what 447 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: you should know is that you're really pretty when you 448 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: do it, like thank you. Yeah, I bet you didn't 449 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: get to watch the last time you did that in 450 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: like real life, but you got to watch this version 451 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh God, damn, I do look good 452 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: when dump someone cute. But also when you came back, 453 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: when it was like you you said what you need 454 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: to said, and you had to leave to go out 455 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: on stage, and you knew that you had said just 456 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: like one thing, one thing too hard and you had 457 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: to come back and kiss him. I mean, you knew 458 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: when you were coming back that he wasn't going to 459 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: be there. You knew it. It really reminded me of 460 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: that feeling that that love is so fragile, and we 461 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: think when we're in it, it feels so strong and 462 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: unbreakable and like nothing can nail it, and we're just like, 463 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: or nothing can you know, can can break it? And 464 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: the truth is it's that I think love actually is 465 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: really fragile in a lot of ways, and it's easy 466 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: to break if you don't I don't know, it's it 467 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: feels like it can fall apart in an instant. I 468 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: experienced this, where you're in something that feels so strong 469 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: with then there's a couple of little chinks in the 470 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: armor and if you let it fester, if you don't 471 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: deal with it, by the way, if you don't get 472 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: honest if you don't, then you just start to let it. 473 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: It starts to chip away at you, and eventually you 474 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: have those moments, just like Nathan and Haley did just then. 475 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: And then of course she's going to go back to 476 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: her hotel and regret it and think I'm crazy. Of 477 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: course I'm in love with him. What am I saying? 478 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: But it's too late. That damage is strong and love 479 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: is fragile, and you have to know what you're going 480 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: to say, and you have to be sure about it 481 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: before you say things like that. And young kids don't 482 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: know that. Kids also don't have protocols to create these 483 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: safe containers where you can say, here's all my fears, 484 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: and I need to say them out loud to you 485 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: so that I can realize they're not true. Right, you know, 486 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: Hayley is speaking her fears and Nathan is hearing them 487 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: as true. And and these two young kids who we 488 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: love don't have the wherewithal that we all have is, 489 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, grown ups to say, here's every irrational thing 490 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that's keeping me up at night, and I 491 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: have to let you know so you know what I'm feeling. 492 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: And we have to make sense of what's real and 493 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: what isn't you You don't have that when you're so 494 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: young and and you can. It's like you you see 495 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: it like a shot to the heart to him, and 496 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: so that is damage that's going to have to be. 497 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: And she's just talking. That's a huge issue between men 498 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: and women mostly anyways, that men are so generally so 499 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: information driven and women are are you know, we're just 500 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: talking it out like I'm just saying it out loud 501 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: because this is how I feel. But I might feel 502 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: differently in a couple of hours, but you know, this 503 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: is how I feel, and men take it as information 504 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: and then they do things with that and you're like, wait, 505 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: that's just emotion. I'm not hold on, that's not for 506 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: a girl. I think it was very sly that they 507 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,959 Speaker 1: mentioned Haley's parents in this episode, because it does remind 508 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: us that they come from two very different parental structures. 509 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: Hailey had the hippie parents that she could like talk 510 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: things out with, and Nathan had to live with Dan 511 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,719 Speaker 1: and Deb, who we know had you know, a pretty 512 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: um rough relationship. Deb fell for another man, and I'm 513 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: sure Dan said all of these sweeping things to get 514 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: her back, like you're my wife and I'm going to 515 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: fight for you. We've heard Dan say those things, and 516 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: so Nathan is saying all of those things to his 517 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: wife now, but he's got to act on them. He 518 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: can't say them, he has to live them. And conversely, 519 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: we see Lucas actually living up to all the things 520 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: that he said. It's really really easy to say like 521 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: the cheesy I'm gonna I'm gonna stay with you forever 522 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: girl stuff. It's a totally different thing to walk the walk, 523 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: and we're seeing Lucas walk the walk in this episode, 524 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: and unfortunately, we're seeing Nathan drive away. Like had he 525 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: only sat through that forty minute set, what could have been? 526 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I don't know for the episode drama. 527 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: I don't know though, if he had a stayed, I 528 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: don't know. Haley, she's processed, Yeah, and Haley wasn't ready 529 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: even if he had staged. She she she sort of 530 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: took took the bite of the apple or open Pandora's 531 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: box if you will. You know, I don't know if 532 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: I actually like this not a force for this, because 533 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: I think it is fair her to pursue her dreams. 534 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: There's not absolutely don't you think he should have left her? 535 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: A note or something like you're spectacular, you know, We're 536 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: just like, I don't know. Just to leave when she's 537 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: doing the things she's so excited about doing feels petty 538 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: to me. It's like, why would you come here and 539 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: piss on this? It's it's reminding me of what you 540 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: said when we were watching Keith's last scene with just 541 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: how he hits Lucas so hard. Sometimes when people are 542 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: in the depths of their pain, they want to barbe 543 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: at other people with it. They want that like, oh, man, 544 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: when you're so heartbroken that you want someone to see 545 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: how heartbroken you are. It's such a vulnerable thing. He 546 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: drove all the way out there. This is Nathan Scott 547 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about. This is like dudes jock and he's 548 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: like non emotional and was raised by Dan. I mean 549 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: for this boy to get in his car and drive 550 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: out there, after the conversations he's had with hay Lee 551 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: on the phone, after all the you know, the thing 552 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: on the news, with the misconception about Chris and all 553 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: of this, to drive out there and wait for her 554 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: with bated breath and have her walk out and not 555 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 1: throw her arms around him and cover him with kisses 556 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: and go, I'm so glad you're here. Thank you, thank you, 557 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: thank you for coming. And and not only does he 558 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: do that, not only does he stay and give her, 559 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: he gives her the speech. Even after she doesn't throw 560 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: her arms around him, he gives her the speech, I'm 561 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: here for you, whatever you need. It's so vulnerable that 562 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: when she doesn't respond immediately with thank you, baby, I 563 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: love you so much. Let's do this, you and me forever. Yeah, 564 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 1: I get why he liked it. Now I'm thinking about 565 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: the ring to the taking the ring off. Guys, I 566 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: forgot all right, I changed my mind. He had to go. 567 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: You talked me into a joy. You and it makes 568 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: me realize to the you know Hill Peyton observes in 569 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: the episode when she's sitting looking out the window in 570 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: that scene with Brooke and says, all of our worlds 571 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: are being ripped away from us, you know, Peyton's and 572 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: Jake's and Brooks, and so are Nathan and Haley's. And 573 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: you realize it's also happening to Keith when he says, 574 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: everyone I thought I cared about lied to me. Everyone's 575 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: worlds are being ripped out from under them in this 576 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: episode and the only way they're going to get them 577 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: back is by leaning on each other and accepting help. 578 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: Broadcast to accept Lucas and Karen's help, Jake has to 579 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: accept Andy's help like everyone's. They only begin to reclaim 580 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: what they're losing, and they accept some help from other 581 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: people and Nathan apart because they're not accepting each other's help. Ye, 582 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: Haley's like, I don't know if I want your help. 583 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: You know, this is a huge testament to why this 584 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: show has did the test of time. There's no there's 585 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: nothing else. There's no special effects. That's right, there's no 586 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: superheroes here and whatever. I don't need we need to 587 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: belabor the point that, you know what I mean. I'm 588 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: so sorry. I'm embarrassed I even said it. I had 589 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: to do it. That's it. There's no superheroes, there's no vampires, 590 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: there's no like teenage I don't know, like what's it 591 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: called glamour suicide? Glam kind of a thing like this 592 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: is that whole riverside vibe? I don't know, but you 593 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, like the heightened reality we were 594 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: just I mean, look, we got into some weird ship 595 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: eventually and then you know, story storylines got real interesting 596 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: as we moved through Tree Hill. I mean, look, hiring 597 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: mistresses and private investigators as pretty weird as it is, 598 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: but at least we managed to ground it. The things 599 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 1: that make us feel everything though, is all this stuff. 600 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 1: Those kinds of things happened in my hometown. So those 601 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: aren't even like far fetched, you know what I mean? Kid, 602 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: I ever knew anyone who hired a p I really 603 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: I didn't. I was encouraged to do do it, but I didn't. 604 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: Due me too, p I hitman, mistresses, all those things 605 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: were like a deal in my hometown. And hitmen. Oh yeah. 606 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: One of the pastors, one of the pastors in our 607 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: town tried to get a parishioner to like, I'll kill 608 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: your wife if you kill mine. Strangers on a train 609 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: ye watched I played Basebaly with his daughter. It was 610 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: like a nightmare. Um. Yes, And so when these things 611 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: happen in tree Hill, it's like, oh, this is crazy. 612 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: But then also also it happens all the time. Thro 613 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: the stranger all the time. Yeah, that's why I still 614 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: get Star News, the local newspaper from Wilmington where we 615 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: filmed this. Oh my god, there's crazy things happening all 616 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: the time, you guys. I was just about to say, 617 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: I love when you excess articles. Would be so happy. 618 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: That's how you know. I'm an old personnel where I'm like, 619 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: y'all see this in the local paper. Check out this headline. 620 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Grant and I still watched the local news 621 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 1: sometimes at night, just because we're like, you never see 622 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: these weird human interest stories. Otherwise you got to turn 623 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,439 Speaker 1: into the local affiliate and see what's what. Thank god, 624 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: Mouth McFadden becomes a reporter later. Thank god. I wish 625 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: Lee Norris was a reporter. I'd watch him on the 626 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: news every night. He would be great. He'd be great, 627 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 1: would be so good. So military school for Felix, that's 628 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: a good end of the road for him. Does this 629 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: mean we're never going to see Felix again? I mean, 630 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. What an unlikable character. Honestly, anytime 631 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: he did something remotely nice, it just got tanked so hard. 632 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: I know, maybe we just had to. I think Dan 633 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: isn't is villain enough for tree Hill. I don't know 634 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,399 Speaker 1: that it was. I mean, Nikki, we've got nick you too, 635 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: who like pops in and out. But yeah, I think, 636 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: my god. I just also don't think the writers ever, 637 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: they never took Felix past like a cartoon character in 638 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: terms of his motivations. Dan was rooted in some things 639 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: that were really scary but interesting to watch and learn about. 640 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: Felix was just like a douche and they tried to 641 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,280 Speaker 1: clean him up by making him be nice to Brook, 642 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: and then Brooke just had to clean up after him. 643 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 1: I'm not mad about it or anything. It's fine. I'm fine, 644 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm you know. I think it just felt like more 645 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: of a device. He always kind of felt like, mar 646 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: do you feel like a device. And I think the 647 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: reason it really stands out that his character was a 648 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: device is because of how human they wrote Anna. Yes, 649 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: they didn't put the same effort into his character as 650 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: they put into hers. And it makes me sad because 651 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: in losing his character to military school, it also means 652 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna lose Anna like we lost and that didn't 653 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: feel fair. No, think about how different tree Hill would 654 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: have been if we'd had her entire trajectory through graduation, 655 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, or or like when we came back 656 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,800 Speaker 1: after the five year jump, Yeah, you know, like what 657 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: was Anna doing? Man? I wish we'd gotten her back. 658 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: That would have been Nate. Where was Anna? I just 659 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: kept thinking when he was like flipping out on her 660 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: in those scenes and he was like, how could you 661 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 1: do this? How could you do that? And she was 662 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: talking about how he always blames everyone for everything else. 663 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: I was like, welcome to Felix. It's called accountability, Felix. 664 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: A little dose of some accountability. Felix would be that 665 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: guy on Twitter that like is making bros Off comments 666 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: and it's like and then it's totally ridiculous. I said 667 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: something really horrible. Now I'm being canceled. It's like, no, 668 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: people are just following you because they don't want to 669 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: listen to anymore. Don't have a platform. You haven't been 670 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: canceled from anything. Be more like Jake Felix. We like Jake. 671 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: That's what we need on a T shirt. Like I 672 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: think everyone knows you, guys. I get so many comments 673 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: where people are like enough, I'm like, you don't tell 674 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: me what to do. Well Jake all day? If we 675 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: want to Jake all day? Does he is he in 676 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: the next few Like when does he? Because he goes 677 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: out again again at some right. I mean I think 678 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: he goes to prison at some point. Oh guys, the 679 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: fun part of this is it's kind of like reaching 680 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,959 Speaker 1: into a bag of tricks. We have no idea what's 681 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: coming now, we're skills. I feel like we've been really 682 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: missing it. We missed a lot of comedic relief in 683 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: this episode because the people who have been giving it 684 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: to us, whether it's you know, Mouth or Skills or 685 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: deb who else is our comedic relief? You know for 686 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: any of the River guys, We're missing all of that. 687 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:06,919 Speaker 1: And maybe that's why this episode felt like hard. Yeah. Well, 688 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: and and it actually makes sense when you put it 689 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: that way, why those characters aren't in the episode, because 690 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 1: this this one was meant to feel low. Yeah, you 691 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: know it. You're watching all these people having their world's 692 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:30,399 Speaker 1: torn apart. And and I'm curious where Keith's threat from 693 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: the beginning comes in, because at the beginning he throws 694 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 1: a window a window, Oh my god, a window from 695 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 1: the tower. Come on, throws through a window and says 696 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,479 Speaker 1: I have nothing left to lose, but you do to Dan. 697 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,720 Speaker 1: And then at the end of the episode he's just leaving. 698 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, is what's going on here? I want 699 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: to know what Key's revenge plan is because if we're 700 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 1: going dark, I want to go all the way. I 701 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: like this storyline for him. I like seeing him finally 702 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: having enough. Yeah, you you can only be the good 703 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 1: brother for so long. But we also loved the fight 704 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: in the dealership because it was just like three guys 705 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: in suits and there was so much like those guys 706 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:15,279 Speaker 1: and stripe and gray wool flying around the Henchman, you know, 707 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: his dealers like Tom and Jerry fight for the guys. 708 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: Guys and car dealerships don't wear suits now, they wear 709 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: slacks and those zip up fleeces with like colored shirts. 710 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: I never see a zip up fleece Vestigain telling him 711 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: it well. This also was the episode where Peyton and 712 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,760 Speaker 1: Brooke have their infamous damn it, I hate Monday's gift. 713 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 1: You know what I appreciate about our little podcast here 714 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: is that we also get lots of messages, not just 715 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 1: about how much you guys are sick of me talking 716 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: about Jake, but also about how we help out with 717 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 1: your Monday's. So I like that we come out late 718 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,320 Speaker 1: night on Sunday into Monday morning because Mondays are brutal 719 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: and we're super grateful you guys, spend true. I'm happy 720 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: to here with you guys on Mondays. Do we have 721 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: any standing questions? What do we got here? We go here? Okay, 722 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,479 Speaker 1: oh this is good. I've also had this question, Joy, 723 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: Laura wants to know. Is Haley's pinky ring something Bethany 724 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,720 Speaker 1: wore all the time which was added to Haley's character 725 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,280 Speaker 1: short for many years and I was always curious about this. Well, Laura, 726 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: that ring was given to me by a woman who 727 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: was sort of like a mother figure in my life, 728 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: who actually years later turned out to be a super creepy, manipulative, 729 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: psychotic woman. What So I don't know what that means anymore, 730 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: but that's the story. How have we never talked about this? 731 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: We have. It's within the greater context of some of 732 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,319 Speaker 1: the other things that were going on in my life 733 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: at the time. I see, yes, I understood you need 734 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: to jump into a cocktail. And I was about to 735 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: get excited and be like, Joy, do you remember when 736 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: we went pinky ring shopping and I'm weirdly wearing mine today? 737 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: Maybe I can help you reclaim a pinky ring. That's 738 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: what I need. I needed a pinky ring moment, because yeah, 739 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna get match, and I'm like, you know, was 740 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 1: it a promised ring? Did she make you promise your 741 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,240 Speaker 1: soul to her? She liked turned you into the picture 742 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: of Dorian Gray. It was like it was like a 743 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a creepy, manipulative way of trying 744 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: to make me feel like I was a part of something, 745 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 1: um and part of her family and like an ownership 746 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: kind of thing, you know, like when I when a 747 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,879 Speaker 1: guy who who gives brook jewelry in a creepy way. 748 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 1: This happened earlier in season one. It was Felix right 749 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: didn't like Yeah, it was kind of like that kind 750 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: of a moment where it's like you belong to me now, um, 751 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I had was having some strained 752 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,800 Speaker 1: relationships with my family at the time, and so she 753 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: she kind of came in at a moment that felt yeah, 754 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: and I was in my young twenties and it was like, oh, 755 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: this is great. It feels really like welcoming and awesome 756 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: and all kind of what I always wanted. And then 757 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: it turned out to be a whole sham. So um, yeah, 758 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,399 Speaker 1: I mean the pinky ring, that's where that comes from. 759 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,919 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's not a happy, exciting story. But I'll 760 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,279 Speaker 1: get a new pinky ring and it'll be better. Yeah, 761 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 1: we're going to get matching. And can I tell you 762 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:54,320 Speaker 1: guys something I have Years ago? I gave as a 763 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: gift to a friend of mine, UM, and the sister 764 00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 1: of a guy who I used to date when I'm 765 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: still good friends with UM, who had three kids. I 766 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,800 Speaker 1: don't know how I wound up on like some internet 767 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: rabbit hole and discovered that there are certain cultures or 768 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 1: the women were pinky rings in a stack for their children. 769 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: I gave her these three bands and three men nude, 770 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: and so I don't know, there's like there's like a 771 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,240 Speaker 1: whole cultural significance to women and their lineage with paint 772 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 1: to rest. Maybe we should just make that should I 773 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: love that? You know what? I want a big motherfucking 774 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: diamond for each of us, like on our pinky so 775 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: we look like like bosses. That's what I want. I 776 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: think we go big mafia rings. Yeah, yeah, I want 777 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,840 Speaker 1: to look like you know, I like a little bit 778 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 1: of a like a big chunky gold boot. I'm going 779 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,240 Speaker 1: so techy, so big. When we walk into a restaurant, 780 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: we knocked that thing on the table then people come 781 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 1: running and right, this is my favorite thing to find. 782 00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 1: It's things that are like jewelry or you know, clothes 783 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,439 Speaker 1: on it that are like, they're so awful, the hangar, 784 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,719 Speaker 1: you're like, it's it's so bad that it's got to 785 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,320 Speaker 1: be good When I put this on. Sometimes it really is. 786 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,879 Speaker 1: And I think jewelry can be the same way. Mm hmm. 787 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,360 Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna go to find something spicy to 788 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: replace that thing. Joy. Well, what about it? Okay, what 789 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: about you guys? So look, if you could change the 790 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: ship name of your person for your character? Oh this 791 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,280 Speaker 1: is from who's this from? Oh? Sorry, this is from Jade. 792 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 1: She's asking she's asking us, Um, if you could change 793 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: the relationship name the ship name. I guess I don't know. 794 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm not cool. Um, that's relationship the person your character 795 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 1: ends up with. Would you, for example, Layton to Pucus. 796 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,480 Speaker 1: That's so mean, that's terrible. Yeah, but I also kissed 797 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people on this show, So hold on, 798 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to do some wordle over here and 799 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,879 Speaker 1: figure out what my options are. I kind of feel 800 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: like the names, like ship names, end up being the 801 00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:03,840 Speaker 1: most obviously attractive sound in terms of combination of names 802 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: like what are you gonna call Brook and Julian like 803 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,879 Speaker 1: Julia like that would have been weird, like Bullian makes 804 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: more silent. Yeah, I think I think we hate it 805 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,800 Speaker 1: on Pathon, Oh my god, or Hay that would have 806 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:26,800 Speaker 1: been so weird too. Yeah, it's there's something about I 807 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 1: don't know they. I think they. I think they end 808 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: up where they end up in a natural sort. Hold on, Wait, Sophia, 809 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 1: you cringe though? Is ship not short for relationship? Am 810 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 1: I wrong? What does ship mean? Oh? You okay? Maybe 811 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: you're just cringing it like the idea. I think that's 812 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: an Eminem reference. Yea, from that so it's used as 813 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 1: a verb, yeah, like if you're if you're a stand, 814 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 1: like if you're a one direction stand, or like a 815 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 1: one tree hill stand. But the thing is is it's 816 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,280 Speaker 1: become synonymous with like super fan. But the stand reference 817 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:06,360 Speaker 1: from the Eminem song is like someone terrifying, terrifying the lexicon. 818 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:13,920 Speaker 1: The sort of colloquialism has changed from the proper or 819 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,400 Speaker 1: I guess, so it's used in irony is what you're saying? No, 820 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,800 Speaker 1: it's used no like I'm such a fan, I'm like 821 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: such a Oh my god, I'm such a stalker of 822 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,040 Speaker 1: that band. Right. No, that the stalker sense has kind 823 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: of dropped off and it's more like a super fan thing. 824 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: There's a whole generation of kids out there that don't 825 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 1: know the stand video there. It's a stand um okay. 826 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,720 Speaker 1: So with that said, of all the shows on TV, 827 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:51,279 Speaker 1: what ship do you stand your grandma? Wow? I got 828 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,920 Speaker 1: to think about it. Um. Oh gosh. You know what 829 00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,320 Speaker 1: I stand is that it wasn't ever or even a 830 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:07,479 Speaker 1: romantic relationship. Um. Don Draper and Joan Holloway. Oh. Every 831 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 1: time the two of them were on screen together or 832 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 1: working together, there was something about those two actors in 833 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 1: a scene together that made me love and I love 834 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,800 Speaker 1: those characters together. Sounds great. Yeah, So what would what 835 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:26,719 Speaker 1: would their ship be? It would be done, yeah, John John, 836 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, Er Holloway. It's got to be like 837 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 1: a draw away or oh see there you go. We're 838 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 1: doing it. Girls from doing it. Yeah. They on my 839 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: show they call me and Edwin Hodge because we're Samantha 840 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: Griffith and Malcolm Kingsley. They call us Griffsley and I'm like, 841 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 1: we sound like we came out of Harry Potter. But 842 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 1: I like it. I'm like, okay, oh wait, you know 843 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,440 Speaker 1: I love is the couple from yellow Stone the Oh 844 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,800 Speaker 1: my god, well I love Kelsey and her her boyfriend 845 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,879 Speaker 1: on that but her husband. Yes, but but the Kelly 846 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:06,600 Speaker 1: Riley and what are their names? I love them. That's 847 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 1: that couples. So I would like to be in that relationship. Yeah, 848 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: they're faster. I would like to be in that relationship. Yeah. 849 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 1: None of my ships are grown up ships. Um, because 850 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 1: my kids only watch kids shows and so jes no no, 851 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,520 Speaker 1: Gus went through a huge Zombies phase. Um, the musical Zombies. 852 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 1: And now George has caught onto it and there's cheerleaders 853 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,560 Speaker 1: in it, and she's just like so freaking into it. 854 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:45,919 Speaker 1: So yeah, freaking z and Addison. I'm a Zaddison ship friends. Yeah, 855 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 1: we had a whole new cheerleading pack coming up. Um. Yes, 856 00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,880 Speaker 1: it's a combination of all the stuff my family cares about, 857 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of sports, some undead and a cheerleading skirt. Fantastic. Oh, 858 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,960 Speaker 1: it's ripped, ripping Bath from Yellowstone. Our assistant just told 859 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,560 Speaker 1: us that, what's your what is that? That's ripping Beth 860 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,440 Speaker 1: from Yellowstone. That's a couple of yeah, but is that 861 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:23,839 Speaker 1: rethym Beth. We could play this game for hours. Guys, Guys, 862 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,440 Speaker 1: I think we might need to put ourselves to bed. 863 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,040 Speaker 1: Even though it's early in the day. We are going 864 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,800 Speaker 1: to spin a wheel. Let's do it. Who's going to 865 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 1: be our most likely to this week most likely to 866 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,279 Speaker 1: get a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. I 867 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't that be Hailey James? Oh maybe, I guess Hill? 868 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,839 Speaker 1: That makes sense? But also what about Rachel Gettina, because 869 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,239 Speaker 1: didn't she end up like being a TV host or something? 870 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,840 Speaker 1: That's right? Rachel definitely feels like she'd be. Yeah, she's ambitious, 871 00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: She's very ambitious. Yeah, for sure. Um. I also still 872 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 1: see Leonora's as getting I know he's our answer for everything, 873 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:20,120 Speaker 1: but honestly, a renaissance in real life. Barry Corbin Berry's 874 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,080 Speaker 1: been in literally everything, does have one. No, but he 875 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: should I don't know. Daphne also, by the way, definitely 876 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,839 Speaker 1: we need to start some petitions. Come on, kids, we'll 877 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,799 Speaker 1: get those lists going. The next episode is season two, 878 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,000 Speaker 1: episode eighteen. It's called The Lonesome Road, which doesn't sound 879 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,880 Speaker 1: like we're going to get a relief anytime, So I 880 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:49,399 Speaker 1: hope you're watching and enjoying and crying and laughing. Bring 881 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:54,440 Speaker 1: your tissues. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave 882 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram 883 00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,759 Speaker 1: at Drama Queens O t H. Or email us at 884 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,320 Speaker 1: Drama Queens at I heart radio dot com. See you 885 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,600 Speaker 1: next time. We are all about that high school drama. 886 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,359 Speaker 1: Girl Drama Girl, all about them high school queens. 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