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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. Oh, I should say...

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and this is Chuck,

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Speaker 2: and this is you too. And this is Stuff You

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Speaker 2: Should Know, the Twilight Zone edition.

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Speaker 1: Completely unrecognizable as the Twilight Zone theme song.

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Speaker 2: Really? It was off?

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Speaker 1: I think you give people 100 guesses. No one's guessing

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Speaker 1: Twilight Zone.

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Speaker 2: Oh, wow. All right, well.

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Speaker 1: I've been singing the Golden Earring song in my head

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Speaker 1: all day.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I forgot about that. Thanks for that, earworm.

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Speaker 1: When the bullet hits the bone.

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Speaker 2: That's the one?

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Speaker 1: That's the one.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that was Golden Earring, too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They talk about doing speed in that Twilight Zone song. Actually,

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Speaker 2: he talks about not doing speed because he's almost there.

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Speaker 1: Oh, wow. I think I knew that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he says, no more speed, I'm almost there. Oh, okay.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's talking about driving fast.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. No, but we're talking

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Speaker 1: about Twilight Zone, the great TV show that started out

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Speaker 1: in October 2nd, 1959 at a time when TV minds

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Speaker 1: would be blown because if you're talking about I guess

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Speaker 1: whatever you would call science fiction on television at the time.

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Speaker 1: It's very kind of corny B-movie kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: And people were not ready for what the great, great

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Speaker 1: Rod Serling was about to deliver into their living rooms.

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Speaker 2: No, the 50s started what's known as the golden age

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Speaker 2: of television. And Rod Serling was a major part of

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Speaker 2: making it the golden age of television. And not just

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Speaker 2: with the Twilight Zone. He started out with an illustrious

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Speaker 2: career basically right off the bat. He was doing some

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Speaker 2: radio writing. He started to try his hand at TV.

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Speaker 2: And at the time... TV was about as good as

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Speaker 2: those B-sci-fi movies were. You had variety shows, westerns, lots

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Speaker 2: and lots of westerns. Oh, yeah. Sitcoms that were mostly slapstick,

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Speaker 2: nothing like– there wasn't anything particularly high-minded, right?

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Speaker 2: And so Serling comes along and he starts writing these

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Speaker 2: 90-minute TV plays– That were broadcast live. So it was

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Speaker 2: very much like a live TV play. And that they

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Speaker 2: were just the stuff he was writing. It just hadn't

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Speaker 2: been seen before on television. And again, television wasn't that old.

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Speaker 2: So there wasn't a lot to compare it to. But

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Speaker 2: to just astronomical new levels.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. His big hit that he kind of

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Speaker 1: got his name for at first was in 1956. It

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Speaker 1: was a one of those teleplays called Patterns. And it

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Speaker 1: was about kind of ruthless business people. And it was really,

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Speaker 1: really popular. And I think you found this thing that

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Speaker 1: show ever to run again. Like they put it on

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And so this is his first thing that got

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Speaker 2: really big. And he hadn't been writing all that long

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Speaker 2: recipient of more Emmys for TV writing than anyone in history,

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Speaker 2: still to this day. So he was really, really good

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Speaker 2: at what he did. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Another big one was, and this is one I had

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Speaker 1: heard of because they made a film after this teleplay,

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Speaker 1: did he base it on that or the other way around?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he wrote the original script for Jack Palance's

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Speaker 1: Requiem for a Heavyweight. And I think that won a

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Speaker 1: Peabody Award. He was the first writer to ever win

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully it's coming through like how good Rod

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Speaker 2: Serling was and just how... He's considered, you know, synonymous

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Speaker 1: Handsome, too.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that he he he was really

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Speaker 2: In large part, racism, fascism through the McCarthy trials or hearings,

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Speaker 2: Not only were the networks like really worried about losing

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Speaker 2: the greatest shows of all time. It's called The Town

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Speaker 2: That Turned to Dust. And it was written about lynchings

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Speaker 2: make it more palatable for TV viewers. So right off

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of those was something he wrote a teleplay

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Speaker 2: Like Dirty Dancing 2.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So he told the press, he said, in retrospect,

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Speaker 1: that idea, I mean, that was just a quote to

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Speaker 1: The Time Element about a guy who had a recurring

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Speaker 1: a twist, which, of course, Twilight Zone would become known

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And he was used to writing 90 minute teleplays.

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Speaker 2: So he wanted an hour long slot. And CBS is like, no,

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Speaker 2: it essentially became Logan's run years later, where once you

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Speaker 2: And the happy place was the place where you were exterminated. Right.

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Speaker 1: And he said, well, I got this other thing. It's

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Speaker 1: He wrote 80 percent of those scripts and was an

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Speaker 1: when you're about to land and you can no longer

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Speaker 2: No, it's got a nice ring to it. I could

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Speaker 1: It's creepy sounding.

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Speaker 2: You just reminded me, I meant to propose, what if

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Speaker 2: we don't give away the twists of any of the episodes?

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Speaker 1: I kind of wondered that too. Yeah, let's do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because hopefully what happens is you'll go out and

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Speaker 1: be encouraged to watch some of these full episodes, which.

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Speaker 2: You can do. Man, I watched so many of them

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched one full one today that I'd seen before,

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Speaker 1: of there's a couple of fun lists like top 20

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Speaker 1: And I remember I went through that today and I

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Speaker 1: Well, I watched I wanted to watch one I had

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Speaker 1: And then something happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a great one. I think that was season

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Speaker 2: one as well. That might've been the, I don't remember

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Speaker 2: exactly which one that was, but that was a great one.

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Speaker 2: That's so just buckle up everybody. Cause I'm going to

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Speaker 2: say that was a great one about basically all the episodes.

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Speaker 2: because that is something about the Twilight Zone. It never

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Speaker 2: got bad. It never declined. It was great until the end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed. If you've ever seen an episode, then you

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Speaker 1: know that they open with, again, very handsome Rod Serling,

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Speaker 1: even though he was five foot four. Who cares? Packed

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Speaker 1: a lot of handsome in that body. Cool as a

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Speaker 1: cucumber coming out there. Looks so cool. And he gives

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Speaker 1: his opening spiel, which changed over the years. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: the same thing each season. But one of the seasons,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure which one this is. It goes a

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Speaker 1: little something like this. There is a fifth dimension beyond

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Speaker 1: that which is known to man. It is a dimension

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Speaker 1: as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It

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Speaker 1: is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science

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Speaker 1: and superstition. And it lies between the pit of man's

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Speaker 1: dimension of imagination. It is an area we call the

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Speaker 1: Twilight Zone.

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Speaker 2: Very nice. And I thought that was the one that

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Speaker 2: changes sometimes. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Each season it was slightly different, I think.

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Speaker 2: I did not know that. You mentioned he was handsome

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Speaker 1: own iHeartMedia has a music library where they have, I guess,

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Speaker 1: commissioned a bunch of musicians to make a bunch of

439
00:22:22,369 --> 00:22:25,730
Speaker 1: kind of generic, not to say bad, but generic music. Like, hey,

440
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:29,610
Speaker 1: something that sounds like something symphonic or something that sounds

441
00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:32,450
Speaker 1: like yacht rock. And then you pay a musician to

442
00:22:32,530 --> 00:22:37,430
Speaker 1: make this and you own it forever, basically, without having

443
00:22:37,450 --> 00:22:38,450
Speaker 1: to pay them any more money.

444
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 2: You pay them in exposure.

445
00:22:40,580 --> 00:22:42,900
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the reason I said Yacht Rock is we,

446
00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:44,980
Speaker 1: you know, Adam and I started the Three Putt Bogey

447
00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:48,540
Speaker 1: podcast and we wanted something Yacht Rocky and leaned on Ben.

448
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,540
Speaker 1: We were like, Ben, is there something that you can find?

449
00:22:50,619 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: Or like, he's a musician. Can you put something together?

450
00:22:52,820 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: He's a genius.

451
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,609
Speaker 1: And he sent us like 12 podcasts. could like total

452
00:22:57,660 --> 00:23:00,370
Speaker 1: yacht Rocky sounds from the I heart music library that

453
00:23:00,410 --> 00:23:03,550
Speaker 1: are just completely, you know, licensed for us to use.

454
00:23:04,410 --> 00:23:06,770
Speaker 1: And it's just an embarrassment of riches basically. And that's

455
00:23:06,790 --> 00:23:08,430
Speaker 1: what they had with the twilight zone when they took

456
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: a Romanian born musician and a Marius Constance, two things

457
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: from him, a strong number three, which is the do, do, do, do, do, do,

458
00:23:18,859 --> 00:23:20,100
Speaker 1: do on electric guitar.

459
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:20,619
Speaker 2: Yeah.

460
00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:25,310
Speaker 1: Which was electric guitar, by the way. And milieu number two,

461
00:23:25,490 --> 00:23:27,909
Speaker 1: which is that kind of, kind of chaotic ending. And

462
00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:30,169
Speaker 1: they smashed those together to great success.

463
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,620
Speaker 2: Yeah. With the bongos.

464
00:23:33,859 --> 00:23:34,780
Speaker 1: That was great stuff.

465
00:23:36,220 --> 00:23:38,020
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that was it. You put those back to

466
00:23:38,060 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 2: back and you've got the, the twilight zone theme. I,

467
00:23:42,340 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: I love that everything about this has a story, but still,

468
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,500
Speaker 2: if you go research twilight zone, it's actually hard to

469
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,770
Speaker 2: find because all anybody wants to talk about is the episodes. And,

470
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,500
Speaker 2: Understandably so. You could say that they're all great.

471
00:23:54,619 --> 00:23:56,419
Speaker 1: Yeah. Should we talk about some more? Or should we

472
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: take a break and then do that? Here, why don't

473
00:24:01,380 --> 00:24:03,270
Speaker 1: we talk about some more episodes and then we'll break

474
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,609
Speaker 1: before we talk about the modern stuff?

475
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you decided. I had a bulia for a second.

476
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:10,110
Speaker 2: All right.

477
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Speaker 1: So five seasons total is what we get with the

478
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:15,330
Speaker 1: original run of The Twilight Zone. Rod Serling wrote 92 episodes.

479
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Speaker 1: of the 156 episodes. And I'm gonna talk about one,

480
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick this one, Eye of the Beholder, because

481
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,810
Speaker 1: this was, I don't think I remember seeing this one,

482
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:27,109
Speaker 1: but I had heard about it and this was in

483
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Speaker 1: the list of top 20 great reveals or whatever. And

484
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:34,030
Speaker 1: I think this is one where I will reveal the twist.

485
00:24:35,369 --> 00:24:37,630
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I see in retrospect that saying we weren't

486
00:24:37,670 --> 00:24:40,379
Speaker 2: gonna reveal any more twists was black and white thinking

487
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,260
Speaker 2: and I need to be more, I need to go

488
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,260
Speaker 2: with the flow a little more.

489
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Speaker 1: No, you're doing fine. So this one will reveal the twist,

490
00:24:47,770 --> 00:24:49,950
Speaker 1: but if you don't want to hear it, just mute

491
00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:51,990
Speaker 1: it for a few seconds when I say the twist is.

492
00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:54,609
Speaker 2: Yeah, put your fingers in your ears, plug your ears

493
00:24:54,650 --> 00:24:57,890
Speaker 2: with your fingers and go as loud as you can.

494
00:24:58,490 --> 00:25:01,290
Speaker 1: Exactly. This one was in fact written by Rod Serling.

495
00:25:01,310 --> 00:25:04,389
Speaker 1: It was directed by Douglas Hayes. And this was a

496
00:25:04,609 --> 00:25:08,950
Speaker 1: woman that in the show, she was wrapped up in

497
00:25:09,810 --> 00:25:11,850
Speaker 1: bandages the whole time. So you couldn't see her face,

498
00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:14,619
Speaker 1: but The reason that she goes to the surgery that

499
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,180
Speaker 1: she's there for is because apparently she's so ugly that

500
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,969
Speaker 1: she has to have this plastic surgery to make her

501
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:22,609
Speaker 1: look like everyone else looks. And then, you know, you

502
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:24,330
Speaker 1: can't see her face through the whole thing. She's wrapped

503
00:25:24,369 --> 00:25:27,170
Speaker 1: in bandages. If you, you know, this is season two.

504
00:25:27,270 --> 00:25:29,950
Speaker 1: So by this time, episode six, everyone's like, I wonder

505
00:25:29,970 --> 00:25:32,969
Speaker 1: what's under those bandages. Can't wait for that twist. You

506
00:25:33,010 --> 00:25:35,020
Speaker 1: can't see the doctors because they have their surgical masks

507
00:25:35,060 --> 00:25:36,899
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And then the big twist in

508
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: the reveal when she takes those bandages off is that

509
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,050
Speaker 1: she's very beautiful by definition. just, you know, normal, regular

510
00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:46,410
Speaker 1: standards of the day. And then the doctors take their

511
00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:49,370
Speaker 1: stuff off and they have like pig noses and like

512
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:52,390
Speaker 1: horrible scars and stuff. So that's the big twist. Yeah.

513
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:53,530
Speaker 2: Beauty's relative.

514
00:25:54,170 --> 00:25:54,570
Speaker 1: Exactly.

515
00:25:55,230 --> 00:25:58,490
Speaker 2: I want to talk about a couple that are my favorites.

516
00:25:58,510 --> 00:25:59,010
Speaker 2: Do you mind?

517
00:25:59,790 --> 00:26:02,070
Speaker 1: I would love to hear about them. Okay.

518
00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: So I like some of the sweeter ones that aren't

519
00:26:06,420 --> 00:26:09,500
Speaker 2: necessarily terrifying. I love the terrifying ones, but There's some

520
00:26:09,580 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: sweet ones out there. There's one called The Changing of

521
00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: the Guards with Donald Pleasence as a boarding school teacher

522
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,330
Speaker 2: at the end of his years. So sweet. There's one

523
00:26:19,390 --> 00:26:22,929
Speaker 2: called The Fugitive where this alien plays with little kids

524
00:26:23,010 --> 00:26:27,389
Speaker 2: and ends up sacrificing his own freedom to save this

525
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: little girl whose leg isn't a brace.

526
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Speaker 1: I think I saw that one back in the day.

527
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Speaker 2: That is such a great one. That's got one of

528
00:26:33,670 --> 00:26:35,430
Speaker 2: the all-time great twists as well.

529
00:26:35,650 --> 00:26:35,850
Speaker 1: Yeah.

530
00:26:36,270 --> 00:26:39,030
Speaker 2: And then there's another one called Night Call. That is

531
00:26:39,109 --> 00:26:41,290
Speaker 2: probably the scariest one of all, I think.

532
00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:43,060
Speaker 1: I don't remember that one.

533
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:45,940
Speaker 2: It's an old woman who lives alone in her house.

534
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: She gets visited by her nurse once a day, but

535
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,859
Speaker 2: the nurse leaves at night. And then while she's trying

536
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: to sleep, she gets these calls from this really unsettling

537
00:26:54,859 --> 00:26:58,460
Speaker 2: voice that can barely talk. He just sounds messed up.

538
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 2: And she has no idea who this caller is. As

539
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,110
Speaker 2: night after night goes by, these calls just keep freaking

540
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,490
Speaker 2: her out more and more. And then the twist of

541
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:11,070
Speaker 2: the whole thing is, well, it's pretty great.

542
00:27:11,550 --> 00:27:13,070
Speaker 1: Well, you're going to have to tell me these twists

543
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:14,949
Speaker 1: because I don't remember the one that I saw and

544
00:27:15,050 --> 00:27:16,460
Speaker 1: I didn't see this one. Okay.

545
00:27:16,570 --> 00:27:18,510
Speaker 2: That one's great. And then the last one I want

546
00:27:18,530 --> 00:27:21,129
Speaker 2: to talk about is what I think is, well, it's

547
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:23,090
Speaker 2: my favorite. I'm not going to say it's the best one.

548
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:26,030
Speaker 2: It's called the after hours where this, this woman is

549
00:27:26,109 --> 00:27:29,530
Speaker 2: in a department store after hours, she gets trapped in

550
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:32,030
Speaker 2: there because she's trying to find a gold thimble and

551
00:27:32,109 --> 00:27:35,310
Speaker 2: stuff is just weird. Like things are getting very odd.

552
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:39,890
Speaker 2: There's this shop lady who is assisting her that keeps

553
00:27:40,150 --> 00:27:45,790
Speaker 2: disappearing and appearing. And it's just, something's off here. And the,

554
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: The twist is really great. All right.

555
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: I'm going to mention three kind of quickly because all

556
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,780
Speaker 1: three of these had Simpsons episodes. And two of the

557
00:27:56,820 --> 00:28:00,450
Speaker 1: three were used in the Twilight Zone movie in the 80s.

558
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: The first one, It's a Good Life from season three,

559
00:28:02,780 --> 00:28:06,290
Speaker 1: episode eight. It's about a little kid who has these

560
00:28:07,369 --> 00:28:09,650
Speaker 1: godlike powers. And if he gets angry, like you can't

561
00:28:09,690 --> 00:28:12,230
Speaker 1: upset this kid because he can turn he can basically

562
00:28:12,250 --> 00:28:16,770
Speaker 1: control things and make bad things happen to people. That

563
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:21,429
Speaker 1: was inspiration for the Bart Zone from the Treehouse of Horror,

564
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:23,510
Speaker 1: one of the Treehouse of Horrors. And that, again, was

565
00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:28,430
Speaker 1: redone very successfully, I think, in the movie. Living Doll

566
00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:33,830
Speaker 1: was a predated Chucky from Child's Play in that we

567
00:28:33,869 --> 00:28:36,869
Speaker 1: had Talking Tina, which was a demonic doll with the

568
00:28:36,910 --> 00:28:43,050
Speaker 1: great Telly Savalas. Simpsons Clown Without Pity was a Simpsons version. Mm-hmm.

569
00:28:43,470 --> 00:28:45,850
Speaker 1: And then Nightmare at 20,000 Feet is maybe the most

570
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:48,310
Speaker 1: classic episode of all time as far as being well-known.

571
00:28:49,170 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: That was all the way in season five. And that's

572
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: when William Shatner is on an airline plane. And I

573
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,180
Speaker 1: think he's coming home from visiting a sanitarium or something

574
00:29:00,220 --> 00:29:04,150
Speaker 1: because he was nervous. And he sees a monster on

575
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:08,290
Speaker 1: the wing. And that is also done in the movie

576
00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:12,570
Speaker 1: version with the great John Lithgow. And then later done

577
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:15,170
Speaker 1: in the most recent Twilight Zone with Adam Scott in

578
00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:16,420
Speaker 1: sort of a different way.

579
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,220
Speaker 2: So good.

580
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,500
Speaker 1: And was on The Simpsons. Terror at five and a

581
00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:22,220
Speaker 1: half feet in the case of The Simpsons.

582
00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: I don't remember that one. Do you?

583
00:29:24,220 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I'll have to go back and

584
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:29,810
Speaker 1: watch it. But it's funny to go back and watch,

585
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,490
Speaker 1: you know, watch bits from the original Nightmare at 20,000 feet.

586
00:29:33,650 --> 00:29:37,290
Speaker 1: And the monster on the plane is so corny looking now.

587
00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:41,660
Speaker 1: But it was absolutely terrifying. I'm sure, at the time.

588
00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's still unsettling in its way.

589
00:29:45,380 --> 00:29:47,709
Speaker 2: It is corny, but also you're like, good God, that

590
00:29:47,730 --> 00:29:48,650
Speaker 2: thing is awful.

591
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:51,510
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, if anything else, you'd be terrified

592
00:29:51,530 --> 00:29:53,940
Speaker 1: because you're like, There's a weird man in a funny

593
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: looking suit.

594
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: Right. He's trying to bring the plane down.

595
00:29:56,540 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

596
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,670
Speaker 2: So I think I would my the one I would

597
00:30:00,710 --> 00:30:03,290
Speaker 2: put up for the most famous one is to serve man.

598
00:30:04,390 --> 00:30:06,430
Speaker 2: Where the aliens come down and they have this book

599
00:30:06,610 --> 00:30:09,450
Speaker 2: called To Serve Man. And they're like really nice and

600
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:11,930
Speaker 2: kind to humans. And they want to take some humans

601
00:30:11,950 --> 00:30:13,550
Speaker 2: home with them. Do you know that one?

602
00:30:15,890 --> 00:30:17,890
Speaker 1: Can you give me more without giving it away?

603
00:30:18,410 --> 00:30:20,710
Speaker 2: I will. We're going to beep this out because here's

604
00:30:20,780 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: the twist, Chuck.

605
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: Wow.

606
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:29,820
Speaker 2: Pretty great, huh?

607
00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:33,300
Speaker 1: All right. Well, that's probably our longest beep in history.

608
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,260
Speaker 2: It's got to be.

609
00:30:34,790 --> 00:30:39,110
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one. And that sounds familiar. And that's, well,

610
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:41,890
Speaker 1: if I said what movie that probably inspired, it would

611
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:44,130
Speaker 1: probably give away the twist. So I won't. Okay.

612
00:30:44,350 --> 00:30:44,830
Speaker 2: Fair enough.

613
00:30:45,170 --> 00:30:47,590
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you during break, which we'll take right now.

614
00:30:51,690 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: Okay stuff you should.

615
00:30:57,860 --> 00:31:21,870
Speaker 1: Know All right. We're back, everybody, to talk about some

616
00:31:21,890 --> 00:31:25,550
Speaker 1: later iterations because the Twilight Zone OG was canceled in

617
00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:30,750
Speaker 1: 1964 after but five seasons. I don't think you said

618
00:31:30,810 --> 00:31:33,370
Speaker 1: that he I know you said the beginning he wanted

619
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:35,310
Speaker 1: an hour, but they said 30 minutes. But then they

620
00:31:35,370 --> 00:31:37,910
Speaker 1: did go to an hour during what season four? Yeah.

621
00:31:38,490 --> 00:31:41,910
Speaker 2: They had a mid-season show that they canceled, or they

622
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:44,290
Speaker 2: had a show that they canceled mid-season that was an

623
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:46,410
Speaker 2: hour long, and they're like, hey, you want your shot

624
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:49,969
Speaker 2: finally at the hour-long version of Twilight Zone? And by

625
00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: this time, Rod Serling was like, no, actually, a half

626
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,780
Speaker 2: hour is perfect. They're like, well, T.S. for you because

627
00:31:54,940 --> 00:31:58,780
Speaker 2: we need an hour-long version. So season four is typically

628
00:31:58,820 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: considered the least favorite of people because it is true.

629
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,390
Speaker 2: The Twilight Zone is a perfect half-hour show, but.

630
00:32:08,110 --> 00:32:09,650
Speaker 2: The season four episodes are still great.

631
00:32:10,410 --> 00:32:14,290
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed. But that's a totally interesting little footnote, I think,

632
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: because I didn't know that until you sent that along. Yeah.

633
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: And then they went back for season five. The last season,

634
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,100
Speaker 2: it went back to half hour again. So it was

635
00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: just season four.

636
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,230
Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy. He, like I said, you know, they got canceled.

637
00:32:28,670 --> 00:32:31,190
Speaker 1: It's not like Rod Serling was no good anymore. He

638
00:32:31,210 --> 00:32:34,340
Speaker 1: was still a hugely successful writer and went on and

639
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: did more work, of course. But he liked being Mr.

640
00:32:37,260 --> 00:32:39,260
Speaker 1: Twilight Zone, which is what people would call him when

641
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: they see him out, of course. Uh, and I think

642
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:45,610
Speaker 1: anything after that he did, uh, I think Rod's, uh,

643
00:32:45,660 --> 00:32:48,610
Speaker 1: Serling's night gallery was a show that came along that

644
00:32:48,650 --> 00:32:50,130
Speaker 1: he put his name on. I'm not sure how much

645
00:32:50,170 --> 00:32:51,370
Speaker 1: he had to do with it, but.

646
00:32:51,390 --> 00:32:53,370
Speaker 2: I liked night gallery. Yeah.

647
00:32:53,410 --> 00:32:55,310
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was pretty good, but it

648
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:57,860
Speaker 1: would probably wasn't as successful as the twilight zone and

649
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:02,050
Speaker 1: he never reached that kind of success again. Um, Speaking

650
00:33:02,090 --> 00:33:04,330
Speaker 1: of twists, though, even though Planet of the Apes, the movie,

651
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:07,330
Speaker 1: was based on a French novel, he did write that

652
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:10,290
Speaker 1: original script, that first script for the first Planet of

653
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:10,910
Speaker 1: the Apes movie.

654
00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:14,490
Speaker 2: Yeah. The French novel was called Le Planet of the Apes.

655
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:16,340
Speaker 1: That's right.

656
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,060
Speaker 2: He also taught at Ithaca College. I did not see

657
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: their mascot. So let's just say the Fighting Ignatiuses.

658
00:33:24,260 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

659
00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:29,050
Speaker 2: I think he taught English or writing or something, probably writing.

660
00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:32,420
Speaker 2: And he's still revered. Quite a bit today. There's a

661
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: cool statue of him there. Oh, I bet.

662
00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:40,010
Speaker 1: Very sadly, he was a lifelong, like, three to four

663
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:43,310
Speaker 1: pack a day. By the way, Ithaca College Bombers, go Bombers.

664
00:33:44,030 --> 00:33:45,110
Speaker 2: Oh, OK. Go Bombers.

665
00:33:45,530 --> 00:33:48,870
Speaker 1: Yeah. That sounded so Midwest. Go Bombers.

666
00:33:49,510 --> 00:33:50,790
Speaker 2: Sorry about that.

667
00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:54,580
Speaker 1: He smoked three to four packs of cigarettes a day,

668
00:33:54,620 --> 00:33:56,580
Speaker 1: which is just a crazy amount of cigarettes.

669
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:57,500
Speaker 2: Yeah.

670
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: So unsurprisingly, he died at 50 years old after complications

671
00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:06,790
Speaker 1: from heart surgery. This was in 1975. And, you know,

672
00:34:06,970 --> 00:34:09,690
Speaker 1: if you do the math, he could have, if he

673
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:12,549
Speaker 1: hadn't have smoked and lived to be 80, like he

674
00:34:12,570 --> 00:34:16,870
Speaker 1: would have been alive in 2005 and seen all these

675
00:34:17,090 --> 00:34:19,460
Speaker 1: reboots come along and maybe perhaps have been a part

676
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:19,940
Speaker 1: of some of these.

677
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,580
Speaker 2: Yeah. And probably have done some other really great stuff too,

678
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, so you said there was rebooted

679
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: three times and then there was the movie. I was like,

680
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,710
Speaker 2: so the really, probably the best reboot was from 1985

681
00:34:35,710 --> 00:34:39,130
Speaker 2: to 1987. It had three seasons and it had a

682
00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:41,250
Speaker 2: lot of really good episodes in them. And I was

683
00:34:41,350 --> 00:34:43,710
Speaker 2: going through the episodes and I'm like, where's the Kick

684
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:46,330
Speaker 2: the Can one? Because Kick the Can is one of

685
00:34:46,390 --> 00:34:51,169
Speaker 2: the original Twilight Zone episodes where a group of rest home,

686
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,700
Speaker 2: Residents are bored and they want to like keep, you know,

687
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: living life. So they go play a game of kick

688
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,980
Speaker 2: the can and they have to get around like this

689
00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: administrator or nurse or whatever who just wants them to

690
00:35:03,469 --> 00:35:06,790
Speaker 2: act their age and relax and rest. It's really great.

691
00:35:07,790 --> 00:35:10,090
Speaker 2: And I was like, I thought that I had seen

692
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:15,230
Speaker 2: the reboot version in 1985. Couldn't find it. That's the

693
00:35:15,310 --> 00:35:17,939
Speaker 2: one that Steven Spielberg directed in the movie.

694
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: Did you see the movie?

695
00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have.

696
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,290
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, I don't know why. I mean, I guess

697
00:35:23,550 --> 00:35:25,930
Speaker 1: the why was because I liked watching the reruns. So

698
00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:29,100
Speaker 1: when The Twilight Zone, the movie, came out in 1983,

699
00:35:29,090 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: I was 12. And, oh, buddy, I ate it up.

700
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:35,290
Speaker 1: I saw it at least twice in the theater.

701
00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:35,910
Speaker 2: Wow.

702
00:35:36,610 --> 00:35:39,089
Speaker 1: It was, you know, each direct, Steven Spielberg directed that one.

703
00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:43,569
Speaker 1: Joe Dante directed one. John Landis directed the one that

704
00:35:43,590 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: we'll talk about here in a second. And George Miller,

705
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,339
Speaker 1: the great George Miller. And then there was that great

706
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,130
Speaker 1: opening bit with Dan Aykroyd. I remember that it was

707
00:35:52,170 --> 00:35:56,670
Speaker 1: like a little intro part with Dan Aykroyd. And oh, God,

708
00:35:56,710 --> 00:36:00,170
Speaker 1: I'm blanking on who his carmate, his passenger was. I

709
00:36:01,690 --> 00:36:04,230
Speaker 1: can't remember. Anyway, it's just a little, you know, a

710
00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:06,350
Speaker 1: little teaser at the beginning. And then you hear the

711
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:09,790
Speaker 1: Twilight Zone music come in and then you get the

712
00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:12,859
Speaker 1: four films. And like I said, it's a good life

713
00:36:12,930 --> 00:36:15,540
Speaker 1: about the kid who can control things. That was remade.

714
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,890
Speaker 1: Nightmare on 20,000 Feet was remade. Um, I guess all

715
00:36:18,930 --> 00:36:21,330
Speaker 1: of them were, were remakes now that I think about it, uh,

716
00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:24,430
Speaker 1: except for maybe the Vic Morrow. And that's, like I said,

717
00:36:24,469 --> 00:36:27,529
Speaker 1: seemed to be based on just, unless somebody knows it

718
00:36:27,570 --> 00:36:29,830
Speaker 1: was a direct remake, it seemed to be based on, uh,

719
00:36:29,989 --> 00:36:32,450
Speaker 1: the ideas of like racist and war and stuff like that.

720
00:36:32,850 --> 00:36:33,110
Speaker 2: Yeah.

721
00:36:33,570 --> 00:36:35,069
Speaker 1: And that had a very tragic ending, right?

722
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, it actually sunk the, the, um, movie, the,

723
00:36:41,219 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: it got such bad press, um, during production, uh, where

724
00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:47,270
Speaker 2: they were filming a scene where Vic Morrow is, um,

725
00:36:47,780 --> 00:36:50,900
Speaker 2: I think trying to help two little Vietnamese girls escape,

726
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,100
Speaker 2: they're going through a rice paddy and there's a helicopter

727
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:58,060
Speaker 2: flying over them. And the helicopter, I think, struck a wire.

728
00:36:58,739 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: It was a real helicopter really, you know, moving with

729
00:37:01,660 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: its rotors in the soundstage. It struck a wire and

730
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:10,770
Speaker 2: the rotors, they killed Vic Morrow and the two girls

731
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:15,790
Speaker 2: like immediately. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like and obviously that

732
00:37:15,830 --> 00:37:19,570
Speaker 2: was big news and everybody was so traumatized by it.

733
00:37:19,630 --> 00:37:23,310
Speaker 2: I saw that George Miller, he did the Max trilogy,

734
00:37:23,350 --> 00:37:24,250
Speaker 2: the original three.

735
00:37:24,270 --> 00:37:24,830
Speaker 1: Yeah.

736
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:27,350
Speaker 2: He was like he wasn't on set. He had nothing

737
00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:30,950
Speaker 2: to do with that that segment, but just being associated

738
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:34,660
Speaker 2: with that movie. like stirred him so much that he

739
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know about some of the stunts

740
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,340
Speaker 2: that I've been having my actors do. Like, I think

741
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,060
Speaker 2: he kind of, it felt like somebody walked over his grave,

742
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:45,100
Speaker 2: like what he'd been able to get away with without

743
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,850
Speaker 2: anybody getting hurt or killed. And so he went on

744
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:49,150
Speaker 2: to co-write Babe.

745
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:53,410
Speaker 1: Yeah. And he did the most recent Mad Max 2,

746
00:37:53,410 --> 00:37:53,710
Speaker 1: by the way.

747
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:54,209
Speaker 2: Oh, did he?

748
00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:54,529
Speaker 1: Yeah.

749
00:37:54,610 --> 00:37:57,410
Speaker 2: But he did Babe. And I think that's probably the pinnacle.

750
00:37:57,430 --> 00:38:00,069
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that is a little fun fact, if you

751
00:38:00,110 --> 00:38:02,029
Speaker 1: didn't know that, that the same guy who did Mad

752
00:38:02,070 --> 00:38:04,379
Speaker 1: Max did Babe Pig. Did he pig in the city

753
00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:04,740
Speaker 1: or the original?

754
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: He did both.

755
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: Yep. Okay, that's right. Yeah, a very just tragic thing.

756
00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: Like you said, huge lawsuits. And I think we talked

757
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,620
Speaker 1: about that before in a movie, actually, in like a

758
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,980
Speaker 1: top 10 list in an episode.

759
00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember what. Maybe special effects?

760
00:38:18,980 --> 00:38:21,899
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I believe I told you that Vic Morrow

761
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,859
Speaker 1: was Jennifer Jason Leigh's father, and you did not know

762
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,419
Speaker 1: that at the time.

763
00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: That is so funny because I just found out today

764
00:38:27,580 --> 00:38:30,980
Speaker 2: that Vic Maldo is Jennifer Jason Lee's father. So it

765
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: happened again.

766
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: All right. So the 85 to 87 you feel like

767
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:37,930
Speaker 1: is the most successful TV reboot. There was also one

768
00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:41,830
Speaker 1: in 2002 where Forrest Whitaker was the host, which I

769
00:38:41,850 --> 00:38:44,690
Speaker 1: think was a great pick. I love Forrest Whitaker. And

770
00:38:44,770 --> 00:38:47,689
Speaker 1: this had, you know, some big, big stars. I don't

771
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:51,069
Speaker 1: think it was. I didn't see any of these, but

772
00:38:51,110 --> 00:38:54,830
Speaker 1: they did remake some of these, including a fun. update

773
00:38:55,210 --> 00:38:57,910
Speaker 1: on It's a Good Life, where it's called It's Still

774
00:38:57,930 --> 00:39:00,850
Speaker 1: a Good Life. And they had the kid, Bill Mummy,

775
00:39:00,890 --> 00:39:04,049
Speaker 1: the kid who played the kid from the beginning, was

776
00:39:04,090 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: a grownup terrorizing a town.

777
00:39:06,739 --> 00:39:10,180
Speaker 2: Yeah. But now his daughter was around and she might

778
00:39:10,219 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: be even worse than him. Who knows? Only Forrest Whitaker knows.

779
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: We should say in 2002, that episode starred Cloris Leachman

780
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,580
Speaker 1: and she was in, I think, more than one episode

781
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,259
Speaker 1: of the original run.

782
00:39:20,830 --> 00:39:22,950
Speaker 2: She was in the original It's a Good Life. She

783
00:39:22,969 --> 00:39:26,980
Speaker 2: was Billy Mummy's mom. oh billy mummy's mommy.

784
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right uh and then they also updated the

785
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,100
Speaker 1: maple street one right yeah they.

786
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,580
Speaker 2: Did kind of like a post 9-11 one where instead

787
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,500
Speaker 2: of aliens the neighbors turn on each other thinking that

788
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,570
Speaker 2: they're terrorists so i think probably that was like a

789
00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:42,890
Speaker 2: little on the nose for 2002 i'm not sure yeah

790
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:46,390
Speaker 2: maybe But the one that I think most people who

791
00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:48,569
Speaker 2: listen to us are probably familiar with is the one

792
00:39:48,590 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: that just came out a couple of years ago that

793
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: Jordan Peele produced that were great. But Jordan Peele had

794
00:39:54,180 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: the great misfortune of releasing this Twilight Zone episode at

795
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: a time when Black Mirror was at its apex. And

796
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: there was just nothing he could do to compete with

797
00:40:05,219 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: Black Mirror. Like you can't. Most people are like Black

798
00:40:07,860 --> 00:40:12,299
Speaker 2: Mirror is the true successor of Twilight Zone. Nobody's done

799
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:17,140
Speaker 2: it better since. And it's probably true. Again, if you

800
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,350
Speaker 2: just saw Jordan Jordan Peele's Twilight Zone, it's like it's

801
00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:22,629
Speaker 2: great on its own for sure.

802
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:25,690
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have not seen those. I did see the

803
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:28,390
Speaker 1: Adam Scott episode because I'm just a big Adam Scott

804
00:40:28,410 --> 00:40:30,770
Speaker 1: fan and I'm a big fan of that story Nightmare

805
00:40:31,150 --> 00:40:34,210
Speaker 1: this time at 30,000 feet. It's a good one. And

806
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:35,969
Speaker 1: I don't he didn't see a monster on that one,

807
00:40:36,010 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: does he?

808
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:40,549
Speaker 2: No, he's listening to a podcast appropriately enough. Oh, yeah, yeah.

809
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:40,969
Speaker 1: That's right.

810
00:40:41,050 --> 00:40:43,970
Speaker 2: And the podcast, it turns out, is about a plane crash.

811
00:40:44,170 --> 00:40:46,450
Speaker 2: And then it turns out further that it's about the

812
00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:50,089
Speaker 2: crash of the plane that he's on. Yes. So he

813
00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: spends the whole thing trying to convince everybody rather than

814
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,260
Speaker 2: there's a monster on the plane. instead that this plane

815
00:40:55,300 --> 00:41:00,549
Speaker 2: is going to crash. And the twist is even better,

816
00:41:00,660 --> 00:41:04,509
Speaker 2: I think, than the original William Shatner version, Nightmare at

817
00:41:04,510 --> 00:41:05,830
Speaker 2: 20,000 Feet. It's a great twist.

818
00:41:06,070 --> 00:41:08,450
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I do remember the twist. I need to

819
00:41:08,469 --> 00:41:09,980
Speaker 1: check more of it out, but I was into Black

820
00:41:10,020 --> 00:41:12,690
Speaker 1: Mirror and Maybe that's why I didn't watch Twilight Zone

821
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:14,690
Speaker 1: because there's maybe you can only watch so much of

822
00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:16,609
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But Black Mirror was truly great

823
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:18,260
Speaker 1: and bad timing for Jordan Peele.

824
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,660
Speaker 2: It really was. And now that Black Mirror's kind of

825
00:41:21,260 --> 00:41:25,300
Speaker 2: gone away, you could, especially if you haven't seen them before,

826
00:41:25,380 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: you could probably enjoy them a little more than you

827
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,219
Speaker 2: could have at the time. It was really weird. Like

828
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,230
Speaker 2: you just couldn't enjoy both on their own. Like it

829
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:36,310
Speaker 2: was just, you know, you just couldn't give it a try.

830
00:41:36,430 --> 00:41:41,629
Speaker 2: You couldn't face it. I have one more thing.

831
00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:42,830
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear it.

832
00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:47,030
Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed in Twilight Zone episodes, the actors

833
00:41:47,090 --> 00:41:48,490
Speaker 2: stand really close together?

834
00:41:49,350 --> 00:41:49,850
Speaker 1: Are we doing this?

835
00:41:50,350 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this part. Okay, because it stood out

836
00:41:52,980 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: to me. So if it stood out to me, it

837
00:41:54,860 --> 00:41:56,419
Speaker 2: stood out to other people. Do you mind?

838
00:41:57,300 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: Sure. I just wonder if you didn't see any TV

839
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: pre like 1995.

840
00:42:03,340 --> 00:42:06,420
Speaker 2: I don't know why it stands out to me in

841
00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:10,540
Speaker 2: Twilight Zone. But yes, I do realize that it is common,

842
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,020
Speaker 2: especially in like the 50s. But in the Twilight Zone,

843
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,690
Speaker 2: maybe it's because it's creepy. The plot lines are creepy.

844
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:19,569
Speaker 2: So people standing close together is creepier than it would

845
00:42:19,610 --> 00:42:22,549
Speaker 2: be in like, say, an episode of General Hospital from

846
00:42:22,590 --> 00:42:23,130
Speaker 2: the 50s.

847
00:42:23,550 --> 00:42:25,209
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to yuck your yum. I'm kidding.

848
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:26,310
Speaker 1: You go ahead and tell everybody.

849
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:29,190
Speaker 2: Thanks. Did you know already why the actors stand so

850
00:42:29,230 --> 00:42:31,370
Speaker 2: close together, not just on the Twilight Zone, but back

851
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:31,850
Speaker 2: in the day?

852
00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:32,529
Speaker 1: I did.

853
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: Okay, it's because the aspect ratio of a TV at

854
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: the time was 4 to 3, which is almost a

855
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,980
Speaker 2: perfect square. Nothing like the 16 to 9 we have today,

856
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: which allows for a lot more peripheral vision. So if

857
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,020
Speaker 2: you wanted a close-up of not one, but more than

858
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: one character, they had to stand physically close together to

859
00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:54,049
Speaker 2: get in the frame.

860
00:42:54,070 --> 00:42:55,140
Speaker 1: That's right.

861
00:42:55,570 --> 00:42:56,010
Speaker 2: There you go.

862
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,660
Speaker 1: Amazing. The more you know.

863
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,469
Speaker 2: Just a little bonus for those of us who weren't

864
00:43:00,530 --> 00:43:02,060
Speaker 2: in the film industry back in the 50s.

865
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,660
Speaker 1: Hey, you know I wasn't.

866
00:43:07,140 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: That's it for Twilight Zone. I think we could sit

867
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,140
Speaker 2: here for another hour and just talk about our favorite episodes.

868
00:43:11,180 --> 00:43:13,620
Speaker 2: But we will leave it to you to just go

869
00:43:14,140 --> 00:43:16,980
Speaker 2: watch the Twilight Zone. It really is a gift to

870
00:43:17,060 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 2: humanity that Rod Serling created. And while you go do that,

871
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: we're going to do listener mail.

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Speaker 1: To set up this listener mail, I'm going to very

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Speaker 1: quickly retell the story because it won't make sense if

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Speaker 1: you haven't heard this kind of obscure reference. When I

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Speaker 1: worked at JJ's Barbecue in Stone Mountain, Georgia in the

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Speaker 1: 1980s as a 12-year-old. Still sounds weird to say. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had a job as a busboy as a 12-year-old.

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Speaker 2: Not when you say Stone Mountain, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Right. And one time there was a big pot of

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Speaker 1: Brunswick stew in the walk-in. I was in there getting

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Speaker 1: some stuff with this guy, Keith, who worked there. And

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Speaker 1: he said, hey, watch this. And Keith put his entire

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Speaker 1: shooed foot and jeaned leg into the Brunswick stew and

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Speaker 1: pulled it back out. And that stew was later heated

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Speaker 1: up and served to diners.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: So that's the setting. A depraved situation.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys.

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Speaker 1: My best friend Dave and I, who also work together,

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Speaker 1: both avid listeners of Stuff You Should Know, have been

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Speaker 1: since 2008. Each week, one of us makes lunch for

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Speaker 1: the entire week, and there's usually a theme. And for

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Speaker 1: this week's lunch, I made Brunswick stew. And in honor

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Speaker 1: of Chuck's foot in the Brunswick stew story on how

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Speaker 1: restaurant health inspections work. Oh, there you go. Mm-hmm. I

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Speaker 1: stuck my bare foot into a container of the stew.

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Speaker 1: I took a video and shared it with Dave so

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Speaker 1: he knew what he was getting into. He loved the

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Speaker 1: video and still loved the stew. I can assure you

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Speaker 1: that my foot was very, very clean. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: the inspiration and all the great stories over the years.

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Speaker 1: If you choose to read this one on the air,

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Speaker 1: of course, you can use my name. That is Jason

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Speaker 1: in Salt Lake. So, Jason, that's gross. Still not quite

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Speaker 1: as gross, I think, as a shooed And jeaned, blue

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Speaker 1: jeaned foot and ankle.

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Speaker 2: No. No, that's the sanitized version, but still pretty gross.

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Speaker 1: Agreed. Yeah. I mean, something's grosser in a way.

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Speaker 2: Is it your human skin? Yeah. The foot on Sue contact.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The hottest contact as we all know.

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Speaker 2: Right. That does. It is gross in its own.

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Speaker 1: Way for sure. Anyway, never thought that that would inspire

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Speaker 1: such an act, but it's pretty fun to read that mail.

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Speaker 2: That was from Jason?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Jason Salt Lake, do not eat his offerings, people.

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Speaker 2: No, for sure. Thanks a lot, Jason. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 2: to us for so long, too. We appreciate that. And

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Speaker 2: if you want to be like Jason and get in

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Speaker 2: touch with us, you can do that by sending an

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Speaker 2: email to stuffpodcasts at iheartradio.com.

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Speaker 1: Stuff You Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For

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