1 00:00:04,078 --> 00:00:06,518 Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of My 2 00:00:06,718 --> 00:00:14,718 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey there, welcome back to another episode of 3 00:00:15,118 --> 00:00:17,918 Speaker 1: the Book of Joe with Me, Tom Berducci and three 4 00:00:17,958 --> 00:00:21,558 Speaker 1: time Manager of the Year Joe Madden. Joe, I guess 5 00:00:21,558 --> 00:00:24,078 Speaker 1: it's time to say Happy New Year. It is. It's 6 00:00:24,118 --> 00:00:26,118 Speaker 1: getting right there. I had a great Christmas. I hope 7 00:00:26,158 --> 00:00:28,958 Speaker 1: you did also. Um, I don't know. I'm not much 8 00:00:28,998 --> 00:00:31,078 Speaker 1: of a New Year's celebrator like we had been in 9 00:00:31,118 --> 00:00:33,358 Speaker 1: the past, although I'm trying to make a commitment to 10 00:00:33,518 --> 00:00:36,398 Speaker 1: be a little bit more hedonistic than I've been lately. 11 00:00:36,478 --> 00:00:38,478 Speaker 1: So maybe we'll get out there and have a good 12 00:00:38,478 --> 00:00:41,318 Speaker 1: time in some in some method or way. But I 13 00:00:41,358 --> 00:00:44,118 Speaker 1: need to do that. For those math fans out there, 14 00:00:45,078 --> 00:00:48,558 Speaker 1: is a big year because three is called a hard 15 00:00:48,598 --> 00:00:51,318 Speaker 1: shot number, where you add up the numbers of the number, 16 00:00:51,758 --> 00:00:55,318 Speaker 1: which in this case is seven, and if that is 17 00:00:55,558 --> 00:00:58,438 Speaker 1: a divisor of the number, you have a harshot number 18 00:00:58,478 --> 00:01:02,358 Speaker 1: two eight nine times seven three. Why is that important 19 00:01:02,358 --> 00:01:05,798 Speaker 1: Because the word are shot means joy giver, So we're 20 00:01:05,798 --> 00:01:08,838 Speaker 1: in for a year of joy. Joe, get ready, I 21 00:01:09,318 --> 00:01:12,598 Speaker 1: just said that. He just here, let's go, not even 22 00:01:12,638 --> 00:01:15,078 Speaker 1: realizing that. Well, you know, our our book. The Book 23 00:01:15,118 --> 00:01:18,798 Speaker 1: of Joe is a book that sensibly it's about baseball, 24 00:01:18,878 --> 00:01:21,118 Speaker 1: but we dive into a lot of areas and that 25 00:01:21,118 --> 00:01:24,198 Speaker 1: that's why I'm excited about our guests today. You're saying, 26 00:01:24,198 --> 00:01:27,998 Speaker 1: why are you having a former caddy and golf analyst 27 00:01:28,118 --> 00:01:30,198 Speaker 1: on the Book of Joe podcast? Well, he's a great 28 00:01:30,238 --> 00:01:33,038 Speaker 1: listen Uh. Mark john Wood has been a caddy was 29 00:01:33,038 --> 00:01:35,798 Speaker 1: it caddy? For twenty four years and then he decides 30 00:01:35,878 --> 00:01:38,478 Speaker 1: to jump into the TV business and immediately becomes the 31 00:01:38,558 --> 00:01:42,198 Speaker 1: best golf analyst on TV. And I really mean that. 32 00:01:42,198 --> 00:01:44,078 Speaker 1: He's a pleasure to listen to. He's getting busy for 33 00:01:44,118 --> 00:01:48,558 Speaker 1: the Hawaii swing right now. Welcome John. Would I guess 34 00:01:48,558 --> 00:01:52,758 Speaker 1: I bury the lead? John? Also San Francisco Giants fan. Uh, 35 00:01:53,238 --> 00:01:55,478 Speaker 1: you know at this time you can bury that lead. 36 00:01:55,758 --> 00:01:58,038 Speaker 1: I'm totally fine with that with what's going on there. 37 00:01:58,718 --> 00:02:00,838 Speaker 1: But thanks for having me on, guys. This is a 38 00:02:00,838 --> 00:02:03,158 Speaker 1: true pleasure for me. Well, one of the things we've 39 00:02:03,198 --> 00:02:06,718 Speaker 1: been exploring, John, is the idea of glue guys in 40 00:02:06,918 --> 00:02:11,958 Speaker 1: baseball and bands, movies, any place that involves teamwork, and 41 00:02:11,998 --> 00:02:13,878 Speaker 1: a lot of people might be thinking, well, golf is 42 00:02:13,918 --> 00:02:17,318 Speaker 1: such an individual sport. What does a glue guy have 43 00:02:17,478 --> 00:02:20,478 Speaker 1: to do with golf, And that's why Joe and I 44 00:02:20,478 --> 00:02:23,878 Speaker 1: immediately thought about you and the job of a caddy. 45 00:02:24,038 --> 00:02:27,118 Speaker 1: So give us an idea of the dynamic. We know 46 00:02:27,318 --> 00:02:29,718 Speaker 1: that the guy holding the trophy, he's the one who 47 00:02:29,798 --> 00:02:33,638 Speaker 1: signs the scorecard, he gets the glory. But how important 48 00:02:33,678 --> 00:02:36,598 Speaker 1: is the caddy in terms of keeping things together either 49 00:02:36,678 --> 00:02:40,078 Speaker 1: on or off the course. Yeah, it's it's a great question, 50 00:02:40,158 --> 00:02:42,038 Speaker 1: and if there is a glue guy in golf, I 51 00:02:42,478 --> 00:02:45,078 Speaker 1: definitely would say it is the caddy. Um. Golf is 52 00:02:45,198 --> 00:02:49,038 Speaker 1: very unique in that during play, you're you're the only 53 00:02:49,038 --> 00:02:51,558 Speaker 1: guy that can give advice to your player. Is coach can't, 54 00:02:51,638 --> 00:02:55,318 Speaker 1: his sports psychologist can't, his trainer can't. Nobody else can 55 00:02:55,438 --> 00:02:58,318 Speaker 1: except for you. So you try and take all that 56 00:02:58,398 --> 00:03:01,598 Speaker 1: information that he's working on with his swing coach, with 57 00:03:01,678 --> 00:03:05,518 Speaker 1: his short game coach, his psychologist, his trainer, his wife. 58 00:03:05,638 --> 00:03:07,318 Speaker 1: You know is something going on? You know it was 59 00:03:07,358 --> 00:03:08,878 Speaker 1: the kid up all night in the hotel room and 60 00:03:08,918 --> 00:03:11,158 Speaker 1: he didn't get any sleep. So you're taking all that 61 00:03:11,238 --> 00:03:14,558 Speaker 1: information as a caddy, you know, sometimes noting it down, 62 00:03:14,638 --> 00:03:16,998 Speaker 1: sometimes just putting it in your in your brain, going okay, 63 00:03:16,998 --> 00:03:18,638 Speaker 1: I might need to talk about this at some point 64 00:03:18,718 --> 00:03:21,598 Speaker 1: today and trying to bring it all together for him, 65 00:03:21,638 --> 00:03:25,358 Speaker 1: but you want to, uh leave him out of it 66 00:03:25,438 --> 00:03:27,878 Speaker 1: as much as possible. He he doesn't need to know 67 00:03:27,958 --> 00:03:29,998 Speaker 1: any of the stuff you're talking about with his coach, 68 00:03:30,078 --> 00:03:33,598 Speaker 1: with his psychologist, anybody. But in case you need it, 69 00:03:33,718 --> 00:03:35,638 Speaker 1: you can bring it to him at certain key points 70 00:03:35,638 --> 00:03:38,598 Speaker 1: in the round. So that that's kind of how I 71 00:03:38,638 --> 00:03:41,598 Speaker 1: see a glue guys in terms of a caddy working 72 00:03:41,638 --> 00:03:44,798 Speaker 1: out there. Um, so it's a it's a great concept. 73 00:03:44,838 --> 00:03:46,678 Speaker 1: I love the concept of a glue guy. Those were 74 00:03:46,678 --> 00:03:50,358 Speaker 1: always my favorite players anyways. But um, you know, I'd say, 75 00:03:50,518 --> 00:03:52,958 Speaker 1: if there is in that team, uh, the caddy is 76 00:03:52,958 --> 00:03:55,518 Speaker 1: definitely the glue guy in golf. Does this include like 77 00:03:55,558 --> 00:03:58,038 Speaker 1: a pre tournament meeting that you might have, like the 78 00:03:58,078 --> 00:04:00,798 Speaker 1: practice round you're walking the course? Uh, do you go 79 00:04:00,878 --> 00:04:02,958 Speaker 1: through like almost like a prep, like a pre series 80 00:04:02,998 --> 00:04:04,838 Speaker 1: prep like a major leage team would do going into 81 00:04:04,878 --> 00:04:09,438 Speaker 1: a series. Yeah. I I never let uh when we 82 00:04:09,478 --> 00:04:11,678 Speaker 1: got to a course, I never wanted the player to 83 00:04:11,678 --> 00:04:13,838 Speaker 1: get on at the same time I did. I wanted 84 00:04:13,878 --> 00:04:16,718 Speaker 1: to be out there Monday or Tuesday before the practice round, 85 00:04:17,158 --> 00:04:21,158 Speaker 1: look over everything, figure out how my player whether it 86 00:04:21,158 --> 00:04:24,638 Speaker 1: be Matt Cootcher or Hunter Mayhan, Mark Calcabekia, how he 87 00:04:24,718 --> 00:04:27,718 Speaker 1: was gonna best play that course. And it's very different 88 00:04:27,758 --> 00:04:33,038 Speaker 1: for everybody. Um, you wanted to the biggest thing, Joe 89 00:04:33,158 --> 00:04:36,838 Speaker 1: is not wanting any surprises during the round. You're you 90 00:04:36,878 --> 00:04:39,158 Speaker 1: don't want your pro to have surprises. You want to 91 00:04:39,198 --> 00:04:42,398 Speaker 1: be prepared for everything. So um, like one day you'll 92 00:04:42,438 --> 00:04:44,478 Speaker 1: you'll play a hole and it's straight down wind and 93 00:04:44,518 --> 00:04:45,958 Speaker 1: you all you gotta do is hit a three iron 94 00:04:45,958 --> 00:04:48,558 Speaker 1: out there and you'll have wedge in your hand. You 95 00:04:48,598 --> 00:04:51,758 Speaker 1: knowing that the wind's gonna shift around, say after Friday. 96 00:04:51,838 --> 00:04:53,558 Speaker 1: You know, you look all that up during the week 97 00:04:54,038 --> 00:04:56,758 Speaker 1: and you want to make sure on Tuesday or Wednesday 98 00:04:56,798 --> 00:04:59,238 Speaker 1: you let them know, hey it's three iron today, but 99 00:04:59,318 --> 00:05:02,198 Speaker 1: by Saturday, when this wind completely turns around, it's driver 100 00:05:02,318 --> 00:05:05,598 Speaker 1: all day. Um. And here's why. So when he gets 101 00:05:05,638 --> 00:05:08,278 Speaker 1: to Saturday, he doesn't get out there and just grab 102 00:05:08,318 --> 00:05:10,278 Speaker 1: the three iron thinking okay, this is the play. We've 103 00:05:10,278 --> 00:05:12,438 Speaker 1: can make it all week it's worked. Um, you don't 104 00:05:12,478 --> 00:05:14,918 Speaker 1: want to have that discussion. Then you want him prepared 105 00:05:14,918 --> 00:05:18,198 Speaker 1: ahead of time. So yeah, a ton of homework um. 106 00:05:18,278 --> 00:05:20,638 Speaker 1: And and definitely, um, you know, you talk about how 107 00:05:20,678 --> 00:05:24,558 Speaker 1: to play the course, and caddies have their opinions, players 108 00:05:24,598 --> 00:05:27,238 Speaker 1: have their opinions, and it's usually the same page. I 109 00:05:27,238 --> 00:05:31,878 Speaker 1: would say, of the shot decisions, you're on the same page. 110 00:05:32,558 --> 00:05:36,038 Speaker 1: But those those five ten percent that you're not. Um, 111 00:05:36,118 --> 00:05:38,758 Speaker 1: You've got to have reasons to back up your decision. 112 00:05:38,998 --> 00:05:41,398 Speaker 1: And you can't just say it's a field. A player 113 00:05:41,438 --> 00:05:43,798 Speaker 1: can say, I feel like you can hit the shot, 114 00:05:43,958 --> 00:05:46,038 Speaker 1: and you're fine with it because they're the one hitting 115 00:05:46,038 --> 00:05:48,918 Speaker 1: the shot, they're the one making the swing. But as 116 00:05:48,958 --> 00:05:51,638 Speaker 1: a caddy, if you feel if you think he's hitting 117 00:05:51,678 --> 00:05:55,198 Speaker 1: the wrong shot, wrong shot, you've got to have reasons. Um. 118 00:05:55,358 --> 00:05:57,998 Speaker 1: You know, Matt, you hit this club two holes ago 119 00:05:58,158 --> 00:06:01,198 Speaker 1: the exact same direction. It carried one seventy three. You 120 00:06:01,238 --> 00:06:03,478 Speaker 1: only have to carry this one one seventy It's plenty 121 00:06:03,518 --> 00:06:07,798 Speaker 1: of club um or or or um. You know, things like, hey, 122 00:06:07,838 --> 00:06:09,758 Speaker 1: we played this part three two days ago. We were 123 00:06:09,758 --> 00:06:12,038 Speaker 1: on a different tea. You hit this club and this 124 00:06:12,118 --> 00:06:14,718 Speaker 1: is why you need two more here. Um. So as 125 00:06:14,998 --> 00:06:18,958 Speaker 1: you're constantly keeping that stuff in your brain um as 126 00:06:18,958 --> 00:06:21,798 Speaker 1: a caddy, and do you use it all? No, Because 127 00:06:21,798 --> 00:06:25,118 Speaker 1: like I said, usually you're on the same page. But um, 128 00:06:25,158 --> 00:06:27,518 Speaker 1: I always say, a good caddy has the answers to 129 00:06:27,638 --> 00:06:30,758 Speaker 1: ten questions that never get asked. And I always joke 130 00:06:30,798 --> 00:06:33,278 Speaker 1: with Michael Grell or Jordan's space Caddy because he gets 131 00:06:33,278 --> 00:06:37,518 Speaker 1: asked all those ten questions. Well, I was I was 132 00:06:37,558 --> 00:06:39,598 Speaker 1: wondering because as a bench coach. When I was a 133 00:06:39,638 --> 00:06:42,198 Speaker 1: bench coach, it's kind of like the same thing. It 134 00:06:42,238 --> 00:06:44,358 Speaker 1: sounds like you always have to be prepped for everything 135 00:06:45,118 --> 00:06:47,638 Speaker 1: here comes to game games in progress, things are happening, 136 00:06:48,078 --> 00:06:50,958 Speaker 1: and you have to either be able to suggest things 137 00:06:51,078 --> 00:06:52,678 Speaker 1: or just be a great sounding board one of the 138 00:06:52,718 --> 00:06:55,558 Speaker 1: other things. So when it came to giving suggestions, I 139 00:06:55,558 --> 00:06:59,238 Speaker 1: always took that very seriously in a sense because, um, 140 00:06:59,318 --> 00:07:00,878 Speaker 1: this is the guy that has to answer if it 141 00:07:00,918 --> 00:07:03,598 Speaker 1: doesn't work. So, I mean, when it comes to openly 142 00:07:03,638 --> 00:07:07,238 Speaker 1: making suggestions to your player, UM, this has to got 143 00:07:07,238 --> 00:07:09,438 Speaker 1: to be the residue of a great relationship that you built. 144 00:07:09,478 --> 00:07:11,958 Speaker 1: Also right, because sometimes you're gonna be wrong. I mean, 145 00:07:11,998 --> 00:07:14,238 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be right all the time, and you 146 00:07:14,318 --> 00:07:16,838 Speaker 1: have to be able to um absorb that, I guess 147 00:07:16,998 --> 00:07:19,958 Speaker 1: the best way to describe it. So when it comes 148 00:07:19,958 --> 00:07:22,238 Speaker 1: to the openness and your suggestions, it is there any 149 00:07:22,318 --> 00:07:25,358 Speaker 1: kind of trepidation at times, only because of how this 150 00:07:25,398 --> 00:07:27,758 Speaker 1: guy may react if it doesn't go right. That's a 151 00:07:27,878 --> 00:07:31,478 Speaker 1: that's such a good point. Um, if you have the 152 00:07:31,518 --> 00:07:34,158 Speaker 1: most important thing in a caddy player relationship is trust. 153 00:07:34,678 --> 00:07:39,558 Speaker 1: You might not have anything in common. You know, different politically, different, religiously, different, 154 00:07:39,598 --> 00:07:41,318 Speaker 1: the way you live your life. But if he trusts 155 00:07:41,358 --> 00:07:43,918 Speaker 1: you on the course and knows that you've done the 156 00:07:43,958 --> 00:07:47,598 Speaker 1: work to support your decisions, then he will believe you. 157 00:07:47,998 --> 00:07:50,798 Speaker 1: I mean, there are times when you've got to uh, 158 00:07:51,038 --> 00:07:52,998 Speaker 1: you know, dig deep and go Okay, I need three 159 00:07:53,078 --> 00:07:56,198 Speaker 1: or four reasons why I think this is the right shot. 160 00:07:56,238 --> 00:07:58,918 Speaker 1: I gotta keep going because he's not buying it yet. 161 00:07:59,318 --> 00:08:03,158 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, definitely. Um. A great example of that 162 00:08:03,678 --> 00:08:06,558 Speaker 1: is Tiger and Joe Locava. Joe Locava used to work 163 00:08:06,558 --> 00:08:08,878 Speaker 1: for Fred Couples for ages, now he works for Tiger 164 00:08:09,318 --> 00:08:11,918 Speaker 1: and Joe is is in my mind, one of the 165 00:08:11,998 --> 00:08:14,478 Speaker 1: best caddies of all time, no question about it. He's 166 00:08:14,518 --> 00:08:17,358 Speaker 1: so diligent, does all his work. But when you watch 167 00:08:17,678 --> 00:08:20,198 Speaker 1: or listen to to Tiger and Joe on the course, 168 00:08:20,758 --> 00:08:24,358 Speaker 1: when Tiger asked a question, Joe is very succinct and 169 00:08:24,518 --> 00:08:28,758 Speaker 1: very much yes, no, uh, Tiger, will this will this 170 00:08:28,758 --> 00:08:32,398 Speaker 1: club carry that bunker? Yes? No, Joe does not have 171 00:08:32,478 --> 00:08:36,838 Speaker 1: to go through those reasons, because Tiger knows he's already 172 00:08:36,838 --> 00:08:39,198 Speaker 1: done all the work. He's not guessing here, He's not 173 00:08:39,278 --> 00:08:41,918 Speaker 1: guessing that this club. He he knows Joe's gone and 174 00:08:41,958 --> 00:08:44,478 Speaker 1: done all that work. And to to have to go 175 00:08:44,558 --> 00:08:48,238 Speaker 1: through these arguments or to sit or discussions, it's not 176 00:08:48,278 --> 00:08:50,958 Speaker 1: necessary because he trusts Joe so much that he's done 177 00:08:50,958 --> 00:08:53,838 Speaker 1: the work. He knows Joe is not guessing. Um and 178 00:08:53,838 --> 00:08:56,878 Speaker 1: and other relationship you'll watch and Um, you do have 179 00:08:56,918 --> 00:08:59,358 Speaker 1: to go through everything. You have to explain why this 180 00:08:59,438 --> 00:09:02,118 Speaker 1: is the club, why you think this is right. Um. 181 00:09:02,238 --> 00:09:04,358 Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, it's the players decision, 182 00:09:04,438 --> 00:09:06,038 Speaker 1: and you have to leave it at that. If he 183 00:09:06,078 --> 00:09:09,278 Speaker 1: doesn't buy into what you're saying, then at the very end, 184 00:09:09,318 --> 00:09:11,158 Speaker 1: you've got to buy into what he's trying to do 185 00:09:11,278 --> 00:09:14,758 Speaker 1: and give him a percent confidence because these guys are 186 00:09:14,838 --> 00:09:17,918 Speaker 1: so good when they make mistakes. In my mind, it's 187 00:09:17,998 --> 00:09:22,118 Speaker 1: in decision. They're so good. When they are sure they've 188 00:09:22,118 --> 00:09:24,518 Speaker 1: got the right club, they're gonna make a good swing 189 00:09:24,638 --> 00:09:27,638 Speaker 1: or good enough swing. Tom And we've talked about this. 190 00:09:27,878 --> 00:09:30,038 Speaker 1: I E. Mike Borzello in the Game seven of the 191 00:09:30,038 --> 00:09:33,158 Speaker 1: World Series, calling the pitches to breaking balls to the 192 00:09:33,158 --> 00:09:36,158 Speaker 1: the hitter. There. Um, you have to be a really 193 00:09:36,198 --> 00:09:38,558 Speaker 1: good coach is not afraid to put his neck out 194 00:09:38,598 --> 00:09:41,038 Speaker 1: there based on what he believes in. There's some guys 195 00:09:41,078 --> 00:09:42,638 Speaker 1: that will do all the prep work in the world. 196 00:09:42,638 --> 00:09:44,478 Speaker 1: Then they'll they'll stay up all night to have all 197 00:09:44,518 --> 00:09:46,638 Speaker 1: this stuff in front of them. But do you have 198 00:09:46,758 --> 00:09:50,758 Speaker 1: the kind of cajone to make the suggestion in the 199 00:09:50,838 --> 00:09:54,038 Speaker 1: appropriate moment and not worry about it being wrong. To me, 200 00:09:54,158 --> 00:09:56,118 Speaker 1: that's the guy one on my staff. I don't want 201 00:09:56,158 --> 00:09:58,798 Speaker 1: the guy that again is ambivalent, is not sure, doesn't 202 00:09:58,798 --> 00:10:00,718 Speaker 1: want to hanging on his head if he's wrong. But 203 00:10:00,758 --> 00:10:02,438 Speaker 1: if you have that guy that's done the work and 204 00:10:02,598 --> 00:10:05,398 Speaker 1: is not afraid to make the question, that is truly 205 00:10:05,438 --> 00:10:07,918 Speaker 1: a valuable member of your team. Yeah, Joe, I would 206 00:10:08,078 --> 00:10:11,078 Speaker 1: add on to that. It's also the way the message 207 00:10:11,158 --> 00:10:13,758 Speaker 1: is delivered. You talked about Joe Lacava John being just 208 00:10:13,758 --> 00:10:16,478 Speaker 1: just so succinct and obviously a high level of trust. 209 00:10:16,598 --> 00:10:20,238 Speaker 1: My favorite caddy story on the amateur side in Alves 210 00:10:20,318 --> 00:10:23,398 Speaker 1: Roger Clement Roger Clements is playing at pebble beach in 211 00:10:23,438 --> 00:10:26,638 Speaker 1: the pro am and he's got it's not a full wedge, 212 00:10:26,638 --> 00:10:29,198 Speaker 1: and the caddy says, just choke down, flight it down, 213 00:10:29,518 --> 00:10:31,998 Speaker 1: you'll be good. And Roger and turns to and says, 214 00:10:32,238 --> 00:10:34,718 Speaker 1: what did you just say? You said, just choke up, 215 00:10:34,878 --> 00:10:37,558 Speaker 1: choked down on the club. He said, never use that word. 216 00:10:37,598 --> 00:10:45,038 Speaker 1: Don't even say that word to me. Careful. But I 217 00:10:45,078 --> 00:10:47,518 Speaker 1: always noticed that caddy's on TV. John, I mean, you 218 00:10:47,598 --> 00:10:50,718 Speaker 1: have to be a positive. I mean the last words 219 00:10:50,718 --> 00:10:54,278 Speaker 1: seemed to me always being it's the perfect club. Absolutely, 220 00:10:54,838 --> 00:10:59,518 Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's just reinforcement of yeah, you got it, yeah, absolutely. 221 00:10:59,598 --> 00:11:02,318 Speaker 1: You've got to be once the decision is made. You know, 222 00:11:02,398 --> 00:11:05,758 Speaker 1: you can't let him go into the shot um not 223 00:11:05,838 --> 00:11:08,558 Speaker 1: believing this is the right shot. And you watch his 224 00:11:08,598 --> 00:11:11,278 Speaker 1: body language, You watch his face when you ask him 225 00:11:11,278 --> 00:11:13,678 Speaker 1: a question about a shot, or you present something to him. 226 00:11:13,678 --> 00:11:16,358 Speaker 1: If he gives a long pause and he's kind of 227 00:11:16,398 --> 00:11:18,918 Speaker 1: staring out at the pin, you know, trying to noodle 228 00:11:18,918 --> 00:11:20,998 Speaker 1: through what you're telling him. You can tell when he's 229 00:11:20,998 --> 00:11:23,078 Speaker 1: not buying into it, and you have to keep going. 230 00:11:23,118 --> 00:11:25,758 Speaker 1: At that point, you can't just say I've made my 231 00:11:25,838 --> 00:11:27,878 Speaker 1: piece and watch him get over the shot. He doesn't 232 00:11:27,918 --> 00:11:30,278 Speaker 1: believe it yet, you know, which is it might as 233 00:11:30,278 --> 00:11:32,398 Speaker 1: well give him a driver from a hundred yards. If 234 00:11:32,438 --> 00:11:34,718 Speaker 1: he doesn't believe it, it's it's not the right shot. 235 00:11:35,158 --> 00:11:37,198 Speaker 1: So you are the catcher. You are the catcher. The 236 00:11:37,198 --> 00:11:39,318 Speaker 1: pitch selection matters, you know, it really comes down to it. 237 00:11:39,358 --> 00:11:41,718 Speaker 1: I mean, if you have indecision in your pitch selection, 238 00:11:41,918 --> 00:11:44,558 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a bad pitch of the time. It's 239 00:11:44,558 --> 00:11:46,838 Speaker 1: a perfect analogy. I was thinking about, you know, coming 240 00:11:46,878 --> 00:11:50,238 Speaker 1: on today, and and one of the things is is um. 241 00:11:50,278 --> 00:11:52,518 Speaker 1: You know, I figured, I feel like a bullpen session 242 00:11:52,558 --> 00:11:55,158 Speaker 1: before the round, before the game for a starting pitcher. 243 00:11:55,478 --> 00:11:57,878 Speaker 1: You're seeing what he has, what he worked, what's working, 244 00:11:57,918 --> 00:12:00,078 Speaker 1: what looks good, what doesn't. The same thing as a 245 00:12:00,118 --> 00:12:03,078 Speaker 1: caddier watching him warm up, going gosh, this this he's 246 00:12:03,118 --> 00:12:04,918 Speaker 1: not cutting the ball to day. It's just not going 247 00:12:05,078 --> 00:12:06,878 Speaker 1: left to right at all. So you're gonna have to 248 00:12:06,958 --> 00:12:08,918 Speaker 1: deal with that. Um. And then when you get out 249 00:12:08,958 --> 00:12:11,278 Speaker 1: into the course, obviously, the same thing is pitching. You 250 00:12:11,318 --> 00:12:13,118 Speaker 1: don't always bring what you had in the bullpen to 251 00:12:13,158 --> 00:12:15,278 Speaker 1: the mound. Same thing on the course. You might have 252 00:12:15,318 --> 00:12:17,078 Speaker 1: the greatest warm up in the world. You get to 253 00:12:17,078 --> 00:12:18,918 Speaker 1: the first tea. You hit a first bad tea shot 254 00:12:18,998 --> 00:12:21,398 Speaker 1: and his mind starts racing all of a sudden, So 255 00:12:21,438 --> 00:12:24,318 Speaker 1: you gotta pay attention early on what is he hitting 256 00:12:24,318 --> 00:12:27,798 Speaker 1: well today? You know, there's there's not always one right shot. 257 00:12:27,958 --> 00:12:30,598 Speaker 1: There's multiple ways to get a ball in the right 258 00:12:30,918 --> 00:12:33,598 Speaker 1: right spot. So if he's not hitting a high cut 259 00:12:33,758 --> 00:12:36,078 Speaker 1: good like you you know, well, like he normally does, 260 00:12:36,398 --> 00:12:38,558 Speaker 1: then you've got to work around it until he finds 261 00:12:38,598 --> 00:12:41,838 Speaker 1: that swing. You know, so, um, it's not one right shot. 262 00:12:41,878 --> 00:12:43,958 Speaker 1: You've got to figure out what he's doing well, what 263 00:12:44,038 --> 00:12:48,118 Speaker 1: he's feeling well about, and and really go with those 264 00:12:48,198 --> 00:12:50,838 Speaker 1: those swings until he figures out why the other one's 265 00:12:50,878 --> 00:12:53,238 Speaker 1: not working. Hey, John, we started out talking about how 266 00:12:53,238 --> 00:12:54,958 Speaker 1: the way a lot of people look at golf as 267 00:12:54,998 --> 00:12:57,518 Speaker 1: an individual sport, and I mentioned it is a team 268 00:12:57,598 --> 00:12:59,878 Speaker 1: sport in its own way, give us an idea and 269 00:13:00,198 --> 00:13:02,078 Speaker 1: in the caddy a lot of times is the glue guy. 270 00:13:02,758 --> 00:13:04,998 Speaker 1: The amount of people all that it takes for a 271 00:13:05,078 --> 00:13:09,558 Speaker 1: quote unquoted individual golfer, whether it's physios, coach, trainers, whatever 272 00:13:09,598 --> 00:13:11,918 Speaker 1: it might be. How many people is that caddy really 273 00:13:11,958 --> 00:13:15,278 Speaker 1: interacting with to bring out the best And this guy, sure, 274 00:13:15,358 --> 00:13:17,878 Speaker 1: it's it's amazing how big the teams have gotten UM 275 00:13:17,878 --> 00:13:20,718 Speaker 1: in the last ten fifteen years. Obviously, most guys have 276 00:13:20,758 --> 00:13:23,278 Speaker 1: a swing coach with them, not every week, but swing 277 00:13:23,318 --> 00:13:26,158 Speaker 1: coaches are probably out the most. UM. A lot of 278 00:13:26,158 --> 00:13:28,398 Speaker 1: guys have a separate short game coach who work on 279 00:13:28,478 --> 00:13:31,878 Speaker 1: you know, chipping and pitching and bunker shots and putting. UM. 280 00:13:31,918 --> 00:13:36,518 Speaker 1: They'll have a sports psychologist, they will have UM. Obviously, 281 00:13:36,518 --> 00:13:38,438 Speaker 1: the agents around you don't usually have to deal with 282 00:13:38,478 --> 00:13:42,198 Speaker 1: the agent too much unless it's a timing issue. If 283 00:13:42,198 --> 00:13:44,918 Speaker 1: you if you feel like he's your players getting tired 284 00:13:44,958 --> 00:13:47,198 Speaker 1: and spread a little thin, then you have to have 285 00:13:47,238 --> 00:13:50,038 Speaker 1: that conversation with the agent and say, hey, cut these 286 00:13:50,078 --> 00:13:52,238 Speaker 1: you know, cut these outings. The week of the tournament, 287 00:13:52,238 --> 00:13:55,838 Speaker 1: you're you're wearing this guy out. UM. So those are 288 00:13:55,838 --> 00:13:59,798 Speaker 1: the three main are are sports psychologist, UM, swing coach 289 00:13:59,918 --> 00:14:02,318 Speaker 1: and short game. But then you also need to go 290 00:14:02,438 --> 00:14:05,238 Speaker 1: to his trainer. UM. And if his trainer comes to 291 00:14:05,278 --> 00:14:07,558 Speaker 1: tell you, hey, his warm up was okay today, but 292 00:14:07,758 --> 00:14:11,038 Speaker 1: his back is tight or um, you know his you know, 293 00:14:11,158 --> 00:14:13,958 Speaker 1: his left wrist has has been bothering him. You need 294 00:14:13,998 --> 00:14:15,798 Speaker 1: to know that stuff so you don't call for certain 295 00:14:15,798 --> 00:14:18,198 Speaker 1: shots that he's not going to be able to hit Um. 296 00:14:18,238 --> 00:14:20,958 Speaker 1: He might not tell you that, but um, you have 297 00:14:21,038 --> 00:14:23,678 Speaker 1: to know that information. And like I said, even the 298 00:14:23,758 --> 00:14:26,638 Speaker 1: life you know, it's it's invaluable to have a good 299 00:14:26,638 --> 00:14:30,078 Speaker 1: relationship with with his wife or his girlfriend, knowing, Hey, 300 00:14:30,118 --> 00:14:32,038 Speaker 1: he didn't get any sleep last night, the baby was 301 00:14:32,118 --> 00:14:34,718 Speaker 1: up all night, or um, he didn't get a practice 302 00:14:34,718 --> 00:14:36,398 Speaker 1: a whole lot at home last week, we had some 303 00:14:36,438 --> 00:14:39,478 Speaker 1: stuff going on. Um, just to get all that in 304 00:14:39,518 --> 00:14:42,718 Speaker 1: your brain going into a week, so you can plan out, 305 00:14:43,238 --> 00:14:46,118 Speaker 1: um the week and you're in your head um as 306 00:14:46,158 --> 00:14:49,678 Speaker 1: to how to get him most prepared and freshest for 307 00:14:49,718 --> 00:14:52,918 Speaker 1: Thursday morning. The parallels are incredible. You're talking about you know, 308 00:14:52,958 --> 00:14:55,798 Speaker 1: talking about what we do every day. It's amazing. Is 309 00:14:55,838 --> 00:14:58,558 Speaker 1: there's so many parallels, and I want to explore one 310 00:14:58,558 --> 00:15:01,038 Speaker 1: more after we take a quick break. I always wondered, 311 00:15:01,718 --> 00:15:04,158 Speaker 1: how do you become a caddy Like you want to 312 00:15:04,158 --> 00:15:06,278 Speaker 1: become an umpire, you go to umpire school. I'm not 313 00:15:06,358 --> 00:15:09,998 Speaker 1: aware of any caddy schools, but apparently it involves the 314 00:15:10,158 --> 00:15:23,838 Speaker 1: literary world. John's gonna answer that when we get back. Hey, 315 00:15:23,878 --> 00:15:26,038 Speaker 1: welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast. Our guest 316 00:15:26,398 --> 00:15:29,758 Speaker 1: is John Wood. PGA Tour caddy for twenty four years 317 00:15:29,758 --> 00:15:31,718 Speaker 1: and now the best golf analysts in the business with 318 00:15:31,838 --> 00:15:35,398 Speaker 1: NBC and Golf Channel. John I t s this getting 319 00:15:35,398 --> 00:15:38,238 Speaker 1: into the world of caddying. I don't know what the 320 00:15:38,238 --> 00:15:41,798 Speaker 1: the quote unquote regular path is for someone who does 321 00:15:41,838 --> 00:15:44,238 Speaker 1: get involved in p g A caddying. But for you, 322 00:15:44,438 --> 00:15:46,758 Speaker 1: give us an idea of how it came about for you, 323 00:15:46,878 --> 00:15:49,718 Speaker 1: a guy who did play college golf. Well, I used 324 00:15:49,758 --> 00:15:51,438 Speaker 1: to say, how do you become a caddy? My My 325 00:15:51,558 --> 00:15:53,478 Speaker 1: line used to be, you fail at everything else in 326 00:15:53,518 --> 00:15:55,558 Speaker 1: life and then you end up as a caddy. But 327 00:15:56,118 --> 00:15:58,758 Speaker 1: I was I had played collegiate golf at cal Um, 328 00:15:58,878 --> 00:16:02,278 Speaker 1: didn't graduate from there. I never finished. But I was 329 00:16:02,318 --> 00:16:03,918 Speaker 1: kind of out of the golf world. I was playing 330 00:16:03,918 --> 00:16:05,958 Speaker 1: in here and there, and I knew some golfers. A 331 00:16:05,998 --> 00:16:07,838 Speaker 1: lot of my buddies who you know, went to college 332 00:16:07,838 --> 00:16:10,878 Speaker 1: and played Division one golf. Um, but I was managing 333 00:16:10,878 --> 00:16:13,478 Speaker 1: a bookstore in Sacramento. I was kind of playing golf 334 00:16:13,478 --> 00:16:15,718 Speaker 1: here and there, but certainly not thinking of a professional 335 00:16:15,718 --> 00:16:18,958 Speaker 1: career or anything. UM. I knew a player named Kevin 336 00:16:18,958 --> 00:16:22,598 Speaker 1: Sutherland very well from Sacramento. Knew his coach, Don Bacham 337 00:16:22,678 --> 00:16:25,958 Speaker 1: very well. Um. This was Kevin's second year on tour 338 00:16:26,078 --> 00:16:28,598 Speaker 1: and we were just out hitting balls one day and 339 00:16:28,678 --> 00:16:31,038 Speaker 1: he asked if I'd be interested in coming out and 340 00:16:31,078 --> 00:16:34,158 Speaker 1: trying it. Um. You know, I thought about it for 341 00:16:34,198 --> 00:16:38,078 Speaker 1: a week or two, and UM, I really I thought, well, 342 00:16:38,118 --> 00:16:39,798 Speaker 1: what else am I gonna have this chance? If I 343 00:16:39,838 --> 00:16:41,918 Speaker 1: fail at it, if I'm terrible with it, so what 344 00:16:42,078 --> 00:16:44,558 Speaker 1: I'll come back and and you know, get another job 345 00:16:44,678 --> 00:16:47,478 Speaker 1: or or or go in a different direction. Um. So 346 00:16:47,558 --> 00:16:50,758 Speaker 1: I just totally fell into it, fell in love with it. Um. 347 00:16:50,798 --> 00:16:52,878 Speaker 1: But even then I thought I'll do it for a 348 00:16:52,918 --> 00:16:54,878 Speaker 1: year or two and then get back to the real world. 349 00:16:54,918 --> 00:16:57,438 Speaker 1: And um, you know, I was almost thirty years ago 350 00:16:57,478 --> 00:17:00,438 Speaker 1: at this point, So I kind of fell into it. 351 00:17:00,438 --> 00:17:04,518 Speaker 1: It wasn't anything planned. Um. Today I think on tour 352 00:17:04,598 --> 00:17:08,198 Speaker 1: there there used to be you would get your tour 353 00:17:08,278 --> 00:17:10,838 Speaker 1: card and then you would go out and find a 354 00:17:10,878 --> 00:17:13,718 Speaker 1: tour caddy and and learned that he knew the courses, 355 00:17:13,998 --> 00:17:16,958 Speaker 1: he would lead you around. Um, and then he would 356 00:17:16,998 --> 00:17:20,158 Speaker 1: have to learn your personality. You're as a player, your personality, 357 00:17:20,198 --> 00:17:23,398 Speaker 1: what worked best for you. It's completely flipped now. Uh, 358 00:17:23,558 --> 00:17:28,078 Speaker 1: players are bringing out you know, brothers, college teammates, guys 359 00:17:28,118 --> 00:17:30,958 Speaker 1: who know their personalities very well and need to learn 360 00:17:30,958 --> 00:17:34,118 Speaker 1: how to caddy. So um, it's a it's a different 361 00:17:34,518 --> 00:17:37,398 Speaker 1: definitely a different dynamic the way it's turned into now. 362 00:17:37,758 --> 00:17:40,198 Speaker 1: But I think this way is better because I think 363 00:17:40,238 --> 00:17:44,278 Speaker 1: sometimes the the personalities and how to talk to your player, 364 00:17:44,838 --> 00:17:46,718 Speaker 1: when to give him a pat on the back and 365 00:17:46,718 --> 00:17:48,678 Speaker 1: when to give him a kick in the ass, um 366 00:17:48,918 --> 00:17:51,998 Speaker 1: is way more important than the xs and os the numbers. 367 00:17:52,078 --> 00:17:54,878 Speaker 1: So um, it's it's really changed over the years. So guys, 368 00:17:55,198 --> 00:17:57,918 Speaker 1: almost everybody now brings out a college teammate or a brother, 369 00:17:58,198 --> 00:18:00,478 Speaker 1: you know, Joe, he got me thinking. They're about you 370 00:18:00,558 --> 00:18:03,158 Speaker 1: talking in our in our book about the five levels 371 00:18:03,158 --> 00:18:05,438 Speaker 1: of being a perfect when you start as a caddy 372 00:18:05,558 --> 00:18:08,518 Speaker 1: no experience, there's a point we talked about this in 373 00:18:08,558 --> 00:18:11,798 Speaker 1: the book where you begin to believe I belong here. 374 00:18:13,078 --> 00:18:15,878 Speaker 1: How long was that? If you want learning curve for you, 375 00:18:15,998 --> 00:18:18,238 Speaker 1: John to understand that, you know what, I am pretty 376 00:18:18,278 --> 00:18:20,718 Speaker 1: good at this. You know it took it took a while, 377 00:18:21,238 --> 00:18:25,198 Speaker 1: because you know, playing high level amateur golf Division one golf, 378 00:18:25,278 --> 00:18:27,158 Speaker 1: you think you know the game and you think you 379 00:18:27,238 --> 00:18:29,958 Speaker 1: know golf, but when you get to that level, it 380 00:18:30,078 --> 00:18:35,318 Speaker 1: is so much more information and so much quicker. You know, guys. 381 00:18:35,518 --> 00:18:38,038 Speaker 1: Everybody thinks guys play slowly out there, and I agree 382 00:18:38,078 --> 00:18:41,038 Speaker 1: they do. But the amount of information they are going 383 00:18:41,078 --> 00:18:43,998 Speaker 1: through compared to what a good amateur going is going 384 00:18:44,038 --> 00:18:47,118 Speaker 1: through is mind boggling. If that's what I try to 385 00:18:47,158 --> 00:18:50,478 Speaker 1: do as an announcer. Sometimes it's really, you know, go through, 386 00:18:50,878 --> 00:18:53,998 Speaker 1: here's everything they're really thinking about. This isn't one two 387 00:18:54,078 --> 00:18:57,038 Speaker 1: nine iron, It's not that you've got so much more 388 00:18:57,118 --> 00:18:59,398 Speaker 1: information to go through to make sure you're hitting the 389 00:18:59,478 --> 00:19:03,158 Speaker 1: right shot. And they do it relatively quickly, most of them. So, 390 00:19:03,358 --> 00:19:06,038 Speaker 1: But about my I, UM, I I started out the 391 00:19:06,078 --> 00:19:09,358 Speaker 1: first couple of tournaments with Kevin was okay, but it 392 00:19:09,478 --> 00:19:11,318 Speaker 1: was very much a yes man, you know, because I 393 00:19:11,478 --> 00:19:14,278 Speaker 1: I didn't want to get in his way. I wanted him, 394 00:19:14,318 --> 00:19:16,598 Speaker 1: I wanted to learn, and once I had a solid opinion, 395 00:19:16,758 --> 00:19:18,518 Speaker 1: you know, and knew what he wanted, then I would 396 00:19:18,558 --> 00:19:21,358 Speaker 1: start interjecting a little bit. So it was probably a 397 00:19:21,358 --> 00:19:24,398 Speaker 1: good ten twelve tournaments in um. Once you give a 398 00:19:24,398 --> 00:19:26,958 Speaker 1: couple of really good pieces of advice that work out, 399 00:19:27,318 --> 00:19:30,158 Speaker 1: UM that you start feeling okay, I get it, you know, 400 00:19:30,318 --> 00:19:32,198 Speaker 1: I get it. And Joe, you said it, you know 401 00:19:32,238 --> 00:19:35,558 Speaker 1: earlier on. You can't be afraid to be wrong, and 402 00:19:35,598 --> 00:19:39,198 Speaker 1: you can't be out there trying to play Kate and 403 00:19:39,358 --> 00:19:41,558 Speaker 1: agree with this guy all the time because he's not 404 00:19:41,558 --> 00:19:43,998 Speaker 1: gonna be right all the time, no way. But he's 405 00:19:43,998 --> 00:19:47,438 Speaker 1: paying you for your opinion and you have to you 406 00:19:47,478 --> 00:19:48,958 Speaker 1: have to be able to give it no matter what 407 00:19:49,038 --> 00:19:51,878 Speaker 1: the situation and not be afraid of it. You can't 408 00:19:51,878 --> 00:19:54,678 Speaker 1: be afraid of losing your job. Um. I can tell 409 00:19:55,158 --> 00:19:57,758 Speaker 1: you know, watching and listening to guys, I can tell 410 00:19:57,798 --> 00:19:59,638 Speaker 1: when guys are just trying to keep their job and 411 00:19:59,678 --> 00:20:02,878 Speaker 1: when they're seriously cattying. Um. And it's a it's a 412 00:20:03,118 --> 00:20:06,158 Speaker 1: it's a vast difference in terms of of those two 413 00:20:06,398 --> 00:20:09,038 Speaker 1: approaches to catting. Absolutely, tell me what you think now 414 00:20:09,118 --> 00:20:10,918 Speaker 1: what you've heard. I want guys that are gonna give 415 00:20:10,958 --> 00:20:13,038 Speaker 1: me all of themselves. You just said it too about 416 00:20:13,038 --> 00:20:16,318 Speaker 1: the Triple A to the major league experience, where the 417 00:20:16,518 --> 00:20:20,878 Speaker 1: vast amount of information are so different. The minor leagues 418 00:20:21,558 --> 00:20:24,718 Speaker 1: primarily are to get your mechanics in order when it 419 00:20:24,758 --> 00:20:27,038 Speaker 1: comes down to the game planning. Of course, management things 420 00:20:27,078 --> 00:20:30,318 Speaker 1: like that are there, but they might become more important 421 00:20:30,318 --> 00:20:32,358 Speaker 1: as you get the Triple A at maybe the latter 422 00:20:32,398 --> 00:20:34,038 Speaker 1: part of double A. But when you get to the 423 00:20:34,038 --> 00:20:35,598 Speaker 1: big leagues. When I got to the major leagues as 424 00:20:35,638 --> 00:20:38,678 Speaker 1: a coach, was completely different. I thought I knew, but 425 00:20:38,758 --> 00:20:42,358 Speaker 1: I didn't. Um still ninety feet still sixty ft six inches. 426 00:20:42,398 --> 00:20:44,478 Speaker 1: Defensives are relatively the same, but the game couldnot have 427 00:20:44,518 --> 00:20:46,718 Speaker 1: been more different, and you have to learn that. You 428 00:20:46,758 --> 00:20:48,798 Speaker 1: have to learn. I had to learn as a coach, 429 00:20:49,038 --> 00:20:50,998 Speaker 1: just like you're suggesting, how do I help my guys? 430 00:20:51,638 --> 00:20:54,358 Speaker 1: What do I need? What level? What level do I 431 00:20:54,358 --> 00:20:55,958 Speaker 1: need to think at? What do I need to know 432 00:20:56,838 --> 00:20:59,158 Speaker 1: in order to be a contributing member of this coaching staff? 433 00:20:59,198 --> 00:21:01,438 Speaker 1: Because I wasn't when you're when you begin, and you're 434 00:21:01,478 --> 00:21:03,238 Speaker 1: saying it as a caddy. When I first began as 435 00:21:03,278 --> 00:21:05,638 Speaker 1: a major league coach, it was hard for me to contribute. 436 00:21:05,678 --> 00:21:07,758 Speaker 1: I didn't have I didn't know the league, I didn't 437 00:21:07,798 --> 00:21:09,278 Speaker 1: know the other players. I didn't know how this whole 438 00:21:09,278 --> 00:21:13,198 Speaker 1: thing worked. And then Tommy intimated there. I sat down 439 00:21:13,238 --> 00:21:15,158 Speaker 1: one night, and I don't even it just came to 440 00:21:15,158 --> 00:21:17,798 Speaker 1: me the five levels of being a professional. Level one 441 00:21:17,878 --> 00:21:20,598 Speaker 1: being happy to be here, Level to survival. I like this, 442 00:21:20,718 --> 00:21:23,358 Speaker 1: I want to stay here. Level three I belong to 443 00:21:23,438 --> 00:21:25,678 Speaker 1: I can do this. Your seminal moment occurs where all 444 00:21:25,718 --> 00:21:27,998 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like, wow, this makes sense. Now 445 00:21:28,038 --> 00:21:30,638 Speaker 1: I can contribute. Level four would be I want to 446 00:21:30,678 --> 00:21:32,398 Speaker 1: make as much money as I possibly can. That would 447 00:21:32,398 --> 00:21:34,478 Speaker 1: be as a player, because as a coach, God, you 448 00:21:34,598 --> 00:21:37,718 Speaker 1: just you're just at the mercy of some general manager. 449 00:21:37,758 --> 00:21:39,638 Speaker 1: And I was at the mercy. But then level five, 450 00:21:39,718 --> 00:21:41,758 Speaker 1: all I wanted to was win. And I think it's 451 00:21:41,758 --> 00:21:44,238 Speaker 1: easy for a caregory coach to fall into that category. 452 00:21:44,278 --> 00:21:46,718 Speaker 1: All I want to do is win. So you have 453 00:21:46,758 --> 00:21:48,838 Speaker 1: to go through those stages, I think in order to 454 00:21:48,878 --> 00:21:52,398 Speaker 1: really contribute in your situation to the player or for me, 455 00:21:52,598 --> 00:21:55,718 Speaker 1: the players that I was working with from the minor 456 00:21:55,758 --> 00:21:57,398 Speaker 1: league to the major league level. So it's really like 457 00:21:57,398 --> 00:22:01,558 Speaker 1: we just already talked about it. The unique Uh, it's 458 00:22:01,598 --> 00:22:03,918 Speaker 1: it's so similar what you do and what we've done, 459 00:22:04,238 --> 00:22:05,958 Speaker 1: what I've done in the minor leagues, and even your path. 460 00:22:06,038 --> 00:22:08,998 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm listening to you talk, it's incredibly similar. Yeah. 461 00:22:09,038 --> 00:22:12,838 Speaker 1: I mean once once Tom invited me Beyond I I 462 00:22:12,838 --> 00:22:15,078 Speaker 1: sat on the couch and read almost the whole book yesterday, 463 00:22:15,118 --> 00:22:18,678 Speaker 1: and I was amazed at the similarities. In in um, 464 00:22:18,718 --> 00:22:21,798 Speaker 1: you know, the preparation and the approach um. The biggest 465 00:22:21,838 --> 00:22:25,118 Speaker 1: difference I saw from from amateur golf high amateur golf. 466 00:22:25,198 --> 00:22:28,118 Speaker 1: Two pros like you said, get your fundamentals in order 467 00:22:28,158 --> 00:22:29,958 Speaker 1: when you get on the PGA Tour. If you get 468 00:22:29,998 --> 00:22:33,598 Speaker 1: to that level, you've got enough game in every part 469 00:22:33,638 --> 00:22:35,998 Speaker 1: of your game to succeed if you get there. But 470 00:22:36,358 --> 00:22:39,878 Speaker 1: when you get there, it's it's completely about playing the game. 471 00:22:40,398 --> 00:22:42,638 Speaker 1: How do I outthink this guy? How tough am I 472 00:22:42,718 --> 00:22:46,238 Speaker 1: in these these high pressure situations? Do I back off? 473 00:22:46,358 --> 00:22:48,398 Speaker 1: Do I? You know? So? I think for a player 474 00:22:48,438 --> 00:22:51,998 Speaker 1: and a caddy, it's much more about forgetting all those fundamentals. 475 00:22:52,358 --> 00:22:54,918 Speaker 1: They're here. You've got to accept that they're here and 476 00:22:54,958 --> 00:22:58,278 Speaker 1: believe that they're here and play the game. They become 477 00:22:58,318 --> 00:23:00,398 Speaker 1: embedded after a period of time. I mean, you have to, 478 00:23:01,198 --> 00:23:04,438 Speaker 1: whether it's batting practice, side piece on the map, taking 479 00:23:04,438 --> 00:23:07,438 Speaker 1: your groundballs, pregame. And I said, I'm I'm a now 480 00:23:07,478 --> 00:23:09,918 Speaker 1: an avid golfer. I've I've come back after thirty years 481 00:23:09,918 --> 00:23:11,878 Speaker 1: of not playing, and I'm a freak right now. Brother. 482 00:23:12,278 --> 00:23:14,758 Speaker 1: I mean, and when I go out to play, I 483 00:23:14,758 --> 00:23:16,518 Speaker 1: really got to get away from my mechanics in the 484 00:23:16,598 --> 00:23:18,798 Speaker 1: days that I do, I play the best. So it's 485 00:23:18,838 --> 00:23:21,358 Speaker 1: it's just it's the same everywhere. Man, we get caught 486 00:23:21,398 --> 00:23:23,358 Speaker 1: up in our own heads, and that comes to my 487 00:23:23,398 --> 00:23:27,038 Speaker 1: son asked me to ask you a question. Joey's spectacular, uh, 488 00:23:27,038 --> 00:23:29,158 Speaker 1: And he asked me to ask you. When you guys 489 00:23:29,238 --> 00:23:31,558 Speaker 1: get in their own head, and we all get in 490 00:23:31,598 --> 00:23:32,918 Speaker 1: our own heads, what do you do to get him 491 00:23:32,958 --> 00:23:35,558 Speaker 1: out of it? Is there anything you do specifically? That's 492 00:23:35,558 --> 00:23:38,198 Speaker 1: a great question, and it depends on how they're in 493 00:23:38,238 --> 00:23:41,278 Speaker 1: their head. Are they angry in their head? Are they 494 00:23:41,478 --> 00:23:44,598 Speaker 1: I'm lost, I don't know what my swing is doing? Um? 495 00:23:44,958 --> 00:23:47,798 Speaker 1: And are they just nervous? Are they just completely wrapped 496 00:23:47,838 --> 00:23:50,318 Speaker 1: up in nerves in this big situation? So you take 497 00:23:50,358 --> 00:23:52,918 Speaker 1: it different ways. If they're angry, you give them a 498 00:23:52,958 --> 00:23:54,958 Speaker 1: couple of holes to work through it. If they don't, 499 00:23:55,558 --> 00:23:57,918 Speaker 1: then you gotta give them some tough love, because at 500 00:23:57,958 --> 00:24:00,678 Speaker 1: that point, you know, the the nice hey you're you're great, 501 00:24:00,718 --> 00:24:02,878 Speaker 1: you're a great player, Come on, that doesn't work. They 502 00:24:02,878 --> 00:24:04,198 Speaker 1: don't want to hear that. You got to get in 503 00:24:04,238 --> 00:24:06,438 Speaker 1: their face and go, hey, quit it all right, you know, 504 00:24:06,798 --> 00:24:08,918 Speaker 1: knock it off. You're better than this. Let's go come 505 00:24:08,958 --> 00:24:10,838 Speaker 1: on and make one good swing or back in this 506 00:24:11,398 --> 00:24:14,918 Speaker 1: if they're nervous, um, and it's a big situation coming 507 00:24:14,958 --> 00:24:16,998 Speaker 1: down the stretch for the first time or at a 508 00:24:17,078 --> 00:24:20,038 Speaker 1: major and they're trying to win a huge tournament. Um, 509 00:24:20,078 --> 00:24:22,678 Speaker 1: I like, I think those times in between the shots 510 00:24:22,718 --> 00:24:25,638 Speaker 1: are just as important as the information you give during 511 00:24:25,678 --> 00:24:28,918 Speaker 1: the shot. Get his mind out of golf. Hey, uh, 512 00:24:28,958 --> 00:24:31,998 Speaker 1: you know with Couch it was you know, his two boys, 513 00:24:32,038 --> 00:24:36,318 Speaker 1: Cameron and and Carson are amazing athletes, So let's talk 514 00:24:36,318 --> 00:24:38,438 Speaker 1: about what they're doing. Hey, how Cam play in his 515 00:24:38,518 --> 00:24:42,158 Speaker 1: tournament last week? What's Carson doing? You know? Um? Other 516 00:24:42,238 --> 00:24:45,118 Speaker 1: times it's um, you know, did you see this movie? 517 00:24:45,158 --> 00:24:46,998 Speaker 1: So and so did you? I'm reading this book, and 518 00:24:47,038 --> 00:24:49,678 Speaker 1: here's what it's about. All of a sudden, they've got 519 00:24:49,718 --> 00:24:51,918 Speaker 1: they're out of their head even as for thirty seconds 520 00:24:51,958 --> 00:24:54,518 Speaker 1: and when they get to the ball, it's fresh. You know, 521 00:24:55,038 --> 00:24:57,998 Speaker 1: they didn't spend three minutes walking with their head down 522 00:24:58,158 --> 00:25:01,438 Speaker 1: slowly grinding on. This is so important. What if I 523 00:25:01,478 --> 00:25:04,478 Speaker 1: win this tournament or gosh, I'm not hitting the shot, Well, 524 00:25:04,518 --> 00:25:07,398 Speaker 1: what am I doing? Get him out of that, completely 525 00:25:07,438 --> 00:25:09,438 Speaker 1: out of it for for three minutes as they're walking 526 00:25:09,558 --> 00:25:12,318 Speaker 1: each of the ball. It's a fresh start. So there 527 00:25:12,438 --> 00:25:14,918 Speaker 1: there's there's different things, different approaches, and you gotta watch 528 00:25:14,918 --> 00:25:17,598 Speaker 1: their body language and to figure out what's best. It's 529 00:25:17,638 --> 00:25:20,518 Speaker 1: the silence between the notes to create the music. That's 530 00:25:20,518 --> 00:25:23,318 Speaker 1: what you just described, you know, And that's uh you're 531 00:25:23,638 --> 00:25:25,958 Speaker 1: and again Tom described you as the best analysts. Everything 532 00:25:25,998 --> 00:25:27,798 Speaker 1: you just told me makes you one of the better 533 00:25:27,838 --> 00:25:30,678 Speaker 1: coaches you've ever met and also one of the better analysts. 534 00:25:30,798 --> 00:25:32,798 Speaker 1: I mean I partly because I guess I really agree 535 00:25:32,838 --> 00:25:34,478 Speaker 1: with everything you just said. I think it's right on. 536 00:25:34,918 --> 00:25:37,918 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And I say best analysts too, because 537 00:25:37,958 --> 00:25:39,958 Speaker 1: I know and you've you've heard it throughout this this 538 00:25:40,038 --> 00:25:42,798 Speaker 1: conversation here. You know John is well prepared to be 539 00:25:42,838 --> 00:25:44,918 Speaker 1: an analyst on TV, not just because of what he 540 00:25:44,958 --> 00:25:47,678 Speaker 1: did as a caddy, but his work habits. Because I 541 00:25:47,718 --> 00:25:51,278 Speaker 1: know in this business, preparation is, if not everything, it's 542 00:25:51,278 --> 00:25:53,398 Speaker 1: pretty darn close to it. And John, you know, going 543 00:25:53,438 --> 00:25:57,478 Speaker 1: into a telecasts, you're you are like a caddy, prepared 544 00:25:57,558 --> 00:26:01,278 Speaker 1: for any eventuality and have to respond in real time 545 00:26:01,398 --> 00:26:04,798 Speaker 1: in that moment, and not only respond, but be concise. 546 00:26:04,998 --> 00:26:06,438 Speaker 1: And to me, that's why I don't know if you 547 00:26:06,478 --> 00:26:08,558 Speaker 1: feel this, John, it's one of the great challenges to 548 00:26:08,638 --> 00:26:10,958 Speaker 1: distill all that information that you have. And for me 549 00:26:11,038 --> 00:26:13,318 Speaker 1: it's some if I'm a field reporter, get it in 550 00:26:13,358 --> 00:26:16,318 Speaker 1: between pitches, which is not a lot of time, and 551 00:26:16,398 --> 00:26:19,598 Speaker 1: for you, between shots and saying the right thing, a 552 00:26:19,598 --> 00:26:22,158 Speaker 1: lot of information distilled in a quick period of time 553 00:26:22,198 --> 00:26:26,038 Speaker 1: that's digestible and more than anything interesting. Uh, it sounds 554 00:26:26,038 --> 00:26:28,198 Speaker 1: like you'd like that challenge. You You do it so well. 555 00:26:28,758 --> 00:26:31,278 Speaker 1: I love it. And what happens typically is you know 556 00:26:31,358 --> 00:26:33,638 Speaker 1: you've got the producer in your ear, you've got the 557 00:26:33,638 --> 00:26:36,638 Speaker 1: telecast in your ear, and you know they're coming to you, 558 00:26:36,678 --> 00:26:39,438 Speaker 1: but you're not exactly sure. When you're not exactly sure 559 00:26:39,478 --> 00:26:41,358 Speaker 1: when this guy is gonna hit the shot, it's not 560 00:26:41,438 --> 00:26:44,478 Speaker 1: like it's you know, you have fifteen seconds every time. 561 00:26:44,918 --> 00:26:47,078 Speaker 1: So when I know they're coming to me and I'm 562 00:26:47,118 --> 00:26:49,478 Speaker 1: watching the guy's pre shot, are they still talking and 563 00:26:49,598 --> 00:26:51,878 Speaker 1: they picked the club? How man? I have more time 564 00:26:51,918 --> 00:26:55,198 Speaker 1: to extemporize on on what what's going on into this shot. 565 00:26:55,238 --> 00:26:58,158 Speaker 1: But when when you know they're coming to you for something, 566 00:26:58,358 --> 00:27:01,718 Speaker 1: you have a thirty second answer, a fifteen second answer, 567 00:27:01,798 --> 00:27:04,678 Speaker 1: and a seventh second answer. Um, you know, obviously if 568 00:27:04,718 --> 00:27:06,758 Speaker 1: you've got thirty seconds, you can talk a lot about 569 00:27:06,838 --> 00:27:09,758 Speaker 1: what's going into the shot, what they're talking about, the decisions, 570 00:27:09,758 --> 00:27:12,198 Speaker 1: what to avoid, what they're trying to do. If it 571 00:27:12,238 --> 00:27:14,038 Speaker 1: cuts down a little bit, you can knock some of 572 00:27:14,078 --> 00:27:16,398 Speaker 1: that out. And you know, if it's if it's the 573 00:27:16,478 --> 00:27:20,198 Speaker 1: seven seconds and you have got to get down to 574 00:27:20,238 --> 00:27:23,478 Speaker 1: the kernel. And and instead of saying one nine iron, 575 00:27:23,558 --> 00:27:26,438 Speaker 1: which I think is boring, I want to say, here's 576 00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:29,798 Speaker 1: this single most important thing about this decision and this shot, 577 00:27:29,878 --> 00:27:32,198 Speaker 1: and I want to get it in quickly. So you 578 00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:35,318 Speaker 1: kind of you're right along with the telecast and go okay, 579 00:27:35,438 --> 00:27:37,798 Speaker 1: I've got thirty noe, now I've got fifteen. Now I 580 00:27:37,838 --> 00:27:40,518 Speaker 1: want to have seven. Here's what it is. So yeah, 581 00:27:40,558 --> 00:27:44,398 Speaker 1: I love that challenge. Um and um, it's a it's 582 00:27:44,438 --> 00:27:46,358 Speaker 1: it's similar to caddying. You know, you don't want to 583 00:27:46,358 --> 00:27:48,838 Speaker 1: give your player a ton of information. He doesn't need 584 00:27:48,878 --> 00:27:50,638 Speaker 1: it all. You want to tell him the one thing 585 00:27:50,638 --> 00:27:54,558 Speaker 1: that's gonna make him believe in the shot. So um, 586 00:27:54,598 --> 00:27:56,678 Speaker 1: you know I try to do the same thing, uh, 587 00:27:56,798 --> 00:27:59,118 Speaker 1: you know, talking on the air as I did to 588 00:27:59,158 --> 00:28:01,998 Speaker 1: my player. Very cool. Well, Joe, you know, John is 589 00:28:02,038 --> 00:28:06,038 Speaker 1: a guy who travels with his guitar. So we have 590 00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:08,798 Speaker 1: to talk about music and especially rock and roll, and 591 00:28:08,838 --> 00:28:20,838 Speaker 1: we will right after a quick break. Welcome back to 592 00:28:20,838 --> 00:28:24,118 Speaker 1: the Book of Joe podcast with John Wood and John 593 00:28:24,158 --> 00:28:27,358 Speaker 1: I mentioned you travel with your guitar. You recorded some 594 00:28:27,478 --> 00:28:31,438 Speaker 1: music an album in fact. Um we talk here, Joe 595 00:28:31,478 --> 00:28:33,478 Speaker 1: and I about sometimes when you want to get your 596 00:28:33,478 --> 00:28:36,638 Speaker 1: head right, you jump in your car, you turn up 597 00:28:36,678 --> 00:28:40,598 Speaker 1: the stereo, you put Bruce on, uh, and just enjoy 598 00:28:40,678 --> 00:28:45,278 Speaker 1: the ride. For you what gets you right? Oh, I 599 00:28:45,318 --> 00:28:48,598 Speaker 1: can't express how big music has been in my life 600 00:28:48,718 --> 00:28:52,198 Speaker 1: for every reason. Um, It's been every as a as 601 00:28:52,198 --> 00:28:55,118 Speaker 1: a you know, the typical teenager. Um, there were certain 602 00:28:55,158 --> 00:28:58,558 Speaker 1: bands that that changed change my world. There's no question 603 00:28:58,598 --> 00:29:00,638 Speaker 1: about it. They changed my life and they continue to 604 00:29:00,678 --> 00:29:03,638 Speaker 1: do so to this day. Um, it's so important to 605 00:29:03,678 --> 00:29:07,638 Speaker 1: me in every way. UM. When the band R. E. M. 606 00:29:07,838 --> 00:29:09,998 Speaker 1: Quit being a band, I got to know those guys 607 00:29:10,038 --> 00:29:12,478 Speaker 1: fairly well over the years, and I wrote a letter 608 00:29:12,518 --> 00:29:14,798 Speaker 1: to them when they when they finished at talking about 609 00:29:15,598 --> 00:29:18,958 Speaker 1: how amazing it was that they provided the soundtrack to 610 00:29:19,078 --> 00:29:21,078 Speaker 1: so much in my life. You know, when I hear 611 00:29:21,158 --> 00:29:24,798 Speaker 1: certain songs, I'm immediately transported back to a person or 612 00:29:24,798 --> 00:29:27,838 Speaker 1: a place or a time in my life. Um, you know, 613 00:29:27,918 --> 00:29:31,358 Speaker 1: and music to me has always given me. If I'm 614 00:29:31,398 --> 00:29:33,878 Speaker 1: in a good mood, it can make me in a 615 00:29:33,878 --> 00:29:36,518 Speaker 1: better mood. It can take me higher, you know. Um 616 00:29:36,558 --> 00:29:40,358 Speaker 1: if I'm in a you know, a sad mood, Um, 617 00:29:40,398 --> 00:29:43,158 Speaker 1: it's um it's almost like a friend saying I understand 618 00:29:43,238 --> 00:29:45,358 Speaker 1: what you're going through here. I mean, you're gonna get 619 00:29:45,358 --> 00:29:47,598 Speaker 1: through it. Don't worry about it. It's it's okay to 620 00:29:47,718 --> 00:29:50,358 Speaker 1: be feeling like this. And and UM, that to me 621 00:29:50,478 --> 00:29:53,198 Speaker 1: is it's I listen to music so much and play music. 622 00:29:53,278 --> 00:29:56,198 Speaker 1: It's uh, other than than you know, finding little league 623 00:29:56,198 --> 00:29:58,158 Speaker 1: games and minor league games on the road. First thing 624 00:29:58,158 --> 00:29:59,918 Speaker 1: I do is look at all right, who's in town 625 00:29:59,958 --> 00:30:02,838 Speaker 1: this week? And I go see any shows. So it's uh, 626 00:30:02,878 --> 00:30:08,358 Speaker 1: it's invaluable in my life. Losing my religion, brother, yes, absolutely, 627 00:30:08,758 --> 00:30:11,198 Speaker 1: absolutely one of my favorite. Can I just go back 628 00:30:11,238 --> 00:30:14,598 Speaker 1: for one second, Tammy, because you kind of you kind 629 00:30:14,598 --> 00:30:20,118 Speaker 1: of touched on last segment, John. Uh. The overabundance of 630 00:30:20,158 --> 00:30:23,558 Speaker 1: information too much, a glut of information that could tend 631 00:30:23,598 --> 00:30:28,078 Speaker 1: to confuse um in our game. Baseball analytics have become 632 00:30:28,078 --> 00:30:30,318 Speaker 1: a really big part of it. And uh, you know, 633 00:30:30,358 --> 00:30:32,998 Speaker 1: I've I've been into it for years and actually was 634 00:30:33,078 --> 00:30:35,718 Speaker 1: at the forefront of it with the Tampa Bay Raise, 635 00:30:35,878 --> 00:30:39,518 Speaker 1: Devil raising and the rays. And there's different reasons why 636 00:30:39,518 --> 00:30:41,278 Speaker 1: I think it's important, but I also believe that at 637 00:30:41,278 --> 00:30:44,278 Speaker 1: some point you gotta shut the doors, um and and 638 00:30:44,358 --> 00:30:47,478 Speaker 1: really minimize an amount of information that you carry. So 639 00:30:47,518 --> 00:30:50,838 Speaker 1: how much do you utilize or as any utilization of 640 00:30:50,878 --> 00:30:54,078 Speaker 1: analytics and your prep and prep for golfers going into 641 00:30:54,078 --> 00:30:56,678 Speaker 1: a tournament, or actually how much is used during the 642 00:30:56,718 --> 00:30:59,278 Speaker 1: course of a round because you do want to minimize 643 00:30:59,278 --> 00:31:02,478 Speaker 1: the noise and get back to the being unconsciously competent 644 00:31:02,518 --> 00:31:04,638 Speaker 1: to see the ball hit the ball your target kind 645 00:31:04,638 --> 00:31:07,878 Speaker 1: of a thing. Sure, probably very similar to baseball, and 646 00:31:07,918 --> 00:31:11,238 Speaker 1: that it's the last few, last five ten years, um. 647 00:31:11,398 --> 00:31:15,678 Speaker 1: An amazing amount of of of stat statistics are used 648 00:31:15,718 --> 00:31:18,198 Speaker 1: now in terms of preparation. A lot of guys higher 649 00:31:18,238 --> 00:31:21,078 Speaker 1: stats guys, and and it will say, you know, they'll 650 00:31:21,118 --> 00:31:24,318 Speaker 1: go through things like, um, hey, this whole last year 651 00:31:24,318 --> 00:31:27,878 Speaker 1: in this tournament played over par, and let's figure out why. 652 00:31:28,118 --> 00:31:30,358 Speaker 1: As the whole field as a field played it over par. 653 00:31:30,518 --> 00:31:32,958 Speaker 1: Let's figure out why and know when you approach this 654 00:31:33,038 --> 00:31:35,158 Speaker 1: hole during this week. You do not have to make 655 00:31:35,198 --> 00:31:37,558 Speaker 1: birdies to gain gain strokes on the field. If you 656 00:31:37,598 --> 00:31:39,878 Speaker 1: make four pars, you're gonna pick up you know, one 657 00:31:39,918 --> 00:31:42,078 Speaker 1: and a half shots on the field compared to last year. 658 00:31:42,398 --> 00:31:45,198 Speaker 1: So in terms of approach to certain holes, it makes 659 00:31:45,198 --> 00:31:49,238 Speaker 1: a huge difference. Um, I think is my personal opinion. 660 00:31:49,558 --> 00:31:52,238 Speaker 1: I think good caddies have all that information without having 661 00:31:52,238 --> 00:31:57,678 Speaker 1: the numbers, you know, um uh yeah, A good caddy 662 00:31:57,758 --> 00:32:00,198 Speaker 1: writes down everything about every shot when they hit it. 663 00:32:00,438 --> 00:32:02,598 Speaker 1: How far did we have, what was the wind doing, 664 00:32:02,678 --> 00:32:05,718 Speaker 1: what club did we hit, how far did it go? Um? 665 00:32:05,758 --> 00:32:07,678 Speaker 1: So you go back year after year and go, hey, 666 00:32:07,958 --> 00:32:10,398 Speaker 1: I know we hit hybrid off this t four times 667 00:32:10,478 --> 00:32:12,758 Speaker 1: last year, but we hit it in the rough three times. 668 00:32:12,798 --> 00:32:16,078 Speaker 1: We played the whole overpar um And if you hit driver, 669 00:32:16,198 --> 00:32:18,158 Speaker 1: it's carrying that bunker and leave me with a sandwich. 670 00:32:18,238 --> 00:32:20,358 Speaker 1: Even if you only hit the fairway once, it's a 671 00:32:20,438 --> 00:32:23,478 Speaker 1: huge advantage to do that. So, um, I think without 672 00:32:23,518 --> 00:32:26,878 Speaker 1: having a huge bank of information as a caddy, you 673 00:32:26,918 --> 00:32:31,078 Speaker 1: know what's gonna work, right. Um. So there's there's a 674 00:32:31,158 --> 00:32:33,878 Speaker 1: there's a type of caddy that we all we all 675 00:32:33,878 --> 00:32:37,358 Speaker 1: referred to as overkill guys who like you said Joe 676 00:32:37,398 --> 00:32:39,318 Speaker 1: a moment ago. You can have all the information in 677 00:32:39,358 --> 00:32:42,238 Speaker 1: the world, but if you're not confident about what that 678 00:32:42,318 --> 00:32:44,198 Speaker 1: one thing is to get him to hit the right shot, 679 00:32:44,238 --> 00:32:47,998 Speaker 1: all that information is completely useless. So you hear on 680 00:32:48,038 --> 00:32:50,518 Speaker 1: the air if a guy gets asked a question, Uh, 681 00:32:50,598 --> 00:32:52,878 Speaker 1: if a caddy gets asked a question, instead of saying 682 00:32:52,998 --> 00:32:56,438 Speaker 1: yes or no and then leading into the explanation, they 683 00:32:56,478 --> 00:32:59,278 Speaker 1: will talk for forty five seconds giving information without giving 684 00:32:59,278 --> 00:33:07,118 Speaker 1: an opinion. Um, sorry for Yeah, that's that's perfect that's 685 00:33:07,158 --> 00:33:13,598 Speaker 1: perfectly that is perfectly well, Joe. You also talked in 686 00:33:13,638 --> 00:33:16,758 Speaker 1: the book about how when the stakes got higher, basically 687 00:33:16,758 --> 00:33:19,318 Speaker 1: in the postseason, the more people wanted to get involved 688 00:33:19,358 --> 00:33:23,478 Speaker 1: with numbers and and and getting even more detailed. I'm wondering, John, 689 00:33:23,478 --> 00:33:26,718 Speaker 1: if you found that at whether Ryder Cup, President's Cup, 690 00:33:27,318 --> 00:33:30,598 Speaker 1: or especially the majors um where the atmosphere is a 691 00:33:30,638 --> 00:33:33,838 Speaker 1: little bit different and my experience as great players tend 692 00:33:33,878 --> 00:33:36,758 Speaker 1: to treat those moments exactly the same. Nothing changes. The 693 00:33:36,878 --> 00:33:39,838 Speaker 1: tendency human nature is to make it bigger. We need 694 00:33:39,878 --> 00:33:42,678 Speaker 1: more information. Uh So, giving an idea of what it's 695 00:33:42,718 --> 00:33:44,838 Speaker 1: like being at a major or some of the high 696 00:33:44,878 --> 00:33:48,318 Speaker 1: profile events, that's so true. I've I've watched more players 697 00:33:48,918 --> 00:33:53,318 Speaker 1: overwork Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, UM at a major and they 698 00:33:53,358 --> 00:33:55,558 Speaker 1: get to Thursday and they're just exhausted. They've got nothing 699 00:33:55,638 --> 00:33:58,198 Speaker 1: left in the tank because they've changed their their routine. 700 00:33:58,638 --> 00:34:01,398 Speaker 1: You know, if your routine is what you think is 701 00:34:01,438 --> 00:34:05,998 Speaker 1: best for you during um, you know, the riviera in 702 00:34:06,278 --> 00:34:09,518 Speaker 1: l A, Um, why is it? Why is it when 703 00:34:09,558 --> 00:34:12,518 Speaker 1: you get to Augusta you completely change that routine. You know, 704 00:34:12,638 --> 00:34:14,478 Speaker 1: if if you think the correct thing to do is 705 00:34:14,518 --> 00:34:16,238 Speaker 1: what you're doing at Augusta, then you should be doing 706 00:34:16,238 --> 00:34:19,518 Speaker 1: that every week. But when you you know, you change everything, 707 00:34:19,718 --> 00:34:22,518 Speaker 1: you're telling your body in your mind that this is bigger, 708 00:34:22,598 --> 00:34:26,158 Speaker 1: this is something else than what you normally do. UM. 709 00:34:26,278 --> 00:34:28,918 Speaker 1: So I think it's huge as a caddy to keep 710 00:34:29,598 --> 00:34:32,278 Speaker 1: keep him in the same routine. UM. The best guy 711 00:34:32,278 --> 00:34:36,358 Speaker 1: at that it was Tiger Tigers. I mean he prepared 712 00:34:36,398 --> 00:34:41,158 Speaker 1: the exact same way every single week. UM, and he 713 00:34:41,198 --> 00:34:43,638 Speaker 1: put as much you know, the shot seven iron he's 714 00:34:43,678 --> 00:34:45,678 Speaker 1: hitting at home and t shirts and his short he 715 00:34:45,758 --> 00:34:47,918 Speaker 1: gave the shorts he gave the same amount of attention 716 00:34:47,958 --> 00:34:49,958 Speaker 1: to as the seven iron he needs to hit at 717 00:34:49,958 --> 00:34:52,718 Speaker 1: Augusta to win the golf tournament. So when he gets 718 00:34:52,758 --> 00:34:55,078 Speaker 1: to that shot at Augusta, he's not nervous. It's the 719 00:34:55,158 --> 00:34:57,878 Speaker 1: same feeling. You know. Obviously it's bigger and he's more 720 00:34:57,918 --> 00:35:01,998 Speaker 1: amped up, but it's the same feeling. Um. I'll tell 721 00:35:01,998 --> 00:35:04,438 Speaker 1: you Hunter Mayhan. When I worked for Hunter, his first 722 00:35:04,438 --> 00:35:07,878 Speaker 1: President's Cup was in Montreal. Big time. When when you 723 00:35:07,878 --> 00:35:10,358 Speaker 1: make your first American team, it's huge. You know, you're 724 00:35:10,398 --> 00:35:12,678 Speaker 1: there with Tiger and Phil and all these guys that 725 00:35:12,758 --> 00:35:15,638 Speaker 1: have been your your heroes and your examples over the years. 726 00:35:16,078 --> 00:35:18,238 Speaker 1: And you know, Hunter had a really good team around him. 727 00:35:18,238 --> 00:35:20,398 Speaker 1: He had a sports psychologist and he had a punting coach, 728 00:35:20,438 --> 00:35:22,678 Speaker 1: and they were both there kind of as a reward 729 00:35:22,758 --> 00:35:27,398 Speaker 1: for for being with him the whole time. And um, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, 730 00:35:27,478 --> 00:35:30,678 Speaker 1: it was like they wouldn't let him get five feet 731 00:35:30,678 --> 00:35:33,118 Speaker 1: away from him every They were right on top of 732 00:35:33,158 --> 00:35:35,678 Speaker 1: him the entire time. And I let it go for 733 00:35:35,838 --> 00:35:38,798 Speaker 1: a couple of days, and you know, I just once 734 00:35:38,878 --> 00:35:41,718 Speaker 1: he didn't play well in his first match on Thursday, Um, 735 00:35:41,758 --> 00:35:43,638 Speaker 1: and I sat down with those two guys. I go, 736 00:35:43,718 --> 00:35:46,318 Speaker 1: you guys are amazing. You do a great job. But 737 00:35:46,398 --> 00:35:49,198 Speaker 1: let's once you stand thirty feet back and when we 738 00:35:49,278 --> 00:35:52,158 Speaker 1: need you, if we need you, we'll call you in. Absolutely, 739 00:35:52,158 --> 00:35:54,398 Speaker 1: we'll call you in, you know, during the practice. But 740 00:35:54,398 --> 00:35:57,798 Speaker 1: but to be there every second, it's it's too much. 741 00:35:58,318 --> 00:36:02,838 Speaker 1: So they you have no idea what you're saying. You 742 00:36:02,918 --> 00:36:05,598 Speaker 1: were qualified to work in my world. I'm not qualified 743 00:36:05,598 --> 00:36:08,758 Speaker 1: to work in yours. The funniest thing about that was, 744 00:36:08,918 --> 00:36:12,478 Speaker 1: you know, Tiger notices everything. You think he's very insular 745 00:36:12,518 --> 00:36:15,358 Speaker 1: in his own world. But uh, that day when Hunter 746 00:36:15,438 --> 00:36:18,638 Speaker 1: started warm up on Friday, UM, Tiger was hitting balls, 747 00:36:18,678 --> 00:36:20,878 Speaker 1: you know, eight or nine stalls down and I hear, 748 00:36:20,918 --> 00:36:22,838 Speaker 1: what do you come here? So he calls me over 749 00:36:22,878 --> 00:36:25,878 Speaker 1: and I go over. I go what's up? He goes, 750 00:36:26,558 --> 00:36:31,918 Speaker 1: did you tell so and so to f Off? I said, yeah, 751 00:36:31,918 --> 00:36:33,758 Speaker 1: I said we need a little break. He goes, good, 752 00:36:33,758 --> 00:36:37,478 Speaker 1: call so Tiger. You know, he notices everything. It's incredible. 753 00:36:37,718 --> 00:36:40,878 Speaker 1: It sounds familiar on Joe this. I mean, listen, I 754 00:36:41,078 --> 00:36:43,878 Speaker 1: I'm really I'm so impressed by everything you're saying right now. 755 00:36:43,918 --> 00:36:48,318 Speaker 1: And and it dovetails perfectly into into our baseball world 756 00:36:48,398 --> 00:36:52,078 Speaker 1: right now, um and writing notes down as we're talking 757 00:36:52,158 --> 00:36:55,198 Speaker 1: right now, because everything we are we're touching on right now, 758 00:36:55,238 --> 00:36:58,398 Speaker 1: it really UM. It's very familiar to me. It's very familiar. 759 00:36:58,438 --> 00:37:00,558 Speaker 1: It's the kind of things that that's the stuff that 760 00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:06,038 Speaker 1: bothers me about us too, where there's so much uh 761 00:37:06,198 --> 00:37:09,158 Speaker 1: so many people wanted to create input right prior to 762 00:37:09,198 --> 00:37:12,158 Speaker 1: the game, and and you you don't need it right 763 00:37:12,238 --> 00:37:13,758 Speaker 1: prior to the game. I want them to give us 764 00:37:13,758 --> 00:37:16,478 Speaker 1: our work and then, like you said, stay thirty feet away. 765 00:37:17,238 --> 00:37:21,238 Speaker 1: You don't really need to constantly being reminding people about 766 00:37:21,278 --> 00:37:23,078 Speaker 1: something that some kind of work that you had done 767 00:37:23,478 --> 00:37:25,398 Speaker 1: hours ago. Of course I want to hear about it, 768 00:37:25,438 --> 00:37:28,198 Speaker 1: but I don't want to continually uh here about it. 769 00:37:28,278 --> 00:37:31,278 Speaker 1: So there's times less as well. One of my first 770 00:37:31,398 --> 00:37:35,078 Speaker 1: when I have my opening UM talk with the team 771 00:37:35,118 --> 00:37:37,758 Speaker 1: in UM in spring training, I'll say, listen, I want 772 00:37:37,838 --> 00:37:40,078 Speaker 1: us to play the same game on March fifteenth as 773 00:37:40,078 --> 00:37:42,438 Speaker 1: we do on June fifteenth, as we do in October 774 00:37:42,558 --> 00:37:45,598 Speaker 1: fift same game. I want the same kind of prep attitude. 775 00:37:45,598 --> 00:37:48,718 Speaker 1: Actually I want less. Like Tommy suggested, when you're when 776 00:37:48,758 --> 00:37:51,318 Speaker 1: you're doing it all year long, the body takes a 777 00:37:51,318 --> 00:37:55,398 Speaker 1: beating without even realizing a repetition constantly. It's difficult. It's 778 00:37:55,398 --> 00:37:59,798 Speaker 1: difficult to recreate physically that kind of movement precisely, unless 779 00:37:59,838 --> 00:38:01,678 Speaker 1: you do give yourself a little bit of a break. 780 00:38:01,718 --> 00:38:04,158 Speaker 1: I think diminishing me turns thats set in. So I've 781 00:38:04,198 --> 00:38:07,198 Speaker 1: always wanted my guys to space things out, but the 782 00:38:07,238 --> 00:38:08,918 Speaker 1: approach of the day has got to be the same. 783 00:38:09,598 --> 00:38:11,838 Speaker 1: So by the time you get to October, you're not 784 00:38:11,878 --> 00:38:14,558 Speaker 1: adding more weight to that moment. The weight should be 785 00:38:14,638 --> 00:38:17,038 Speaker 1: the equal amount of weight that you've played in April, June, 786 00:38:17,118 --> 00:38:20,598 Speaker 1: July and October as you're playing in the ALCS, NLCS 787 00:38:20,958 --> 00:38:24,438 Speaker 1: trying to get to the World Series. Yeah. Um, I 788 00:38:24,558 --> 00:38:26,038 Speaker 1: hate to keep going back to him, but he's the 789 00:38:26,118 --> 00:38:28,518 Speaker 1: example of how to do things, you know, the right 790 00:38:28,598 --> 00:38:31,438 Speaker 1: way so much. I asked Tiger, once you know, would 791 00:38:31,478 --> 00:38:36,638 Speaker 1: you rather, um, would you rather be completely prepared physically, 792 00:38:36,878 --> 00:38:40,198 Speaker 1: knowing you had every shot in your bag the way 793 00:38:40,278 --> 00:38:42,798 Speaker 1: you wanted it Thursday morning and maybe be a little 794 00:38:42,838 --> 00:38:46,598 Speaker 1: worn out, or have things that you're still working towards 795 00:38:46,718 --> 00:38:49,878 Speaker 1: and be completely fresh on Thursday. Before I finished the question, 796 00:38:49,918 --> 00:38:51,598 Speaker 1: he said, I want to be fresh on Thursday. I'll 797 00:38:51,598 --> 00:38:53,558 Speaker 1: figure the rest out. I'll put up a score and 798 00:38:53,638 --> 00:38:56,958 Speaker 1: I'll figure that out. We're gonna work together in some place. 799 00:38:57,998 --> 00:39:00,838 Speaker 1: I mean, if I ever get a manager's job again. 800 00:39:00,838 --> 00:39:04,038 Speaker 1: You're gonna be on that staff somehow. All this, if 801 00:39:04,078 --> 00:39:06,518 Speaker 1: you're talking about it, taught me knows because Tommy and 802 00:39:06,518 --> 00:39:09,318 Speaker 1: I talked about this all the time. You're describing such 803 00:39:09,398 --> 00:39:13,998 Speaker 1: parallel universes. It's it's really great to hear. Uh. It's 804 00:39:14,158 --> 00:39:16,918 Speaker 1: it's the great tear your thoughts validated by someone in 805 00:39:16,998 --> 00:39:21,038 Speaker 1: your position. But it's it's so similar, it's it's scary. 806 00:39:21,118 --> 00:39:24,118 Speaker 1: It actually is scary. I'm holding you to that. I'm 807 00:39:24,158 --> 00:39:26,878 Speaker 1: I'm gonna report this, and if you get another manager job, 808 00:39:26,918 --> 00:39:29,038 Speaker 1: I'm calling my producer right away, I says, I'm out. 809 00:39:29,198 --> 00:39:31,798 Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to work. What if we play the Giants? 810 00:39:31,838 --> 00:39:34,958 Speaker 1: So what if we played the Giants? Where's your right now? 811 00:39:35,198 --> 00:39:38,998 Speaker 1: I got no problem? Okay, yeah, but Joe, you broke 812 00:39:39,078 --> 00:39:45,838 Speaker 1: his heart. I'm sure that. Yeah, that was great to 813 00:39:46,238 --> 00:39:48,838 Speaker 1: two thousand two, wasn't two thousand to Let me tell 814 00:39:48,878 --> 00:39:51,278 Speaker 1: you a story about two thousand too. You know, I 815 00:39:51,478 --> 00:39:53,358 Speaker 1: was I was a huge Giants fan and had never 816 00:39:53,798 --> 00:39:56,318 Speaker 1: been there for as a fan for a World Series win, 817 00:39:56,438 --> 00:39:59,558 Speaker 1: and things were looking great. Five nothing um with our 818 00:39:59,638 --> 00:40:02,358 Speaker 1: ace rest urts on the mound, and I saw Dusty 819 00:40:02,438 --> 00:40:04,798 Speaker 1: walk up those steps, and I loved Dusty, but I 820 00:40:04,838 --> 00:40:06,958 Speaker 1: I saw Dusty walk up the steps and I think 821 00:40:07,118 --> 00:40:09,598 Speaker 1: all of Russ had given up. Was like a cheap 822 00:40:09,638 --> 00:40:11,518 Speaker 1: ground ball that got through and maybe a walk and 823 00:40:11,798 --> 00:40:14,358 Speaker 1: Dusty took him out, and I just I shook my 824 00:40:14,478 --> 00:40:17,038 Speaker 1: head and I put this is the time of VCRs. 825 00:40:17,038 --> 00:40:20,798 Speaker 1: I put a tape in left and listen to music 826 00:40:20,878 --> 00:40:24,998 Speaker 1: for two hours, driving around, came back, saw the scores 827 00:40:25,158 --> 00:40:27,358 Speaker 1: and I knew it. I'm glad I didn't watch that 828 00:40:27,398 --> 00:40:29,918 Speaker 1: because I knew it was coming. I guess something I 829 00:40:29,958 --> 00:40:33,278 Speaker 1: would have done exactly. Yeah, listen that that's that really 830 00:40:33,318 --> 00:40:36,238 Speaker 1: safe because the guy brought in Fernandez, right, Tommy's from 831 00:40:36,398 --> 00:40:40,158 Speaker 1: Hernan Fernande. Yeah, he only threw fastballs and Speace could 832 00:40:40,158 --> 00:40:42,198 Speaker 1: only hit a fastball, and that was that was a 833 00:40:42,238 --> 00:40:46,958 Speaker 1: perfect matchup for us. Yeah, I remember, in hindsight, I'm 834 00:40:46,998 --> 00:40:50,038 Speaker 1: kind of glad that the teams that wanted first were 835 00:40:50,078 --> 00:40:53,398 Speaker 1: they got their first UM just because they were more 836 00:40:53,518 --> 00:40:57,318 Speaker 1: likable teams than than you know, the Bonds era. But yeah, 837 00:40:57,478 --> 00:41:00,118 Speaker 1: that that one broke my heart at the time for sure. Well, John, 838 00:41:00,198 --> 00:41:02,478 Speaker 1: we do have a job for you right now. That's 839 00:41:02,518 --> 00:41:05,358 Speaker 1: to be part of a segment week all a reading 840 00:41:05,678 --> 00:41:08,438 Speaker 1: from the Book of Joe. We believe that every one 841 00:41:08,518 --> 00:41:11,238 Speaker 1: of these pages has a good story and interesting factoid, 842 00:41:11,438 --> 00:41:13,838 Speaker 1: or maybe it's just some life lessons involved in it. 843 00:41:13,958 --> 00:41:16,758 Speaker 1: So we ask our guests to pick a number at 844 00:41:16,838 --> 00:41:20,598 Speaker 1: their choosing from one to three hundred sixty eight, and 845 00:41:20,798 --> 00:41:23,198 Speaker 1: that's when we will have a reading from the Book 846 00:41:23,238 --> 00:41:26,838 Speaker 1: of Joe. So your turn. Uh. You know, I thought 847 00:41:26,838 --> 00:41:28,638 Speaker 1: of a couple of different ways to go about this, 848 00:41:28,758 --> 00:41:31,478 Speaker 1: but I gotta go with my favorite giant of all time, 849 00:41:31,638 --> 00:41:34,038 Speaker 1: Will Clark, and I'll go with twenty two. Start early 850 00:41:34,078 --> 00:41:39,358 Speaker 1: in the Will Clark, Right, Okay, this is getting into 851 00:41:39,638 --> 00:41:43,558 Speaker 1: uh Joe's background and uh, of course he's from Hazelton, 852 00:41:43,638 --> 00:41:46,518 Speaker 1: p A. And we talked about one of his idols, 853 00:41:47,078 --> 00:41:51,878 Speaker 1: Joe Nameth. Sports fueled him. Friends called him broad Street Joe, 854 00:41:52,278 --> 00:41:55,438 Speaker 1: the Hazelton quarterback version of Broadway Joe. Nameeth his favorite 855 00:41:55,478 --> 00:41:59,558 Speaker 1: football player, or Termite because he was small and feisty, 856 00:42:00,438 --> 00:42:04,518 Speaker 1: or Monsigor because of his clean language, a trait that, 857 00:42:04,678 --> 00:42:08,638 Speaker 1: to his parents chagrin, would not last. Madden was a 858 00:42:08,718 --> 00:42:11,118 Speaker 1: three sports standout at Halton High School. He went on 859 00:42:11,238 --> 00:42:14,118 Speaker 1: football recruiting trips to Gettysburg and Brown but as someone 860 00:42:14,158 --> 00:42:16,238 Speaker 1: who had never slept outside his own bed on the 861 00:42:16,278 --> 00:42:20,078 Speaker 1: East eleventh Street, he was uncomfortable at both places. He 862 00:42:20,198 --> 00:42:23,798 Speaker 1: decided to play football Lafayette College, about forty minute miles 863 00:42:23,878 --> 00:42:26,878 Speaker 1: from home, for coach Neil Putnam. In late summer of 864 00:42:26,958 --> 00:42:30,038 Speaker 1: seventy two, Joseph and Beanie drove their oldest son to 865 00:42:30,198 --> 00:42:33,118 Speaker 1: Lafayette and dropped him and his foot locker at Room 866 00:42:33,198 --> 00:42:36,638 Speaker 1: one twenty three of McKeen Hall. Only three days later, 867 00:42:37,038 --> 00:42:40,598 Speaker 1: just after freshman football practice had begun, Madden walked to 868 00:42:40,798 --> 00:42:42,918 Speaker 1: pay phone at the end of the hallway at his dorm. 869 00:42:43,438 --> 00:42:46,558 Speaker 1: He called his mother, Mom, I want to come home, 870 00:42:46,918 --> 00:42:49,158 Speaker 1: he told her, I'm going to become a plumber, just 871 00:42:49,438 --> 00:42:52,998 Speaker 1: like dad. He was homesick, and the competition he faced 872 00:42:53,038 --> 00:42:55,358 Speaker 1: for playing time was nothing like what he'd known in 873 00:42:55,438 --> 00:42:58,958 Speaker 1: little Hazelton. No, you are not coming home, and and 874 00:42:59,038 --> 00:43:02,398 Speaker 1: he said, no, I really want to. Joe told her, 875 00:43:02,638 --> 00:43:05,478 Speaker 1: I can't do this. I'm not good enough. After a 876 00:43:05,518 --> 00:43:07,718 Speaker 1: week or so, you're going to be fine, she said, 877 00:43:08,118 --> 00:43:10,198 Speaker 1: you're going to get into it and you're going to 878 00:43:10,358 --> 00:43:14,398 Speaker 1: enjoy yourself. You're staying there. Madden hung up. He stayed. 879 00:43:14,918 --> 00:43:17,358 Speaker 1: Of course, after a week or two. She was right, 880 00:43:17,718 --> 00:43:20,638 Speaker 1: he says, And boy, doesn't that ring true It almost 881 00:43:20,678 --> 00:43:22,478 Speaker 1: all of us, right, John. I mean, you get those 882 00:43:22,558 --> 00:43:25,838 Speaker 1: moments of doubt in your mind, and whether it's family 883 00:43:25,918 --> 00:43:29,718 Speaker 1: or friends, you have influencers. Um, we'll kind of get 884 00:43:29,798 --> 00:43:32,078 Speaker 1: pull you through those moments. And you're the better for 885 00:43:32,398 --> 00:43:35,958 Speaker 1: going through those tough times, no question. I think sometimes 886 00:43:36,198 --> 00:43:38,718 Speaker 1: people around you know what you're capable of more than 887 00:43:38,878 --> 00:43:41,118 Speaker 1: than you know. Um. And that sounds like one of 888 00:43:41,158 --> 00:43:43,118 Speaker 1: those points where Joe's mom knew that he could do 889 00:43:43,238 --> 00:43:45,398 Speaker 1: this and he just needed to stick it out past 890 00:43:45,438 --> 00:43:48,318 Speaker 1: this one point. So um, it's important, so important to 891 00:43:48,358 --> 00:43:50,798 Speaker 1: have those people that that believe in you more than 892 00:43:50,918 --> 00:43:53,318 Speaker 1: maybe you believe in yourself. I mean, it's a little 893 00:43:53,398 --> 00:43:55,598 Speaker 1: pay phone at the end of the hall by the bathroom, 894 00:43:55,918 --> 00:43:57,998 Speaker 1: those cell phones at that com you gotta put your 895 00:43:58,078 --> 00:44:01,558 Speaker 1: quarters in there. I probably called the reverse charges at 896 00:44:01,598 --> 00:44:05,478 Speaker 1: that time, right. And Mom's a tough pole. She's still 897 00:44:05,518 --> 00:44:09,318 Speaker 1: with us, should be ninety on January one, and beanies, 898 00:44:09,438 --> 00:44:11,358 Speaker 1: she's still tough. She still I walk in the room, 899 00:44:11,438 --> 00:44:13,638 Speaker 1: she gives me a hard time. I didn't show up 900 00:44:13,678 --> 00:44:15,158 Speaker 1: a cup for a couple of days, and she I 901 00:44:15,278 --> 00:44:19,198 Speaker 1: walked into she said, well, well, well, like, where have 902 00:44:19,398 --> 00:44:22,318 Speaker 1: you been? Uh? So, I'll never be and you'll never 903 00:44:22,358 --> 00:44:24,158 Speaker 1: stop giving me crap and I love her for it. 904 00:44:24,718 --> 00:44:28,678 Speaker 1: Oh that's tremendous. Tom. You mentioned your your plumbing emergency 905 00:44:28,718 --> 00:44:30,838 Speaker 1: on Christmas. If that hadn't worked out for Joe, he 906 00:44:30,918 --> 00:44:32,878 Speaker 1: might have been over there fixing your mirfe the next day. 907 00:44:33,718 --> 00:44:36,038 Speaker 1: I've been dialing up Joe. Hey, can you come over 908 00:44:36,078 --> 00:44:38,958 Speaker 1: at three fifteen in the morning. But Joe, I remember 909 00:44:38,958 --> 00:44:41,638 Speaker 1: you telling stories about your dad would do that all 910 00:44:41,678 --> 00:44:44,718 Speaker 1: the time, and those Hazelton winters, and would do it 911 00:44:44,758 --> 00:44:46,878 Speaker 1: with a smile on his face. That's a life lesson 912 00:44:46,998 --> 00:44:48,438 Speaker 1: right there. My mom would go with him a lot, 913 00:44:48,558 --> 00:44:50,558 Speaker 1: and if the guy the people couldn't pay, he would 914 00:44:50,598 --> 00:44:52,438 Speaker 1: just trade something off. I mean, that's just how he 915 00:44:52,678 --> 00:44:56,598 Speaker 1: was special. Yeah, and you went long enough to understand 916 00:44:56,638 --> 00:44:58,958 Speaker 1: that that's not what you wanted to do. Yeah, that's 917 00:44:59,478 --> 00:45:02,078 Speaker 1: I figured that out rather quickly. I didn't know at 918 00:45:02,198 --> 00:45:06,798 Speaker 1: nine sixteen. From the seven eighths, I had no clue. Still, dope, Hey, John, 919 00:45:06,878 --> 00:45:09,398 Speaker 1: give us some idea as we enter this new year here, 920 00:45:09,518 --> 00:45:11,518 Speaker 1: what's ahead for you is short term and long term. 921 00:45:11,918 --> 00:45:13,998 Speaker 1: Got some great stuff coming up this year. I'm starting 922 00:45:14,078 --> 00:45:16,598 Speaker 1: obviously in at Cappela in a couple of weeks, which 923 00:45:16,678 --> 00:45:19,638 Speaker 1: is uh actually about a week, which is always a 924 00:45:19,758 --> 00:45:21,958 Speaker 1: great place to start the year. UM. So I worked 925 00:45:21,998 --> 00:45:24,558 Speaker 1: those two in Hawaii, then I worked the American Express 926 00:45:24,598 --> 00:45:27,598 Speaker 1: in Palm Springs. UM. Then the things kind of switch 927 00:45:27,718 --> 00:45:29,918 Speaker 1: over to CBS at that point from NBC for a while, 928 00:45:29,998 --> 00:45:32,718 Speaker 1: so I'll have some time off after that. But boy, 929 00:45:32,758 --> 00:45:35,478 Speaker 1: we've got some women's US Opens at Pebble for the 930 00:45:35,518 --> 00:45:39,398 Speaker 1: first time Men's US Open at at l a country club, 931 00:45:39,438 --> 00:45:41,638 Speaker 1: which will be incredible. Never been played there before, or 932 00:45:41,638 --> 00:45:45,478 Speaker 1: if it has, it's been ages um Royal Liverpool for 933 00:45:45,518 --> 00:45:48,318 Speaker 1: the Open Championship, which is I love the course. It 934 00:45:48,398 --> 00:45:51,398 Speaker 1: probably doesn't get as many accolades as it should um, 935 00:45:51,798 --> 00:45:54,238 Speaker 1: But then you know, we got backed back in in 936 00:45:54,358 --> 00:45:56,758 Speaker 1: Spain and Italy the Ryder Cup and the Solheim Cup, 937 00:45:57,198 --> 00:46:01,238 Speaker 1: so I'm really Ryder Cups my favorite, uh favorite event 938 00:46:01,558 --> 00:46:04,518 Speaker 1: in any sport anywhere, And if you guys haven't been 939 00:46:04,558 --> 00:46:06,878 Speaker 1: to one, put it on your bucket list because it's like, uh, 940 00:46:07,318 --> 00:46:09,798 Speaker 1: it's like a college football game and happen to be 941 00:46:09,878 --> 00:46:13,358 Speaker 1: golf going around it. But it's just the the atmosphere 942 00:46:13,438 --> 00:46:17,558 Speaker 1: is just electric um from a team standpoint, So really 943 00:46:17,598 --> 00:46:20,918 Speaker 1: looking forward to all those. We accept the invitation. We're there, 944 00:46:21,238 --> 00:46:25,558 Speaker 1: you're in. Hey, I need I need a yardage guy. 945 00:46:25,598 --> 00:46:28,958 Speaker 1: Every week you can doe where's it at? Where's it at? 946 00:46:28,998 --> 00:46:33,318 Speaker 1: This year? It's in Italy in Rome. Oh my goodness 947 00:46:33,518 --> 00:46:40,078 Speaker 1: speaking Hey Paisano you speaking my language? Wow? Uh? Yeah, 948 00:46:40,238 --> 00:46:43,398 Speaker 1: this has been just so much fun. We knew you'd 949 00:46:43,438 --> 00:46:45,718 Speaker 1: you'd be able to kind of hone in on some 950 00:46:45,798 --> 00:46:47,318 Speaker 1: of the things we have in the book, but I 951 00:46:47,438 --> 00:46:50,718 Speaker 1: think Joe, both of us realized or didn't realize the 952 00:46:51,438 --> 00:46:54,638 Speaker 1: level of similarities, and it was really just so instructive 953 00:46:54,638 --> 00:46:57,358 Speaker 1: and entertaining and interesting to hear explain all that. So 954 00:46:57,478 --> 00:47:01,678 Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough. Guys. I've working golf. Baseball 955 00:47:01,838 --> 00:47:04,638 Speaker 1: is my all time love and on a I've never 956 00:47:04,758 --> 00:47:08,398 Speaker 1: been more nervous for a podcast or an interview than 957 00:47:08,518 --> 00:47:11,398 Speaker 1: than coming in with you guys, because it's baseball. You know. 958 00:47:11,518 --> 00:47:13,438 Speaker 1: What can I say? It's just it's always meant the 959 00:47:13,478 --> 00:47:15,878 Speaker 1: world to me, So it's been my honor. So thanks 960 00:47:15,918 --> 00:47:18,798 Speaker 1: for having me on. It's been a blast. Unknowingly, you 961 00:47:18,838 --> 00:47:20,478 Speaker 1: are a baseball guy. I just want you to know 962 00:47:20,638 --> 00:47:22,838 Speaker 1: that you truly are a baseball you get it. You totally, 963 00:47:22,878 --> 00:47:25,198 Speaker 1: you totally get it. You absolutely get it. Thank you 964 00:47:25,358 --> 00:47:28,358 Speaker 1: very much. That's a high high compliment. And happy New 965 00:47:28,438 --> 00:47:30,238 Speaker 1: Year to you, to you and your family, Buddy, thanks 966 00:47:30,278 --> 00:47:31,998 Speaker 1: for being guys to hope we run into you on 967 00:47:32,078 --> 00:47:34,078 Speaker 1: the road sometime. Just get in touching here. We will 968 00:47:34,398 --> 00:47:40,478 Speaker 1: please do we will trust me. Italy sounds good, real good, well, Joe, 969 00:47:40,518 --> 00:47:42,718 Speaker 1: what a pleasure that was. And spent some time with 970 00:47:43,278 --> 00:47:45,518 Speaker 1: John Wood, a guy who's I knew he was a 971 00:47:45,598 --> 00:47:47,678 Speaker 1: huge baseball fan by the way, because he told me 972 00:47:48,078 --> 00:47:50,038 Speaker 1: like I did as a kid. He played the game 973 00:47:50,198 --> 00:47:53,758 Speaker 1: Ethan Allen's All Star Baseball that was the baseball game 974 00:47:53,798 --> 00:47:57,038 Speaker 1: of the Cards and the Spinner. Uh So he's a 975 00:47:57,078 --> 00:48:01,278 Speaker 1: bona fide baseball guy and obviously a great observer of 976 00:48:01,398 --> 00:48:03,278 Speaker 1: human nature. Would you have to be as a caddie? 977 00:48:03,518 --> 00:48:05,798 Speaker 1: He really he is. He's he sees things, man. That's 978 00:48:05,838 --> 00:48:09,358 Speaker 1: what I talked about. The best coaches see see things. Um, 979 00:48:09,598 --> 00:48:12,478 Speaker 1: and I would I would have to believe that any guy, 980 00:48:12,638 --> 00:48:15,678 Speaker 1: any player that got to work with John Um, they'd 981 00:48:15,758 --> 00:48:18,318 Speaker 1: want him back. I mean, what would he just related 982 00:48:18,358 --> 00:48:21,318 Speaker 1: to us um just freely from a coaching sense to 983 00:48:21,398 --> 00:48:25,158 Speaker 1: me was outstanding, and um, I didn't realize he was 984 00:48:25,198 --> 00:48:27,038 Speaker 1: all of that, but he's all of that. Yeah, that 985 00:48:27,158 --> 00:48:29,678 Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. So happy New Year, Joe. 986 00:48:29,758 --> 00:48:32,038 Speaker 1: You got something to uh kind of start us off, 987 00:48:33,078 --> 00:48:36,038 Speaker 1: to take us out. Yeah. Yeah. This is from Henry 988 00:48:36,118 --> 00:48:38,758 Speaker 1: Rowlands from the nineteen eighties punk scene that you might 989 00:48:38,838 --> 00:48:41,478 Speaker 1: know Black Flag, because I think you're more and tune 990 00:48:41,478 --> 00:48:43,798 Speaker 1: to that than I was am. But I know John 991 00:48:43,878 --> 00:48:47,358 Speaker 1: Wood would enjoys into the replacements and the punk scene. 992 00:48:47,398 --> 00:48:49,838 Speaker 1: There you go. So I thought this was great. But 993 00:48:50,518 --> 00:48:53,718 Speaker 1: if you want a good body, work at it. If 994 00:48:53,758 --> 00:48:57,038 Speaker 1: you want to be as success, work at it. If 995 00:48:57,078 --> 00:49:00,438 Speaker 1: you want to be truly exceptional, be a touch and saint. 996 00:49:01,158 --> 00:49:03,398 Speaker 1: You need a little insanity to do great things. We've 997 00:49:03,438 --> 00:49:05,158 Speaker 1: talked about at it. It's gotta be a little bit 998 00:49:05,158 --> 00:49:07,878 Speaker 1: crazy to be great. And I read that. I thought 999 00:49:07,918 --> 00:49:10,718 Speaker 1: it was absolutely perfect. You got to take a chance. 1000 00:49:10,878 --> 00:49:13,718 Speaker 1: And I always remember fortune favors the bolt, all those 1001 00:49:13,758 --> 00:49:16,878 Speaker 1: thoughts all wrapped up into one going into the new year. Uh, 1002 00:49:17,478 --> 00:49:19,918 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies six two point Oh, that's how I'm looking 1003 00:49:19,958 --> 00:49:23,398 Speaker 1: at it. Awesome, Get outside your box. That's it, baby, 1004 00:49:23,638 --> 00:49:26,318 Speaker 1: that's where, that's where the real, real living begins. Happy 1005 00:49:26,398 --> 00:49:28,478 Speaker 1: New Year, Joe, see you next time. You two brother, 1006 00:49:28,558 --> 00:49:31,918 Speaker 1: Thank you man. The Book of Joe podcast is a 1007 00:49:31,958 --> 00:49:34,918 Speaker 1: production of I heart Radio. 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