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Speaker 1: I'm not on the payroll. I know what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm just having fun with Yeah. Actually,

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Speaker 1: There's there's hot chocolate, you know. All right, So did

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Speaker 1: you see the Senate Majority Leader? Oh, how's this for

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Speaker 1: a pivot? Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell spoke on the

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Speaker 1: Senate floor today about whether or not he was going

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Speaker 1: to include witnesses. I'm going to let the Senate majority

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Speaker 1: leader take it away here he is. Obviously that is

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Speaker 1: the most contentious part of one of these proceedings, and

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Speaker 1: that'll be addressed at that time and not before the

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Speaker 1: trial began. But we're not going to They're voting on

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Speaker 1: a rules package that he says he has the votes for,

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Speaker 1: and the Republican controlled Senate he only needs a majority.

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Speaker 1: But what is not going to be included in this

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Speaker 1: bill is whether or not there will be witnesses in

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Speaker 1: the Senate trial. That is the precedent that that lawmakers

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Speaker 1: followed during the Clinton impeachment. But talk about a punt robot, Jane.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so take us does this provide does a

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Speaker 1: vote like this with dodging the issue of witnesses as

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Speaker 1: was done in the past, does that provide enough political

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Speaker 1: cover from Murkowski and Collins to get on board with

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Speaker 1: the package like this, because ultimately that really is what matters.

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Speaker 1: McConnell is not going to move without them, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they're on board, and they have to be, I mean,

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Speaker 1: or else he's not going to move. If he does.

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Speaker 1: If he does move and loses them, then it's it's

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Speaker 1: game over. I mean that that's the first chink in

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Speaker 1: the armor and blood in the water for the impeachment trial.

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Speaker 1: So there's no way he's going to set a foundation

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Speaker 1: like that. It's very interesting, Um, and I'm taking off

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Speaker 1: my partisan hat for a second, if I understand it partly,

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Speaker 1: and and and Ron could probably clarify this for me.

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Speaker 1: I believe that the witnesses that made presentations in the

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Speaker 1: already done deposition in the course of the House investigation.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of like the dog that bites

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Speaker 1: its own tail, right if you if you denied the

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Speaker 1: witnesses to the House, is it then appropriate for the

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Speaker 1: House for the Senate to then demand them to somewhat

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Speaker 1: reverse engineer the flawed product that the House sent over?

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Speaker 1: At what point does the barn door close in terms

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Speaker 1: of trying to subpoena some of these folks. And we've

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Speaker 1: never tested that before, You've never tested it before. And

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Speaker 1: I think the calculation it Ron correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: is is the White House, as well as Republican leadership,

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Speaker 1: is saying all of that the dog, the tail, the process,

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Speaker 1: the procedure to independ the snow, the snowballs. Uh, the

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Speaker 1: it's just noise to two independent voters who are just

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Speaker 1: going to hear the word impeachment and think is it

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Speaker 1: over at Yeah. I think they're going to keep this

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Speaker 1: nice and tight. This is going to be a week

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Speaker 1: to two week trial tops, and they're going to dispose

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Speaker 1: of it. Now. Pelosi has to send over the articles

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Speaker 1: of impeachment. I mean, that's that's just the fact. And

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Speaker 1: once that happens, we'll get that process started. All right,

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Speaker 1: Coming up much more from the panel. What's on their radar? Well,

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Speaker 1: things heat up in here. Who knows, you know, anything

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Speaker 1: could happen on bloom On. Bloomberg Sound On, Roger Fisk stays,

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Speaker 1: Ron bon Jean days, I'll stay too. Download the Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Sound On podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com,

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Speaker 1: find us on Radio dot Com, I Heart Radio, and Spotify.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Sirelli. You're listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg's

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Speaker 1: Sound On with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg one and one

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Speaker 1: oh five point seven f m h D two, Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming to work tomorrow rains for shine or snow,

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Speaker 1: no matter how much snow we're gonna get, but make

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Speaker 1: sure you're driving safe on those slick roads out there.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Sirelli, Chief Washington correspondent Fromloomberg TV and Radio.

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Speaker 1: Roger Fisk is here. You're getting snowday tomorrow, Roger, we'll

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Speaker 1: see six by six. Ron Bonjeene, partner, a Rock Solutions

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Speaker 1: Republican insider. You're getting the snoway tomorrow. I don't know

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Speaker 1: we're getting a snow day, but I bet you some

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Speaker 1: school's clothes somewhere around here. What do you do want

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Speaker 1: to know that I either read a good book or

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Speaker 1: you watch something on Netflix. Have you guys seen Messiah

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Speaker 1: on Netflix? It is I'm telling you, I'm hooked. It

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Speaker 1: is so good. The premise is this guy in the

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Speaker 1: Middle East claims to be the Messiah and he gets

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Speaker 1: and it's you know what, people start believing him. It

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Speaker 1: goes viral, and it's it's it's a mix of the Montreal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not religious as I mean, I know you know

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Speaker 1: that it sounds religious, but it's not. It's it's like

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Speaker 1: it's like it's like a House of Cards, International meets

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Speaker 1: twenty four Jack Bauer. It's it's very good. So if

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Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, and what are you watching, I'm

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Speaker 1: watching the Morning Show. I haven't seen it. Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: fantastic Jennifer Aniston and Reath's Witherspoon Um And it's about

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Speaker 1: real like a Today Show or Good Morning America or

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Speaker 1: something like that type of you were really boring off air.

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Speaker 1: It was. It's not a boring there's no dramas, a

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Speaker 1: huge drama, lots of drama, roller coaster. You don't know

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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen next. And that's a fun thing about

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Speaker 1: those shows when you don't know what the formula is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, what are you watching? Roger? Uh? Nothing,

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Speaker 1: really about to embark on it. I'm reading the Dictionary

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Speaker 1: of Civil War Reading cluster reading clusters, So I just

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Speaker 1: did three years on World War One. Alright, I want

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Speaker 1: to see nineteen Oh absolutely, all right. It's time now

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Speaker 1: for one of my favorite segments of the show, which

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Speaker 1: is not talking about Netflix and what books everybody's reading,

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Speaker 1: but what's on your radar? Ron, what's on your radar.

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Speaker 1: What's on my radar is healthcare legislation. You know, both

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Speaker 1: sides are really struggling to answer um. One of the

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Speaker 1: the rising cost of healthcare and the access to healthcare.

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Speaker 1: And so two pieces of legislation that's out there is

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Speaker 1: how do you solve the issue of emergency balance billing?

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Speaker 1: Medical legis medical bills, UM, and there's a legislation to

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Speaker 1: address that, as well as the rising costs of prescription drugs.

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Speaker 1: Both sides have different you know, this is not I'd

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Speaker 1: say there are interested cross party um thoughts on this,

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Speaker 1: but I you know, I don't know if it's going

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Speaker 1: we've been seeing this happen for a years and because

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Speaker 1: of the one question, which is how you're gonna pay

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Speaker 1: for it? And at that point Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat

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Speaker 1: from Massachusetts running for president, she was on the View

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Speaker 1: earlier today asking about how she was going to pay

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Speaker 1: for some of her proposals. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: I don't have plans to increase taxes on the middle clad. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I figured out how to do every plan I've done

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Speaker 1: out there without increasing taxes on the middle class. But

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Speaker 1: look at what a decent wealth tax would do for us,

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Speaker 1: Universal childcare for every baby in this country. Eight hundred

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Speaker 1: billion dollars into our public schools, make it a really

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Speaker 1: college billion dollars for historically black colleges and universities. We

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Speaker 1: spent two trillion dollars on the military. I said, I

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Speaker 1: don't want anyone ever to ask Elizabeth Warrant how she's

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Speaker 1: going to pay for medical I find that really fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what she's really daring to do is capture

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Speaker 1: the left wing populism out there that Bernie Sanders really has,

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Speaker 1: which is, you know, how do you provide some of

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Speaker 1: all and ran into a whole bus off how are

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Speaker 1: Going after billionaires is not something that's uh, it's not

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Speaker 1: a bad thing to do technically. I think as a

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Speaker 1: is like the right thing probably for who to strategically

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Speaker 1: UM to get left wing voters, because how are you

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Speaker 1: going to pay for it? Someone else is going to

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Speaker 1: pay for it, and that person is going to be

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Speaker 1: who's really rich and out of touch, and I want

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that always gets lost in

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Speaker 1: the last presidential election very much had concerns about the

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Speaker 1: Affordable Care Act. If you look at their concerns, if

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Speaker 1: you look at how middle class voters, premiums went up,

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Speaker 1: upper middle class voters, premiums went up uh and and

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Speaker 1: healthcare costs went up after the Affordable Care Act was

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Speaker 1: uh enacted. You know, I mean, they're not billionaires. And

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Speaker 1: you go to suburbs all over this country, you know,

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Speaker 1: those are those swing independent voters. And again, those people

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Speaker 1: aren't billionaires. And they're not saying that that folks. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're not saying they want to be heartless when it

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Speaker 1: comes to healthcare. But they're saying, why is this so expensive?

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Speaker 1: Why did Obamacare make make this more expensive for middle

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Speaker 1: class and upper middle class folks. And so it's it's

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Speaker 1: a very interesting nuanced Isssue. I totally agree. I think that, um,

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Speaker 1: the rising cost of health care, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: continuing to be a problem beyond this year, in several

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Speaker 1: years in the future. We have a whole Baby boomer

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Speaker 1: the middle class and upper middle class voters who had

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Speaker 1: concerns about Obamacare. Now these either healthcare going up. They're

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out for some of them though I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I mean not some of them were generous

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Speaker 1: enough to pay for their children's higher education and now

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Speaker 1: they're planning for retirement. So I mean their their lives

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Speaker 1: are that. I don't hear that on either side of

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Speaker 1: that particular electric getting spoken to. So that's a great

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Speaker 1: one to have on your radar. Ron Roger, what's on

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Speaker 1: your radar? I'm gonna I'm gonna switch again and actually

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Speaker 1: combine it and answer that relates to your recent point.

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Speaker 1: Can I just say before you start talking, you always

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Speaker 1: have some of the best on your radars in sound

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Speaker 1: on history, there this one's kind of weak. I'm hopefully

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Speaker 1: kidding no, uh, to be self critical a little bit.

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Speaker 1: On the progressive side, I wrote an op ed a

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Speaker 1: little while ago which is that the Democrats need a

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Speaker 1: idea that Democrats only define themselves as deciding how to

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Speaker 1: spend taxpayer dollars is surrendering massive squaws of real estate

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Speaker 1: to the folks on the other side of the aisle,

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Speaker 1: all of the innovation all you know, we talked about

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Speaker 1: of the venture capital in the country going to California

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Speaker 1: and New York and Massachusetts. So clearly there's a connection

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Speaker 1: between blue states and capitalism. Um that's you know, manifested

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Speaker 1: by capitalists themselves. But Democrats need to get ahead of

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Speaker 1: this and figure out a way to talk about economic

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Speaker 1: with their larger social plans, because if we continue to

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Speaker 1: of spending it and not in the context of building

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Speaker 1: it and earning it and expanding it, um, then we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have steeper and steeper climbs in elections. And I

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Speaker 1: think that I do think there's an answer there. So

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Speaker 1: the thing that's on my mind recently is that Democrats

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Speaker 1: from here forward need to come up with a new

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Speaker 1: way of talking about success that doesn't vilify it, and

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Speaker 1: that actually encourages it, fosters it while still having all

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Speaker 1: their you know, the the agenda for domestic policy and fascinating.

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating, you know. I mean, when I was growing up,

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