WEBVTT - ICE’s Ethnic Cleansing in Chicago 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:05.000 Al Zone Media. 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:08.239 Welcome to it could Happen here, a podcast where the 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:12.879 it is the authoritarian takeover of the city of Chicago. 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.680 I'm your host, Mia Wong, and today is an episode 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:20.759 that was significantly delayed by the fact that our guests 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.240 got shot in the face by riot munitions while attempting 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.800 to cover an anti ice protest and an ice facility, 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:29.479 and then her coworker was fucking grabbed by the FEDS 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.800 the next day, which she was also still out at 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.440 for reasons that are semi incomprehensible to me, because again, 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:41.800 she was just shot in the face. Since this is Raven, 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:46.680 a journalist with the independent outlet Unraveled, which really truly 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.360 is doing a lot of incredible work on the incredible 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:54.360 proliferation of ice raids around Chicago. Raven, Welcome to the show. 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.720 Oh boy, oh boy? 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:05.120 Is right? Thanks for that intro. Yeah, we're in the 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.000 shit right now. We're in it. 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.679 Yeah, I guess it would immediately start this with you 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.120 are mostly you're basically okay from my understanding, from getting 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.240 shot in the face of the right munition like a 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:17.759 week ago. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:22.679 I am. I am basically okay. I have like some 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.720 swelling still in my jaw. I'm going to the doctor. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.520 We'll see like if there's any soft tissue like lingering 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.440 effects later on down the line. But nothing's broken. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.760 Yeah, which, thank god, holy shit, thank god that I 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.120 can really fuck you up permanently. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.720 Like yeah, I mean it's been several weeks now of 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:45.039 the fence just pummeling people with these stupid little pepper 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.560 ball rounds yep, and like the core of it is 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.320 like metal, you know, it's like this little bullet thing 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.640 with like the pepper powder on the outside. So if 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:56.400 you shoot someone in the face with those, I mean, 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.680 like we've seen horrific injuries these last few weeks, and 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.600 also like people getting concussions from like you know, sear 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:08.000 gas canisters exploding right by their heads and other things, 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:15.400 broken bones from these really violent arrests, and yeah, it's 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.639 just been awful. Not gonna lie. Yeah, I was shot at, 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.680 like literally, I was like taking a photo of a 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.880 fed like an oppressed gaggle. We were all hiding behind 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:30.160 this van while we're just like being shot at. And 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:32.960 this guy, I mean he stared right at me and 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:34.720 like right down the barrel of my lens, like he 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:35.680 knew what he was doing. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:37.200 Jesus Christ. 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.959 Yeah, another reporter. It was like a similar situation where 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.400 these guys like fucking ambushed them. Like it was just 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.160 two reporters like hiding behind a van, and these guys 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.480 came up along the side of the fence and just 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:54.280 started like shooting them in the face with these rounds. 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:58.320 Yeah. So, and this has been at the protests at 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.400 the ICE facility in Broadview. Yeah. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.880 Broby is like just a tiny little suburb, like just 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.960 outside of Chicago. It's Stilling Cook County, majority black suburb, 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.680 actually black working class, the mayors of Black woman And 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.440 now this ICE facility has been there for a while. Obviously, 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.240 people were protesting there weekly for like over a decade, 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.560 but nothing like what we've seen these last few weeks. 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:27.359 Yeah. Okay, let's go back in time a little bit, 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:29.720 because in between the last time we spoke to you 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:36.200 and now there has been so much unbelievably horrible stuff 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.680 in Chicago. I guess let's go back a couple of 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.160 weeks and talk about the guy they murdered. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:49.200 Yeah, so, shortly after this latest ice surge began, they 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:54.080 sailed a man at a traffic stop. Two ICE agents 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:58.000 who were seemingly operating completely alone, didn't seem to have 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.840 any backup with them. It was just these two guys 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:04.200 in this car who jumped down on the sky. And yeah, 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.680 it feels it feels like forever ago, but of course 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:10.840 it was only a few weeks ago. Yeah, and you know, 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.400 that's that's an example of just like a police killing 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:19.440 that we may never learn more about because you know, 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:23.520 it involves the FEDS, right, you know, there's no timeline 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.080 under which they have to release any information or like 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:30.360 tell us anything about their their own investigation into it. Yeah, 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:36.000 so that is of course really horrifying and horrifying to 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.120 know there's kind of these these missing few seconds of 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:43.080 video right where we don't see the actual shot fired yep, 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.159 or shots excuse me. We can sort of piece together 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.560 what happened, but you know, this happened in a working 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:56.120 class Latino suburb, heavily Latino suburb, not not very far 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.200 down the road from the actual ice. 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.160 Facility, because you were say, part of what's really frustrating 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.920 about this is we can't tell you why they stopped this person, right, 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.480 because they won't tell us, right, We know very little 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.960 about this other than they stopped the guy. He tried 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.479 to drive away and they shot him. That's like that's 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:17.839 all we know effectively, right. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.680 I mean they claim he had some traffic violations, which 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:22.600 is true, but I mean, like who doesn't. 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.120 Yeah, Like, I don't know. If we're shooting people for 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.240 traffic violation, this country is going to have like ten 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:28.440 people in it by the end of it. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:32.440 Like, yeah, he wasn't suspected of any like crime. 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:32.839 No. 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:37.479 I believe that it was just opportunistic, yeah, that they 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.360 were just looking for an easy target, and these guys 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.000 were acting like cowboys, I mean, like just doing this 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.599 jump out by themselves. And and also to be clear, 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.680 I mean like when they say he drove away from them, 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:51.640 I mean some of the video that we do have 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:56.400 it shows him slowly reversing backwards away from them. It's 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.919 not like he just drove over the agents. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.080 No no, no no, yeah. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.960 Which is was of course their initial narrative that he 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.000 like hit one of them with his car and all 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.680 this stuff that of course turned out to be false. 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.240 Yeah. And it's also frustrating too because you know, in 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.120 the app well, I would say in the absence of 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.320 better information, but it's the media. They will just straight 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:21.080 up print you know, no matter just how unbelievably absurd 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.040 the lies are, they will just straight up print Department 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:28.960 of Homeland Security press releases as if they have anything 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:33.520 to do with reality whatsoever. Even as it becomes increasingly clear, 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.480 even more of an it's ever been, that you simply 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.159 cannot rely on police press reports to understand what happened 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.400 in the situation. People will just keep printing that. And 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:45.200 so that's the first that's the version of the story 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.680 that goes out first, which is what everyone sees. Yeah, 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.320 and they don't see the video where it's very clearly 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:51.080 not what happened. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.800 Yep. It is a maddening situation. So yeah, I mean, 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:01.080 like that happened. And then almost immediately and like concurrently, 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:07.039 of course, all of this other ice activity started ramping up. Yeah, 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:11.480 and then around a week and a half ago, Bovino 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.360 showed up and Border Patrol showed up, And now it's 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.680 amped up even further because they're even worse than our 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:18.680 regular ice guys. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.760 Bovino and the Border Patrol people, those are the people 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.320 who seem to have been pulled out of Los Angeles 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:25.320 and deployed the Chicago. 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:30.680 Yeah, Bovino moved this sort of larger border patrol operation 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.600 here to Chicago. So there are border patrol units here 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:41.280 from you know, Arizona, from California, different places, and they've 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:45.760 been doing sort of a combination of like just strictly 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.720 cornyass propaganda ops, you know, like driving around on their 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:54.840 boats for photos, combined with like actual terrors, like a 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.920 few nights ago, hundreds of Feds rating an entire apartment 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:00.920 building of people in the middle of the night. 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.160 Yeah, and I think we'll get to that rate in 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:08.080 a second, because it was unbelievable, sort of gruesome and horrible. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.320 But yeah, I wanted to talk to you just about 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.760 sort of what the general sort of ICE operations and 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.400 then the border patrol operations have looked like in the 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.880 city and what it's been like being in a place 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.679 where there's just guys in mass dragging people off the street. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:28.360 It kind of feels like streaming underwater and no one 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.760 can hear you. Yeah, just sort of witnessing this every day. 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:38.720 And it is still highly dispersed, right like Chicago and 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.480 the metro area and the suburban counties where this is happening. 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.360 It's a huge, huge area. So, like we talked about 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:51.080 last time, it's a real challenge to focus people's attention 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:55.240 on because it can appear like the waters are calm 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.959 like where you live, you know, like they're doing any 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.000 of these very fast strike teams and this very dispersed way, 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.640 so by the time you even hear about it, they're 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.760 already gone. So many cars abandoned on the side of 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.800 the road. Was like windows smashed out Jesus Christ, like landscapers, 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.920 work bands and stuff. You know, like people are just 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.760 rapid responders are just getting to sites where someone's reported 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.920 something happening, and all they find is like a busted 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.880 out card and then they have to piece together like 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:30.360 potentially what happened. And additionally, the broad view so like 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:34.720 this ice facility where people are protesting regularly. You know, 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.840 it's not set up to be a permanent detention center. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.720 It's just supposed to be like a temporary stopping point 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:48.719 because Illinois doesn't have overnight immigration detention. So additionally, there 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.520 are like so many extra people crammed into this facility 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.600 that wasn't designed to hold them. Yeah, and of course 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.680 the conditions are horrible, you know, like they don't have privacy, 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.040 they don't have enough bath rooms, they're not getting fed, 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.760 they're not getting medication, you know, like after the kidnappings, 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:09.520 after the disappearances, then there's this pipeline of detention horrors 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.559 that people are enduring. So this is this is why 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.000 people are protesting, you know. I mean, this is why 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.600 people are out there yelling at the fence. Because the 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.000 people who are who are brave enough to go out 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.599 there and yell at the fence or to take the 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:27.280 pepper balls or what have you, they they are in agony. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.760 They're aware of what's happening. They're witnessing all of this 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.520 and feeling like this needs to stop. And there are 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:37.480 a lot of people hiding in their homes. Yeah, you know, 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:41.360 like like it it's true, Like I don't always want 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.080 to make like Holocaust comparisons because I feel like that 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.000 that's what we always go to. But I mean, like 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.800 that's the most apt comparison that becomes to most people's mind. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:50.040 You know. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.240 They think of like and frankiding in your attic, like 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.000 those kinds of things, and it's like that is literally 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.240 where we are at right now. People are literally in 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.880 hiding because they are worried that if they go to 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:04.480 Sam's Club, they will be cannapped by secret police. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:10.520 Yeah. I think the behavior that they've been exhibiting against 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.439 the protesters too, has been very, very similar to what 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:15.439 they've been doing to the people that they're grabbing off 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.080 the street. I want to talk to you a bit 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:22.520 about like what it's been like dealing with the way 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.840 that the Feds have been attacking the protesters constantly. 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:32.040 Yeah, well, these guys are fucking monsters. Yeah, I'm trying 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:36.000 to thread this needle for people of like, all policing 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.960 is bad, right, Like all policing is violent, All cops 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:45.040 are violent, But there is something different happening here as 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:49.200 a result of the fact that there is literally zero accountability. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:53.680 And I'm not suggesting that like police accountability isn't a sham, 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.440 because in general it kind of is. But I think, like, 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.679 you know, when you take away every single guardrail, these 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.400 guys don't have to identify themselves and they don't have 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.680 to answer to anyone. Yeah, their bosses aren't going to 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.560 write them up. You know. It's it's kind of like 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.480 with any other job, right, you know, take a city 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.320 cop here in Chicago. Of course, it's rare that any 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.200 of them ever actually get fired for the horrible shit 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.920 they do. But you know there's this sort of base 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.200 level of knowing, like well, I got to show up 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.000 to work every day with my name on my vest, 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.960 and I also have like all these other bosses and 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.600 all these other people who are gonna, like, you know, 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.560 maybe make my day harder if I like really fuck 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:40.400 something up, right, And so when we're talking about the FEDS, 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.720 there's just nothing. There's just nothing there. They can literally 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.400 do whatever they want on top of like just not 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:52.280 having the same level of like quote law enforcement training. 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:55.960 I mean, we've been watching these guys for weeks like 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.960 fucking hurt themselves with their papper ball guns like they live. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:04.199 I really are like dropping shit as they're on the process, 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:09.400 like like watching people have made like call of duty comparisons, 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.520 like prowdboy comparisons, and like it is kind of like that. 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.640 It's like if you just gave a bunch of chuds, 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.600 a bunch of like military and police care and we're like, 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.800 all right, go out and like pretend to be a cop. 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.880 And that's like literally what it feels like. And so 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.360 I'm trying to spread this deal for people of like yeah, 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.120 all cops suck, but like what's going on with this 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:33.000 is like so much worse. Like they're just out there 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.800 like shooting at people randomly, like and you know, for 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.520 no reason. Like it is just one of the craziest 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:40.720 things I've ever seen in my life. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.120 Yeah, And I also I want to put this into perspectives, 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.200 like you have also covered a lot of protests in 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:45.600 the city. 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.000 Yeah, I've covered a lot of cop violence. I've been 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.720 to a lot of protests, I mean hundreds and hundreds 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.400 and hundreds at this point, right, Yeah, And there's just 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.800 certain like things that you're used to seeing and certain 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.800 there's a certain predictability sometimes to like a lot of 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.280 them movement. And what's interesting too, is like in some 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.920 ways they are actually more militarized, just in terms of 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:12.000 like their riot formations and like how tightly coordinated their 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.760 units are because they practice and they train for like 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.440 crowd control stuff all the time. And then you have 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.640 these just like ice chuds running around with like way 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.680 more gear and they look way scarier, but they're like 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.440 way less organized and way more chaotic, and there's not 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.800 enough of them, right, so like they're not even like 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.400 doing a good job of like backing each other up, 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.280 you know, like in the field, like I'm just watching 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:39.360 them like leave their own backs unwatched and you know, 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.840 doing things that are like dangerous for them, Like they 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.000 want to act like a military unit, but they're like 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:46.920 definitely not. 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:47.760 Yea. 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.160 It's I mean, people have made the comparison of like 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.760 crowd boys, which I think I don't know, it kind 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.880 of works in a sense like street fighters because what 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.880 they're acting like, you know, yeah, it's just it's just 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:05.640 been super violent, super awful. Chicago does not have really 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.600 any experience with like these just FEDS in general, like 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.520 to this level. I know that out in Portland for 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.160 years now, like there have been various protests outside of 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.960 the ICE or something like, there's just there's been like 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.240 a lot more a lot more FED presence out in Portland, Seattle. Yeah, 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.640 throughout the past few years of protests, I've seen you know, 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.000 people interact with them, and we just we've had nothing 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:33.040 like that here. So this is also like very unprecedented 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:34.480 like for this region. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:39.360 Yeah, because usually CPD is like brutal enough that they 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.400 don't you don't end up with like yeah, federal deployments 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.480 and now it's like oh boy. Yeah. 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.840 Well and also keep in mind this is all happening 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.160 in broad View, so like they don't even have I 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:54.120 mean there's been there's been tensions and arguments and discussions 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.800 around what's happening with their local police department and just 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.680 sort of the interface here too, because it's like this 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.040 tiny little police department is now having to sort of 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.320 manage what's going on with this ICE facility, and they're 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.720 not directly like assisting ICE with croud control, but they 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:15.160 are like basically setting up a perimeter around the area, right, 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.760 and so then like there guys are getting to your 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:19.400 gas and like complaining about it. 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.040 Yeah, was it brought to you the police chief, who 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.320 like finally was like, oh holy shit, I've never been 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.480 treated this racistly by a police officer before. I was like, 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:31.560 oh my fucking god, Like yeah, you're just now realizing 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.720 that you're the baddie, Like when it finally like happens 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:35.360 to you, like. 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.560 Come on, oh yeah. 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.760 He he went on on like ABC or whatever and 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.040 was just did hit this whole interview about like, well, 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.760 ICE is disrespecting me as the police chief, and it's 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.520 just like like what did you expect? 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.480 Yeah, man, you signed up for the racist organization and 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.600 you were like, ah, yeah, I'm in charge of my 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.920 local by local chapter of the Racist Association, so it'll 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:03.000 never happen to be like, oh shit, you mean there's 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.119 other people who are higher up in. 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:06.880 The racism police, Like. 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.239 God, yeah. So that's been that's just been like a 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.600 weird side story to this of kind of like the 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:19.200 mayor and the police chief and the fire chief are 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.520 not thrilled about what's going on, and they're like looking 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.840 into the legality quote of the fence that isis put 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.879 up just like across this street that goes past their facility, 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.359 which is in this kind of like tucked away sort 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.320 of industrial park thing. But there are homes like right 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.680 on the other side, and you know, they've just blocked 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.679 off this entire street and there's like a business on 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:45.840 the other side. You know, it's like obviously a huge 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.960 fire hazard to just like block a whole road like that. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.840 They didn't ask permission to like put this up, not 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.760 to mention a hazard for the people in the detention center, 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.720 which is now boarded up and has this huge fence 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.520 across the street. It's like, oh my god, if there's 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.840 a fire or like an emergency and they needed to 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.480 evacuate the people inside. Yeah, I mean, like obviously people 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:05.960 would die. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.359 It's this incredible mix of both blatant disregard for the 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.919 safety of anyone involved and also just wanting to hurt people. 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.520 And it's it's this incredible fusion of they are both 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.720 incompetent and malicious, which is yeah. 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.560 Right, which is not a great combination. 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:39.000 No, let's talk about this raid in South Shore. Yeah. 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.080 Well, you know, we don't have a we don't have 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:44.920 a ton of details on the true extent of this 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:49.320 because it happened at one in the morning. So two 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:54.439 nights ago, hundreds and hundreds of federal agents showed up 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.960 to an apartment building in the South Shore neighborhood, which 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:03.359 is a predominantly black neighborhood where a number of newly 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:08.840 arrived migrants settled because there's cheap housing there. Yeah, so 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:13.080 when Governor Abbott started busting people here a few years ago, 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.000 that is one place where you know, a number of 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.080 people found housing. And unfortunately also too, there's like a 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:20.760 lot of slum lords down that way. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.840 Yeah, cheap housing means shit in Chicago. Yeah, of course, Okay, 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.479 I uee tents organizing that shity. I have seen shit that, 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.440 Like I have seen people sewage like running out of 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.240 their bathtubs. I have seen I have seen places with 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.600 no electric like literally no electricity, no lights, no running water, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.560 like actually literally like frozen solid in the winter and 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.159 no one can contact the landlord. And those were in 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.800 parts of the city that were like not even that 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.720 badly off. The apartment that I had there almost fucking 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:53.240 killed me from dust inhalation, and like that's like that's 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:57.000 like a like a normal cheap apartment. It gets so 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.320 much fucking worse. The pictures from like in side of 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.000 the apartment, not even just the parts were like, yeah, 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.159 the doors are blown off. It's like these apartments fucking 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.040 sucked because they're run by they're run by fucking slanlords. 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:14.360 And yeah, like the housing situation in Chicago, so much 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.840 of it is so shit is never going to get 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.760 repaired because these landlords don't give a shit because they 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.480 can just keep a distracting money from it because you know, 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:23.480 one can go anywhere else. 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:27.439 And yeah, yeah, I mean these people were living in 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.359 really bad conditions. I've heard that like a lot of 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:33.679 people were like scrippled, quadrupled up in units. You know, 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.840 I don't. I don't know what it looked like before 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:40.760 it was rated. Yeah, but it's like virtually empty now. 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.960 I mean like there there were some and to be clear, 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.639 like what happened to back up a little bit, you know, 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.760 they hundreds and hundreds of FEDS showed up with this 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.119 building in the middle of the night and reportedly detained 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.760 everyone in the building. So there were like, yeah, you know, 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:00.840 people in the building who aren't immigrants, like black people 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:02.800 who live in the neighborhood. You know. There was one 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.000 woman being interviewed on broadcast who's like an older black woman, 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.119 you know, who was just like, yeah, I was like 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:11.119 detained by the FBI, you know, like in the middle 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.200 of the night, like asking me if I'm a citizen. 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:17.680 You know, Like, it's just absolutely fucking wild that this happened. 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:21.000 Also as of today, granted this might change by the 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:22.000 time your podcast is. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:26.000 Out, importantly, So we're recording this the night of Wednesday, 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:30.359 October first. Who fucking knows what we'll have learned about 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.280 this or what will happen in between this and when 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:37.600 it comes out probably Monday, probably there will be new horrors. 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.560 If you've heard about like the horrors in Chicago, and 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:42.639 it's not in this episode. It's probably because it happened 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.280 after we recorded. Things are happening at a terrible rate. 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:49.880 Yeah, So as of today, Wednesday, October first, I could 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.520 not find a story on the sun Times or the 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:56.320 Tribune website about this raid. And I think, yeah, of course, 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:59.119 a lot of people want to indict mainstream media for 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:02.760 not covering things, which like is fair sometimes. Don't get 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:07.120 me wrong, They've been trying. Things are happening so fast now, 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.480 and there are so many horrible things happening every day 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:11.680 that like no news room can keep up. 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.199 Alert red alert. They did finally get a story up 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:19.120 five minutes ago, so mid I checked the book. They 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:20.360 got one up. They got one up. 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:21.880 Is the tribute the. 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.719