WEBVTT - Winning at Travel with Brian Kelly “The Points Guy” 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.480 I mean a million AMX points at a very minimum 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:04.280 is ten thousand dollars in pre travel, so you've got 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.520 at least twenty grand just with your AMX points, which 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:08.799 certainly even if you have to pay full price, takes 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:09.680 this seeks. 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.840 He talks so quickly and you have to listen really 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.360 carefully because then you know that you're going to save 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:24.479 some money. Hi, everybody. Brian Kelly is the passionate travel 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:28.360 enthusiast better known as the Point Sky. What started as 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.240 a passion for tracking miles and points led to a 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:35.600 successful business, and today millions of travelers turn to the 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:40.120 Point Sky or advice on maximizing loyalty programs for travel. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:42.080 Welcome to my podcast, Brian. 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:43.200 Thanks for having me Martha. 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.720 It's so nice to see you after oh a few months, 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:47.440 I haven't seen you. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:49.960 Yes, I think we had dinner this summer. And then 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.680 of course we had our epic cruise to Greenland last 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:53.639 year or two years ago. 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:57.600 Was fun, so fun. Never Doceland and Greenland. Yes, yeah, 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.040 and before that Brian and I traveled as Fallbard, which 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.520 is in the Arctic Circle, and that was that was 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:05.520 a very fun trip. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.640 I always think I get travel perks when traveling, but 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.440 traveling with you, some people just go to see the 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.280 seed involvement, and we learned a lot we did. 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:14.679 We learned a lot about where does food come from? 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.679 And how secure is the food supply for the rest 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:18.240 of the world. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.199 Right this small bard is one of the most fascinating places. 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:25.160 Beautiful, and I got so many interesting things there and 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:29.959 I didn't use any points. But when did the idea 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.080 of the point sky occur to you? 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.520 So it was in the late two thousands. I was 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:39.640 working for Morgan Stanley and I was traveling a ton. 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:41.720 I was trying to think of what side hustle I 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.360 could do because I wasn't making a lot of money, 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.600 and I just I've always been very good with points, 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:48.800 you know, back to the nineties, I was, I was 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:49.560 using points with. 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.400 It like you were just curious about it or what. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.400 So my dad, I was always a tech whiz, Like 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.760 when I was seven, I had my first computer. I 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.320 taught myself ms DOS. I was like a little hacker 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.640 and you know, got on Prodigy and Aol Internet way 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.080 back in the day. So my dad had gotten a 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.600 job at a startup and needed me to book his travel. 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.080 He was working from home without a secretary. So my 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.120 first job at age eleven was booking his trips and 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:14.480 he'd pay me ten dollars a trip. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:14.799 Wow. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:16.600 And then one day he said, I have all these 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.480 frequent flyer miles if you can figure out how to 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:22.000 use them. And I called up the airlines. I schmoozed, 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.720 you know, with Shila from American Airlines, and I figured 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:26.280 out how to get our family of six to the 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.960 Cayman Islands. So I figured out, like, there's these points 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.640 are really valuable. So every year I would use points. 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.080 And this is the nineties, never in a million years 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.200 that I think, you know, fast forward this would become 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:39.240 a career of mine. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.360 So and a real business, a real business and a 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:42.639 profitable business for you. 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.240 And at first it was not a blog even it 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.320 was just a travel agency. So in Wall Street I 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.280 had a lot of people who had points and miles, 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.520 and I realized, like, no one knows how to use them. 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.840 And I've even work in the tech division. These PhDs 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.399 and computer science would come to me and be like, ran, 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.800 how do I use my points? And that was like 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.480 a light bulb moment for me. I'm like, how are 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.840 all these really smart people? And no one knows how 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:06.720 to use points. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:10.720 Something not cashing in on something that everybody gets if 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.000 everybody pays attention exactly. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:14.960 So I started a side hustle business to points guy 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.640 was I was a travel agent for points, So you'd 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.320 pay me fifty bucks, and I when I would come 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.359 home from my job at Morgan Stanley, I'd come home 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.480 check my emails and if I could help you, I'd say, Okay, 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.840 PayPal me, you know, one hundred dollars for two tickets, 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.639 and I'll tell you how to go to Rome using 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.680 your points. So, just using the knowledge I was in 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.080 my head, I started making a couple hundred one thousand 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.280 bucks a month, and being twenty six in Manhattan living 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.320 paycheck to paycheck, like a thousand bucks a month was nice, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.280 you know, sure was. Eventually, about six months into that, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.160 a friend said, you know, you've got a blog, blog 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.800 blog blog, and I had adjusting the movie Julia, the 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.600 Julia Child's movie about the blogger who started a blog 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.400 that became super famous. And I remember watching that movie 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.400 in two thousand and nine thinking how cool would that 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.520 be if your life you could just pursue your passion. 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.080 And it literally ended up happening to me. I started blogging. 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:09.119 I started blogging for fun, and within about six months. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.160 I remember my first cocktail party in New York. Someone 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.480 said you're the Points guy, and I saw their eyes 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.720 light up, and they of course talk my ear off 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.120 because I've realized so many people just wanted to talk 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.560 about travel, and this like niche world of points. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.440 So now, how many followers do you have. 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:25.599 The points go dot com or upwards of ten million 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:29.440 people visiting a month, and you know millions on social media. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.240 We have a newsletter that a million people read every week. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.120 There's plenty of travel influencers who have millions of followers. 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.040 I think I've always just been about organic how to advice. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:40.640 So it may not be as pretty as a beautiful 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.520 photo of Iceland, but I'll tell you how to get 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.200 to Iceland on points, which I think is more about it. 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.839 I was just picking Brian's brain over a quick lunch 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:53.600 before the podcast, and I have close to two million points. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.479 They do accumulate quickly, and I haven't used any of 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.760 them in a while, and I'm trying to make a 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.039 try up to Namimbia, which is quite a distance and 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.640 quite expensive to get to Namibia get to go to Johannesburg. 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.400 So I'm going to take your advice. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.400 Well, and of course you love a challenge, Martha. So 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.240 three weeks before the busiest travel week of the year, 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.240 going on one particular flight. But even with your AMX, 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.400 I mean, a million MX points at a very minimum 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.200 is ten thousand dollars in free travel. So you've got 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.520 at least twenty grand just with your AMX points, which 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.880 certainly even if you have to pay full price, takes the. 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.800 See he talks, he talks so quickly, and you have 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.960 to listen really carefully because then you know that you're 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:33.880 going to save some money. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.800 The point is points are currency. They are they are, 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.200 and I want people to understand that in this day 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.080 with so much inflation and everyone's you know, people are 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.000 not getting the job the bonuses even to cover cost 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:47.320 of living. So I think now more than ever, if 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:48.880 you want to get ahead, and you don't need to 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.840 be going to Namibia or far flung places, if you 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.040 want to go to Orlando, if you want to you know, 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.680 see family on fly Southwest, the points game is for you. 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.760 And that's what I really believe and excited to teach 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:03.839 people in my upcoming book that this is not just 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:05.320 for the elite. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.520 And we have his book right in our hands. This 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:09.719 is just a galley. This is just the galley how 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:14.000 to Win at Travel Brian Kelly, founder of The Point Sky, 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:18.839 and it's coming out in February fourth, February twenty five. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.000 You have to get this book. And really, if you 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.120 read it, you're going to save money. You're going to 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:28.080 make yourself some money. And by saving money, and I 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.120 love this idea. I'm so glad you finally wrote a 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.120 book because we as friends are always trying to pick 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:33.559 his brain. 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.760 And so now I can say to people, just read 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:40.240 my books. I can finally enjoy well the book I 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.679 wanted to take an approach. It's it's an easy read 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:44.919 and some of the chapters, you know, you can go 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.479 back in reference. I have a whole chapter what to 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.040 do when airlines cancel your flights? What are your rights? 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.160 Here's how to get what you want? You know, how 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.640 to use the terminology when you approach a gate agent. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.840 There's a certain speek that US travelers have and I'm 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:03.360 teaching everyday people for example, like if you think you're 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.120 gonna if your flight's delayed and you're going to miss 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.440 your connection, which happens quite a bit. You can even now, 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.360 when you're in flight, on the in flight Wi Fi, 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.960 you message that airline and you say, can you protect 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.440 me on the next flight. Most people wait until they 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.560 miss their connection and then there's no seats left. What 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.560 I teach you in the book is get ahead of 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.440 the game. You've got to be proactive and you can 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.680 ask the airline. What they will do protecting you is 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.280 actually book you on a second ticket, so if you 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.239 do miss your first connection, you already have a seat saved. 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:33.480 And this is like, these are some of the tactics 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.720 that help you. They want to help you, but frankly, 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.760 the system is set up. You know, if you're a 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.400 top tier elite traveler, they're going to automatically protect you. 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.360 If you don't have elite status, and if you're not 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.440 spending a lot, they will, but you need to advocate 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:49.040 for yourself. And frankly, the airlines bank on most people 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.280 just saying give me whatever you'll give me, because it's 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.320 easier for them to deal with. But I like to 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.760 empower people to say, be nice, but ask for this, 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.400 because if you don't ask, you're not going to get 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:01.400 it in most cases. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.960 This is why I have Ryan on the podcast today 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:09.360 because you actually can save money, be smart and travel. Well. 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.840 Yeah, one of the not just like points. I can't 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:14.720 believe how many people have a fear of flying. It's 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.680 actually one of the top questions I geld asked. I've 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.400 even dated people who had fears of flying and that 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:20.560 didn't work out well. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.960 But I'm always sure afraid to get on it. 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.400 Yeah, I know so many people, and which befuddles me because, 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.800 as I talk about in the book, travel is I 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.680 mean air travels extraordinarily safe. Like there's a stat in 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.600 the book you have to travel every single day for 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:39.240 over one hundred thousand years to statistically die in a 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:40.600 plane crash, and. 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.480 That you know, all the population of the world correct. 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.960 So it's so safe to travel. Yet at the same time, 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.080 fear of flying seems to be going up. And there's 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.840 a lot of reasons that could be. But but in 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.880 the book, I talked to doctors. I sat down with 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:58.240 Whoopee Goldberg, who she wouldn't fly for years. She would 0:08:58.240 --> 0:08:59.839 how did she get from East Coast to Wist. She 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.839 bought a dur of us and she had three full 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:04.320 time drivers, and it would take. 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.280 Her a week two days. 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:07.640 It was like, I think she could do it in 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.760 two and a half days. But for years and years, 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.240 and when Sister Act hit, she contractually had to go 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.720 to London, and so she tells the story in the book. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.480 It's fascinating. They actually she got the FAA to allow her. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.440 They had an anesthesiologist put her down and rolled her 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.800 onto a private jet And fast forward to now what 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.880 has a beautiful property in Italy and she flies domestically. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:29.400 Oh good. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.400 So she talks about all the things throughout the years 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.200 that helped her cope, because we all know someone in 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:34.440 our life who suffers from that. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.480 So when do these kinds of loyalty programs that offer 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.960 points and rewards first start to develop? Because I sort 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.200 of remember, but I can't really place the date. 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:48.080 Yeah, So in nineteen seventy eight, the US government deregulated airfare. 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.520 So pre nineteen seventy eight, no matter the airline you flew, 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.280 it was a set price to fly New York to 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.040 LA and it was very expensive. It was on average 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.679 ten percent of the average American salary to travel. Very 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.760 few people traveled. It was really for the wealth. 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.720 They were real stewardesses. Yes, well, I actually I knew 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.000 some of these stewardesses. 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.440 I actually debunked. I think we're in the best age 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.520 of travel today, an incredible time for travel. It's actually 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.640 more accessible, it's cheaper. May seem expensive today, but it's 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.959 actually much cheaper, much safer. And the fact you can 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:25.319 now fly, you can now fly to Australia NonStop, that's incredible. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.080 That's what that's how I go to Australia in Singapore. 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.800 Yeah, in the eighties, the airlines realized they had to 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.520 start competing, so that's where they started creating frequent flyer 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.160 programs and the airlines. It's a tough business. Airlines go 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.320 bankrupt all the time. And in the two thousands the 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.600 airlines realized and Delta was the first one. Amex bailed 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.080 Delta out of bankruptcy. Amex went to Delta and said, 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.920 we're going to pre buy a billion dollars worth of 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.520 frequent flyer miles to use for our credit cards. And 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.000 that's what saved Delta Airlines. 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:54.800 And now Delta is really one of the premiere I 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.960 just flew to Rome on Delta and the new lounge 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.600 at Kennedy Airport in New York. The Delta one Lounge 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:05.520 is Oh my gosh, it's so fantacy. It was incredible. 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.880 I was I had never been in there. It was amazing. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.600 Yeah, And that's why I want all to drink everything. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.560 That's why I think when people start to travel and 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.200 see that side of travel, I think so many people 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.000 who hate travel today just because they're being bullied around. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.720 They're in the worst seat on the plane. And so 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.199 I have you know, in the book I talk about it, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.680 even if you're gonna fly economy, there's huge differences in 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.559 how you choose your seats, and no, but no one 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.880 teaches you this. No one teaches you to look at 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:30.960 the plane type. And even just knowing the plane type 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.240 you're flying on your trip to Paris, choosing the right 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.320 one could mean you know much better for your sleep 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.960 and rest the air the frequent flyer programs today airlines 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.200 make more money by their frequent flyer programs, and they 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.760 do flying airplanes. The way the system works in the 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.480 United States, when you use a credit card, let's call 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.680 it two percent of that purchase price. It's called the 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.200 interchange feed. The credit card company makes money for every 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.560 dollar purchase. So when you use a credit card, there's 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.360 two percent of that purchase is going the merchant is paying, 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.160 and then the credit our companies kicking us all back 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.640 basically one percent of that. So the airlines realize, you know, 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:06.959 for people, if you fly Delta once or twice a year, 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.840 Delta's only making money a couple times a year. If 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.080 Delta can get you a Delta credit card or American 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.439 whatever airline it may be, every single time you purchase coffee, 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.440 you go to the groceries, they're getting a cut of 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.920 every single dollar you spend. And Delta there was just 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.480 a stat one percent of total USGDP is put on 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.960 a Delta American Express card. So, simply put, these loyalty 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:32.880 programs are the most compelling and lucrative marketing platform ever created. 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.319 And that's why I tell people in the beginning of 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.120 the book, you got to get in on the program. 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.079 This is not a fad. They're not going away, they 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:40.760 are changing. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:41.680 Do they expire? 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:47.160 So most airlines have gotten rid of expiration except American Airlines. 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.040 Shame on them. They need to get rid of that 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.800 and to keep that miles active. It's very very simple, 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.360 it's pretty easy to play the game. I think so 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.080 many people just have myths or have not been educated 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:58.920 on how to do it. 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.120 In our travel Asians who are who people still use 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:06.640 and they still serve a very very useful purpose on 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:08.240 do they encourage you? 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.599 Travel agents are amazing and I talk about in the 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.720 book when to use them when not to. There's actually 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:15.520 now similar to how I started the Points guy, there 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.840 are travel agencies that will help you use your points. 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.280 So if you're listening to this podcast and you're like, okay, great, 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.200 well I'm not going to take the time to just 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.400 all of a sudden become an expert, you don't have to. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:26.400 So there's a fight an Asian thing. 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.320 Yeah, So point dot me is the website that's an 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.040 actual tool. It's like Google Flights. It'll let you search 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.040 for flights using your points. That's what I was on 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.119 my way here when I was looking at your impossible 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.640 Namibia flights to book. But that's when I found out 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.880 it actually told me, Hey, if you know, Martha really wanted, 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.720 you could actually fly for one hundred twenty thousand points 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:49.200 business class on the dates you're flying. Most people who 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.040 are somewhat flexible, and I would even say that people 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.040 have never been to Africa, stop in Nairobi, go to 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.920 the giraft manner, which I'm sure your grandkids would love. 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.439 You know, the Hemingway Hotel is beautiful. You stop for 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.839 a day in Nairobi. You can even the elephants when 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.160 you land at the Nairobi airport. 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:06.600 He's selling me I have a two million. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.960 Points for a honeymooning couple who wants to go to 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.560 South Africa. I would just say, hey, because these frequent 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.800 flyer programs will actually let you stop over for free. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.440 So you could fly JFK to Nairobi, spend a couple 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.680 days in beautiful Nairobi and then all for one hundred 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.720 and twenty five thousand points versus fifteen grand. And what 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.400 I would say to people, you know, spend that fifteen 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.040 grand on fabulous safaris and don't give it to the 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.600 airlines invested in the cool meals when you get there. 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.440 So wish loyalty programs credit cards do you recommend most highly? 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.200 So many people have, you know, their airline credit cards 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.440 are nice for getting your free check bags or whatever. 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:49.960 But I think that one of the biggest mistakes I see, 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.040 especially successful people, is oh, you know, I fly one 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.080 airline and I just it's simple. I'm just gonna have 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.200 my American Airlines credit card that just gets me where 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.040 I want to go. That's a mistake. Almost twenty twenty five. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.960 You want to get a credit card that gives you 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.440 transferable points. This is the name of the game. So 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.880 historically that was AMEX Platinum and AMEX Gold because when 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.160 you a crew Amex points, you can transfer to thirty 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.760 different partners. You can transfer to Virgin Atlantic, to Emirates, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.880 so it opens up tons of opportunities. But it's not 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.200 just Amex anymore. Chase Sapphire to the Chase Sapphire Reserve 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.200 the AMEX Gold card, And funny enough, you know many 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.040 people of the Platinum, and I like the Platinum for 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.000 lounge access. The AMEX Gold card gives you four points 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.240 per dollars on all dining and groceries. So for most 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.840 American families you're spending a ton. The Platinum card only 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.280 gives you one point. Oh so so many people say, well, 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.080 that's silly. The Platinum cards some points for every dollar, yes, 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.160 on dining and groceries. So when people when I go 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:46.080 to dinner with Fantasy CA. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:47.880 I have a red card, what are the red cards 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:48.280 get you. 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.720 I think is that a plumb card. The red card 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.360 would be a I think that's like a cash back 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:52.960 business card. 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:53.840 Maybe I don't know. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:55.240 I think I need to do an audit on. 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:59.000 Your accounts and you have to see I need it. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:00.560 That's why I'm really doing podcast. 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.000 But the Capitol one venture X card's another great one. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.120 That card gives two points on every dollar spent. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:05.680 Wow. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.200 So the goal is you're going to use your Amix 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.120 Gold card for dining and groceries four points per dollars, 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.600 very lucrative. Built a company that I helped found Built. 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.560 If you pay rent, everyone should pay with a Built MasterCard, 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.520 no annual fee. Built is a game changing program. You 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.680 earn not only do you earn points for rent, but 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.600 Built will report your rent payment to the credit bureau. So, 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.760 for young people trying to build credit, your biggest expense 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.840 normally that forever it was just a check and that 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.600 was off the credit system. So you're not getting credit 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.240 for paying that monthly rent that so many of us pay. 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:42.520 Built now gives you points that are very valuable. And 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.000 because this big expense that you're showing your very responsible paying, 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.600 your credit score goes up and when your credit score 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.360 goes up, your mortgage payment and rates go down. So 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.880 that's why, Like my book is called how to Win 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.080 a Travel but I talk about how playing this game 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.640 smartly it's really winning at life. It teaches you how 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.520 to approach everything and look at it to tailor it 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.000 to exactly benefit you. 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.280 What are some of the most creative ways to earn miles? 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.000 Like I traveled with a posse of four, four of 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:12.040 us or five of us. 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.440 Well, first things first, everyone, so you know kids under 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.520 two you can't earn points because they're free unless you 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.120 buy them a ticket. But everyone, I mean, starting day 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.359 one with kids, start sign them up for frequent flyer 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.040 programs for a whole host of reasons. It'll make even 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.000 just booking their tickets easier when all their information's preloaded. 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.800 The biggest area people are not earning points is online shopping. 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:35.600 So everyone shops online. Now listen here. People never go 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.720 directly to a retailer's website. Never go to sas dot Com, 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:42.840 never go to north Face, Nike, whatever. Always click through. 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.720 It's called a shopping portal. And these shopping portals, there's 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.399 Rakutin is the biggest one out there. You download this 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.720 rakutin app and it says cash backs. You can earn 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.040 up to twenty percent cash back. But the little known 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.240 trick is you can actually earn that in Amex points instead, 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.439 which are actually more valuable than cash back. So and 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.399 anytime you go to shop online, you can earn American 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.960 Airlines miles or Delta, whatever types of points you're looking 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:08.760 to get. All you do is you click through a 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.679 shopping portal to the retailer through through that airline's shopping portal. 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.600 It puts a cookie on your computer and it tracks 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.919 all your expenses. So not only do you get points 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.160 for using your credit card, your ams to make the. 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.440 Or engineer, are you listening to this show? 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:23.840 He's nodding his head. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.159 Yeah. Do you do all of this? A few things? 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:28.760 A few? Are you going to do all of them? Now? 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:30.000 A lot more? Yeah? 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.560 Well yeah, especially with kids. I mean you you rack 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.639 up so much in expenses, so shopping online that's just 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.600 the single easiest. It's a click of a button and 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:41.520 it's double dipping. You get your credit card points for 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:43.879 making all those expenses, and then you get these additional 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:45.960 points just for clicking the button to shop through the 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.520 shopping portal, you can really get points. I mean, I 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:50.880 say these days, you know, if you're going to give 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.719 a wedding gift, you can get gift cards, you know, 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.360 like I just like I just said, the AMEX gold card, 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.440 or for graduation gifts. Instead of giving cash, you could 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:03.119 buy one of many very enticing gift cards from your 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.960 local supermarket. And guess what the five hundred dollars gift 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.399 card that you might buy that's earning you four x 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.800 points because it's purchased at a grocery store, which is 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:12.920 four x y amics goal. You see where I'm going 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.000 with this. I see you know, you start doing a 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.040 home renovation and instead of having your contract or buy 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.480 all that stuff from home depot or wherever, you buy it. Yes, 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:24.119 your interior designer, you know many of these. You know, 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.959 your party planner, you're getting points. Of course they are 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.439 unless you ask for them. So points are everywhere. I 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.479 think I want to enlighten people to say, wait a minute, 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:35.320 like you know when you go out to dinner with 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.080 your friend and there's always that one friends like, oh, 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.199 I'll put it on my credit card. Just you know, 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:40.080 I know why. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.600 I know I got on to that earlier in the 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.280 company because we're allowed at our company to keep our 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.160 points exactly, so the one who picks up the check 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:49.399 gets the points. 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.760 And speaking of these and then you expense. So that's 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.600 how I I mean at Morgan Stanley, that's what I 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:55.640 was doing. I was paying for career fairs at MIT 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.200 twenty thousand dollars. I write about it in the book 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.920 where all of my colleagues we're like, you're the hero 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.520 of HR because I was the expense guy. Everyone thought 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.040 I was doing it to be nice, those fools I 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.879 was setting around the world. I was so broke. I 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.080 call it my points rich cash poor portion of my life. 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:17.280 It was cheaper for me to fly to London first 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:18.960 class for a weekend, and I had all this elite 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:20.920 status with the hotel, so I got free breakfast, I 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.280 had free canapes in the afternoon. And then it was 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.119 to stay in New York City because if I went 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:27.639 out in New York and I had had no money, 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:29.359 so I'd be out to dinner with friends, and I 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.440 was that mortified person like, oh no, when it comes 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:33.240 time to split, like I don't have any money. So 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.000 I would travel first class, taking the subway to JFK 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.440 to fly British airways first class. 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.600 On the weekends. What fun. So most travelers are on 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:45.639 economy budgets, what are three chips for getting a first 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:47.080 class experience? 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.959 So interestingly, one of the biggest trends that has happened, 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.920 and the pandemic helped shift this. A decade ago, first 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.359 class used to be exorbitantly expensive, like it would even 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:59.800 just flying to Miami, it would be three thousand dollars 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:03.160 one way, and the airlines would basically fill the cabins 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:05.360 with their frequent flyers, so they were giving away eighty 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.200 percent of those first class seats, so you had to 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.360 be an elite traveler. So for everyday people, no one's 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.520 spending three thousand. What happened with the pandemic is they 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.760 flipped it. So now they're selling almost all those seats 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.040 in first class, but at a discount, a much lower 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:22.280 discount than what first class used to be. So the 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.520 easiest way is upgrading using your frequent flyer miles. You 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:27.560 know these days, just getting a single credit card bonus 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.800 fifty sixty thousand points. So get a credit card or 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.880 two that gives you big points bonuses. And I want 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:36.359 to reiterate this too, the credit card games amazing and 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:41.439 it can be essentially an unlimited gravy train of free travel. 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:45.320 But very important, but you must pay your bills off 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:48.080 in full every month. If you start opening up credit 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.360 cards and you're paying interest, the thirty percent APR will 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:55.600 destroy the value. So I never want anyone to open 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:57.359 up credit cards, even if you have an inkling like 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:01.600 I might start spending past my do not it? However, 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.280 good advice. Yeah, so get a credit card, use your 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:07.440 points to upgrade. And I mean, you're not going to 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.600 get an upgrade for your honeymoon. That's like people always say, well, 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:11.360 it's my honeymoon, the airline is going to do it. 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:14.080 But I will say this, it never hurts to ask once. 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.280 I would never bank on it. But when I was 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.040 extremely poor and I'm six foot seven, and I was 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:22.480 flying to Buenos Aires and in coach, and I was 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:24.000 driading that ten and a half hour flight, and I 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.080 remember going up at JFK. I was like, I went 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:28.359 up the gate agent. I knew she was sassy, and 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:30.359 I was like, I kind of went up and just 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.159 did a little bit of sass with her, and I 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.480 was like, you know, if the flight's over sold, in economy, Like, 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.160 if you have to upgrade someone, I would be I'll 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.359 take that responsibility for you off your hand. I was 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:42.600 like joking, what they're in. This woman was who's used 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:44.600 to people screaming at her all day, but I was 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:46.760 just having fun with her. She giggled and was like, 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.280 you gotta be kidding me, but like laughed. And then 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.280 when I was boarding that flight, the beat beat beat 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.240 happened and it spit out the business class ticket. Oh great, 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:57.640 so being very nice. It's not gonna happen every time. 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:00.639 But you know, at hotels there is a twin You 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:02.600 can put a twenty dollars bill between your ID and 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:05.359 credit card to the front desk agent in Vegas. That 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:06.800 works quite a bit, but'll at least give you a 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:08.920 nicer room. So I think I would bank on people 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.840 using your points or you know at check in, a 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:14.159 lot of airlines will let you bid for an upgrade, 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:16.399 So put in you know what you think you might 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:16.760 get it. 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:21.119 For all excellent advice and making travel nicer and better. 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.639 I remember when we flew to Oslo, you made a 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.000 baked potato and caviar on the plane. Is that a 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:28.240 do you do that on every flight or just oh yeah. 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.919 We tried it. We tried to take something delicious to 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:33.800 eat because the plain food still is not just enough. 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.800 And I don't know why. I just don't know. Yah, 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:39.400 wouldn't you be happy with a baked potato and caviar? 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:41.960 Seriously all that other stuff that they serve. 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:43.440 Do you ever eat airplane food? 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:45.479 Very very rarely? 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:47.480 But will you eat in the lounge like if it 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:49.240 looks good? Or do you just try to eat it home? 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.159 I try to eat it home. I mean that's the 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.919 way we are. But I want you, you know, I 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:55.960 want I want you. I would think it would be 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:59.359 so nice, But the cheese and crackers even that on 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:01.200 the way to roam was not so good this time. 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.879 And you're going to Italy where there's fantastic cheese. Where 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:06.119 is that cheese? You know? 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:09.280 Has it TSA ever stopped you for bringing caviar through? 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:14.520 Oh yes, we've got Kevin Charky got into big trouble 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:15.200 with cavia. 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:17.399 Oh so you make it. He's your caviar mule. 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:21.800 Yeah, but you're very careful now, you don't do anything 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:23.080 to irritate anybody. 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.080 Yeah, because you know, if you ever bring my friend 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:28.000 brought up a banana from the plane. They often have 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:30.359 the net. If you ever bring that through you can 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:32.840 get huge fines. And in the US, so I global 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:35.879 entry is key being able to zip this and you 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.919 can lose your global entry by bringing in fruit or anything. 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:42.280 So everyone before every flight, go through your bag, double 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:45.680 check for any orange you might have taken from the hotel. 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:47.240 Because global we don't play globble. 0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:49.520 Entry is so perfect, I mean we just it took 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:52.520 us like no time to get out of the airport 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:56.080 on Sunday from Rome. Yep, the only t Truman who's 0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:59.080 only twelve. It takes a while for them to read 0:24:59.119 --> 0:24:59.639 his face. 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:04.159 Yep, since my son, who's baby, got it as a baby. 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:07.080 Now it actually his baby face. It was registering, but 0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:09.080 now he turned two, I think his face turned enough 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:12.399 where to get it. It's an issue. But for people listening, 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.000 a lot of credit cards will give you global entries 0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.640 one hundred twenty dollars for five years, and that lets 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:19.080 you go through the immigration when coming home from abroad. 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.520 But it also includes tsa pre check. Yes, so what 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:23.520 most people don't realize and pre check is when you're 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:26.280 flying domestically through any airport, so you get both through 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:28.960 one hundred twenty bucks and most credit cards will reimburse you. 0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:30.280 You don't have to take your shoes off. 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:33.280 You don't have All children from the age of one 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:35.399 day and older have to have their own global entry. 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:37.680 And if you try to bring your kid through global entry, 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:39.919 even if they're two years old, you can lose your 0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:43.480 global entry. So that's once again an important thing I 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:46.680 want to do out, yes, right, but global entry is key. 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:48.560 It's the best one hundred and twenty dollars you'll spend. 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:52.399 So you and I we took two amazing expeditions together. 0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:55.679 What did you learn from our trip to Smallbard? About 0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:59.200 about travel and about camaraderie and all of that. 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:01.960 I think one of my most magnificent memories that night 0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:04.520 when we walked up to that Michelin starred restaurant up 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:09.639 a hill. And I do love travel bringing together people 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:11.840 of all shapes and sizes. That trip was really it 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:15.400 was a ragtag group of people all over the place, Europeans, 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:19.639 the LA contingent actresses, and so I love that, Like 0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:22.480 how our lives are so scripted in a lot of ways. 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:24.760 When we get comfortable in our own little groups of 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.280 friends and the holidays can be the same. So I 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.560 love what travel can just you know, you meet fascinating people. 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:32.480 And I love that night you were doing a little 0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:34.480 round table under by the fire and then someone came 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:36.720 in and said the northern lights. And we all ran 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:41.280 outside on this hill in the northernmost city and just 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:42.919 took in mother Nature. 0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.840 Saw those amazing green lights. 0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:47.639 The northern lights. And we actually saw them again when 0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:50.280 we were in Greenland in August, which was very rare 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.959 to see with that super moon. I mean, those are 0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:54.360 the moment I love nature. 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.880 And that camp in Newfoundland, remember that beautiful. 0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.080 Green camp Kiachua. Yes, and interesting. I don't know if 0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:01.600 you saw United Airlines now flying Nuok just opened their 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:04.600 new airport. Yeah, so United Airlines next year will be 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:08.800 flying NonStop to Nook. Nuok is n u Uk, right, Yeah, 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.400 it's the capital of Greenland and it's a little town 0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.320 but they have US flight. They have a flight to 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:18.879 Nuk And it's a camp Kiyatua. It is this fabulous 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:19.600 tented camp. 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.679 But you have to go out and by a beautiful woman, yes, 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:24.720 and with her who's children helper. 0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:28.760 It was magical up on a cliff overlooking those fjords 0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:33.480 and just you know, fresh brooks of like water going 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:34.200 through the camp. 0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.960 I mean so, even though Brian spends a lot of 0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:41.359 time counting points and saving cash, he also enjoys the 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.399 traveling that he is the foremost proponent of. You really 0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.240 I love that about you. I really think it's amazing 0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:50.920 that you've kept your your awe of what you see 0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:51.840 when you get there. 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:55.000 I believe travel can be a force for good in 0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:58.000 the world. So I work with Nobel Peace Prize winners. 0:27:58.000 --> 0:27:59.960 We do these youth peace conferences all around the world. 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:03.200 It's called Peace Jam and it's basically Nobel Laureate's educating 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:05.520 the next generation of peace leaders, which I think we 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:07.679 can all agree the world needs more of to be 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:12.360 pushing our next generation to solve conflict peacefully. So I've donated, 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.560 you know, and help others donate miles to charities. I 0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:17.560 do make a wish, you know, at the Point Sky. 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:19.440 We team up with American Airlines and make a wish. 0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:21.040 We do the best flight ever, which is when we 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.199 get Broadway actors an entire plane of wish kids and 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:26.040 we bring them to Disney and in the air they're 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.439 doing performances. So I, you know, I think, yes, I 0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:32.400 love first class travel and the fancy caviar, but I'm 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:36.480 for the destination. I am for the moments that take 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:40.960 your breath away, and I think travel helps you just 0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:44.040 reset and realize what's what's important in life. 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:46.720 I agree. And when people say, oh, where's the best 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:48.800 place you've ever been, you know what my answer is 0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:53.920 where I haven't been yet, because I have that sort 0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:58.640 of quest for learning something new, and that's one way 0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:01.000 you can learn something new, to visit a new place. 0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:14.560 So Brian travels. He has a traveler that goes with 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:18.440 him now, a two year old charming son called Dean. 0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:22.640 And talk about how you've integrated a toddler into your 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.360 jet setting lifestyle. Because I see him on your shoulders, 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:27.040 I see him in your arm. 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:30.200 I'm so lucky. He's well, I'm lucky, and I'm girding 0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:33.080 my loins because he's my clone. He is just like 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:37.120 me mine going a million miles an hour, very inquisitive. 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:40.840 But I mean he because I had him via surrogacy. 0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:44.240 So I decided single gay dad. It was always wanted 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:45.640 to be a dad, and I was like, I want 0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:47.640 to be a dad in my thirties. So during the pandemic, 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.720 when I had some soul searching of what's the next phase, 0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.320 and it became very clear that to become a dad, 0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:56.560 I didn't know exactly what travel would be like, but 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:58.720 I knew I wanted to start early. Everyone I know 0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:01.720 a lot of people in the travel industry, influencers who 0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:05.120 have young kids, and I see them traveling families that 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.440 go around the world, and everyone said, just start them young. 0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.040 And that's what they that's what they know, and that 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:11.920 you know, his first flight was at three days old, 0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:14.680 flew home and he slept the whole flight. And but 0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:16.760 I tell families, like in the beginning, it's easy when 0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:19.600 you know, get him a douna, the Duna stroller where 0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:21.760 it turns into a car seat and a stroller, so 0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:23.920 you snap it into the airplane seat. They sleep most 0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:25.959 of the time. It gets challenging at like the eighteen 0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:27.640 month mark when they want to start running around, but 0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:30.360 you figure out ways. You just keep them busy, that's 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:32.720 the biggest thing. Have a bag of tricks at all times. 0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:34.480 And I'll just say to the other parents out there 0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:37.960 who are debating, I was shocked at how child friendly 0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:39.720 the rest of the world is. The US is one 0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:43.800 of the most anti child places with Glarizon planes. You 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.120 go to Portugal, they will pull you aside. There are 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:48.400 special immage. You don't wait no long immigration line, they'll 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:49.880 take you and your kids to the front. 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:52.480 So what advice do you have for people traveling during 0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:54.680 the upcoming peak travel times. 0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:57.880 Yeah, so there's always going to be road bumps the 0:30:57.880 --> 0:30:59.720 biggest mistake. So you can fix a lot of your 0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.800 problems before you leave your house. Everyone, especially people who 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:06.040 book months in advance. So the airlines these days change 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:09.080 flights all the time, and you know they'll cancel a 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:10.959 route or they'll put you on a different flight if 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:15.640 they cancel that frequency, And everyone should go online right now, 0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:18.480 and if you've got upcoming travel, always double check because 0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:20.600 sometimes your flight time might not have changed, but they'll 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.400 change the aircraft, which means you might be in a 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.240 middle seat. So it's a whole lot easier to fix 0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:27.800 those issues before you go to the airport than when 0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.960 there's no seats left. So everyone go in. You know, 0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.600 you always double check your reservations before you leave, and 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:37.040 if the airline switches you to from the NonStop to 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:39.959 one with the stop. The Department of Transportation has new 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.520 rules as of October. So if your flight time changes 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.120 by three hours domestically or six hours internationally, you were 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:47.880 owed a full refund. So in the past, the airlines 0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:50.280 could put you on a terrible flight with a crazy 0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:53.040 connection and you had to take it. Now consumers need 0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:54.560 to know. But this is what consumers need to know 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:59.000 their rights first of all, so so to survive the holidays, yeah, 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:02.080 just always double check your know your rights through the 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.560 Department of Transportation. And another thing, when airlines delay or 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.360 cancel your flight, they're cheap. The most are not giving 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:10.320 you a hotel, and if it is, it's usually going 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:14.040 to be horrible. But most people's credit cards have flight 0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.800 cancelation and delay coverage. So your AMEX, your Chase card 0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:20.440 will pay if there's a long delay. You can go 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.640 to a nearby hotel, get a day rate with your kids, 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:25.320 go to a pool, have a meal, and your credit 0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:27.240 card will pay for that. And it shocks me how 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.160 few people know that when you use those credit cards, 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:33.440 those protections exist. Same thing with baggage. And finally, if 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.240 you're going to check a bag, everyone you must have 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:39.000 an air tag in your luggage. In fact, I put 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:41.680 it on my carry on. I put it my stroller. 0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.400 I mean, having air tags will show you where your 0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:46.680 bag is. And now the airlines just announced they're teaming 0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:48.880 up with Apple and you'll be able to share your 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:52.720 air tag location with the airline soon, so it's integrated. 0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.040 But knowing that your bag and I've had my son's 0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.240 bag with of course all the most essential items. When 0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.840 we were in Portugal, that was the one that didn't come. 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.200 I knew exactly where it was at every point in time, 0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:04.160 and I knew when it landed at the airport. I 0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:06.400 didn't wait for the hotel, you know, airport employees to 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:08.600 call me. I knew the minute it landed, so I 0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:10.600 went to the airport and got it. So having that 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:12.200 air tag is critical. 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.720 I have two air tags sitting in a drawer and 0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:17.040 I have not put them in my luggage. Oh how 0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:18.520 bad am I? 0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:21.520 I mean, Mark, you can create a holiday wonderland, but 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:23.400 you can't simply just put an air tag. 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:26.880 And I'm going through the minute I get on tonight. 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:31.880 What trends do you, Bryan see for the future of travel? 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:33.920 Yeah, so we at the point sky. We just did 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.360 an analysis, so there's some good and some bad trends. 0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:39.480 I think in twenty twenty five. The cost of travel 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.600 is going to continue going up. There's a lot of 0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:46.520 reasons aircraft. Boeing is in a state of disaster. I 0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:49.520 mean they're supposed to be. Boeing is many years behind 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.920 on planes. Airbus even has so that's creating issues for 0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:55.920 the airlines who are flying older planes grounding them. So 0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:59.160 there's going to be continued roadbumps and traveling and the 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:03.440 cost of airfare going up and over. Tourism is a 0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:05.720 big issue this summer. We saw in Barcelona the locals 0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:10.440 were squirting tourists with water guns. I urge everyone start 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:13.400 really traveling the shoulder season. You going to Rome in 0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:17.759 November much bet are much more enjoyable. So start And 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:20.760 I know a lot of families you know have spring break, 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:23.640 but instead of spring break in the Bahamas and paying 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:27.840 an exorbitant amount, think about Portugal. You know, the flights 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:30.040 can be the same. So just I encourage people to 0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:33.319 start thinking against the grain going to more unique destinations. 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:37.120 I am an optimist in general, but the airlines Delta 0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.200 came out with an investor day. They're going to continue 0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:44.160 squeezing out revenue. So Jet Blue now charges for a 0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.279 dynamic fee for check bags, meaning you don't even know 0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:47.920 how much your bag's going to cost till you check in. 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:49.759 It could be up with seventy five dollars, you know, 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.680 one hundred dollars flight. So getting this is where getting 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:54.719 an airline cobra and if you fly Jet Blue several 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:56.720 times a year, just get the Cobra and it's eighty 0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:58.920 bucks a year and you get you and your family 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:00.640 get free bags every time you fly. 0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:02.080 So I didn't even know that. 0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:04.560 Yeah, so get an airline card for the perks, but 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.800 spend on a card that will let you transfer to 0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:08.799 multiple airliness. 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.919 Everybody listening, you must get this book, How to Win 0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:16.000 at Travel, coming out in February of twenty twenty five. 0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:19.080 Can't wait for it to come out. Really, this is 0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:22.040 a very useful book and I hopefully will help all 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:26.320 of us travel better and more efficiently and more luxuriously 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:29.520 in the future. I think it's so good of you 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:30.640 to write this book for us. 0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:33.680 Thank you, Markin. Really, you've definitely been an inspiration in 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:34.680 the How to Space. 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:38.040 Now listen, I want to do a little lightning around 0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:40.560 with you. Okay, check in or carry. 0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:42.240 On carry on when possible. 0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.400 What are your travel pet Peeves. 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.160 This is a new one. I hate when people wear 0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:51.080 a so stinkiness on planes. I don't mind those oh perfumes. 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.960 Can we have a discussion about oo oh ooh, Martha. 0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.319 I was at Barry's boot camp yesterday and the guy 0:35:57.360 --> 0:35:59.759 next to me had so much tom Ford ood I 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.080 actually had to move. I had to move od And 0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.640 I mean, I don't know, Harry Mclair Angel, it's time 0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.680 that we either dilute it or just put it to pasture, 0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:13.800 because when you know, I agree, favorite seats, favorite seats. 0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.000 I mean I'm a window seat guy, through and through 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:18.640 me too. Yeah. 0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:21.640 Earliest travel memory my parents. 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:25.160 We would go to Florida as kids, and actually my 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:27.560 dad and my two brothers, my dad taught us. We 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:31.200 were gaming family cards, Rummy and I remember learning blackjack 0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:34.440 in the Florida keys, like using pennies, and that's like 0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:36.440 one of my earliest Like me and my brothers and 0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:36.879 my dad. 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:39.120 Favorite airline are you allowed? 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:42.440 Oh yeah, I mean I can say I don't have 0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:46.120 like I'm a free agent these days, I will say, well, 0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:49.280 Etty hod Is, you know the Abu Dhabi based airline 0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:51.759 has what's called the Residents and it's a double bed. 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:53.800 You get your own bedroom with double bed and you 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:55.760 why I love this is you can set the temperature 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:58.040 to the bedroom your own and I sleep at sixty 0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:01.799 seven degrees, so frette linens and sixty seven degrees and 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:05.080 a closing door for fifteen hours to Abu Dhabi. It's 0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:06.400 like that is the ultimate. 0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:08.279 Oh, and I have to go to Abu Dhabi's I 0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:11.160 will help you book it, Okay, I will call fabulous. 0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:12.160 Favorite airport? 0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:16.480 Ooh, favorite airport? You know this one's you know, Singapore 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:18.959 Airport is you know, globally renowned, but I like saying 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:24.200 pomp Springs. It is the most charming outdoor desert airport. 0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:25.360 It just makes me smile. 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.120 Most unforgettable travel experience. 0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:32.839 I have to say taking my parents. My parents are 0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:36.400 my rock and so being able to take them on trips. 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:39.560 We did it an around the world trip. My dad 0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:42.520 is Brian. I'm Brian and one of the people I 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:44.279 do charity work with in Ghana. As a thank you 0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:46.680 to me for supporting their charity, he named his final 0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:49.920 son Brian Kelly. Oh, so there's a little Brian Kelly 0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.719 and Ghana. So my dad, mom and I we flew 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.719 from London to Akra and I'd use miles and it 0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:57.520 was on the British Airway seven forty seven. And we 0:37:57.560 --> 0:37:59.080 get on the plane and we're the only three people 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.000 in first class and my parents just look at me like, 0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:03.719 you know, we're on the Queen of the Skies, this 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.279 iconic plane going. They just look at me like we're 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:08.600 going to Ghana for a baby. Man. 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:13.160 It was like, yeah, that's the way. 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:15.280 As a kid from Bucks County, you know, like that's. 0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:18.040 A hotel that does luxury the best. 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:21.600 Oh, I mean, I love Rosewood Hotels as like a brand. 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:25.839 They've got some really fabulous properties. But I love also adventures. 0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:28.960 So Nihi is a hotel in Indonesia on the island 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.080 of Sumba. My friend Chris Perch owns it and it 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:33.880 was the number one hotel in the world through Travel 0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:36.239 and Leisure several years. But it's it takes forever to 0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:40.040 get there, but it is exquisite. There's wild horses that 0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:43.440 run along the beach and they're really integrated into the 0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:45.880 local culture. So I say skip Bali and go to Simba. 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:48.920 You heard it here some best packing tip. 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:53.439 I am just a huge fan of the foal well. 0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:56.040 Besides the air tag pack and air tag and everything. 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:58.480 But I do. I'm a fold I put everything, like 0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:00.840 all my shirts, well, I'll start with my blazers and 0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.040 then put shirts and then I just fold everything in 0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:05.480 half and half and I almost never have to iron. 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.760 All my pants get stacked half half. They don't crease 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:11.040 because when they're in a big enough pack, it's not 0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:12.000 tight enough to crease. 0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:15.359 I have, I have a I have a very good thing. 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.560 I put all my dresses, all my shirts, all my 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:22.080 sweaters on hangers on the middle fingers hangers, and then 0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:26.040 I put each piece of clothing in a plastic cleaner bag. 0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.279 And when you fold that into thirds and lay them 0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:33.200 down into your suitcase, nothing, nothing gets wrinkled. 0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:34.600 And then you're able to just hang it out. Because right, 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:37.480 let's talk about my other pet peeve in life is hotels. 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:39.759 Beautiful hotels. I'll get upgraded. The penow sweet and there's 0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:42.520 three hangers. Yeah, what is going on? Hotels can? 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:46.560 But that's my thing is it's absolutely. 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:48.319 Pen yeah, and it makes keeps them clean and it 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:48.839 makes yeah. 0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:51.200 And I use and I use the trunk that Romoa 0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:53.759 metal stuff trunk because you can. 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:55.760 You ever do package you don't use packing cubes? 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:59.440 Do you or know thing you never leave home without? 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.600 When I travel, it's my Bo's headphones control your environment. 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:05.719 Even if there's a crying kid, who cares, I'll just 0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.080 crank up my own music. 0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:11.400 Bos So Brian, thank you so much for joining us today. 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:16.840 This has been not only enlightening but educational and very helpful. 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:18.319 Or do we follow you at? 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:21.360 The Points Guy is the company's website, and social is 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.360 my personal travels and Points Guy, The Points Guy g 0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:28.280 u I and then I'm at Brian Kelly on Instagram 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:30.320 and there you can or how to win at travel 0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:32.440 dot com to pre order your book today. 0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:37.080 Have a very happy Christmas and travel safely as we 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:37.800 all are going to. 0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.719 Thank you, Martha, and happiest of holidays to you and 0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:41.200 your family.