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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 2: Welcome my friends to another episode of the Wired to

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Speaker 2: Hunt podcast. This week on the show, we are discussing

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Speaker 2: an epic hunt with my son. We're gonna be chatting

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Speaker 2: about my approach to balancing hunting and home life. We'll

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Speaker 2: be discussing how I try to decide when to stay

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Speaker 2: in a hunting spot and when to move in a

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Speaker 2: whole lot more related to questions that you the listeners

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Speaker 2: sent in. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 2: a fan of that program so good stuff right there. Now.

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Speaker 2: Today on the podcast, we're doing something a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: There is no guests. It is just me and you.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna sit here have a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: one on one chat of sorts, because I've got some

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Speaker 2: stuff to talk about. I've got some stories, some hunting

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Speaker 2: stories I want to share with you. I've got some

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Speaker 2: updates I want to share with you. I've got some

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Speaker 2: recommendations I want to share with you. And I want

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Speaker 2: to tackle the specific questions that you guys want answers to.

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Speaker 2: I asked for listeners submitted questions recently and got a

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Speaker 2: whole pile of them. So I want to take some

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Speaker 2: time here to kick back with you, talk about the

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Speaker 2: stuff that you're wondering about, and catch up. Plan Nothing

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Speaker 2: too fancy, but I think it will be maybe beneficial

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Speaker 2: for myself and for you to take a step back

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Speaker 2: from hearing from a million different people dive into these

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Speaker 2: different things. Instead just talk you and me back and

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Speaker 2: forth about what's on your mind. I wish I could

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Speaker 2: do this kind of thing one on one actually with you.

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Speaker 2: It would be if somehow I had infinite time. It

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Speaker 2: would be awesome to set up a one on one

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Speaker 2: meeting with every one of our listeners to find out,

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Speaker 2: you know, what is it you're struggling with, What is

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Speaker 2: it that you're interested in, What is it that you

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Speaker 2: wish we could talk about more often? That kind of

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Speaker 2: stuff is great for me to know about, to hear about.

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Speaker 2: So just FYI, if ever you want to submit that

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Speaker 2: kind of feedback, I'd love it. Probably the best places

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Speaker 2: to do it is probably over on my Instagram account.

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Speaker 2: Send me a message there, very interested in that. I've

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Speaker 2: been doing this podcast for more than a decade now,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're approaching a thousand episodes. We've been doing

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Speaker 2: this a long time, so it's great to hear from

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Speaker 2: you on you know, what gaps we have where we've

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Speaker 2: missed something, or where maybe we talked about something years

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Speaker 2: It's easy sometimes in my role to forget about some

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Speaker 2: of those things, or to think like, ah, that's so basic,

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Speaker 2: everybody already knows that. But actually it's only that weight

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Speaker 2: in my mind because I talked about it so much five, six,

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Speaker 2: has never been introduced to this concept or these sets

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Speaker 2: of ideas, So please let me know this podcast is

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Speaker 2: for you. This podcast is to try to help folks

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Speaker 2: grow as hunters grow, as conservationists grow as outdoorsmen and women,

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Speaker 2: and I am open to any and all feedback. So,

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Speaker 2: like I mentioned in this show, we're going to do

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Speaker 2: some Q and A talking about all sorts of hunting

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Speaker 2: specific things, everything from you know, the gear I use

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Speaker 2: on my archery setups, to how I decide when I'm

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Speaker 2: to shift, talking about the states I'm hunting this year,

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Speaker 2: talking about some of my most recommended whitetail specific books.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about my favorite times to hunt

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Speaker 2: mornings versus evenings. I think we'll get to that one.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the impact of hunting media,

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Speaker 2: first an update. Just this past weekend, we kicked off

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Speaker 2: last year, I kicked off this tour in which I

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Speaker 2: more than five hundred volunteers participate. I should have pulled

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Speaker 2: up these numbers. It was a pretty amazing slate of

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Speaker 2: pull up that information. Let's see here. Five hundred volunteers.

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Speaker 2: We collected more than two thousand pounds of trash, improved

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Speaker 2: around eight hundred pounds of white oak acorns for future

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Speaker 2: this year we kicked off, like I mentioned that first,

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Speaker 2: We just decided to walk out into this property just

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Speaker 2: work really hard, put away your money, and someday you'll

430
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Speaker 2: reach the top of the corporate ladder or the top

431
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Speaker 2: of the factory, or you'll do the thing, you'll achieve

432
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Speaker 2: the status, and then at that point you'll have saved

433
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Speaker 2: all of your money, and then you can retire and

434
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Speaker 2: then do the things you want to do in your life. Right,

435
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 2: that's pretty kind of basic life advice that many of

436
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 2: us have heard. And I thought about this a lot myself,

437
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: and thought about my own pursuit of the many different

438
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Speaker 2: goals I have, and my pursuits to build a business

439
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Speaker 2: and achieve whatever kinds of things I've tried to achieve

440
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Speaker 2: both prior to meet Eator and Wired to Hunt and

441
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Speaker 2: during my journey with Wired to Hunt and all those

442
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Speaker 2: kinds of things. And something I'm beginning to learn more

443
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: and more is that nothing's guaranteed. Time is not guaranteed,

444
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: the future is not guaranteed. And if we just stow

445
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 2: away all of our energy and our plans and our

446
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: money for some future date when we retire, or when

447
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Speaker 2: things are just right or we have enough money, or

448
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Speaker 2: when we have enough time. If that's what you do,

449
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: you might not get to that point, or you might

450
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Speaker 2: get to that point and you might not have your health,

451
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Speaker 2: or you might not have your family around with you

452
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Speaker 2: to do these things, or you might not have the

453
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Speaker 2: opportunities to do them like you do right now. And

454
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Speaker 2: so the gist of this book Die with Zero is

455
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Speaker 2: that rather than saving up all of your time and

456
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Speaker 2: money for some future retirement forty years from now or

457
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Speaker 2: twenty years from now, our sixty years from now, instead,

458
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Speaker 2: we might be better served to start using our time

459
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Speaker 2: now to take advantage of what we have. We have health,

460
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Speaker 2: hopefully we have time, possibly, we have our family maybe

461
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Speaker 2: around us now. These things we have, you need to

462
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Speaker 2: take advantage of the present because it might not be

463
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Speaker 2: around in the future. So the gist of this is

464
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Speaker 2: to soak up as much as you can in a

465
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Speaker 2: smart way in the here and now by finding smart

466
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Speaker 2: ways to use your money to do the things at

467
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Speaker 2: the right times in life. So an interesting concept you

468
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: talked about is the fact that you know there's certain

469
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Speaker 2: windows of your life where you will be best able

470
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Speaker 2: to do certain things right. So let's just say like

471
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Speaker 2: going tarpin fishing or going mountain climbing or going on

472
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Speaker 2: that Alaskan caribou hunt. A lot of folks might say, well,

473
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Speaker 2: I'll do that when I retire and I've got all

474
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Speaker 2: my money stowed away, and i can do it then.

475
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Speaker 2: But when you're sixty five or seventy, will you really

476
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Speaker 2: be able to climb that mountain? Will you really be

477
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Speaker 2: able to stand on a bow of a boat for

478
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Speaker 2: twelve hours in the ninety degree heat, casting perfect cast

479
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Speaker 2: to a two hundred pound fish charging your way? Will

480
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Speaker 2: you really be able to, you know, do that mountain

481
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Speaker 2: caribou hunt? There are some things like that that really

482
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Speaker 2: you need to do at a certain phase of life,

483
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Speaker 2: when you have or at least when you have a

484
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Speaker 2: certain level of health or certain level of physical fitness,

485
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Speaker 2: whatever it might be. Or what about stuff with your family?

486
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Speaker 2: You know, I think I said this on the podcast

487
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Speaker 2: several times before I'll say it again because it has

488
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: been so impactful for me. I heard somewhere, I think

489
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Speaker 2: it was last year that the average American eighty percent

490
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: of the time they get with their children happens before

491
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Speaker 2: their child is eighteen. So think of another way. Eighty

492
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Speaker 2: percent of the time I'm going to get with my

493
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Speaker 2: two sons, eighty percent of all of our experiences together

494
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Speaker 2: is likely going to happen over the next ten to

495
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Speaker 2: twelve years. Like I need to pack in a lifetime

496
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Speaker 2: of experiences with my kids before they turn eighteen, if

497
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Speaker 2: that's the case, because after that point, for a lot

498
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: of people across America, right, and maybe for you and

499
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: me this is the case too. Right. We grow up,

500
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Speaker 2: we go off and have our own lives, we move away,

501
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 2: we get a wife or a husband or a family,

502
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: whatever it is, and we go do our own thing,

503
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: and our parents are there wishing they could spend time

504
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Speaker 2: with us, probably and maybe regretting decisions they made back

505
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Speaker 2: when they were a younger parents, when they could have

506
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: done things with us when we were around, when we

507
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: were interested. But we you know, they had work to do,

508
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: they had other things to do, they had other obligations.

509
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Speaker 2: They said, well, someday when I've got more money, or

510
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: someday when the job is not so pressing, but some

511
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: day doesn't always come. And that I think is the

512
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: big takeaway from this book. The book's a little bit

513
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 2: more money specific, and you know, certainly not you know,

514
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: everyone has a different financial situation. Not everyone is going

515
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: to be in the same financial situation that Bill is

516
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: as he discusses this, but I think he makes some

517
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: really good high level points that regardless of how much

518
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 2: money you make, regardless of what you've got saved away,

519
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: it's worth taking a look at these basic concepts of

520
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: you know, looking at your time as the most important

521
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: asset you have, and then thinking about how you best

522
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: use that time to you know, have the experiences you

523
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: want to have, to share time with the people you

524
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: want to spend time with, to make sure you are

525
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: achieving the things you want to achieve in the life,

526
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: having the experiences you want to have in life, pushing

527
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 2: them away for someday down the line, but making sure

528
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: they're happening now when you actually can do them, and

529
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: not just someday. So Dive a zero by Bill Perkins,

530
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Speaker 2: Take a look. I think it might be worth your time. Now.

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Speaker 2: That is it for my random stories, updates and recommendations.

532
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a drink of water here and then

533
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna start answering some of your listener questions. So

534
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: thank you to everyone who's sent in a question. I

535
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: appreciate those like I mentioned at the top. Love your feedback,

536
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: Love your suggestions, keep them coming. I'll also say it's

537
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: hot in Michigan now. I don't have ac at my

538
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: house and because of the sound, I don't have a

539
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: fan on. It can't open a window. It's getting hot

540
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: in here. My face is getting read. I feel like

541
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: I'm getting a little sw So if you're watching this

542
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: and you're thinking, why does Mark look like he's turning

543
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: into tomato, That's what's going on. So questions, we got

544
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: a lot here. How about this. What month do you

545
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: start to put out your trial cameras. That's something that's

546
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: pretty relevant for a lot of folks right now. If

547
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: you're listening when this just came out, which is in

548
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Speaker 2: end of May. I usually put out my cameras in

549
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: late July or August, depending on where I'm at the time,

550
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: because I've got a kind of a unique living, unique

551
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: living circumstance where I spend part of the year in Idaho,

552
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: part of the year in Michigan. In past years, I've

553
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: waited to put up my cameras until I get back,

554
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: So usually August is when they go up, because that's

555
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: when you've got you know, you can really see what

556
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 2: you have to work with. You can see what you know,

557
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: a deer is going to look like it's mostly fully

558
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: grown antler wise, you're going to start to be able

559
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: to clearly see mature bucks. You're clearly going to be

560
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: able to able to identify deer that maybe you've seen

561
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: in past years. But if I was not traveling, I'd

562
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Speaker 2: probably do that in July. Probably around the fourth of

563
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: July is when I would historically put out my cameras

564
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: for the year. You're gonna start to really be able

565
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: to tell what these deer are going to be. I

566
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: then run those cameras all the way through the summer,

567
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: the fall, the winter, and keep them up until shed season.

568
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: And then once I see that most of the antlers

569
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Speaker 2: have dropped. Once I see, you know, deer dropping those antlers,

570
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: I usually pull my cameras, clean them, store them away

571
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Speaker 2: for the worst of the winter in the early spring,

572
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Speaker 2: and then put them back out in that midsummer time period.

573
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Speaker 2: Now this year, I'm probably gonna put my cameras out

574
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Speaker 2: here in the next week or so, at least some

575
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Speaker 2: of those cameras, because I'd like to just just for fun,

576
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: keep track of some of this growth as we go

577
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Speaker 2: through this June July period, and then when I come

578
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: home in August, you know, I'll probably put out a

579
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Speaker 2: few more and move them into locations that will be

580
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Speaker 2: more hunting seasons. Specific I've talked about in the past,

581
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Speaker 2: you know, in those summer trail camera locations, I want

582
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Speaker 2: to be by foods or water sources, something that's going

583
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: to congregate deer in those summer months. I don't use bait.

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00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: I do not use minerals. None of that stuff's legal

585
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: here in Michigan. I have used it in the past

586
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: in states where that is legal, but you know here

587
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: in my home state, I can't, so I won't. So instead,

588
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: like I said, you know, bean fields, right, soybean fields,

589
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: incredibly attractive, clover, elflf anything like that. If you have

590
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: agriculture in your area, those can be great locations for

591
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: a summer camera setup. If you're in big woods, if

592
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: there's any kind of clear cut, any kind of openings

593
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: in the woods where you have sunlight reaching the ground,

594
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: that creates lush, high quality food. Lush, high quality, high

595
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: protein food is something that's very attractive in the summer

596
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: to deer. So those are great spots to put those cameras.

597
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: You know, then the next thing I'm trying to do

598
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: is is how do you narrow down movement within a

599
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: food source. Along the edge of a food source, you

600
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: might be able to see trails where trails enter those

601
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: food sources. You might be able to see like a

602
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: corner of a food source is typical for an entry point.

603
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: Many times in a summertime food source like this. Also,

604
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: if there's any kind of funneling mechanism, like a fence

605
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: that has a gate that's open, or a downed wire

606
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: or something that just makes it easier. Right, Deer are

607
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 2: creatures that prefer the path at least resistance. So if

608
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: there's a spot that's a little bit easier to enter

609
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: the food source, that's the kind of place I'm going

610
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: to look for into place a camera. Maybe you've got

611
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: a creek or something that that it runs along the

612
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: side of the food source. That's another place where you

613
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: can find those pinches of movement. You can find where

614
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 2: those most popular crossing points are on the creek, and

615
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: that's a great spot. So put your camera where that

616
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: creek crossing meets the food source. So think about that.

617
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: Another thing I almost always do know is this is

618
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: true for summer and for hunting season. But if I

619
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Speaker 2: am putting out a camera along a summer food source,

620
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: I'm almost always going to make sure I have got

621
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Speaker 2: that camera pointed at a licking branch, so a mock

622
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: scrape that I created or a historical scrape that's been

623
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: used in the past. Even though deer aren't kicking up

624
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: the dirt in a scrape during the summer, they are

625
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: still checking those licking branches. They are smelling them, licking them,

626
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: rubbing their faces in them. Deer are going to be

627
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: visiting those locations, and so that's another place that's going

628
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: to focus a little bit more deer activity in front

629
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Speaker 2: of your camera. So put me on a summer food

630
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: source or buy a water hole, and then find something

631
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: that will focus dear activity along that food source, like

632
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: these three four different things I just mentioned. That's my

633
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: summer trail cam plan. Like I mentioned, I'll be doing

634
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: that soon and can't wait to see what it starts

635
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: showing up. Let's see here, here's another one. All right,

636
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Speaker 2: So for boweting white tails, do I prefer mornings or evenings?

637
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: That is dependent on a lot of different things. I

638
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: would tell you that time of year makes a big

639
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: difference here how much time I have to hunt in

640
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: a given location makes a big difference here, situation, you know,

641
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: like circumstantial things can make a difference. But I'll just say, like, purely,

642
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: what do I prefer. Honestly, I prefer evening hunts just

643
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: for pure enjoyment and on average, you know, that's that's what.

644
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: If I could just pick a perfect hunt, it would

645
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: be an evening hunt. And I say that for a

646
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: couple of reasons. Number one, I just don't love waking

647
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: up at three thirty in the morning and having to,

648
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: you know, just be super groggy and tired and drag

649
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: myself out of the house to go in for a

650
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: morning hunt. I'm always happy once I get out there,

651
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 2: but that get yourself up super super early, go through

652
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: all that stuff in the dark, is less preferential to

653
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: me than the evening hunt. I love an evening hunt

654
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: when you've got that slow build. So I'm talking about,

655
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: you know, one o'clock, one thirty, two o'clock, you're starting

656
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: to say, okay, I'm gonna set aside whatever. Like let's

657
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: say you didn't have to work that day, or it's

658
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: a Saturday, and you know, okay, at one o'clock I'm

659
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: gonna go I'm gonna take my shower, get all cleaned up,

660
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get my gear around, going to you know,

661
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: kind of I listen like some hype up music, right,

662
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: you're able to kind of build into it, and you've

663
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: got energy and you're excited and this anticipation is building,

664
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: and then you go out there and you feel like,

665
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: you know, a ninja slipping into hunt. You know where

666
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: the deer are right as you're heading in for an

667
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: afternoon hunt, you can pretty clearly you have a pretty

668
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: good idea of where those deer are probably bedded, and

669
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 2: so you can avoid those locations as you slip into hunt.

670
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: You can make sure your wind's not blowing to them,

671
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: so it's like a low stress entry point. I just

672
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: always feel like when I go in for an evening hunt,

673
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: hopes are really high. When you're going in for a

674
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: morning hunt. You can do a lot of things to

675
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: try to make sure you're not spooking deer on the

676
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 2: way in, but you never know for sure. Right deer

677
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: in the dark sometimes can be anywhere. So I hate

678
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: that feeling of spooking deer. When I head in for

679
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: a morning hunt. You don't have that most of the time,

680
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: when you go in for an evening hunt, you can

681
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: be very tactical. You can see exactly what's happening, you

682
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: can adjust if there's something different, and again, like I

683
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: just enjoy getting out there, getting the tree, and then

684
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: the hunt gets better every second. Right, it's full blown

685
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: hope and anticipation all the way to the very end,

686
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 2: because you know, the chances of seeing a deer, typically

687
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: especially mature buck, get better as you get closer to dark.

688
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: So it's just the slowly crescendoing hunt all the way

689
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 2: until shooting light ends, and then if it didn't happen,

690
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 2: it didn't happen, the hunt's done. The reverse is true

691
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: for a morning hunt, right. Sometimes this depends on the

692
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: time of year, but oftentimes the most deer movement is

693
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: going to be right there at the break of daylight.

694
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: And then if it doesn't happen that first hour or two,

695
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 2: then you're starting to think, eh, you know, I'll stick

696
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: it out for another couple hours, but there's probably not

697
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: going to be as much movement. Right, it's going down.

698
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: Your chances, your odds of success are going down as

699
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: the morning progresses. Now, that might not be true during

700
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 2: the rut, right, there's usually that window in the late morning,

701
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: midday when you might get some of these bucks cruising again.

702
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: But still, you know, it just seems to be that

703
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: you are decelerating on morning hunts while you are accelerating

704
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: and crescendoing up during an evening hunt towards like that

705
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: peak of excitement. So for those reasons, I just kind of,

706
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: if I had to pick, would say I prefer the

707
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: evening hunt. Not to say I don't like seeing the

708
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: woods wake up in the morning. That is really nice,

709
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: but that's my first take. Now. I will also add, though,

710
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: there's certain times of year when certain hunts just might

711
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: be more effective on average, So again these are not rules.

712
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: There are times that this isn't true, But on average,

713
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: I would say evening hunts tend to be a little

714
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: bit higher odds during that early season time period, mid

715
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 2: season time period, right, there's just gonna be more movement

716
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: during those last hour of daylight than you might get

717
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: in the morning. Sometimes. It's also, as I just described,

718
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: it's harder to get in for morning hunt without spooking stuff. Now,

719
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: when you fast forward into the rut time periods, that's

720
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: when those morning hunts become very, very effective, very worth

721
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: waking up early for You're gonna get more movement for

722
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: several hours, if not only three, four five hours in

723
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: those morning hunts because deer are cruising all over the place.

724
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: It's colder for longer in the morning, so you're gonna

725
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: have a better chance of comfortable weather for deer to

726
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: be traveling a lot. You know, that's when I tend

727
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: to see a lot of that chasing cruising. Real ruddy

728
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: stuff just often happens on those cold morning hunts. So

729
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 2: love mornings during the rut. But if I had to pick,

730
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: give me an evening for most of the year, and

731
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: if I don't have to pick, I'll take it all.

732
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: All right, there's one more dumb uh, what are your

733
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: highest recommended books about white tails? All right? You know

734
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: I like books, so you're tossing me questions related to that.

735
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: I'll pitch that podcast we did about a month ago.

736
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 2: I think that was titled the twelve Best Books for

737
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: Hunters and Anglers or something like that. Go and listen

738
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: to that for some of our high level hunting and

739
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: fishing recommendations, but whitetail specific A couple come to mind,

740
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: Whitetail Access by Chris Eberhart. That's one to talk about

741
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 2: in that one. That's a book that details the story

742
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: of one person's season, Chris Eberhart's season living out of

743
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: his minivan, traveling across the country, doing DIY hunts on

744
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: public land or private land. He got permission on. You

745
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: get to hear his fun story of all these hunts,

746
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: and then he teaches you along the way how he hunts,

747
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: how he makes his decisions. There's diagrams breaking down his

748
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: hunt setups. It's great. Another one I would suggest is

749
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: called Mapping Trophy Bucks by Brad Herndon. This is one

750
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: of the best books about understanding how to read maps,

751
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: read aerial and top on maps and make predictions on

752
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: how deer will use terrain based on that. So based

753
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: on topography like the slopes, ups and downs of the land,

754
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: and based on cover, there are certain things you can

755
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: predict about how deer will use the land. And that

756
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: is an incredible starting point when you're trying to think

757
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 2: about where to set up, how to set up, how

758
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: to move through a landscape. Being able to read a

759
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: map and get you know, fifty sixty percent of the

760
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: information you need right out the gate is huge, and

761
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: mapping trophy Bucks is one of the best books for that.

762
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: Another one that does take maps into accounts that's good

763
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: is a book by Bill Winky. I don't have this

764
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: one written down. Let me see if I can figure

765
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: it out. It's something about creeks, Bill Winky, Ditches and creaks.

766
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna google this. Be patient with me, okay. It

767
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: is Peterson's Bow Hunting Creaks. Peterson's Bow Hunting Creaks and

768
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: Ditches book and DVD combo in the Trophy Terrain series

769
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: Volume one. I don't think they ever came out with

770
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: a volume two, three, or four or anything. I wish

771
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: they had because this was a really good This is

772
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: a really good book. But that one's by Bill Winky

773
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: suggest that as well. Let's see here. Another one would

774
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: be Precision bow Hunting. That's by John Eberheart. Again talked

775
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: about this in the past, but this is a book

776
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: that was instrumental in me taking that big step up

777
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: from being just like a deer hunter to being a

778
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: deer hunter who could target three and a half or

779
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: older bucks three and a half year old or older bucks.

780
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: The biggest thing I took away from this book, and

781
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: that I think John does a great job of drilling

782
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: in this read is the importance of thinking about how

783
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: you hunt and how that should change throughout the calendar year.

784
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: There are different things that you should be doing at

785
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: different parts of the year, both with off season prep

786
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: and actual in season strategy. That's something I did not

787
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: understand back in two thousand and five or two thousand

788
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: and eight, But once I read this book, I very

789
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: quickly realized that my tactics on my approach has to

790
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: shift throughout the year as deer behavior changes. And John

791
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: drills at home in this one. So precision bow hunting

792
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: is a good one. Another one I really like is

793
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: called Big Bucks Secrets by Steve Bartilla. He does a

794
00:41:54,840 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 2: great job of breaking down deer behavior, deer movement hunting

795
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: strategies and showcases this with really detailed stories and maps.

796
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: The diagram allot of this out so really suggests Big

797
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: Buck Secrets by Bartilla. So there's some white tail specific recommendations.

798
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: Next up, will we ever see another season of One

799
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: Week in November? So if you're not familiar, this is

800
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 2: a show we produce for Meat Eater. It's over there

801
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 2: on the mediater YouTube channel. This had myself, Spencer Newharth,

802
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, Klay Newcomb, and for the second year, Giannis

803
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: bettel Us and you got to foul along with seven

804
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: days of rut hunting. You get to see each of

805
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: our days, so one episode equals to one day, and

806
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: then you're bouncing back and forth between the four or

807
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: five of us seeing how we are experiencing the rut

808
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: in different locations across the country. And man, it was

809
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: a fun show to do. I still love the concept

810
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: I think it was. I think it turned out pretty

811
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: darn well. It was like a digital deer camp in

812
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 2: a way because we were spread out across the country,

813
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 2: but the four or five of us stayed in touch

814
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: the whole time with group texts and phone calls and facetimes,

815
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: so we got to kind of share those seven days

816
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: despite us being in different locations. So all that's a

817
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: long winded way of saying though that I do not

818
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: think that show is coming back. I think you never know,

819
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: never say never. But I think that was a two

820
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: season run, and it seems like now we're kind of

821
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: getting away from these series and we're moving more towards

822
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: kind of random one off films and hunts that kind

823
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: of can be very diverse rather than a specific themed

824
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: run for six seven eight episodes. So as of now

825
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: at least no plans for more one week in November.

826
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: But if you make a lot of noise about it

827
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: and you let folks that needed to know that you

828
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: enjoyed that, maybe maybe it'll happen again. Okay, next question,

829
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: speaking of plans, what states are you planning to hunt

830
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: this coming year? I am going to be doing a

831
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: hunt in Alaska for blacktail deer. I am going to

832
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: be hunting Kentucky public land. I am going to be

833
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: hunting locally in Michigan, and if I draw in Iowa,

834
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: I'll be hunting Iowa again this year. That'll be a

835
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: redemption tour hopefully. I had two bummer experiences in the

836
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 2: state of Iowa the last two times I went back

837
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: in like two thousand and fifteen and then again in

838
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. I think it was so I need

839
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: to I need to make it right. So hoping I

840
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 2: get another chance this year, but TBD on that one. Okay,

841
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: how about my best recommendation to optimize your approach to

842
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: scoring deer antlers? All? Right? Scoring deer antlers how do

843
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: you do it the best? How do you optimize your approach?

844
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you an answer that maybe is

845
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: not what you were asking for. But here's my take.

846
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: Don't take it too serious. Don't get too in the

847
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: weeds on perfectly handling your tape and getting every little

848
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: one eighth inch here and there and making sure everything

849
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: is just perfect on your score sheet. YadA YadA, YadA YadA.

850
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff, in my opinion, is overblown, It

851
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 2: is over emphasized. It is talked about too much today

852
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: in our hunting culture because if we value our deer

853
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: just because of how much they score, we are we

854
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: are you selling them short. We're selling the deer short,

855
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: We're selling the experience short, We're selling what hunting is short.

856
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: Tony and I have you know, we've covered this extensively

857
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: in the past. We talked about this a lot during

858
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: our Hunting Culture series earlier this year. But I'll just

859
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: reemphasize the fact that if if you are getting all

860
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: worked up about score, you're missing the point. There are

861
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: bigger things at play here than whether your buck made

862
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: it over the Boon and Crockett minimum or not, or

863
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: whether your one point fifty was bigger than your buddies

864
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 2: one forty nine? Who cares? These are incredible animals, These

865
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: are incredible experiences we've got out there. We've got this

866
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: unbelievable opportunity to have creators like this out there to

867
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: hunt and to let a number attached to that deer

868
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: arbitrarily impact how you feel about that hunt, or how

869
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: you feel about that deer, or how you value that deer,

870
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: or whether you think that such and such hunter is

871
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: better than such and such hunter. Who the hell cares,

872
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: Let's stop with that stuff. I personally look at score

873
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: is a is a way to just kind of better

874
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: understand a deer, right, you know, when me and my

875
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: buddies are talking and you know it's it's it's okay

876
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: to score your dear. Don't get me wrong, don't feel bad.

877
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: If you want to do this, that's great. I'm just

878
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 2: I just don't want you to get too far down

879
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: the wormhole because I've done it myself, I guess, is

880
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: what I'm getting at, Right, I have had a deer

881
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: that I thought was gonna be one hundred and seventy

882
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: inch plus, Dear, I thought I killed a boone and

883
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: krock a buck. Finally I killed a quote unquote booner

884
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: and then I missed it by a few inches, and

885
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: I was disappointed. And then I realized the next day

886
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: or whenever, it was like, that's so stupid. I just

887
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: killed the biggest buck of my life. I killed this

888
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 2: deer that was just had obsessed I was obsessed. It

889
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: consumed me. It seems so beyond possibility. I never thought

890
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: a deer like this could possibly be something I would

891
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: hunt here in Michigan, and then I got to, and

892
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: I got to have these incredible encounters, and somehow, by

893
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: the grace of God or a miracle or whatever, the

894
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: stars aligned and I got a shot, and I killed

895
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: this deer, and I let a stupid thing like inches

896
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: in symmetry, YadA, YadA, YadA impact how I felt about it.

897
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: And I told myself after that to never let that

898
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: happen again. And so that's just my word of warning

899
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: and my story to share with you now. As I

900
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 2: was just about to get into I will still rough

901
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: score a deer, and I'll still toss around scores that

902
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: I'm talking with my friends, because it just helps you

903
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: get an idea, like a mental picture of a deer

904
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: like when I'm telling a story and I'm like, oh man,

905
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: this incredible eight point buck came through and it was

906
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: just mind blowing. And then my buddy might be like,

907
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: oh well, I mean, is this like one hundred and

908
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: twenty class eight or is this like one hundred and

909
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 2: seventy class eight? And that kind of thing helps you illustrate,

910
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 2: It helps you paint a mental picture, and I personally

911
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: have no problem with that, and I will rough tape

912
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: my deer just out of curiosity and to help, you know,

913
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: illustrate that picture when I'm chatting with folks about it.

914
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: But no longer am I going to value my deer.

915
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: No longer am I going to let that in some

916
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: way influence how I value that deer. Is what I'm

917
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: trying to get that because of an antlers score. Now,

918
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 2: we did have a really interesting chat, and I would

919
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 2: suggest you listen to this. During that Hunting Culture series,

920
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: we chatted with some folks from Boone and Crockett and

921
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: Pope and Young Club about scoring deer and about how

922
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: it all started as a way to you know, collect

923
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: scientific data that can help us make management decisions. And

924
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 2: I think there's something very cool about scoring your deer

925
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: and submitting it to the record books for that reason.

926
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: So if you want to help build a database of

927
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: deer information for future management, by all means, go ahead,

928
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: do that kind of thing, submit it. I think that's great.

929
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: My hope, though, is just that we don't get so

930
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: worked up in it, in valuing ourselves as hunters or

931
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: valuing the deer by that number. So that's that's my take.

932
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 2: That's how I would optimize scoring deer would be to

933
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 2: devalue it from that perspective. All right, let's move on

934
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 2: to the next question. Best advice for balancing family and

935
00:49:53,400 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: home life during hunting season? All right, man, that's something

936
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 2: that I've struggled with and talked about for all time.

937
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 2: As far as long as I've had this podcast, this

938
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: has been something we've discussed. Me and Dan Johnson have

939
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: talked about it, Me and Tony have talked about it,

940
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: Me and Clay have talked about it. A lot of folks.

941
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: And this is a huge challenge and a very important

942
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: thing to think about because we love hunting and we

943
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 2: want to take it seriously, and we want to be

944
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 2: as successful as we possibly can, and we want to

945
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: take advantage of these windows of time when there is

946
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 2: that extra special chance of being successful. And I have

947
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: long championed the value of hard work and putting in

948
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: the time and pushing through adversity and really committing to

949
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: whatever your goals are. So all of those things are

950
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: well and good and important. But and I've learned this

951
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 2: through my own experience too, none of that stuff matters

952
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 2: if the family stuff isn't right first right, Nothing is

953
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: more important than that, in my opinion. And you don't

954
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: want to someday look back on your life and regret

955
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: how you allocated your time. If you put a whole

956
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: bunch of time towards hunting and you killed a whole

957
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: bunch of big bucks, but you lost your marriage, or

958
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: your relationship with your children suffered, or your relationship with

959
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 2: your mom or dad, or siblings or your friends, if

960
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: any of that suffers because of the time you put

961
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: into hunting. As far as I'm concerned, none of that

962
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 2: stuff matters. You could have all the bucks in the wall,

963
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: you could be the quote unquote best deer hunter in

964
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 2: the world. But if you don't have your family stuff right,

965
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 2: if you don't have your home life right, it's all

966
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: a waste of time and I'll also tell you that,

967
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: at least from my experience, your enjoyment of your hunting

968
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: goes down significantly if you are stressing about that stuff

969
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: because you know it's not quite right. So I can

970
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: tell you I've had times where I knew I'm on

971
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: a hunting trip and I know my wife is irritated

972
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 2: with me because I've gone too hard, or I've gone

973
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 2: too far, or I've taken too many days away. Whenever,

974
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: you know when that's happening, even if she doesn't say it,

975
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: or even if your significant other or whatever it is.

976
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: Oftentimes we know, even if they're not explicitly saying, you

977
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: can feel it right, there's something underneath the surface going on.

978
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 2: You can feel it when your balance is out a whack.

979
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: And when you feel that way, at least I will

980
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 2: feel differently when I'm in the field. I will have

981
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: that tightness, that something that just doesn't feel right in me,

982
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: and that makes me stress out, and that makes me,

983
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: you know, not enjoy the hunt, not focus as much

984
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 2: on the hunt, feel bad, feel guilty, all of those

985
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: things when you're hunting, and that is taken away from

986
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: your enjoyment, and it's making you less effective as a

987
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: hunter too, so it's a lose lose across the board.

988
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 2: So my suggestion is to be a really good listener,

989
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: to try to be more selfless and less selfish, and

990
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 2: all these things are easier said than done for people

991
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: like you and me because we are addicted to this stuff.

992
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: We are diehards about this stuff, and I have been

993
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: guilty of getting it wrong. So I'm telling you this

994
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: from my own mistakes and as someone who fully recognizes

995
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: that this is easier than done, but we got to

996
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: try to. At least in my experience, I found that

997
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: number one talking about plans well ahead of time so

998
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: that expectations are set properly and making this like a

999
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: two way conversation. So this isn't like, Hey, I'm going

1000
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: to be gone for three weeks at this time period

1001
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: and two weeks at this time period, and I don't

1002
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: care what you think. That does not go well in

1003
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: my experience. What does go well is, Hey, I'm hoping

1004
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: to do this hunt and this hunt, can we talk

1005
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: about our schedules and talk about when it might work out?

1006
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: And here's the windows I'm hoping to do it. What

1007
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 2: do you have going on with your time? How are

1008
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: you feeling about things, how can we make sure that

1009
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: this is something that's going to work okay for our

1010
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 2: family and work for my hunting goals, and you know,

1011
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: and being open to maybe your hunting goals having to

1012
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: be you know, not top priority and having to take

1013
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: a backseat to some other family obligations or other things

1014
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 2: going on. And then going back to then listening, like

1015
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: listening to your significant other, or listening to your kids

1016
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: if they are talking about how much they miss you

1017
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: or how they don't understand why you're gone all the time,

1018
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 2: or listening to your wife or husband and picking up

1019
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,959
Speaker 2: on the fact that man, they're reaching a stress level

1020
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: or they're reaching a point where this has gone too far.

1021
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 2: You have to be present enough to read that situation

1022
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: and then set your huntings aside. At least for me,

1023
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: I've learned like none of the stuff matters in the

1024
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 2: long run, whether or not I kill a big deer,

1025
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: whether or not I fill my tags. In the moment,

1026
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: I can make myself think that this matters a whole

1027
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 2: heck of a lot, And and and it does matter

1028
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: in a certain way. It's it's not only my past time,

1029
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: it's also my career. So There's an argument to be

1030
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: made that it should matter a lot, but in the end,

1031
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: when it comes right down to it, it doesn't matter

1032
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: at all compared to my wife and my children and

1033
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: my other family members that matter a whole hell of

1034
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: a lot. If I can't get that right, who cares

1035
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: what I have on the wall. And so I've been

1036
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: trying really hard in recent years to make sure to

1037
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: get that balance right because everything else comes from that.

1038
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: Having those core relationships, having that family stuff right leads

1039
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: to all the other good things in life. When it

1040
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: comes right down to it, money, status, fame, big deer,

1041
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: it is all ancillary compared to that. So get that right,

1042
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: then all the rest will be a whole lot more fun. Right.

1043
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 2: Running question, when is your first or next Ultra marathon?

1044
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: So I've been talking about running a bit this year,

1045
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 2: and I do think coming out of my chat a

1046
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 2: couple weeks ago with Weston about how running can make

1047
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: you a better hunter, he encouraged me, and my buddy

1048
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: Yannis has been encouraging me, and I've been thinking a lot,

1049
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 2: and I do think I'm going to try my first

1050
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: Ultra next year, which would probably be a fifty K.

1051
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: That would be like the first step of an ultra

1052
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: marathon that I think I could try to tackle, so

1053
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: tentatively strongly considering trying to do a fifty k in

1054
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. We'll see. Uh, what is a book?

1055
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 2: Back to books? What's a book that you reread again

1056
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: and again? All right, here's two books that are not

1057
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 2: hunting specific, but they are very, very applicable to hunting

1058
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: and hunting goals and dealing with the challenges of hunting.

1059
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: So even if you at first glance are going to

1060
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: think this doesn't have anything to do with you, I'm

1061
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: telling you these will help make you a better hunter.

1062
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 2: Number one is The War of Art by Stephen Pressfield.

1063
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: This is a book that I gift to probably more

1064
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 2: people than any other, and it's a book I'd come

1065
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: back to more than any other, and it's all about

1066
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: breaking through. Resistance is the concept that Stephen discusses in

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Speaker 2: this book. It's this inner voice in your head. It's

1068
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:00,959
Speaker 2: this thing that can keeps you from doing the stuff

1069
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: you know you should. It's the reluctance to follow through

1070
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: on the to do list. It's the procrastination that leers

1071
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 2: up and keeps you from shooting your bow. When you should,

1072
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: or getting out there and doing the work on the

1073
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 2: farm when you should. It's that whisper in your voice

1074
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: that makes you want to sleep in when you're super

1075
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: tired on November third, or whatever it is. It's all

1076
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: of our worst habits, our worst inclinations that are natural

1077
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 2: in the human state. It's part of being human. But

1078
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: it's also that thing you've got to break through if

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00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: you want to achieve your goals, whether that be in business,

1080
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: in an artistic pursuit, in a creative pursuit, or in

1081
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 2: hunting or fishing. So this is a terrific book. Now

1082
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: it's meant mostly originally for creatives people writing a book

1083
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: or doing a painting, or starting a business, or trying

1084
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: to create new habits, healthy habits, or running a marathon

1085
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: or something like that. This book can address all that

1086
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: more highly suggested The War of Art by Stephen Pressfield.

1087
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: Another one is called The Obstacles the Way by Ryan Holliday,

1088
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: The Timeless Art of Turning Trials into Triumph. This book

1089
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: uses ancient lessons, Stoic philosophy, and other traditional knowledge and

1090
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: wisdom and applies them to things happening in the present

1091
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: day with a whole bunch of stories about how different

1092
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: people across time and history have overcome adversity, overcome obstacles,

1093
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: and found ways to harness those challenges to achieve their goals.

1094
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: Can you imagine anything more applicable to chasing white tailed

1095
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: deer or hunting anything? Definitely, two books that I reread

1096
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: often and would suggest to anybody out there. All right,

1097
00:58:48,040 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: let's get to something a little bit different. Here's one

1098
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 2: that's kind of a doozy, and I'm gonna pull it

1099
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: up on Instagram because it's a long question. But here's

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00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: the thing. This is a question that is a fair question,

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00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: and I don't have a great answer to it, but

1102
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: I'm just going to think out loud. I'm going to

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00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: talk to you about some of the different things I

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00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: think about this, and I want to preface by saying

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00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 2: I don't have the answer. I don't know the right

1106
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: answer to this question, but it is something I'm personally

1107
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: wrestling with a lot and thinking about a lot and

1108
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: trying to be really thoughtful about how I approaches. So

1109
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: here's the question. Do you believe that you know they're

1110
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: they're putting a name on this, but it's not just

1111
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: this person, but this is this person has brought this

1112
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: up as well as many other people. But do you

1113
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: believe that matt Ronella has some valuable arguments in regards

1114
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: to modern day market hunting, that being content around killing animals.

1115
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 2: So the idea here is like social media and creating

1116
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: media around hunting is in some kind of way analogous

1117
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: to market hunting back from one hundred and fifty years

1118
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 2: ago when people killed deer to make money from it.

1119
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 2: The argument is that something similar is happening by people

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01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:25,479
Speaker 2: creating media around hunting. So he continues content around killing

1121
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: animals generates far more money than the sale of meat

1122
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: and hide could ever have lots of nuance and dialogue

1123
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: between the viewpoints, but I see a lot of platforms

1124
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 2: shying away from this topic. By what metric do we

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Speaker 2: gauge if we're having a positive or negative effect on

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01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: wildlife with loss of opportunity and hunting rights running rampant

1127
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: around America right now? It leaves me really wondering what

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Speaker 2: we're doing. And I'll say, the person who posed this

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01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: question is a hunting media creator himself. Okay, So, first

1130
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Speaker 2: and foremost, I do not think that our current situation

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01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: is in any way comparable to the impact the negative

1132
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: impact of market hunting, because market hunting in the you know,

1133
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 2: several hundred years ago was making money from animals, right

1134
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 2: where you could say that hunting media folks like myself

1135
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: make money from hunting animals and killing animals, as they

1136
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 2: did during the market hunting era. But the rate of destruction,

1137
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 2: the rate of unregulated, untempered mass death of wildlife was unprecedented.

1138
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: So first and foremost, let's let's make a clear delineation there.

1139
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 2: Like market hunting led to the near extirpation of white

1140
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 2: tailed deer, elk, buffalo antelope. I'm talking like almost gone,

1141
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: like hundreds of individuals, where all that was left of

1142
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: the buffalo population from a high of thirty to sixty million. Okay,

1143
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: So decimated wildlife populations were the result of market hunting.

1144
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: Today we are talking about the golden days for white

1145
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: tailed deer populations, the golden days for elk populations in

1146
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 2: the Rocky West, in many cases, the golden days for

1147
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: a lot of big game animals. So we're not negatively

1148
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: impacting wildlife populations with hunting media. The argument, though, could

1149
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: be made that hunting media, you know it does we

1150
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: do profit from that, and you can't deny that, and

1151
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 2: you can't help but admit that. Because of that, it

1152
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: comes with a huge obligation. And the way I look

1153
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 2: at it is that if I'm going to profit from

1154
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 2: wildlife and the hunting of wildlife, that I then am

1155
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 2: obligated to give back ten x. This is something that

1156
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: folks in the eighteen Hunters did not do. But this

1157
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 2: is something that I think that myself and a lot

1158
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 2: of people who care a lot about the resource do not.

1159
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: Everybody in the hunting media does this. I can point

1160
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: to a lot of examples of folks in the hunting

1161
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: media that I personally am not a huge fan of

1162
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: how they go about things. I'm not the kind of

1163
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 2: person who's going to throw people under the bus and

1164
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: name names, because we all are imperfect in our own ways.

1165
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 2: I made mistakes too, so I get that. But I'm

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01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: going to try to do things in such a way

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01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: that I'm making a net positive difference and not a

1168
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: net negative difference. And the way I try to do

1169
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: that is several ways. Number One, I think the hunting

1170
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: media has an opportunity to do good or bad when

1171
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 2: it comes to the future of hunting based on how

1172
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: we portray hunting. Right, So if the like, okay, fact

1173
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 2: number one hunters in America are a minority, right, there's

1174
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 2: something like three or four percent of the American public hunts,

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01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: that means there's something like ninety six percent of the

1176
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: American public does not hunt. We live in a democracy,

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01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: change legislation, all that stuff happens by way of voting

1178
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: in a government such as that we have. So if

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01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 2: we lose the public support, we have the opportunity the

1180
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 2: risk of losing our privilege of hunting. That's something that

1181
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: you know, has happened more and more. We're seeing, you know,

1182
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 2: in the last year or two more and more times

1183
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 2: where states are putting these ballot initiatives up there, where

1184
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 2: people are voting on whether or not there should be

1185
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 2: a black bear season or mountain lion hunting or whatever

1186
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 2: it is. So we're seeing in real time the risk

1187
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: of hunting opportunities being taken away. And I would say

1188
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 2: a big part of that is because of the public

1189
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 2: perception of hunting, of people thinking, well, you know, why

1190
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: does someone need to kill a black bear? Or hey,

1191
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,919
Speaker 2: I saw that cease little lion thing where this guy

1192
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 2: killed this lion and it seems like he's a bloodthirsty

1193
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 2: killer and he's in a jerk and they're not going

1194
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 2: to eat the meat. And why are these psychopaths killing

1195
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: this stuff for no good reason? That seems sick and twisted,

1196
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 2: and I don't want to be a part of that.

1197
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 2: I don't support that. I'm voting against them. That's the

1198
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 2: kind of thing that happens when bad apples get the spotlight.

1199
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 2: So bad apples can show up on social media. It's

1200
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 2: just as random people, right, non media creators, just people.

1201
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. We are all media creators now,

1202
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 2: So that's a key thing to remember. Not just professional media,

1203
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: but anyone who has a social media account is a

1204
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 2: media creator. Whether you have ten followers or ten million followers,

1205
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 2: you are putting your life story narrative out there to

1206
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 2: people who can take that and run with it and

1207
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: interpret it. How are they like? So, I think there's

1208
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,959
Speaker 2: a responsibility on every one of us, whether it's someone

1209
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 2: like me who makes a living in this world, or

1210
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: someone like you maybe who has one hundred people that

1211
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: follow you on Instagram or whatever it is, and you

1212
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: like to share your pictures and tell your stories and

1213
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: share your experiences. That's a very human thing to want

1214
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: to do. Humans have been telling hunting stories since day one,

1215
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: since we started hunting. That is a very natural thing

1216
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: to do, and it's silly to think that we shouldn't

1217
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 2: do that because it's very natural. No matter what your

1218
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 2: pursuit passion is, Like, we humans are going to talk

1219
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 2: about it and we want to hear stories too. That's

1220
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 2: why there is media around every different pursuit. There's media

1221
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: around surfing, there's media around pickleball, there's media around climbing,

1222
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 2: there's media around hula hooping, whatever it is. If there's

1223
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 2: something that people love, they're going to demand media to

1224
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 2: be created about it, teaching folks how to do it,

1225
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 2: inspiring them to do it in different ways, entertaining them.

1226
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 2: So that's gonna happen in hunting too. It is happening

1227
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: in hunting too, because there's demand because I want to

1228
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 2: see it, because I want to watch it, because I

1229
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 2: want to hear about it, because you want to watch it,

1230
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 2: see it, hear about it, because we love this stuff.

1231
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 2: So it's it's kind of silly to think that that's

1232
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 2: not going to be the case. So let's just face

1233
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: the facts. Like we are humans, we want to see

1234
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 2: this stuff here, this stuff, experience this stuff that is

1235
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 2: a truth, that's a reality. Now there's this opportunity for

1236
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 2: good and bad. Like I said, so, if we do

1237
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 2: this in the wrong way, whether we're professional media creators

1238
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: or just amateur social media users, if we portray hunting,

1239
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 2: if we share our hunting stories and experiences in such

1240
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 2: a way that is portrayed exceptionally negatively, if we are

1241
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 2: thoughtless about how we talk about these things, if we

1242
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 2: are crude in how we portray this, if we don't

1243
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: think about the outside world when we share a picture

1244
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 2: or a story or whatever. There are real negative consequences

1245
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 2: that are possible because you just need one bad apple

1246
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: to poison a very large area. Right, If we have

1247
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 2: one c civil line incident where a bad story gets

1248
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 2: out there and it blows up in the mainstream media

1249
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 2: and across the Internet, all of a sudden, you get

1250
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 2: a lot of people that feel really negatively about hunters,

1251
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 2: and that can lead to bad things happening. So there's

1252
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: an obligation for me, as a professional media creator in

1253
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 2: the space and everybody else who does that professionally. I

1254
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 2: think there is a responsibility, in an obligation to do

1255
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 2: it in a very careful, thoughtful, respectful way. If we

1256
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 2: are going to hunt for animals, if we are going

1257
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 2: to take lives, and we're going to share those stories,

1258
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: you better take it seriously. You better do it respectfully, thoughtfully,

1259
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 2: and provide context for why we do this, why we hunt,

1260
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 2: why hunting is so important, Why and how it provides

1261
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 2: for our families and our communities, Why these traditions have

1262
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: enriched human beings for thousands and thousands of years. We

1263
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 2: need to make sure we tell the full story about

1264
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 2: how it's not just pulling a trigger, but it's stewarding

1265
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: these landscapes and these animals. It's giving back to these resources,

1266
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 2: it's teaching other people, it's sharing the meat with our

1267
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 2: friends and family and those in need. It is all

1268
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 2: of these experiences in the wild, connecting with the natural world,

1269
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 2: connecting with nature. There's so many things. There's so much

1270
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 2: more than a dead animal on the ground. Right. You

1271
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 2: know this, if you listen to this podcast, you know

1272
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 2: this deep in your bones. Ninety six percent of America

1273
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: does not. So we have a risk and we have

1274
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 2: an opportunity for those of us that have any kind

1275
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 2: of media platform. So if you have an Instagram account

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01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: or a TikTok or a YouTube channel, whether you make

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01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 2: money from or not, whether you are fourteen or forty seven.

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01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 2: We can do this thoughtlessly and carelessly and put stuff

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01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 2: out there that makes hunting look really bad and that

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01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 2: can lead to these losses of opportunity down the road.

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01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 2: Or you can do it carefully, thoughtfully and with positive

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01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 2: intent and help educate people and inspire people and bring

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01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 2: the broader public into this community and understand that maybe

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01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 2: they don't want to do it, but they can at

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01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 2: least see the value and why and how we can

1286
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 2: do this in a regulated, careful, respectful, sustainable way. So

1287
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: I view my role in this as someone who does

1288
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 2: have a platform who does reach a lot of people,

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01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 2: as as an opportunity. I can create this media in

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01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 2: such a way, and I try really hard to create

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01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 2: my media in such a way that it is a

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01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 2: ray of light, that it is a shining beacon of

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01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 2: positivity for hunting, that somebody can take my content and

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01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 2: show it to anyone across America, and if they give

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01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 2: it a couple minutes of time, and if they give

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01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 2: it an open mind, they might come away from it

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01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 2: and say, hey, all right, it's not for me maybe,

1298
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 2: but I can understand why Mark might want to do this,

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01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 2: or I appreciate his perspective, or I learned something new,

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01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 2: or I think that's pretty cool that he feeds his

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01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 2: family that way. That's how I look at it, right,

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 2: Nothing positive like that could come from the market hunting

1303
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: situation two hundred years ago. So first and foremost, we

1304
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 2: have the opportunity and a risk. We have to take

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01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 2: that seriously. Secondly, I do think that, you know, we

1306
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 2: have to be really careful about how we do things

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01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 2: on a different way. Right, If you create media of

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01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 2: any kind, you have the opportunity to spot burn places

1309
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 2: and put too much pressure in certain locations. That's increasingly

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01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 2: a huge downside to media around hunting because we are

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01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 2: putting too much human pressure on certain landscapes as impacting

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01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 2: wildlife populations. We got to not do that. We need

1313
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 2: to stop sharing specific locations. We need to be very

1314
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 2: careful because we all deserve access to wildlife and public

1315
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 2: lands in different places. But at the same time, we

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01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 2: need to be careful about how we apply that, and

1317
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 2: we also need to be I think, very aware of

1318
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 2: making sure that the number one priority is making sure

1319
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:38,520
Speaker 2: we have healthy wildlife population and healthy wild public landscapes

1320
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 2: or private landscapes, whatever it is. And so that brings

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01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 2: me to the second thing. I think there is an

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01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 2: obligation that I feel, and that I would suggest anyone

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01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 2: who hunts and fishes should feel as well. But especially

1324
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 2: if you do any kind of media, not only do

1325
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 2: we have an obligation to talk about these things and

1326
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 2: show these things carefully and positively, but you also really

1327
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: need to make a lot of deposits into the bank.

1328
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 2: So by that, I mean we need to give back

1329
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 2: tremendously with our time, with our voice, with our energy,

1330
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 2: with our resources, with our platform, and making sure that

1331
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 2: we are putting in more positive, more good, to make

1332
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 2: sure that we have deer hunting opportunities or fishing opportunities,

1333
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 2: to make sure that we have public lands, to make

1334
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 2: sure that there are access opportunities, to make sure that

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01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 2: we have healthy wildlife populations, and to prioritize those things

1336
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 2: over our own enjoyment, over our own personal success killing

1337
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 2: a big deer or whatever it is. So, if ever

1338
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 2: I found out that something I was doing was going

1339
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 2: to negatively impact the long term future for white tailed

1340
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 2: deer or turkeys or whatever it is, I would have

1341
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 2: to change my ways. I'd have to seriously look at

1342
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 2: what I'm doing and how I'm doing it, and make

1343
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 2: sure that I can sleep well at night, because I

1344
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 2: am dead set on a mission of making sure that

1345
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 2: I can, in some way positively contribute to a better

1346
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 2: future for hunting, fishing, wildlife and wild places. And I

1347
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 2: think just about anybody out there who hunts and fish

1348
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 2: has probably's got some part of you, some whispering voice

1349
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,839
Speaker 2: in the back of your mind that knows and feels

1350
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 2: the same way. Because we have gotten so much from

1351
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 2: these things. We've benefited so greatly, and so it's on

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01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 2: us to make sure that we think carefully about what

1353
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 2: we're doing and how we're doing, and making sure that

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 2: we're doing more good, significantly more good than bad. So, yeah,

1355
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 2: do I think about the impact of media and the

1356
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 2: commoditization of wildlife in the impacts of what we're doing

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01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 2: and creating. Yes. Do I think about it carefully and

1358
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 2: have real debates about this inside my own mind. Yes?

1359
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 2: Do I take it seriously? Yes? But in the end,

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01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 2: do I think that the net positive of what I

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01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 2: can do outweighs any negative outcome than the answer is

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01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 2: yes as well, because I believe I have an opper

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01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 2: to as I said, portray hunting in a positive way

1364
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 2: hopefully inspire and educate folks to do so themselves. I

1365
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to hopefully do real tangible good for

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01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 2: the resource by volunteering my time like I'm doing with

1367
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 2: the Working for Wildlife tour, by hopefully helping other people

1368
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 2: find ways to do that, or how to use your

1369
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,839
Speaker 2: voice in a positive way to influence positive political change

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01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 2: for wildlife and wild places. So we have all those

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01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: types of opportunities. I think. You know, there's there's a

1372
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 2: million different ways you can dissect this and go into this,

1373
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 2: but in the end, I think that we have opportunities

1374
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 2: for good that keep me waking up in the morning,

1375
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 2: fired up and charged up and excited to do this work,

1376
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 2: while at the same time very real downside that we

1377
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 2: need to mitigate. So my take on all this is

1378
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 2: that we need to all do some soul searching. Whether

1379
01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: you create, media, consume media, hunt fish, what if you

1380
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 2: are involved in this honey and fishing thing, which is

1381
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 2: in many cases taking a life for our own enjoyment

1382
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 2: or use consumption, whatever it is, you better take it

1383
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 2: very seriously. You better think about it real hard. You

1384
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 2: better be very clear inside your own mind about why

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01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 2: you do it and how you do it. And I

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01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 2: think that is the litmus test that I apply when

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01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: I think about this question. And I can sleep at

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01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 2: night because I know I'm working very very hard to

1389
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 2: be a force for good and using the media I

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01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 2: create for those means. At the same time, I promise

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01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 2: you I will continue to assess this moving forward, think

1392
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 2: really hard and carefully as things change in this landscape,

1393
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 2: and if ever I feel like that's not the case

1394
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 2: anymore with the stuff I'm doing, I'll change my ways too.

1395
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: So I hope that answered your question. Like I said,

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01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 2: I was thinking out loud there. I don't have it

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01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 2: all figured out, but that's that's where my head's at

1398
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 2: the moment. Okay, we got another Instagram question and then

1399
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 2: maybe we'll wrap this up. All right, this one, all right,

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01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,719
Speaker 2: here we go. Whitetail hunting action can come up quick.

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01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 2: So how do you quickly determine a deer you want

1402
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 2: to shoot without prior knowledge? Sometimes you only get fifteen

1403
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 2: seconds to decide whether you're going to take a shot

1404
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,839
Speaker 2: or not. Also, do you set different goals or standards

1405
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 2: on different hunts based on location or public land versus

1406
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 2: private land or out of state, et cetera. All right,

1407
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 2: great tactical kind of question. Good way to wrap this up,

1408
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 2: and excuse me. I would say, yeah, you're right, it's

1409
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 2: hard to make those in the moment decisions. And I've

1410
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 2: got a couple thoughts on this. Number One, if I

1411
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 2: am in a location that I hunt consistently and I

1412
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 2: have like a full season hunt, this is where my

1413
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 2: trial camera is and all that kind of stuff come

1414
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 2: into play because it allows me to get a pretty

1415
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 2: good idea of what's in the area well ahead of time,

1416
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 2: and then I can think carefully about what my hunting

1417
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:12,480
Speaker 2: goals are and what deer would meet that goal. Sometimes,

1418
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 2: like when I'm hunting locally in southern Michigan, I'm going

1419
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 2: to have a pretty steep on a pretty high bar

1420
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 2: as far as the deer I want to hunt, because

1421
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 2: I don't want to just on this in the season

1422
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 2: really quick, unless it's something that is a really really

1423
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: special situation, I suppose you could say. So usually I'll

1424
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 2: be after one particular deer, one or two particular deer,

1425
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 2: or if it's a new property where I don't have history,

1426
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 2: I might be after you know a certain age class deer.

1427
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: I like to challenge myself as a deer hunter. I

1428
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 2: like to force myself into experiencing everything that a deer

1429
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 2: hunt has to offer. And so in those cases where

1430
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 2: you have the time, I like to get to know

1431
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 2: a specific deer, or I like to pass on a

1432
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 2: lot of deer and see that full expression of a

1433
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 2: mature buck. So I will put cameras out in the summer.

1434
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 2: I will take quote unquote inventory of what's out there,

1435
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 2: and that will allow me to say, Okay, here's the

1436
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 2: ten different bucks I've got a picture of on this property.

1437
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 2: Let's look at them, and let's see how old do

1438
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 2: I think these deer are based on you know, on

1439
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,560
Speaker 2: the hoof estimates. They're not one hundred percent accurate, but

1440
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 2: you can get a pretty decent idea. Like I'm very

1441
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 2: confident in saying, like, man, that's a four year old

1442
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 2: buck or older. You can usually tell, and that kind

1443
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 2: of deer is the kind of deer that for me personally,

1444
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 2: I get really jacked up about because that's that's a big, old,

1445
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 2: mature animal that's been around the block. That's a very smart,

1446
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: that's a very savvy critter. That deer will require me

1447
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 2: to be the best possible hunter I can be to

1448
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 2: get within thirty yards, to get an archery shot that animal,

1449
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 2: or to even get a shot with a shotgun or

1450
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 2: whatever the thing might be. That kind of deer requires

1451
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 2: me to hunt at my best, and I really enjoy

1452
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: hunting deer that required me to be at my best,

1453
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 2: to utilize all of my resources and lessons learned and experience,

1454
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 2: to use all my mental faculties. That's that's what I

1455
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:18,759
Speaker 2: really enjoy about targeting mature bucks. So cameras pictures allow

1456
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 2: me to think about that, to make those decisions well

1457
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 2: ahead of time, because, like you said, it's hard in

1458
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 2: the moment. It's really hard if you've got ten seconds

1459
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 2: and you see a deer coming and it's got a

1460
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 2: huge set of antlers, or I don't know, it's got

1461
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 2: in between your antlers, or maybe you have no antler

1462
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 2: or age class you know that you're considering. You're just

1463
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 2: trying to say, well, is this uh, I don't know

1464
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 2: a state where there's antler point restrictions or anything like that,

1465
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 2: is this a legal deer? It's really nice to have

1466
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 2: those things figured out ahead of time, so that when

1467
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 2: you see that deer in the woods coming down fast,

1468
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 2: you recognize it right away. You're like, oh, that's that's

1469
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 2: the big eight, or oh that's that young looking ten pointer,

1470
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 2: or oh that's the one I would rather know right

1471
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 2: away based on those pictures then have to figure out

1472
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 2: in the moment. So in situations where you can, that's

1473
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 2: what I'm doing. And you know, when I'm hunting locally,

1474
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 2: usually I've got a clear idea like all right, there's

1475
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 2: this one deer, or these two deer, or you know,

1476
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 2: these are the three deer that I think are four

1477
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 2: or older or three year older or five, whatever the

1478
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 2: thing is. And that's how I make my decisions in

1479
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 2: those situations. Now, when I'm hunting at new property, or

1480
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 2: I'm hunting out of state on a short hunt, hunting

1481
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 2: public land something like that, where you just don't have

1482
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 2: the luxury of what I just described, then I'm usually

1483
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 2: going by like a feel. Honestly, I'm going by gut feel.

1484
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 2: I'm going by what kind of reaction does this animal

1485
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 2: elicit to me at the moment. And that's circumstantial too,

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01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 2: Like there might be a trip where I'm hunting private

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01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 2: land that I have permission on, or a piece maybe

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01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 2: that at a lease or something. Now, maybe even if

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01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 2: I only have seven days, I know the possibility that's

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01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: out there. In that case, I might be a little

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01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,560
Speaker 2: bit more picky. I might be like, man, you know,

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01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 2: usually before any trip, I'll kind of set some kind

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01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 2: of goal, and I'll say, based on realistic circumstances, based

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01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 2: on the time I have, based on what I know

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01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 2: about this area, I think this would be a tough

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01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 2: challenge but possibly achievable. And that's usually the kind of

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01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 2: thing I set. So I'll go into like a hunt

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01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 2: like I just describe, let's say a permission piece, but

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01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 2: it's a seven day hunt and I have a hunt there,

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01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:24,600
Speaker 2: I'll probably go into that and say, man, like a

1501
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 2: three year old buck would probably pretty darn good, So

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01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 2: that might be the thing. Or I might go into

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01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 2: a hunt where I'm hunting public land in a brand

1504
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 2: new place that's a tough kind of habitat, and it

1505
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 2: might be any deer, like any buck or any dell

1506
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 2: would be a great accomplishment. And so in that case,

1507
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 2: again I'm going into the hunt knowing that I'm going

1508
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 2: to say, man, if I get a shot at any

1509
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 2: legal buck that would be amazing, And then I make

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01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: that decision ahead of time, and then it's easier in

1511
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 2: the moment to decide. It's easier in the moment to

1512
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 2: act accordingly. Now, of course, these things change through a trip.

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01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: There's some people who say that you shouldn't, you know,

1514
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 2: shoot something on the last day of the trip. You

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01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't shoot it the first day, or don't pass something

1516
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 2: on the first day that you would shoot at the end.

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01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 2: That doesn't work for me. My standards, my goals, they

1518
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 2: do change throughout these short hunts or these traveling hunts.

1519
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 2: And I think that's okay because I don't need to

1520
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 2: hunt for anybody else but myself. I am hunting for

1521
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 2: my own experience, my own fulfillment, my own food, my

1522
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 2: own enjoyment. And if I would be pumped up on

1523
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 2: the last day of the hunt to shoot a smaller

1524
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 2: deer that I passed on the first day, fine, because

1525
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 2: on day one I wanted to enjoy that full experience.

1526
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 2: I wanted some more days hunting, and now on day

1527
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 2: seven I got all those great da as a hunting

1528
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 2: and if I haven't killed something yet, but I would

1529
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 2: like to bring some meat home or now that three

1530
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 2: year old buck man would be a heck of an

1531
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 2: accomplishment given what I know, what I've learned over these

1532
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 2: last seven days, then yeah, go for it. That's how

1533
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 2: I approach things. I go by feel. So I set

1534
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 2: a goal ahead of time so that I've got a

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01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 2: starting point, and then I let myself have the flexibility

1536
01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 2: throughout the hunt to adjust as needed, knowing that when

1537
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 2: it comes down to it, I'm gonna hunt my own hunt.

1538
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 2: And if in the moment this deer coming down the

1539
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 2: line gives me that feeling and it's got me fired

1540
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,759
Speaker 2: up and my spidy senses are tangling and my juices

1541
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 2: are flowing, I'm going for it. And I'm not gonna

1542
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,719
Speaker 2: feel bad, and I'm not going to care what anybody

1543
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 2: else thinks about it, and I'm not going to let

1544
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 2: somebody else's judgment of my decision making process or on

1545
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 2: what I put my tag on in any way influence

1546
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 2: my decisions, because I've been there, I've done that, and

1547
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 2: it's made me feel shitty and it's stupid. And hunting

1548
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 2: is something that is again going back to what we

1549
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 2: talked about earlier, it is so serious. It is so

1550
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 2: deeply fulfilling, it is so innately human that it is

1551
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 2: an absolute tragedy to let outside opinion or some knucklehead

1552
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 2: online in some way take away your satisfaction or your experience.

1553
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 2: The animal deserves more than that. Going back to how

1554
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 2: serious this says, in going back to how you know

1555
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 2: respectful we have We should be of the animal and

1556
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 2: the whole hunt itself. Let's do it for our own

1557
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 2: reasons in a way that we can sleep with at

1558
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 2: night and silence in the outside noise. And if we

1559
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: can do that, and if we can try to be

1560
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:18,520
Speaker 2: positive representatives of hunting, and if we can be good ambassadors,

1561
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 2: and if we can do things the right way, follow

1562
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 2: our moral code, make sure we're doing things to maintain

1563
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 2: sustainable numbers of wildlife in the future. If we can

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01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 2: give back, then who the heck cares whether I kill

1565
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty inch four year old or one

1566
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 2: hundred and ten inch two year old. Whatever, hunt your own, hunt,

1567
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 2: have fun, be a good ambassador, give back, and get

1568
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 2: out there. That's my question to answer session for the day.

1569
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 2: I hope you guys found this useful, interesting, educational. I

1570
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 2: appreciate the questions. I appreciate the tough questions. You know,

1571
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to continue wrestling with many of these things.

1572
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 2: Like I mentioned, I don't have all the answers. I

1573
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 2: am a work in progress, and I think that's what

1574
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 2: I've tried to bring to the table over this last

1575
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 2: gosh like fifteen years or more that I have been

1576
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 2: creating content here with Wired to Hunt. What I have

1577
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 2: always promised is that I will be honest with you

1578
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 2: about where I'm at in this journey and share the

1579
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 2: ups and downs of that journey, share my lessons learned

1580
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 2: in this journey of pursuing something that I love so much,

1581
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 2: this passion for hunting and the love of the outdoors.

1582
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 2: And I've not always had the answers. I've not always

1583
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 2: had it figure it out. I've not always been the

1584
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 2: person who you can look to is like, oh, I

1585
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 2: want to do it just like he does. Right. I

1586
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 2: am a human being who loves this stuff a lot

1587
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 2: and who wants to contribute to a positive future for

1588
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 2: this lifestyle, for these wild places and wild lives, and

1589
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 2: that's what I aim to continue trying to do. So

1590
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 2: thanks for being a part of it, Thank you for listening,

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01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 2: and until next time, Stay wired to hunt,