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Speaker 1: more difficult for Democrats following the debate in Pennsylvania. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the fastest hour in politics, as John Fetterman goes

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Speaker 1: in New York. Rick Davis is in Washington. John Fetterman

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Speaker 1: did withdraw it. But as far as the next year

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Speaker 1: support in both chambers, the House and the Senate. Republicans

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Speaker 1: and Democrats to continue supporting Ukraine and pushing back on Russia.

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Speaker 1: If you think about the military part of this, you

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Speaker 1: know the sixteen seventeen billion that we've spent on Ukraine's

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Speaker 1: military assistance. This money goes from the U. S. Treasury

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Speaker 1: to the Pentagon, the Pentagon to US defense industry. Its

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Speaker 1: strengthens our supply chains in the US, and then that

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Speaker 1: weaponry goes to the Pentagon again, and then we either

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Speaker 1: give them old equipment or in some cases new equipment.

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Speaker 1: But there's no lack of accountability on this. So I

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Speaker 1: think we have ambassad to thank you as always for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Kurt Folk, or former US Ambassador to

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Speaker 1: NATO here on Bloomberg sound On, will reassemble the panel.

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Speaker 1: Next you're listening to Bloomberg you sound on with Joe

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Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. We haven't even talked about Iran.

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Speaker 1: Yet another wrinkle on the Russia story today. The White

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Speaker 1: House is concerned about it that Russia using of course,

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Speaker 1: attack drones made by Iran and Ukraine now advising Iran

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Speaker 1: on tactics to crack down on protesters. Can you imagine

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Speaker 1: the advice from Vladimir Putin I'm Joe Matthew at World

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Speaker 1: Headquarters in New York. Thanks for joining us on Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: sound On. Jeanie Schanzano is here. Rick Davis too, Genie's

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Speaker 1: in New York. Ricks and Washington are signature panel here

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Speaker 1: on the Fastest Hour in Politics. Talked about this for

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Speaker 1: a big yesterday, hearing straight from Anthony Blincoln today in

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Speaker 1: our Washington offices. He was there at the DC Bureau

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Speaker 1: talking with Bloomberg about this, this threat of the potential

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Speaker 1: use of a dirty bo that could be another false flag.

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Speaker 1: This is what Russia specializes in the pretext right. Here's

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Speaker 1: how Blincoln put it. The reason this particular allegation gives

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Speaker 1: us some concerns because Russia has a track record projecting,

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Speaker 1: which is to say, accusing others of doing something that

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Speaker 1: they themselves have done or thinking about doing. But there again,

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Speaker 1: we communicated very clearly and very directly to the Russians

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Speaker 1: about trying to use this false allegation as a pretext

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Speaker 1: for any kind of escalation on Russia's behalf. Rick Davis,

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Speaker 1: the White House going out of its way on this

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Speaker 1: when they had John Kirby joining the Press secretary today

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Speaker 1: in the briefing room. You know things are getting serious

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Speaker 1: when the retired admiral shows up. How are you reading

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Speaker 1: into this chorus that seems to be growing louder. We've

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Speaker 1: heard of the you know, other pretexts like this, We've

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Speaker 1: seen Russia projecting like this. White House seems to think

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Speaker 1: it's pretty real. It's time. Well, they've used this kind

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Speaker 1: of intelligence and and and trying to get ahead of

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Speaker 1: these events like the invasion itself as a deterrent, right,

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Speaker 1: trying to bring old criticism to the door of the

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Speaker 1: Kremlin so that they don't make mistakes by doing something

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Speaker 1: really horrific like exploding a dirty bomb in in in

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainian territory. So I have no doubt the first

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Speaker 1: order of events is to ensure that nothing like this happens.

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Speaker 1: And so this kind of rhetoric is designed to deter

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Speaker 1: Putin from pulling the trigger on something like that. But

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Speaker 1: I think they've also led down, as Ambassador Volker said,

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Speaker 1: a pretty hard line on the fact that there will

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Speaker 1: be very extreme results if anything like this happens. So, um,

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Speaker 1: we'll see if Vladimir Putin takes any of this stuff seriously, uh,

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Speaker 1: and or whether he just is going to prosecute this

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Speaker 1: war on his own term. I don't know how you

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Speaker 1: avoid an escalation with the US or with NATO at

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Speaker 1: that point, Jennie, having heard what Ambassador Vulker said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: a conventional strike on on the Russian military, if that

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Speaker 1: in fact is connected to the US, I don't know

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Speaker 1: who would do that. I'm assuming he meant the US.

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Speaker 1: That would be our plan unless we had the Ukrainians

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Speaker 1: do it for us. It's the start of a new war,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. You know, as the President has talked about before,

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Speaker 1: that would be potentially the start of World War three

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Speaker 1: in the United States with this proxy war. Has you know,

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Speaker 1: tried as the rest of the West and NATO to

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Speaker 1: avoid that, But if they indeed engage in this kind

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Speaker 1: of dirty bomb tactic, I'm not sure how you avoid it.

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Speaker 1: To the ambassador's point, and let's not forget that Russia,

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Speaker 1: and we know this from the British Defense Ministry that

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Speaker 1: they are running low right now on artillery and ammunition.

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Speaker 1: Putin is cornered and time is running out because of

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Speaker 1: the winter approaching, and a cornered Putin is a dangerous Putin,

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Speaker 1: and that's why we keep hearing Ukraine say that they're

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Speaker 1: performing secret work at this you know, Europe's largest nuclear plant,

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Speaker 1: and it may be in preparation for the use of

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Speaker 1: this dirty bomb. So it is a very scary time.

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Speaker 1: And that is why, of course, you know, as you

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Speaker 1: hear from the progressive left and from the conservative right,

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Speaker 1: the idea of the United States may not be funding

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Speaker 1: support for Ukraine anymore, becomes even more dangerous for the West.

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Speaker 1: How different rick would be the use of a dirty

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Speaker 1: bomb versus a tactical nuke? And would our would our

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Speaker 1: response be measures depending on what was used? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's just circumstantial, is there all points out? You know,

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Speaker 1: using a using a nuclear reactor and and and and

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Speaker 1: exploding that is basically a dirty bomb, right, so um,

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Speaker 1: you know they've been threatening to do that for quite

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Speaker 1: some time already, and and so that that would have

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Speaker 1: an impact obviously on the surrounding area. Dirty bomb doesn't

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Speaker 1: have probably the casually rate unless they they do a

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Speaker 1: tactical and tactical nuke over the air somewhere to sort

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Speaker 1: of demonstrate their resolve. But all these things are if

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Speaker 1: if if they are, you want to just avoid that

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Speaker 1: by saying, look, you got a black sea fleet, it

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Speaker 1: disappears the day after you play with nuclear weapons, right,

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Speaker 1: and that is a problemise we can keep. But that's

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Speaker 1: also a new front in a new war, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the same process in the black Sea

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Speaker 1: fleet has been engaged in this war. And and somebody

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Speaker 1: sank one already. They're they're there number one musk of

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Speaker 1: a you know ship. The rest of them could all

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Speaker 1: sink on the same day, right, And so uh, there

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Speaker 1: is enormous military capacity surrounding the country of Ukraine within

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Speaker 1: the NATO alliance, and the overwhelming force it could be

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Speaker 1: brought to bear on any one target is beyond comprehension.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's basically what what Joe Biden is

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Speaker 1: is threatening Vladimir Putin with that. Woy Rick certainly put that, Well,

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Speaker 1: we talked about this, like we know what we're talking

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Speaker 1: about here, and we talked to a lot of smart people, Genie,

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Speaker 1: a lot of military analysts, people do great experience. But

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Speaker 1: to the point, to Rick's point, you couldn't possibly comprehend

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Speaker 1: what we could do to them. But that's also the

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Speaker 1: scary part of this story, that that would unleash to

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Speaker 1: your point, world War three potentially, that's right, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the people we hear from that are experts in this area.

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Speaker 1: To your point, one thing that they keep imploring the

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Speaker 1: administration and NATO to do is to work frankly with

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Speaker 1: people who have still some potential sway over Putin, and

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Speaker 1: that is primarily China and India at this point, as

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Speaker 1: you just mentioned, what's going on in iran Um and

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Speaker 1: so that's what makes what happened over the weekend with

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Speaker 1: jij and Ping that much more important as he becomes

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Speaker 1: leader for you know, the future, the rest of his

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Speaker 1: life in China, because we are at a certain stage

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Speaker 1: dependent on their ability to sway Russia, to sway Putin

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Speaker 1: and to hold this off. Those are the two leaders

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Speaker 1: the two countries, and jij and Ping and Moody that

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Speaker 1: could potentially do that and avoid this kind of disaster.

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Speaker 1: And yet it's hard to say at this point whether

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Speaker 1: we you know, we we we'd have any ability to

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Speaker 1: reach them, or that the president would. Certainly India and

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Speaker 1: Moody should should be reachable, but we haven't seen evidence

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Speaker 1: of that. Living next door to another nuclear power in Pakistan,

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Speaker 1: uh In our remaining moments with Rick and Jennie. We're

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Speaker 1: going to get back on the campaign trail, if I

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Speaker 1: can call it that for a moment here listen to

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Speaker 1: herschel Walker. Of course, in as we've described, one of

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Speaker 1: the other Senate races that's too close to call and

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Speaker 1: will help to decide the balance of power in the

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Speaker 1: United States Senate and in Washington. He's been really kind

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Speaker 1: of forward on the campaign trail since the debate. He's

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Speaker 1: handing out badges to people in the crowd. He's kind

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Speaker 1: of embracing some of the accusations that have been made

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Speaker 1: against him. My god, he went so far as to

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Speaker 1: compare himself to Ricky Bobby today. Listen, and I also

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Speaker 1: want to nodled my wife Julie, because she's in this

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Speaker 1: fight with me, and it is a fight, but they

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Speaker 1: don't know where to fight. I'm Ricky Bobby. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Somebody explained that to me later I saw that movie.

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Speaker 1: I'm still not sure I get the line. But but

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Speaker 1: hold on, we've got a new scandal on our hands here. Um.

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Speaker 1: Another woman has come forward. Jane Doe is represented by

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Speaker 1: Gloria Alread. Now. I don't know if this changes anything, Genie,

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Speaker 1: If this is a story that you know. Obviously he

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Speaker 1: survived a lot of allegations here of of paying for

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Speaker 1: former partners abortion. Now we have another woman who has

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Speaker 1: come forward. Listened to Jane Doe today. I was certain

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Speaker 1: that I was pregnant as a result of my relationship

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Speaker 1: with herschel and because I was not intimate with anyone

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Speaker 1: else at the time. He then drove me to the

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Speaker 1: clinic the following day and waited for hours in the

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Speaker 1: parking lot until I came out. He then drove me

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Speaker 1: to get medications and supplies as prescribed, and then drove

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Speaker 1: in the Holliday. Pretty tough to hear this, As Gloria

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Speaker 1: Alread holds up a photograph of herschel Walker in bed

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Speaker 1: Rick Davis, does it matter, you know, Look, it's another

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Speaker 1: bad week for herschel Walker on the campaign trail. Um

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Speaker 1: whether or not that impacts his base people who really

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Speaker 1: don't care about him, but one a Republican in the Senate,

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Speaker 1: so the Senate can be Republican majority. Uh, it's not

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Speaker 1: going to affect them. But in order to get there,

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Speaker 1: he's probably got a few, you know, tens of thousands

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Speaker 1: of voters who are going to have to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: what I gotta come to grips with this, and those

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Speaker 1: swing voters are going to be thinking about abortion going

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Speaker 1: into the election, and that's a bad thing for him.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen this move the nearly yet, really, Genie,

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Speaker 1: especially after the debate their their neck and neck. Does

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Speaker 1: this change anything? Yeah, and let's not forget early voting.

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Speaker 1: About one million voters already cast their ballots in Georgia,

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Speaker 1: so these late drops of information have lesson of an

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Speaker 1: impact than they used to do before we had so

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Speaker 1: much early voting in the United States. Um. I did

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Speaker 1: have to look up the rickey Bobby referenced Joe Matthew

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Speaker 1: because my movie Trivia escaped me Talladega Nights. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I've seen it. I don't know what's seen that.

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Speaker 1: What that was. I highly encourage you to watch that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I I was baffled by that, But now I'm sort

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Speaker 1: of we're getting to the good content. We're getting to

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Speaker 1: the good content, I guess. But the reality is is

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Speaker 1: this is another example, if it's proven to be true,

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Speaker 1: of hypocrisy and the part of herschel Walker because he

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Speaker 1: has taken a stance at least prior to the debate

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Speaker 1: that women in Georgia and around the country shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: an option and they shouldn't have there, not even in

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Speaker 1: the case for exceptions for rape or incest. He changed

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Speaker 1: that over the debate, and yet we've got another story

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Speaker 1: of what's not good for the American women is okay

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Speaker 1: for herschel Walker when it pleases him, And so if

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Speaker 1: it's proven to be true, it's that hypocrisy. But to

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Speaker 1: Rick's point, it's hard to know whether it matters or

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Speaker 1: not at this point. Yeah, when we're going to find

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Speaker 1: out real soon. The election is less than two weeks off,

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Speaker 1: whether you're looking at the Federman Oz race or the

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Speaker 1: Walker Warnock race. I had to think about that for

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Speaker 1: a second. It's going to be right down to the

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Speaker 1: wire and we may not know the day after who

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Speaker 1: won these races, which is something we're all trying to

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Speaker 1: get around in our heads here as we head for

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Speaker 1: the election night. Genny, thank you, great to have you

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Speaker 1: at World Headquarters in New York. Rick Davis in Washington,

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Speaker 1: will meet you back here tomorrow. On the fastest hour

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Speaker 1: in politics. Where does it go? This is Bloomberg, bloom