1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy B. 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. This week we had our 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: latest installment of Unearthed and which I encountered a new 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: and unexpected research Ticcup tell me about it. There is 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: a website called eurek Alert, and eurik Alert is a 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: place where researchers, the institutions that they work for those 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: kinds of people in places, post the press releases for 9 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: their research. It is a very helpful place to find 10 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: information for this because the most of the time you 11 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: have something that was written by the researchers themselves or 12 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: by somebody representing them. There's usually a link directly to 13 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: the paper in quite sen to go get more information. 14 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: It's all there together. And the way that I've been 15 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: researching this starting in because I did not do any 16 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: advanced work and that caused a problem. And I put 17 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: all of these things together in an RSS reader and 18 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: then periodically I go through them over the course of 19 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: the quarter, and I bookmark all the stuff that I 20 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: am going to refer back to you later to possibly 21 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: talk about on Unearthed. And as the end, of September 22 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: was approaching, I was doing this task and I kind 23 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: of went, I haven't seen anything from eurek alert in 24 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: a while. And it turned out that during this quarter 25 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: of the year, eurik alert had put out a new 26 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: update to its website with a totally new design, and 27 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: they got rid of all of their RSS feeds, and 28 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: so I had not seen anything from there and probably 29 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: a month. So I have not figured out a better 30 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: solution than just periodically going directly to eurek alert and 31 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: looking at things there. It was not the most joyous 32 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: part of this research experience. I was very disappointed at 33 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: the loss of the eurek Alert rsspeed don't don't Yeah, yeah, 34 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: I remember you messaging me kind of a DEMI frantic. 35 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: There's no horriss on Eureka never fun the bookmark plug 36 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: in that I've been using to keep all of the 37 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: stuff organized. Also, I can exports an HTML file of 38 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: all of the links, and that's what I used to 39 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: keep up with what I've looked at and what I 40 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: have not And for whatever reason, um it did not 41 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: promptly email me the exported thing like it normally does, 42 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh no, I hope this isn't 43 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: broken too, but it was not broken. It just took 44 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: longer than torrible. That's like a harrowing moment, right of 45 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: like everything is falling out from under me. Yeah, And 46 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: that's by really with you know, episodes that I enjoy 47 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: working on. That the fact that I have done this 48 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: advanced legwork through the course of the quarter, like it 49 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: makes the process of pulling it together a little mentally 50 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: easier than some of the like let's research a whole 51 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: original thing starting from scratch. Um. So I'm sure I 52 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: will figure out a good EUREK alert solution right now, 53 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Another thing that I meant to talk 54 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: about last time and didn't do, but is related to 55 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: those couple of papers that we talked about about, like 56 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: the ethics of doing remote sensing and the language we 57 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: used to talk about stuff. One of the things that 58 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: has shifted and how I have talked about stuff and 59 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: working on these episodes and how I've done the research 60 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: um is especially when researchers have been working on something 61 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: that is related to indigenous people, making sure that the 62 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: researchers asked, like back in and fourteen and more earlier 63 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: time of working on the show, like sometimes I would 64 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: find a paper it was like, Oh, this is really interesting, 65 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: this thing that they discovered about how this indigenous society operated. 66 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: And now I'm like, did you ask though, like, did 67 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: you have permission to be working with this nation's artifacts 68 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: that you have input from them on your research at all? 69 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: And it has become way more of a hard and 70 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: fast rule of if I find a paper that is 71 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: about an indigenous nation and it doesn't seem like they 72 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: had that indigenous nation's cooperation and collaboration at all, like 73 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: I'm really reluctant to get into that work. One of 74 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: the papers that I found when preparing this particular installment 75 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: of Unearthed was about one particular I don't want to 76 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to drag any researchers because I haven't 77 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: talked directly to them. I did not seek comment from them, 78 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: so I don't want to reveal a bunch of identifying 79 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: stuff about their paper. But what they were working on 80 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: was related to ancestral Pabloans, and it did not seem 81 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: like they had talked to any pablo In people living currently. 82 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: And most of their work was involving looking at early 83 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: archaeological work that earlier generations of mostly white archaeologists have done, 84 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm not confident that this was 85 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: all handled ethically right, and like that has just been 86 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: one of the ways that these episodes have evolved over 87 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: the years. I have funnier things to discuss. Oh yeah, yes, 88 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: the gut contents of Tollent Man. But part of me 89 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: is like, one, we don't know. Maybe his fish was 90 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: just seared on the outside. Oh maybe, and the inside 91 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: was tender and perfect and not overcooked. But two, did 92 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: that not like shake you in a way where you're like, please, 93 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: dear universe, don't let someone investigate my stomach contents and 94 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: publish about it after I am deceased. Well, now that 95 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: you mention it, they're gonna be like, she drank like 96 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: two gallons of coffee a day and clearly had a 97 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: very strange and wonky diet, and then everyone will be like, oh, 98 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: you ate like a child, and I'll be like I did, 99 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: but I'll be dead, so I can't say that I'm 100 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: more In this particular case, was just sad at the 101 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: idea that maybe Tall and Man's last meal had been 102 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: a sad, slightly burned porridge, because that doesn't sound very appetizing. 103 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: But now I'm like, yeah, future archaeologists might be like, 104 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 1: there's a lot of cheese in here, right, They'll be like, girl, 105 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're eating. I worry. These are 106 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: the things that worry me. I have another thing that 107 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: um is perhaps strange, but it is related to that 108 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: slab that was used for culinary purposes that was a tombstone, 109 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: really a gravestone. Yeah. Yes, this is a little bit 110 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: of a walk elsewhere, but it's such a good story 111 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: and it's keeping alive the memory of someone who is 112 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: gone that I thought was hilarious, So I'm gonna try it. 113 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: Did you I think you watched the show Angel when 114 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: it was on h Do you remember the character of Louren, 115 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: who was like the demon Lounge singer Andy Hallett, the 116 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: actor who played that role was hilarious and we um. 117 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if you went to the talk that 118 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: he gave like a panel a Dragon Con one year, 119 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: where he talked about I don't remember how it even 120 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: came up, but it delighted me so that I wrote 121 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: it all down so I would always remember it then, 122 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: not knowing that he would not be with us very long. 123 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: But he talked about his teenage job, which was working 124 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: in his aunt's store, which was called Cones and Stones, 125 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: which sold ice cream and gravestones, and I was like, wow, 126 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: this is that his aunt and it was so funny 127 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: and he was so hilarious and charming when he told 128 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: it that. I just wanted to mention it because it 129 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: was a great, very funny memory. And he unfortunately died 130 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: I think when he was thirty three. I think he 131 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: was very young. Heart condition like, it was very sudden 132 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: and troubling. It was very sudden, and he was very young. 133 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: He was very young, and it stunk. But I thought 134 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: that would be a fun way to remember what a 135 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: funny and incredibly talented person he was, because he was 136 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: also a spectacular singer. But yeah, the marble gravestone being 137 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: used to make fudge, I was like, is this Cones 138 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: and Stones too well? And it made me think about 139 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: my grandmother making mints using a slab of marble and 140 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: having this moment where I was like, was my grandma 141 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: Jenny's I was my grandma Jenny's marble slab a gray 142 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: of stone? Pretty sure it was not? I mean, that 143 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: would delight me to no end to discover but that's 144 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: because I'm you know, that is exactly the kind of 145 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: thing that would delight me. But sure, sure, um. I 146 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: did try to look up whether Cones and Stones was 147 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: legit or anything that he had concocted for our entertainment. 148 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: I didn't find anything, but it would have been long 149 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: enough back that it might. It would be hard without 150 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: visiting that town and going through their their records, which 151 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: I have no real interest in doing just for the 152 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: sake of a comedy bit. So thanks so much everybody 153 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: for joining us for this week's Unearthed episodes. 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