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Speaker 2: Giants Giants give me some job.

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Speaker 3: Let's roll.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, presented

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Speaker 2: John Smoke with you with our normal Friday episode. We

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Speaker 2: got a player interview, Lance Metal with a Jets preview.

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Speaker 2: This week it'll be ESPN's Rich Samini and then we

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Speaker 2: have Bob Papa with the Hey go to the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Brian Dable, we're gonna leave things off. I had a

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Speaker 2: chance to sit down with Giants wide receiver Wando Robinson

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Speaker 2: and now we're joined by Giants wide receiver Waldo Robinson

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Speaker 2: right off the practice field and Wanda, this is your

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Speaker 2: first week without a maintenance day. You go in all

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Speaker 2: three days at practice. That that's gotta be exciting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, just starting to see little progress in my

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Speaker 4: a cl in my leg getting stronger each week. So

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Speaker 4: this is kind of a step in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: So is that something that you feel and you communicate

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Speaker 2: that to the trainers that it's something that they do

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Speaker 2: with strength, Like, how do you determine that you don't

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Speaker 2: need the maintenance da anymore really after.

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Speaker 4: Games, just kind of seeing where I'm at, and this

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Speaker 4: week I was in a much better place than I

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Speaker 4: was in the previous games, just the way my knee felt,

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Speaker 4: with the way my quadt looks. So just staying on

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Speaker 4: top of that, staying on top of the rehab, and

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Speaker 4: the trainers are doing a really good job with the

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Speaker 4: maintenance and things like that too.

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Speaker 2: So what you were you still trying to manage swelling

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that after games.

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Speaker 4: Swelling not so much really, so just soreness. I say,

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Speaker 4: I haven't really swelled up since I was around like

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Speaker 4: seven months or so, so we've been going going pretty

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Speaker 4: strong without swelling up, and now it's just more so

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Speaker 4: just making sure that it feels good and that it's strong.

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Speaker 2: So how was practice been this week? Coming off your guys,

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Speaker 2: big big win against Washington.

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Speaker 4: It's been good, really detailed and making sure that we're

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Speaker 4: just trying to continue on this win streak and do

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Speaker 4: what we have to do against the Jets.

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Speaker 2: So you guys had your first first half offensive touchdown

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Speaker 2: two for one. You got two this week. What is

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Speaker 2: it that you guys see kind of coming together with

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Speaker 2: these longer drives up and down the field.

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Speaker 4: Really, it's just all the execution. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of jobs that we had in previous games. We're

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Speaker 4: driving down the field and then it's just one little

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Speaker 4: mistake that would kill our jobs. So now it's just

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Speaker 4: making sure that we're executing on each and every play,

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Speaker 4: making sure that we're getting positive yardage and no negative plays.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's really the main thing. As long

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Speaker 4: as we aren't going backwards and we'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: For the wide receiver group, they seem to be focusing

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Speaker 2: in on a playtime split that's been fairly consistent in

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Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. Drek is up around eighty

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Speaker 2: five percent, then you and Jalen are kind of around

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Speaker 2: sixty to seventy percent, right, and then Isaiah gets in

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Speaker 2: there for some snaps as well. Has that allowed you

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Speaker 2: of you guys within this offense each week?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. I mean I think they're doing a pretty

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Speaker 4: of us. So just going each and every week and

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: You only had the one catch last week, but I

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Speaker 2: thought it was a special one, and I'll explain why

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Speaker 2: You've had a bunch of games with a bunch of catches.

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Speaker 2: But at least from my perspective, Please correct me if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong, this is like your first really short make

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Speaker 2: three or four guys miss, big run after catch? Was

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Speaker 2: that something a little bit special to you that you

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Speaker 2: I feel good. This is awesome.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely. I mean even from the start of

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Speaker 2: What is it like trying to build that chemistry with Tyrod?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you haven't taken a ton of snaps with

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Speaker 4: I mean it's been nice. I mean, luckily for me,

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Speaker 4: me and Tyrod are on a pretty pretty good basis

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Speaker 4: So we've been We've been pretty close ever since I

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Speaker 2: So you've been taking a lot of your reps in

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Speaker 2: the slot this year. What are some of the things

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Speaker 4: You gotta read a lot. That's probably the most challenging part.

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Speaker 4: Especially on our offense. You have to make a lot

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Speaker 4: He's especially hard on me, especially when it comes to

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Speaker 4: like that. But then again, I love how much flexibility

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I was gonna follow up you say it's

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Speaker 2: the most challenging thing, but isn't that also the most

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Speaker 2: But it's kind of like, all right, well, we're designing,

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Speaker 4: Right yep? Yeah, exactly. And it's more so with the

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Speaker 4: So it's been nice, though, what's.

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Speaker 2: Been the process like trying to get that feel people

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Speaker 2: talk about Travis Kelcey for example, No one's better of

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Speaker 2: finding gaps in the zone than he is, right? Is it?

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Speaker 2: Study understanding during the week what they're gonna do? Is

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Speaker 2: it feel over the course of the game you figure

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Speaker 2: do you figure out exactly how to find those open

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Speaker 4: I definitely think it's a little bit of both. I

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Speaker 4: think throughout the week you have to figure out exactly

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Speaker 4: and look at the quarterbacks. So just figuring out each

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Speaker 2: We've seen you and Jalen kind of start becoming a

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Speaker 2: bigger part of the offense. As I mentioned previously, I

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Speaker 2: feel like your guys' skill sets really compliment each other. Right,

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Speaker 2: you know, he kind of plays that the sewn Jackson

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Speaker 2: but for them will be thirty yards down the field.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: You might be the guy that has nine or ten targets,

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Speaker 2: but they're not gonna be maybe quite as deep. Do

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Speaker 2: you guys feel like your skill sets and then throwing Darius,

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Speaker 2: who's kind of like your rock there, really compliment each other.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no doubt. I mean me and Jalen have

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Speaker 4: got acted in just letting them know. I'm like, bro,

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Speaker 4: you don't realize how much you're gonna help me, and

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Speaker 4: and vice versa two. I mean, once they start biting

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Speaker 4: so much things over the top. And I just keep

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Speaker 2: So have you seen safeties being a little bit more

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. I mean you can tell whenever he's in there,

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Jets defense. You talk about seeing

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Speaker 2: You've played a couple of defense this year that I

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Speaker 2: think play the same type of bass coverage.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: San Francisco similar, Seattle is similar. So what can you

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Speaker 4: You really know it's gonna be like a four man

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Speaker 4: into the zone coverage. So just doing a little bit

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Speaker 2: Vertical when you play those three deep coverages. I know

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Speaker 2: its zoned, but in some ways, is it almost like Man,

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely. I mean those outside guys, especially if

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Speaker 2: And obviously the way that the Jets rush to pass

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Speaker 2: Seattle used to do too, right, you know, you keep

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Speaker 2: So do you see how their secondary works together with

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no doubt. I mean those dbs know that

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Speaker 2: I talk about the rush, let me ask from your

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely. I mean, we got all the confidence

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely, I say, I mean you can go

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Speaker 2: After Sunday, I saved the toughest question for last. Are

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: You're ready for a change. Comes early with citizens So

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Speaker 2: That's Giants Wide receiver Wondough Robinson, Giant Fans. I just

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Speaker 2: watched this great new series with Eli Manning Champion the Journey,

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Speaker 2: thank Wandell Robinson. Now let's get the Lance Metal. He

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Speaker 7: Breaking rights at MetLife Stadium up for grabs this Sunday,

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Speaker 7: for the first time since twenty nineteen. To help break

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Well, it's a pleasure having you on the program.

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Speaker 1: Yes, huge challenge for Wilson. I think back to the

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Speaker 7: As far as the offensive line is concerned. They lost

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Speaker 3: Given all of these changes they've had to deal with.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, he is like the X factor for them because

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Speaker 7: at it just from a statistical standpoint, the numbers haven't

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Speaker 7: necessarily been spreading the wealth across the board. Is it

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Speaker 7: the tight ends? Is there another receiver that they want

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Speaker 7: to get more involved?

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Speaker 3: How would you best assess that situation?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Jets are like a team with

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Speaker 1: a clip cut number one receiver and Garrett Wilson and

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Speaker 1: just a lot of threes and fours. You know, they

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Speaker 1: don't have like a really good number two receiver. It's

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Speaker 1: supposed to be Alan Wizard, but you know, he's been

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Speaker 1: kind of pedestrian the first few games, and so they

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Speaker 1: don't have a clear cut number two option. I think

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Speaker 1: Tyler Conklin probably is. Tyler Conklin has been effective in

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Speaker 1: the passing game. He's had some good plays where he's

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Speaker 1: had some yards after the catch. On one play in Denver,

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Speaker 1: he looked like Bivarro. I think he carried some guys

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Speaker 1: for about twenty yards, of course, reminiscent of the nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty six Mark Bavaro play against San Francisco. I asked

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Speaker 1: Tyler about that after the game, and he said he

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Speaker 1: actually had people texting him videos of the Bavarro play

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Speaker 1: and saying, hey, you just you pulled the Bavaro. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure he knew who Bavarro was, but he does now.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, so yeah, I think he is probably the

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Speaker 1: second best option they have in the passing game. It

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Speaker 1: is clearly kind of an issue for this offense as

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Speaker 1: they've been evolving, and you know, they traded away with

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Speaker 1: Cole Hartman. I didn't quite understand that trade, and I

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna see more out of their rookie receiver

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Speaker 1: Xavier Gibson. I think they're really going to try to

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Speaker 1: give him more snaps.

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Speaker 7: And he's also provided a nice spark on special teams.

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Speaker 7: Of course, the game winning score against the Buffalo Bills

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Speaker 7: earlier this season. As we're talking with Rich Simini, he

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Speaker 7: covers the Jets the ESPN NFL Nation reporter. Let's flip

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Speaker 7: the script ridge to the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 7: It goes without saying that Jets have one of the

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Speaker 7: best defenses, and their defensive front has plenty of wealth

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Speaker 7: and talent, but I would argue their linebacker Quincy Williams

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Speaker 7: maybe perhaps the true MVP of that side of the ball.

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Speaker 7: I'm curious how much you maybe agree with that assessment

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Speaker 7: and why he's been so effective in the middle of

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Speaker 7: that defense.

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Speaker 1: Great point, Lance. In fact, I think if you took

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Speaker 1: a vote now of the players on defense, I think

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Speaker 1: he might be their defensive MVP. He's come up with

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Speaker 1: some huge plays. He had the late fourth quarter stripsack

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Speaker 1: in Denver that resulted in a scoop and score for

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Speaker 1: Bryce Hall, which stealed the game. And so he's made

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Speaker 1: some really big plays he got paid offseason and I

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Speaker 1: think it was three years, eighteen million. And it's a

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Speaker 1: cool story because he was cut by Jacksonville and the

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Speaker 1: Jets picked him up. And at first we thought we thought, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is just the you know, they did him a

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Speaker 1: favor because they have his brother on the team, Quinn,

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Speaker 1: and it's a cool brother story. But he's improved constantly,

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Speaker 1: you know, year after your year, and you could see

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Speaker 1: it last year starting to come to you know, come

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Speaker 1: to fruition for him. He's really really fast. I mean

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Speaker 1: he is a sidelined a sideline linebacker. His past coverage

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Speaker 1: has improved. He's become a good blitzer. Now he doesn't

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Speaker 1: blitz a lot. This is not like the Giants defense.

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Speaker 1: The Jets don't blitz a lot. But when he does,

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Speaker 1: he's usually pretty effective. And he's been. His goal is

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Speaker 1: to make the Pro Bowl this year. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he will or not. We got a long way

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Speaker 1: to go, but so far he's had a Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 7: Year and he's responsible for the high volume of takeaways

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Speaker 7: they have. You look, thirteen, I mean that puts them

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Speaker 7: tied for a third in the NFL. I was looking

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Speaker 7: rich back at the numbers, and they had sixteen all

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Speaker 7: of last season, which is it's crazy. I mean, they're

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Speaker 7: that close to matching and surpassing it. Normally I would say, Okay,

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Speaker 7: the scheme is a product of creating the takeaways. I

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Speaker 7: don't want to say it's luck. So what do you

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Speaker 7: attribute to why has the volume skyrocketed so much this season?

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a great question because last year, I

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Speaker 1: mean it was the exact opposite. They went games, you know,

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Speaker 1: several games toward the end of the year without getting

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Speaker 1: a single takeaway, and now all of a sudden, they're

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Speaker 1: coming in bunches. And so you can't even say they've

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Speaker 1: been getting doing it against bad competition because against Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and Jalen Hurtz who finished one, two three

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Speaker 1: and the MVP voting last year, they have eight interceptions

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Speaker 1: against those guys, So they've been facing good competition. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I can't say, I mean they're pressure. They're

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Speaker 1: getting good pressure on the quarterback. I think they're fourth

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Speaker 1: in pressure percentage, but they're not getting sacks. It's just

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Speaker 1: been pressure. And it's the same scheme as last year,

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Speaker 1: and it's largely the same cast of characters. So maybe

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Speaker 1: just more familiarity in the scheme has something to do

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Speaker 1: with it, But it is unusual. It's one of those

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Speaker 1: hard to explain things.

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Speaker 7: And what was most impressive to me, Rich is the

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Speaker 7: fact that they're coming off that win against the Eagles

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Speaker 7: and they're down Sauce Gardner and DJ Reid, their top

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Speaker 7: two quarters, yet they still get before takeaways. I guess

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Speaker 7: what I'm getting at is what does that say about

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Speaker 7: the depth of the secondary. Perhaps, I know the defensive

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Speaker 7: front helps, but you're down both of those guys, yet

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Speaker 7: you still keep Jalen Hurdson company with AJ Brown and

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Speaker 7: DeVante Smith and all those weapons pretty much in check.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they also didn't have their fourth corner, Brandon Echles,

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Speaker 1: who was out, and then their slot guy, Michael Carter

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Speaker 1: was actually got hurt towards the end of that game.

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Speaker 1: So for a little stretch they were actually playing without

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Speaker 1: their top four corners, and they had a couple of

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Speaker 1: guys up from the practice squad. Brice Hall, who a

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Speaker 1: draft pick from a few years ago, has come in

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Speaker 1: and done a solid job. I do expect Gardner and

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Speaker 1: Reid at Eckles to be back this week, so their

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Speaker 1: secondary should be whole again. But I think partly of that

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Speaker 1: is the scheme. You know, it's a lot of it's

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Speaker 1: a zone based defense, so they're not putting these guys

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Speaker 1: in a lot of man demand situations, which helps. And

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Speaker 1: also the pass rush. They were able to generate some

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Speaker 1: pressure against a really good Eagles offensive line. Now Lane

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Speaker 1: Johnson did get hurt in the first half, you know,

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Speaker 1: the all pro right tackle, so that helped for sure,

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Speaker 1: but the Jets were able to get enough pressure, which

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Speaker 1: really helped the back end.

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Speaker 7: And speaking of pressure, I mean clearly it circles back

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Speaker 7: to where you and I started on the defensive front.

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Speaker 7: That the guy's up front, it's so strong, it's so deep.

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Speaker 7: But what at least has been surprising to me Rich

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Speaker 7: is Will McDonald, who they drafted the first round. He's

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Speaker 7: playing fourteen percent of the defensive snaps and he clearly

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Speaker 7: has not I think god and maybe as much of

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Speaker 7: an opportunity as most people anticipated coming out of the draft.

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Speaker 3: What is that a byproduct of?

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Speaker 7: Is that the fact that they just have so many

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Speaker 7: guys good in front of him, or he hasn't shown

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Speaker 7: enough over the course of practice thus far.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, combination of those, he's probably their fourth or fifth

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Speaker 1: defensive end. I mean, Jermaine Johnson really has stepped forward

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Speaker 1: this year, their first round pick from last year. And

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Speaker 1: then you know John Franklin Myers. And then you have

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Speaker 1: Bryce Huff who comes off the bench, who's one of

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Speaker 1: the leaders in the league in pressure percentage. He's like

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Speaker 1: instant you know, instant pressure when he comes and he

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Speaker 1: can disrupt all the time. And so even they have

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Speaker 1: Carl Losson, who's probably he's slipped on the depth chart.

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Speaker 1: He's probably fourth and fifth. So you're right, McDonald has

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Speaker 1: not done much at all. And he's a smaller guy,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think they expected a transition for him

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Speaker 1: this year. He's only about two hundred and forty pounds

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Speaker 1: to forty five, so he's a situational guy. They don't

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Speaker 1: really trust him to play first or second down against

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Speaker 1: the run, and so this is kind of like a

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Speaker 1: red shirt year for him, much like it was last

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Speaker 1: year for Jermaine Johnson. And they're just hoping that with

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Speaker 1: a full year in the offseason program that McDonald can

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Speaker 1: can build himself up body wise and become more of

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Speaker 1: a you know, more part of the rotation.

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Speaker 7: So Reggie you mentioned the team is well rested, clearly

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Speaker 7: because they're coming off the buy, though, I was looking

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Speaker 7: at these numbers and it's a bit baffling following the

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Speaker 7: buy under Robert Saloon.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you're familiar with this. They're zero and two.

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Speaker 7: The numbers aren't Pretty're averaging eight points allowing thirty two. Now,

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Speaker 7: in fairness, they played the Patriots two times at Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 7: so context is important. Is there anything though to read

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Speaker 7: into that beyond x's and o's since Robert Salad took

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Speaker 7: over as the headman.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a small sample size. I know they've

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Speaker 1: they've actually goes back even further than that. I think

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Speaker 1: they've lost six or seven in a row of coming

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Speaker 1: out of the buy. So yeah, they got They had

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Speaker 1: two debacles against the Patriots. One was where they gave

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Speaker 1: up like fifty points and that was a blowout, and

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Speaker 1: then the other one last year was where it was

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Speaker 1: the ten three game where they lost on a walk

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Speaker 1: off punt return and Zach Wilson had that horrendous game

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Speaker 1: that ultimately led to his benching. I think it's clearly

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Speaker 1: enough of a concern for the Jets to put a

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Speaker 1: lot of time and energy and to try to figure

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Speaker 1: it out. They have this sports science department, like every

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Speaker 1: a lot of teams do now, and I think this

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Speaker 1: was a part of their off season planning, is what

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Speaker 1: to do after the bye week, So they tweak their

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Speaker 1: schedule a little bit, you know, like minor stuff, you know,

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Speaker 1: just move some things around during the day, just to

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Speaker 1: try to change things up a little bit. So, I

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Speaker 1: mean they acknowledge that it is an issue and that

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Speaker 1: they've been studying and trying to be better out of it.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing they have to figure out is

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Speaker 1: they're a lousy first half team. I mean the Jets

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Speaker 1: first quest. I don't know. The Giants have been dealing

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Speaker 1: with this as well. They're playing from behind every week

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Speaker 1: and something's got to give this week, I would think.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Jets have trailed in every game at

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Speaker 1: halftime this year. It's like they don't come alive until

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Speaker 1: the second half. That's another issue they have to solve.

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Speaker 7: Well, I'm glad you went there, because the Giants didn't

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Speaker 7: score a first half touchdown until their last game against

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Speaker 7: the Washington Commanders this season, So you're right, they are

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Speaker 7: a bit of mirror images.

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Speaker 3: Rich.

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Speaker 7: You got two offenses that are struggling both under twenty

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Speaker 7: points a game and two defenses. The Jets have been

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Speaker 7: more concert I would argue, then the Giants, who have

639
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Speaker 7: come alive over the last two games. I think if

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Speaker 7: we do the paper test, you would say this game

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Speaker 7: is probably going to be a low scoring affair. It

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Speaker 7: could be seventeen fourteen, thirteen ten.

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Speaker 3: Do you see it that way, rich Or?

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Speaker 7: Is this going to be something that surprises all of

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Speaker 7: us and both offenses are going to all of a

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Speaker 7: sudden catch fire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see that happening. I think this is

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Speaker 1: what's the over unders like thirty six on this game

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Speaker 1: or something like that, which for an NFL game is

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Speaker 1: ridiculously low. Yeah. I totally see a low scoring field

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Speaker 1: position kind of game that maybe special teams becomes a factor.

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Speaker 1: I could see a field goal kicking contest between Zerlin

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Speaker 1: and Gnot. I mean, that wouldn't surprise me at all.

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Speaker 1: Hunting will be key the Jets, you know, I know

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Speaker 1: that Thomas morste has had as a real solid year,

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Speaker 1: you know, good directional punter. I know if the Giants

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Speaker 1: have had some issues on both ways, you know, catching

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Speaker 1: the punts and punting them. So maybe that's a factor

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Speaker 1: in the game. But you're absolutely right, Lance, I see

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Speaker 1: this as a low scoring game.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you bring up a great point about

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Speaker 7: special teams. Field positioning could very well dictate if you

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Speaker 7: get good starting field position so that you're able to

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Speaker 7: get an extra field goal or two, that could very

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Speaker 7: well decide this game. Rich before I let you go,

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Speaker 7: whenever the Giants of the Jets play, everybody tries to

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Speaker 7: maybe make more of this matchup than it is, and

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Speaker 7: we bring up the rivalry. I'm curious, because you've covered

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Speaker 7: the Jets for a very long time, You've spoken to

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Speaker 7: a lot of players that have been on both sides

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Speaker 7: of the equation.

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Speaker 3: Is this truly a rivalry?

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Speaker 7: I mean, given the fact they play once every four years,

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Speaker 7: they're not in the same conference, they're not in the

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Speaker 7: same division. What is truly on the line in the

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Speaker 7: game like this, I guess is what I'm getting at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's a great question. It's not rivalry.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, the old phrase, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you know you've been around long and the old

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Speaker 1: thing for bragging rights. I mean, there's no real bragging rights.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even remember who won the game in twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen until earlier this week when I started researching this

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Speaker 1: week's games. So you know, in the old days, I

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Speaker 1: think maybe it meant more because the players, you recall,

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Speaker 1: in the offseason, they did some charity events together. Even

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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I remember going to like

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Speaker 1: Jets Giants were playing basketball, you know, at high school

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Speaker 1: gyms around the area, and those things would get a

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Speaker 1: little chippy as well, And so maybe there was a

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Speaker 1: little more then and now. I talked to a couple

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Speaker 1: of players yesterday and John Franklin meies was actually kind

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Speaker 1: of funny. He goes like, I don't want to be

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Speaker 1: the King of New York. I want to be the

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Speaker 1: king of the NFL. And he's like big brother, little brother.

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Speaker 1: He goes, I don't give a blank about that. So

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Speaker 1: some of the players admit that there's a little extra

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Speaker 1: to it. I think the Jets are more intrigued by

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Speaker 1: the fact that they're going to be on the opposite sideline.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're going to say that's weird being the

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Speaker 1: visitor in their own stadium. So yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: a little different because it's the two teams in New York,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey, But I wouldn't call it a rivalry. They

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Speaker 1: don't play often enough to be a rivalry.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you.

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Speaker 7: I think there needs to be some substance behind it,

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Speaker 7: to pack some punch, to justify perhaps a rivalry back

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Speaker 7: and forth and cleterally, we haven't seen that.

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Speaker 3: He is, Rich Semini.

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Speaker 7: He covers the Jets ESPN NFL Nation Reporter to help

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Speaker 7: week number eight. Rich greatly appreciate the time of the inside.

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Speaker 7: Always good catching up with you. Enjoy the game and

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Speaker 7: look forward to talking down the road.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Lance, enjoy the game. Should be

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Speaker 5: As always were dreaded by the head coach of the

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Speaker 5: New York Giants. Brian Dable.

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Speaker 3: Coach.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, you guys are coming off a win last week

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Speaker 5: against Washington. Complimentary football was really the order. What's the

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Speaker 5: key to that being a successful recipe?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I think if you know you can get

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Speaker 8: up early and change the flow of the game, so

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Speaker 8: the defense can you know, rush the passer on some

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Speaker 8: of the passes. That always helps. Taking care of the football,

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Speaker 8: which we got to do a better job of we

744
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Speaker 8: had previously the prior couple weeks, not giving them short

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Speaker 8: fields to give their offense, you know, easy opportunities to

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Speaker 8: score and then holding them back there and you know,

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Speaker 8: three and outs are keeping them on their side of

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Speaker 8: the field. So it gives the offense good field position.

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Speaker 8: You know, the turnovers certainly help, you know the one

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Speaker 8: that Tay had, and then they got the personal file

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Speaker 8: that helps on short field. So everybody dialed in, working

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Speaker 8: together doing the necessary things. But I'd say ball security

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Speaker 8: and ball disruption are our key components to it.

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Speaker 5: Can you explain to the fans that are listening right now,

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Speaker 5: you know what has been the keys to the evolution

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Speaker 5: of this defense becoming a massive strength for this football team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think each week, you know, right from the get go,

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Speaker 8: you try to improve certain things. You know, based fundamentals

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Speaker 8: like tackling, staying over the deep ball, you know, doing

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Speaker 8: the things you need to do. Each game plan. Each

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Speaker 8: game plans a little different. Each offense you're going against

763
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Speaker 8: is a little bit different, effecting the passer. You know,

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Speaker 8: those are all key elements.

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Speaker 5: You're playing the Jets. The Giants only play the Jets

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Speaker 5: once every four years. You as a football coach, you

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Speaker 5: as a team, it's all about a series of one

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Speaker 5: game winning streaks. So you'll try to get your second

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Speaker 5: one game winning streak this week. Do you feel any

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Speaker 5: sense of rivalry from a coaching and team standpoint, or

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Speaker 5: is that really more something for fans to enjoy.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 8: Like I've said before, I have great appreciation for it's

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Speaker 8: it's important, but the most important thing for us is

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Speaker 8: is getting ready to play a good team that's three

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Speaker 8: and three and playing good football and doing the necessary

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Speaker 8: things we need to do to try to get the

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Speaker 8: results we're looking for.

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Speaker 5: Coach, they have a fantastic core of defensive players. It

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Speaker 5: looks like they're going to get Sauce Gardner back in

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Speaker 5: this game. He had been knocked out with a concussion,

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Speaker 5: but he's been practicing full. What makes their defense such

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Speaker 5: a challenge because from a lot of different metrics, they're

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Speaker 5: tops in the NFL in a.

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Speaker 8: Lot of areas. Yeah, well star with They have good players,

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Speaker 8: that's number one. And then they have a scheme that

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Speaker 8: you know, coach Sala really believes in and has been

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Speaker 8: successful for a while. They are zone based defense. They

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Speaker 8: do a good job of reading the quarterback and taking

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Speaker 8: the ball away. They rotate their line like a hockey shift.

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Speaker 8: All capable players that cause issues both in the run

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Speaker 8: and pass game. It always starts up front. They got

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Speaker 8: two good corners that can cover. They got a very

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Speaker 8: good middle linebacker, so they got really good players, and

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Speaker 8: they play extremely fast, do the things that good defenses do.

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Speaker 8: Play good in the red zone, take the ball away,

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Speaker 8: don't give up a lot of points, particularly in the

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Speaker 8: second half as the game goes on. So definitely a

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Speaker 8: challenging defense and one of the better defenses in the league.

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Speaker 8: That turned the ball over quite a bit against them,

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Speaker 8: I'd say, really really top notch quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, they've got thirteen takeaways this year and

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Speaker 5: they as you mentioned, they've played some really good quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: Let's go to the other side of the football. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: with Aaron Rodgers not playing, Zach Wilson is back in there.

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Speaker 5: He seems, at least from the naked eye, that he's

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Speaker 5: playing a cleaner brand of football. What are you seeing

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Speaker 5: as some of the things that you know make him

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Speaker 5: dangerous along with the rest of their offense with Hall

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Speaker 5: and Garrett Wilson on the outside.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I think that coach Hackett's done a good

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Speaker 8: job with him. You see study improvement, and you know

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Speaker 8: they play the game the right way. They don't turn

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Speaker 8: the ball over. Breeze has done a fabulous job of

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Speaker 8: creating explosives and changing field position or scoring when he

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Speaker 8: touches the ball, and you know, he's a he's one

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Speaker 8: of the top notch backs right now coming off that

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Speaker 8: a cl playing extremely good football, you know, and Wilson

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Speaker 8: you got to account for Wilson to Wilson, if you will.

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Speaker 8: Wilson's a very young, very good, young, talented receiver. And

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Speaker 8: they're and they're doing the necessary things. They're playing complimentary football.

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Speaker 8: You know, they had the Chiefs right down to the end,

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Speaker 8: you know, they'd be obviously Philadelphia, Buffalo, you know, Denver

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Speaker 8: at their place. So they're they're a very good football.

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Speaker 5: Team, coach, you know, complimentary football. It's a term that

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Speaker 5: you use. I'm not sure if fans always necessarily understand it,

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Speaker 5: but if you could educate our audience just a little bit.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're an offensive guy, and everybody wants to

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Speaker 5: see team score. But punting is not always a bad thing,

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Speaker 5: is it.

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Speaker 8: No, you know, you try to end every drive with

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Speaker 8: a kick offensively. Obviously, extra points is what you're aiming for.

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Speaker 8: But each game is different. The teams you're playing are different,

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Speaker 8: teams have different strengths, and you have to, you know,

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Speaker 8: try to come up with a game playing collectively, not

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Speaker 8: just on one side of all collectively in all three

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Speaker 8: phases to you know, give yourself the best chance to win.

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Speaker 5: And then the final question. It's weird that I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: end with this question, but one of the things that

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Speaker 5: I feel like as part of this complimentary football is

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Speaker 5: that your punter, Jamie Gillen, has been very effective as

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Speaker 5: far as direction of punt, height of punt and last

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Speaker 5: week especially in that win. What improvements have you seen

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Speaker 5: in his game?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, true pro but he's he's done a fabulous job

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Speaker 8: this year for us. I'm glad we have him. You know,

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Speaker 8: he's he's a huge part in terms of the field

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Speaker 8: position aspect of the game. And you know he's gonna

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Speaker 8: have to play well this week as his graham. You know,

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Speaker 8: those specialists are very important usually when you have, you know,

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Speaker 8: good specialists that make their kicks or have good kicks

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Speaker 8: and the snappers. That's the first, uh, that's the first

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Speaker 8: thing in terms of you know, having a good special teams. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: and especially this time of years, the wind starts to

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Speaker 8: pick up and it's swirling in the building.

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Speaker 5: But it should be a lot of fun today. Coach,

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Speaker 5: we wish you nothing but the best of luck.

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Speaker 2: to our guests. We'll see you next time on The

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Speaker 2: Giants Little Podcast. Enjoy the game this weekend, everybody,