WEBVTT - Ba-Gawk! How Peacocks Work

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry's here too, And I can't think of anything hilarious

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<v Speaker 2>to say, so I'm just going to say this is

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<v Speaker 2>stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. A live show listener request edition because peacocks

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<v Speaker 1>came to us. Did you get her name? Or can

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<v Speaker 1>we just say the wonderful young girl at our Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>live show?

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<v Speaker 2>I really want to say Sarah, but I'm not sure. So,

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<v Speaker 2>whoever you are, young girl who suggested peacocks at the

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta show, right in to tell us your name so

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<v Speaker 2>we can tell everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so this is a great idea. We're talking about peacocks,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, if you want to look at the word itself,

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<v Speaker 1>it's English and it is derived from the Latin word pavo,

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<v Speaker 1>and in Old English that was pronounced pah wah pawa,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was shortened over the years to poe eventually pocock,

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<v Speaker 1>then palcock, and I guess peacock. And it's linked a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit to this old expression proud as a poe,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, you know how a peacock kind of struts

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<v Speaker 1>around all prideful, and then eventually it became peacock.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you would think it would have become peacock

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<v Speaker 2>like in the nineteen fifties or sixties, but no, it

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<v Speaker 2>became peacock as far back as the thirteen hundreds. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's it for etymology of peacock. But there's a

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<v Speaker 2>little more about the word peacock, because a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>you are getting things wrong and you need to be corrected, Yeah, harshly.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes a peacock is specifically the male of the species. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>the p hen is the female. So if you see

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<v Speaker 2>a brown, kind of drab looking peacock, he's you look

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<v Speaker 2>at that brown peacock, Well, you just sound like a

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<v Speaker 2>hay seed. Yeah, it's a p hen and she's not drabbed,

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<v Speaker 2>she's camouflaged.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Their little babies cairlled pea chicks. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to talk as we're going to about the

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<v Speaker 1>the species as a whole, we're going to be saying

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<v Speaker 1>p fowl. And then we will you know, when we

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<v Speaker 1>say cock, we're going to mean male. When we say hn,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to mean lady. And when we say chick

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to mean beebe Okay, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>We've really laid it out.

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<v Speaker 1>There are three main species, speaking of laying this out

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<v Speaker 1>of the pa fowl. Uh and you have the most

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<v Speaker 1>common that you if you live in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>and you've seen one, maybe in a zoo, maybe in

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<v Speaker 1>a park, or maybe startting around your neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have some walking around our area too.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, is it? I mean the same ones from

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<v Speaker 1>many years ago, because you told the story years ago

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<v Speaker 1>about the sound of the peacock.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, no, those were those were Yumi's grandma's peacock. Neighborhood peacocks.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, And for some reason, the ones that live

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<v Speaker 2>around me are not a disturbance at all. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>they make their sounds, but few and it's few and

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<v Speaker 2>far between. It's not annoying at all. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>cute and it's just a different experience than it was

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<v Speaker 2>around Jumi's grandma's house.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, fair enough. I mean I've talked before about

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<v Speaker 1>my neighborhood peacocks. I have not seen them in a

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<v Speaker 1>few years, so I don't know if they're still around.

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<v Speaker 1>And the house is on my morning dog walk, so

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen those peacocks around in a little while

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<v Speaker 1>those p fowl, So I'm not sure if they're around,

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<v Speaker 1>but we used to see them occasionally and it was

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<v Speaker 1>all great fun. But where I started ten minutes ago

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<v Speaker 1>saying is if you see one of those in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, you're probably almost certainly looking at a blue

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<v Speaker 1>pfowl or an Indian p fowl.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. They are not native to the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>although they thrive and coastal wormish areas, kind of muggy areas,

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<v Speaker 2>you could say, too, although also arid areas anyway, California

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<v Speaker 2>and Florida. Let's just specify that they do really well there.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're native to India, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly. They're the most common, little less common, but

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<v Speaker 1>still more common than The third group is the green

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<v Speaker 1>p fowl or the Javanese p fowl, so native to Java,

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<v Speaker 1>Southeast Asia and me and mar And then what's our

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<v Speaker 1>little third grouping.

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<v Speaker 2>The Congo p fowl. That's right, little it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>little mini turkey. He looks like they look like they're

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<v Speaker 2>native to the Congo basin in Africa, and the Indian

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<v Speaker 2>and Javanese p fowl prefer kind of open ish fields.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe kind of tree lined streets. That's why they

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<v Speaker 2>love neighborhoods parks like it replicates their native of habitat.

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<v Speaker 2>The congo pea fowl prefer to live in the forest itself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, So that's that's where they like to live.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter which kind of pea fowl you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>they're all going to be omnivores. They eat lots of

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<v Speaker 1>seeds and berries and you know, plant life and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, as well as some insects. But they'll also

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<v Speaker 1>much down on a mouse or a little cute lizard

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<v Speaker 1>or a snake if they want to. If they're feeling peckish,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Get a peckish. So they are among the largest flying

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<v Speaker 2>birds in the world. At Something a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>don't realize about p fowl is that they can fly. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 2>the green pea fowl fowl, yeah I said that right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>is a pretty strong flyer. The Indian or blue pea

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<v Speaker 2>fowl is not great. But they can make it to

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<v Speaker 2>the roof of a two story building. Yeah, pretty fast.

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<v Speaker 2>If a dog like Mamo barks at them, I can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've seen that too.

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<v Speaker 2>So they can fly and they are very large too.

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<v Speaker 2>Blue pea fowl the most common one. They're the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>of the three. The adult male can measure fifty inches.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little over four feet. God knows how many

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<v Speaker 2>meters we're talking about, let's say one point two. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's train, so that what you think of as the

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<v Speaker 2>tail feathers are actually not the tail. They actually protrude

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<v Speaker 2>out of the back of the pea fowl or the

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<v Speaker 2>peacock in this case. That can be five to seven

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<v Speaker 2>feet long. So they are a big, big bird, not

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<v Speaker 2>big bird size, but there's.

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<v Speaker 1>Still a big that's right. And as you'll see, that

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<v Speaker 1>big beautiful train is a big part of the mating ritual.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you see that thing fully displayed, when that

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<v Speaker 1>peacock wants to have a little good time with a

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<v Speaker 1>p hen, that thing may go five to seven feet

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<v Speaker 1>in every direction.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing, very very long.

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<v Speaker 1>Arch.

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<v Speaker 2>They also use it to defend their territory. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a guy laying pavers once, and he was apparently laying

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<v Speaker 2>pavers on a peacock's territory because the peacock had his

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<v Speaker 2>train like fully fanned out. Oh really, it was like

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<v Speaker 2>shaking and staring at the guy like, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>kill you if you don't stop laying pavers right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, the guy just completely ignored him. It was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty funny to see because that peacock was quite serious.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet so. The blue adult male peacock is about

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<v Speaker 1>a thirteen pounder if you don't count wild turkeys, which

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<v Speaker 1>are usually put into a different family, although they can

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<v Speaker 1>be in the pheasant family. They are the largest. The

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<v Speaker 1>peacock that is is the largest in the pheasant family.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to take a shot at the family

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<v Speaker 2>name for the turkeys. No, I wouldn't gun on it,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can, uh, Millia Gridi Day. Yeah, great, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I got it. I didn't even practice that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Good job.

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<v Speaker 2>But those turkeys, did you say they can weigh up

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<v Speaker 2>to thirty pounds?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say that about the turkeys, but yeah, they're big.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big turkey. It's like the baby hweie types.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I got that turkey family living in living at

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<v Speaker 1>my camp. There's six or eight of them now, they're

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<v Speaker 1>just they hang around together. I get them on the

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<v Speaker 1>camp camp. It's just lovely.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, are they used to your presence or because those

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<v Speaker 2>things run? They have really sharp eyesight, and they scatter quick.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, I mean sadly. All the wonderful camp activity

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<v Speaker 1>is when I'm not there. Well, I have a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>that they peer through the woods and they're like other

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<v Speaker 1>guys are down there again?

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<v Speaker 2>Right to leave tomorrow, spending a weekend like standing up

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<v Speaker 2>against the tree and not moving seeing what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'll do that, though you should.

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<v Speaker 2>Buy yourself some nice camouflage clothing first, though it'll help

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<v Speaker 2>a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I've already got that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So I also said that the blue pea hens

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<v Speaker 2>are sometimes considered drab, and I mean compared to the males.

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<v Speaker 2>They are not quite as easy on the eyes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But they're brown in their drab because the female blue

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<v Speaker 2>pea hens are responsible for guarding their nests, and even

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<v Speaker 2>though they spend a lot of time roosting in trees,

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<v Speaker 2>very often they sleep over night in trees. They build

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<v Speaker 2>their nests on the ground and little depressions on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground lined with sticks, and so they have to defend

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<v Speaker 2>that nest at all times. The easiest way to defend

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<v Speaker 2>it is to not be seen, so they steer clear

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<v Speaker 2>of being seen by things like leopards and tigers and

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<v Speaker 2>mongoose and all that by blending in with the surrounding.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrain and momos.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Momo doesn't actually want to predate the peacock. She

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<v Speaker 2>just wants it to know, like, this is Momo's yard. Yeah, peacock,

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<v Speaker 2>let them know who's boss, right, exactly, Momo's boss.

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<v Speaker 1>So the green pea fowl, you know, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a little bit about all of them, even

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<v Speaker 1>though the blue are the most common, but the green,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's not mating season, you may not be able

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<v Speaker 1>to tell them apart. They both have that really nice

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<v Speaker 1>green neck, that sort of light green here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>And during mating season is when you're going to see

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<v Speaker 1>the male's train grow a lot longer. But then they

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<v Speaker 1>molten they shed those so more or less they look

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<v Speaker 1>about the same when it's not mating season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they're both very, very beautiful. They have amazingly

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful feathers as well. The little congo pea fowl, they're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of cute, dark blue neck feathers and dark green

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<v Speaker 2>and black train. Females are also brown, but they they're

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<v Speaker 2>just not Nothing can beat a blue peacock, Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>just can't. I'm sorry. That's a hill I'll die on

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<v Speaker 2>if I have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's fantastic. And if you have one in your

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood and as a pet in captivity, if one of

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<v Speaker 1>your neighbors does, you may just get used to that

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<v Speaker 1>sound and get used to seeing them because they could

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<v Speaker 1>live forty to fifty years when kept his pets. Not

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting that they be kept his pets. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 1>that people do that. They live about ten to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years in the wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They can also kind of haul pretty. They can

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<v Speaker 2>run up to ten miles an hour when they need to.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you got to get a good running start if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to get off the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess with their little like aviator goggles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh you want to take a break, Yeah all right,

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<v Speaker 2>well we're going.

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<v Speaker 1>To do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody watch this.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's high time that we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>what everybody thinks of when they think of peacocks, which

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<v Speaker 2>is that amazing train of feathers spread out in a

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<v Speaker 2>fan behind him, and it's correct to see him and

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<v Speaker 2>this is all part of the mating ritual, right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the whole point of the those feathers. Again, the peacocks

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<v Speaker 2>will use it to try to or off or intimidate

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<v Speaker 2>trespassers in their territory, but for the most part, the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing is to impress the pea hens.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And when a male wants to impress a

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<v Speaker 1>p hen, that peacock will prop up those feathers into

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<v Speaker 1>a big, beautiful fan. Dave likens it. Dave helped us

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<v Speaker 1>with this to like an inverted umbrella, So it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, when you see this sort of pointed

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<v Speaker 1>back from their butthole area towards and they will shake

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<v Speaker 1>those feathers, and the shaking isn't just like, hey, look

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<v Speaker 1>how pretty and iridescent this gorgeous train is. Science has

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<v Speaker 1>discovered semi recently that those vibrations are in lockstep with

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<v Speaker 1>the p fowl's head feathers that they used to think

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<v Speaker 1>were just for show, but now they realize they are.

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<v Speaker 1>They vibrate at the same intensity, and that they can actually,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of feel when those tail feathers are

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<v Speaker 1>vibrating in their direction through their head feathers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're like receivers.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that neat super cool?

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<v Speaker 2>They resonate at at the same rate the male peacock

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<v Speaker 2>when he shakes those those feathers that fan, he can

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<v Speaker 2>shake it at more than twenty five times a second,

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<v Speaker 2>and that resonance I think it's like twenty five point

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<v Speaker 2>six hurts to be exact. That just happens to be

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<v Speaker 2>tuned in almost precisely to the cress feathers on the

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<v Speaker 2>pea fowl's head. And in addition to the site, apparently

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<v Speaker 2>p hens have amazing sight, so they're seeing everything that

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<v Speaker 2>the peacock's showing them, but also they're they're feeling it

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<v Speaker 2>like they're there. That's transmitting that vibration or resonance is

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<v Speaker 2>transmitting to their head. So it's quite a like you're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to turn down a peacock if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>p hen. They're pretty amazing dudes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And before we get emails, I'm sure Josh

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<v Speaker 1>will admit that when you said it just happens to

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<v Speaker 1>vibrate the same frequency, that is no accident at all.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called natural selection. Baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, sure, you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheeky, But I'm sure somebody would write in and say, no, Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't just happen to vibrate that way. It's by design.

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<v Speaker 2>Intelligent design people.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean no, no creationists, no by design as natural selection.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very teleological.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what that means. What's that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>It means that that everything has a purpose. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was like design to be a certain way.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. See, people, when you don't know a word,

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay to say I don't know what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>It sure is, Chuck, that's a great example. This set.

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<v Speaker 1>So and you didn't talk down to me. You told

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<v Speaker 1>me the definition. Now I'm a little bit smarter because

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<v Speaker 1>of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wasn't like a dummy. Listen up.

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<v Speaker 1>Teleological, all right, So we need to cover this part

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<v Speaker 1>of the mating ritual because the fact of the matter

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<v Speaker 1>is the peacock loves to get around the block, if

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. They have a social structure

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<v Speaker 1>called a lech l e k, which is basically a harem,

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<v Speaker 1>and the male is gonna mate with several females. But

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<v Speaker 1>here's the part that's a little maybe not intuitive. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though the male is mating with many females, the male

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<v Speaker 1>isn't running the show as far as who he gets

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<v Speaker 1>to do that with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he's putting on this huge show not to

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<v Speaker 2>be like, I'm hypnotizing you, baby, do my bidding. He's

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<v Speaker 2>doing it because he's like, check me out, don't you

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<v Speaker 2>like me? Like look at this isn't aren't I amazing?

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<v Speaker 2>And the female can either be like I've seen better

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<v Speaker 2>or she could be like, yeah, you're right up my alley.

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<v Speaker 2>You just happen to be vibrating at my residence, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's telelogical.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah. So one of the ways that a male

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<v Speaker 2>will make himself seem even more virile than he is,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something called the hoot dash noise, and just the

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<v Speaker 2>hoot is the noise part. It's called a hoot dash

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<v Speaker 2>because right after the male hoots, he dashes toward the

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<v Speaker 2>female and they start mating. Right, it's actually quite disturbing

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<v Speaker 2>to see a lot of mating in the animal world

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<v Speaker 2>is really disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>This saw video too, It's like the dash was very

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<v Speaker 1>close to the hoot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's what the noise is called. So the

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<v Speaker 2>males realize that like the more hoot dashing or hoot

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<v Speaker 2>sounds that they make the more females in earshot but

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<v Speaker 2>not in eyeshot. I guess well here, oh wow, Like

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<v Speaker 2>Terry really gets it on with a lot of p hens.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give him a shot next time he

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<v Speaker 2>comes around, because he must be very virile. Like a

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<v Speaker 2>third of those hoot dash sounds are faked essentially, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So when that finally happens, the female p hen will

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<v Speaker 1>scratch out a little depression in the ground basically and

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<v Speaker 1>line it with sticks, and that's their little They're going

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<v Speaker 1>to layford to eggs that are gonna hatch after four weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>and those little pea chicks are up and around pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much right out of the gate. It'll take them a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks to fly. And those boys that are

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<v Speaker 1>peacocks aren't gonna get those train feathers until their second year.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, why don't you just chill for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years and not think about that thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they are so cute too. Do not rely on

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<v Speaker 2>the internet for what a baby peacock looks like? Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a great example to demonstrate how much AI

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<v Speaker 2>is just screwing the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. If you go on Google image search for baby peacocks,

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<v Speaker 2>like people think that there's pictures of like a giant

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<v Speaker 2>or like a miniatureized cute, big eyed peacock, and that

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<v Speaker 2>that's a baby peacock. They all look like p hens,

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<v Speaker 2>like little brown p hens. But even if they're peacocks,

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<v Speaker 2>that's how they start out. So just check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Just search the baby peacock for images, and it's a lie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lie for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the cutest little iridescent blue baby duckling thing I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, but it doesn't exist. That's not real. Hey, don't

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<v Speaker 2>blame me, blame the AI running the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those eyes are suspiciously large and disney like.

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<v Speaker 2>So. One other thing about the pea chicks is that

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<v Speaker 2>they stay with their mom for two to six months,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on whether they're in captivity in the wild. Moms

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<v Speaker 2>are much more maternal instinct wise in the wild than

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<v Speaker 2>they are in captivity, so you know, depends on the

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<v Speaker 2>situation how long they hang around them. But just watching,

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<v Speaker 2>have you ever seen a p hen with their little

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<v Speaker 2>pea chicks following her?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh no, I've just seen the turkey version at the camp.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very cute. Oh my god, I'll bet baby turkeys

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<v Speaker 2>are pretty cute too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the following around is just very cute because like

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<v Speaker 1>mom's up front and there's like six little guys and

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<v Speaker 1>girls just following it along like I can keep up,

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<v Speaker 1>I can keep up.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's always one straggler that has to like run

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<v Speaker 2>faster when the group.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Barney, love that guy who Barney.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a perfect name.

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<v Speaker 1>So the dads, as far as blue and green peacocks go,

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<v Speaker 1>are not around. There are complete absentee dads. But hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're feeling bad for the family unit, just go

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<v Speaker 1>to the congo because those congo p fowl are monogamous.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have those leks. They like one lady and

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<v Speaker 1>they hang around and feed and raise pea chicks with mommy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah pretty great.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, yeah, it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think we should talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>natural selection, sexual selection Charles Darwin, kind of what you

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<v Speaker 2>were alluding to earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, because Charles Darwin was bringing a little too

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<v Speaker 1>much of his human baggage to some of this research.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems pretty clear, don't.

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<v Speaker 2>You think, Uh huh for sure?

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<v Speaker 1>And how was he doing that?

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<v Speaker 2>So Darwin grew up or lived in the Victorian era

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<v Speaker 2>where women were viewed as passive, submissive. They were just

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<v Speaker 2>there and had their fingers crossed that a man of

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<v Speaker 2>adequate dashingness would come along and marry them, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>that meant that it was the men, the males of

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<v Speaker 2>the Victorian era human species in England at least, that

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<v Speaker 2>were responsible for sexual selection. They chose the winners and

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<v Speaker 2>the losers among women. Well, Darwin was looking around the

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<v Speaker 2>world of nature basically all the other animals, and was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not really what I'm seeing out there. And in

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<v Speaker 2>the peacocks in particular, the females are again drab, really camouflaged,

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<v Speaker 2>while the males have these amazing beautiful displays. That strongly

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<v Speaker 2>suggests that the males are performing for the females and

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<v Speaker 2>it's the females who are doing the sexual selecting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had such a hard time wrestling with this.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a quote from him that said the sight of

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<v Speaker 2>a pea feather made him sick, right because he could

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<v Speaker 2>not give in. And he finally was you know, science

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<v Speaker 2>got the better of him. And he's like, that's just

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<v Speaker 2>how it is. I don't like it. But females in

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<v Speaker 2>the animal kingdom are typically the ones who select sexually

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<v Speaker 2>and end up are the They're the drivers of natural selection.

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<v Speaker 2>They choose what passes on to the next generation based

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<v Speaker 2>on the kind of male mates that they choose.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And that choosing is based on that flashy

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<v Speaker 1>display that we're going to talk a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about as far as the colors and stuff go, and

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<v Speaker 1>that vibration. But if they're science behind that, or is

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<v Speaker 1>there science behind that? Yes, In nineteen ninety four it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it, at least there were some researchers in

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<v Speaker 1>Britain that found that the bigger peacocks that had more

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<v Speaker 1>eye spots, you know, they look like eyes. What are

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<v Speaker 1>they called.

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<v Speaker 2>Asily ocelli In the Italian it'd be celli because ce

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<v Speaker 2>followed by a vowel is a just sound. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>just go with Italian, say, oh chelly.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. But the more of those they have, and the

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<v Speaker 1>larger that they are, and the more just big and

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful they are, it looks like the larger offspring they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have that are going to be more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to survive. So it seems like they are more genetically fit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and those eye spots play a real starring role

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<v Speaker 2>in this whole sexual selection mating process. Right. So the

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<v Speaker 2>feathers in and of themselves are pretty amazing, but the

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<v Speaker 2>eye spots, these little dots with different colors on them

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<v Speaker 2>that are across like a like, scattered all across the

0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:40.720
<v Speaker 2>train feathers the fan. They are of a slightly different

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<v Speaker 2>structure slightly different density than the rest of the feathers

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<v Speaker 2>surrounding them. So when that train resonates at twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>point six hurts, they appear to stand still and float

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<v Speaker 2>against the background of the other feathers that are vibrating

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<v Speaker 2>at the same frequency, but are just of a slightly

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<v Speaker 2>different density. And this is so important. These o'celly. The

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<v Speaker 2>eye spots are so important. The scientists have figured out

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<v Speaker 2>that other species that also have eye spots aren't. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't share a common ancestor with peacocks that had eye spots. Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Eye spots evolved separately over different times among different species.

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<v Speaker 2>They're that important for mating.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And thanks to our listener Mail in the

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby Ridge episode, it's called conversion evolution and not co evolution.

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<v Speaker 2>Very nice. I say we take a break then, since

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<v Speaker 2>we're done talking about eye spots, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll finish up with that three right after this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, wait, there was one more thing about eye spots.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait stop, the presses Jerry roll tape.

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<v Speaker 2>Researchers have figured out for sure the eye spots play

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<v Speaker 2>a big role, because some poor schmoe of a peacock

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<v Speaker 2>had his eye spots covered up and they said, go

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<v Speaker 2>out to ladies night and see what happens, and he

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<v Speaker 2>got nothing from nobody. Ever will his eye spots were

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<v Speaker 2>covered up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the copulation The quote is their copulation success declined

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<v Speaker 1>to almost zero.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost. They were just being nice.

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<v Speaker 1>They were all right, now are we breaking Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any other breaking news.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, everybody tick five, then we're back stop. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we are back to finish up with peacocks, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk a little bit about something we did

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<v Speaker 1>an entire episode on, and that is iridescent h This

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<v Speaker 1>was a this was many years ago that we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>up on iridescence. And there's if you want to really

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<v Speaker 1>deep dive on the science of it, you can go

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<v Speaker 1>listen to that ep. But what we're looking at in

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>the case of peacock feathers and why they look aridescent

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:18.879
<v Speaker 1>and are just so shiny and majestic looking is because

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>of the shape. It's a physical shape of something and

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:25.480
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily a color of something, right.

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the pigments that are in the peacock's tail feathers

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 2>are melanin, and melanin typically looks brown to us. It's

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 2>what gives human skin kind of brown cast to it.

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:43.240
<v Speaker 2>That is melanin pigment. And it's no different than a

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 2>peacock's feathers, but the structure is totally different. Like you said,

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:51.439
<v Speaker 2>there's a crystalline structure of overlaying barbs that if you

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 2>look on an electron microscope you can see quite clearly.

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 2>And those barbs, those crystal barbs of melanin, there's like

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:02.120
<v Speaker 2>little gaps between them, and in fact, it creates what's

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 2>called a partial band gap, which means that electromagnetic waves

0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 2>do not penetrate some area depending on where that light

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:16.440
<v Speaker 2>is hitting. To put simply chuck. Depending on which angle,

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:23.480
<v Speaker 2>which direction, light hits these melanin rods, the crystalline melanin rods,

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:27.440
<v Speaker 2>it's going to reflect or absorb all different kinds of light.

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 2>And so the same structure can reflect or absorb different

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:34.119
<v Speaker 2>kinds of light depending on where the light hits it,

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:36.199
<v Speaker 2>which means if you're looking at it one way and

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:39.200
<v Speaker 2>you move slightly left, you're looking at a different part

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>of that structure, and it's reflecting different colored light, and

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 2>that's how iridescence comes along.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, partial band gap, not to be confused with

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the partial gap band, which is the sad tour. When

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 1>two out of three of those guys went out on

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<v Speaker 1>the road.

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:56.920
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a very good tour, was it.

0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a very good joke. What I couldn't help

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 1>my Yeah, I mean that's eridesnence in a nutshell. That's

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 1>basically how it works in across nature. It's just about

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:12.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, the structure of the thing, and like, you know,

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 1>what do we talk about? You talked about fish and

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:20.159
<v Speaker 1>butterfly wings mainly. I think on that episode.

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 2>It's so neat And yeah, it's just the structure. If

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 2>you take a bunch of crystals and pile them on

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 2>top of each other and little weird repeating patterns, they're

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:31.680
<v Speaker 2>going to become iridescent. It's gorgeous. Apparently Isaac Newton figured

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 2>it out all the way back in seventeen oh four. Yeah,

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 2>based on aggressive Yeah, based on peacock feathers. He said,

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 2>check these out, man, I know what's going on. You'll

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 2>just have to find out that's right.

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 1>We do need to talk about their yelp because it's

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.359
<v Speaker 1>a you know, I mean, you used to do a

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:53.399
<v Speaker 1>pretty good impression. You want to try it?

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Help?

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Hell, it always sounds like help.

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.440
<v Speaker 2>That's what it sounds like to me. It's uncanny and unnerving.

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is. And I always laughed at that years

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:06.879
<v Speaker 1>ago until like we got our own neighborhood peacocks, and

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 1>then I would hear it occasionally and I was like, yeah,

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Josh's right, or is Josh in that backyard right now?

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Like it's one of those two things is happening. Yeah,

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.719
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty shrill. It can get annoying if you live

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 1>near one. I don't mind it so much because I

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't live a next door to one, but it's usually

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>in the morning and evening during mating season. It can

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>pick up a bit. So I don't know if there

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>were complaints or if these local peacocks just you know,

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 1>met their natural end. You know. I don't know if

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 1>they were taken out, or if they were moved to

0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>a farm, you know what I'm saying, yeah, or if

0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 1>they just had little peace strokes that's bad.

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:53.200
<v Speaker 2>They were elf struck. So they also they honked too, Like,

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't even do the honk and the goose that's

0:28:57.000 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 2>that hoot dash thing sounds kind of like, oh yeah

0:28:59.640 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 2>it does.

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm a little hankish.

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they can do that a lot too, And

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 2>if you put it all together, yeah, it can be

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 2>very annoying. But I chuck, I cannot figure out what

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 2>the difference is between Umi's grandma's neighborhood my neighborhood, because

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I have a completely different opinion of the annoyance level

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 2>of peacocks. Now I don't understand why, but there's the facts.

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, maybe you aged into it, I guess.

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 2>So I'm older wives or gentler. Yeah, we're peacock loving.

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Sure, I think we all get that way. Sure, all right,

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about the history of these things. Jumping

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 1>back a little bit a few thousand years ago. The

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 1>ancient Phoenicians were the first folks to say, hey, these

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>things are great, Let's move them around to different places,

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 1>because these things strutting around a palace is really something

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 1>to see. So they brought them from India to Syria.

0:29:56.200 --> 0:30:00.080
<v Speaker 1>They were traded around the Mediterranean at that point, and

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 1>they did become like a status symbol if you were

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 1>nobility or royalty, or had a lot of money or

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 1>lived in a palace, then you probably wanted to some

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>peacock strolling around your property.

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you might also want to eat them. Bow, I

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 2>forgot to send you this thing that I found. The

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Romans ate them, but they specifically liked their tongues. Peacock

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 2>tongue was a delicacy in ancient Roman times in the

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Middle Ages.

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Wait, where are you going to send me?

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 2>This is what I'm about to tell you.

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I thought You're gonna send me a peacock

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 1>tongu in the male Flashow.

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Why is this so? In the Middle Ages in Europe,

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 2>they would actually eat peacock like the whole thing, but

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 2>they figured out a way to remove the skin so

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 2>that the feathers all came off too. Then they would

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 2>roast the bird, and then they would redress it with

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 2>its feathers to be served at to the lord of

0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>the manor by the most beautiful girl at the party.

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I guess, yeah, And then it would just sit there

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 2>for a little while. They would carve into it, eat

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 2>it and have a lot of trouble digesting it because

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 2>apparently it's really tough. So much so that doctors of

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 2>the time were like, don't eat peacock. It's really just

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 2>not good for you.

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 1>So they would just stick the feathers back in it

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 1>in an ornamental way.

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 2>The picture I saw, the painting I saw made it

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.080
<v Speaker 2>look like they did a pretty good job of it. Yeah, yeah,

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>making it look like it was alive again.

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Interesting. I think even a lot of meat eaters

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 1>appreciate the animal not looking like its original form when

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>it's on the plate.

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Sure right, you don't really want to recognize it?

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Like it? You know, I love a brainzeno, but

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't like that fish head looking up at me.

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, you don't like roly poly fish heads?

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.959
<v Speaker 1>Uh no, I don't want to see it. But I'll

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>still dine on a braanzeno. I got a friend whose

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>brother will take that eyeball out and eat it right

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>at the table in front of everybody.

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Wrong with that guy.

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, supposedly that's the thing to do, you know,

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 1>use all the animal. But I just I don't want

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 1>to eat an eyeball.

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 2>No to ever tell you. By the time we went

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 2>to H and F and like we we just went

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 2>too far. No, so for everybody who doesn't know. H

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 2>and F is a restaurant in Atlanta, and they're well

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 2>known for like using all parts of the animal. Yeah,

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 2>and we went and we were like, if you go

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>further down the menu like gets more and more hardcore.

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 2>We just kind of tried it one time and we

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 2>got as far as fried chicken heads or beaks, which

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of the head attached still in goodness,

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 2>like the whole table just kind of it just took

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 2>a dark turn and everybody stopped talking and it was

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 2>a bad jam. So I don't recommend the fried chicken

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 2>beaks at Homan and Finch anymore.

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>That sounds too much like a mcnoggan. You remember that, No,

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I think I sent it to you years ago. It

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>was supposedly in the thing a chicken nuggets, but it

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>was a a deep fried little chicken head that got

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 1>through and they called it the mcnoggan.

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 2>That is what HNF sells as a as a dish.

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 1>All right. It's been very instructive, for sure.

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>I know, our poor, our poor live show fan Sarah

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>is like, I know, sorry, I.

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Asked for it, Yeah, I said, butthole earlier too. This

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>is going downhill, all right, so back to history in

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 1>peacocks Lord Krishna in the Hindu tradition, where's peacock feathers

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>is a head dress, and there have been many other

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>examples over the years in Greek mythology and Roman mythology

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>about the peacock. I believe Harrah even had peacocks pulling

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 1>her chariot.

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 2>At ten miles an hour.

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 2>She she was protected by a giant named Argus who

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 2>had one hundred eyes, and he was killed by Hermes,

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 2>and so she brought him back as the peacock. That's

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 2>a great story. Yeah, there's also the cock throne, right.

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the peacock throne is one of the most expensive

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:10.280
<v Speaker 1>things that's ever been made. If it drives at home,

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I think it was about twice the cost of the

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:18.399
<v Speaker 1>taj Maha to build this one throne, which had oh,

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty five hundred pounds of gold, five hundred pounds, not

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 1>five hundred precious stones, five hundred pounds of precious stones.

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Including the Corey Newer diamond, which is one hundred and

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:35.720
<v Speaker 2>five carrot diamond. Pretty amazing stuff. They managed. The Mughal

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Empire in India managed to hang on to the throne

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 2>for about one hundred years until they were invaded by

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:45.840
<v Speaker 2>the Persians, I believe, who were like, we're taking this throne.

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 2>This is essentially the reason we invaded was to get

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 2>this throne, and they disassembled it and basically sold it

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 2>off for parts. Right. Yeah, but if you go onto

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.760
<v Speaker 2>the Internet and you search peacock throne, you will see

0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 2>photographs of a peacock throne that looks pretty amazing, and

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:04.800
<v Speaker 2>you will say, well, how could this have been destroyed

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:08.720
<v Speaker 2>back in the seventeenth or eighteenth century? And the reason

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:11.360
<v Speaker 2>why is because what you're looking at is the replica

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:16.439
<v Speaker 2>that King Ludwig the Second of Bavaria, our friend, the

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 2>fairy tale King, had constructed for his castle. Nushwe look

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 2>at that, Nushefinstein. Yeah, which one?

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:29.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm just amazed that you brought that around.

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Nice work, thanks, any Uschefinstein sounds great.

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Nuschwinstein. Yeah, any chance I have to bring King Ludwig

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 2>the Second into the story, I'm going to take it.

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:40.839
<v Speaker 1>Well, you had that shirt made.

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:44.719
<v Speaker 2>That helps ask me about King Ludvig the Second.

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<v Speaker 1>Endangered? Yes or no? Indian bluefowl are not endangered. In fact,

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.440
<v Speaker 1>they're doing really, really well, and you mentioned you know,

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:57.239
<v Speaker 1>in places in Florida and even southern California, they can

0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:00.640
<v Speaker 1>get a little out of hand with their men. They

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:04.439
<v Speaker 1>can tear up foliage, and they can poop all over

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the place, and they can destroy habitats that other birds have.

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 1>So people sometimes now even are trapping them and giving

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 1>them vasectomies.

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a town called pine Crest, a suburb of Miami,

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>which is giving peacock's vasectomy. So if you couldn't have guessed,

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.800
<v Speaker 2>pine Crest is a rather well healed suburb of Miami

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 2>because a lot of towns can't afford to give peacocks vasectivey.

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.319
<v Speaker 1>That green pea fowl, they are under threat though they're

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>listed is endangered because they are from Southeast Asia and

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of their natural habitat has been done away

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 1>with thanks to land development and agricultural mowing down of

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:48.239
<v Speaker 1>their environment and also farmers who will poison them if

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 1>they come into their fields.

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's only I think ten twenty thousand left of

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:56.800
<v Speaker 2>them in the wild. Hopefully someone steps up, because losing

0:36:57.080 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 2>any animal to extinction sucks, but losing particularly beautiful ones

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 2>that their very presence makes the world a better place

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:09.360
<v Speaker 2>to live in those are You don't want to lose those.

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:11.920
<v Speaker 1>That's right. And as for the congo p fowl, we

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>don't want to forget about those spellas they are vulnerable,

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 1>also habitat loss and hunting, and they're about ten thousand

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 1>of those in the wild.

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Man alive.

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I know.

0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Let's see. I'm trying to think if there's anything else.

0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't really think we have anything else, do we?

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<v Speaker 1>I got nothing else?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? A group of pea fowl? You know? Yeah? What

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<v Speaker 2>is it? Collective nouns? Isn't that what they're called?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? Yeah, that was another name form something of something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I remember what you talking about. I don't remember

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<v Speaker 2>what it was too, but yeah, in this case, peacocks,

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<v Speaker 2>A group of peacocks are called a pride, an ostentation,

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<v Speaker 2>or a party, a peacock party. I like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>do too, I like all three of them. Well, since

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and I agreed that we like the collective nouns

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<v Speaker 2>for peacocks, then obviously we have just unlocked listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to call this Maine and Billboards. Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>longtime super fan of spreading the stuff. You should know

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<v Speaker 1>kool aid oh far and wide flavor eight. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they make any miles our drive to reach anywhere in

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<v Speaker 1>Maine flyby, So thanks for that. When you ask someone

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<v Speaker 1>in Maine how far away a destination is, be prepared

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<v Speaker 1>to often hear about an hour, but that can mean

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<v Speaker 1>forty five minutes to nearly two hours. Fun fact here

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<v Speaker 1>though about Maine. During a recent episode on Kadzu, you

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about how it takes over billboards, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know you get a lot of listener mail for Maine.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you might like to know an exciting factoid.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever been to Maine and marveled at it's

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<v Speaker 1>natural beauty? Well, part of that is due to something

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<v Speaker 1>that's missing billboards. Guys. Maine law does not allowed billboards

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<v Speaker 1>of any kind. They have a very prescriptive law regarding

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<v Speaker 1>signs not on business property AKA and main vernacular official

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<v Speaker 1>business directional signs. The rules are very strict and include

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<v Speaker 1>a special provision that rolling signs like ones attached to

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles cannot even be used to get around these requirements.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it is a thirty dollars license fee

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<v Speaker 1>to get a sign that can be forty eight inches

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<v Speaker 1>by twelve inches or seventy two inches by sixteen inches,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can only use two fonts. They must be

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<v Speaker 1>white with a single color background. And this is literally

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<v Speaker 1>just to say, like my pressure washing business is down

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<v Speaker 1>there or whatever. They say that people may consider billboards

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<v Speaker 1>to be detrimental to the preservation of scenic resources. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is a great law. And that's one reason we

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<v Speaker 1>love Maine. And that is from who is that from?

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<v Speaker 1>That's from Katrina Peterson.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Katrina. That is a very sensible, awesome law. I

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<v Speaker 2>love that. It's one of the worst things to see

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<v Speaker 2>when you're driving down the highways, to billboards. It is terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Great thanks for letting us know that. Hopefully as Main goes,

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the world follows. And if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to be like Katrina and get in touch with this

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<v Speaker 2>and let us know of a very sensible local law.

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