1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Build you from the inside out. 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: Now here's Jay Glacier. Welcome into Unbreakable and Mental Wealth 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm Jay Glazer. Today's guest is 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: amazing dude. And look before I get to him, though, 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: I think the ultimate badge of honor when you play 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: a position where your job is to make everybody else 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: look better and you do it so well they actually 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: have to put it in the Pro Bowl. That's how 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: great this man is. And I'll get to him in 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: a couple of seconds. If you're like many people, you 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: may be surprised to learn that one in five adults 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,319 Speaker 2: in this country experienced mental illness last year. Get far 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: too many failed to receive the support they need. Carolyn, 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: Behavioral Health is doing something about it. They understand that 16 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: behavioral health is a key part of whole health, delivering 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs 18 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: in tandem. Carolyn behavioral health raising the quality of life 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: from empathy and action. With that, I want to welcome 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: in this week's guest on Unbreakable, a Mental wealth podcast. 21 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: His job was to break a bunch of people when 22 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: he played for the Dallas Cowboys. There Pro Bowl full 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: back Darryl Moose Johnston, my teammate at Fox, also one 24 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: of the heads of the new UFL league that we 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: have at Fox and the Rock my niece. I like 26 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: to call them and their new league, My dude, How 27 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: are we, Budy? 28 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: Awesome? Awesome? How are you doing? Jay? 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Man, living the dream here man and 30 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,279 Speaker 2: listen Moose again before we can get into this. Moose 31 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: ran the USFL for Fox last year, had me come 32 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: in to do a mental health talk for the entire league. 33 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: So Fox is kind of ahead of the game of this. 34 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: And Eric changsar Bus Fossor or Fox once I wrote 35 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: my book, said you know what, I want everyone at 36 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: Fox to feel included, and actually brought me in to 37 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: talk to the whole company company wide and then put 38 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: it forth also to come down and talk to the USFL, 39 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: which was man a huge honor for me. Man, try 40 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: and help these young cats who don't know. Oh, it's okay. 41 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: And we got to start talking about our stuff to 42 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: each other and we could use each other our teammates 43 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: on our right and are left to be each other's 44 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: therapists if. 45 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: We need Yeah, Yeah, what a great event that was 46 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 3: Sixteenth Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama. Just unbelievable that 47 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: night and for you to be able to share that, 48 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 3: And I thought the greatest thing about the entire evening 49 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 3: was the amount of guys that stayed after and wanted 50 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 3: to talk to you and take it to that next level. 51 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 3: It's one thing to have the presentation and speak to 52 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 3: our guys and interact with them, but then when they 53 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: came up to watch you spend that amount of time 54 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: and really kind of dive into each individual that came 55 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: to was one of the more impressive things that I 56 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: got to see last season. So I can't thank you enough. 57 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 3: I know you stayed in touch with a lot of 58 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: those guys, and I know you made an impact on 59 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 3: the guys that were with us, you know, through the 60 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: course of the season, and they referenced it back and 61 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: forth a bunch of times. Zach Woodfin, who we just 62 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 3: lost to the Tennessee Titans, who was our strength and 63 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 3: performance coach who kind of coordinated that whole thing and 64 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: built our mental wellness program and worked with you hand 65 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: in hand and would talk to me all the time 66 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: and say, the guys continue to come in and they're 67 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: they're really opening up, they really are. Ja, you made 68 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 3: a great point. You know, something that was hidden and 69 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 3: we didn't want to admit to it years ago is 70 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 3: now being brought out into the light and discussed and shared, 71 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 3: and the guys are benefiting from it. 72 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: Man, I appreciate that so much. Going to gain me 73 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 2: being of service. That's one of the things that helps 74 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 2: the roommates in my head talk nicer to each other. 75 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 2: But you know what I know said to this group, 76 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: and I said, I'm now talked to a bunch of 77 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: tamp talk to the Colts last year, the Seahawks and 78 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: the Vikings the year before that. I'm like, listen, physical health, right, 79 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: is it's an automatic Like if you play a sport 80 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: like moose Wright, you're constantly running, You're constantly catching passes, 81 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: not because you have the drops, you're catching passes all 82 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: the time, right, And you know you're not just running 83 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: sprints when you think you get slow. You're always doing it. 84 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: You're always lifting to build up the physical barrier of 85 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: physical strength. But we only go to a mental coach, 86 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: if you will, which I call therapists. Mental coaches take 87 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: away the stigma, really go to that after the sky's 88 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: falling and we kill it. The sky's falling and it's 89 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: too late. So I'm like, man, you don't just run 90 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: forties when you get slow that you know, you don't 91 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: just catch passes when you have the jobs. Same thing 92 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: with the mental health. Let's start leaning in now. But 93 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: I guess there's not enough therapists out there. But you 94 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: can lean into your brother and your right and your 95 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: left and a that'll allow you to, you know, unpack 96 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 2: some things and work on your mental health. But be also, man, 97 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: the more I've done it, the more I've realized how 98 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: many of my brothers have needed that too and just 99 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: needed somebody to do it. And it got us so 100 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: much closer together. So if you do that, think how 101 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: much closer you're going to be as the team. 102 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, now take that. And you mentioned you talked to 103 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 3: Minnesota last year, two years ago. I think Kevin O'Connell 104 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 3: has done a great job with that of getting the 105 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 3: guys to open up and share, and you can't when 106 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: you come into a team from afar, you judge, and 107 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: we build our divides by a number of different things. 108 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 3: Socio socioeconomic backgrounds, race, a number of different things where 109 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: I'm not going to find a lot of commonality there 110 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: if you take the time, get to know people and share. 111 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: It's amazing how many similarities there are in our backgrounds. 112 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 3: Most of us have come up through similar paths, they 113 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: have faced similar challenges, and we don't talk about it. 114 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: It was always a sign of weakness. If you miss 115 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: a big lift, you know, everybody cheers you on, and 116 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: the next time you're coming in and if you've got 117 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 3: issues from a mental standpoint, you kept those hidden and 118 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: you kept them inside you. So I think it's great 119 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: that we're starting to really open up about this stuff now. 120 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 3: And I think Kevin O'Connell is one of the really 121 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 3: kind of forward thinkers in this. When you talk about 122 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: the NFL, and they've always got one of the top 123 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 3: places to be a player. When they do that poll 124 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 3: from the NFLPA Minnesota scores very, very highly across the board, 125 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: and I think it has a lot to do with 126 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell creating that environment for guys to realize that 127 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: we're not that different, we're very similar, and then that 128 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 3: starts to build that team camaraderieue camaraderie like you talked about. 129 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, then Vikings, we're the first NFL team going to 130 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 2: talk to Den Seattle and then Indie last year, and 131 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: certainly you know, go to the owners meeting open to 132 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: do that more. Because when you do. Look, everybody plays 133 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: in the NFL, you're fucked up, right, Anybody who goes 134 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: to fight, you're fucked up. And I say that with 135 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: a badge of bottom like I always say, I'm fucked up. 136 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: I'm good with my fucked up. There's at least I'm 137 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: learning to be. So you have all these people in 138 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: this room who you're fucked up. This or your anxiety 139 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: or your depression, whatever it is, whatever it's making you 140 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: fucked up. That that's what motivates us. That's what pushes 141 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: us and drives us to get to this level where 142 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: you're on the NFL level. And then all of a sudden, 143 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: we hide it, right if we start if we stop 144 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: hiding it and we start opening up to each other, 145 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: and you start realizing, oh shit, I am like everybody 146 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 2: else in here. That is, you want to talk about 147 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: the way to the world off your shoulders, Oh my god. 148 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the connectivity that that that generates immediately. I mean, 149 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 3: you just you take a relationship at one level and 150 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: you just take it to a completely different level. And 151 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: that trust that you build because of that vulnerability is unbelievable. 152 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 3: And how you talk about somebody, you can go through, 153 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: you can go through the battle together. You know, during 154 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 3: the course of training camp and you know back in 155 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: the day when we were there in Austin, Texas, you 156 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 3: know they're trying to break or will break your spirit, 157 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: and you learned about the guy that was putting his 158 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 3: hand down next to you, and you built that camaraderie 159 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: when you when you really become vulnerable and share and 160 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: talk about some really deep issues, some deep things that 161 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: that you're probably uncomfortable speaking to with virtually anybody on 162 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: this planet. And you share that with a teammate, the 163 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: guy that plays next to you, unbreakable bond start to form. 164 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like you, brother. Hey, so you're you're on 165 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 2: a team that had an unbreakable bond obviously, Dallas Cowboys, 166 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: and there are a lot of guys with issues on there. 167 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: Charles Hally was on this podcast talking about his issues. Obviously, 168 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: we know, you know there's a lot of guys who 169 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: have issues. Did you guys talk about it back then, 170 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: or did like if a guy got arrested, did you 171 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: guys just look away, or did you guys try and say, man, 172 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: let's let's talk about this. 173 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: Probably from a selfish standpoint, which is not the greatest 174 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: perspective to come from. Uh. The one that I can 175 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: remember most is Michael Irvin getting in trouble and getting suspended, 176 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: and we allowed bad behavior without reaching out to help 177 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 3: because it hadn't impacted us yet, and then all of 178 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: a sudden he misses some games and we're not the 179 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: same team without Michael Irban. I mean he was. He 180 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: was the heart and soul of those championship teams, and 181 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: without that emotion on the field, we just we just 182 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: didn't have the same energy. So we got mad at 183 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: him for not being available to play for us, and 184 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: so it came from a non positive perspective. Interesting, So 185 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: that was probably the biggest thing. You know, we needed 186 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 3: to find a way to do it where we had 187 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: been proactive. We saw the path that he was walking down, 188 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: and we intervened before and we waited until worst case scenario. 189 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: And now he's suspended and it's impacting the team, not 190 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: just him as an individual, and I think we looked 191 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 3: at that, Hey, if you're going to live that lifestyle, 192 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: if you're going to choose some of these things that 193 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: you're choosing, as long as it doesn't impact us, we're okay. 194 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: And then we waited until it impacted us before we acted, 195 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: and I think we all learned a lot on that one. 196 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 2: So it was just tough love back then, pretty much. 197 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, unfortunately unfortunate. Yeah, the nineties were still the tough 198 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: love era. 199 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: So look, you play a position. We again, it's like 200 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 2: your whole position is to make everybody else look better. 201 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 2: Now you obviously you know, caught it a ton of 202 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: passes there, I think your third all time and receiving 203 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: categories from the Cowboys for running backs. But really, your 204 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: job is to make everybody else look better, right, And 205 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure in high school and college the sean was 206 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: on you as you got in the NFL, and you 207 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: really did you have to train yourself going, okay, My 208 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: job now is not to you know, run the ball. 209 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 2: My job is to make everybody look better. Were you 210 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: able to? Basically I'm asking you take me inside the mindset, 211 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: but fullback. 212 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, it is kind of tough, right, it's selfless. 213 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: You're going to You're going to have to find a 214 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: way to legitimize what you're doing to kind of create 215 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: that passion. For me, I think one of the big 216 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: things was it was when I went away to college. 217 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: First off, yeah, I was listen, I was not. I 218 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: was a running back in high school, but I didn't 219 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: have breakaway speed. I was not this dynamic making miss guy, 220 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 3: you know, I was. I was a full back in 221 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: half backs, you know, you know, clothing. So I get 222 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 3: to college and immediately I moved the full back and 223 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 3: and that, uh, I've kind of become a helper and 224 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 3: a pleaser, you know, through my life. It was one of, 225 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: you know, the characteristics of my personality. So for me, 226 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: it was easy. And in Dallas, I could kind of 227 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: see what was what was building, and I knew if 228 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: I was going to be a part of that, this 229 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 3: was going to be my role. And so for me, 230 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 3: it was just Okay, here's here's my way to be 231 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 3: a part of something that I think is going to 232 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: be really special, and let's let's throw ourselves all in 233 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: on this one. And I did. I did enjoy it. 234 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 3: I loved the ability to to block for Emmett. I loved, 235 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 3: you know, helping out Troy. I loved helping out our 236 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: offensive line, you know, being that guy. You know, we 237 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 3: could we call him fixers, you know if you're if 238 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 3: you're a fan of the name of the movie. But 239 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: I was the wolf I was. I was Yeah, yeah exactly. 240 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 3: So that's you know, I kind of get with people. 241 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: You know, everybody needs a full back in their life, 242 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 3: you know, somebody who's there when when things are going rough, 243 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 3: and yeah, you help you get them out of a 244 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 3: tough jam. So it was something that I loved doing. Man. 245 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. I love that we 246 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: all need to fall back in our lives. Go ahead, man, 247 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I love that. 248 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it never it never seemed like some 249 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 3: people look at it and I've had I've had a 250 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 3: number of people go, how did you do that? I mean, 251 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 3: how could how could you play that role? And I 252 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: just it's it's what I really enjoyed doing. I really did. 253 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 3: It was never something I've ever looked back on and saying, 254 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 3: what what was I thinking? Why did Why did I 255 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 3: Why did I do that? I got a ton of 256 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: satisfaction out of it. It was my way to be 257 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 3: a part of something at the time that had never 258 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 3: been done before. Three Super Bowls in four years, So 259 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: it gave me the opportunity to be a part of 260 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: something absolutely incredible, you know, first time. Nothing better than 261 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: doing something for the first time, and that was my 262 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: vehicle to be a part of them. 263 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: Did you understand the magnitude also when like I said, 264 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: they they made full back a position in Pro Bowl 265 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 2: because of you. That's that's a pioneer. 266 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was probably. You know, through my career, I've 267 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 3: had other fullbacks come up to me, you know when 268 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: I'm doing the broadcasting and say, hey, thanks a lot man. 269 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 3: You know, if it wasn't for you, you know, none 270 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: of us would be going to the Pro Bowl. And 271 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: that that means more than I can express. You know, 272 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 3: Kyle used check today. You know, I looked up to 273 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 3: Tom Rathman. You know, Tom was the guy, you know, 274 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 3: when I was starting out, it was the guy that 275 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 3: everybody was looking up to. So, you know, he was 276 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: kind of the guy that I wanted to model my 277 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: style off of and to be able to kind of 278 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 3: share the field with him at times when the San 279 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 3: Francisco forty nine ers and the Cowboys played each other. 280 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 3: You know, I I always wanted to try and play 281 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: as well as Tom played. You know, he was somebody 282 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: that I really enjoyed watching. So when I have other 283 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: guys come up, you know, there was guys that I 284 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: watched it I really respected, you know, Lorenzo O'Neil. You know, 285 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: the length of time that Lorenzo played what I considered 286 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 3: to be the most physical position on the field, to 287 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 3: me is absolutely amazing for him to play. I think 288 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: he did sixteen years as a fullback. I mean that's 289 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 3: that's amazing. 290 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 2: That's longer than that. Yeah. And the number of ring 291 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: yard rushers he blocked for unreal m h. 292 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: I mean everywhere he went, everywhere he went there was 293 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 3: a thousand yard rushier. I mean it was unbelievable. So 294 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 3: there's guys that I watched, you know, through my era. 295 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 3: I still think the nineties was the golden decade for 296 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: full backs. If you go back and look at the 297 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: nineties and see all the guys that were playing in 298 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: the position at the time, as the receiver Tony Richardson, 299 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: I mean you just you start going through that. Sam Gash, 300 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: Lorenzo o neil, what we talked about and there was 301 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 3: a number of guys there were just really really good 302 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 3: at the style of play because it was a lot 303 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: of West Coast influence. Needed that that second back, but 304 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 3: that bigger second back that was athletic enough to be 305 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 3: a pass receiver, physical enough to be a lead blocker. 306 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: So you know, for me, I go back and I 307 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 3: look at those films from the nineties and you watch 308 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: the full back position and it's just awesome the guys 309 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: that were playing at that time. 310 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: So did Jimmy Johnson get on you less than everybody 311 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 2: else because of what you did? 312 00:13:55,640 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: No, you know, if you did it well, if you 313 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: did it well, you didn't really say anything. But yeah, 314 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: if you made a mistake, the one you didn't want 315 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: was Troy. 316 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 3: And that was one of my big motivations is I 317 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 3: did not want the stare from Troy because Jimmy and 318 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: Troy are two of those unique people that you want 319 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: to earn their respect. That's your motivation, you know, I 320 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: just want to do I want them to respect me 321 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: as a player. And guys that have that have that 322 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: look where when you make a mistake and they just 323 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: look at you, you're like, oh, God, like cut you 324 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: to your core. And you know, for me, that was 325 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: Troy I never wanted I got him once. I got 326 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: him once when I ran the wrong route and he 327 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: almost threw a pick. 328 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. People don't know what a bad motherfucker Troy and 329 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: his They see this pretty boy and the fuck that 330 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: he will fight you before you'll fight him. 331 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: Oh my god, the most competitive guy. And it's funny 332 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 3: because he'll go back and you see some of the 333 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: clips from back in the day when he's on the 334 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: sideline and he was I mean, he was the ultimate 335 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: leader in that team. And I tell everybody, you know, 336 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: back then, you didn't have, you know, the communication right, 337 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: so you'd be you'd be standing there and you can 338 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 3: see the quarterbacks, you know, like covering the ears and 339 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 3: they're getting the play and then they'd step back into 340 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 3: the huddle. WHI While he's outside of the huddle, Our 341 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: huddle is chaos. I mean, Michael Irvin, emittt Smith, Nate Newton, 342 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: Kevin Gogan, I mean, it's just blah blah blah blah, 343 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 3: back and forth. As soon as Tory walks back into 344 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: the huddle, you can hear a pin drop. Wow, because 345 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: everybody looked at him and he was the leader, and 346 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: and he might have stepped outside and and you know 347 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: the house is falling into chaos. As soon as he 348 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 3: steps back into that huddle, Boom, we're right back on task. 349 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 3: That was the respect that he had from those types 350 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: of personalities on that team. 351 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: The two best moments I've ever had in the history 352 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: of Fox I know, for me and I think all 353 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: our guys A that day that Jimmy Johnson got surprised 354 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: that he was going to make it in the Proof 355 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: Football Hall of Fame. And then last year when we 356 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: went to Dallas for him to be put in the 357 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: Ring of Honor, Uh, just incredible. And it's like, look, 358 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: you're a fullback. But I think for me too, like 359 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: when something happens for me, it's really cool. When something 360 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: happens one of your brothers, it's the greatest thing that 361 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: could ever happen to me. Give me your favorite Jimmy 362 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: Johnson story. 363 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 3: Oh wow. We were at training camp year one in 364 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 3: Austin and Bill Bates was one of those guys that 365 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: I think the organization was trying to move on from 366 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: for a couple of years, and Bill was just he 367 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 3: was such a leader. He played the game with so 368 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: much passion. I mean, if you just go back and 369 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: look at him, he was that guy. You know, where 370 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: do we put him? It didn't matter where he put him, 371 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: and he revolutionized special teams, right, He's the guy that 372 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 3: got the special teams position created in the Pro Bowl. 373 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: That's just who he is. I mean, he's twenty four 374 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: to seven football and he's also our union rep. And 375 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: so what an odd juxtaposition of a guy who's on 376 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 3: the cusp of being cut, but he's also our union rep. 377 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: And he's got to go have that hard conversation with 378 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 3: Jimmy Johnson because maybe Jimmy Johnson doesn't realize that during 379 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: the course of a seven day week in training camp, 380 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: there's one day that we have completely free of football. 381 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: And so Bill has to walk up to Jimmy and 382 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: try to get that point across and and he's like, coach, 383 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but you know, 384 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 3: during the course of training camp there is every seven 385 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: days we have to have one day where we're freeing 386 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: clear of football. And Jimmy just looks at him, dead 387 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: pan in the eye. He goes, Bill, I'm well aware 388 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: of that. And until somebody comes down here and tells me, 389 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 3: we can't do this. We're going to continue to practice 390 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 3: seven days a week. To practice is a day. But 391 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: thank you for the information. 392 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: So he's telling him, but I'm not here what you're saying. 393 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 3: Jimmy is here. What he is? What you say? 394 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: He is so much fun to work with. Dude, Man, 395 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 2: I love him, I really do. Like I I still 396 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: wait to wake up fifth grade and none of this 397 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 2: should happen, you know, like my mom wakes me up. 398 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 2: I never worked at Fox. My teammates are on Jimmy Johnson, Bratshaw, 399 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 2: Howie's strained card. I'm like, Oh, you gotta be kidding me, man, 400 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: he is. It's such an honor. Such it was so 401 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 2: cool this year to see how excited and exhilarated all 402 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 2: you were for him after all these years for somebody 403 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 2: was so hard on you. I realized, Man, he just 404 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: wants the best for us. 405 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think we knew that. I think that 406 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 3: that's one of the things. You know, He's one of 407 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 3: those guys that and I know this bothered him. He 408 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: wanted to be a part of that. He wanted to 409 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 3: have that kind of friendship thing, but he didn't because 410 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 3: he had to be the head coach, and sometimes as 411 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: the head coach, you gotta be a tough guy. And 412 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 3: I know that it bothered him at times. So I 413 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: know that that's something that he always wrestled with and 414 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 3: I hope he understands how much we respected him. And 415 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 3: for me that night that he went into the ring 416 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: of honor, the joy, not the happiness at a whole 417 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 3: different level. The joy that I saw on his phase 418 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 3: of the accomplishment and finally being recognized for what he 419 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: did for that franchise was unbelievable. 420 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: So now you're in a position here again trying to 421 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: be everybody's friend. If you're coaching him. Now you're the 422 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: executive vice president of a whole league right in the 423 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: UFL and where they're kind of all fullbacks threw all people, 424 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: kind of you're right now in that glory right now. 425 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: As far as being a you know, Pro Bowl quarterback 426 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: in the NFL, you're you're about developing people. Give me 427 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: the biggest things you've learned. I guess as a player 428 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: that you're able to use now to help mold these 429 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: young men who are trying to build their dreams. 430 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Jeff Fisher gave us to give this 431 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 3: to me year one. It's not about getting these guys 432 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 3: back to the NFL. They've already been there. It's getting 433 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 3: these guys back and creating the opportunity for them to stay. 434 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: So what do we got to fix down here? Why 435 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 3: didn't they stay last time they were up there? Because 436 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: most of them have the physical talents to do that. 437 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: You know, what is what is that missing component? Accountability, punctuality, study, skills, 438 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 3: There's a lot of other things when you talk about, 439 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 3: you know, personalities and being a pro in everything you do. 440 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: So for us, it's kind of looking at that and 441 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: we try to mold that, you know, during the course 442 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 3: of being down here in the UFL and competing for 443 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 3: you know, regular season championship in a postseason championship. So yeah, 444 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: that's That's the one thing that I really appreciate from 445 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 3: our coaches is they really kind of dig into it 446 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 3: and really they're into the details because I mean, you 447 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 3: know this, Jay, I mean, you've been around this game 448 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: is as much as I have. It's this, right, It's 449 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 3: always this, and whether it's a fraction of a second 450 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 3: or a fraction of an inch, we see it all 451 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 3: the time. So the difference is in the details and 452 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 3: the way the college game has shift when you talk 453 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: about preparation, the way the NFL has followed suit and shifted. 454 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 3: When you're talking about time on task. You know, you 455 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 3: just don't have the time to build the skills the 456 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: detail to play your position that you used to be 457 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 3: able to do when I was playing in the NFL. 458 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 3: So how do we get that done? And if you 459 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: can't do it up here, if it's not working for 460 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 3: you in the NFL the first time and you get 461 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 3: cycled back through, come to the UFL and let us 462 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 3: work with you and dial in those details, find out 463 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: what the why is, Why did you come back to us, 464 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 3: Why are you not back up at the NFL right now? 465 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: And let us help you get back there and stay 466 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 3: there this time. So that's that's one of the biggest 467 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 3: things for me. And we've been able to do it, 468 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: you know, for the last couple of seasons in the 469 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 3: USFL and get those guys to get up there and 470 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 3: stay there. And it's not just you know, we've got 471 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: some great stories, right We got Brandon Aubrey, We've got 472 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 3: Cavante Turpin both with the Dallas the Cowboys, and those 473 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 3: are kind of the dream fits. But we've got a 474 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: bunch of other guys who were up there as third 475 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 3: safeties or fourth linebackers or fourth tight ends playing special teams, 476 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: you know, that got back on those rosters just because 477 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 3: of the ability to shift the narrative or shift the 478 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 3: perspective of who they were from NFL scouts and general managers, 479 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 3: so us being able to give them the opportunity to 480 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 3: get out on the field played game speed. We're not 481 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: as fast as the NFL when you talk about game speed, 482 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: but we're much faster than practice. And these guys don't 483 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 3: have the time. There's not enough time to catch the 484 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 3: eye of the coaches anymore because of the amount of 485 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 3: time that they've taken away. So you've got some OTAs 486 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 3: that are what helmets and shorts. You know, there's just 487 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: we were when we went to training camp. It was 488 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 3: six weeks, it was physical, there were four games. I mean, 489 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 3: there was plenty of opportunity for you to catch an eye. 490 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 3: That doesn't exist anymore. So if you're a young guy, 491 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 3: or you're a guy on that cut line and you 492 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 3: don't pop and day one or day two, you're app right, 493 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 3: and let us get you back with us in the UFL. 494 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 3: Let's get that all corrected. So the next time you 495 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 3: go up there, boom, you're catching somebody's eye on day one, 496 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 3: day two of practice. 497 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: Right now, with the UFL, the film, that's what you want. 498 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 2: You have film intent, not just like you're saying shorts 499 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 2: and in a helmet. You can see actually how guys 500 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 2: are cast, and that's I think that's a huge difference, right, 501 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 2: that's Hey, everyone looks good at the scale, but when 502 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: the man knows hands start flying, that's why you really 503 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 2: can judge someone. 504 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, look at the combine, you know, we look at 505 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 3: the combine. We see some of these guys doing crazy stuff. 506 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: I mean, the measurables are off the charts nowadays, but 507 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: you put the pads on them and all of a sudden, 508 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: it's like, oh that's not what I expected. I expected 509 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 3: a little bit more there. So football is football, you know, 510 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 3: it's it's a it's a different animal and it's not 511 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 3: it's not about explosiveness and bench press numbers and vertical 512 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 3: jump and three cone and all that stuff. That's great, 513 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: but you know what I want to see. Let me 514 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 3: see the guy on film. Let me see how he 515 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 3: plays the game of football and hopefully then when I 516 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 3: go back and I look at the measurables, then they're 517 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: there now the validate who this guy could be. But 518 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 3: I need to see the football player first, because that's 519 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 3: the guy that we're going to hang our hat on. 520 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: I know what you know. 521 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: Again, Rock and I are very close down. Always talks 522 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 2: about when he had the XFL. It's just she's so 523 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: passionate about giving these cats a chance that he didn't 524 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: get right, that he wasn't able to follow through to 525 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: get to the NFL. He wanted the CFL, but not 526 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 2: the NFL, and I know that drives him. So when 527 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: he sees these guys kind of be able to take 528 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 2: that step, I know how much emotional equity that gives him. 529 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: When you see what you guys have been able to 530 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: do with the USFL and you see some of these stories, 531 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 2: what does that do for you? Behind your ribcage? 532 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: Everybody asks me why I do this? That's why it's 533 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 3: that cheese that you get from that. A guy like 534 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 3: Donald Parham from Stepson University, who I took in twenty 535 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: twenty with the Dallas Renegades in the XFL the first 536 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 3: go round. He's still with the La Chargers going into 537 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four season. That has shifted his trajectory 538 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 3: in life as a young man. You know, the financial 539 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 3: opportunities that he's going to have moving forward. Those are 540 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 3: the stories that you hope to replicate and duplicate as 541 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 3: you move forward. Football has been so good to me, 542 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: provided my college education, It's given me a great start 543 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 3: in life, kind of connected me and Diane, my wife, 544 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 3: which led to two great kids. You know, my whole 545 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 3: life has been about football. I've been doing this since 546 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: I was eighteen, you know, at a high level. I 547 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 3: mean my first football game was when I was eight, 548 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 3: you know, so we're talking fifty years. I've been doing 549 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: this for fifty years. This game. I feel like I 550 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 3: need to give back to it because it's been so 551 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 3: good to me that I can give back to it 552 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: and create opportunities for other guys to have that same 553 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 3: experience that I had. 554 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 2: Amazing, man, I'm excited for the XFL. I'm excited the 555 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 2: fact that it's merged together. I think you got two 556 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 2: superpowers joining and we can never have enough football. And 557 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 2: you know, for me, these locker rooms, they're great. These 558 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: teams that you build if you choose not to. You 559 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: never lose your tap. These are bonds that the rest 560 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: of the world kind of They don't understand how tight 561 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: you can get in that locker room. In build it right. 562 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 2: It's beautiful. That's why I'm still go and train every 563 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: day and get hit in my face by my friends 564 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 2: like I miss it too much? 565 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 3: Not too Yeah, the warrior mentality. It's a unique thing 566 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: that the NFL locker room. I think most people would 567 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 3: be horrified of it. We tell people all the time, 568 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 3: it is one of the most amazing living organisms I've 569 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: ever seen. It self corrects itself. It has no boundaries 570 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 3: talk about separation because it's one group unified with one goal. 571 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 3: And we don't see race, we don't see socio economics, 572 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: we don't see any of that stuff. We see somebody 573 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 3: that can help us win a championship. That's all we see. 574 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 3: And so that's it's one of the most amazing things. 575 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 3: And I know that most people that have never seen 576 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: it before would be horrified, but it is. It's absolutely 577 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 3: amazing when you talk about it. 578 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: If the rest of the world acted like a football 579 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 2: locker room, we wouldn't have so many damn problems. We 580 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't be so devisive, no doubt about it. Right, we 581 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: can laugh off anything. But man, you proy together, you 582 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: lift each other. It's such a it's a beautiful butt. 583 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 2: You're right. I wish people be horrified, but man, we 584 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: wouldn't be so damnsensitive with stuff. We'd learn how to 585 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: laugh shit off. 586 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 3: You can't be got sensitivity. Sensitivity is one of the 587 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 3: things that we haven't briaged outside the locker room. 588 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 2: Before I let you go, ma'm I ask every one 589 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 2: of my guesses, give me that moment in your life 590 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: that could have broken you, should have broken you, but didn't, 591 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: and as a result, you came through the other side 592 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 2: of that tunnel stronger and unbreakable forever. 593 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 3: Walking down the sidewalk to my college apartment with my 594 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 3: mom and dad and told them both, I think I'm 595 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 3: in over my head. I was the last scholarship offered 596 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 3: at Syracuse University. I came from a small hometown. We 597 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 3: didn't have great football there. It was one of those 598 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 3: situations where you're right on that cusp doing exactly what 599 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: you said. Told my parents, I don't think I can 600 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 3: do this. My dad looked at me in the eyes 601 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 3: and said I've watched you play football since you were 602 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 3: eight years old. There's no reason you can't do this. 603 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 3: He goes, just hang in there and just keep grinding, 604 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 3: keep fighting, and he goes, the worst case scenario is 605 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 3: you come out of this with no college debt and 606 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 3: you get a great start in life. And that was 607 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 3: my Richard freshman year. And had I not done that, 608 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 3: you and I wouldn't be talking right now. I know 609 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 3: that for a fact. So for me, I've got a 610 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 3: couple that I can encapsulate that were momentous shifts in 611 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: my life if I choose a different direction, and that's 612 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 3: definitely one of them. 613 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: That is amazing, man, that was your unbreakable moment. Mouse Johnston. 614 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: I appreciate you joining us real quick. Tll everybody where 615 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: we can watch the UFL. Give us the hospiel. 616 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to start up on March thirtieth. I 617 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 3: have Fox one o'clock Saturday, March thirtieth. We're going to 618 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 3: have the Birmingham Stallions versus the Arlington Renegades. So it's 619 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: going to be a matchup of the two defending championships 620 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 3: or two defending champions from both leagues. That'll be the 621 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: first weekend, that's opening weekend. We're going to be on ESPN, ABC, Fox, 622 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: you know FS one. I think seventy two percent of 623 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 3: our games are network games, So it's going to be fantastic. 624 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: You know, Fox and ABC and ESPN have given us 625 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 3: a great platform to showcase our guys. The talent level 626 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 3: this is going to be if you're a spring football fan, 627 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 3: and it's funny because there's so many people out there 628 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 3: that really embrace spring football. This will be the most 629 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 3: talented rosters you have seen in spring football since the 630 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 3: days of Reggie White and Jim Kelly and Steve Young 631 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 3: and Mike Rosier and Herschel Walker. That is how good 632 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 3: these guys look. It is different than it has been 633 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: when you go back and look at some of the 634 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 3: previous Spring leagues that have been in place, even our 635 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 3: USFL teams. And if you're going to be a great team, 636 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 3: if you're going to be a great league, you have 637 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 3: to have depth, and that's what we've been able to 638 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: establish through this merger Man. 639 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: I think it's more than if you're a Spring Football 640 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: League fan. If you're a football fan, you got football 641 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: in the spring, go watch it. It is very competitive, 642 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: great talent, and like you're saying, you're also giving guys 643 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: opportunity for that next step football. That's what football is, 644 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: an opportunity, and this is a great opportunity you were 645 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: giving these young men, Moose. I appreciate you joining us, 646 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: my dude. 647 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 3: Oh my pleasure. Great to catch up with you. 648 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: Jaymus Johnston here on the Unbreakable Mental Wealth podcast