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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to

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Speaker 1: you hear from our studios at Lambeufield to talk about Wes.

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Speaker 1: Another Packers victory, this one twenty seven to nineteen over

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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs, the defending Super Bowl champions come

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Speaker 1: to lambeau Field and the Packers are the ones triumphant.

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Speaker 1: Three straight wins for Green Bay, four of the Packers

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Speaker 1: last five in the win column. And I tell you,

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Speaker 1: if you were going to script the beginning of a

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Speaker 1: game and it wasn't going to when your defense is

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Speaker 1: facing a challenge like Patrick Mahomes and this Chiefs offense,

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Speaker 1: and if that script is not allowed to include you know,

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Speaker 1: turnovers and you know, a defensive touchdown like in Detroit

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Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving, having the Packers score two touchdowns on their

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Speaker 1: first two drives, having the Kansas City Chiefs held out

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Speaker 1: of the end zone on their first two drives, and

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Speaker 1: then you're at the two minute warning heading into halftime

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Speaker 1: and that Patrick Mahomes has only gotten the ball twice.

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Speaker 1: You can't other than turnovers. You couldn't draw it up

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Speaker 1: any better.

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Speaker 2: You couldn't And the fact that by stopping them in

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Speaker 2: the red zone it allowed you to keep a touchdown

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Speaker 2: off the board. Yeah, and I looked at this game

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Speaker 2: up until really going into the fourth quarter is like

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Speaker 2: just a fast break NBA game where it was offenses

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Speaker 2: moving the ball and defenses trying to make plays, and

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Speaker 2: ultimately the Green Bay Packers didn't blink. They didn't blink

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Speaker 2: with Jordan Love under center his what fourth game now

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Speaker 2: of the season with three touchdowns and no interceptions. My

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Speaker 2: headline for Insider Inbox was one of the first things

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Speaker 2: I wrote when I was putting that together for Tuesday

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Speaker 2: was Jordan Love was at his best when it's team

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Speaker 2: needed it the most, and to have the players around

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Speaker 2: him pick him up. Romeo Dobbs with one of the

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Speaker 2: sickest catches.

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Speaker 1: That I've ever seen, crazy play.

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Speaker 2: Especially given the circumstances. AJ Dillon running hard and then defensively,

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Speaker 2: they were able to withstand the early blows from Mahomes

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Speaker 2: and Travis Kelcey and when they need to make plays

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Speaker 2: in the second half, they did that. Cream Bay Packers

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Speaker 2: picked up by far their biggest victory of the season

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Speaker 2: against the Detroit Lions, and it took them just over

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Speaker 2: a week to better that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the run that the Packers are on right now

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Speaker 1: is pretty impressive when you look at you look at

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Speaker 1: how far this team has come. You know, a Monday

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Speaker 1: night loss on the road in Vegas that was extremely

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Speaker 1: frustrating against a Raiders team that was not playing well.

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Speaker 1: Then you come off the bye week and you go

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Speaker 1: to Denver and you're playing a Broncos team that, granted

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Speaker 1: is playing much better now, but was not playing well

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Speaker 1: at the time, and the Packers were not able to

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Speaker 1: get that victory either. Now, suddenly from two and five

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Speaker 1: and three and six after a frustrating loss in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: one that, as we have talked about, was where some

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Speaker 1: signs were being shown. The Pittsburgh loss had that had

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Speaker 1: a familiar ending, but that entire game was not the

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Speaker 1: same script, was not the same story as some of

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Speaker 1: those other frustrating losses. That's where things started to turn.

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Speaker 1: And now from being two and five and three and

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Speaker 1: six to being six and six. And to me, this game,

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Speaker 1: when you look at the Packers offense, this game was

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Speaker 1: about the command that Jordan Love had I mean in

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Speaker 1: terms of in terms of the checks at the line,

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Speaker 1: whether he was under center in the shotgun. I made

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Speaker 1: a comment in Insider Inbox that to me, when AJ

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Speaker 1: Dillon's pounding out the yarts, he that he is and

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Speaker 1: he's done this throughout his career. Now late in the season,

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Speaker 1: he really is that big, powerful, cold weather, bad weather

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Speaker 1: running back, and the Packers are using that right now.

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Speaker 1: When a running back is pounding out those kind of yards,

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Speaker 1: and then we see Jordan Love running play action, he

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Speaker 1: just looks like he's got command of the whole field

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Speaker 1: in the pocket off of that playfake when you know

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Speaker 1: you've got the defense playing you. Honestly, the pass protection

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Speaker 1: is holding up, and the way the Packers are able

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Speaker 1: to push the ball downfield right now and then have

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Speaker 1: those checkdowns available when Love needs them, the offense is

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Speaker 1: in a really good place.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a Pro Football Focus membership at the moment.

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Speaker 2: I am not gifted in terms of breaking down the

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Speaker 2: game analytically as you are. But I can tell you

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Speaker 2: what I saw with my eyes on Sunday in two

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Speaker 2: things that stood out to me the most. With the

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Speaker 2: Dillon because I wrote about him in our post game

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Speaker 2: key to the game. Yeah, eighteen carries, seventy three yards.

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Speaker 2: He averaged four point one yards per carry. Mike, do

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Speaker 2: you know what his longest carry was in this game?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to I guess seven yards, ten yards.

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Speaker 2: Ten He came in the fourth quarter. Okay, So when

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Speaker 2: you average four point one yards per care and your

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Speaker 2: longest carry is ten yards, what does that tell you?

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Speaker 2: It tells you that you're not going backwards.

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Speaker 1: Yep, you're grinding it out.

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Speaker 2: You're not being tackled for a loss. You're not putting

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Speaker 2: yourself in second and tens or second in eleven situations.

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Speaker 2: The green Bay Packers steadily moved the football early on

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Speaker 2: seven carries for thirty yards on the opening drive in

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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. One of the big reasons why Green

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Speaker 2: Bay executed their four minute offense and were able to

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Speaker 2: get those extra field goals was because of the way

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Speaker 2: that ag Dillon was running the football exceptional. But the

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Speaker 2: thing I loved most was how I've opened up the

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Speaker 2: play action game and everything started building off one another.

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Speaker 2: The end a rounds, the jet motions, they were almost

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Speaker 2: like the Aaron Jones, so to speak. As far as

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Speaker 2: the contrast to the power running style of aj Dillon. Sure,

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Speaker 2: and when you got the play action game going, you

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Speaker 2: could just see Kansas City's defense especially want to be

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Speaker 2: as aggressive as they are, but fuddled and probably my

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Speaker 2: favorite image of this season so far, and we've started

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Speaker 2: to see it in recent weeks because you can see

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Speaker 2: not from an overconfidence standpoint, but you can see Jordan

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Speaker 2: Love feeling himself. You can see him enjoying it. You

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Speaker 2: can see him having fun out there. It's when they've

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Speaker 2: gotten some of these plays off play action where everything

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Speaker 2: is blocked, the protection is there, and Jordan's kind of

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Speaker 2: hoppen a little bit as he's looking downfield trying to

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Speaker 2: find something. You can see the excitement in the young

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Speaker 2: man at making plays and from the greenmat Packers' perspective,

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Speaker 2: twenty five completions on thirty six attempts. His overall passer

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Speaker 2: completion percentage is now over sixty percent on the season.

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Speaker 2: That was a big thing we talked about earlier this year.

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Speaker 2: Two sixty seven, three touchdowns, one eighteen point six pass rating. Michael,

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Speaker 2: we're talking right now in terms of the NFL. One

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean for Jordan Love to post a

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Speaker 1: passer rating nearly forty points higher than Patrick Mahomes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you had told me that before the game, that

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Speaker 1: the floor. And it's not as though Patrick Mahomes played

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Speaker 1: a poor game by any stretch. But you mentioned earlier

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Speaker 1: that the Packers never blinked, and this was a game

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Speaker 1: that as it was going along, you know, the Packers score,

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Speaker 1: the Chief's answer, you know, Packers score, Chiefs answer with

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Speaker 1: another field goal. But then the Chiefs get the ball. Packers,

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Speaker 1: you know, botched a chance to get a two score

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Speaker 1: They weren't able to get the field goal attempt to

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Speaker 1: make it seventeen to six. The Chiefs get the ball

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Speaker 1: get their first touchdown of the game. Packers stopped the

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Speaker 1: two point conversion, but so it's fourteen to twelve. But

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Speaker 1: at that point it became a game of like, okay,

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Speaker 1: who's gonna blink first, right, and you look at the

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Speaker 1: the second half as this thing unfolded. One was the Packers,

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Speaker 1: would have been a very long field goal attempt, went

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Speaker 1: burying him as Chris Jones got all night long, quite frankly.

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Speaker 1: But Love sees that the Kansas City secondary is a

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Speaker 1: there in time. Huge fourth and one conversion. So that

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Speaker 1: you hit Christian Watson for his second touchdown of the game.

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Speaker 1: The other blink moment then became when it's twenty four

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Speaker 1: and then Keishawn Nixon comes up with an interception, and

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Speaker 1: that was the first time either quarterback blinked in this game.

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Speaker 1: and you, I'll let you take the story from here,

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Speaker 1: because you heard from Nixon in the locker room and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mannerism study. It's something that I think is probably

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Speaker 2: the National Football League where coaches will go over kind

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Speaker 2: of the tells and tips that they're seeing. Both on

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Speaker 2: the All twenty two film, but as Matt Lafleure talked

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Speaker 2: And in this particular case, it was one of the

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Speaker 2: with I should say, he being Keishawn Nixon, had discussed

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Speaker 2: with his coaches and in the cornerbacks room as Okay,

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Speaker 2: if this happens and this is the look that you're

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Speaker 2: ultimately how the play is going to play out. The

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Speaker 2: one thing, maybe you deduced it a little bit better

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Speaker 2: than I did. Watching it unfold from the Kansas City perspective,

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Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out if they were trying

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Speaker 2: a quick stop and then the guy going underneath it.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of a weird sort.

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Speaker 1: Of Yeah, it's what I looked at it, and it is.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the clips in my what you might

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Speaker 1: have missed. I took a look at, you know, a

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Speaker 1: key defensive plays, the sacks in the red zone, the

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Speaker 1: the interception there by Nixon. And it looked it looks like,

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Speaker 1: essentially it is a rub route. They're trying to set

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Speaker 2: with this. Again, I welcome anything that the NFL wants

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Speaker 2: to put in front of us in terms of how

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Speaker 2: that game was officiated at the end and what they

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Speaker 2: were exactly looking for and whether things are right or wrong.

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Speaker 2: Guessing we're not going to see it. I'm guessing there's

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Speaker 2: just going to be some reports coming out on Saturday

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Speaker 2: about whether or not John Nathan Owens was fine, and

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Speaker 2: that's all we're going to be left to deduce from this.

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Speaker 2: But as Dean Blandino pointed out, there, when you look

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Speaker 2: at the way that everything played out at the end,

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Speaker 2: the officiating call on the Mahomes thing, he was clearly

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Speaker 2: in bounds that should not have happened. That's where it

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Speaker 2: all started. And then the MBS play Obviously you watch it,

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Speaker 2: you see the contact there. But when think but Matt

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Speaker 2: Lafleur touched on it and the little bit that he

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Speaker 2: discussed it on his press conference on Monday, It's about

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Speaker 2: how games are officiated and augmenting yourself to that officiation

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Speaker 2: of the game. It's why I took such an issue

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Speaker 2: with Clete Blakeman's crew in twenty twenty with those playoffs

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Speaker 2: in the FC Championship game, game is officiated one way.

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Speaker 2: They changed it over in the last two minutes and

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Speaker 2: officiated completely the other way. Whatever. That's where really Brad

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Speaker 2: Allen's crew got into a jam because it was a

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Speaker 2: terrible call. On the Mahomes thing. If you happen to

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Speaker 2: look up and see the screen, even though it's not

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Speaker 2: a reviewable play, they left it up there. You can

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Speaker 2: clearly see Jonathan Owens making the contact with Mahomes while

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Speaker 2: he's still in bounds, not even one foot out of bounds,

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Speaker 2: And I think that's what started to alter the way

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Speaker 2: the rest of the game unfolded.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll say it once again because my face

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Speaker 1: continues to get blue and bluer and power over the years.

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Speaker 1: If they just make safety rules reviewable, a lot of

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Speaker 1: controversy in the sleep could be avoided because it doesn't

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Speaker 1: take long to look at a play that is a

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Speaker 1: potential safety violation and decide whether or not it really was.

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Speaker 1: And the Mahomes play, the hit on the sideline would

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Speaker 1: exactly fall into that category. So I think a potential solution,

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Speaker 1: a potential improvement, is staring the NFL in the face

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Speaker 1: with regard to the safety rules, whether you're talking about

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Speaker 1: late hits, whether you're talking about roughing the passer, whether

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Speaker 1: you're talking about defenseless hits on defenseless receivers, helmet to

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Speaker 1: helmet contact, Just if these calls are going to these

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Speaker 1: are all fifteen yard calls and they cost players money.

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Speaker 1: Get them right. And I think if you just put

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Speaker 1: the safety rules in the reviewable category, you can get

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Speaker 1: a lot more of this. Right.

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Speaker 2: We're wasting five minutes reviewing whether or not Rashi Rice's

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Speaker 2: knee is down. We're wasting forty five seconds to discuss

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks and you know, intentional grounding. Yeah, but it's inexplicable

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Speaker 2: to be able to just take a second to see

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Speaker 2: if maybe Patrick Mahomes was still in bounce.

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Speaker 1: Right, and the league and the league is the league

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Speaker 1: is just is forcing fans to accept that plays that

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Speaker 1: get flagged but then the players don't get fined, and

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Speaker 1: then plays that don't get flagged, and then the players

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Speaker 1: do get fined that you find out about later in

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Everybody's just supposed to accept that that's how

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Speaker 1: this is supposed to go. To me, it's ludicrous. It's ludicrous.

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Speaker 2: And again I'm not going to sit your point fingers.

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Speaker 2: But if you look at the pool report after the game,

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Speaker 2: in Brad Allen's comments to the gentleman from Kansas City

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Speaker 2: that was conducting it, there was really no expansion on

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Speaker 2: why things ruled. It was that was the right rule.

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Speaker 2: That was the right rule, And I think that's kind

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Speaker 2: of the fact we've had from the league here for

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Speaker 2: a number of years in terms of don't question it,

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was correct.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've got to get to some sponsor business here.

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Speaker 1: long to get to this point, but we have to

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Speaker 1: talk about where things are in the NFC. This is

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Speaker 1: the easiest way to explain where things are right now.

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Speaker 1: There are four teams in the NFC that are tied

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Speaker 1: at six and six. You have the Packers, the Vikings,

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Speaker 1: the Rams, and the Seahawks, and there are two as

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Speaker 1: far as those teams at six and six, they are

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Speaker 1: fighting for two wild card spots that are available, the

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Speaker 1: number six and the number seven seeds in the NFC.

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Speaker 1: You also have two teams at five and seven. The

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the New Orleans Saints are both

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Speaker 1: five and seven, one game back of those four teams

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Speaker 1: that are six and six.

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Speaker 2: And the Falcons, so their division title.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but as of now, the Falcons are the you know,

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Speaker 1: the division leader in the NFC South. So if you

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Speaker 1: look at it from that wild card perspective, the six

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Speaker 1: and seven seeds that are available, it's essentially six teams,

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Speaker 1: all the those four six and six as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: the two five and sevens, it's those six teams fighting

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Speaker 1: for two spots. There are five games left to go.

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Speaker 1: I don't really look at you know, okay, who has

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Speaker 1: the spot now versus you know, based on the tie

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Speaker 1: breakers as they sit right now. I mean that's valuable

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Speaker 1: only in the sense of, okay, if you don't lose

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Speaker 1: any more games the rest of the season, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is the spot you're you know, this is the

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Speaker 1: spot you would you would occupy. Right So, but there

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Speaker 1: are five games left for all these teams. There is

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Speaker 1: a lot of football left to be played and a

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Speaker 1: lot to sort out. But the most important thing, of course,

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Speaker 1: is that the Packers are the team that have thrust

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Speaker 1: themselves into this going from three and six to six

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Speaker 1: and six, and I think there's no argument that of

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Speaker 1: those six teams fighting for those two spots, the Packers

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Speaker 1: are the hottest club right now. And it's just up

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Speaker 1: to the Packers to keep this thing going starting next

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Speaker 1: Monday night against the New York Giants.

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Speaker 2: Well in the NFL got what they wanted with the

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Speaker 2: seventeenth game and the seventh playoff seed, because right now

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Speaker 2: we are in Week fourteen, correct, and there is one

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Speaker 2: team in the National Football League eliminated from the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: that's Carolina Panthers. Everybody else, including the New England Patriots,

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Speaker 2: are actually still technically alive for the wild.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mathematically, there's a pass.

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Speaker 2: So what does this tell you when you have two

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Speaker 2: teams here at six and six and two other teams

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Speaker 2: at six and six that are on the outskirts, look

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Speaker 2: the outside looking in and the inside looking out. Win

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Speaker 2: football games? And I think that was basically the biggest

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Speaker 2: message that Matt Lafleur had, especially once the tides started

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Speaker 2: to turn a little bit. They got to three and six,

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Speaker 2: then they're at four and six and so on and

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Speaker 2: so forth. Don't worry about who the opponent is, worry

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Speaker 2: about what the outcome is going to be. And the

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Speaker 2: Packers have to keep that same mentality because you're gonna

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Speaker 2: look and we'll discuss it later this week. But you know,

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Speaker 2: the Giants are humbling some teams right now. People forget,

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Speaker 2: Giants went into the bye week with back to back wins.

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Speaker 2: They didn't beat the Kansas City Chiefs, they didn't beat

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Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions, but they got back to back wins.

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Speaker 2: So you have to respect the opponent and the threats

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Speaker 2: that are presented. But for the Green Bay Packers to

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Speaker 2: be able to dig themselves out of that hole and

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Speaker 2: put themselves back in a situation where it can even

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Speaker 2: be a funny little tweet or a nice little thing

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Speaker 2: that's going to get some engagement about how, oh they're

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Speaker 2: technically the seventh seed right now, if the season would end,

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Speaker 2: that is a testament to Matt lafleuor it's a testament

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Speaker 2: to that locker room. And now that they've tasted some

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Speaker 2: of that success, especially with the young football team, understanding

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Speaker 2: that you can look past no opponent and that schedule

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Speaker 2: gets to be a little bit more favorable. The dark

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Speaker 2: woods are behind you, here. You no longer have to

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Speaker 2: be fearful of the big bad wolf. You still have

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Speaker 2: to be cognizant that there are dangers out there, and

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Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers have to be able to take

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Speaker 2: care of business or you can get humbled very fast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And we'll talk about more about where the

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Speaker 1: how the playoff picture looks, who all these other teams

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Speaker 1: are playing this week, because with the Packers on Monday

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Speaker 1: night out in New Jersey, it's gonna be a Sunday

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Speaker 1: of scoreboard watching and all of that for Packers fans.

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Speaker 1: So we'll we'll break that down as well as the

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Speaker 1: upcoming opponent, the Giants, on our next program.

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Speaker 2: I'm not let you sign off yet, Okay, San Francisco, Philly,

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Speaker 2: just give me your thoughts on that really fast, because

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Speaker 2: we're not gonna ever talk about it again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. I got caught up in everything else.

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Speaker 2: No, No, we had a lot to discuss, but I

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Speaker 2: do want your thoughts on that game.

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Speaker 1: San. I mean, I don't always like the phrase statement

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Speaker 1: game because it gets a bit overused, but that was

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Speaker 1: a statement.

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Speaker 2: That was a statement.

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Speaker 1: I mean I save it. I save that overused phrase

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Speaker 1: for certain moments the San Francisco forty nine Ers sent

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Speaker 1: a message to phill Yeah, exactly. It was on the

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Speaker 1: road in Philadelphia. They sent a message to the rest

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Speaker 1: of the league. I you know, I had mentioned it

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Speaker 1: last week that this that little three game losing streak.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say little three games is a lot, but

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Speaker 1: that three game losing streak the Niners went through is

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Speaker 1: absolutely ancient history. Right now, that team, that team is

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Speaker 1: on a roll. They are looking, I would argue, even

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Speaker 1: better than at any point they may have looked last

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Speaker 1: year before they lost their quarterback initially when you know

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Speaker 1: when Perdy then had to had to jump into things.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. The Eagles are still the you know, still

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Speaker 1: have the best record. They're the only team with two losses.

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Speaker 1: But boy, you know, with the Niners having that tie

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Speaker 1: breaker on the Eagles, now all they have to do

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Speaker 1: is tie them at the seventeen game mark, and the

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Speaker 1: Niners are going to get that first round by eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Carries forty six yards for Philly. Jalen Hurts was the

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Speaker 2: leading rusher with twenty yards in that game. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they completely neutralize that offense and then the quick thing

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Speaker 2: I want to do, and this will be your opening

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Speaker 2: now to sign off is Brock Purty nineteen of twenty

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Speaker 2: seven three fourteen four touchdowns. Having Deebo Samuel helps too.

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Speaker 2: But when teams not only five, people always want to

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Speaker 2: talk about is he the guy? Is he the guy?

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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter if people say he's the guy, it matters.

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Speaker 2: Does that locker room think he's the guy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And Brock Purdy is the guy and I think we're

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Speaker 2: learning week after week after week, Jordan Love is the

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Speaker 2: guy in this locker room. The doubters can say whatever

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Speaker 2: they want, but this team is following Jordan Love. And

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Speaker 2: when you have a young rookie quarterback, a young first

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Speaker 2: year starting quarterback, just like Brock Purty did last year,

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Speaker 2: when you have that self belief, you can conquer anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And we'll talk more about what lies ahead

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Speaker 1: for the Eagles on our next show as well, because

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Speaker 1: because that's really going to get interesting there in the

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Speaker 1: NFC East. But we do have to sign off on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow continue

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Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the team on

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Speaker 1: Packers dot com. For Wes, I'm Mike. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: tuning in. Everybody. We will see you next time,