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Speaker 1: of the biggest flops I ever remember. I mean the anticipation,

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Speaker 1: the private sector. I think this was more about, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm recording a podcast here in an hour with Colin,

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Speaker 1: so I will probably reiterate this thought. I think the

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Speaker 1: moment Micah started laying on the training table and showed

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Speaker 1: up eating nachos, that was like the straw that broke

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Speaker 1: the camel's back, and it was like a double f

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Speaker 1: you to Jerry, and Jerry's in his eighties stubborn. Maybe

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Speaker 1: the documentary, I would say, influenced to be like, hey, Jerry,

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Speaker 1: because everyone was saying, remember when Jerry was a badass,

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Speaker 1: Remember when Jerry would take these crazy risks, And now

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Speaker 1: Jerry's like kind of on easy Street, Like Jerry's not

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Speaker 1: going against the grain anymore. It's like, oh, he's just

435
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Speaker 1: gonna sign Steede Lamb, He's just gonna sign Dak Prescott.

436
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Speaker 1: What did we all say, He's just gonna sign Micah

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Speaker 1: Barsons until he traded him. So I think it's less

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Speaker 1: about like the Molghetta situation and more about like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're like, we're not gonna deal with this anymore. We're

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Speaker 1: not good with them or without him at this point

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Speaker 1: in time, and we're gonna trade him. But we gotta

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Speaker 1: trade him to a place where he will sign because

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Speaker 1: no one would trade for him until he signed on

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Speaker 1: the contract. Zero chance. I mean, Whenkalil Mack was traded,

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Speaker 1: he immediately signed a contract with the Bears, A big

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Speaker 1: fan of the show. With the Packers trading for Micah

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Speaker 1: and the Eagles edge room a little concerning. My question

448
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Speaker 1: is this, when building a defense for a deep playoff run,

449
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Speaker 1: what's more crucial dominant defensive tackle play or star edge? Well,

450
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Speaker 1: think who the best defensive player on the Eagles was

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Speaker 1: last year down the stretch it was Jalen Carter, a

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Think about the current dynasty going in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: who's their best defensive players? A defensive tackle? I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have thrown out the highest paid

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Speaker 1: defensive ends have not even been winning playoff games, let

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Speaker 1: alone Super Bowls. Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt, Max Crosby. You

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Speaker 1: know when the forty nine ers, like, they had some

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Speaker 1: good teams, like Nick Bosa had a lot of help.

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Speaker 1: They had his first the first run they had, they

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Speaker 1: had DeForest Buckner and Eric Armstead, And a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago they had Eric Armstead and Javon Hargrave. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they both matter. I don't think, you know,

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Speaker 1: in theory, you could take Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White.

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Speaker 1: You know, the game was a little bit different back then,

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Speaker 1: you weren't passing as much. But I don't think if

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Speaker 1: you gave the average team the option, like would I

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Speaker 1: rather have the greatest defensive tackle of all time or

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Speaker 1: the greatest defensive end, I think there would be it'd

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Speaker 1: probably be split. It wouldn't be unanimous either way. I

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Speaker 1: think you just feel very, very comfortable having a dominant

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman. So whether that's Aaron Donald, whether that's Miles Garrett,

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Speaker 1: I think most people, just for an individual season, would

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Speaker 1: take Miles Garrett. Like if you put Max Crosby on

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Speaker 1: a really if you just put him on the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: or the Bills, like I think he would immediately win

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Speaker 1: the Defensive Player of the Year, assuming he stayed healthy.

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Speaker 1: But like when you're on shot of your teams, you

478
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Speaker 1: know it's it's this is a team sport, you know,

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Speaker 1: can't you kind of you know that Number four, the

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Speaker 1: edge rusher for Miami making all the plays down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: It helped that his DB's were making plays behind him.

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Speaker 1: Like you did help? You cannot do it yourself? Telling

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Speaker 1: you we got a lot of Cowboys questions? Uh, big

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Speaker 1: fan question for the bag. The Packers I feel won

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Speaker 1: the micro trade by leaps and bounds. Two first round

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Speaker 1: picks in the late twenties in an aging defensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: Seems good, but not amazing offer. What do you think

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Speaker 1: the logic is for Dallas? Is it strictly just a

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Speaker 1: money thing? Were other teams just low balling them? I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you that the Packers got him because they paid

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Speaker 1: him a lot of money. I mean more money than

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Speaker 1: I would imagine other teams were interested that. There's probably

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Speaker 1: a price points like yeah, we'll go up to one twenty,

494
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Speaker 1: where they gave him one hundred and forty million dollars guaranteed, right,

495
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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty eight million dollars, So the cap

496
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Speaker 1: numbers are pretty low the first couple of years. But

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Speaker 1: the only way to get that to go away is

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Speaker 1: like ideally you give him another extension, right, so you

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Speaker 1: get like seven eight years of Micah Parsons. I also

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Speaker 1: think we can debate how great of a player is.

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Speaker 1: He's clearly a excellent Pro Bowl, all pro level talent.

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Speaker 1: He has an elite skill coming off the edge and

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Speaker 1: rushing the passer, and that is a very important skill.

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Speaker 1: But he does have some flaws, like you can, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, run at him. There are two options when

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Speaker 1: you have Miles Garrett, Aaron Donald, TJ. Watt, whoever, Max Crosby.

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Speaker 1: I'm just picking the guys in the league now, but

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Speaker 1: you go through the history of the league, you either

509
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Speaker 1: run away from them, like with Deon Sanders or Revis,

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Speaker 1: you just simply don't pass at them. With a defensive end,

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Speaker 1: you got two options. Can I run at him and

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Speaker 1: wear him down? And also it's like that's not his strength,

513
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Speaker 1: he's more of a pass rusher. Or do I need

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Speaker 1: to run away but you're not running at Lawrence Taylor

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Speaker 1: or Reggie White. You're not running at Aaron Donald, You're

516
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: not running at Max Crosby. You run away. You don't

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Speaker 1: want to run away from Micah Parsons because his greatest

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Speaker 1: skill is like chasing you down the line. He's one

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Speaker 1: of the best athletes on the field. But what do

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Speaker 1: you do? You run out him because he's not that

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Speaker 1: big relative to some of these guys. He's not Reggie White.

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Speaker 1: So where have teams taken advantage of him in some

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Speaker 1: of the big games. They've gone right at his ass.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that is a question mark of

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Speaker 1: like can he become a better run defender or are those

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Speaker 1: limitations always going to be part of it? Because if

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you the most money humanly possible at your position,

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Speaker 1: which is what they just did set a record, do

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Speaker 1: you have any flaws? Because ideally I wouldn't want you

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Speaker 1: to have any flaws. I was texting with someone in

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Speaker 1: the league, like, if all things are being equal, there

532
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Speaker 1: are countless other players I would rather have, Like I

533
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Speaker 1: would rather have Max Crosby in twenty twenty five. Again,

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Speaker 1: obviously Mike is gonna have better numbers and the team's

535
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: gonna be better in the Packers. But like, no one

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Speaker 1: would say that Michael Parsons is nearly as good as

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. Yet everywhere I see the media again, no

538
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: one's acting like he's not a really good player. Right.

539
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: He's a good player, He's he's a very skilled player.

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Speaker 1: But he's now the face of the Packers, the face

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Speaker 1: of the Packers, and they're expecting him to be the

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Speaker 1: best player in the league when he's not even the

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Speaker 1: best player in his position. Now, I also understand, and

544
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Speaker 1: I watch Goodakin's press conferences and la Floor is like,

545
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Speaker 1: when do you ever get the opportunity to get a

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Speaker 1: player like this? I mean, the answer is rarely, it

547
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Speaker 1: doesn't happen. This trade's happened twice in like the Internet age,

548
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Speaker 1: Khalil Mack and Michael Parsons. But I've said this and

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Speaker 1: I believe this. Khalil max is At the same time,

550
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Speaker 1: when they were both traded, Khalil was a better player

551
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Speaker 1: because he was a more You couldn't run at Kalil Mack.

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00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: You ran at Khalil Mack. He threw your offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: and tied end the other way. He dominated in the

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Speaker 1: run game. Now, Mike is slightly better as a pass

555
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: rusher maybe, but not that big a gap. So like

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Speaker 1: when I go all in now the Bears, turns out

557
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: they had mitchter Bisky and he wasn't that good. Comparing

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Speaker 1: this to Reggie White, I mean, Reggie White is one

559
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: of the greatest players in the history of the league.

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Speaker 1: There was nothing he couldn't do. You didn't run at

561
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Speaker 1: Reggie White. If I go, I can run at you,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, and I understand why they did

563
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Speaker 1: that because they go Rashan Garry, You're not running at him.

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Speaker 1: So like, our defensive line and our coaches are good. Again, like,

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Speaker 1: most players have some flaws, right, unless you're It's a

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Speaker 1: very very small percentage of guys that can do everything well.

567
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Speaker 1: But this isn't a perfect player, and it's definitely not

568
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Speaker 1: a perfect personality, you know. I mean, he's Albert Breerro.

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Speaker 1: You know, some people like the Dak Prescott, the CD

570
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: Zach Bartin some of their holdouts. No one had any

571
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: issues with that in the locker room. That clearly was

572
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Speaker 1: not the case with Micah. So it's not like he's

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Speaker 1: mister TJ. Watt, Max Crosby, see Miles Garrett. There was

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Speaker 1: an article right when they gave him the extension this offseason,

575
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Speaker 1: you know, they wanted to be a little bit better leader,

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Speaker 1: which I'm sure there were some flaws maybe about just

577
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Speaker 1: like is he the first guy in the meeting room,

578
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Speaker 1: but he's so fucking good, such a dominant player. Everyone's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just like Jordan Mylotta when they're practicing against the

580
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Speaker 1: Browns this year in a joint practice, he like gave

581
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Speaker 1: a press conference. He's like, I don't even know, there's nothing.

582
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is. And Jordan Mylott

583
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: is one of the biggest freaks in the league. He's like,

584
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Speaker 1: we were just laughing in the film room, like what

585
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Speaker 1: that's perfect? What was I supposed to do? You know,

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00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: Micah's not that so I again, I think everyone Jerry

587
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: his logic and the way he got here is a

588
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: little crazy. But the actual like trading Micah Parsons, I

589
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: don't think is that nuts. And again like his lever Now,

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00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: if you want the timing of it, he would have

591
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: had more options and more teams would have been willing

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00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: to spend before the draft. All for that totally agree.

593
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: So it's like it shouldn't have got to this point.

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00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: If you were going to trade him, you trade him

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Speaker 1: before the draft, and that's on Jerry. But I think

596
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: people just act like they just traded Lawrence Taylor, and

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00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: I just I just disagree. You know, I think if

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Speaker 1: you just turned on most talking heads, they acted like

599
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Speaker 1: if the Chiefs would have traded Patrick Mahoons or something.

600
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: Can you believe the Ravens traded Lamar? That's how everyone's acting.

601
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know if I see it that way,

602
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Ideally, the whole point of a draft is

603
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: to find Micah Parsons. But this notion that he is

604
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Speaker 1: just if there's a video game like one hundred out

605
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: of one hundred player, I just I would disagree with that.

606
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: I mean, some people believe he's a little overrated. Have

607
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: you watched John Mattier play yet? The Sooner schedule is brutal,

608
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: but he looked good. One philosophy I have when when

609
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: evaluating these college games, like I don't put that much

610
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: stock when you like even Bryce Underwood, who Oklahoma Michigan

611
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: are gonna play, It's gonna be awesome, can't wait, But

612
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: like you play New Mexico, Like I just can't take

613
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: the game that seriously, not that the point is to

614
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Speaker 1: win whether you win by twenty or whether you win

615
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: by forty. But after watching Clemson LSU in Ohio State Texas, like,

616
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Speaker 1: I just put little to no stock in games against nobodies,

617
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: I really do, so it's he's obviously a good player.

618
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: I texted some scouting buddies that I don't want to

619
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: say that are on the fence, but they think the

620
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: hype's pretty strong for what they just at least saw

621
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: in practice. But listen, this game. You throw three or

622
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: four touchdowns on Michigan and you beat them and you're

623
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: two and zero. Shit, same thing with Bryce. Bryce goes

624
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: into Oklahoma, throws a couple of touchdowns, they win. It's

625
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: a big ass game. You look at the schedule this week,

626
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Speaker 1: it is by far the best game on the slate.

627
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Speaker 1: Disappointed Bama fan, Honestly, it fits to where this cowboy hat.

628
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: We're talking a lot of South a lot of cowboys.

629
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: I just watched a team completely out physical US, look bigger,

630
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: faster and stronger and play way harder than us, and

631
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 1: they weren't even an SEC team. We look like a

632
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: fucking Pac twelve team that cuts deep, hard, for me

633
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: to dispute it that though, My question is this, do

634
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Speaker 1: you think the board retains his job this year? And

635
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: if not, do you think Bama makes a play at Gruden.

636
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: This has to be really hard, you know, it's I've

637
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: been broke, I've had a little money. It's easy to

638
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: go from the you know, start at the bottom and

639
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: then go up. I can't imagine being one of these

640
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: guys that was like lost it all, was living high

641
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: on the hog and then lost it all. That has

642
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: to be a very humbling feeling. You know, whether you

643
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: go bankrupt, whether your business goes you know, under, whether

644
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: you risk it all in some business move and it

645
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: just goes up. That that that has to that sucks, right.

646
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: I can't imagine kicking everyone's ass for a decade and

647
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: a half, beating the living piss out of everyone you

648
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: look at, and knowing it it's like this, this game's

649
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna be a joke, honestly, being tested a couple times

650
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: a year and just knowing in every big game you

651
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: got the advantage doesn't mean you're always gonna win. They

652
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: obviously Sabing lost some games. It's gotta be a little

653
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: bit like Belichick at the end when in the with

654
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: the Patriots, but it was a little different because Bill

655
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: was still there when they sucked, like Nick was in

656
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: the playoffs against Jim Harbaugh. Then just left and then

657
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you suck. It's south. The one

658
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: thing I will say, when Florida State's right, when Clemson's right,

659
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: when Miami's right. I was always told this, and it's

660
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: and I believe this. Those are three programs that recruit

661
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: SEC players that play ACC schedules. So Florida State a

662
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: couple of years ago had an SEC roster like Jared

663
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: Verse is an SEC player, Brydon Fisk is an SEC player,

664
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman is an SEC player. I mean, the two

665
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: teams that were trying to get them were LSU and

666
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: Florida State when he went in the transfer portal from

667
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: Michigan State. So I listen, you didn't lose to cal Pauly.

668
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: You didn't just lose to Kansas State. And in fairness,

669
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: Kansas State is nothing in common with cal Pauly football.

670
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: But my point is, you didn't just lose to a

671
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: little school. You lost to a school. I think part

672
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: of it is the fourteen and a half point spread,

673
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: because everyone just assumed that to and ten that they

674
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: Florida State sucks. Maybe they don't suck, maybe they were

675
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: ten win team. Now you guys got some issues. I

676
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: see a lot of people you got what's his name

677
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: bringing the anxiety doll There is just a softness. You

678
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: go back and google some of the pregame speeches, not

679
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: for Nick, but from the players in their heyday. It

680
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: might have it sounded like Seal Team's six. They were

681
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: there to execute their opponents literally and physically. And now

682
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: it feels like, you know, if Ryan Williams is the

683
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: face of your program, you got some problems. And in fairness,

684
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: he was there when Debor got there. But yeah, I

685
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what to say. I do

686
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: think the overall premise, and I talked about this on

687
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: Monday night, is you you don't have Phil Knight or

688
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: t Boone, Pickens or Notre Dame's billionaires. You're not gonna

689
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: pay Debor seventy million dollars to go away, pay your

690
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: roster twenty five to thirty million dollars to play, and

691
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: then pay a new coach eighty ninety million dollars. Because

692
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: the one thing about Gruden listen, Gruden's a horror when

693
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: it comes to his money, right. Well, they asked Jerry

694
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: Jones one time, like why'd you name your team at

695
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: and T Stadium. He's like they paid the most. Like

696
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: that's always kind of been Gruden's the thing. Remember, it's like, oh,

697
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: he loves the Raiders and Mark Davis. Mark Davis give

698
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: him a ten year, hundred million dollar contract. It's like

699
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: a didn't love him that much. So, like he said,

700
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: we have five years fifty million school, He's like ten

701
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: one hundred. I'm in Jesus. So I have a hard

702
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: time seeing and I listen to other people in the

703
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: college football world say that I think we need to

704
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: pump the brakes a little bit about you know, the

705
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher days when you could pay a guy forty

706
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars to go away. Though those days are

707
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: done because you are allocating at these big programs twenty

708
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars to your players. So where's this extra

709
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: that that is Even if you would have had the

710
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars, you now need seventy and that's not

711
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: even counting the new coach. I think it's way more

712
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: complicated now. Financially than it used to be, even at

713
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: a program like the other thing with Bama and a lot.

714
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: This is a lot of these schools. You know, before

715
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: they had to start paying the players, they got all

716
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: this money, they used to just invest it into their facilities.

717
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: I saw on YouTube the other day that the golf

718
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: team at Alabama it's a forty seven million dollar facility.

719
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: It's incredible. They have like their own little special nine

720
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: hole course. They have this incredible practice. Where do you

721
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: think that money came from the golf team? Of course not,

722
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: it came from football. Football generates eighty ninety percent of

723
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: all the revenue at these schools, and obviously Nick Saban

724
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: was the all time cash cow. So they've invested that money.

725
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: It's not like they just have put away all this

726
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: money and they've put it in the stock market. It's

727
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: just gonna pay for everything. If they had done that,

728
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: then yeah, they would have a lot more flexibility, but

729
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: that is not what happened. I believe you have a

730
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: lot of respect for FSU in their program, and with

731
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: nil you can reset pretty quick. FSU does not get

732
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: a home game. I think didn't they play that game

733
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: at home? But has your stance on Klin changed. Aren't

734
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: these players? Aren't these his players? Now? Can bam a compete?

735
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: I talked about this on Monday Night. I do think

736
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: there's a disposition to him that is just the polar

737
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: opposite of Nick Saban. Nick Saban was a hard, charging, aggressive,

738
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: in your face, intense guy, and obviously to get to

739
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: the level that Caitlin has, he's not like not ambitious

740
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: or not focused and detailed. But personalities change. Bill Belichick

741
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: is a lot different than Andy Reid. That's a lot

742
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: different than Pete Carroll. That's a lot different than Sean McVay.

743
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: That's a lot different than Dan Campbell and the Hardball Brothers.

744
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: Like everyone's personality is unique to themselves, and Saban's kind

745
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: of a dying breed of human. That type human doesn't

746
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: exist as much anymore. The guy that had made hundreds

747
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars, who had won several national championships

748
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: by twenty twenty, he was still trying to win another one.

749
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: It's like, where do you get this drive in your seventies?

750
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: That's he's kind of a rare bird. They don't really exist,

751
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: and he's even different from most other successful coaches so

752
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: my thought on him would be I think his personality.

753
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a substitute teacher, because he's accomplished

754
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: a lot, but his personality is one that clearly guys

755
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: are not listening to and not taking seriously. If someone

756
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: forwarded me they've had more penalties in every single game

757
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: since he's been there, Saban would kill ten people. If

758
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: that happened after like two games, let alone how many

759
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: they played last year, nine and four thirteen, fourteen games,

760
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 1: people would literally be executed and the boosters would burn

761
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: the bodies in front of everybody on television. No one

762
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: would care. It just wouldn't fly. There are certain things

763
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: that are tolerated, there are certain things that are not tolerated,

764
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: and clearly things that are being tolerated in that program

765
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: would never have been tolerated with. Nick would like to

766
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: hear some analysis on Arch from your scouting perspective, since

767
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: most people are just talking about performance relative to the hype.

768
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm no scout, but I think his arm talent is

769
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: really unimpressive. He can't make off platform throws, and any

770
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: different arm angles looked mostly disastrous. I don't see any issues.

771
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: I don't see these issues as solvable this year. And

772
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: I think if his name was Arch Middlcoff, he probably

773
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: would just be playing at Rutgers. Would love to get

774
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: your take. PS can't wait for the NFL. There is

775
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: no arguing that his arm talent is not great relative

776
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: to all time hype guys. Right, Like, when you watch

777
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: Cam Newton in college spin it, you went holy shit.

778
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: When you watched Caleb Williams spinnett, you went holy shit.

779
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: So when I've seen a lot of people call him

780
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: a generational talent, to me, part of a generational talent

781
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: is either encompass size and arm Like that's why luck.

782
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: He had it all he was six y five, he

783
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: was two hundred and forty pounds. He could run, he

784
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: could spin it, he was accurate, he had it all right. Caleb,

785
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: to me, is not a generational talent because he's kind

786
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: of short. Now if he was six y five, when

787
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: you have those physical characteristics, the talent now the player

788
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: who knows right. But Caleb can really spin it. And

789
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: you watch Caleb right away at Oklahoma, he went holy shit.

790
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: Watched the ball come out of his hands. He went

791
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: to the ball come out of arches. You're like, now, listen,

792
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning is a top five quarterback of all time.

793
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: I would argue that Jill, I'm blue in the face.

794
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: He threw something that he claimed was a wobbly spiral.

795
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning did not throw a great ball. It was

796
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: actually pretty ugly in the air. Some would call it

797
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: like a wounded duck. But you know what, it was

798
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: perfectly accurate. He would hit you directly in the hands. Now,

799
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: his mind was a huge part of his game, but

800
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning did not sling it around like he was

801
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: Josh Allan or Patrick Mahomes. So when I watched arch

802
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: I went, well, he doesn't throw a great ball. His mechanics,

803
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: now granted he's a young player, are just atrocious. His

804
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: arm's not that strong, and clearly he's not that accurate.

805
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: So there's a lot to work on in this notion.

806
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people go everyone needs to

807
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: pump the brakes. No one was gonna judge arch onlike

808
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia Fooldom. I expected that. Of course, it's his

809
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: first start against an NFL defensive coordinator that studied under

810
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: Belichick for two decades. He's gotta get fooled at an interception.

811
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: No shit, welcome to football. But like when you just

812
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: watched them physically, you went, am I missing something here?

813
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to kick the kid when he's down,

814
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 1: But he doesn't have a great arm. I remember watching

815
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: high school tape of him thinking like, am I missing

816
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: something here? Now, he's a good athlete, he's clearly a

817
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: likable guy. His teammates like him, but his arm talent

818
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: is average. And then so if you got average arm talent,

819
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: you're not accurate. Your mechanics suck. Like Peyton Mannings got

820
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: the greatest mechanics of all time. His footwork's perfect, and

821
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: he was like that in college. So yeah, I'd be

822
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: a little nervous. Basically a question why does everyone sleep

823
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: on Justin Herbert? We get this a lot. I think

824
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: it's just an easy one. He's been a disaster last

825
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: year in the playoffs. I think a lot of people

826
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: get offended when he's comped to the top group of

827
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: mahomes Allen Lamar Burrow, which I listen, there's some fairness there,

828
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: but like, there's no disputing his talent, and I think

829
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: if you buy into his coach with that talent, he's

830
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: going to be Okay, Now, is he going to be

831
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: an all time great player? I wouldn't bet the farm

832
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: on it, but I think when the dust settles, we

833
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: will look back at Herbert fondly enjoy the first I've

834
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: got a question, do you think that most first round

835
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: draft picks that don't work out just don't put in

836
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: the time to be great. For example, Chase Young was

837
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: the second overall pick and had a great rookie year,

838
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: but then kind of fizzled out into an average player,

839
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: not the generational player he was projected to be. I

840
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: think I'd have to look it up, but when did

841
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: Chase Young get injured? Because I think a guy like

842
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: him in his style, like he was not a Bendi player.

843
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: He was much more of a power rusher, kind of

844
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Speaker 1: like a clowney, a little like Khalil Mack, I guess.

845
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: But in his second year he tore his acl and

846
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: putel attendant. So I think it's fair to assume that

847
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: if he had been healthy, maybe he doesn't become Hall

848
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: of Famer, but I think he would have been a

849
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: really good player. When you rip your knee in half,

850
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: it's a problem. Now, Sometimes you rip up your knee

851
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: and you go on to have a great Brandon Graham,

852
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: I think I think my first year in Philly was

853
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: his rookie year. I'm pretty sure he ripped up his

854
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: knee to have a great career. So I don't know.

855
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: I think some injuries are clearly worse than others. Obviously

856
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: this every individual responds to injuries differently, And yeah, I

857
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: think I think injuries factored in. But I definitely believe

858
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: that some guys that flop don't work hard. I think

859
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: sometimes if you're not smart enough to handle football, you know,

860
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: in college, you could dumb stuff down in your talent.

861
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: If you're a top you know, couple round guy, you're

862
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: just so much better than everyone else. In the NFL,

863
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: everyone's really good. So if you struggle to learn football,

864
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: if you're not an instinctive football player, there are a

865
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: lot of variables. You could find an individual that would

866
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: check every box. Guys that didn't work hard, that flamed

867
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: out right, JaMarcus Russell, Johnny Manziel, guys at all positions.

868
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: You can find guys that had major injuries earlier in

869
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: their career derailed them. I think you could find human beings.

870
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: And I think this is like in any walk of life.

871
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: That for whatever reason, lose their confidence, never get it back,

872
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: and it derails their career. They stop believing in themselves

873
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: because one thing, when you're a good player in college,

874
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: the coach is gonna believe in you, the fans are

875
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: gonna believe in you. Then I get to the team

876
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: and I'm the twentieth pick in the draft, I have

877
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: some bad games, I lose my confidence. What if the

878
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: coaches turn on me? What if at the end of

879
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: the year those guys get fired and all of a

880
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: sudden I get new coaches and they don't like me.

881
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: So I think that's an underrated part is a confidence.

882
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I think you could check a

883
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: lot of different boxes on why guys have failed historically. Okay,

884
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: well end on this. What are your thoughts on Utah

885
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs for the Big Twelve at plus

886
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: three ten plus four fifty, respectively, So it's plus three

887
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: ten to win the Big Twelve and plus or I

888
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: guess to make the playoffs is plus three ten and

889
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: to make to win the Big Twelve is plus four

890
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: to fifty, which is pretty good odds. I love this bet.

891
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: What am I missing? Utah was so good for back

892
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: to back essentially three straight years when Kyle Whittingham really

893
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: hit his stride in the back twelve, you know, beating

894
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: sc beating Oregon, winning every big game that mattered, and

895
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: last year was obviously really embarrassing. They were the betting

896
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: favorite to win the conference and then Cam Rising got

897
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: hurt for the tenth time and they went to karate kid.

898
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: Well that's what my wife calls Zach Wilson, his brother.

899
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: And clearly their quarterback situation was a joke. I mean

900
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: it was really really bad. And now they with their

901
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: transfer portal guy is from New Mexico, and they also

902
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: brought his offensive coordinator. If their quarterback play is solid,

903
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: their team's gonna good because they're always gonna have NFL

904
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: defensive players. They're well coached, they're tough. I watched the

905
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: Big Twelve, Like, to me, I want to root for

906
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: the guy David Randa because he's a bald guy. I'm out.

907
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: I just don't take them seriously. Texas Tech, they have

908
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: a lot of money invested into that operation. I'm pretty

909
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: sure their quarterback just got injured. Colorado's just not going

910
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: to be good enough with their quarterback, you know, Asu

911
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: it was Week one it was hot, but they were

912
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: kind of in a tough game with Nau for a minute.

913
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: I think the Big Twelve is pretty wide open, and

914
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: based on this resume, I don't even think it's close.

915
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: He has the best resume of any team in that cord.

916
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: Now you could argue Iowa State that they look pretty good.

917
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: They play Iowa this week, which doesn't impact whether they

918
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: win the conference or not. But if I was a

919
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: betting man right now to win the Big Twelve, I

920
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: would say the two lead lead dogs would be Iowa

921
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: State or Utah. And I feel pretty good just betting

922
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: on Utah and Kyle winning. You. I think he's someone

923
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable placing money on. So I like that bit.

924
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: Good question. Appreciate the questions keep firing in those dms

925
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: at John Middlecoff. I will put away this cowboy hat

926
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Speaker 1: until Jerry does something else crazy. The volume