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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna get a little bit rough. I'm here

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Speaker 2: for those who really believe in the American process, all

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Speaker 2: of us Street shot no chase with your girl Tessel

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Speaker 3: Net wording, all right, have you got our sister tessling

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 5: Hey, what's going on? Brother Nahenes.

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Speaker 1: I'm chilling, sister, sister Tess.

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Speaker 4: How you do I'm doing fine.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to tap in right quick and thank you,

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Speaker 2: uh for continuing the conversation. The entire reason to have

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Speaker 2: Tess on ten the new show on Revolt, make sure

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Speaker 2: Just want to remind people, you know, I just spoke

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Speaker 2: and I'm just excited that you guys are taking this

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Speaker 2: conversation further. I will not moderate and chime me in

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Speaker 5: But it's just, you know, a great conversation. I have

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Speaker 2: It is on YouTube where you can watch it from

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Speaker 5: And I'll just leave, you know, a couple of notes.

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Speaker 5: I've been rocking with Sonny for over a decade.

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Speaker 2: expressing themselves. We really can have a conversation about different ideas,

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Speaker 2: sometimes it's okay to disagree. We don't always have to

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Speaker 2: There are black conservatives, there are black liberals. Everybody's not

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Speaker 2: And my goal is that we understand that there's room

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Speaker 5: So I will certainly. And again, my platform is your platform.

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Speaker 2: to hear what you have to say. But I do

439
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Speaker 2: want to give this editorial note because this is important.

440
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: So the cutaways, you know, guys, I'm always trying to

441
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: teach people behind the scenes. The cutaways have nothing to

442
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: do with Gary. And I know a lot of people

443
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: have made comments, oh, why was this person on the

444
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 2: screen to that personal screen, So these are editors that

445
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Speaker 2: are just packaging this that has nothing to do. When

446
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: we had this conversation, it was a raw conversation with

447
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: nobody on the screen anywhere. So I do want to

448
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: make sure, just for the integrity of the conversation that

449
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: you guys are not associating. Because somebody even said, why

450
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: is there such or such up there with Malcolm X,

451
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, just focus on the content.

452
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Speaker 5: I didn't choose.

453
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Speaker 2: I did not choose you know who went on the screen,

454
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: and the producers really have nothing to do with the conversation,

455
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: and they don't live in our activism space, so they're

456
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: not looking at the same way.

457
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Speaker 5: A lot of people critic I'm just giving an example.

458
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Speaker 2: Let's say a lot we know that in the conscious community,

459
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Speaker 2: Oprah's not a people are not a fan of Oprah.

460
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: We would all agree with that. Put a one hundred

461
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: in the chat to you agree with that. People who

462
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: are not in this conscious space look up to Oprah.

463
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: So you have to keep in mind that the show

464
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: these are not editors from the conscious space. This is

465
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: why I keep going to involve you guys in what

466
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: I'm doing, because we do need different voices at the table.

467
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: It's not the Illuminati, it's not nobody made them do it.

468
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: It's not puppet sprints, streams and all of these made

469
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: up things. It's just everybody's not familiar with this side

470
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: of the conversation. So I do want to be clear

471
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: about that that when they were taught, they were not

472
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Speaker 2: talking to any of the cutaways. They had nothing to

473
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Speaker 2: do with that at all. Just wanted to give you

474
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Speaker 2: that editorial note. And also I just want to say

475
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Speaker 2: this on Gary's behalf. He has absolutely challenged the Democrats

476
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Speaker 2: without a doubt. In fact, the first clip that you

477
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: saw that they showed him, he was talking to, you know,

478
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Speaker 2: to Democrat leaders, so he had certainly done that just

479
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: an interior. But I do appreciate you also saying you

480
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Speaker 2: haven't seen everything that he's done, and that's also helpful.

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00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: But yeah, please don't don't hold those edits, uh to

482
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Speaker 2: me or the guests. And to further make sure that

483
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Speaker 2: I'm committed on that, I've even talked to producers about,

484
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Speaker 2: you know, making sure that during that process that every

485
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Speaker 2: single you know, every single thing that I'm involved in

486
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Speaker 2: that because I know how it can be missed, uh,

487
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Speaker 2: miss you know, miss, you know, a misconception with the viewer.

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Speaker 5: And that's why I'm listening to you guys.

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Speaker 2: There's a I'm not gonna sit here and correct everything

490
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Speaker 2: because I really want to know what you received, not

491
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Speaker 2: what the intent was or what we tried to do.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested to hear what you guys received. But I

493
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Speaker 2: thought the editorial note was important. Thank you, no.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, no, thank you, thank you and that I mean,

495
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: that's like I said, duly noted, and that's pivotal and

496
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Speaker 3: understanding because people were saying, you know, I've seen I've

497
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Speaker 3: seen some of the comments people. I think we've even

498
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Speaker 3: said that among ourselves about certain things.

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Speaker 1: I actually took a note, but I was like, Malcolm

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Speaker 1: X popped up. I was like, why the.

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Speaker 3: Right I actually took in this. I'm glad, I'm glad

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Speaker 3: that you've said that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got I'm like, wait a minute, now, hold up,

504
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: because some of the people do want to put on

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Speaker 2: the screen either. But see, that's a good example.

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Speaker 4: You know.

507
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Speaker 2: That's why you know when I say, people, instead of

508
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: building relationships and stop thinking everybody's against you that has

509
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Speaker 2: a show.

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Speaker 5: Or in the quote unquote mainstream media or evident.

511
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Speaker 2: No, it's about having a relationship and talking at least

512
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Speaker 2: with me.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you, hey, this is what they did. This

514
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Speaker 5: is what you know.

515
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Speaker 2: Now, everybody may not be that transparent, but for me,

516
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Speaker 2: I want you to know the process. Some things are

517
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: people are being pulling puppet streams, you know, some things

518
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: are strategic, some things are you know. But in this case,

519
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: you believe anything that my name's on. I'm gonna be

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00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: as transparent as I possibly can. Like I told them,

521
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: my grant is associated with this. So when you go

522
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: see that, you're thinking, oh, damn, but she put there

523
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Speaker 2: was one particular person. I won't throw that person's name out,

524
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Speaker 2: But that's not somebody I would have put on the

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Speaker 2: screen as a leader, you.

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Speaker 5: Know what I mean.

527
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Speaker 2: So they don't know that these are college students, a

528
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Speaker 2: lot of these editors that are just a lot of it.

529
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: They see them as leaders because that's what they see

530
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Speaker 2: in the community, you know, that's what they've heard. So

531
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Speaker 2: they oh, this would be great to put it in

532
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Speaker 2: the package. And typically quote unquote talent what my role

533
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Speaker 2: would be. The host is usually not an organizer. They're

534
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Speaker 2: usually just talent, meaning they just moderate a good a

535
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Speaker 2: good conversation. They're not on the ground, they're not having

536
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Speaker 2: these conversations. They don't know what you're talking to you

537
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: and talking to somebody else, and you know what I mean.

538
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Speaker 2: They don't have that insight, So it's not always trying

539
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Speaker 2: to be against us. They just simply don't know and

540
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Speaker 2: will never have any connection. If the whole time, you know,

541
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Speaker 2: people are shitting on me and or I'm not willing

542
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Speaker 2: to have a conversation with you, does that make sense, Like,

543
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: let's just add a conversation so we can.

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Speaker 5: Move better as a community.

545
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Speaker 2: And why again, for those who are listening, why I'm

546
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Speaker 2: gonna upload this conversation too straight shot? No chase a podcasts.

547
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: My podcast we can sit on here for five hours straight.

548
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: You can't do that in television. Television. You're sitting there,

549
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Speaker 2: and even then that conversation was longer, like I have

550
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: to sit there. We got to sit there a long

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Speaker 2: time just to get forty five milletes of content. It's

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Speaker 2: a lot of work. So these various platforms, at least

553
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to use. People get mad, Oh you should

554
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Speaker 2: have said this on a breakfast club. I literally have

555
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Speaker 2: ten minutes on a breakfast club. I literally have three stories,

556
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Speaker 2: two minutes apiece, three minutes apiece. I can't cover every

557
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: single thing, you know, so I try to give as

558
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Speaker 2: much game as I can, and thank you again not

559
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Speaker 2: Heim for doing this on your own. You know some

560
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: people call a cloud chase. You don't have to chase

561
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Speaker 2: the cloud because I'm gonna give it to you. I'm

562
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Speaker 2: literally handing you the cloud to have the conversation. This

563
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Speaker 2: is what white folks do. They put their stuff out.

564
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Speaker 2: When I did on Fox News, they did fifty other

565
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Speaker 2: things about it. Now when people are coming for me,

566
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Speaker 2: they make a hundred videos about what they don't like. Now,

567
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Speaker 2: where's the hundred videos about the conversation we just had

568
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Speaker 2: yesterday on Revolt. See they're not because they can't pigeon me,

569
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Speaker 2: put me in a box that they think I've lost.

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Speaker 5: You just hate conserved. That's when I did at all.

571
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Speaker 5: I don't like no coons. Let's be clear. I don't

572
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Speaker 5: like coons. Right, conservative are liberal. I'm not fucking with you.

573
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Speaker 2: But if you have a if you have a valid point,

574
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Speaker 2: even if it's not a point I agree with, well

575
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Speaker 2: we're not gonna do is put down black men, put

576
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Speaker 2: down black men. We're not gonna create this fake gender war.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: No, we're not gonna do that. We're gona have a

579
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Speaker 2: real conversation. But I don't see none of them making

580
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Speaker 2: no videos about this. So again I shout out to

581
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Speaker 2: you guys for having this conversation.

582
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 5: You're welcome to do it.

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Speaker 2: On anything that I do, I will promote it myself,

584
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: even if y'all are saying stuff that I may not

585
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: agree with, because that's whole point. Have the conversation. After

586
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: the conversation, and in this case, you can talk directly

587
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: to the horse. You don't have to sit up and

588
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: make it up and come and make up and make

589
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Speaker 2: up disc records and say all type of shit because

590
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 2: you're trying to get hits and lick and clicks.

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Speaker 5: Let's just have a real conversation, you know, because I'm

592
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 5: down to habit.

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Speaker 2: You know, I gotta throw that petty out there a

594
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Speaker 2: little bit, but.

595
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Speaker 5: Anyway, I'll throw it back.

596
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Speaker 2: I just want to give that editorial note.

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Speaker 3: No, definitely, definitely, oh many making dis records in forty

598
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Speaker 3: eight hours with the spaces and all kind of.

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Speaker 2: Right on, Like I'm a spoken one, nigga. Let me

600
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Speaker 2: get sixteen bars, let me get on it. Don't you

601
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Speaker 2: think when I ran in twenty eleven, I had an

602
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Speaker 2: entire damn near an album. Literally even now, to this day.

603
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: Nissidi got me coming in two weeks from now to

604
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Speaker 2: Orlando doing a poem that I did in twenty twelve,

605
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Speaker 2: So you'll be instead of making a disrecord, you should

606
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Speaker 2: have told me to get on it and drop sixteen.

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Speaker 2: That's how you advance, That's how you get the message out,

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Speaker 2: that's how you make it move. You ain't gonna bully

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Speaker 2: me into no conversation. You ain't gonna make me have

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Speaker 2: no comment. You ain't gonna tell me what to do

611
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Speaker 2: with I'm not one of them, So I'm trying. I'm

612
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Speaker 2: hoping people are saying this is how you build relationships.

613
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Speaker 2: Sitting back, couldn't talk about mainstream me. They don't do this.

614
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Speaker 2: They'll do that because y'all know how to build no

615
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Speaker 2: relationship with nobody. This is a relationship. Everything is a relationship.

616
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Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm gonna get all myself, I'm gonna turn

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Speaker 2: it back over to you.

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Speaker 1: I just definitely, definitely, definitely man.

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Speaker 3: So for anybody that's just coming into the room, we

620
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Speaker 3: are doing a recap of the debate that our sister

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Speaker 3: tells the figure Road hosted between Gary Chambers, who ran

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Speaker 3: for How I have a profile the US City.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I got it pulled up. I just didn't.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to the computer right now. You know,

625
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Speaker 3: very controversial figure on on the left. You know, the

626
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Speaker 3: brother has done commercials, ad advertisements, political ads, smoking bud.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I'm just burning the Confederate flag. I like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we we like that. We liked that

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Speaker 3: type of stuff over here. You already know we'll we'll

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Speaker 3: do no Confederates over here. But you know, they had

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Speaker 3: they had a good debate with sister Sonny Johnson. He had,

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Speaker 3: excuse me, a good debate with sister Sonny Johnson, who

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Speaker 3: is a black conservative. She does a radio show or

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Speaker 3: Serious x M. And you know it was basically, uh

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Speaker 3: you know, O Lead called it. He said he didn't

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Speaker 3: really see a winner or a loser. It was just

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Speaker 3: two people expressing what liberalism is and conservatism is to them.

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Speaker 3: And so you know, we're having a discussion about some

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Speaker 3: of the things that they.

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Speaker 1: You know, that they debated about.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm gonna I'm gonna get back to to

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Speaker 3: that because I want to start off with what Ibrahim

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Speaker 3: led off with, where Sonny said that we've always had

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Speaker 3: more than enough to get us where we need to go.

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Speaker 3: And the reason why I bring that up is I

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Speaker 3: vehemently disagree with that, right one to percent disagree with that.

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Speaker 3: But in the in the spirit of the topic of

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Speaker 3: a debate, where there are certain parameters, it's not necessarily

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Speaker 3: whether I agree or disagree with something, it's did the

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Speaker 3: individual stick to the premise and the parameters of the debate,

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Speaker 3: And that that's how I usually judged those discussion discussion discussions.

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Speaker 6: So Gary said community uplift, and I kind of gave

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Speaker 6: him a point for that. But then, like you said,

655
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Speaker 6: he comes back and he says, we have black wealth.

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Speaker 6: There's no metric and in anywhere in America where you

657
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Speaker 6: can measure any black wealth, right, we have the same

658
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Speaker 6: wealth positionality as when we, you know, just got out

659
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Speaker 6: of slavery and was in reconstruction. We're still about one

660
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Speaker 6: two percent of America's household wealth. And then for him

661
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Speaker 6: to kind of quantify that by naming a few billionaires

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Speaker 6: here and there. It would be different if he talked

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Speaker 6: about Labre of Heights, which is gentrified now, or he

664
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Speaker 6: talked about Prince George County, which is which is which

665
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Speaker 6: you know, has some black wealth. But also has bad

666
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Speaker 6: infrastructure from government in the black and also have a

667
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Speaker 6: huge wealth disparity in a big ghetto as well. So

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Speaker 6: I like, you can't quantify that with individuals. You would

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Speaker 6: have had to point to a black community and say

670
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Speaker 6: this community over here is worth X number of dollars

671
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Speaker 6: right the.

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Speaker 1: Points to say we can point to a few individuals.

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Speaker 6: It kind of muses his point, and and that's what

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Speaker 6: I kind of see a lot. I think that's one

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Speaker 6: of the recurring themes of some of the things that

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Speaker 6: he was saying. He would make a point, I would

677
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Speaker 6: be like, yes, and then the next minute he would

678
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Speaker 6: like break his own point down.

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Speaker 1: And speak to why it isn't true.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, that's all I had to say on the

681
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Speaker 6: we have black wealth thing, And I just want.

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Speaker 7: To clasify real quick too.

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Speaker 8: My point, my position is we we've we've always been

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Speaker 8: doing both right. We've always been uh trying to do

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Speaker 8: for self or doing for self, and we've also always

686
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Speaker 8: been we've been having no choice but to.

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Speaker 7: Try to have a collective approach.

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Speaker 8: And so it's just like, okay, which where why do

689
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Speaker 8: we need why do we think that it's okay to

690
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Speaker 8: separate the two that we need to do one or

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Speaker 8: the other.

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Speaker 7: So I just want to say, look, we I think

693
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Speaker 7: we need to do both.

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Speaker 8: Individually, we need to do the best that we can

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Speaker 8: do to move our families ahead, and collectively, we got

696
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Speaker 8: to have a mentality of making a collective pushing for

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Speaker 8: collective political power. And you know Gary got into that

698
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Speaker 8: some of that later and when he got into the

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Speaker 8: strategy back south.

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Speaker 7: But you know, some contradictions there. To go back to

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Speaker 7: your brother here, all right, So.

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Speaker 6: What I'm gonna do real quick when you speak about

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Speaker 6: the American freeman community, I don't even think do for

704
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Speaker 6: self needs to be brought up right. Nobody else falling

705
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Speaker 6: every war in this country, nobody else went through one.

706
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Speaker 6: Reconstruction went through one, civil Rights went through a second

707
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Speaker 6: civil rights. Nobody else has did more with less than

708
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Speaker 6: American freemans in this country. We have mutual aid societies.

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Speaker 6: Before we had banks. Then we created banks. Then the

710
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Speaker 6: government basically plum under those banks, created atmosphere and took

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Speaker 6: those banks away. We had cities that was, you know,

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Speaker 6: on the cuffs of really being something and being able

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Speaker 6: to build wealth and whole wealth. And the government and

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Speaker 6: their white racist, malicious came and they burned those cities down,

715
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Speaker 6: and they plundered it. And what they couldn't burn down,

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Speaker 6: they did it in policy. So I don't even think

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Speaker 6: we need to speak of that. We did more with less.

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Speaker 1: Than anybody else in this country, and we're still doing

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Speaker 1: it now.

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Speaker 6: We don't have wealth. But and we learned this from

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Speaker 6: doctor Derty's study. When you compare blacks who make the

722
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Speaker 6: same income as whites, they save more and they spend

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Speaker 6: more on their care education. So this idea that somehow

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Speaker 6: we need to be perfect before the government does for

725
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Speaker 6: us what it does for people that's not even citizens,

726
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Speaker 6: shouldn't even be in nobody's conversation, right. So this idea

727
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Speaker 6: that we can do both, we should be saying about

728
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Speaker 6: everybody else. We gave this country so much, it's time

729
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Speaker 6: for us to really do nothing and just get back.

730
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Speaker 6: So that's the whole point I'm trying to make. They

731
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Speaker 6: think this idea of like government handouts. We didn't get

732
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Speaker 6: the homestead at we didn't get the New Deal. But

733
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Speaker 6: but we fall in the Revolutionary War, we fall in

734
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Speaker 6: the War of eighteen twelve, we fall in the Mexican

735
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Speaker 6: American War, we fall in World War one we fall

736
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Speaker 6: in World War two. This country was a country before

737
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Speaker 6: the Italians got here, before the Irish got here, before

738
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Speaker 6: the police got here. They are the ones who came

739
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Speaker 6: and got hand outs. We haven't got our just due yet.

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Speaker 6: So this idea that everybody speaks song about about do

741
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Speaker 6: for self and rugged individualism, say that to the people

742
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Speaker 6: that's coming over from Venezuela and Mexico. I don't think

743
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Speaker 6: we should ever fix our mouth when somebody says that

744
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Speaker 6: to us, we should just look at them and give

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Speaker 6: them the really ma remarks. You know what I'm saying, like,

746
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Speaker 6: it's you stupid or is you dumb? We built this country,

747
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Speaker 6: what do you mean? But yeah, let's get back to

748
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Speaker 6: the conversation.

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Speaker 1: We turned.

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Speaker 3: We tendn't on ten right now. We tessn't on ten

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Speaker 3: right now, guys, sister.

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Speaker 9: Tell.

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Speaker 2: Everybody if you're just not tuning in, you're listening on ten.

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Speaker 2: The recap hosted by Be the Power. I wanted to

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Speaker 2: throw out a question for you guys. I want to

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Speaker 2: hear your answer on that, Nahim, because basically what I'm

757
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: hearing is that Gary did not, or at least you

758
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Speaker 2: guys didn't hear his position on what a liberal is

759
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: and fair enough, but he did talk about one point

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Speaker 2: and I know we've had this conversation before, and I

761
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Speaker 2: know you guys have this all the time on Twitter space,

762
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Speaker 2: which is having the ability to be able to talk

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Speaker 2: to have access to be in the room. And so

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Speaker 2: since you guys are reparationist and you know you and

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Speaker 2: I have talked about this Nahim on how you know

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Speaker 2: the Republican Party, since you guys were talking about to

767
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Speaker 2: do for self and you know the no government spending,

768
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Speaker 2: how they feel about reparations.

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Speaker 5: Now, I am one to believe that you.

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Speaker 2: Guys need to take over the Republican Party, just like

771
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Speaker 2: black people need to take over the Progressive Party. That

772
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Speaker 2: need to have more leaders that think like us in

773
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Speaker 2: a Democrat party, we need people all the way across

774
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Speaker 2: the board. So I do understand the ideology of hey,

775
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Speaker 2: just get in and take over the Republican Party and

776
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Speaker 2: make it be what you.

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Speaker 5: Wanted to be.

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Speaker 2: But I do want to ask question to you and

779
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Speaker 2: to the room, what was your thoughts on Gary's point

780
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Speaker 2: about you know, talking to people that will you know,

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Speaker 2: more than likely never you know, be for reparations or

782
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Speaker 2: be for the things that you advocate for because I

783
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Speaker 2: strong and again there's a difference between conservative and Republican

784
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Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter how much it makes sense. And

785
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Speaker 2: I hear the argument so on it's gonna make sense.

786
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Speaker 2: It's gonna say the tax is going to put money

787
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Speaker 2: back into the account. The bottom line is one of

788
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: the ideology in the Republican Party is that do for

789
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Speaker 2: self and nothing else. They do not like spending taxes period.

790
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Speaker 2: And I know there's the argument of how it's not

791
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Speaker 2: going to take out tax money and all that, but

792
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Speaker 2: I just don't see it happening with the Republican Party.

793
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Speaker 2: So one of his points was why not work with

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Speaker 2: progressives or Democrats or other you know, people that can

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Speaker 2: what they call closer to the dollars. So I want

796
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Speaker 2: to know your your thoughts, hear your thoughts on that

797
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: on what is it about, How is what is your

798
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Speaker 2: your journey being a conservative reparationist, and how do you

799
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Speaker 2: see that party being able to advance that type of policy. Now,

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Speaker 2: also for clarity, you guys know, I believe in the

801
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Speaker 2: local and state level, so commissioners and state reps and

802
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Speaker 2: all of those like we like we're seeing in these

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Speaker 2: cities that can push reparation style, you know, policy that

804
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Speaker 2: can eventually bump up to the federal That's what I

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Speaker 2: personally believe in.

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Speaker 5: Those are non partisan positions.

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Speaker 2: But since you guys do talk about the federal level

808
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Speaker 2: a lot in Congress and so forth, how do you

809
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Speaker 2: see yourself, you know, maneuvering that as a as a

810
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Speaker 2: conservative in a party that doesn't like spending on anything,

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Speaker 2: much less black people.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to clarify, I'm not a conservative.

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Speaker 1: I'm a socio I'm a social conservative.

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Speaker 3: But I get what you mean, right, and I want

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Speaker 3: to I'm gonna use I'm gonna answer your question by

816
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Speaker 3: using some of Gary Chambers's words, because what you ask

817
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Speaker 3: kind of to segue and segued into what.

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Speaker 1: I was what I was about to get into.

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Speaker 3: He basically he had said that the only place that

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Speaker 3: he could stand on his blackness was in the Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: As matter of fact, he said that I think, verb

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Speaker 3: betam that the only Democratic Party mean excuse me, the

823
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Speaker 3: Democratic Party, not the Republican Party. And he said that

824
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Speaker 3: the Democratic Party was the only place where we could

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Speaker 3: have a seat at the table, and that at this

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Speaker 3: table we would have debate.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: So in that he didn't speak to any policy prescriptions

829
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Speaker 3: at all. He just said we could have a seat

830
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Speaker 3: at that table so that we could have the debate.

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Speaker 3: And the Dems they asked for our votes, and we

832
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Speaker 3: give it to them only so that they could turn

833
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Speaker 3: around and give benefits and advantages to other people. So

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't think that the solution lies with

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Speaker 3: any of the political parties as they're situated. Which is why,

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Speaker 3: and I'll use Gary Chambers' words again here, we push

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Speaker 3: for radical federalism to whereas we flood our southern states

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Speaker 3: where our ancestors were enslaved, that where we have somewhat

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Speaker 3: of well, I don't want to say majority, We don't

840
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Speaker 3: have a majority, but where we have more of a

841
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Speaker 3: demographic majority than we have in other states. Right, So

842
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Speaker 3: in New York City you may have twenty five no

843
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Speaker 3: excuse me, what is it, three million black people, but

844
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Speaker 3: that only represents twenty five percent of the total population,

845
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Speaker 3: whereas in Mississippi you have less black people, but that

846
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Speaker 3: black population makes up about thirty six thirty seven percent

847
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Speaker 3: of that population. Then we get to elect our own senators,

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Speaker 3: we get to take.

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Speaker 5: On the phone.

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Speaker 1: That's right, No, that's right, he gets in that.

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Speaker 2: He's right, that was saying, well, everybody basically just paraphrase,

852
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Speaker 2: and everybody's not gonna move to the south. He is

853
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Speaker 2: all about this Southern strategy of you know, going there

854
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 2: and having a black representation. The Sun's position was okay,

855
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Speaker 2: like a lot of conservatives, we have all that representation,

856
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Speaker 2: but still nothing's getting done.

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Speaker 5: So he is very he's aligned with you on that.

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Speaker 5: Did you hear him say that part?

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Speaker 3: No, No, that's that's what I was saying, Like, we

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Speaker 3: we definitely agree with with like see, we're we're we're

861
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Speaker 3: not looking at this thing and the like we listen

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Speaker 3: to someone like Roland Martin, right, he always shooting these

863
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Speaker 3: little shots at us, talk about you dumbasses.

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Speaker 1: Uh you you need this amount of.

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Speaker 3: Votes and you're not gonna get that from the Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: But we're not going to get that from the Democratic

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Speaker 3: Party because, as we point out often, the Democratic Party

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Speaker 3: does not support reparation. Janet Yellen was asked during her

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Speaker 3: trip to the slave dungeons on the West coast of Africa,

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Speaker 3: you know, now that you're here, basically does this make

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Speaker 3: you in the administration, you know, want to do reparations,

872
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Speaker 3: and she said, no, that's not something on our agenda,

873
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 3: but we do speak about having other programs. When Tommy

874
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 3: Turberville opened up for Trump at that racist clan rally,

875
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: and what is that Mississippi, Tennessee, wherever the hell he's from,

876
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: and he said, black Alabama, they want reparations for the

877
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: crimes that they commit.

878
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: A CBS news the.

879
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: Next morning, what's her name, sister dale King did the

880
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: report and in that report she highlighted a quote that

881
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 3: said the Democratic Party does not actively support reparations.

882
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: So reparations is something that.

883
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: We as a collective are going to take into our

884
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: own hands.

885
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: You know.

886
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 9: That's just to directly answer your question, question, question, Okay.

887
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 7: I want to add to that.

888
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,959
Speaker 8: Because I think when we give any type of push

889
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 8: that against any proposition against a person that's on the

890
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 8: Democrat side or progressive side, and it's like, okay, you're

891
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 8: against everything or you're against that particular party, you must

892
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 8: be conservative. We have a consciousness that comes from a

893
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 8: perspective of Okay, there's conservatism, you got progressivism. But if

894
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 8: we look at things from a freemanism perspective, So what

895
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 8: freemanism is is we look at every policy, every piece

896
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 8: of legislation or proposed policy legislation.

897
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 7: Every tective action, all these type of things.

898
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 8: Any type of news, we look at from the perspective

899
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 8: of how how does this positively or negatively impact our

900
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 8: people today and our future generations. So when we look

901
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 8: at things on the on the Democrat side, it may

902
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 8: be something that positively impact.

903
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: We look at something on the Republican side, it may be.

904
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 8: Something that positively impacts or or vice versa, or so

905
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 8: you know, it's just that when it comes to reparations,

906
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 8: obviously it's something that both of them are going to

907
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 8: have a position against. And it's because we don't have

908
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 8: enough power to make that come to fruition. And so

909
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 8: I want to say when we look at a lot

910
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 8: of things that the Democrat side, uh, the position that

911
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 8: they take. What we see is a lot of times

912
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 8: we see E racism and E racism, E racism is

913
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 8: I look at E racism is racism where they it's

914
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 8: like they're a willingness let you be a race. And

915
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 8: on the Republican side, we got straight up racism. Oh

916
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 8: for good old fashion racism. Uh, that's in your face

917
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 8: that they don't want to include you or anything. The

918
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 8: other one is like, okay, well we're just gonna overrun you.

919
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 8: So that's those are the that's when we look at

920
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 8: things from the free minism perspective, we can we're able

921
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 8: to see things. Okay, it's not his grass is not

922
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 8: green on either side, you know, until we until we

923
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 8: get enough power to be on either side and we

924
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 8: we actually planted some grass. We just got red clay

925
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 8: or we got you know, moss, so we got you know,

926
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 8: we don't have any grass.

927
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 7: So uh back back to you.

928
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

929
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 6: About about Gary Chambers talking about, you know, him not

930
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 6: being able to talk to people from the other side

931
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 6: of the political hour, his comment was, actually, a zebra

932
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 6: doesn't change his stripes. So basically, the way you start

933
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 6: is the way you're gonna finish. That was a point

934
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 6: that I have to disagree with. I'm not saying he's

935
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,479
Speaker 6: absolute wrong, but he was wrong because you know, I'll

936
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 6: give you three examples. When it came to Abraham Lincoln,

937
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 6: when it came to slavery, that was a position that

938
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 6: he actually switched on. People called him a flip fhopper.

939
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 6: When it came to Lynda B. Johnson and civil rights,

940
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 6: that was a position he actually flipped on. If we

941
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 6: think about currently, when it came to Barack Obama and

942
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 6: the LGBTQ rights, that was a position that he actually

943
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 6: flipped on. So this idea that you don't talk to

944
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 6: somebody that's not neutral or luke warm that may be

945
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 6: an opposition to what you want is just absolutely not true.

946
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 6: That's why I respect the work that Sonny Johnson and

947
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 6: a lot of the black conservatives is doing over on

948
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 6: the right in America.

949
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: We just have to be honest. We have two political parties.

950
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 6: That win elections, right, especially when it comes to the

951
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 6: federal election. Now, you might win like some local stuff

952
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 6: as an independent, but even if you win as an

953
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 6: independent or a libertarian, eventually after they win that race,

954
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 6: they'll end up going over to one of the two

955
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 6: major parties. So really, then when it comes down to

956
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 6: local politics, we have two parties, and as black voters,

957
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 6: we need to be present in both those parties. I

958
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 6: notice that the reaction to black women conservatives is different

959
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 6: than the reaction to black male conservatives. That's why I

960
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 6: respect you know a lot of those black women that's

961
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 6: over there trailblazing and lean away.

962
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just.

963
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 6: Thought Gary Chambers was wrong when he it said like

964
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 6: he you know, you know one thing.

965
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: Is that.

966
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 2: Before you you expound on that, what is the reaction.

967
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: I'm just curious, what what reaction do you see with

968
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 2: black women? What reaction is different? Is it more acceptable

969
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: not acceptable? Expound on that if you don't mind, I'm curious.

970
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: It's extremely more acceptable.

971
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 6: When you go back to the Trump presidency, I can't

972
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 6: think of his name right now.

973
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: The pastor from Cleveland, Ohio.

974
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 5: Every time somebody pastor Scott.

975
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 6: Pastor Scott, every time somebody would meet with him or

976
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 6: take a picture of then his cabinet. You know, they

977
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 6: just got a bunch of anks and iron from the

978
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 6: black community. They got called names. You know, you a coon,

979
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 6: you a your uncle Tom, you a Sambo, you a

980
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 6: this or that. But then somebody like Ama Rosa got

981
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 6: to come through and it was just black girl power,

982
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 6: black girl magic.

983
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 1: She's she's doing great things.

984
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 6: When you think about to the Bush administration with Condoleeza Rice,

985
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 6: you know, they they don't get the same ire as

986
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 6: black men. When when IQ, who's not a Republican, had

987
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 6: a meeting with Donald Trump, man that that man felt

988
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 6: of the whole Democratic Party black women, even some black

989
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 6: men just jumped on him the whole time there was

990
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 6: there was a black woman that he met with to

991
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 6: have the conversation. He never personally met with Trump, and

992
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 6: and that part of the conversation just got new to out.

993
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: It's like, now, we don't even care about the black.

994
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 6: Woman who works for the Trump campaign who reached out

995
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 6: the you and that you met with to try to

996
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 6: push your policy. We just care that a black man

997
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 6: is meeting with Trump and he might influence other black men.

998
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to give a little bit of pushback

999
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 2: to that. Well, your opinions. You're serving your pinion, so

1000
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: not some pushback, but I just want to give you

1001
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 2: some nuances. So I know Pastor Scott personally. You know,

1002
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: when he was on the Trump campaign, we met in Cleveland.

1003
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: Pastor Scott's was absolutely not was criticized for various different

1004
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: He has a very aggressive style, so a lot of

1005
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: his pushback because basically he'll cuss you out, you know,

1006
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: like straight I don't know if you get matter of fact,

1007
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: you can go listen to the podcast of Pastor Scott

1008
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: and a couple of years ago under straight Shot No Chaser,

1009
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: and his style of how he presented Trump and basically

1010
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: cussing folks out and going off on folks and you know,

1011
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: saying how he introduced Trump to gangsters and all of that.

1012
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: So a lot of his blowback was more centered on

1013
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: his personality opposed to James pastor James who rolled.

1014
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 5: With him, that was a little bit more received.

1015
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 2: But I want to be clear about this that black men,

1016
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: whether it's Democrat or conservative or not always received well.

1017
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 5: So let me just be clear about that.

1018
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: I don't think if you're not towing the line on

1019
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: the Democrat side, they don't want to hear what black men.

1020
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 5: We see that now would black men not be listened to?

1021
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 2: So I want to put that out there first that

1022
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: I don't think black men are respected either or because

1023
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 2: the germom Cat Party uplifts black women and completely ignore

1024
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: black men.

1025
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 5: So let me first put that out there. But I

1026
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 5: just wanted to.

1027
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: Speak specifically to the individuals you mentioned. Am Morossa was

1028
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: never accepted. In fact, when she went to the NABJ

1029
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: that year, they bowed her ass after room.

1030
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 5: So nobody said Amrossa was black girl power.

1031
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: Am Rossa was always looked at as an entertainer that

1032
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: was rolling with Trump because she was with Trump before Trump,

1033
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 2: you know, was running for president.

1034
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 5: For president Conzali's the rights. I would agree with.

1035
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: You on that that there was respect for her the

1036
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: same way there was respect for Colon Powell because of

1037
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 2: what they've done, you know, as conservatives and their careers,

1038
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 2: and Palace is a good example of a black conservative

1039
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: that was always respected at least for the most part

1040
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 2: on the right and lefs. So I think when we

1041
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 2: say uh, they're they're more accept acceptable. I just don't

1042
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 2: think people want to hear a voice some black men, period,

1043
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: unless they're toning the line just to you know, put

1044
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: that out there. But if you would listen some black women,

1045
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: some black conservatives will tell you that the road hasn't

1046
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: been easy with them with dealing with majority white men

1047
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: because white men don't want to hear from from women

1048
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: a lot in the Conservative party because it can be

1049
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: very sexist.

1050
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 5: Even in the conscious community.

1051
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: I know nobody want to hear that, but there's a

1052
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: lot of sexism in the conscious community as well. There's

1053
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: some people right here who are listening right down to

1054
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: make everything about gender, everything about women, everything women versus men,

1055
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 2: women versus men. So the conscious community is not always

1056
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 2: that accepting the women as well who are outspoken. So

1057
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 2: I just think when it comes to gender and that conversation, Uh,

1058
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: there's work in both areas if you are somebody that

1059
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 2: is bold and standing on your you know, on your truth,

1060
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I think I think people

1061
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: like us are gonna have a hard time no matter

1062
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: what side we.

1063
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 4: On, especially if you start talking black politics. That's right

1064
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 4: as long as you do that. Because didn't that happen

1065
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 4: to Richard Still? Didn't that same thing? Sure with the Republicans.

1066
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 4: I think they started, you know, treating.

1067
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 5: Him Michael Still, Michael.

1068
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 4: Stone, Michael Still, Yes, was over the.

1069
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was over the R and C.

1070
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 2: And again, Uh, the majority of people in the Republican

1071
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: Party are white men, so they're not really trying to

1072
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: hear from women period, even white women. You know, Nikki Hayley,

1073
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 2: they'll they'll they'll bump her up now, but they're not

1074
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: going to go the distance. So they're still, y'all do

1075
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: no sexism exists?

1076
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 7: Right?

1077
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 5: Y'all would agree with that, right there?

1078
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: There's such things as sexist okay, So there's a lot

1079
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: of that in the Republican Party as well. But I'm

1080
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: honest enough to say that, yes, uh uh, the Democrat

1081
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 2: Party has uh basically positioned uh based upon the numbers

1082
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: of black women, uh having more power, if you will,

1083
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: than black men, and not listening and telling black men

1084
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: to fall in line.

1085
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 5: And you just don't know what you're talking about.

1086
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 4: You know, Simon Sander's right, she was saying black men

1087
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 4: need to shut up or something like that.

1088
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Speaker 5: She's not the only one.

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Speaker 2: Several half you know that that's just the the tone

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00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 2: of if black men need to get in line and

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00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: and and be quiet. You know so, And even though

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00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: I advocate for black men all the time, men still

1093
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 2: come at me all the time. You've seen that, Naim,

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00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: no matter how many ways I rock with black men,

1095
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: no matter how As a side note on my My

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00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: shouw tess on ten, I had four guest co hosts.

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00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: I made sure that they were all men, all alpha men.

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00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 2: It was very important to me to show a conversation

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Speaker 2: being moderated because Gary was my co host. He wasn't

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00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: just my goat, my gu he was my co host.

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01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 2: So I made sure that they were all men. So

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01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: even when I'm trying to make space for men, I

1103
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: still get criticist look at all the videos about me

1104
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: that they said the worst thing that could ever happen

1105
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 2: to black women and the worst thing that ever happened.

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01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 2: There's a guy called thy Man something. What's the name

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01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 2: that I checked before that coon forgot his name, Reynard.

1108
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: He writes an article about me every every ninety days

1109
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 2: about I'm the worst woman ever. You know, So we

1110
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: get it on both sides when you speak in truths.

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01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: I think they probably did. When I did that interview

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Speaker 2: with Ramasamy. You remember my names. You had to step

1113
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: in like it was men making videos calling me cunts

1114
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: and bitches and all types of women coming for me too.

1115
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't think it's always a gender thing.

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01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: I think is what you're saying, what's coming out of

1117
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: your mouth. My voice is too strong, I'm too aggressive,

1118
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 2: I'm too to this, I'm to that.

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01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, all of that.

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Speaker 2: And as matter of fact, speaking of tracks, I did

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01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 2: a whole track call for ten years ago. So I

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01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: think it has more to do with what you're saying,

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01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: and and and and Darryl Scott is a no host bar.

1124
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 2: Don't give a damn what you think from the streets

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01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: of Cleveland will tell you his story. Hey, i'd've been

1126
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Speaker 2: on heroin dope drugs whatever I'm with Trump.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, you know, ham Erosa isn't no Southern bellleizer.

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Speaker 6: But the thing about Colin Powell and kind of Lisa right,

1129
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 6: is that even though Colin Powell was a Republican, he

1130
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 6: publicly came out and supported Obama and even cried when

1131
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 6: Obama won presidency.

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01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 7: So he.

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Speaker 2: The right, No, but before that, everybody always had a

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01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: general respect for Colin Power, you know, always.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying that, so.

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01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and people still call constantly right se coon

1137
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: too like that.

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01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 5: She didn't escape it. But they weren't.

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01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: They weren't playing politics. So you got to look at

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01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 2: pastor Daryl Scott was a sarrogan, so he he was

1141
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: out here fighting, you know, arguing and fighting. We did

1142
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: many shows together. Am Rossa was out there arguing and

1143
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: fighting consling's rights. Colin Powell, they were in the administration,

1144
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: so they weren't taking the heat, if that makes sense.

1145
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: They weren't put in positions to have to defend themselves

1146
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: or to be talked about. They had their heads down,

1147
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: was doing a job, if that makes definitely. As Scott,

1148
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: that's all he did was look for the smoke. Literally,

1149
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 2: one of the best says.

1150
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 3: Follow the brother on Twitter. Man, he'd be going there.

1151
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 3: He'd definitely be going there.

1152
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 5: So he got smoked. Welcome smoke.

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01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: Indeed. Indeed.

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Speaker 6: All right, so let me I guess we can get

1155
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Speaker 6: into this original list argument now.

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01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 3: All right, all right, so you you want to, all right,

1157
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 3: you get into the original list because I was actually

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01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 3: going to the constitution anyway.

1159
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: He started starting. You know that's how Lee will house man.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So right, so then you just come, you and

1161
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 3: Josh y'all, you know, give a follow up to what

1162
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 3: Gary Chambers was saying about the Constitution, and you can,

1163
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 3: you know, get into the originalist argument and we'll break that.

1164
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just throw it to y'all.

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01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 3: I got a thousand notes, but for the sake of time,

1166
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just throw it to y'all and we'll go

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Speaker 3: from there.

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01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: So let me see, let me see.

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Speaker 3: He made several claims about the Constitution that I thought

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Speaker 3: were extremely problematic because if you are a politician in

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Speaker 3: this country and you do not understand the Constitution, I

1172
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 3: don't understand your position as a politician. It is that

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01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 3: Constitution that gives you the power to run in a

1174
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 3: representative capacity, whether it's locally, whether it's a senator on

1175
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 3: a state or federal level, et cetera, et cetera. So

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Speaker 3: I was confused by some of his statements, and so

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Speaker 3: I want to I want to bring some of those

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01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 3: up and have our league go in and then Josh Ebraheen,

1179
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 3: you know, you could come on the back end with

1180
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Speaker 3: the you know, the originalists argument, because I think he

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01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 3: misunderstands what originalism is. And I don't want to shoot

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Speaker 3: down everything he said in that regard about originalism because

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01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 3: I kind of understand it in the same way he

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01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 3: views conservatism.

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Speaker 1: But we'll flesh that out. So he said the Constitution

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Speaker 1: did not consider us in its inception.

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Speaker 3: You know, we will get into Justice Curtis and Justice

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01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 3: Maclean's dissent.

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Speaker 1: And dread Scott that that's just simply not true.

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Speaker 3: He says, basically that we the people, and I'm paraphrasing

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01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 3: right here, we the people were white men only, meaning

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01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 3: we were not included when this Constitution was being drafted. Again,

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01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 3: that's simply not the case. And I thought Sonny hit

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01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 3: back with a perfect shot when she said, can you

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Speaker 3: imagine how things would be for us without the Constitution.

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01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 3: And he shot back and said that we advanced in

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Speaker 3: spite of the Constitution. And I thought that that was

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Speaker 3: completely and utterly asinine.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think that this is an.

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Speaker 3: Area where we kind of lend to the conversation and

1201
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 3: education across the board, because you have to have, in

1202
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Speaker 3: my opinion, a working knowledge of the Constitution and the history,

1203
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 3: especially as an American freedman aka a black person, aka

1204
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 3: an African American in this country, because well, without the Constitution,

1205
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 3: you don't get what's called the second Founding, which is

1206
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 3: the reac Instruction amendments. These amendments were specifically designed for us.

1207
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 3: The problem came with what's called judicial construction over tra dictum,

1208
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 3: where the justices gave opinions as opposed to interpretations of

1209
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 3: the actual texts of the Constitution, et cetera, et cetera,

1210
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 3: et cetera.

1211
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Speaker 1: So, Allie, what are your thoughts.

1212
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 3: On Chambers is chambers stance on what he said about

1213
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Speaker 3: the Constitution about it.

1214
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Speaker 1: Not being a document for us.

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Speaker 3: You know, he made several claims that I just I

1216
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 3: don't know, I thought they were problematic.

1217
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, Now this is a point where actually.

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Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, your value is law or is that me?

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Speaker 1: Can y'all hear.

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Speaker 4: Check one?

1221
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: Okay, so my value went little?

1222
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 4: Why well, let me just stop me if it sounds

1223
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:04,479
Speaker 4: lower than anybody else.

1224
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: No, go ahead, bro, I guess this is my phone.

1225
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: I just went off speaker for whatever reason.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, So nah, I was gonna say that I

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Speaker 4: agree with Sonny's position on it that our people advanced

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Speaker 4: due to the Constitution. Now, he also made the statement

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01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 4: that we had certain folks and our you know, certain

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01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 4: people who were pushing against the constitution is what made

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Speaker 4: you know, whether they were able to make certain strides,

1232
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 4: And that's not the case. What was being done was

1233
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 4: they were enforcing it. They were they were forcing the

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01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 4: nation to actually stand on the principles embedded in that right.

1235
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Speaker 4: So you can't say that they were pushing against it.

1236
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 4: They were using it and making the government or holding

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01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 4: the government accountable to living up to those principles. So again,

1238
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Speaker 4: like we were saying, it has a lot to do

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Speaker 4: with understanding the history of constant of the Constitution, of

1240
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 4: self constitutional law, the things that comprise constitutional law, and

1241
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 4: where all that stuff came from, how it came about,

1242
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 4: and if you could, nahim, because I can't do it

1243
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 4: right now, if you could pull up the Peace from

1244
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 4: Justice Curtis, because I think we need to reference that

1245
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 4: at some point right where he's.

1246
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Speaker 10: Talking about the people who were a part of the

1247
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 10: who are part of the States, who helped to ratify

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Speaker 10: the Constitution, and how that also applied to them.

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Speaker 4: So the fact that about it is Constitution is not

1250
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 4: just the United States Constitution. But you got to look

1251
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,440
Speaker 4: at it from the standpoint of the Declaration of Independence,

1252
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 4: because Constitution really just doubles down on what was outlined

1253
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 4: in that declaration. And the Declaration it says that all

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01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 4: men were born free and equal, and you know, you

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01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 4: have these unalienable God given rights which government is instituted

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01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 4: to protect. Now, the thing about it is most of

1257
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 4: us were taught that this was for white men. The

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01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 4: problem is when you look at the debate surrounding all

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Speaker 4: of these things going into the Declaration, going into the Constitution,

1260
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 4: but you find out is that there were certain people

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01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 4: who wanted to ensury certain things in them documents. Some

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01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 4: people wanted it to say all white people were born

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Speaker 4: free and equal, but that was voted down. That was

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Speaker 4: voted down. When it came to the United States Constitution,

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01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 4: some people wanted it to actually say in the future,

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Speaker 4: the so called fugitive slave clause, that slaves would be

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01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 4: captured and returned as fugitives from justice. But when you

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01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 4: look at the debates and you look at what James

1269
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 4: Madison had to say about it, and the other frame

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Speaker 4: the majority of the other framers, you start to see

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Speaker 4: that they shot that idea down. So when it comes

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Speaker 4: to the so called fugitive slave clause, which should really

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01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 4: be called the fugitive servant clause, you see that the

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01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 4: word that they're using there is not slave. They talk

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01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 4: about servants, people who owe service and labor. Now, the

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01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 4: important thing when you mentioned Garrasonian, you mentioned Garrasonian and

1277
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,799
Speaker 4: Frederick Douglas and how Frederick Douglas kind of went against

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01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 4: his teacher Garrison. But that's because he started to read

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01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 4: the works of Losanders Spooner, which lo Sander Spooner put

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01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 4: out a piece called the Unconstitutionality of Slavery. In that piece,

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01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 4: he's breaking down I think it was published in eighteen

1282
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 4: forty something, but he's breaking down in that piece how

1283
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 4: slavery was unconstitutional not just with the United States Constitution,

1284
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 4: but going all the way back into the constitution coming

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Speaker 4: out of England. Constitution of Britain or England was the

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01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 4: common laws of England along with the positive statutory laws

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01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 4: that they passed through. Problem. So you look at the

1288
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 4: case of Somerset versus Stewart, you look at the works

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01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 4: of a person like a James Otis, where he published

1290
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 4: this piece called the Rights of the Colonists Asserted Improved.

1291
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 4: In that piece is very important because in that piece

1292
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 4: James Otis is saying that blacks as well as whites

1293
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 4: were subjects of the of the Sovereign of Britain and

1294
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 4: were born free on this land. So with what we're

1295
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 4: looking at is a stream of thought that existed for

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01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 4: a long time before the United States Constitution even got

1297
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 4: framed in a doctor. These are these are This is

1298
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 4: a streamer thought that existed amongst abolitionists for a very

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01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 4: long time. And what it did was it included so

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01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 4: called you know, black people along with white people as

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01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 4: members of the society, as citizens, as members of the

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Speaker 4: society who had rights and privileges that to be protected.

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Speaker 4: So when it comes down to this idea that these

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01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 4: things weren't for black people. Black people played a role

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01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:13,839
Speaker 4: in every part of it. The adoption of the constitution, Nahim,

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Speaker 4: do you have that piece from Curtis.

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Speaker 1: When I'm let me read from it now?

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Speaker 3: And this is from remember in the dread Scott case

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01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 3: there were two dissentants, Justice Curtis and Justice MacLean, and

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01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 3: a lot of people they simply do not know this information.

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Speaker 1: And I said this earlier about you know William Lloyd.

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01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 3: Garrison, which was a mentor to Frederick Douglass, where he

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01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 3: taught about the Constitution being a packed with what was

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Speaker 3: what did he say?

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Speaker 1: A packed with death.

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Speaker 3: And a covenant with Hell and all of these different

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01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 3: things he lied. But his idea and ideals as it

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01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 3: pertained to the Constitution and how our people should view

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01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:05,600
Speaker 3: it has survived Frederick Douglass. And I believe it survives

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01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 3: Frederick Douglass because there's not enough emphasis placed upon this

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01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,560
Speaker 3: term that we've adopted from a hater called freedmanism.

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Speaker 1: Right, So I want to read from Justice Curtis's.

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Speaker 3: Descent in the dread Scott, the dread Scott decision. It's

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Speaker 3: said because just real quick, you know, in that decision,

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Speaker 3: Justice Tany ruled that, and it was an opinion. It

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01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 3: wasn't based on anything constitutional, that dred Scott had no

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01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 3: rights which white men were bound to respect. And this

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01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 3: lasted for a few years until you get the passage

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Speaker 3: of the Reconstruction mint amendments, ultimately the eighteen Civil eighteen

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Speaker 3: sixty six Civil Rights at is what many constitutional scholars

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Speaker 3: say overturned the dread Scott decision because it was just fault.

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Speaker 1: It was just a lie. So let's read what.

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01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 3: Justice Curtis says in his dissenting opinion. He said, it

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01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 3: may be proper here to notice some supposed objections to

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01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 3: this view of the subject. It has been often asserted

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01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 3: that the Constitution was made exclusively by and for the

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01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 3: white race. Brother Ali just touched on that.

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01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: It has already been shown that in five of.

1339
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 3: The thirteen original states, colored persons then possessed the elective franchise.

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Speaker 1: And we're among those by whom the Constitution was ordained

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01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 1: and established.

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Speaker 3: So when Gary Chambers is saying what he says about

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01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:46,440
Speaker 3: us not being a part of this constitutional fold, that's

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01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 3: not true. And I'm hoping that those who think along

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01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 3: those lines that are listening to this or will listen

1346
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 3: to this start to shed that we have to ground

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01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 3: ourselves in the Constitution, because yes, we are in fact

1348
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 3: a part.

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01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: Of we the people.

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Speaker 3: So I want to read that last line again, where

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01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 3: he says it has already been shown that in five

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01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 3: of the thirteen original states, colored persons then possessed the

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01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 3: elective franchise and were among those by whom the Constitution

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01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 3: was ordained and established. If so, it is not true

1355
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,520
Speaker 3: in point of fact, that the Constitution was made exclusively

1356
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 3: by the white race, and that it was made exclusively

1357
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 3: for the white race is, in my opinion, not only

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01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 3: an assumption not warranted by anything in the Constitution, but

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01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 3: contradicted by its opening declaration, that it was ordained and

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01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 3: established by the people of the United States for themselves

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01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 3: and their posterity. And as free colored persons were then

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01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 3: citizens of at least five states, and so in every

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 3: sense part of the people of the United States, they

1364
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 3: were among those for whom and whose posterity, again, the

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01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 3: Constitution was ordained and established. How many people have read

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01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 3: the Descent of Justice Curtis this law I'm gonna tell

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01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 3: you now, because he had to shred Chief Justice Chinese

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01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 3: overtradctim his mere judicial opinion.

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01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: He had to shred that thing, and he did just that.

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01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: And I urge you all.

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Speaker 3: To pull up Justice Curtis's descent, and I'm gonna read

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01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 3: this next part and give it back to Ali.

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Speaker 4: He says.

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Speaker 1: The answer is obvious.

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01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 3: The Constitution has left to the states the determinations what

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01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 3: persons born within their respective limits shall acquire by birth

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01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 3: citizenship of the United States. It has not left to

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01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 3: them any power to prescribe any rule for the removal

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01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,440
Speaker 3: of the disabilities of alienage.

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Speaker 1: This power is exclusive Congress.

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01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 3: It has been further objected that are free persons born

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01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 3: within a particular state and main citizens of that state

1383
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 3: by its constitution and laws, are thereby made citizens of

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01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 3: the United States, then under the second section of the

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01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 3: fourth Article of the Constitution, such persons would be entitled

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01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 3: to all the privileges and the communities of citizens in

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01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 3: the several states. And if so, then colored persons could

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01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 3: vote and be eligible not only in federal offices, but

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01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 3: offices even in those states whose constitutions and laws disqualify

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01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 3: colored persons from voting or being elected to office. I'm

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01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 3: hoping people are understanding what Justice Curtis is breaking down

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01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 3: here because what he's saying is even those states that

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01:17:54,040 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 3: have constitutions that are anti our people, it does not need,

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01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 3: can't the fact that these are citizens and that they

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01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 3: can hold offices not only at the federal level, but

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01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 3: also in those states where you are drafting up, where

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01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 3: you are drafting up provisions in your constitution to disable

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01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 3: their citizenship. This is a powerful, powerful piece, and I

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01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 3: urge everybody to read Justice Curtis and Justice McLean's dissent

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01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 3: and dread Scott, but especially Justice Curtis.

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01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 1: Gout ally.

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01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 4: Yes, now that's powerful right now, And I really do

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01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,719
Speaker 4: argue with you. I really do hope people are taking

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01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 4: that in and what that all meant.

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01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,520
Speaker 1: So the point.

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01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 4: Is is that our people were part of the making

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01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 4: of the Constitution, even though we were taught that it

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01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 4: had nothing to do with us and that it was

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01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 4: really about white men. And one of the things that

1410
01:18:56,439 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 4: Gary Chambers said was that the Constitution put us in

1411
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,600
Speaker 4: a trick Basically, I'm this powerphace and basically the Constitution

1412
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 4: put us in a trick bag. It wasn't the Constitution

1413
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 4: that did it. It was racist white men and their

1414
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 4: construction of the Constitution. Their interpretations or misinterpretations are misconstruing

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01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 4: of the Constitution that did it. Constitution is a very

1416
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 4: fair document. You have to understand that. Even when you

1417
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 4: consider the three fists compromise, which many people misunderstand that

1418
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 4: that thing said that we're three fists of a human

1419
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 4: being and never said that even with that in a

1420
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:43,719
Speaker 4: so called fugitive slave clause, those things actually, like Frederick

1421
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 4: Douglas said in his Glasgow speech, those things actually pushed

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01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 4: the Constitution towards freedom, not towards slavery when you look

1423
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 4: at what was actually happening. So let's take the three

1424
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 4: fist compromise for a second. What was going on at

1425
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 4: the time that they made that this compromise had to

1426
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 4: even be made. They were coming out of the Articles

1427
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 4: of Confederation, looking to adopt the Constitution and were having

1428
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 4: these debates. The problem is the union was fragile. The

1429
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 4: fragility of the union was an issue from the beginning,

1430
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 4: but even at this point it was still fragile because

1431
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 4: you had certain states that were debating the issue whether

1432
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 4: or not they wanted to remain in the Union or

1433
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 4: become separate, sovereign, independent nations of their own, So in

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01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 4: order to keep the Union intact, they compromised with the

1435
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 4: slaveholding states. Now, the three fist compromise was one that

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01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 4: had to do with representatives in Congress. It had nothing

1437
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 4: to do with calling black people three fists of a

1438
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:50,640
Speaker 4: human being. If you look at the text, you're not

1439
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 4: going to see anything like that. They had everything to

1440
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 4: do with representation in Congress. What the slaveholding states actually

1441
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 4: wanted to do was count all of the enslaved population

1442
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 4: for the purposes of getting more representation in Congress, which

1443
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 4: would have made their position in Congress more powerful than

1444
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 4: the Northern states, the states that didn't have slaves. So,

1445
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 4: in essence, they actually wanted to count five fifths of

1446
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 4: the enslaved population. They wanted the entire population to be

1447
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 4: counted as citizens for representation. So the argument from the

1448
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 4: Northern states was, wait a minute, if these people are

1449
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 4: your property, how is it that you're trying to count

1450
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 4: Number one, how are you trying to count property for

1451
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 4: representation where only citizens get that unless you're trying to

1452
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 4: say their citizens. That's number one, there's a contradiction there.

1453
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 4: Number two, If they're your property, what's to stop you

1454
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 4: from counting your horses and your sheep and your plows

1455
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 4: and your shovels for representation. Two those things are your

1456
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 4: property as well. It starts to become a ridiculous argument.

1457
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 4: So what they wound up doing was they wind up

1458
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 4: allowing the slave hole in states to count sixty of

1459
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 4: the slave population for representation in order to keep the

1460
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,600
Speaker 4: union intact. Because the whole thing was about keeping the

1461
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 4: union intact. So that's what it was. But what they

1462
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 4: did was they cut down on what it was they

1463
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 4: were trying to do, which was to count the entire

1464
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 4: slave population. They cut down on the five fish and

1465
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 4: brought it down the three fists. That's number one, the

1466
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 4: fugitive slave clause. If you read James Madison's words when

1467
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 4: they were debating the adoption of the constitution, James Madison

1468
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 4: made the point that James Otis made. He made the

1469
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,520
Speaker 4: point that was made in the Somerset catch, the Somerset

1470
01:22:55,560 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 4: case that man does not have the right to property.

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01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 4: This is in the actual debate records.

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Speaker 1: You can read this.

1473
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 4: So what James Madison actually said, there's no right to

1474
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 4: property in man, and we are not going to enshrine

1475
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 4: in the Constitution that anybody has such a right. This

1476
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 4: is why you won't find the word slave or slavery

1477
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 4: in a constitution. You're not gonna find it anywhere in there.

1478
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,679
Speaker 4: And so what they decided on was that the only

1479
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 4: people who owed service or labor were servants who made

1480
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 4: contracts with in terms of indentured service to it, and apprentices.

1481
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 4: So when you look at the fugitive slave clause, and

1482
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 4: if you look at the debates, you'll see that they

1483
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 4: decided against putting the word slave or slavery in the

1484
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 4: so called feed to the slave clause and only left

1485
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 4: servant and apprentice because that's who they decided was the

1486
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 4: only people who were going to be targeted. A slave

1487
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 4: was considered property, not a person who owed service or labor,

1488
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:03,839
Speaker 4: but property. So it's a very technical argument that took place,

1489
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 4: but you've got to know that the argument actually took

1490
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 4: place in order to understand it kind of perspective that

1491
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 4: Frederick Douglass, Lysander Spooner and others like that the way

1492
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 4: they understood that's why they came to the conclusion that

1493
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 4: they did that slavery was unconstitutional and that our people

1494
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 4: were actually protected by constitution as citizens and members of society.

1495
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Speaker 4: Just like any other white person.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank the brothers that be the Power

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01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 2: for organizing that conversation around tes On ten. If you

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01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 2: have not heard, I have a new show called tz

1499
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 2: On ten on Revolt. I am so excited about it.

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Speaker 2: It is the first spinoff show for Revolt Black News.

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01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 2: It is a show that is designed to have conversations

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01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 2: that are centered on Black Americans. And as you can see,

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01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 2: the first episode created another episode outside of the episode,

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01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,799
Speaker 2: and that's what it's all about, creating the conversation, creating

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01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 2: the dialogue. I am so grateful to our brothers for saying,

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01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 2: you know what, we want to continue it. We want

1507
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 2: to flush it out. That's what it's all about. So again,

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Speaker 2: thank you to Nahim and the entire Be the Power

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01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 2: family for allowing me to sit in on their conversation

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01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 2: and contribute, and for permission for putting it on the

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Speaker 2: podcast so that you guys can hear what else was

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01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: discussed after it. If you have not watched it, make

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01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 2: sure you go watch it on YouTube. The replay is

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Speaker 2: there and I look forward to more episodes.

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Speaker 5: We have none more to go.

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Speaker 2: Tes On ten a ten part series, a new show

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Speaker 2: on Revolt and I'm so very excited about it. The

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Speaker 2: first episode was about the Black Vote with Sonny Johnson,

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Speaker 2: conservative and liberal Gary Chambers, and so it sparked a

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Speaker 2: conversation as you guys just heard, And if you want

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Speaker 2: to hear that conversation and its entirety, go to my

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Speaker 2: hear the entire conversation hosted by Be the Power titled

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Speaker 2: The Test on ten recap again. Thank you so much, guys.

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Speaker 2: Then right here on Straight Shot No Chaser on the

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