1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a reporter stabbed dead, repeat, 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: stabbed dead after a Vegas politician's sex affair exposed. And 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: when I say exposed, I mean exposed. We have video 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: of this politician, you know, I hate politicians getting out 5 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: of his vehicle, like tucking his shirt in the front 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: and then the woman gets out basically adjusting her pantyhose. 7 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 8 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: being with US. 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: Journalist Jeff German walks straight into an ambush attack. He 10 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: was stabbed four times in the neck and three in 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: the torso. 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, just whoa whoa? Wait wait, headpounding again. 13 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm seeing my pulse in my eyeballs. I'm need the 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: medical examiner. But hold on, before I go to Jaywan Jung, 15 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: Vegas senior reporter KT and V, let me go to 16 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: my longtime colleague, doctor Michelle dupri forensic pathologist, medical uh oh, 17 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: I see Troy Slayton already squirming in a seat, high 18 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: profile defense attorney. I beg you are squirming, doctor Dupree again, 19 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former detective, author her new book 20 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: Money Mischief, Murder, The Murdog saga. This is the one 21 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: that I'm most interested in. Homicide investigation field guide. You 22 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: can find her at Dmichelle dupremd dot com. Okay, that aside, 23 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: did you hear that, doctor Dupree? 24 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: Four stabs to the neck? 25 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you and I have been on a lot 26 00:01:54,560 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: of crime scenes, but a stab to the jugular blood 27 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: spurts out like a water sprinkler everywhere. 28 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: Nancy, that's devastating. 29 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean I opened this up, doctor Dupree, talking about 30 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: how you know we've got that video of the politician 31 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: getting out of his vehicle adjusting his clothes, and then 32 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: you see the woman I'll never forget at one of 33 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: my other TV homes, which she'll go unnamed. There was 34 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: an office affair of a big haun show, I might add, 35 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: and late at night he spotted walking through the knees 36 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: room and then followed in like thirty seconds later. That's 37 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: not obvious by the woman with her skirt still tucked, 38 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: Dancy Repenny hose. Guess what nobody said anything? She walked 39 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: through the whole newsroom like that. Okay, that said, Doctor Dupree. 40 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: Can I not think about her straightening her dress for 41 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: a moment? Back to the four stab ones to the neck. 42 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 4: Explain well, Nancy, as you've mentioned, that would have been 43 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: massive blood everywhere. I mean, as you said, it would 44 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 4: have spurted out. It would have been a horrible crime scene. 45 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 4: And then three to the back of the torso. 46 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: Okay, we've got the stabos to the neck and you 47 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: were saying, doctor dupree, what were the other wounds? 48 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: There were three to the torso as well. That's overkill. 49 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a lot. It sounds almost like a frenzy. Okay, 50 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: what do we know? Take a listen to Captain Dorry Kuran. 51 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 5: We began our homicide investigation about five days ago on Saturday, 52 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 5: September third. This was after we received a NAOI one 53 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 5: call of an unresponsive mail that was found on the 54 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 5: side of his home. Our preliminary investigation revealed that the 55 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 5: unresponsive mail was deceased as a result of stabbings. We 56 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 5: also determined pretty quickly that the victim was Jeff German. 57 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 5: Jeff Garmmon's a well known investigative reporter, and that was 58 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 5: taken into account immediately. 59 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: Guys. 60 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make sense of what we're learning 61 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: right now. Preliminary rests stigation reveals unresponsive mail already de 62 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: ceased with four sad ones to the neck, including the 63 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: jugular running right here. That goes without saying already de ceased. 64 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: He didn't make it to the hospital. We determined quickly 65 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: the victim was Jeff Garman, well known investigative reporter, and 66 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: that was taken into account immediately. Translation they knew exactly 67 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: who the victim was. Okay, what do we know about him? 68 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Vanessa Murphy klastv. 69 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 6: Jeff Garman, longtime Las Vegas reporter, was originally at another 70 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 6: newspaper here, then went to the Review Journal for at 71 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 6: least the past decade. Well respected. I know his colleagues, 72 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 6: they had nothing bad to say about him. Just a 73 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 6: tenacious reporter. And as an investigative journalist, oftentimes we are 74 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 6: uncovering truths that people do not want to be uncovered, 75 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 6: and he was doing that on a regular basis. 76 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 7: But that's part of the job. 77 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 6: And I think it's interesting that his colleagues say that 78 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 6: he never felt like he was in immediate danger at 79 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 6: the time. 80 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: Joining me Jaywan June Senior reporter or senior investigative reporter 81 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: k t In the ABC affiliate Vegas, jay One, thank 82 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: you for being with us. You know what photo I 83 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: like the most of our victim, Jeff German, The one 84 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: of him smiling. It looks like a headshot that he 85 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: may have had taken because it looks like he's just 86 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: about to break into laughter, like he's just holding it 87 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: in long enough for the camera to click. And that's 88 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: what I have learned about him during this investigation, that 89 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: all the other reporters loved him, that's who he was, 90 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: and he had no idea that in his diggie he 91 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: was going to end up did. 92 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 8: I think it's really interesting that Las Vegas Review Journal 93 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 8: editor in chief Glen Cook even said that when German's 94 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,119 Speaker 8: murder happened, so many people could have wanted him killed 95 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 8: because he did expose corruption in Las Vegas for so long, 96 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 8: for pretty much four decades. 97 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment, a jay One, you stated 98 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: uncovering corruption, Now, well, that means in my mind, I've 99 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: prosecuted a lot of homicide cases. But when you're dealing 100 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: with players that are powerful, that can pull strings, that 101 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: will have prestige, money, position lost if their secrets are uncovered, 102 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: that's deadly. That's like playing with a rattlesteak. What do 103 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: you mean this guy uncovered corruption? 104 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, Jeff Garman was known as the mob reporter in 105 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 8: Las veg Vegas, and he wanted to expose corrupt politicians. 106 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 8: That was sort of his whole beat while he was 107 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 8: at the Las Vegas Review Journal. 108 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: Explain, like what he. 109 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 8: Wanted to see if there was any turmoil in workplaces. 110 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 8: He wanted to see if politicians were abusing their power, 111 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 8: and he wanted to uncover that and expose that to 112 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 8: the people of the Las Vegas Valley. 113 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: Guys, what do we know about this reporter fining those 114 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: in power that he believed were corrupt? And what do 115 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: we know about his murder? 116 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 5: Listen, the suspect was wearing an orange shirt with reflective. 117 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: Stripes, a straw hat, and was. 118 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 5: Carrying a Duffel bag and what was likely an attempt 119 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 5: to either disguise his identity or conceal his identity. 120 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: Okay, joining me right now. Troy Slayton, high profile lawyer 121 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: out of La hold On, Troy, can I see a 122 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: picture of this? The captain had it right beside him 123 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: as he was giving the press release. The perp is 124 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Okay, you might as well take an 125 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: ad on Third Avenue. Look at me, this is some 126 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: get up reflective strips. Look look at the video. You 127 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: think nobody's going to notice that, TROYE. 128 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: Layton. It looks like a worker on the street that 129 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 3: you would see in construction sites all over the Las 130 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: Vegas area. 131 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't to me, wearing a giant straw hat doing 132 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: what No, what in a huge duffel bag. Why do 133 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: you say that? Looks like a normal worker on the 134 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: side of the street. 135 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: Person's wearing gloves. It looks like they have work pants, 136 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 3: a hat on, reflective vest. Looks like a construction worker, 137 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: or a street maintenance worker, or any number of construction 138 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: workers that you'd see in the Las Vegas area. 139 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: Okay, guys, what more do we know about this suspect? 140 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: In quite the get up. 141 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 5: We also know that the suspect was walking westbound approaching 142 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 5: Garman's home on Friday, September two, the day prior to 143 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 5: us being notified. On that morning, he approached mister Garman's 144 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 5: home and went to the side of the house. Shortly after, 145 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 5: Garriman came outside of the garage door and then went 146 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 5: to the side of the house and ultimately an altercation 147 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 5: took place between the suspect and the victim. 148 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 7: Our victim was stab multiple times. 149 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: So too you. Erv Brandt joining US former Senior Inspector 150 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: with the US Marshall Service, the International Investigations Branch Chief 151 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: Inspector also DOJ Office International Affairs and ATSJA across the world, 152 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: and he has just released his fifth novel in his 153 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: Jack solo series. Wow, I want to who that's patterned 154 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: after Forever Solo Night of the Dragon. Erv, thanks for 155 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: being with us. Can we look at this guy one 156 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: more time? He's wearing bright orange. You don't usually see 157 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: burglars wearing bright orange, a big straw hat, drawing attention 158 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: to himself himself. So what do you make of this? 159 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: And we know he was walking westbound approaching German's home 160 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: on Friday, the day prior to police being notified. 161 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 9: Nancy, I hate to agree with defense counsel, but I 162 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 9: live in Las Vegas. This is what you see every 163 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 9: day on the streets of Las Vegas. If you want 164 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 9: to go unnoticed, the lawn care workers wear bright colors 165 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 9: to reflect the heat. If you want to go unnoticed 166 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 9: and especially disguise your appearance with that hat. 167 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 3: That's the way to go. 168 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: This suspected killer caught on surveillance video dressed as a 169 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: road worker donning an orange work shirt, a wide straw 170 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 2: hat and gloves, approaching German's home and. 171 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: Stalking the reporter's home the day before. This is what 172 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: more we've learned. 173 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 5: On day two of our major case protocol, we developed 174 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 5: a very critical lead, which was a vehicle that we identified. 175 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 5: It was a maroon colored gmc denali that was suspiciously 176 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 5: driving around in the neighborhood on the morning of the 177 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 5: murder prior to the murder and then certainly was there 178 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 5: at the time when the murder happened. That vehicle had 179 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 5: stopped multiple times throughout the neighborhood and was behaving suspiciously 180 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 5: or was suspicious. So we determined that the suspect wearing 181 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 5: the orange shirt had fled in that vehicle, which connected 182 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 5: the vehicle to the suspect. 183 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, this is reminding me, 184 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm a fingerprint. The glam yoga instructor, remember her, Titlin 185 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: Armstrong who stalked her victim, a world class dirt bike 186 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: rider up and coming, and she stalked her all the 187 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: way to a friend's home and was caught because of 188 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: her vehicle. There you see it. There is Kaitlin Armstrong 189 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: very slowly circling like a vulture around Mariah's, the place 190 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: that she's staying in town for a competition, and there 191 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: you go, spot it, bust it. So in this particular case, 192 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: we see a getaway car. Could I see that the 193 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: gmc denali maroon in color suspiciously driving through the neighborhood 194 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: same way as Kaitlin Armstrong the morning of the murder 195 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: prior to the murder, and at the time the murder happened, 196 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: the vehicle stopped multiple times, and that is suspicious. 197 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 3: That's suspicious. 198 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: Now, Troy Slayton is going to tell us how it's 199 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: not suspicious at all, but it is. How arrogant is this? 200 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: Just like Caitlin Armstrong, You think you can pull up 201 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: to a murder saying and you're big honk and maroon 202 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: gmc denali and nobody notices. 203 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 10: And how about Brian Coberger who just turns his phone 204 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 10: on and off and has the white car that he 205 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 10: drives around with. It is arrogant, Nancy. This gives us 206 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 10: really good insight into the psychological profiles of this perpetrator 207 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 10: of Caitlin. They feel that they're above the law. They 208 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 10: don't think that anybody can see what they're doing. I 209 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 10: doubt that this perpetrator rented this Denali in order to 210 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 10: commit the crime. This is probably his own car. This 211 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 10: is easily traceable. So when we think about what Garman 212 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 10: was reporting on, I think what we're going to discover 213 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 10: that whatever crime or whatever story he was in the 214 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 10: process of uncovering, it was so blatant, so transparent, that 215 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 10: he had multiple people coming forward. And you know, I'm 216 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 10: wondering if there was another twist and turned to the 217 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 10: plot of what Garriman was reporting on, like what was 218 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 10: the next big news that was about to come out? 219 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 10: That this perpetrator is so frenzied in his attempt to 220 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 10: kill the reporter. 221 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of the car, let me go to IRV Brant, 222 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: who has tracked down people all over the globe. Could 223 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: I see the video in the parking deck where the 224 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: county official is getting out and adjusting his clothes, and 225 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: then I believe she's an employee, gets out. They're trundling 226 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: forward out of the back seat of the Denali. Gee, 227 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: I wonder what they were doing back there. Okay, wait 228 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: for it. The point is not him and her adjusting 229 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: their clothing. But hey, this video for my friends at 230 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: the Vegas Review Journal IRV Brant. How many perps make 231 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: it just so easy? 232 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 9: You're exactly right, Nancy. They're very few evil geniuses. Criminals 233 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 9: don't tend to be smart. That's why they're criminals. And 234 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 9: driving a vehicle associated with you, something that you've been 235 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 9: seeing driving all the time, driving it to a crime 236 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 9: scene or a potential crime scene something you intend to 237 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 9: do is just a massive mistake and police work we 238 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 9: call this a clue. 239 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: So I guess Troy Slayton, criminal defense Atorney joining Us 240 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: out of LA will say that it's not suspicious for 241 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: you to drive round and around the neighborhood, stopping in 242 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: front of the victim's home. 243 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 3: Well, that certainly could be suspicious, but there's a lot 244 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: of strange things involved in this case, including the allegation 245 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: of police possibly even planting evidence. Somebody driving around in 246 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: a neighborhood is not suspicious, And so I think that 247 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 3: you're allowed to drive your vehicle anywhere. And this person 248 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: was writing a story. This is an investigative reporter writing 249 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 3: a story about this person, so maybe he does want 250 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: to get some information about the reporter. 251 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: Okay, I'll just say that we've got Caitlin Armstrong's vehicle 252 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: caught on surveillance video going around and around and around 253 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: her victims home. We also have let's think Rex Huerman, 254 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: is he ringing a bell? The alleged Long Island serial 255 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: killer who always drives his Chevy Avalanche, his green Chevy 256 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: Avalanche to various locations connected to a series of brutal 257 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: murders of escorts, and what he thought nobody would notice? 258 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: And even when the bodies were being found along Gilgo Beach, 259 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: what was parked in the front of his house Chevy Avalanche. 260 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: See that's too. And another just recently, a young wife 261 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: gunned down abound six point fifty a m setting up 262 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: a yard sell outside her home and with her ring 263 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: doorbell camera working, you see the perp going back and 264 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: forth in front of the house. I mean, you know, 265 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: bottom line, it's age old, tried and true investigative work. 266 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: But let's talk about motive for one moment. Let me 267 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: get off the car, the vehicle spotted outside the murder scene, 268 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: and talk about motive. Listen. 269 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 6: In this video, we see a car parked in I 270 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 6: believe a mall parking. 271 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 3: Garage, and it appears that. 272 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 6: A Clark County Public Administrator, Robert Tellis, is in the 273 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 6: back seat with one of his employees. They are back there. 274 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 6: We see some movement. He gets out of the right side, 275 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 6: she gets out of the left, sort of poultry skirt. 276 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: Down to Jaiwan John joining us investigatory report kt n V. 277 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: They're in Vegas. It's not just an alleged office affair, 278 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: although I do believe the so claimed mistress is listed 279 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: as a witness on an indictment, which tells me there 280 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: may be fire where we're claiming we see smoke. It's 281 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: not that German was totally interested in some office romance 282 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: or some illicit sex affair. It was much deeper than 283 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: that what German was investigating. 284 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. There were several workers. 285 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 8: At the Clark County Public Administrator's office who claimed that 286 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 8: because of Tellus, the office was in turmoil. They claimed 287 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 8: that Tellis was power tripping and that he creating a 288 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 8: hostile work environment, and they actually brought it up to 289 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 8: Clark County to try and get these problems addressed. But 290 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 8: because they weren't listening to their issues, the public Administrator's 291 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 8: office workers decided to take their concerns to Jeff Gearman, 292 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 8: and they said that Jeff Gearman was the one person 293 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 8: who listened to them. 294 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, are you telling me, Jaywan that the 295 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: employees and the staff that worked there. 296 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 3: Had tried to bring. 297 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: It up, had tried to get it fixed, that worked under. 298 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 7: Robert Tellis, Yeah, that's right. 299 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 8: They did try to take their concerns to Clark County, 300 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 8: but they said that the county didn't listen to them, 301 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 8: so they decided to take their concerns to a reporter. 302 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 2: The suspected killer caught on surveillance video dressed as a 303 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 2: road worker donning an orange work shirt, a wide straw hat, 304 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: and gloves approaching German's home. 305 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: Okay, what do we know. We know that this Vegas 306 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: official is accused. I'm not just a sex affair with 307 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: an employee, that's bad enough, but an a so called 308 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: toxic workplace where employees were mistreated and bullied. When employees 309 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: asked for a change, asked for improvement, no one would listen. 310 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: Can you imagine that one politician not calling the other 311 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: one on foul play. 312 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 3: Nothing was done. 313 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: There was no change at all. So whether they do 314 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: they call an investigative reporter, they call Jeff German, well 315 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: known in the area for busting corruption in the government. 316 00:20:54,760 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: There he is, He's dead. It's not just about out. 317 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: A toxic affair is so much deeper than that. Listen. 318 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 6: Robert Tellis sort of started on this is an office 319 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 6: with a history of problems, and he would come in 320 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 6: and help clean it up. And what employees told the 321 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 6: Review Journal is that did not happen. And it seems 322 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 6: that issues continued and he was he's their boss, and 323 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 6: sort of bullied employees and made things even worse. 324 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: Straight back out to Jaywan Juhn joining us KT in 325 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: the explain to me what exactly was alleged about the 326 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: office and what did this mean to Robert tell Us? 327 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 3: What was his position? 328 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 8: Robert Tellis was the county public administrator, which a lot of. 329 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 7: People will be like, well, what is a county public administrator? 330 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 8: It is a low level elected official basically the person 331 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 8: who oversees the estates of a person who passes away 332 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 8: and determines the next of kin. And yeah, people in 333 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 8: his office said because of this alleged affair that was 334 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 8: happening in his office. He was asserting favoritism towards one 335 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 8: certain employee. Rita Reid, who's the current county public administrator, 336 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 8: actually said that she was one of the supervisors in 337 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 8: the office, but as soon as Robert Tellis came in 338 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 8: as the Clark County Public Administrator, he allegedly told her 339 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 8: that no one would be reporting to her anymore and 340 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 8: that everyone would be just reporting to him. 341 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: Jaiwan Juhn. 342 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: We have a photo of him standing posed with a 343 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: woman and three children. 344 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 3: I'm guessing that's his wife. 345 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 7: Yes, that's correct, So. 346 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 3: He had a lot to lose. 347 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: Now you referred to him as a low level county official. 348 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: What exactly did his office do? 349 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 8: So his office oversees the estates of people when they 350 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 8: pass away, and they determine who the next of kin 351 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 8: is so. 352 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 7: That they could safeguard the deceiven's property. 353 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: Okay, that's worth killing over. 354 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: Tell me about this, Jaywan, I understand that, Hey, the 355 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: low level county official. Tell Us had been railing against 356 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: Jeff German for months, really attacking him in an angry 357 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: series of messages on social media. 358 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 8: Why so, Jeff Gearman's first article that came out about 359 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 8: tell Us' work environment was I believe in May of 360 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 8: twenty twenty two, and I think the headline is something 361 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 8: like tell US's office is mired in turmoil. Then soon 362 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 8: after that a coroner came in to basically supervise the 363 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 8: office and determine if there is corruption going on in 364 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 8: the office. 365 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 7: And then just a few weeks after after that, Tellus lost. 366 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 8: His reelection bid in the primary row, so he was 367 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 8: not going to be Clark County Public administrator anymore. 368 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: So He's got a wife with three children. He has 369 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: a series of stories written by German exposing turmoil within 370 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: his office and claims he was having an affair with 371 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: an employee. He also has about one hundred and twenty 372 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: thousand dollar salary that's going right down the crapper. So 373 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: he starts retaliation online, attacking German with a series of 374 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: angry and explosive postings. What would the postings say, Jay? 375 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 8: One the postings with saying something like German is a liar, 376 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 8: that he's not telling the truth. Yeah, you could see 377 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 8: it in those pictures right there, saying that he's looking 378 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 8: forward to lying. Smear piece Number four clearly tell Us 379 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 8: seemed pretty disgruntled by the articles that Jeff German wrote 380 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 8: about him. 381 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: Now he gets thrown out of office and all this 382 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: comes out about his affair, his alleged affair. 383 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 3: But isn't it true? 384 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: A woman named Roberta Lee Kinnett where the husband and children, 385 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: is listed on the indictment as a witness. 386 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 8: Sitting in on the jury selection for the last few days. 387 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 8: I can tell you she is listed as a witness 388 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 8: who is expected to testify and trial to Troy. 389 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: Slaton joining us high profile lawyer out of La Troy. 390 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: Typically a witness list is typed on the back of 391 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: an indictment. Why so the defendant when the indictment is 392 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: read out loud in court at what we call an arrayment, 393 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: and a copy of that indictment is physically handed to 394 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: either the defendant or hiss or defense attorney, they can 395 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: see pursue it to the sixth Amendment, So far that 396 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 1: juncture who the witnesses will be against them that the 397 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: state is intending to call. Now that witness list can 398 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: be added. You don't have to state doesn't have to 399 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: call all of those witnesses, but you've got to give 400 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: those witnesses and a way to reach them to the 401 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: defendant and or his lawyer. 402 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 3: Correct, that's correct, Nancy. Or sometimes if it's not attached 403 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 3: to the indictment, it's attached to the police report, which 404 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 3: is given to the defendant at the time of the arrayment. 405 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 3: The arrangment is the fancy legal word for hearing what 406 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 3: the charges are against you and having the opportunity to 407 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 3: enter a plea. In this case, he's entered a plea 408 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: of not guilty. He's maintained his innocence, and he's been 409 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: held without bail since the time of his arrest. And 410 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 3: he's claiming here that at the time he was arrested 411 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: that the police were engaged in some shenanigans. Specific they 412 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 3: magically lost the video, the bodycam video the defense attorneys 413 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 3: rely on, that courts rely on it magically disappeared and 414 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 3: it is not available to the defense to be used 415 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 3: in this case. 416 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: Okay, great, did I ask you about the bodycam video 417 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: because I'm going to give you a great opportunity to 418 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: scream about what the police have done wrong. But I 419 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: don't think they've got anything to do with those four 420 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: stabs to the jugular vein. But what I'm asking you about. 421 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: Let me redirect your attention to the question I asked you, Troy, 422 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: which I know you're trying to avoid. What do you 423 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: think he thinks when he looks down at that indictment 424 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: list and he sees the namer BERTI Lee Kinnett, a 425 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: woman alleged to have had an inappropriate relationship with him. 426 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: Tell us out that must have. 427 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 3: Hurt or she might be a helpful witness. Who knows. 428 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 3: We won't know until his attorney is able to test 429 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 3: her right a bill. He's on the state's witness list. 430 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: I doubt she's going to be helpful to him. 431 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 3: Well, she might be on cross examination. 432 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: Well, you're right. 433 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 3: Things can turn on a dime when a good criminal 434 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 3: defense attorney engages in cross examination crime stories. 435 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace, we were just talking about the alleged 436 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: other woman, ROBERTA Lee Kennett, the one with the wife 437 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: and the two children. Not judging, don't care. All I 438 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: care about is solving this murder. We know that she 439 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: was transferred to another county office, but I understand that 440 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: she was an estate coordinator in public administration under Robert 441 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: Tellus's rule, so she would have been working there now 442 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall, I don't want to hear any 443 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: trashing of this woman. You know why, because her boss 444 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: apparently was instigating an affair with her. 445 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 3: Is it wrong? 446 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, that's for her and her husband to work out. 447 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: But when your boss is making advances on you, not me, 448 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: but a lot of women would think they had to 449 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: go along with it to keep their job. And I'm 450 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: not saying that's what happened here, but I am saying 451 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: he was her superior Nancy. 452 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 10: The responsibility lies squarely with him. He's at the boss 453 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 10: and in terms of approaching her for an affair, this 454 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 10: is an abuse of power. When there's a power differential 455 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 10: between two people and there's an affair, the first thing 456 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 10: I always think is that the person with the less 457 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 10: power really felt. 458 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: Afraid to say no. 459 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 10: Again, we don't know for sure that that's a fact, 460 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 10: but that is a great possibility. 461 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 7: Nancy. 462 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,239 Speaker 10: Robert Teller seems to display so many traits that are 463 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 10: typical of sociopaths, for instance, lack of cause and affair thinking, 464 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 10: driving back and forth with the Denali and walking down 465 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 10: the street with that strange get up that he thinks 466 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 10: he's not going to be caught manipulativeness. He seemed to 467 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 10: be quite manipulative in his office, gravitating towards positions of power. 468 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 10: Think about it, he had access to power, sex, and 469 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 10: money through his job. And most of all, with sociopaths, 470 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 10: what you see is a thin veneer of affability, Like 471 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 10: they look sort of friendly on the surface, but it 472 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 10: hides a cold, calculated interior. So here he's this public official, 473 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 10: he's running for office, but all these vengeful texts that 474 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 10: he's putting out there really display who he is as 475 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 10: a person, and that's someone who plots and plans and 476 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 10: who is quite vengeful. 477 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the hard evidence. 478 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 5: Listen, there was a vehicle that matches suspects the vehicle 479 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 5: description in that maroon gmc Denali that was parked in 480 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 5: front of Tellus's home. It was registered to his wife, 481 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 5: and then we ultimately developed video evidence to show that 482 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 5: that vehicle, the gmc de Dolli park in front of 483 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 5: tell US's home, had departed around nine am in the 484 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 5: morning on the day of the murder and returned around 485 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 5: twelve pm just after the murder, which matched our timeline. 486 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 3: So wow, he tricked me. 487 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: He used his wife's car. Okay, it's not just. 488 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 3: About the car. There's more. 489 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: Listen. 490 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 5: We recovered a pair of shoes that match the suspects description. 491 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 5: There's a parent blood on the shoes, and the shoes 492 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 5: were cut, likely in a manner to try to destroy evidence. 493 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 5: We recovered a straw hat that was also cut in 494 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 5: a manner that was likely to destroy the evidence. And 495 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 5: that straw hat, as you can see, matches the one 496 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 5: in the photo. And we received positive DNA results that 497 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 5: showed Robert tell us his DNA at the crime scene. 498 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: Troy Slyton, you still want to tell me that straw 499 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: hat doesn't matter. 500 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 3: No, it might matter, and it might have been planted 501 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 3: by the police. So, and that's not unheard of in 502 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 3: this country that the police, when they've got somebody that 503 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 3: they want to they believe is their purp as the 504 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 3: term you like to use, they may want to make 505 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 3: their case stronger by leaving some evidence and by getting 506 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 3: rid of other evidence, which we know for a fact 507 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 3: in this case, they magically lost all the video of 508 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 3: his arrest. So is it really such a stretch to 509 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 3: think if they're willing to lose important arrest video in 510 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 3: this case, they might be willing to place some other 511 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 3: incriminating evidence. 512 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you just said that because Jaywan John 513 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: joining us KT and V. 514 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 3: Isn't it true? When tell Us. 515 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: Finally gets arrested for the murder of journalist Jeff German, 516 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: he has to be carried away on a stretcher. Talk 517 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: about a drama, queen, Are you serious? What hyperventilates and 518 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: falls onto a stretcher. The guy is dead from four 519 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: stab wounds to the neck and to the torso, and 520 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: this one what loses his breath and has to be 521 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: taken away on a stretcher. 522 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, he was taken away on a stretcher and police 523 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 8: said they found self inflicted wounds on his body. 524 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: Okay, you know it just never ends with this guy. 525 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: And to you, doctor Michelle Dupre, renowned pathologist and author. 526 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: You hear Troy Slayton claiming the police planted it. Hey, 527 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: doctor Dupree, I. 528 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 3: Guess, I guess. 529 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: I'll say, great minds, think alight, listen, I say that that. 530 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 9: Evidence, are so called evidence, was planted along with the 531 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 9: other items that were allegedly found in my home as well, 532 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 9: and we will go ahead and. 533 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 3: Prove that a trial. 534 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: That's tell us blabbing when forty eight hours our friends 535 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: at CBS. Okay, doctor Dupree, I'm so happy that he 536 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: was so arrogant. He spoke to the media and he says, 537 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: I say the evidence are so called evidence was planted 538 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: along with other items allegedly found in my home as well, 539 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: and we will go ahead and we will prove that 540 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: at trial. I was framed. Okay, So how would they 541 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: do this? Oh, so, doctor Dupray, what would the I 542 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: guess the medical examiner, you how would you have snuck 543 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: into tell Us his home, find his shoes all ripped 544 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: up and put blood on them? 545 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, I really can't think of another way to 546 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 4: do that, and I don't know any medical examiner that 547 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 4: would do it. But you know, certainly, because blood was 548 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 4: on the shoes, those shoes had to come in contact 549 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 4: with the victim. I mean, this is crazy, totally bogus, 550 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 4: totally bogus. 551 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 11: Because of the relentless follow up of our detectives and 552 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 11: with your help, I'm here to announce the rest of 553 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 11: forty five year old Robert tell Us. 554 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 7: Okay. 555 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 11: He was booked in the Clark County Detention Center last 556 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 11: night on the charge of open. 557 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: Murder, tell Us busted, tell Us arrested. But I just 558 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: want to talk about what we heard earlier about the 559 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: allented perp ending up on a stretcher at the time 560 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: of a restless. 561 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 3: And the foot. 562 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 5: As you saw him coming out on the stretcher, he 563 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 5: had self inflicted wounds and we were trying to provide 564 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 5: medical attention to help him. 565 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 3: They were non life threatening. 566 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: Talk about a drama, Queen, Doctor Bethany Marshall, throwing yourself 567 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: on a stretcher. What hyperventilating from your self inflated wounds? 568 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 10: You know. I think Robert tell Us has what probably 569 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 10: is my favorite personality disorder of all time is called 570 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 10: historic personality disorder, and that's what a person engages in dramatic, 571 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 10: rapidly fluctuating emotions and behaviors that appear deep in nature, 572 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 10: but they're. 573 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: Not deep at all. 574 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 10: They're just designed to get out of some consequence or 575 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 10: therefore attention getting purposes. 576 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: That's all. 577 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 10: I didn't you call it judge dishonest or a liar 578 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 10: in one of the interviews, and also in terms of 579 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 10: the historyonics. His attempts to manipulate everybody are so thin. 580 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 10: I mean, there's that jail house call. Obviously he's just 581 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 10: thinking about the judge, the public, the jurors, and he 582 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 10: thinks people are going to believe him. His capacity to 583 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 10: see himself and to reflect it is so low, Nancy. 584 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 10: It reminds me of that one story you and I 585 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 10: covered years ago about the criminals that was trying to 586 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 10: burglarize a house and he got caught in the chimney. 587 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 10: Remember that one. 588 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 7: This kind of has that quality to it. 589 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 10: You can't really see what's coming at him. 590 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 6: You know. 591 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: Alexander Pope had a saying, and I'm going to bastardize it. 592 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: Pope said, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I say, 593 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: a little power is a dangerous thing. Here we've got 594 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: an evil Bonnie Fife who has power over other people 595 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 1: that work for him and the county government for Pete's 596 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: sake on wills and estates administrative work. 597 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 3: But this guy is a bully. 598 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 1: I'll want you to hear on nine on one call 599 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: that we obtained. 600 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 7: Listen, you're emergency school when seven eighty seventy you need police, 601 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 7: fire or medical? 602 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: Yes? Right? 603 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 7: Can you please send somebody here? My husband is going crazy. 604 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 7: He's trying to make him like he hurt him or something. 605 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 7: He just won't leave us alone. 606 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 3: He had too much to drink tonight. 607 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: Kind OF's just worth the Me and. 608 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 3: My kids are scared. 609 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 7: Okay, has anybody been had a freshman? 610 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 3: Well, he tried to hurt me, but that it's fun. 611 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:33,760 Speaker 6: He hasn't touched me since. 612 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 3: Nobody in an ambulance. 613 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: No, no ambulance. 614 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 10: Just somebody to. 615 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 6: Come, okay, I'm down, or somebody out there, and you 616 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 6: have the call that rate. 617 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: What you are hearing is tell Us and his wife 618 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 1: who had spent an evening at the Bellagio Upscale Resort 619 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: hotel in Vegas. He gets drunk and attacks his wife 620 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: allegedly the car on the way home, and he's screaming, 621 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: kill me, kill me. Okay, doctor Bethany, I'm just a 622 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: trial lawyer. I'm dealing with a horrific murder. You heard 623 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: what doctor Michelle Duprey said about these stab wounds to 624 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: his neck and his Torso you just heard that nine 625 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: to one one call a belligerent bully way in well, not. 626 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 10: Only belligerent, but sadistic, ragefull homicidal. I think you know 627 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 10: these men and women who commit homicide like this have 628 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 10: what I call obsessional paranoia, and that is the belief 629 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 10: that somebody else's presence on this planet is negatively affecting them, 630 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 10: and all they want to do is wipe out that 631 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 10: person's presence. And also with the sociopathic side, you often 632 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 10: see promiscuity, you see substance abuse. And the final thing, Nancy, 633 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 10: you know, any officer who responds to domestic violence disputes, 634 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 10: almost always the perpetrator will open the door and say 635 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 10: keep hitting me, or she tried to kill me. They 636 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 10: always blame the other person, and in some ways it 637 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 10: seems like this elaborate projection into the other that the 638 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 10: other's going to harm them, whereas in fact Robert is 639 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 10: the one who wanted to harm everyone around him. 640 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 7: He is the killer. 641 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 10: He is a harmful one, not his wife. 642 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: Obviously, no one has been proven guilty. This is in 643 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: the hands of a jury as evidence starts today. Nancy 644 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: Gray signing off, goodbye friend.