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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck.

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Speaker 2: Jerry's here too, And I can't think of anything hilarious

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Speaker 2: to say, so I'm just going to say this is

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Speaker 2: stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: That's right. A live show listener request edition because peacocks

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Speaker 1: came to us. Did you get her name? Or can

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Speaker 1: we just say the wonderful young girl at our Atlanta

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Speaker 1: live show?

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Speaker 2: I really want to say Sarah, but I'm not sure. So,

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Speaker 2: whoever you are, young girl who suggested peacocks at the

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Speaker 2: Atlanta show, right in to tell us your name so

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Speaker 2: we can tell everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is a great idea. We're talking about peacocks,

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Speaker 1: which is, if you want to look at the word itself,

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Speaker 1: it's English and it is derived from the Latin word pavo,

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Speaker 1: and in Old English that was pronounced pah wah pawa,

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Speaker 1: and that was shortened over the years to poe eventually pocock,

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Speaker 1: then palcock, and I guess peacock. And it's linked a

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Speaker 1: little bit to this old expression proud as a poe,

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Speaker 1: which is, you know how a peacock kind of struts

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Speaker 1: around all prideful, and then eventually it became peacock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you would think it would have become peacock

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Speaker 2: like in the nineteen fifties or sixties, but no, it

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Speaker 2: became peacock as far back as the thirteen hundreds. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so that's it for etymology of peacock. But there's a

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Speaker 2: little more about the word peacock, because a lot of

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Speaker 2: you are getting things wrong and you need to be corrected, Yeah, harshly.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes a peacock is specifically the male of the species. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: the p hen is the female. So if you see

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Speaker 2: a brown, kind of drab looking peacock, he's you look

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Speaker 2: at that brown peacock, Well, you just sound like a

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Speaker 2: hay seed. Yeah, it's a p hen and she's not drabbed,

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Speaker 2: she's camouflaged.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Their little babies cairlled pea chicks. And if

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Speaker 1: you want to talk as we're going to about the

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Speaker 1: the species as a whole, we're going to be saying

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Speaker 1: p fowl. And then we will you know, when we

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Speaker 1: say cock, we're going to mean male. When we say hn,

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Speaker 1: we're going to mean lady. And when we say chick

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Speaker 1: we're going to mean beebe Okay, I think.

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Speaker 2: We've really laid it out.

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Speaker 1: There are three main species, speaking of laying this out

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Speaker 1: of the pa fowl. Uh and you have the most

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Speaker 1: common that you if you live in the United States

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Speaker 1: and you've seen one, maybe in a zoo, maybe in

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Speaker 1: a park, or maybe startting around your neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have some walking around our area too.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, is it? I mean the same ones from

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Speaker 1: many years ago, because you told the story years ago

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Speaker 1: about the sound of the peacock.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, no, those were those were Yumi's grandma's peacock. Neighborhood peacocks.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, And for some reason, the ones that live

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Speaker 2: around me are not a disturbance at all. I mean

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Speaker 2: they make their sounds, but few and it's few and

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Speaker 2: far between. It's not annoying at all. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: cute and it's just a different experience than it was

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Speaker 2: around Jumi's grandma's house.

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Speaker 1: All right, fair enough. I mean I've talked before about

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Speaker 1: my neighborhood peacocks. I have not seen them in a

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Speaker 1: few years, so I don't know if they're still around.

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Speaker 1: And the house is on my morning dog walk, so

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen those peacocks around in a little while

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Speaker 1: those p fowl, So I'm not sure if they're around,

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Speaker 1: but we used to see them occasionally and it was

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Speaker 1: all great fun. But where I started ten minutes ago

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Speaker 1: saying is if you see one of those in the

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Speaker 1: United States, you're probably almost certainly looking at a blue

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Speaker 1: pfowl or an Indian p fowl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. They are not native to the United States,

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Speaker 2: although they thrive and coastal wormish areas, kind of muggy areas,

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Speaker 2: and Florida. Let's just specify that they do really well there.

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Speaker 2: But they're native to India, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. They're the most common, little less common, but

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Speaker 1: p fowl or the Javanese p fowl, so native to Java,

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Speaker 2: The Congo p fowl. That's right, little it's like a

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Speaker 2: and Javanese p fowl prefer kind of open ish fields.

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Speaker 2: The congo pea fowl prefer to live in the forest itself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: No matter which kind of pea fowl you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: they're all going to be omnivores. They eat lots of

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Speaker 2: Get a peckish. So they are among the largest flying

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Speaker 2: birds in the world. At Something a lot of people

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Speaker 2: don't realize about p fowl is that they can fly. Apparently,

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Speaker 2: is a pretty strong flyer. The Indian or blue pea

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Speaker 2: If a dog like Mamo barks at them, I can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that too.

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Speaker 2: So they can fly and they are very large too.

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Speaker 2: Blue pea fowl the most common one. They're the biggest

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Speaker 2: of the three. The adult male can measure fifty inches.

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Speaker 2: It's a little over four feet. God knows how many

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Speaker 2: tail feathers are actually not the tail. They actually protrude

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Speaker 2: out of the back of the pea fowl or the

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Speaker 2: peacock in this case. That can be five to seven

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Speaker 2: big bird size, but there's.

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Speaker 1: Still a big that's right. And as you'll see, that

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Speaker 1: So when you see that thing fully displayed, when that

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, very very long.

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Speaker 2: They also use it to defend their territory. I saw

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Speaker 2: a guy laying pavers once, and he was apparently laying

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Speaker 2: pavers on a peacock's territory because the peacock had his

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Speaker 2: train like fully fanned out. Oh really, it was like

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Speaker 2: kill you if you don't stop laying pavers right there.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, the guy just completely ignored him. It was

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Speaker 2: pretty funny to see because that peacock was quite serious.

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Speaker 1: I bet so. The blue adult male peacock is about

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Speaker 1: a thirteen pounder if you don't count wild turkeys, which

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Speaker 1: be in the pheasant family. They are the largest. The

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Speaker 1: peacock that is is the largest in the pheasant family.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to take a shot at the family

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Speaker 2: name for the turkeys. No, I wouldn't gun on it,

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Speaker 2: but you can, uh, Millia Gridi Day. Yeah, great, I

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Speaker 2: think I got it. I didn't even practice that one.

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Speaker 1: Good job.

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Speaker 2: But those turkeys, did you say they can weigh up

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Speaker 2: to thirty pounds?

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Speaker 1: I didn't say that about the turkeys, but yeah, they're big.

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Speaker 2: That's a big turkey. It's like the baby hweie types.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I got that turkey family living in living at

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Speaker 1: my camp. There's six or eight of them now, they're

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Speaker 1: just they hang around together. I get them on the

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Speaker 2: Well, are they used to your presence or because those

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Speaker 1: No, no, I mean sadly. All the wonderful camp activity

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Speaker 1: is when I'm not there. Well, I have a feeling

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Speaker 2: Right to leave tomorrow, spending a weekend like standing up

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Speaker 1: No, I'll do that, though you should.

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Speaker 2: Buy yourself some nice camouflage clothing first, though it'll help

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Speaker 1: I've already got that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So I also said that the blue pea hens

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Speaker 2: are sometimes considered drab, and I mean compared to the males.

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Speaker 2: They are not quite as easy on the eyes, right,

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Speaker 2: But they're brown in their drab because the female blue

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Speaker 1: Terrain and momos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Momo doesn't actually want to predate the peacock. She

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Speaker 2: just wants it to know, like, this is Momo's yard. Yeah, peacock,

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Speaker 1: So the green pea fowl, you know, we're going to

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Speaker 1: though the blue are the most common, but the green,

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Speaker 1: if it's not mating season, you may not be able

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Speaker 1: And during mating season is when you're going to see

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Speaker 1: the male's train grow a lot longer. But then they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're both very, very beautiful. They have amazingly

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Speaker 2: kind of cute, dark blue neck feathers and dark green

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Speaker 2: and black train. Females are also brown, but they they're

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Speaker 2: just not Nothing can beat a blue peacock, Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: just can't. I'm sorry. That's a hill I'll die on

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Speaker 2: if I have to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fantastic. And if you have one in your

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Speaker 1: neighborhood and as a pet in captivity, if one of

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Speaker 1: your neighbors does, you may just get used to that

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Speaker 1: sound and get used to seeing them because they could

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Speaker 1: live forty to fifty years when kept his pets. Not

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Speaker 1: suggesting that they be kept his pets. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: that people do that. They live about ten to twenty

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Speaker 1: five years in the wild.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They can also kind of haul pretty. They can

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Speaker 2: run up to ten miles an hour when they need to.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you got to get a good running start if

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Speaker 2: I guess with their little like aviator goggles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 2: Uh you want to take a break, Yeah all right,

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Speaker 2: well we're going.

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Speaker 1: To do that.

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Speaker 2: Everybody watch this.

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Speaker 1: Stop.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's high time that we talk about

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Speaker 1: That's right. And before we get emails, I'm sure Josh

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Speaker 1: Teleological, all right, So we need to cover this part

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's putting on this huge show not to

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Speaker 2: And the female can either be like I've seen better

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Speaker 1: So when that finally happens, the female p hen will

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, because Charles Darwin was bringing a little too

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Speaker 1: That's right, And that choosing is based on that flashy

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Speaker 2: Asily ocelli In the Italian it'd be celli because ce

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Speaker 1: Okay. But the more of those they have, and the

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Speaker 2: Eye spots evolved separately over different times among different species.

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Speaker 1: That's right, And thanks to our listener Mail in the

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Speaker 2: we're done talking about eye spots, right.

434
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll finish up with that three right after this.

435
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: Oh wait, wait, there was one more thing about eye spots.

436
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: Wait stop, the presses Jerry roll tape.

437
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: Researchers have figured out for sure the eye spots play

438
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: a big role, because some poor schmoe of a peacock

439
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: had his eye spots covered up and they said, go

440
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 2: out to ladies night and see what happens, and he

441
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 2: got nothing from nobody. Ever will his eye spots were

442
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: covered up.

443
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, the copulation The quote is their copulation success declined

444
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: to almost zero.

445
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: Almost. They were just being nice.

446
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: They were all right, now are we breaking Yes.

447
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: I don't have any other breaking news.

448
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: All right, everybody tick five, then we're back stop. All right,

449
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: we are back to finish up with peacocks, and we're

450
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: going to talk a little bit about something we did

451
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: an entire episode on, and that is iridescent h This

452
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: was a this was many years ago that we didn't

453
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: up on iridescence. And there's if you want to really

454
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: deep dive on the science of it, you can go

455
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: listen to that ep. But what we're looking at in

456
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: the case of peacock feathers and why they look aridescent

457
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: and are just so shiny and majestic looking is because

458
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: of the shape. It's a physical shape of something and

459
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: not necessarily a color of something, right.

460
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the pigments that are in the peacock's tail feathers

461
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: are melanin, and melanin typically looks brown to us. It's

462
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: what gives human skin kind of brown cast to it.

463
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: That is melanin pigment. And it's no different than a

464
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: peacock's feathers, but the structure is totally different. Like you said,

465
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 2: there's a crystalline structure of overlaying barbs that if you

466
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: look on an electron microscope you can see quite clearly.

467
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: And those barbs, those crystal barbs of melanin, there's like

468
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: little gaps between them, and in fact, it creates what's

469
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 2: called a partial band gap, which means that electromagnetic waves

470
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: do not penetrate some area depending on where that light

471
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: is hitting. To put simply chuck. Depending on which angle,

472
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: which direction, light hits these melanin rods, the crystalline melanin rods,

473
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: it's going to reflect or absorb all different kinds of light.

474
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: And so the same structure can reflect or absorb different

475
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: kinds of light depending on where the light hits it,

476
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 2: which means if you're looking at it one way and

477
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: you move slightly left, you're looking at a different part

478
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: of that structure, and it's reflecting different colored light, and

479
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: that's how iridescence comes along.

480
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: That's right, partial band gap, not to be confused with

481
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: the partial gap band, which is the sad tour. When

482
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: two out of three of those guys went out on

483
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: the road.

484
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: It wasn't a very good tour, was it.

485
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: It wasn't a very good joke. What I couldn't help

486
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: my Yeah, I mean that's eridesnence in a nutshell. That's

487
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: basically how it works in across nature. It's just about

488
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, the structure of the thing, and like, you know,

489
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: what do we talk about? You talked about fish and

490
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: butterfly wings mainly. I think on that episode.

491
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: It's so neat And yeah, it's just the structure. If

492
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: you take a bunch of crystals and pile them on

493
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: top of each other and little weird repeating patterns, they're

494
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: going to become iridescent. It's gorgeous. Apparently Isaac Newton figured

495
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: it out all the way back in seventeen oh four. Yeah,

496
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: based on aggressive Yeah, based on peacock feathers. He said,

497
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: check these out, man, I know what's going on. You'll

498
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: just have to find out that's right.

499
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: We do need to talk about their yelp because it's

500
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: a you know, I mean, you used to do a

501
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: pretty good impression. You want to try it?

502
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: Help?

503
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: Hell, it always sounds like help.

504
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like to me. It's uncanny and unnerving.

505
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. And I always laughed at that years

506
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: ago until like we got our own neighborhood peacocks, and

507
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: then I would hear it occasionally and I was like, yeah,

508
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: Josh's right, or is Josh in that backyard right now?

509
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: Like it's one of those two things is happening. Yeah,

510
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 1: it's pretty shrill. It can get annoying if you live

511
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: near one. I don't mind it so much because I

512
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: didn't live a next door to one, but it's usually

513
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: in the morning and evening during mating season. It can

514
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: pick up a bit. So I don't know if there

515
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: were complaints or if these local peacocks just you know,

516
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: met their natural end. You know. I don't know if

517
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: they were taken out, or if they were moved to

518
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: a farm, you know what I'm saying, yeah, or if

519
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: they just had little peace strokes that's bad.

520
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: They were elf struck. So they also they honked too, Like,

521
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: I can't even do the honk and the goose that's

522
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: that hoot dash thing sounds kind of like, oh yeah

523
00:28:59,640 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: it does.

524
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm a little hankish.

525
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they can do that a lot too, And

526
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: if you put it all together, yeah, it can be

527
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: very annoying. But I chuck, I cannot figure out what

528
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: the difference is between Umi's grandma's neighborhood my neighborhood, because

529
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: I have a completely different opinion of the annoyance level

530
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: of peacocks. Now I don't understand why, but there's the facts.

531
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: Well, maybe you aged into it, I guess.

532
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: So I'm older wives or gentler. Yeah, we're peacock loving.

533
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: Sure, I think we all get that way. Sure, all right,

534
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the history of these things. Jumping

535
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: back a little bit a few thousand years ago. The

536
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: ancient Phoenicians were the first folks to say, hey, these

537
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: things are great, Let's move them around to different places,

538
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: because these things strutting around a palace is really something

539
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: to see. So they brought them from India to Syria.

540
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: They were traded around the Mediterranean at that point, and

541
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: they did become like a status symbol if you were

542
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: nobility or royalty, or had a lot of money or

543
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: lived in a palace, then you probably wanted to some

544
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: peacock strolling around your property.

545
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might also want to eat them. Bow, I

546
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: forgot to send you this thing that I found. The

547
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: Romans ate them, but they specifically liked their tongues. Peacock

548
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: tongue was a delicacy in ancient Roman times in the

549
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: Middle Ages.

550
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: Wait, where are you going to send me?

551
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: This is what I'm about to tell you.

552
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I thought You're gonna send me a peacock

553
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: tongu in the male Flashow.

554
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: Why is this so? In the Middle Ages in Europe,

555
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: they would actually eat peacock like the whole thing, but

556
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: they figured out a way to remove the skin so

557
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: that the feathers all came off too. Then they would

558
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: roast the bird, and then they would redress it with

559
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: its feathers to be served at to the lord of

560
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: the manor by the most beautiful girl at the party.

561
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, And then it would just sit there

562
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: for a little while. They would carve into it, eat

563
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: it and have a lot of trouble digesting it because

564
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: apparently it's really tough. So much so that doctors of

565
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: the time were like, don't eat peacock. It's really just

566
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: not good for you.

567
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: So they would just stick the feathers back in it

568
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: in an ornamental way.

569
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: The picture I saw, the painting I saw made it

570
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: look like they did a pretty good job of it. Yeah, yeah,

571
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: making it look like it was alive again.

572
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting. I think even a lot of meat eaters

573
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: appreciate the animal not looking like its original form when

574
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: it's on the plate.

575
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: Sure right, you don't really want to recognize it?

576
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like it? You know, I love a brainzeno, but

577
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: I don't like that fish head looking up at me.

578
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, you don't like roly poly fish heads?

579
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 1: Uh no, I don't want to see it. But I'll

580
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: still dine on a braanzeno. I got a friend whose

581
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: brother will take that eyeball out and eat it right

582
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: at the table in front of everybody.

583
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: Wrong with that guy.

584
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean, supposedly that's the thing to do, you know,

585
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: use all the animal. But I just I don't want

586
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: to eat an eyeball.

587
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: No to ever tell you. By the time we went

588
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: to H and F and like we we just went

589
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: too far. No, so for everybody who doesn't know. H

590
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: and F is a restaurant in Atlanta, and they're well

591
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: known for like using all parts of the animal. Yeah,

592
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: and we went and we were like, if you go

593
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: further down the menu like gets more and more hardcore.

594
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: We just kind of tried it one time and we

595
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: got as far as fried chicken heads or beaks, which

596
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: had a lot of the head attached still in goodness,

597
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: like the whole table just kind of it just took

598
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: a dark turn and everybody stopped talking and it was

599
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: a bad jam. So I don't recommend the fried chicken

600
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: beaks at Homan and Finch anymore.

601
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: That sounds too much like a mcnoggan. You remember that, No,

602
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: I think I sent it to you years ago. It

603
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: was supposedly in the thing a chicken nuggets, but it

604
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: was a a deep fried little chicken head that got

605
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: through and they called it the mcnoggan.

606
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: That is what HNF sells as a as a dish.

607
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: All right. It's been very instructive, for sure.

608
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: I know, our poor, our poor live show fan Sarah

609
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: is like, I know, sorry, I.

610
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: Asked for it, Yeah, I said, butthole earlier too. This

611
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: is going downhill, all right, so back to history in

612
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: peacocks Lord Krishna in the Hindu tradition, where's peacock feathers

613
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: is a head dress, and there have been many other

614
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: examples over the years in Greek mythology and Roman mythology

615
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: about the peacock. I believe Harrah even had peacocks pulling

616
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: her chariot.

617
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: At ten miles an hour.

618
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

619
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: She she was protected by a giant named Argus who

620
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: had one hundred eyes, and he was killed by Hermes,

621
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: and so she brought him back as the peacock. That's

622
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: a great story. Yeah, there's also the cock throne, right.

623
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, the peacock throne is one of the most expensive

624
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: things that's ever been made. If it drives at home,

625
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: I think it was about twice the cost of the

626
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: taj Maha to build this one throne, which had oh,

627
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred pounds of gold, five hundred pounds, not

628
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: five hundred precious stones, five hundred pounds of precious stones.

629
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: Including the Corey Newer diamond, which is one hundred and

630
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 2: five carrot diamond. Pretty amazing stuff. They managed. The Mughal

631
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: Empire in India managed to hang on to the throne

632
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: for about one hundred years until they were invaded by

633
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: the Persians, I believe, who were like, we're taking this throne.

634
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: This is essentially the reason we invaded was to get

635
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: this throne, and they disassembled it and basically sold it

636
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: off for parts. Right. Yeah, but if you go onto

637
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 2: the Internet and you search peacock throne, you will see

638
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: photographs of a peacock throne that looks pretty amazing, and

639
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 2: you will say, well, how could this have been destroyed

640
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 2: back in the seventeenth or eighteenth century? And the reason

641
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: why is because what you're looking at is the replica

642
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 2: that King Ludwig the Second of Bavaria, our friend, the

643
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: fairy tale King, had constructed for his castle. Nushwe look

644
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: at that, Nushefinstein. Yeah, which one?

645
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just amazed that you brought that around.

646
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: Nice work, thanks, any Uschefinstein sounds great.

647
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: Nuschwinstein. Yeah, any chance I have to bring King Ludwig

648
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: the Second into the story, I'm going to take it.

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Speaker 1: Well, you had that shirt made.

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Speaker 2: That helps ask me about King Ludvig the Second.

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Speaker 1: Endangered? Yes or no? Indian bluefowl are not endangered. In fact,

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Speaker 1: they're doing really, really well, and you mentioned you know,

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Speaker 1: in places in Florida and even southern California, they can

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Speaker 1: get a little out of hand with their men. They

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Speaker 1: can tear up foliage, and they can poop all over

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Speaker 1: the place, and they can destroy habitats that other birds have.

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Speaker 1: So people sometimes now even are trapping them and giving

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Speaker 1: them vasectomies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a town called pine Crest, a suburb of Miami,

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Speaker 2: which is giving peacock's vasectomy. So if you couldn't have guessed,

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Speaker 2: pine Crest is a rather well healed suburb of Miami

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Speaker 2: because a lot of towns can't afford to give peacocks vasectivey.

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Speaker 1: That green pea fowl, they are under threat though they're

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Speaker 1: listed is endangered because they are from Southeast Asia and

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Speaker 1: a lot of their natural habitat has been done away

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Speaker 1: with thanks to land development and agricultural mowing down of

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Speaker 1: their environment and also farmers who will poison them if

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Speaker 1: they come into their fields.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's only I think ten twenty thousand left of

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Speaker 2: them in the wild. Hopefully someone steps up, because losing

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Speaker 2: any animal to extinction sucks, but losing particularly beautiful ones

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Speaker 2: that their very presence makes the world a better place

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Speaker 2: to live in those are You don't want to lose those.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And as for the congo p fowl, we

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Speaker 1: don't want to forget about those spellas they are vulnerable,

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Speaker 1: also habitat loss and hunting, and they're about ten thousand

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Speaker 1: of those in the wild.

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Speaker 2: Man alive.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: Let's see. I'm trying to think if there's anything else.

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Speaker 2: I don't really think we have anything else, do we?

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Speaker 1: I got nothing else?

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Speaker 2: Oh? A group of pea fowl? You know? Yeah? What

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Speaker 2: is it? Collective nouns? Isn't that what they're called?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, that was another name form something of something.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I remember what you talking about. I don't remember

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Speaker 2: what it was too, but yeah, in this case, peacocks,

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Speaker 2: A group of peacocks are called a pride, an ostentation,

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Speaker 2: or a party, a peacock party. I like that. I

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Speaker 2: do too, I like all three of them. Well, since

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Speaker 2: Chuck and I agreed that we like the collective nouns

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Speaker 2: for peacocks, then obviously we have just unlocked listener mail.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to call this Maine and Billboards. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: longtime super fan of spreading the stuff. You should know

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Speaker 1: kool aid oh far and wide flavor eight. I think

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Speaker 1: they make any miles our drive to reach anywhere in

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Speaker 1: Maine flyby, So thanks for that. When you ask someone

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Speaker 1: in Maine how far away a destination is, be prepared

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Speaker 1: to often hear about an hour, but that can mean

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes to nearly two hours. Fun fact here

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Speaker 1: though about Maine. During a recent episode on Kadzu, you

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Speaker 1: were talking about how it takes over billboards, and I

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Speaker 1: know you get a lot of listener mail for Maine.

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Speaker 1: I thought you might like to know an exciting factoid.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been to Maine and marveled at it's

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Speaker 1: natural beauty? Well, part of that is due to something

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Speaker 1: that's missing billboards. Guys. Maine law does not allowed billboards

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Speaker 1: of any kind. They have a very prescriptive law regarding

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Speaker 1: signs not on business property AKA and main vernacular official

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Speaker 1: business directional signs. The rules are very strict and include

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Speaker 1: a special provision that rolling signs like ones attached to

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Speaker 1: vehicles cannot even be used to get around these requirements.

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Speaker 1: And I think it is a thirty dollars license fee

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Speaker 1: to get a sign that can be forty eight inches

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Speaker 1: by twelve inches or seventy two inches by sixteen inches,

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Speaker 1: and you can only use two fonts. They must be

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Speaker 1: white with a single color background. And this is literally

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Speaker 1: just to say, like my pressure washing business is down

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Speaker 1: there or whatever. They say that people may consider billboards

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Speaker 1: to be detrimental to the preservation of scenic resources. And

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Speaker 1: that is a great law. And that's one reason we

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Speaker 1: love Maine. And that is from who is that from?

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Speaker 1: That's from Katrina Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katrina. That is a very sensible, awesome law. I

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Speaker 2: love that. It's one of the worst things to see

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Speaker 2: when you're driving down the highways, to billboards. It is terrible.

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Speaker 2: Great thanks for letting us know that. Hopefully as Main goes,

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Speaker 2: the rest of the world follows. And if you want

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Speaker 2: to be like Katrina and get in touch with this

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Speaker 2: and let us know of a very sensible local law.

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Speaker 2: We love that kind of thing. You can send us

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Speaker 2: an email to stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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