Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, Hey everybody.
Speaker 3: It is Tuesday, June twenty fifth, twenty twenty four. Welcome
Speaker 3: to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast Work It's Hot Man,
Speaker 3: Me and your man named g Marcus Grand joined by
Speaker 3: Michael f. Florio and La Kwan Jones. We're all back together.
Speaker 3: It feels like it's been a while since we've been.
Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of yeah, I've kind of been on a
Speaker 4: mini vacation I'm missing.
Speaker 2: I mean, man, you know, I mean Florida was gone.
Speaker 2: The lakwan you were. How is Tampa by the way?
Speaker 4: Was It was hot? It was hot and sticky and
Speaker 4: like it rained for like thirty minutes, Like I forgot
Speaker 4: that happens in Florida. And then you put your loud
Speaker 4: shirt on and it's stuck to your body now and
Speaker 4: it's like I did not pack appropriately. Let's just say that.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: When when my family is like, how could you don't
Speaker 1: want to come visit certainly, and I'm like, nah, I'll
Speaker 1: come in like the winter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's there's.
Speaker 3: Just someplace is in the country where like there's certain
Speaker 3: times a year you just don't want to go. I mean,
Speaker 3: my best friend lives in Arizona, and I will go
Speaker 3: out there for spring training, and like I'm like, I
Speaker 3: can visit you from like.
Speaker 2: October to March. That's it.
Speaker 3: Anything after after that then you got to come to
Speaker 3: Los Angeles to see me.
Speaker 2: Otherwise we're probably just not gonna hang out. That's all
Speaker 2: there is.
Speaker 1: It's even hot here. I mean it's hot.
Speaker 3: It's hot everywhere, but like la hot, like it's been
Speaker 3: like you know, like it's it's fine. Like where I am,
Speaker 3: it's like eighty degrees, like it's it's hotter than it
Speaker 3: has been, but it's not like hot, like.
Speaker 2: I can deal with this. It's fine. We're just some
Speaker 2: hype trainer smoke screen.
Speaker 3: We're also going to talk about some crowded wide receiver
Speaker 3: rooms and that sort of how we are approaching the
Speaker 3: especially in redrafts if you like best ball, it's a
Speaker 3: little bit different, but in redrafts, which redraft season is
Speaker 3: coming around, we can talk about how we sort of
Speaker 3: handle that. So let's dive in though. First some hype
Speaker 3: train or smoke screen found three stories that you know,
Speaker 3: seems sort of interesting, so we'll kind of get some
Speaker 3: thoughts on these.
Speaker 2: Here. First reports out of Las veg Vegas.
Speaker 3: Uh, this is per Jeremy Fowler at ESPN that h
Speaker 3: Aidan O'Connell quote probably has the slight edge over Gardner
Speaker 3: Minshew in terms of the starting quarterback job for the
Speaker 3: Raiders of Florio. Hype trainer smoke screen on Aidan O'Connell
Speaker 3: and does this make you more or less likely to
Speaker 3: want to draft a Raiders pass catcher?
Speaker 1: Less likely one thousand percent. I don't. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: hype train. I guess I expect Gardner Minshew to win
Speaker 1: the job, but I do think this will be a
Speaker 1: camp battle. I think they're gonna give AOC every opportunity
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I look at his numbers.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at his game lot first. I will fully
Speaker 1: admit my brain just completely forgot that the Aidan O'Connell
Speaker 1: Raiders dropped sixty three points against the Chargers last year. Uh,
Speaker 1: that one is wild. But besides, even.
Speaker 2: In that game, I was one of Brandon Staley fired
Speaker 2: didn't last. Yes, for sure, he.
Speaker 1: Didn't throw for two fifty in that game. He had
Speaker 1: one career game with over two hundred and fifty yards.
Speaker 1: So I think this is a bad thing for Raiders
Speaker 1: pass catchers. I think that Minshew at least has a
Speaker 1: little bit more upside, even though I don't think there's
Speaker 1: much there. I'm fading Devonte Adams hard. And I know
Speaker 1: it might sound crazy, like he did show signs of
Speaker 1: decline last year. His metrics all kind of were lower
Speaker 1: than what they have been, and he had his normal volume.
Speaker 1: He had one hundred and eighty targets and he still
Speaker 1: just managed to be a low end wide receiver one.
Speaker 1: So I think you're kind of drafting him at his ceiling.
Speaker 1: The falloff might be happening, and I'd rather be a
Speaker 1: year early than a year late in fading a guy
Speaker 1: who still goes in the second round. So yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: let other people take him.
Speaker 2: I mean, lakwan for you if you are drafting a Raider,
Speaker 2: if you are still in on Devonte Adams or Jacobe
Speaker 2: Myers or whomever else, would you prefer AOC or do
Speaker 2: you want the stash at quarterback?
Speaker 4: Give me the stat man Minshew made it. I think
Speaker 4: you get a little bit more out of him and
Speaker 4: where you can stretch the field. He also gives you
Speaker 4: the ability to extend the plays because he's a sneaky
Speaker 4: rusher when the pocket closes down on him. So honestly,
Speaker 4: he might pop up and put put up like three
Speaker 4: hundred yards in a couple of games. He had three
Speaker 4: last season. And then we talk about O'Connell last season
Speaker 4: where he was this closed to getting three hundred yards.
Speaker 4: He was at two ninety nine. But you know, I
Speaker 4: think he's gonna be very limited in this offense of
Speaker 4: how it plays. I mean, you appreciate, you know, DeVante
Speaker 4: Adams coming out saying like he co signs it, you
Speaker 4: know O'Connell that he likes him, and like you kind
Speaker 4: of want to keep that chemistry between your best player
Speaker 4: in the quarterback that he kind of believes can step up.
Speaker 4: But honestly, I'm going to piggyback off that I think
Speaker 4: Minshew wins the job. Honestly, at some point, I.
Speaker 2: Think Minshew wins the job too.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think we all sort of
Speaker 3: had that expectation when they brought him in that they
Speaker 3: were gonna give him at least every opportunity for the
Speaker 3: starting job.
Speaker 2: Now, somehow O'Connell wows.
Speaker 3: Them in training camp, or Minshew's really really bad, then
Speaker 3: maybe things change. But I'm looking and now, mind you
Speaker 3: just keep in mind who the other Raider quarterbacks were.
Speaker 3: Last year it was you know, Jimmy Garoppolo for a
Speaker 3: handful of games. It was Brian Hoyer who got a
Speaker 3: start for one game.
Speaker 2: But last year with Aidan O'Connell, Adam's averaged about one
Speaker 2: more reception per game. He averaged about three more targets
Speaker 2: per game. Yardage was about the same.
Speaker 3: And maybe and maybe that's the issue, right And he
Speaker 3: had more targets, he had more yard he had more catches,
Speaker 3: but he averaged about the same number of yards, about
Speaker 3: the same number of touchdowns. So maybe maybe the idea
Speaker 3: is that with Minshew there's a little bit of a
Speaker 3: higher ceiling there. Yeah, I don't know, but I'm with
Speaker 3: you Floria on that. I have not so far in
Speaker 3: Bestball drafted a lot of Devonte Adams. There are just
Speaker 3: too many question marks in Las Vegas for me right now.
Speaker 3: The one thing I hold on to is that he
Speaker 3: is still the number one target there and so I
Speaker 3: think that volume sort of keeps him afloat. But where
Speaker 3: you have to draft him right now in Bestball drafts,
Speaker 3: which is probably the early second round, there are other
Speaker 3: guys that I would feel a lot better about in
Speaker 3: that situation. I just I you know, I love I
Speaker 3: love Davonta, and I think it's funny too. Lakwan You
Speaker 3: talk about him saying sort of the right things. He's
Speaker 3: been very diplomatic about his time in Vegas, considering he
Speaker 3: went there to partner up with his friend and former
Speaker 3: college quarterback Derek Carr, and then a year into it,
Speaker 3: Car gets shipped out, and now DeVante is sort of
Speaker 3: like he sort of left the drift, just kind of
Speaker 3: like floating around on his own there in Vegas.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I mean, to his credit, he said
Speaker 2: all the right things. Right.
Speaker 3: He could be out here posting cryptics social media messages, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, he could be out here, like, you know,
Speaker 3: dropping the enemy, speaks softly and carries a knife.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: He could have been doing all of that traditional right,
Speaker 3: But he has it. So I mean, I guess, you know,
Speaker 3: let's let's give him kudos for something like that. In Pittsburgh,
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson quote has clearly been the better quarterback during
Speaker 3: these Steelers off season. In fact, the Lakwani reports that
Speaker 3: Justin Fields has not looked good at all. I still
Speaker 3: think there's something left in the tank for Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3: Hype trainer smoke screen that he's one is going to
Speaker 3: be the starting quarterback, but also that maybe there's still
Speaker 3: something left.
Speaker 4: Hype train man, because if you're looking for somebody that
Speaker 4: can open up this offense, stretch the field, and this
Speaker 4: guy still has the deep ball. Russell the last three
Speaker 4: seasons Man twenty one touchdowns, only five interceptions. This is
Speaker 4: something that you put in the notion of an offense
Speaker 4: that's dying and desperately need, you know, George Pickens to
Speaker 4: be unlocked. That's his affho to be able to use
Speaker 4: him at his peak ability of being a guy that
Speaker 4: you can target downfield, justin fields, he struggled the last
Speaker 4: three seasons. When it comes to that deep ball. He's
Speaker 4: not able to stretch the field. He's cool and fun
Speaker 4: to look at, you know, when he's running out of
Speaker 4: the pocket and getting a sixty yard run, but when
Speaker 4: it comes to actual development quarterback decision making, it doesn't
Speaker 4: look good. The dude has twelve touchdowns and ten interceptions
Speaker 4: in the last three three seasons. On deep passes, Will
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson has doubled the touchdowns and less the interception.
Speaker 4: So obviously Russell Wilson being the veteran that he is.
Speaker 4: I think he still has it in the tank. It
Speaker 4: was just a bad fit in Denver.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think everything in Denver was bad. I mean,
Speaker 3: the bi wide receiver room was not great. Obviously the
Speaker 3: fit was Sean Payton.
Speaker 2: Well, first, you know, Nathaniel Hackett situation was not great,
Speaker 2: and then the fit was Sean Page.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they kind of started off so super toxic.
Speaker 2: It was obviously a bad one. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Peyton came in was basically like, I don't really want
Speaker 3: you as my quarterback, and that sort of was apparent.
Speaker 2: So he just was not a good situation.
Speaker 4: You don't get your own office.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but so I'll ask you if Floreal
Speaker 3: similar to when I asked the Kwan, I think I
Speaker 3: know the answer to this. But you know, if you
Speaker 3: are out there and you're drafting George Pickens, if you're
Speaker 3: drafting Pat Fryarmouth, do you prefer Russ to Justin Fields
Speaker 3: in those situations?
Speaker 1: I think you do, But I still personally want to
Speaker 1: see Justin fields out there. I think for fantasy purposes,
Speaker 1: Justin Fields could be top five on the Steelers team,
Speaker 1: Whereas I think Russell Wilson is a low NQB two.
Speaker 1: He elevates the pass catchers more because he's more accurate.
Speaker 1: But I think we're at the point with Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: where he's good enough to lose with because I know,
Speaker 1: the numbers kind of look pretty and it looks like
Speaker 1: he had a bounce back year last year, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't run at all anymore. He's but he still takes
Speaker 1: sacks at an extremely high rate, which is drive killers.
Speaker 1: Like he might not have the interceptions, but those sacks
Speaker 1: that he's taking are ending drives the same exact way.
Speaker 1: So Russell Wilson, I think it, and it's no surprise
Speaker 1: to me at all that he's the one that looks
Speaker 1: better in camp because on structure he is one hundred
Speaker 1: percent the better quarterback than Justin Fields. But the game
Speaker 1: isn't played on structure the whole time, so when things
Speaker 1: start to break down, I think Justin Fields is the
Speaker 1: better improviser. I think Justin Fields is the better big
Speaker 1: play threat, and I think Justin Fields fits the Steelers
Speaker 1: a little bit better in the sense that they are
Speaker 1: a team that wants to control the clock and let
Speaker 1: their defense do a lot of its damage. So I
Speaker 1: could see Justin Fields being a better fit potentially for
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, although I do expect Russell Wilson to get
Speaker 1: the first crack, especially early in the year when it's
Speaker 1: good weather and stuff like that. I do think Wilson
Speaker 1: will look the part a little bit better, and he's
Speaker 1: better for the pass catchers, like I said, because he's
Speaker 1: more accurate. But I'm not gonna quit Justin Fields because
Speaker 1: we know what he can be for fantasy purposes and
Speaker 1: it is so much better than Russell Wilson. And if
Speaker 1: you're the Steelers and you're sitting somewhere around five hundred
Speaker 1: and in the middle of the year, I do think
Speaker 1: you consider making a change because I think, come bad
Speaker 1: weather at the end of the year, Justin Fields is
Speaker 1: better to win with than Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: For this, yeah, I don't even know where to go.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think for fantasy obviously, we do like
Speaker 2: Justin Fields because he's gonna run with the football and
Speaker 2: that's what we love. As you mentioned, Russ doesn't run.
Speaker 3: The deep ball has not been as effective the last
Speaker 3: few years as it has been in the past. It
Speaker 3: just you know, if the reports are true, and there's
Speaker 3: no reason to believe they aren't Fields has not looked
Speaker 3: good so far. Maybe things happen when they get to
Speaker 3: official training camp, but it has been sort of rough
Speaker 3: for him so far this summer. Last one here, the
Speaker 3: Browns reportedly planning to open the season with Jerry Judy
Speaker 3: in the slot and Amari Cooper and Cedric Tillman out wide.
Speaker 2: So Forida, I mean high trender smokes me on this trio,
Speaker 2: and what does that mean for Elijah Moore?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Man, we're pouring one out for
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore.
Speaker 2: I'm I am.
Speaker 1: Somewhere in the middle on this one. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think Elijah Moore is gonna completely vanish and not get
Speaker 1: his snaps anymore. I think Amari Cooper will be out
Speaker 1: there every single play, and I could see the other
Speaker 1: maybe these two are get the bulk of snaps. But
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see Judy
Speaker 1: at times move out wide and Elijah Moore in the
Speaker 1: slaughter Tillman get a breather and it's Elijah Moore playing
Speaker 1: in the slot something like that, or Judy getting the breather,
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. So for me and I know
Speaker 1: we're gonna touch on this this receiving room a little
Speaker 1: bit later. But it's a mari Cooper or Buss for me.
Speaker 2: I mean, where else anybody else? Do you have an
Speaker 2: interest in that room? Lakwan? Is it just a Mariy
Speaker 2: Cooper or you maybe are willing to take a shot
Speaker 2: on somebody.
Speaker 4: Uh, I guess Judy because it's not like he's expensive
Speaker 4: right now, and him going to the slot isn't anything new.
Speaker 4: He spent most of his time in the slot last season,
Speaker 4: and he showed to be a great target separator as well.
Speaker 4: And I think Deshaun Watson needs all the easy, you know,
Speaker 4: layups he can get for guys that can get open
Speaker 4: and kind of be effective. And I think you know
Speaker 4: that three point nine target rate was tied first with
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase and Rashid Rice out of the slot. So
Speaker 4: he's a very effective route runner.
Speaker 2: So he's cheap.
Speaker 4: He's in the new, maybe happier situation, I would say,
Speaker 4: because he was not connecting well with Russell Wilson and
Speaker 4: he kind of was like openly putting the blame on him.
Speaker 4: So hopefully him and Deshaul Watson you get something going.
Speaker 4: But he will be the only one I would like
Speaker 4: take the shot on being that he's not too expensive.
Speaker 2: Jerry Juda made me feel old, so I'll never draft
Speaker 2: him again.
Speaker 1: I still can't believe that, man.
Speaker 3: I I mean like when he said and told Flora
Speaker 3: and I that, you know, like doctor Dre and Snoop
Speaker 3: Dogg were like, you know, like that's you know, Jindrick Lamar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure he knows who Kendrick Lamar is now.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's been hard to avoid anyway. But no,
Speaker 3: I look, I've draft I'll drafted Mary Cooper, I'm in
Speaker 3: on David and Joku's still yes, those are the only.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know why, but all right.
Speaker 3: Because I think it's because people aren't sure about Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3: I mean I think it's I think it's purely the
Speaker 3: quarterback there. And because you look at what in Joku
Speaker 3: did last year, most of that was with Joe Flacco.
Speaker 3: Yeahs you know, so I think I think everybody's just
Speaker 3: you know, out on Deshaun Watson, or at least very
Speaker 3: cautious about Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I.
Speaker 1: Just pulled it up real quick. The last two seasons
Speaker 1: eight point eight points per game with Watson for Endjoku
Speaker 1: almost thirteen. With all other quarterbacks. He had ten ends
Speaker 1: on targets last year, most amongst tight ends. One of
Speaker 1: them came from Deshaun Watts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not to say, yeah, that's insane. I would take
Speaker 2: a break.
Speaker 3: We'll come back and speaking of the Browns, we'll talk
Speaker 3: about some crowded wide receiver rooms.
Speaker 2: That's next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.
Speaker 3: All right, so obviously best Ball draft season is going on,
Speaker 3: Redraft season is about to start. In fact, I've gotten
Speaker 3: I'm sure you probably have as well, gotten some notifications
Speaker 3: in your email in box about leagues reforming, reconstitute and
Speaker 3: uh you know, maybe even getting some text messages about
Speaker 3: trying to set up dates for drafts. I'll say this,
Speaker 3: I can't think of the last time in the last
Speaker 3: few years where I did a draft, like for a
Speaker 3: redraft league. Well, I was able to just sit down
Speaker 3: at my computer and do the draft. Like it feels
Speaker 3: like every time I'm drafting it's like I'm doing something
Speaker 3: with the kid, I'm making dinner. Uh, Like you know,
Speaker 3: I don't use that as an excuse, but like, I
Speaker 3: can't tell you the last time I just sat down
Speaker 3: in front of the computer and had like an hour
Speaker 3: hour and a half uninterrupted to just do a draft.
Speaker 2: In fact, life is very different when you have kids.
Speaker 1: Apparently it is because I do that regularly.
Speaker 2: No, man, I look, I was.
Speaker 3: I was at Disneyland recently and like was doing We
Speaker 3: were in line for Dumbo and like, I have my
Speaker 3: phone out and my wife looks over. She's like, are
Speaker 3: you doing a draft right now? I'm like, it's a
Speaker 3: slow draft. It's the best I was like, never mind,
Speaker 3: that's my life now. Anyway, the whole point of that
Speaker 3: preamble was that there's a lot of wide receiver situations
Speaker 3: that have some question marks, and you know, we've gotta
Speaker 3: talked about this. In the context of best Ball and
Speaker 3: Bestball you can sort of take more chances because you
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about setting a lineup on a
Speaker 3: week two basis. But in redraft leagues you do have
Speaker 3: to make that choice, and so you're basically putting a
Speaker 3: bet on a wide receiver to be a guy that
Speaker 3: you feel confident you can put into your lineups consistently.
Speaker 3: So Flurida, I'll start with you, and when you're looking
Speaker 3: at redrafts, what is your approach to crowded wide receiver rooms.
Speaker 3: Is it as simple as I just want the guy
Speaker 3: who's cheapest or is there more to it?
Speaker 1: It always depends on the ADPs as well. I do
Speaker 1: try to look at every player from an individual standpoint, like, yes,
Speaker 1: this guy could be the cheapest, but is he the
Speaker 1: cheapest because he's just the worst, or are they all
Speaker 1: kind of closed? So I do look at a I
Speaker 1: think you always have to look at each player in
Speaker 1: an individual lens, but it often to me comes down
Speaker 1: to the ADP. Like we're gonna talk about the Texans
Speaker 1: those guys that's a situation, or the Chiefs are is
Speaker 1: another good example, like you need to pick which one
Speaker 1: of those three or four guys that you want to
Speaker 1: get because you're not gonna be able to get more
Speaker 1: than one of them, or you're not there's really not
Speaker 1: a point where you're like, I can wait two rounds
Speaker 1: to get them because they all go so jumbled up together.
Speaker 1: But if it's a situation where there's like a huge
Speaker 1: gap between a couple of them, then I think that's
Speaker 1: where cost starts to come into play. But for me,
Speaker 1: it's always do I I think that this player has
Speaker 1: the upside to potentially change my team. That's always what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking once I get out of like the fourth
Speaker 1: round or so.
Speaker 3: All right, okay, so so going through that, I got
Speaker 3: a list of teams here. Uh, you mentioned one of
Speaker 3: the chiefs. I didn't throw them in there. Maybe we'll
Speaker 3: throw them in there too, real quick.
Speaker 2: But who do you want at ADP? And has anyone
Speaker 2: gotten too expensive here?
Speaker 3: So I'll start with you Lakwan with the Browns as
Speaker 3: we talked about them just before the break.
Speaker 2: Amari Cooper, Uh, forty one point seven is his ADP
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 3: In my mind, you these are best ball ADPs because
Speaker 3: that's sort of all we have to go on at
Speaker 3: this point. Jerry Judy at one twenty five, Elijah Moore
Speaker 3: at two thirteen, Cedric Tillman at two fifteen and a half.
Speaker 3: I would think that's going to go up if these
Speaker 3: reports about him, you know, being uh one of the
Speaker 3: starters is accurate. But of those four guys at ADP,
Speaker 3: I think you sort of touched on it. But is
Speaker 3: anybody too expensive year or anybody that you're really targeting
Speaker 3: because of that ADP?
Speaker 4: Uh, you can give me a Mari Cooper. I mean
Speaker 4: in the last thirty days, his ADP has jumped up
Speaker 4: ten spots. I mean, everybody's catching on to the wave now,
Speaker 4: but I'm still grabbing him because he honestly, in my
Speaker 4: building strategy, how I've been approaching these best balls and
Speaker 4: how I'm going to approach these redrafts is going wide
Speaker 4: receiver heavy. He's likely my wide receiver three in most
Speaker 4: cases of like when I'm building my roster, because we
Speaker 4: know he's the alpha. He know he's going to be
Speaker 4: the target hag. He's going to be leading the team
Speaker 4: in all major categories. So his status is in stone
Speaker 4: regardless if it's Watcher or whoever else then hopefully it's one.
Speaker 4: We'll get to that later, but anyway, I just feel
Speaker 4: as though, like Cooper, he just makes your wide receiver
Speaker 4: corps looks so much stronger when he's your wide receiver three,
Speaker 4: Like it doesn't matter who you really go in those
Speaker 4: early rounds with if you get the appropriate you know,
Speaker 4: ADP guys, and I feel like, you know, he's been
Speaker 4: a top twenty wide receiver in back to back seasons,
Speaker 4: and we're talking about the Shawn Watson who has not
Speaker 4: looked good, who's played twelve games in the last two seasons,
Speaker 4: but he's paid one hundred million, almost one hundred million.
Speaker 4: But it's like Amari Cooper has always remained reliable with that,
Speaker 4: so you can go ahead and sign me up for him.
Speaker 2: I mean he's a price too high at forty one
Speaker 2: point seven Florio No.
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper has long been one of my guys and
Speaker 1: that's not changing this year. A lot like what LQ said,
Speaker 1: I think he gets overlooked and you could say he's inconsistent,
Speaker 1: but when he's your wide receiver three, and just like LQ,
Speaker 1: that's often my build where I have him and I
Speaker 1: had him in multiple leagues last year as the wide
Speaker 1: receiver three. I'm not saying you want your wide receiver
Speaker 1: three to be inconsistent, but you can live with the
Speaker 1: down weeks when the upside is forty five points, Like
Speaker 1: remember what he did in the Fantasy Playoffs, Slash I
Speaker 1: do because I sat him for step Diggs in that
Speaker 1: Fantasy Live league and cost me the championship. But he
Speaker 1: was awesome. And when you could deal with that inconsistencies
Speaker 1: when you have two other wide receivers that you feel
Speaker 1: really good about and you're taking those guys early, so
Speaker 1: you're gonna feel good about him. Five of the last
Speaker 1: six seasons he's been a top twenty wide receiver and
Speaker 1: total points and top twenty four points per game. So
Speaker 1: you're taking him around his floor, and look, I know
Speaker 1: we can all poop poo on Deshaun Watson all we want.
Speaker 1: If this guy gets and figures it out at all,
Speaker 1: there is some untapped potential there, and that only helps
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper in my opinion. So that's why I said
Speaker 1: with the Browns receivers, it's kind of Cooper or bust
Speaker 1: for me. I don't want to trust Jerry Judy with
Speaker 1: a Mari with Deshaun Watson, but Cooper is so good
Speaker 1: and so proven that I think you can.
Speaker 2: All right, So we go from Cleveland to Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase ADP of four point one, No surprise there,
Speaker 3: Te Higgins at thirty five point six. Jermaine Burton had
Speaker 3: won fifty one and a half. I know we all
Speaker 3: sort of liked Jermaine Burton. So I'll just ask you,
Speaker 3: Florio T Higgins, how do you feel about that? ADP
Speaker 3: at thirty five right now?
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I think all three of these guys are people that
Speaker 1: you should be targeting at costs right now because I
Speaker 1: know last year was it was kind of a lost
Speaker 1: season for T Higgins, but the year prior to that
Speaker 1: in points per game, he was wide receiver twenty. The
Speaker 1: year before that, he was wide receiver thirteen. We know
Speaker 1: that this guy can be a high end wide receiver
Speaker 1: two and give us wide receiver one weeks and I
Speaker 1: think it was Heath Cummings posted that he gave T
Speaker 1: Higgins a one percent target share increase in his projections
Speaker 1: and he went from wide receiver twenty seven to fifteen.
Speaker 1: I think it just shows how jumbled up those wide
Speaker 1: receiver two who's are And if I could get this
Speaker 1: guy as a wide receiver three, knowing that his floor,
Speaker 1: if he stays healthy, is a wide receiver two and
Speaker 1: his ceiling is borderline wide receiver one, I'm all about it.
Speaker 1: So I don't shy away from taking any of the
Speaker 1: Bengals wide receivers at costs.
Speaker 2: Could you make a case, LaQuan that Jamar Chase is
Speaker 2: undervalued at four point one. I know that's a weird
Speaker 2: thing to say. Uh No, I think it's just ray.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think some people are a little bit hesitant
Speaker 4: because his status and performance doesn't solely depend on Joe
Speaker 4: Burrow's health. But that's kind of why he's sitting in
Speaker 4: at that four spot. But I'll take him all day
Speaker 4: long there. I honestly feels like I sleep better at
Speaker 4: night no when I have one of the lague wide receivers,
Speaker 4: like I'm good. But I also like T Higgins as well,
Speaker 4: and that ADP is juicy right there in that fourth
Speaker 4: round because he has shown to be able to coexist
Speaker 4: with Jamar Chase and still put up elite numbers. And
Speaker 4: you're also looking at last season when Joe Burrow went down,
Speaker 4: he actually averaged more Fantasy points per game with Jake
Speaker 4: Browning than Jamar Chase did, and they obviously took a
Speaker 4: huge hit in the touchdown department. But T Higgins gives
Speaker 4: you a solid floor and a reliable target.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I feel as though that he got banged up last season,
Speaker 4: let's just kind of not forget about it, but kind
Speaker 4: of put it to the side and understand he's still
Speaker 4: a solid wide receiver too.
Speaker 2: I've been visioning l oh I got.
Speaker 3: Whatever Houston sexans, which maybe has been the most confounding
Speaker 3: one of them all.
Speaker 2: I mean the quanta will start.
Speaker 3: I will keep it with you here Nico Collins in
Speaker 3: nineteen point four, it's Stefan Diggs at thirty point three,
Speaker 3: Tank doll at thirty five point six.
Speaker 2: Who are you planting your flag with him? Because this
Speaker 2: is the one I think maybe that everybody has the
Speaker 2: most debates over. I don't know what the term is,
Speaker 2: but yeah, where are you going here?
Speaker 4: It's literally weak the week with me, like last week,
Speaker 4: I love to get tanked out, and then the week
Speaker 4: before that is Nico Collins. But I'm starting to think
Speaker 4: that Stefon Diggs might be the same safer option here
Speaker 4: because regression has to kick in for Nico. And then
Speaker 4: there's obviously the risk with Tank Dell being that needs
Speaker 4: a smaller wide receiver. He's banged up last season and
Speaker 4: then off season, you know, fifty cent many men, and
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, I'm just like thinking about, like,
Speaker 4: maybe I should just go Stefon Diggs here as my
Speaker 4: wide receiver two or three or wherever I can get him,
Speaker 4: because I feel as though he will play a huge role.
Speaker 4: They went out and got him, They'll play a huge
Speaker 4: role in this Texans offensive. For the success of the
Speaker 4: c J strout. I just feel as though Nico Collins
Speaker 4: in the first twenty picks, I love him, but I
Speaker 4: don't like that. So therefore I'm just gonna pivot to
Speaker 4: the safer option if I do want a piece of
Speaker 4: this wide receiver corps.
Speaker 2: Nico Collins at nineteen feels really rich.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels nasty. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, can you.
Speaker 3: Make the case for him a nineteen or is it
Speaker 3: just better just pivot to one of the other guys
Speaker 3: at that point?
Speaker 1: No, I think I could make the case. I could
Speaker 1: make the case for all three of these guys if
Speaker 1: he really wanted me to. Nico Collins to me, I
Speaker 1: think he is the mix of safest floor and highest upside, because, like,
Speaker 1: if these guys bottom out and hit their floor, Nico
Speaker 1: Collins is the one that I still feel like is
Speaker 1: someone that would be useful weekly because he's a good
Speaker 1: deep threat, He's a good yak guy, He's good in
Speaker 1: the red zone. He could be used in a number
Speaker 1: of different ways. I did yesterday look and the seven
Speaker 1: games where Tank Dell and Nico Collins were healthy and
Speaker 1: playing at least half the snaps, they were separated by
Speaker 1: point one PPR points, not including rushing numbers and fumbles
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but just catches yards, touchdowns, point
Speaker 1: one fantasy point apart. And so when I did this,
Speaker 1: my original thinking was like, Okay, maybe Tank Dell is
Speaker 1: the best value because he's the cheapest of the three
Speaker 1: of them. But then I'm like, I know, Steph Diggs
Speaker 1: is getting up there in age and he's slow, like
Speaker 1: slowed down in the second half of last year. But
Speaker 1: there was numerous times where he was opened downfield and
Speaker 1: Josh Challenge didn't connect with him. And then there was
Speaker 1: some times where he was open downfield and he let
Speaker 1: the ball go through his hands. So if he catches
Speaker 1: those long passes, We're talking about Steph Diggs being in
Speaker 1: a very different light right now. So because of that,
Speaker 1: because I'm just like Lakwan, like, to me, this is
Speaker 1: the biggest conundrum of the offseason. Every day or week
Speaker 1: I feel confident about a different one. I know part
Speaker 1: of my brain is like spread it out, take a
Speaker 1: couple of shares of each, and then the other part
Speaker 1: of me is like, just avoid it altogether. And I
Speaker 1: know that might sound crazy, because it's gonna be one
Speaker 1: of the better offenses in football, But I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's gonna be so weak to weak and we're
Speaker 1: trying to like last year was okay Man teams you
Speaker 1: play Colins zone teams you played, or vice versa zone
Speaker 1: you play Collins Man, you play Dell. But now Diggs
Speaker 1: is in the middt. It's just confusing to me. So
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure which direction I feel most confident
Speaker 1: going in.
Speaker 3: This is really, more than anything solidified my stance that
Speaker 3: this is going to be Stefan Diggs's Thanos year.
Speaker 2: I just I just think so. And at thirty, you know,
Speaker 2: right around pick thirty or so, I'm okay with taking
Speaker 2: that shot because chances are he's my wide receiver to
Speaker 2: maybe even three depending on how I've made my roster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm just that's that's swirling. I can't
Speaker 3: really get down with Nico Collins at nineteen. I just
Speaker 3: I think you can get similar production around or two
Speaker 3: later from the TV.
Speaker 1: The only reason I could see it for Nico is
Speaker 1: if they're all getting so much volume, a similar volume,
Speaker 1: he's him and Dell are going to be the field stretchers,
Speaker 1: so they'll make up for lack of volume whereas if
Speaker 1: Diggs isn't getting that deep ball, he'll be a safe
Speaker 1: floor guy, but I don't know if he'll have the spikes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the ultimate answer is c J shrout, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 4: So just draft CJ Show if you want a piece
Speaker 4: of that offense.
Speaker 2: That is the answer.
Speaker 1: Like, are you guys taking the forty nine ers guys
Speaker 1: at cost?
Speaker 4: I think I am debo, I'm ayyuk, Yeah, dibo, I'm
Speaker 4: not too sure right now.
Speaker 1: So for me and I would add Kittlin Like I
Speaker 1: for a while have avoid like I've been taking the
Speaker 1: quarterback but not the receivers, and it you know, you're
Speaker 1: leaving a ton of production on the board. But that's
Speaker 1: kind of now how I'm viewing these Texans guys like
Speaker 1: I might just let someone else deal.
Speaker 2: With the headache. Yeah, I get that. I totally understand
Speaker 2: that too. I take a break.
Speaker 3: We got a few more to dive into, diving into
Speaker 3: these crowded wide receiver rooms. Stick around for more on
Speaker 3: the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So we are looking at
Speaker 3: wide receiver rooms that have a whole lot of options
Speaker 3: and how we are approaching them. This is more from
Speaker 3: a redraft perspective than from a best ball. We just
Speaker 3: talked about the Texans. Now we'll talk about the Packers,
Speaker 3: who I've had some people described to me the Packer
Speaker 3: wide receiver room is sort of the Texans wide receiver room,
Speaker 3: but at a cheaper cost. When you look at Jayden
Speaker 3: Reid at fifty five point three, Christian Watson seventy five
Speaker 3: point five, Romeo Dubbs at one oh four point one,
Speaker 3: Dantavian Wicks at one twenty three point three, LaQuan, which
Speaker 3: of these guys do you most.
Speaker 2: Want at ADP? And is anybody overvalued.
Speaker 4: Here at ADP? Man I love grabbing Jayden Reid. He
Speaker 4: is the what do we call it the Wisconsin deb Debo?
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: I'll take him because he's giving you the most opportunities
Speaker 4: for fantasy points on Sundays. I mean he could be
Speaker 4: a d threat. You could use him close to the
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage where he's able to create after to catch.
Speaker 4: He can also be a runner. I mean look at
Speaker 4: him as a runner. Six out of eleven rushes he
Speaker 4: had last season went over ten yards. He scored on
Speaker 4: two of them. So he's going to be giving you
Speaker 4: the best chance in each and every week to be
Speaker 4: a guy that could be utilized all over this offense.
Speaker 4: And you see the connection he has with Jordan Love
Speaker 4: and it's very positive. So give me Jayden Reid as
Speaker 4: my wide receiver three or flex.
Speaker 2: And where are you playing your flag here in Green Bay,
Speaker 2: Florio Jayden Reid?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that I was last year. He was the Packers
Speaker 1: wide receiver that I wanted most at cost, and I'm
Speaker 1: sticking with that because I believe his versatility will keep
Speaker 1: him on the field. Like I know that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of talk of like who's gonna be the odd
Speaker 1: man out of these four when they're in three wide
Speaker 1: receiver sets or even when they're in two wide receiver sets,
Speaker 1: I feel confident that it's Jaden Reid and then it's
Speaker 1: the others competing for volume there because, like Lakwama was saying,
Speaker 1: not only the dual threat capability and everything, but he
Speaker 1: really the more he got playing time down the stretch
Speaker 1: last year, showed that he can be a big target earner.
Speaker 1: From a week twelve on eight targets, then five, then ten,
Speaker 1: then eight, then eight and then four in the last game.
Speaker 1: But I remember that last game very vividly he came
Speaker 1: out of the game early because of injury and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, so he still at one hundred and twelve yards.
Speaker 1: He's just to me the safest of the group. And
Speaker 1: I know, like I've said, for best ball, I'll take
Speaker 1: a shot on Christian Watson, but for redraft, it's going
Speaker 1: to be far too inconsistent. Romeo Dobbs is what I
Speaker 1: consider one of the worst investments fantasy football, because he's
Speaker 1: good enough to keep on your roster, but you're not
Speaker 1: gonna really want to start him most weeks, and then
Speaker 1: that just takes up a spot on your bench where
Speaker 1: you could be chasing more upside. Wicks is cheap and
Speaker 1: has upside, but I'm not confident he's gonna get enough
Speaker 1: playing time. So for me, I'll take read and redraft
Speaker 1: and I'll let other people take the rest.
Speaker 3: I went through a week or two where I was
Speaker 3: like on the Dantavian Wicks train. I'm not like off
Speaker 3: of it, but you know, that was just kind of
Speaker 3: a fever dream for a few days. I am becoming
Speaker 3: more and more convinced that what we saw out of
Speaker 3: Christian Watson in that first year was more a product
Speaker 3: of Aaron Rodgers and that. Look, I don't expect Watson
Speaker 3: to just fall off a cliff and be terrible, But
Speaker 3: I think if we're asking him to replicate what he
Speaker 3: did in that first season, I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be possible. I think circumstances and the quarterbacks sort of
Speaker 3: led to that. I think Jordan Love's gonna spread the
Speaker 3: ball around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw that last year, and I just don't
Speaker 2: know that that Watson is gonna put up those sort
Speaker 2: of numbers that we saw from him in that first season.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs.
Speaker 3: You touched on those earlier in the show, Florio, but
Speaker 3: you got Hollywood Brown at fifty one, Xavier Worthy at
Speaker 3: sixty two, or she Rice at seventy one point eight.
Speaker 3: This is an interesting one as well. I've made my
Speaker 3: feelings on her she Rice well known. I won't go
Speaker 3: over that again. But of those three, Floria, which one
Speaker 3: do you most want?
Speaker 1: These are three guys that I've backed all three of
Speaker 1: them in the past. Like I was Big Unworthy in
Speaker 1: the draft, I liked ra she Rice last year, and
Speaker 1: I loved Hollywood Brown when he came out. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with Hollywood Brown though, and parts of it is
Speaker 1: because I think the last two seasons, not getting to
Speaker 1: play with Kyler Murray for the full season and stuff
Speaker 1: like that has really hurt his numbers. But he is
Speaker 1: so explosive and is going to be the field stretcher
Speaker 1: in my opinion for this team. Patrick Mahomes is the
Speaker 1: best quarterback he's ever played with, even though he's played
Speaker 1: with Lamar and bits of Kyler.
Speaker 2: I just think the I think he's.
Speaker 1: Gonna especially early on at the start of the year,
Speaker 1: he's going to be getting a bunch of snaps. But
Speaker 1: I like Rashid Rice at cost because I think you're
Speaker 1: getting the discount already baked into him, Like if he
Speaker 1: stays healthy, if the suspension isn't like half the year
Speaker 1: or whatever, I feel confident he can outlive that. Seventy
Speaker 1: two ADP Xavier Worthy to me is like an upside role.
Speaker 1: But the floor is the lowest of the three. I
Speaker 1: would say so because of that, I like going Hollywood Brown,
Speaker 1: but I don't really dislike any of the three at cost.
Speaker 2: Last one here the Jaguars.
Speaker 3: Christian Kirk forty three point eight, Brian Thomas seventy one
Speaker 3: point one, Gabe Davis one thirty one point seven lakwan I.
Speaker 2: Last year, I would look at the Jaguars.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't know which one I'm gonna
Speaker 3: just take Trevor Lawrence instead this year. Is there a
Speaker 3: more defined hierarchy? Is there a guy that you like
Speaker 3: more than the others in Jacksonville?
Speaker 4: I mean, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, man.
Speaker 4: We gotta go with what we know. Christian Kirk, he's
Speaker 4: the captain there. I mean, you look at Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 4: since twenty twenty one and his second most attempts to
Speaker 4: the slot, and you got to look at this guy
Speaker 4: as one of the elite separators. He is such a
Speaker 4: great route runner, he's a reliable receiver, and you look
Speaker 4: at before he got injured last season, he led the
Speaker 4: team in sixty nine point two yards yards per game.
Speaker 4: So he's obviously Trevor Lawrence's go to his safe blanket.
Speaker 4: He was second on the team in receptions behind Ingram,
Speaker 4: who also spends time in the slot. So he's one
Speaker 4: of those guys that you could just bank on, like,
Speaker 4: all right, this guy's going to get targets, this guy's
Speaker 4: going to get the yardage, and he has the ability
Speaker 4: to create out there to catch as well. So I'm
Speaker 4: not going to be trying to take any shots on
Speaker 4: a Brian Thomas junior, which is ADP right now, I'm
Speaker 4: not liking it's in that sixth round area where it's like, ugh,
Speaker 4: we don't know anything yet, you know, so just go
Speaker 4: with Christian Kirk and just go with what you know.
Speaker 2: Remember when we all laughed at the Jaguars signing Christian
Speaker 2: Kirk took a big contract.
Speaker 4: Everybody's like that.
Speaker 2: I didn't, No, I mean like I was just kind
Speaker 2: of like, I've been kind of excited when he's at it.
Speaker 2: It's worked out like I'm not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, every he worth every penny.
Speaker 2: Man he has been. He has been outstanding for the
Speaker 2: Jaguars so far of the season. So we'll see how
Speaker 2: it goes. I'll ask you, Flack, are you back in
Speaker 2: on Trevor Lawrence this year?
Speaker 1: Uh? Where he's going right now is like a low
Speaker 1: NQB two. Yeah, But I'm not like super like, he's
Speaker 1: never averaged eighteen fantasy points per game in a season.
Speaker 1: I understand the weapons are nice and he's a very
Speaker 1: sneaky runner near the goal line, but he I think
Speaker 1: he's appropriately valued.
Speaker 2: All right, I would say that I've drafted him a
Speaker 2: ton in best ball. I'm not sure if I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get to him in redraft leagues. Just just sort of curious.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: There you go. That's our our look at some crowded
Speaker 2: wide receiver rooms.
Speaker 3: Will be back with you for another show tomorrow, and
Speaker 3: plus he got the cheat sheet coming for you on Thursday.
Speaker 2: As well, so you should be sure to stay tuned
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 3: In the meantime that I'll do it for this edition
Speaker 3: of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So happy to say
Speaker 3: even healthy, do good and live well and uh yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess we'll talk to you tomorrow.
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