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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks and this is Lamar Jackson three sixty Jackson

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Speaker 1: text Jackson, what for another text? How good is he?

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Speaker 1: He's first in the Countryan passing Lamar jack said, fun,

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Speaker 1: he goes, My goodness? Is this kid good? Alright? Bluck?

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Speaker 1: I could not be more excited for the three sixty

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Speaker 1: case anyone has never heard of our three sixties series,

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Speaker 1: this is an entire podcast dedicated to Lamar Jackson, breaking

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Speaker 1: down his game and his potential. It's also a three

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Speaker 1: sixty view on who Lamar Jackson is, featuring interviews with

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Speaker 1: his high school coach, college coaches, and Michael Vick, just

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Speaker 1: to name a few. Yeah, but first here, let's let's

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Speaker 1: before we get to these interesting interviews here, I'll give

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Speaker 1: you the floor your take on Lamar. But I think

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Speaker 1: about Lamar. I think he's an electrifying athlete, probably the

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Speaker 1: I think there's there's talk. There was a talk, right,

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Speaker 1: We're both in agreement. We view him as a quarterback

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Speaker 1: So if you can widen out his base, which there

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Speaker 1: You know, I've heard some people that have have discussed

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Speaker 1: all the offensive players huddled up and I and it

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Speaker 1: caught me off guard, and I listened in to see

429
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Speaker 1: what he was saying, and he told he was telling

430
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Speaker 1: them we have to get to the line of scrimma

431
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: is really fast so that we can score and catch up.

432
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Speaker 1: That there was no sense of he's nervous or this

433
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 1: is too big for him too early. He went straight

434
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: to the players and said, Harry up and get lined up.

435
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: We gotta find a way to win. And that's for me.

436
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: I was probably one of the only coaches that heard

437
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: that because I was paying attention to it. For me,

438
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: that's when I said, we have something special here. And

439
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: in the second half of that game, Auburn won the game,

440
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: but we had four possessions in the second half and

441
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: we scored three touchdowns and got a field goal. So

442
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: every possession we scored points that he was on the

443
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: field and that type of uh, that type of play

444
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: really turned everybody's hand. We went, yeah, there's no doubt

445
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: he's a quarterback. Just let him go. After that game,

446
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: or after any game that you played, having friends around

447
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: the college coaching fraternity, did you ever get any feedback

448
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: from defensive coaches expressing the challenge they just had going

449
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: up against him. Well, right after that game, we're out

450
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: shaking hands and I know, um, Will, You know I

451
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: know Will. So I went up to him. I was

452
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: accord that he was a coordinator, you know, the whole

453
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Speaker 1: good game thing that you do even if you win

454
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: or if the losing coaches have to say good game,

455
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: even though you don't mean it. Um. And I was

456
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: talking to Will, and Will, that kid is special, that

457
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: that kid is a phenomenon, and you know he knows

458
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's seen a lot of ball and

459
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing, but he said it

460
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: and we and and it dawned on me that, Yeah,

461
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: this kid is special. You know when you think about

462
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: UM having a guy like that, you talked about reaping

463
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Speaker 1: in the offense, you guys being able to score all

464
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Speaker 1: the time, and then building upon that UM as he

465
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: projects the league. I'm sure you can get a bunch

466
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Speaker 1: of calls from offensive coordinators, intrigued coaches about what is

467
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: the best thing for us to do to help him

468
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: get up to speed? What would you advise him to

469
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Speaker 1: do to help Lamar Jackson have success as soon as

470
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Speaker 1: he can in the National Football League. I think get

471
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: to know him. You gotta get to know him. You

472
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: gotta get to know his mother, because the only person

473
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: that's really influencing him and is his mother. Um. She

474
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: she's tough. Um, that's why the kid is so humble. Um,

475
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: that's why he's such a great teammate, just a good

476
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: friend to everybody around. It doesn't matter if it's the

477
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, the kicker or the walk on at the

478
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: end of the line or the number one player. Lamar

479
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: is the same to every kid. And that came from

480
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: his mother. And you've got to get to know that.

481
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: You gotta get to know him. And get him the

482
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: open up UM and get him to talk and UM.

483
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: Because once you get him in that type of situation

484
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Speaker 1: where he really trust you and he's gonna listen and

485
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: do everything you say, now you have the ability to

486
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Speaker 1: coach him. And I just I just you know, I

487
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: think that I think coaches understand that, UM, but acting

488
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: on that is different than understanding it. Coach Man, I

489
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Speaker 1: appreciate you taking some time and including us in here

490
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: and give us some background and some insight uh into

491
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Speaker 1: your former player there, Lamar Jackson. I feel like any

492
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: time we have somebody like you on, I feel like

493
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: we get a better understanding of the player. I know

494
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of personnel folks listen

495
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: to this as well. I know they'll appreciate it. So

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. All right, buddy,

497
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys of me on. Thanks Coach Buck

498
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: your thoughts on on Coach McGhee and what he had

499
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: to say there about Lamar. I think the biggest thing

500
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: that comes from that conversation Gary McGee talks about you

501
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: have to get to know the player before you can.

502
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: You have to get to know the person before you

503
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: can coach the player, and so really developing that relationship

504
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: in chemistry between quarterback slash offensive coordinator and Jackson. If

505
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: you get that together, I certainly believe you can grow

506
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Speaker 1: the offense around Jackson, allow it to be one of

507
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: more potent offenses that we've seen. And I think, to me,

508
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: the interesting thing is the confidence in him. Once you

509
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: got him out on the field. Maybe you're a little

510
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: bit skeptical how this is all gonna work, But once

511
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: you got him out in the field, you sorted out,

512
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: You figure out a ways. He's such a special athlete

513
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: and such a special talent. They figured out a way

514
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: to craft it and to make it work. And I

515
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: think he alleviated any of the concerns that they had

516
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: at that time. Absolutely. I mean, you can't sit up

517
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: because this is uncommon for the University of Louisville to

518
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: go about it, particularly Nder Biby Petrino, Gary McGee and

519
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: those guys making a transition kind of reworking the offense

520
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: on the fly. Us Again, it speaks volumes about what

521
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: kind of talent Lamar Jackson brings to the table. As

522
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: fun as it is to coach Lamar Jackson, Bucky I

523
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: can't imagine. It's very fun to coach against him. And

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00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: that's what our next guest had to do, had to

525
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: do it three times. That's Charles Kelly's the former defensive

526
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: coordinator at Florida State, and here's his thoughts on Lamar Jackson.

527
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Speaker 1: What challenges does a player like Lamar Jackson present to

528
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: the defense? Well, I'll say this, and I've known Lamar

529
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: since he was a you know, a sophomore junior in

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00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: high school. And the one thing, Lamar Jackson can throw

531
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: the football. Okay, everybody wants to tie and he is

532
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: a great athlete, all right, But Lamar can throw the football.

533
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Speaker 1: When you watch the ball come out of his hand,

534
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: he spended and he can throw it a long way

535
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: and he's been throwing it a long way for a

536
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: long time now. The thing that he does think of

537
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: the game, he is ultra competitive. I mean when you

538
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: watch him on video, he was the same way in

539
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: high school. He never gets tired. It doesn't matter anytimes

540
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: he carries into the game or what he has to do.

541
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: He never gets tired. Um. But just that competitiveness and

542
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: he's you know, he just got very good instinct. I mean,

543
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: you can you know when you talk about pocket presents

544
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: so many times somebody from the bone time will be

545
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: coming and you know more can't see him. But he

546
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: just had that feel to where he can escape. And

547
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: I just think, uh, you know, with his competitiveness and

548
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: the way he can throw the ball, I just think

549
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: he can do from really good things. Is there anybody

550
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: he reminds you of? Coach? I'm even doing this a

551
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: long time. Is there anybody at all that you've you've

552
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: gone against her, studied or have seen on tape and said, okay,

553
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: I see a little bit of this. And Lamar Jackson

554
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: is this guy just kind of a unicorn. It's hard

555
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: to compare him to guys in the past. Now I've

556
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: other people saying it, you know, um that that he

557
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: reminds him of Michael vick. Um. You know, I think

558
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: there's some things you know, in the running game, maybe

559
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: not you know, he's not quite as big, but he's

560
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: as productive as Cam was, you know running the football.

561
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: But if you watch him throw the ball downfield that

562
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, even on the deep balls, the touch that

563
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: he has. Um, just combining all those things together I

564
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: think is uh, you know, just kind of made him

565
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: you know, just a little bit different. He's kind of

566
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Speaker 1: his own guy. What about him versus Marcus Mariota, coach,

567
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, um, they came out of different systems. Um,

568
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: but I think what you see is you see that

569
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 1: same you know, that same appicism, you see the same competitiveness,

570
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I thought Marcus could really throw

571
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: the ball. Also, I didn't people gave him enough credit

572
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: for that. And I thought that, you know, he could

573
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: process the game. Um that I think when you that's

574
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 1: the toughest thing about evaluating quarterbacks. We can see up

575
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: or they can throw the ball, we can see you

576
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: know what they run the forward in. But how did

577
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: they process when pressure times? You know? And I think

578
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: you've seen both of those guys putting pressure situations where

579
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: they you know, where they were productive. Coach. I can't

580
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: thank you enough for for taking some time for us today.

581
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: Wish you, wish you the best of luck there at

582
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: the University of Tennessee, and let's catch up again soon.

583
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate it. Well, Bucky, I think you

584
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: could hear it and coach his voice there, he's he's

585
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: not too disappointed to have to face Lamar Jackson anymore. Absolutely,

586
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: this is a nightmare for defensive coordinator. Is a guy

587
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: that can make plays on script, but really can cure

588
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: you when he goes on that impromptu, improvisational playmaking ability

589
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: that Lamar Jackson brings. Yeah, it's tough, tough to deal

590
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: with that kind of quarterback, and I think Kelly can

591
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: explain it better than anybody else. No, very interesting chat

592
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: there with coach Kelly. Wish him the best of luck

593
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: at the University of Tennessee. By the way, one of

594
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: the names he brought up Michael Vick. That's a comparison

595
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: that has been used often for Lamar Jackson. So for

596
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: more on that comparison, why don't we go to the

597
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: man himself. Here's our chat with Michael Vick. I'm very

598
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: excited for our next guest, Bucky we was the first

599
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: pick in the two thousand one NFL draft. Fifteen years

600
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: he served as a quarterback in the National Football League.

601
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: Michael Vick is joining us. Michael, how you doing, man?

602
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm doing good? How you doing? Both of you? We

603
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: cannot complain. I want to jump. I want to jump

604
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: right in with you, man, because I want to go

605
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: back to a game. This is two thousand sixteen, this

606
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: is Louisville against Florida State, and that was kind of

607
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: the coming out party for Lamar Jackson, just running up

608
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: and down the field against the Seminoles. And then you

609
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: fired off a tweet during that game, which kind of

610
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: I think, I think that really put Lamar Jackson on

611
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: the map. When we got the full endorsement, you see

612
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: it right here from Michael Vick. Lamar Jackson five times

613
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: better than what I was at v Tech enough said

614
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: hashtag future. Was that the first time you had seen

615
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: Lamar play? And what was your what was your impression

616
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: the first time you saw him on the field. Yeah, Well,

617
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: I had heard about Lamar on several occasions, and that

618
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: was the first day I was actually in the house

619
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: on a Saturday, uh watching college football, and I happened

620
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: to catch Looisville and Florida State, and I could not

621
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: believe what I had seen. I cannot believe the things

622
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 1: that he was able to do. It was a spitting

623
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: image of me. And the only thing that came to

624
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: my mind was this kid was five times better than

625
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: what I was when I was at Virginia Tech, only

626
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: because he was doing it against Florida State. And I

627
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: remember you know how difficult it was for me to

628
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: move the chains against Florida State, what effort had to

629
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: be put into getting the first down, scoring touchdowns, hanging

630
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: with them, uh, you know, pretty much going wide and

631
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: why And I see this guy going there and just

632
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: annihilate these guys, uh, from the start of the game

633
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: to the ending, and I just thought it was impressive. So,

634
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, the hashtag future was something that I felt like, uh,

635
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, needed to be said at the time. He

636
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: needed to be paid attention to, and his game really

637
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: showed that he had what it takes to play on

638
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: the next level. Even at that time. I think I

639
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: know your answer, and you're gonna be in agreement with

640
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: the two guys you're talking to here. But this this

641
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: kid is a he's a quarterback, correct, Michael, Yeah, he's

642
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I'n't been hearing about things been thrown out

643
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: there about him playing receiver and they'll probably say he

644
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: needs to play defensive back next. But listen, the kid

645
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: is six three, two hundred and fifteen pounds. I know.

646
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: The hash is a wide in college football, so it

647
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: creates creates a little bit more space, uh, in terms

648
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: of running with the football, and stretching the field, move

649
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: in the pocket. But for anybody to say that Lamar

650
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: Jackson is a receiver, um, I don't think they understand

651
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. I don't think they appreciate the value

652
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: that can be brought from the quarterback position. Uh. You know,

653
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: it was just kind of mind boggling to me to

654
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 1: hear that. Um And And I can understand why those

655
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: type of things can be said because people don't know him.

656
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: They haven't sat down with him in the film room,

657
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: they haven't talked to him and had discussions with them.

658
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 1: They're only going off what they're here. And you can't

659
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: live in this world going off what you're here. I know, perception,

660
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, outweighs reality. Uh pretty much. You know a

661
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the time in this world that you

662
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: gotta give the kid a chance. He's a quarterback, hands down.

663
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: If I was the GM I was drafting, you know,

664
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: whether it's the first round or fourth round. You know,

665
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: you look at all the quarterbacks coming out in the draft,

666
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: they all projects. Nobody is guaranteed to do anything. You know,

667
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: Mike is one of the guys who kind of, like

668
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: ushered in this new movement of mobile quarterbacks or athletic

669
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: playmakers that can affect you not only as a past

670
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: but as a runner. What advice would you give the

671
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: Lamar in terms of making the transition from a college

672
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: playmaker that was a dual threat to being a little

673
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: more traditional at the position as a pro. Well, I think,

674
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: first and foremost, shoot, uh, you know, taking to the

675
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: understanding that you know you're going to the next level.

676
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: And it's not about all about your athletic ability. Uh,

677
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: it's about the competence that you have wants the ball

678
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: is snap. I think his focus needs to be centered around,

679
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: uh learning NFL concepts right now, even if he's not

680
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: uh signed with the NFL team, if even if he's

681
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: going through the pre draft process. Uh, this is the

682
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: time to you know, call up various quarterback coaches, include myself,

683
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: if we have a relationship and and just have me

684
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: throw some plays out there. Let's sit down and talk

685
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: talk through some plays, route concepts, how to call him,

686
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: how to sam, how to approach the huddle. Uh. Those

687
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: are the things that are going to be the challenges

688
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: when playing in the National Football League. It's not about

689
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: your athetic ability of rolling right, rolling left, dropping back,

690
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: throwing the ball fifty sixty yards. It's about stepping into

691
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: the huddle, understanding what to play. UH. Really entails who's primary,

692
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: whose secondary? Where the tech nails are UM, and you know,

693
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: understand the position as a whole. It's not about you know, running,

694
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: you know, taking off running and getting thirty or forty

695
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: yards or getting seven yards. You know, the primary goal

696
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: is the mood to change and be efficient, be a leader.

697
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's what Lamar Jackson has the work

698
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: on now. Uh, just the verbage and getting ready to

699
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: speak the game in the National Football League. You know, Mike,

700
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: I know you served as a coaching intern under any

701
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: Read in Kansas City. Andy Reid did a great job

702
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: of elevating your game when you're in Philadelphia and that

703
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: you've been there, that you've been on that other side

704
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: as a coach, What would you think about Lamar Jackson?

705
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: How would you help him elevate his game? Well, first

706
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: of all, I wouldn't I wouldn't start Lamar as a

707
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: as a rookie. UM. Whether he goes in the first round,

708
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: second round, the third round. I think a majority of

709
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: these guys coming out in the draft. UH, quarterback wise,

710
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: our project, you let these guys sit for a year

711
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: two pretty much what uh Andy Reid did with Patrick

712
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: Mahomes this year gave Alex Smith a chance uh to

713
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: go out and be the proven leader that he is.

714
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: Let the young guy learned. Uh. It's you know, it's

715
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: uncanny what you know a year in the film room

716
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: can do for you as as a players, for your

717
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: confidence and uh, you know, just watching another guy play

718
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: you can learn so much vicariously. So my plan with

719
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: Lamar would be to make sure he has the best

720
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: mentor in front of him. UH, set him for a

721
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: year or two, never know, UH, really critique him in preseason,

722
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: take his preseason film, and build from there. And that's

723
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: the way it has to be done. Quarterbacks are not

724
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: always gonna be Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco or Ben

725
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger where they can step in in that first year

726
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: and take the team their team uh to the NFC

727
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: or a FC championship game. It's a process and it's

728
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: you have to be patient. And some of these teams

729
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: don't have the patients, but they have veteran quarterbacks who

730
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: can lead the way and get the team off to

731
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: a good start while they're younger guy, Uh, waits in

732
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: the background and and and get ready to take the

733
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: franchise over for the future. Michael, you said you've got

734
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: a chance to visit with him. Where where is he

735
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: at right now from a football knowledge standpoint? And maybe

736
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: compare that to where you were with your knowledge base

737
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: when when you entered the league. Well, today's times are different.

738
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: You've got guys training all over the place. They spread

739
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: out there with quarterback coaches there, with training gururus, so

740
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: to speak. Uh, all of the these guys who opposed it,

741
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: UH as supposed to enhanced there and tangibles and their attributes,

742
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: which is a good thing. I think that's that's what

743
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: needs to be done. That's the necessity as of right now.

744
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: In terms of Lamar, I think he's focused on proving

745
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: to everybody that he's a quarterback. Pretty much similar to

746
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: me when I came out in the two thousands of

747
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: one draft. You know, the only thing I was thinking

748
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: about was how cerebral can I be when I step

749
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: into the draft room, when I step into uh the

750
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks room, quarterback room on my visits, How am I

751
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: going to be able to articulate the play cars? How

752
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: am I going to be able to impress them and

753
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: show them that I can play above the neck, and

754
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: that's what's important right now. I think Lamar's focused on that.

755
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: That's what I focused on. I've been giving them those

756
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: little tidbits of advice and small things to do to

757
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: make yourself eligible quarterback in this draft, and uh, one

758
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: that's gonna get drafted high like he like he probably

759
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: always dreamed about. You know, a lot of people don't

760
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: know him well because he's kind of he's a quiet

761
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: and a little bit reserved just in your dealings with

762
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: him and getting close with him. What's the personality of

763
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson? Like Michael, Lamar is a very cool kid man.

764
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: He's funny, he's outgoing. You have to get the norm.

765
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: I think where Lamar is from, Uh, it's probably similar

766
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: to situations of a lot of NFL athletes or players

767
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: or just people around the world who experienced things that

768
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: they're brought up in and they don't ask for. UH.

769
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: So he can't be reserved at times. But at the

770
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: end of the day, the kid loves football. His teammates

771
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: love him. I can see that through uh just watching

772
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: various interviews and and and smart UH just clips on him.

773
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: Hanging with the guys and being a great, great friend

774
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: mentor to to all the guys around him, making them

775
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: better than the locker room. Uh So, you know, he's

776
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy that's gonna be a great teammate

777
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. I think he steps

778
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: saying that he's if he's willing to learn, uh he

779
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: would take takes on the right attitude, get with the

780
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: correct coach, the right coach that can help him, uh

781
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, take his game to another level because sometimes

782
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, great coaches, you know, make players great, to

783
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: make good players great. Uh So I think it's all

784
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: about the communication process with Lamar Jackson right now and

785
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: just you know, having fun and join the whole process,

786
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: because it's not easy, you know, Mike you you you

787
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: mentioned the point about a great, great coach make a

788
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: good player great. When you look around the league, what

789
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: do you think the ideal situation would be for Lamar

790
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: Jackson in terms of team or maybe the coaching staff. Well,

791
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: that's tough because I haven't had a chance to think

792
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: about what was going on around the league. Then opening

793
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: up the app on my phone, the NFL app, taking

794
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: out things that's going on the season is over, so

795
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: I kind of left it Alan for a minute. But

796
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: you look around the league. You look at teams like

797
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: the New York Jets, uh, Jacksonville Jaguars. Even though I

798
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: think Blake Borders is the starter for two thou eighteen

799
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: and should be, and he's earned that right, you put

800
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: a guy like Lamar Jackson around behind Blake Borders, then

801
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: I think it enhances Blake borders game, makes him play harder,

802
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: put a little pressure on him indirectly. But you also

803
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: got a gun on the bench, uh coming off the

804
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: bench who can be a great reserve, who can come

805
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: in and uh pretty much keep the offense going. So

806
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: I think that has to be the primary goal. But

807
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: Arizona and that's the team that's gonna need a quarterback.

808
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: Maybe they get one in free agency, maybe they draft

809
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: uh Lamar Jackson, UH, set him and then bring in

810
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: another veteran. It's tons of guys out there that they

811
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: can bring in. Nick Foles maybe you know on the

812
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: trade block. He may be a guy who Arizona can

813
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: bring in and Lamarck and be a guy who can

814
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: sit behind him and have him as a mentor. I

815
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: did that with Nick, so I'm pretty sure he's ready

816
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: to do that with the next guy and in the

817
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: next generation the quarterbacks to come. So we know. It's exciting. Man,

818
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: It's fun to see. I can't wait to see how

819
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: this draft shapes up, how everything unfolds, and where these

820
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: guys end up. I'm excited about a lot of them.

821
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: All right, last question I promise is it. I'm gonna

822
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: let you run on this one, Michael. But when you

823
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: started off this interview with the tweet you had where

824
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: you said Lamar Jackson five times better than I was,

825
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. But I want to get

826
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: true honesty here, just a simple one. Who's faster? I

827
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: was faster. I'm faster. I was faster in nineteen ninety nine,

828
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: two thousand in Lamar Jacksonville as of right now. But

829
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: you know what, man, I had, I had surged you

830
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: on my ankle a couple of weeks ago, well, a

831
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: couple of months ago. I'm back probably, so I'm I'm

832
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: probably running about a half four or five right now, man,

833
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: and it hasn't all diminished stuff. Promise you that I

834
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: get chased. Listen, if something happens and I have to

835
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: run and get away from somebody. I'm gonna get away

836
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: from him. I'm that fast. That's it. That's it. We're

837
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: ended up. We're ending on that one. Hey, I know, uh,

838
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: I know, you're busy man. We appreciate you taking the

839
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: time to visit with us today. Best of luck, and

840
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: let's catch up again in the future. I appreciate you

841
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: guys have a go. But how cool was that to

842
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: get a chance to to visit with Michael Vick one

843
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: of the I would say not one of the He

844
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: is the most electric playmaker that the NFL has ever

845
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: seen at the quarterback position. Talking about what could be

846
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: the next coming of Michael Vick, well, he kind of

847
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: said the stage for all these new school dual three

848
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: A playmakers to do. They saw him on mad and

849
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: they saw him play in games. They saw his highlights,

850
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: and I think Lamar Jackson certainly has a lot of

851
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: similarities when it comes to their games. To have Mike

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Speaker 1: Vick talk about him and kind of rave about where

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is at this stage of his career compared

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Speaker 1: to where he was at this stage says a lot

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Speaker 1: about what Lamar Jackson could be as a pro. All Right,

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Speaker 1: how about a fit for Lamar Jackson. What do you think,

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Speaker 1: what's a what's a team you look at and say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this would uh, this would be good for him the team,

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Speaker 1: both in the short term as well as a long term. Ideally,

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Speaker 1: I would think that Jackson with Jaguars would be a

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Speaker 1: nice fe A strong running game, to have a defense,

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Speaker 1: to have a creative offensive coordinator, and Nathaniel Hackett who

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Speaker 1: has done some spread things that I think would really

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Speaker 1: really fit Mr jackson skill set. But I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: beyond it. How about the Cincinnati Bengals and the Cincinnati Bengals,

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Speaker 1: because um, this is a team they need someone to

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Speaker 1: back up Andy Dalton. They have shown the ability to

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Speaker 1: be creative, They've done some things with the spread to

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Speaker 1: help Andy Dalton get off. I believe they can run

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Speaker 1: their same offense with Lamar Jackson and in a year

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Speaker 1: or two he can take it over. I think they

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Speaker 1: would be a really, really nice fit for him. I

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Speaker 1: can look at a couple of different spots here. I

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Speaker 1: think maybe the New York Jets. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they would do it. They're picking in the top ten

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Speaker 1: at number six, but I think maybe if you're in

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Speaker 1: the second round, you want to come back up into

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the first round. That could make some sense.

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Speaker 1: How about Pittsburgh. I know Josh Dobbs, they invested a

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Speaker 1: little bit in him as a backup, a young backup

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Speaker 1: out of Tennessee. I just think with the skill set

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Speaker 1: that you get with Lamar Jackson, Ben Roethlisberg getting towards

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Speaker 1: the end of the line, you don't have to rush

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Speaker 1: him on the field. You've got time to develop him

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Speaker 1: and you could have a nice payoff when it's all

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Speaker 1: said and done. Oh, I absolutely believe that could be

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Speaker 1: the case. If you went to pits Burg, you have

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to sit behind Big Ben Roethlisberger. They're developing

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Speaker 1: a new offense as they have a new offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: taken over. Man, What a better time to sit there

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Speaker 1: for two maybe three years, learned the position, learn how

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Speaker 1: to play it, really get acclimated to being a pro

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Speaker 1: before he has the opportunity to get on the field

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Speaker 1: and have to be a pro. No question. Look, I

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Speaker 1: love our podcast. Our regular podcast are so much fun,

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Speaker 1: but this three sixty series my favorite thing we do

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Speaker 1: every year. Buck Uh, this is the Lamar Jackson. We're

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Speaker 1: wrapping this one up man, We've got so many other

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Speaker 1: ones coming up, more three sixty podcasts this draft season

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Speaker 1: than any other year we've ever done. If you're interested

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Speaker 1: in the top quarterback, and we've got another one that's

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Speaker 1: a special surprise coming as well, we've got you covered. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we absolutely have you covered. This three sixty series is

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Speaker 1: out standing because we take you behind the scenes. We

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Speaker 1: talked to the influencers of the kids, so you really

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Speaker 1: get a chance to know the guy that's going to

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Speaker 1: be the next star at the pro level. I've been

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Speaker 1: told I can, I can mention one of them. I

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Speaker 1: mentioned quarterbacks, right, how about Derwin James. Oh, really excited,

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite players. We've got some great stuff

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Speaker 1: coming on the Derwin James three sixty as well as

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Speaker 1: all the top quarterback so be on the lookout for those,

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Speaker 1: as well as our regular Move the Sticks content. You

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Speaker 1: as an Apple podcast, so be on the lookout for that.

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Speaker 1: This is the Lamar Jackson three sixty series. I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. I hope you look forward as much

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Speaker 1: as we are to the rest of the three sixty

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