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Speaker 2: The breakfast Club Morning, everybody's stee j n V jess hilarious,

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Speaker 2: charlamage the guy.

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Speaker 1: We are the breakfast club. We got a special guest

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Speaker 1: in the building.

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Speaker 3: And it's not silenced the shame day.

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Speaker 4: I know, I feel special.

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Speaker 1: We have shanty dies morning.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I'm trying to be like you channeling, you know.

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Speaker 5: And then after I just had that baby, beautiful baby girl,

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: He has a new book or what do you call it, book,

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Speaker 1: a pamphlet.

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Speaker 4: I call a pocket guy, a.

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Speaker 1: Pocket gocket, pocket guy.

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Speaker 2: It's called have Yourself a Merry Little griefs uh where.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty tips for navigating grief during the holiday.

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Speaker 3: I think this is amazing.

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Speaker 4: Do you think it's anything else.

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Speaker 3: I think it's genius and it's and it's the fact

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Speaker 3: it's a pocket guy. You can just really keep it

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Speaker 3: in your pocket during the holiday season talk to us

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Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 6: So I actually God placed it on my spirit to

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Speaker 6: write it last year, but it was three days before Christmas,

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Speaker 6: so everything was shut down.

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Speaker 4: So I literally just had a end of mind put

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Speaker 4: it up on Amazon.

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Speaker 6: And this year I was like, I really want to

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Speaker 6: put it out right and so I kind of re edited,

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Speaker 6: added a few things, and now it's out. It's twenty tips.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's no stranger. You know my grief story.

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Speaker 6: Those that might know my story. I lost my mom

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Speaker 6: almost three years ago, my sister five years ago unexpectedly,

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Speaker 6: and then my dad took his own life when I

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Speaker 6: was just seven months old. I've lost uncles along the way.

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Speaker 6: Best friend took her own life in twenty fourteen. So, like,

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Speaker 6: grief has been a part of my life and it

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Speaker 6: is the greatest equalizer for all of us because we've

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Speaker 6: all lost somebody, y'all.

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Speaker 4: And then you look at it.

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Speaker 6: I was just making notes like, you know, rest in

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Speaker 6: peace to Clark Kent, you know, and shout out to

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Speaker 6: his wife and kids. And you know fat Man Scoop

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Speaker 6: preak away people grieving in Atlanta. So those are just

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Speaker 6: like the high profile people. But think about the aunties

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Speaker 6: and the uncles right or that spouse or that child.

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Speaker 6: People are struggling, and the holidays can be a really,

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Speaker 6: really tough time. It's supposed to be a joyous occasion

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Speaker 6: in time, but that's not the case. And grief is

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Speaker 6: an individual journey, and you gotta give people grace and

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Speaker 6: space as I say, to feel and heal, and so all.

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Speaker 5: Of these, these twenty steps, these are what you took

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Speaker 5: to get through your grapes.

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Speaker 4: To navigate through that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and again, especially during the holidays, because I love

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Speaker 6: the holidays.

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Speaker 4: I'm like a big old kid.

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Speaker 6: Like my Christmas decorations, I hate to say, was up

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Speaker 6: in November.

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Speaker 5: Like I'm that girl, Like yeah, out gives holiday like.

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Speaker 4: Trying to get some holiday joy.

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Speaker 6: But it gets to be tough, and I find myself

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Speaker 6: with the ugly cry at the light, or if a

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Speaker 6: to listen to all the time, or my mom it

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Speaker 6: just takes me back. But I allow myself to go

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Speaker 6: through those moments. I don't care where I am. It

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Speaker 6: could hit me now on the show and I'm gonna cry,

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Speaker 6: and I'll wipe my tears and move on.

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Speaker 3: Lean into your field. That's your first tip.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, right.

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Speaker 3: Because I love your dedication, because you dedicate to with

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Speaker 3: your sister, your mother, your father, grandmother and uncles and

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Speaker 3: a few great friends, and you say, I pray your

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Speaker 3: souls and singing hymes of good holiday cheer up in heaven. Man,

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Speaker 3: how difficult is it to have that mentality and to

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Speaker 3: believe that but then also not want to join them?

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Speaker 3: Oh before your time?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, I mean I would give anything to see my sister,

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Speaker 6: my mom, and my loved ones. But it's my faith.

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Speaker 6: And it's so crazy, you know how you remember that

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Speaker 6: one thing you forgot to put in the book. But

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Speaker 6: last year I coined like this new acronym for grief

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Speaker 6: and it's sayings for going right into extreme faith. So

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Speaker 6: even say that, because I do feel like I'm going

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Speaker 4: But I don't want to leave this.

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Speaker 6: Earth until it's my time because I still feel like

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Speaker 6: God has more work for me to do. And you know,

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Speaker 6: the space that I'm in now, coming from having a

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Speaker 6: really big career in music, being like the number two

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Speaker 6: right understeal your own to like now just helping the

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Speaker 6: culture in the world in a different way, trying to

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Speaker 6: heal because we're hurting out here and a lot of

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Speaker 6: people grieve but they don't talk about it, and you

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Speaker 6: don't have to talk about it, but you need to

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Speaker 6: talk to somebody about it.

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, you know, only artists

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Speaker 2: be like I guess the label should force these artists

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Speaker 2: sure that their mind is right.

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Speaker 1: I know even in basketball and sports they have therapists

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Speaker 2: To the athletes and sometimes they say that the athletes

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Speaker 2: are in their own way, you know, they got to

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Speaker 1: Do you think that it should be the same for

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Speaker 6: I often said, like just like you have like spring

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Speaker 6: for Shame, we have been talking to a couple of

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Speaker 6: labels trying to do some boot camps, especially for like

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Speaker 6: rookie artists if you will, you call them rookie artists

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Speaker 6: whatever it is, but they need to go through a

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Speaker 6: series of trainings because we don't have insurance. Right, there's

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Speaker 6: You know, shout out to Music Cares, who does a

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Speaker 4: Stuff like that. But these labels just when.

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Speaker 6: They they signed that deal, or even if it's management,

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Speaker 4: That's a healthy way to cope. And I'm not the

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Speaker 6: You know, you can have your drinks or do whatever

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Speaker 6: the wrong way. And so then you something like death happens, right,

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Speaker 6: you lose Big Mama, or you lose a person that

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Speaker 6: kids that go on to play in sports or work

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Speaker 6: living at the intersection of health and culture now that

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Speaker 6: is where I feel like my place is with God,

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Speaker 6: and I just want to be able to continue pushing

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Speaker 6: the culture forward, letting people think about stuff like grief

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Speaker 6: that you don't normally think.

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Speaker 4: About and how heavy it can be during the holidays.

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Speaker 3: I love tip number six reject the notion.

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Speaker 5: Of that definitely, just looking at that one Celia.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, that was my one of the

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Speaker 6: songs from Prince that I love. But but I feel like,

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Speaker 6: you know, if we tend to isolate ourselves, that just

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Speaker 6: makes it worse. But when you're grieving, you really don't

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Speaker 6: sometimes feel like doing anything. You don't want to be

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Speaker 6: you shouldn't be grieving by yourself during the holidays.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but but then you have like people who really

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Speaker 5: around family. So like, how do you set boundaries around,

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Speaker 5: you know, for the holiday season without without you know,

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Speaker 4: So the flip side of that is you got to

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Speaker 6: I talk about it like trying to set a plan,

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Speaker 6: like whether it's right before Thanksgiving or you know, right

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Speaker 6: after Thanksgiving hits. You gotta tell your family members. Look,

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Speaker 6: Christmas is gonna look different for me this year. I

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Speaker 6: might not put up a tree. You know, you might

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Speaker 6: if you still have family or other people, put it

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Speaker 6: or we might take a trip. We might do something different.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we do a staycation or vacation somewhere else. Like

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Speaker 6: we were heavy on Christmas. I spent every Christmas with her,

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Speaker 6: And it kind of forced me to get out. So

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Speaker 6: travel can be a really good way and the whole

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Speaker 2: I just have one last question. Tip number four, that's

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Speaker 2: a major tip.

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Speaker 1: No is a complete en. No.

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Speaker 2: No, that's a difficult one. And the reason I always

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Speaker 2: say that's a difficult one is because you got family member.

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Speaker 2: This is the time where family feels like they can

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Speaker 2: lean on you the most.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 1: Bill's a high, gas is high.

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Speaker 2: They gotta get toys, they gotta get that talk about

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Speaker 2: that tip.

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Speaker 4: So it's nothing wrong with saying no.

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Speaker 1: Because he said that's a major tip.

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Speaker 4: No, that.

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Speaker 1: Was crazy.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't want it. It's way too big.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I.

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Speaker 4: Know I love you'll, but no.

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Speaker 6: Seriously, though, no is very important and it may be

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Speaker 6: offensive to some of your family if you tell them

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Speaker 6: like I can't do this during the holidays or I

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Speaker 6: can't lend you that money. But you just got to

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Speaker 6: losing someone, and you have to be unapologetic about it,

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Speaker 6: and and just again going back to establishing the boundary

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Speaker 6: saying hey, look I can't do what I normally do.

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Speaker 6: And if you don't understand. I'm really sorry, But over time,

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Speaker 6: I hope you will understand what I'm going through. Because

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Speaker 6: until you've walked through someone's shoes, until you until you

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Speaker 4: No, it is a complete sentence. I can't go to

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Speaker 6: I can't cook the Christmas cookies, I can't do the

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Speaker 4: I can't loan you.

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Speaker 6: A thousand dollars to go Christmas shopping this year, like

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Speaker 5: And I love the fact that you said it's a

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Speaker 6: And when you put it out there early with the

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Speaker 6: I need y'all to do things differently this holiday season.

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Speaker 6: I'm barely hanging on. And so if you love me,

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Speaker 3: I'm in my no season, especially financially, and I cannot

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Speaker 3: tell you how free and it has been it's been

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Speaker 3: just got to set the boundaries. It's like, no, I'm

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Speaker 4: I say boundaries are a blessing.

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Speaker 5: And then as my last question, Yeah, as far as

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Speaker 6: I had to stay off social media looking at every

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Speaker 4: It's just different.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we don't wake up and have on the same

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Speaker 6: and it's hard looking at other families. And it's not

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Speaker 6: so live in the moment, be present, but protect your peace.

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Speaker 6: And if protecting your peace means staying off of social

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Speaker 6: then yeah, give yourself that grace and space and don't

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Speaker 3: Where can we find this pocket Guy to tips to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So The Pocket Guy is available on my website

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Speaker 3: I need to buy a bunch of just giving out,

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Speaker 3: and that's what I've been I've.

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Speaker 6: Been gifting it, like you know, shout out to several

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Speaker 6: of my friends, Tracy Baker Simmons and Tita Sita. They

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Speaker 6: both were like, oh my god, this is such a blessing.

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Speaker 6: And so I'm praying hopefully some TV show will have

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Speaker 6: You know, I don't care if you're Black, White, Asian, Jewish,

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Speaker 6: what you know nationality, background, ethnicity. This book can help

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Speaker 6: you because again, we all go through grief. It's just

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Speaker 6: finding pathways forward.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Shawnty Doss, we appreciate you for joining us always.

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Speaker 2: And make sure you pick out her pocketbook. Her pocketbooks

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Speaker 2: sounds crazy, book.

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Speaker 1: Pocket God Rob, but make sure you pick up my

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Speaker 1: pocket book. It's the Breakfast Club. A shanty does wake

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Speaker 1: that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 4: The Breakfast Club

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