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Let the pros do all 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:25.280 the work while you relax and enjoy the results. Exclusions 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:29.920 apply and see truegreen dot com for details. He's David Cone. 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.840 He won five World Championships. He works for the Yes 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:37.920 Network and also ESPN Sunday Night Baseball analyst. And I've 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:42.960 been watching baseball and reading about baseball, and I forgot 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.600 about Aaron Judge. And I looked at the numbers. His 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:51.360 April is mind blowing and like it's Barry Bonzian. And 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.880 I said to Fritzie, I said, see if David conell 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.600 join us, just to put this in perspective, and Cony 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.840 joins us down, you get to see this on a 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.280 Hailey basis here What exactly did Aaron Judge do in 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:04.200 the month of April. 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.520 Well, Dan, thanks for having me on again. Always a pleasure. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.280 I got my time zones mixed up Central East Coast, 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.320 you know, ten o'clock, eleven o'clock, but you know the 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.040 Dyton We'll leave that where it is. But you know, 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.520 watching Aaron Judge since the day he showed up, I 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.760 was in the booth with Joe Tory actually and Paul O'Neill. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.520 On his major league debut, he had a massive home 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:28.280 run off the center field restaurant, the black glass up 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.680 in the Yankee Stadium. We couldn't believe what we're seeing. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.560 And then over the years we said, well, yeah, tremendous power. 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:36.960 Strikes out a little too much. He struck out about 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.480 forty percent of the time on average when he first 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.840 broke in. Now it's in half. He's cut that in half. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:43.960 He's only striking out twenty percent of the time now 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.959 and his batting average is over four hundred. The power 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.280 is still there. He's such a smart hitter, Dan, he's 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.480 chasing less than ever. You can't get him to chase 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:56.000 those breaking balls out of the zone anymore. He's hitting 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.760 for a high average. It's just it seems to me 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.440 that the only way you can talk about Aaron Judges 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.440 talk about how smart he is as a hitter. He 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.160 anticipates a flow better than ever. He knows how you're 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.800 gonna pitch him, and he's on you. He knows you, 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.880 he reads you, and he's getting better and better and 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.079 better every year to where now he's only striking out, 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:17.799 as I said, about twenty percent of the time. Major 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.600 League baseball average is about twenty two percent. He's below 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.200 average striking out now and still hitting four hundred and 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:24.520 fifty foot home runs, but. 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:25.880 He has a bigger strike zone. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.639 I think eight years ago everybody talked about is that 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:29.680 swing going to hold up? 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.639 You know, big guy, long swing. But it has held up. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.600 But you, as a former cy Young winner and you 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.760 win five World Series titles, I want you to You're 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:43.240 gonna face Aaron Judge right now. So first inning he 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:47.560 comes to the plate, how do you start Aaron Judge. 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.960 Well, he does swing at enough first pitch fastballs to 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:53.920 where that kind of scares me a little bit. You know, 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.440 even though he's very selective. Now he gets a ton 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.560 of walks he doesn't chase, but he's still ready aggressively 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.880 for that first pitch fastball. So Dan, I'm still I'm 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.000 trying to get ahead of him. I'm trying to sort 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.280 of get ahead with a breaking ball because a lot 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.280 of times he'll spot you that. So if you can 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.080 drop a curve ball in there for the first Drinke, 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.640 then you've got count leverage. And now maybe I'll try 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.240 to bust him up and in out of the zone. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.560 But everything I'm throwing him is around the edges and 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.360 up in the zone. I still think, you know, you 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.800 try to get him up and in. Any great hitter, 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.039 if it was Barry Bonds, if it was bay Rufe 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.159 for that matter, I've got to test them up and 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.200 end to see if they'll chase, to see if they 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.680 can hit a fastball right on the upper right quadrant, 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.520 upper inside corner. And then once I find that out, 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:36.760 then I'm back to trying to throw breaking balls. But 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.520 that's where he's been so impressive. He does not chase. 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.560 The fish aren't biting Baron Judge this year is just 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.000 his chase rate is top five. He just does not 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.440 does not chase breaking balls out of the zone. 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.520 All right, you're gonna face Sho Tani. 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.680 What are you doing the same thing? You know, I've 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.960 got to try to get ahead somehow because he's very 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.359 aggressive from the first pitch on. And I were to 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.680 give any advice to any slugger out there, I would say, 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:04.760 be ready on the first pitch. If you're gonna spot 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.080 me a strike, then I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.080 get a lot of the plate if I think that 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.080 you're gonna, you know, not swing. That's how I face 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.520 Mike Piazza in the two thousand World Series. I knew 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.760 he would take a first pitch strike, so I threw 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.960 an eighty five mile an hour fastball right down the middle, 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:20.599 and he took it first strike. And I still can't 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.440 believe it. And then I went to work. I started 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.560 throwing sliders, started throwing fastballs in got them to pop up. 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.720 So that that's kind of the strategy, trying to get 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.960 ahead with something off speed, eventually test them up and 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.600 end throughout the course of the bat, and then see 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.400 if you could still try to get them to chase. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:37.640 And they're two hitters that don't chase all that often. 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.320 But you look at these guys who are and I 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.880 would think that first pitch, you're you're not trying to 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:49.520 throw something away, it's gonna be around the plate. That 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.400 if I'm a hitter, I'm just I'm gonna sit on something. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.080 I'm gonna guess that you're gonna throw me a fastball 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.160 and it's gonna be around the plate. That would be 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.479 my mindset coming to play. I don't know how many 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.920 hitters have that first pitch mindset. 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.200 That's a great point. I think more and more we're 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:09.920 seeing it. You know the thing about analytics in today's game, 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.880 You know, every account is analyzed nowadays. You have reams 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.160 and dreams of information nowadays that players get inun dated with, 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.800 and sometimes that might take away from the natural order 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.320 of things in terms of their aggressiveness. It makes you 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.440 a little more information you get, the less aggressive you become, 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:29.960 generally speaking. But with that being said, the great hitters 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.200 can really zero in on a location and if they 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.360 get it, they're going to jump on it. And that's 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.640 what we call cheating and the first pitch of in 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.360 that bat. If you're cheating on a fastball, you can 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.400 start your swing a little bit sooner, and if you 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.320 get fooled or whatever, you still have two more strikes 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.680 to work with. So that's the pitch that gives count leverage. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.600 That's the pitch of the pitcher wants to get ahead of, 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.200 and that's the pitch of that the hitter wants to 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:53.880 do damage on because it might be the best pitch 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:55.159 he sees throughout the whole bat. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.719 If you could start your franchise with Otani or Judge, 0:06:58.800 --> 0:06:59.640 what would you take. 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.839 Oh wow, you know, I mean, I guess the projection 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.000 is how much pitching can you get from Otani? Well, 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:07.640 you know with the injuries what he has left. I mean, 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.080 if you're going back a couple of years, and obviously 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.680 Otani with the pitching side of his game, it just 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.720 puts him above everybody else. But there is no doubt 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.160 that in the batter's box with a bat in his hands, 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.360 there's nobody like Aaron Judge. He is clearly the best hitter, 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.600 better than Juan Soto because of his power numbers better 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.240 than anybody in the game right now. Aaron Judge, offensively speaking, 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.840 is the best hitter. And it's not really even an argument. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.520 You did well against Bonds. I remember he didn't even 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:39.320 bat two hundred. I don't think against you. 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.360 Yeah, I caught early Barry bombs, you know, in this 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.240 Pittsburgh years, you know, in the Mets day, so you know, 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.320 early Barry Bonds is a different cat then later San 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:49.880 Francisco Giants Berry bombs. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.760 But you couldn't make him like he had a strike 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.520 zone about the size of a bread box, you know, 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:59.000 a mailbox, and he was not swinging on anything that 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:03.160 wasn't in that little area. It felt like, how tough 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.520 was that too? You know, if you miss, it's gone. 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.280 Absolutely, you know. And the thing about Bonds was is 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:11.880 that he kind of choked up on the bat. You know, 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.480 you think he looked like Phil Rizzuto up there, the 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:16.440 way he choked up on the bed at times. Right, 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:18.720 You ever seen Phil Risuto and how much he choked 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.080 up on a baseball bat. That kind of Bonds was 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.920 that way. And what that made him so dangerous at 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.000 was fastballs in. He was so quick. If you tried 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:29.680 to pitch him in and you did not get it 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.360 in there, that's the ones he lost. You know, those 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.319 were gone. Those were hit hard. They were either a 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.800 line driver or a home run. So you had to 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.120 be really careful when you tried to pitch Bonds inside 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:44.160 because anything, anything that that didn't get in off the plate, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:45.760 he was going to have a good swing out. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:47.760 What is that like when you throw a pitch and 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.760 it's almost like an old bleep that that you know 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:53.400 you threw a pitch and it's a bad pitch. The 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:54.960 question is what are they going to do with it? 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.040 Yeah? Almost out of my hand, you know, It's like 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:58.920 hitting a golf ball. Fat. You know. I mean you 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.760 played golf and you know you got a wedge in 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:02.920 your hand from one hundred and twenty yards and you're 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.080 going to stick this close and you just you lay 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:06.800 the sod over it. You know, that's how it feels 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.920 out of a pitcher's hand. It's just you're late with 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.600 your arm. You get around it, it gets a loose 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.640 spin on it, and you feel it immediately off your 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.199 fingertips and you're going, uh oh, almost almost halfway to 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:20.320 home plate. You kind of have already prosessed the fact 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:24.480 that that's fat. That's hung Watch out, do. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.880 You have one? You remember where they weren't very kind 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:28.600 to the baseball. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.559 Yes, I remember in the playoffs with the Yankees. We 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.400 were playing the Cleveland Indians. Bases loaded. Jim tow me 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.280 up at the plate and I hung one of those pitches, 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:41.840 one of those sliders I was trying to throw a 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.079 back door, was trying to sneak it over the outside corner. 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.120 It came out of my hand fat, As I said, 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.280 It kind of just spun in there and it just 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.200 laid out over the plate and he hit it in 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.439 the upper deck at the old Yankee Stadium. The sound 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.040 off his bat. I still hear my sleep at night sometimes. 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.680 I mean, it was so loud the way Jim only, 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:01.720 the way Jim Tomy could hit it. And it was 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.679 a grand slam, and you know, we ended up winning 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.640 that game. It was the clincher in the playoffs. And 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.880 I think it was ninety eight. I believe we were 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.520 playing the Indians in the in the playoffs and we 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.040 ended up winning that series and luckily we scored enough runs. 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.560 But that brought him back, that that grand slam from Tommy. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.240 Tommy brought him back. And I still remember it like 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:22.280 it was yesterday. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.960 And it's and there's certain sounds. You know, Baseball's about sounds, 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.520 and you could tell when something's off the bat. You 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.000 can tell when you're at the plate and you can 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.040 hear that fastball coming by how it hits the mit. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.160 But you know, Maddis told me it sounds like two 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.320 cars crashing when he gave up a home run. 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.160 He just said and he said, look, I'd rather you 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:41.440 hit it. 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.719 Four hundred and fifty feet instead of you know, to 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:45.600 ninety eight down the left field line. 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.120 Yeah, you know, it's Have you ever been in a 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.120 restaurant with a waiter drops a bunch of dishes in 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.240 the back and that sound and the dishes breaking that 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.720 that's what sounds like to me. You know, that sounds 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.000 off of Jim Tomy's bad. I mean, if you you know, 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.240 the kids said, if you want to see something, you know, 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:03.640 a mountain of a man swing the bat and listen 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.120 to you know that Jim Tomy's the guy to go 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:06.600 to YouTube and watch his havevats. 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.600 Can Aaron Judge hit four hundred? 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:11.920 I would say probably not. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.560 Okay, you know he's not going to beat out a 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.040 lot of infield hit I mean you've got to get 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.840 some of those like little you know, five hoppers that 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:22.640 you can beat out. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.719 Yeah. Absolutely. And also there is the random variance, the 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.679 luck factor, right, I mean analytics if the one thing 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.960 I love about analytics, modern day analytics, is it kind 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.400 of shows you you can look under the hood, as 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.520 they say, and say what's kind of lucky and what's 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.800 going to regress to the mean a little bit? And 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.920 certainly batting average on balls in play, those ground balls 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.920 that are always finding holes, you know, tend to turn around. 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.720 They start to find gloves after a while. So that's 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.160 the fortune part of it. The batting average on balls 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:54.839 in play is unbelievably high for Aaron Judge right now. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.000 And you gotta figure that's gonna some of those hard 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.520 ground balls that start to start to go at shortstops 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.760 and second ba baseman, and he's not gonna he's not 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.720 gonna have that high of an average on especially on 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:04.600 the balls on the ground. 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.640 Where are we with torpedo bats? I thought they were 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:11.040 ruining baseball and I haven't heard much about torpedo bats. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:12.120 What happened? 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:14.960 Yeah, I think that was just you know, if you 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.000 there'll be case studies on how do you know, how 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:18.400 do you create a viral moment? 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:18.640 Right? 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.480 How does something go viral in today's today's day and age. 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:23.880 That was just a perfect storm. Michael Kay set it 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.520 up perfectly. The Yankees had a bunch of home runs 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.800 on that day when he talked about for the first 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.040 time the torpedo bat, when actuality, the torpedo bat had 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:33.959 been out for several years and other players and other 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.880 teams actually were using it on that day, and everybody thought, 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:38.959 oh no, it was a Yankee thing, Oh the Yankees 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.839 are cheating. And it was just a perfect viral moment 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.400 where everybody thought this was this is brand new technology. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.320 What is this? We got to ban this, you know, 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.880 this is too good? And boom, there goes Jazz Chishom 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.120 hitting the home run. Boom, there goes Anthony Volpi hitting 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.720 a home run. And it just created this moment where 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.960 everybody just jumped on the bandwagon and thought, this is new, 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.319 this is this is there's something funny going on here 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.520 when reality actually it was nothing could be further from 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.560 the truth. It's like getting fitted for golf clubs. You know, 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:07.760 it's like a game improvement club, so to speak. You know, 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.480 the torpedo bet that gets the mass where you hit 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.760 the ball most often and not supposed to help you 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.640 a little bit, but it's certainly within the rules. There's 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:15.760 nothing to illegal about it. 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.760 What's the highest percentage you got for Hall of Fame votes? 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:20.000 Oh? 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.000 Gee, I was one and done. You know, I think 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:24.480 you had to get five percent. I was a little 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:26.559 under five percent. I think it was four percent each 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.040 something in that range, you know, And you know the 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.520 dynamics of the Hall of Fame vote, there's only ten 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.240 ten players you can vote on. In that particular year, 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:36.760 there was a lot of good players on the list, 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.120 so I just could I couldn't quite get enough to 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:39.960 stay on the ballot. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:41.079 Yeah, but you would. 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.000 You didn't win two hundred games, which probably you know, 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.560 we like round numbers. But you were on five World 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:51.959 Series champions. You want to say, young, that pretty good resume. 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.360 I have no complaints, you know. I mean another reason, 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.320 you know why I like modern analytics is because war 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.880 the War ran. Whether you use fan graphs, you know 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.440 what these websites that sort of calculate the war rankings. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:08.280 It's Baseball Reference B War or f War, fangrafts War. 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.040 They're they're both a little different in terms of pitching. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.240 Ones based on era, ones based on fit field or 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.520 independent pitching. So it gets a little technical. But you know, 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.280 I'm around sixty war, you know, on both of those categories, 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.920 and that's kind of the the entry point to being 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.080 considered for the Hall of Fame. But I still kind 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.680 of think I'm a classic borderline guy. And when I 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.320 look at my generation, I can really kind of count 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.760 on five on one hand, the who the guys were, 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:39.360 you know, I mean, let me think Trandy Johnson, Greg Maddox, Smoltz, 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.680 you know, Pedro Martinez, even Roger Clemens, you know, all 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:44.840 the controversy aside. 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.600 I mean, ibnut to knowing. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.720 Chilling absolutely is above me in my mind. Absolutely, you know, 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.080 put the politics aside, or whether you like them or not, 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.800 or morality or whatever. I mean, I'm not sure if 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.400 I want all the sports writers, the guys that I 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.840 hung out with in the hotel bars all those years, 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.400 those guys to beat the boil judge you know, of anybody, 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.400 I tell you the truth, but Kurt shown is a 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:08.000 Hall of famer. 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.440 I always thought that Pedro Martinez was underrated. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.560 Absolutely. I think if you talk to a lot of 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.160 hitters who faced him, they would say, he's the toughest 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.880 cal Ricken Junior. Ask cal Ricken Junior, who the toughest 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.280 pitcher he ever faced? And that's cal He played every day, 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.720 he didn't miss anybody. Yeah, Pedro, Pedro's the answer, you know. 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:29.800 So that tells you kind of what you need to 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.280 know about who you didn't want to face, your least 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.040 likely picture that you wanted to face. And a lot 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:35.960 of guys would say Pedro. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:36.400 Yeah. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.720 I always viewed him as kind of a right handed 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.800 Sandy Kofax. He just put up incredible, incredible numbers there, 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.880 great to talk to you tell Michael Kay, we said 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:47.520 he alone and thanks for joining us. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:49.880 It's my pleasure Dan anytime. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:50.880 That's David Kohne. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.440 I think he had but one and ninety two wins 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.160 something like that and was on five World Series Champions 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.400 and a cy Young winner and Can City I believe. 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:02.720 Yeah, Paulin, he was. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.040 One ninety four and one, twenty six and seventeen seasons. Okay, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.520 isn't that like the Frank Gore of his sport? Like 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.480 you compiled it? He won twenty games at age twenty five. 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.400 He won twenty games at age thirty six. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.120 Yeah, he didn't. He didn't win another like Frank Gore. 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.160 Is what top five and rushing? Yeah, you know Coney didn't. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.680 He didn't if he had two like Tommy John to 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.320 me as a Hall of Famer, he had two hundred 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.560 and eighty eight, that would be like a Frank Gore. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.280 He had sustainability for a long period of time. And 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.280 you know Don Sutton got into the Hall of Fame. 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.760 I think he was a compiler. Yeah, paulinon Cone was 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.080 also eight and three as a postseason answer. Yeah, I 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:40.520 like bonus, Yeah, I like that. 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:42.840 All right, get phone calls coming. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.360 Up and let me see anything else that needs to 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.440 be mentioned. 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