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Speaker 1: And welcome to Lake Kick Is Live.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday night, January fourth of our lower twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two. Had screwed up the year so far, and

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Speaker 2: we're like a tenth of the way into a month now,

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Speaker 2: so I mean we're on a good pace. We're jam

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Speaker 2: packed tonight when we're high a top downtown Nashville, Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: it stops snowing for the moment where we've got some

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Speaker 2: more in the forecast. My sources tell me for later

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Speaker 2: this week. But look, we got a jam packed show.

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Speaker 2: Dare I say a red hot show tonight if I

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Speaker 2: want to sound really lame. If they sold tickets to

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Speaker 2: tonight's show, I really think would be standing room only.

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Speaker 2: It's been a good day for us because, like I

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Speaker 2: said on Twitter earlier, I thought, my personal opinion, we

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Speaker 2: had one of the best editions of the Late Kick

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Speaker 2: Extra podcast that we've done in some time earlier today

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Speaker 2: it was so good Jesse listen to it, and so

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Speaker 2: that's probably all you need to know about that. If

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Speaker 2: we couple that with a good show tonight, which plan

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Speaker 2: on doing, if I don't screw it up, it could

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Speaker 2: be a pair of the best productions that we've done

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Speaker 2: in several months, and we've been in the middle of

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Speaker 2: a football season. But there's just a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 2: And here's the word of the year last year and

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Speaker 2: this year. Sort of a confluence of a lot of

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Speaker 2: different events has transpired to just give us red meat

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Speaker 2: after red meat after red meat to toss out.

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Speaker 1: And that's the kind of show we like to do.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, I got a Nick Saban truth pill that I

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Speaker 2: just need to dole out to everyone. I'm gonna take it.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna take it. We're all gonna take it. And

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Speaker 2: I don't really so much care if you want to

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Speaker 2: or not. You need it. It's best for you. This

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Speaker 2: is the modern day flintstone vitamin. It's best for you.

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Speaker 2: The transfer portal on fire, what's new? Multiple angles to

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Speaker 2: hit tonight. But I'm not gonna do the old. Caleb

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Speaker 2: Williams is out of Oklahoma, where do I think he's

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Speaker 1: I can do that if you want me to.

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Speaker 2: But I have some things to talk about with the

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Speaker 2: transfer portal, because for about the last time I've had

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Speaker 2: someone come to me and say, well, Josh, if coaches

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Speaker 2: can move all over the country, why can't players table that?

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why in a little while. It's

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Speaker 2: not that they can't. That's a very, very dumb comparison.

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Speaker 2: But it hasn't been shot out of the air yet,

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Speaker 2: So if no one else is going to do it,

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Speaker 2: we'll shoot it out of the air.

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Speaker 1: Tonight.

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Speaker 2: The SEC East may be shifting right beneath our very feet.

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Speaker 2: We will discuss, of course, Georgia from the SEC East

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Speaker 2: playing in a National championship game. We're headed to Indianapolis

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Speaker 2: later this week for that, and we're going to go

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Speaker 2: back in time about what sixteen or seventeen years. We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about the five Rose Bowl, which took

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Speaker 2: place New Year's Day six But of course we are

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Speaker 2: not savages around here, and so we understand that we

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Speaker 2: refer to the end of any season as the previous year.

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Speaker 2: This is not the NBA where they split the season

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Speaker 2: into two years. The Five Rose Bowl technically happens in

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Speaker 2: six just like next Monday night, we're going to play

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one National Championship Game. That is not debatable.

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Speaker 2: That's just the way of the world, and you got

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Speaker 2: to deal with it. At Lake Kick Josh, make sure

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Speaker 2: you follow on Twitter and Instagram. We had a very

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Speaker 2: fun day today. I had to put a leash on

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Speaker 2: Brandon Walker and walk them around Twitter a little bit earlier.

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Speaker 2: I probably am not done with that today. And a

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Speaker 2: lot of you jumped in and helped, and I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: You just when you have casual come out in some folks,

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Speaker 2: you got to expose it. See, here's the thing about

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Speaker 2: casual attitude. Some non casual people can say casual things sometimes,

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Speaker 2: but casual people rarely say non casual thing. So Brandon

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Speaker 2: Walker's got to decide which camp he's in, and that's

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Speaker 2: his business, that's not my business. But also I want

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Speaker 2: to remind you and I did to start the show.

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Speaker 2: And one more thing I want to tell you is

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Speaker 2: the Late Kick Extra podcast. We've gotten tremendous traction on

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Speaker 2: that all year. For those unfamiliar, we release it every

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Speaker 2: Tuesday morning, every Thursday morning in the podcast feed late

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Speaker 2: Kick search it anywhere you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: But it's only a podcast.

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Speaker 2: It never appears on the YouTube channel, never appears anywhere else,

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Speaker 2: and it's become really popular and it is it is

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Speaker 2: a very high performing product for us. So I'm on

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Speaker 2: the fence right now. I need your help on this.

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Speaker 2: You've shot down like three of my ideas, So here's

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Speaker 2: another idea. I'm going to toss it up to you

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Speaker 2: We could up the production level, not that producer Jordan

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Speaker 2: doesn't already do a good job of it, but we

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Speaker 2: that are already working at a high level.

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Speaker 1: But if you want me to tinker with it, you

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Speaker 2: Like I think our music sucks, but you love the music,

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Speaker 2: so we haven't gotten rid of the music. Well, I

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Speaker 2: think this may be halfway not so good idea, but

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Speaker 2: if you like it, we'll go with it because it is,

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Speaker 2: after all, your show. And that's proof positive that I

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Speaker 2: actually mean it when I say it.

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban, have you ever heard of him? Yes? You have?

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Speaker 2: What do you think of him? I don't know, but

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Speaker 2: every single one of you have thoughts about him. Let's

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Speaker 2: dive in to Nick Saban tonight. There is an issue.

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Speaker 2: Don't go as far as to call it a problem

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Speaker 2: on this show, but there is an issue. Facing college

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Speaker 2: football right now. We have tabbed it the Nick Saban conundrum.

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban is in his fifteenth year at Alabama. He

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Speaker 2: is about to coach in his ninth national championship game

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Speaker 2: in fifteen years. And I dare say that if you

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Speaker 2: they're in Tuscaloos at the Regional Airport, I would venture

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Speaker 2: they would have said, oh, he'll probably make the title

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Speaker 1: Maybe they would have gone that far.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, certainly no one outside of Tuscaloosa would

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Speaker 2: nine years, much less coaching nine title games. So what

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Speaker 2: I wanted to do tonight is I wanted to open

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Speaker 2: there was a graphic floating around. I think Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: College Football tweeted it out today, and it was just

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Speaker 2: It always have been by the years that Nick Saban

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Speaker 1: It doesn't take long.

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Speaker 2: The seven season notwithstanding, so since eight they played in

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Speaker 2: Percy Harvin, all those guys, and so they lose in Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: Tim Tebow, Urban Meyer, those guys going to win the

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Speaker 2: national championship. The twenty ten team, it was his worst

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Speaker 2: but they lost a couple of games. So that twenty

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Speaker 2: Only times they haven't played for a title twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 2: There was this guy by the name of Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: Team Bama played him to within one possession in Tuscaloosa.

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Speaker 1: That is it.

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Speaker 2: That's the entirety of the list. Those are the years

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Speaker 2: Here's the stat. I tweeted it out earlier today. For

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Speaker 2: have a screenshot of it. Listen to this insanity. Nick

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Speaker 2: Saban since two thousand and eight has averaged twelve point

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Speaker 2: five wins, which is noteworthy because you're only guaranteed to

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Speaker 2: play twelve games a year.

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Speaker 1: You only have twelve on the schedule that you're guaranteed.

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Speaker 2: They have won more games on average per year than

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Speaker 2: are on their regular season schedule to begin with. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: that means a ton of conference title game appearances, ton

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Speaker 1: And so I float that out there today.

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Speaker 2: That's an insane stat and anyone of sound mind understands

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Speaker 2: how otherworldly that is. I had one guy, one guy

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Speaker 1: I just had to you know what I did. I

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Speaker 2: This will work on podcasts too, And I did what

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Speaker 2: care of it. We took the trash out the tweeter.

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Speaker 2: This is a love the tweet or hate the tweet

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Speaker 2: the tweeter, not trash the tweet. Trash the FCS argument

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Speaker 2: is a very lame argument because think about how quickly

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Speaker 2: I could take care of that. I could just go

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Speaker 2: schedule Akron or Miami Ohio. Not to hate on the MAC,

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Speaker 2: I'm hating on the MAC. Okay, listen, Miami Ohio, You're

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Speaker 1: And it's over early third quarter at the latest. It

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Speaker 2: I know, technically, if Miami Ohio played Mercer, Miami Ohio

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Speaker 2: has a better roster, they have a better caliber athlete.

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Speaker 2: But if you're really trying to argue semantics with me,

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban's only average of twelve and a half a

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Speaker 2: year because he plays U T. Chattanooga, go somewhere else, please,

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Speaker 2: you don't even believe that. Go somewhere else. So I

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Speaker 2: was thinking this morning as I was recording the Late

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Speaker 2: Kick Extra podcast and was talking about really a lot

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Speaker 2: of the talk about all forms of thirty seven different

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Speaker 2: ways you want to change college football, some of you,

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Speaker 2: not all of you, And it really brought me back

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Speaker 2: it's just added a new layer onto it. Now in

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Speaker 2: college football, we have had for a while what I

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Speaker 2: call the Nick Saban conundrum, and that is a whole

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Speaker 2: lot of people thinking that instead of just waiting Nick

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Speaker 2: Saban out, we've got to blow up the entire sport

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Speaker 2: to circumvent the show hold he has on it. Nick

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Speaker 2: Saban will not be around forever, believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: Who else is dominating?

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Speaker 1: He's just gotten better.

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Speaker 2: He's just taking the changes, and he's only used them

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Speaker 2: free market come out of your mouth. Though it's also

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00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,399
Speaker 2: very humorous to me, I get a kick out of this.

437
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,160
Speaker 2: It is very humorous to me that the same crowd

438
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Speaker 2: who wants to talk free market principles to me all day,

439
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 2: every day, all of a sudden, want forty seven different

440
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 2: forms of regulation when it comes to the playoff.

441
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 1: Pick a lane. That's all I'm asking you to do.

442
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,880
Speaker 1: Pick a lane. It's almost light.

443
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 2: They don't really care so much about any kind of

444
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,400
Speaker 2: principle to begin with.

445
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 1: And I've got a theory. Actually it's a wild theory.

446
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 2: I've still got to do some research on it, still

447
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 2: got to do some interviews and whatnot.

448
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 1: But I have got a.

449
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 2: Theory that most people who claim they're looking out for

450
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 2: the best interest of the players, especially in our industry,

451
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,399
Speaker 2: most of them are full of it.

452
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 1: I think they.

453
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,120
Speaker 2: Probably couldn't care less about the players. I think most

454
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 2: fans and media who are yelling and waving the flag

455
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 2: for players' rights, especially when it comes to these two

456
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 2: points of view, are really just looking for ways to

457
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 2: either get more competition or they're looking for ways for

458
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 2: their specific team to get a few more wins. Now,

459
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 2: I understand that, And if you would just say that,

460
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,440
Speaker 2: if you just come out and say it that way,

461
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 2: I'd disagree with you, but I'd respect you a lot more.

462
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 2: I got folks screaming about players rights and free markets,

463
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 2: and it's like, sh just want to take your index

464
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,120
Speaker 2: finger to the lips.

465
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Speaker 1: You don't care.

466
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Speaker 2: Stop that, Stop pretend like you do. Look, something's gonna

467
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 2: change here. I don't know what. It's very intentionally broad

468
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 2: right now. I don't know what's gonna change. Something's got

469
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 2: to change. And here's why. I think that is the

470
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 2: nil slash portal conundrum. There's that word again. We quite

471
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: literally are in the wild West version of this, and

472
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to be allowed to continue.

473
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Speaker 1: Now.

474
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back to this refrain again and I'm

475
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: gonna bat down. I'm gonna try, and we'll see how

476
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 2: good I do at it. But I'm gonna bat down

477
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 2: a couple of things right now. Something's got to give

478
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: with all of this, the portal slash nil. It won't

479
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 2: continue down this road. It's like a chariot that's just

480
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 2: on fire and it's rolling down the street. Someone's eventually

481
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: gonna put it out. There will be parameters. I fully

482
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 2: believe we're approaching an era where some form of checks

483
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 2: and balances and parameters are put in place, far more

484
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 2: so than what NC double a headquarters has allowed so far.

485
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: The NCAA walked in and they said, hey, nil, it's

486
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 2: a go transfer portal.

487
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Speaker 1: It's a go bye. They left. They just left.

488
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: It's like the uncle who comes over to your house

489
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,719
Speaker 2: if you have children, and you've got a six year

490
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 2: old kid here, and the uncle comes over and pumps

491
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 2: them full of Red bull and candy canes, and then

492
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: about nine fifteen he says, well, see you later, and

493
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 2: you have to deal with a kid. It's like a

494
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 2: pinball until about two am. The NCAA is the irresponsible

495
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,959
Speaker 2: uncle right now. They walked in. They just all we

496
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 2: want to do is enough where you guys aren't making

497
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: fun of us on Twitter anymore.

498
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: So we'll do whatever it takes.

499
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 2: And they did it, and then they said cluya, and

500
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: now you've got.

501
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 1: To enforce it.

502
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 2: Twenty four year old compliance director in Manhattan, Kansas. You've

503
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: got to enforce it. Thanks for the leadership, guys, We

504
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: appreciate it more than you could ever know. Again, I

505
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: will be in Indianapolis this weekend. If anyone wants to talk.

506
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: Outside of a dinner, Rezie I got Saturday night.

507
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: I am down to talk. Something's gonna change. So here's

508
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: what I have heard two refrains. First one I get

509
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 2: thrown my way it feels like eight days a week

510
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: at this point is.

511
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: What's wrong with a free market? Why don't you believe

512
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: in a free market?

513
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: And the second one that follows closely behind it's very

514
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: predictable at this point is wait a second, buddy, you're

515
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 2: telling me coaches can move around this sport freely but

516
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 2: players can't. I'm surprised this has gone on this long,

517
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 2: to be frank with you, because there are a lot

518
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: of smart people in the room, far smarter than me.

519
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: How no one has shot this down like the wounded quail.

520
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: It is is beyond me, but they haven't, so it's

521
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 2: still fluttering about. Every single day. Someone's saying coaches move freely,

522
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: players should be able to move freely, well, ignoring the obvious.

523
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 2: Should be an obvious point that players and coaches aren't equal.

524
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: They're not the same remotely. I'm gonna ignore that for

525
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: a second for you. We're just going to push that

526
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Speaker 2: to the side, pretend like it never came out of

527
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: my mouth. I am going to for argument's sake and

528
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: to speed to show along. Let's just pretend like they

529
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: are both equal. Entities, and they both deserve the same thing.

530
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 2: Give them the same thing. Because the big lie out there,

531
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: I guess it's a fourth big lie in college football.

532
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 2: You've identified three of them this year. The fourth big

533
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: lie is this that coaches move around freely whenever they want,

534
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: wherever they want. No, they don't, No, they don't. That's

535
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: the lie that it's propagated either by people who are

536
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: unintentionally ignorant or worse, they are intentionally intellectually deceitful in

537
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 2: their arguments. I lean towards the latter on some of

538
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: these cats, coaches aren't moving around freely at all. Notice

539
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: what I didn't say there. I didn't say coaches aren't

540
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 2: moving around. I said they aren't moving around freely. Every

541
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: single coach that you watch on TV Saturday has well,

542
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 2: it's a little bit thicker than this, but they've got something.

543
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: Starts with a sea, ends with on tract. It's called

544
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 2: a contract, and there's language all throughout that contract. It

545
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: covers a myriad of different possibilities, and believe it or not,

546
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: one of those possibilities is an exit strategy.

547
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: If you want to go.

548
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: Somewhere else, you choose to focus on the salary, that

549
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: coach is making so many millions of dollars a year,

550
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: These poor victim kids over here making peanuts. I don't

551
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: want to focus on that part of the argument tonight.

552
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: That gets beaten to death. Let's move on from the

553
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: salary for a second, because the players are making money

554
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: now to we're all advocating for a system where players

555
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: make money. We're not amateurs anymore, we're professionals. So the

556
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: coaches can move, players should be able to move. We

557
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: want to treat this as an apples to apples comparison.

558
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: I'm told players and coaches they should live in the

559
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 2: same world and operate under the same guidelines. Well, do

560
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: you really want that, because when coaches move. I know

561
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: it's true that you see a headline that says so

562
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: and so is going from Texas Tech to Kansas. I

563
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: don't agree with the life decision there, but as an example,

564
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: so and so is going from Lubbock to Lawrence. That's

565
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: the end of the story for you, isn't it. Well,

566
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: that's not the end of the story for the legal types.

567
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: The legal types are behind the curtain over there, pounding

568
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: out in the legal details. And those legal details include contracts,

569
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: because there's a penalty when you don't fulfill the terms

570
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: of your contract, including the terms of your deal from

571
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: year to year. You can leave, Yeah, you can leave.

572
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: There's a penalty to be paid. Is Caleb Williams paying

573
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 2: a penalty right now for throwing up the deuces in

574
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: Norman after one or two years? Or is anyone paying

575
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: a penalty for that matter? They're not, are they? Well,

576
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: here's the problem. That's not the free market. That's more

577
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: like me walking up to you on the street, as

578
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: I said on the Extra pod this morning, stabbing you

579
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: in the night, taking your wallet and saying mine.

580
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: Now, free market finders keepers got it? What you're gonna do?

581
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: You know he had it? I got it.

582
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 2: Now, that's the free market. We can't do that. My

583
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: buddy at Enroun can't call me up and say I

584
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: kind of hot tip for you, dude. We can't do that.

585
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: That's called insider trading. It's not how the free market works.

586
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: Still got a free market, got some checks and balances

587
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 2: in there.

588
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: Right now.

589
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: We're at the outset of how the transfer portal slash

590
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: nil world is going to operate. So everyone's about the

591
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: free market aspect with no checks and balances aspect. But

592
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: here's the problem. Those coaches live in a different world.

593
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: Contrary to what you've been told by the cash out there,

594
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: those coaches have been living in a different world. They

595
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: live in a world where there is a financial penalty

596
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: to be paid. If someone wants to leave Louisiana for Florida,

597
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: there is a financial penalty that has to be paid.

598
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: Now it may be their future employer who pays it.

599
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and argue semantics with

600
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: you about who pays it. There is a penance paid

601
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: if you do not fulfill the terms of your contract.

602
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: What are we signing right now? When we sign a

603
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: national letter of intent? I'm being told that really all

604
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: we're signing is ourselves to that university for one year.

605
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: Well, what happens when someone comes along and says, wait

606
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: a second.

607
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: It used to be that you told me you can't

608
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: force those kids to be here four years. You can't

609
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: make them pay a penalty when they leave. They're just amateurs.

610
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: They don't even make money. That arguments out the window.

611
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: They do make money now they will make a lot

612
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: more of it. We're probably headed towards a system where

613
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: these guys are paid salaries. In fact, it will probably

614
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: be a little neater and cleaner when we get there.

615
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: But when we're there, you're almost going to catch yourself

616
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: because when I propose things, if i'm the college football commissioner,

617
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: like you are mandatory two years or three years in

618
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: if you sign that nil And the only way I'm

619
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: letting you out is if your head coach leaves. You're

620
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: going to push back and you're gonna say you can't

621
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: do that. Student athletes, they're not students anymore. You saw

622
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: to that, by the way, not me. You saw to that.

623
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: They're not students anymore. They're professionals. They're just like the

624
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: coaches over there. You're going to sign here, and you're

625
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 2: going to perform on my football field. We're in my

626
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: logo on your helmet, and you're going to perform on

627
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: the stage that our conference's television rights deal allows you

628
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: to perform on. There's a ton of investment on our end.

629
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: So sure enough, you're gonna help us out. We are

630
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: going to benefit from you, but you're benefiting big time

631
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: from us too, And so there's going to be a

632
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: little exchange here. There's gonna be some give and take

633
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: on both sides. You want to come to the University

634
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: of Washington and play, that's fine. You're not going to

635
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: come in here and use us for one and then

636
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 2: say bye. You could do that if you're a student,

637
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: because because we were using you were taking advantage of

638
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: you as a student. But now you're just an athlete.

639
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: You're not a student athlete. You're just an athlete.

640
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: Again.

641
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: The world you wanted, not the world any of us wanted.

642
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: The world you wanted. What happens then a little bit

643
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: of pushback because that's actually how free markets do work.

644
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: So is there a little bit of push back? Then

645
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: then there's a lot of pushback from folks that did

646
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: not think some of those am I going to say it, Yeah,

647
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: some of those ham fisted arguments.

648
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: Didn't think them all the way through.

649
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: You got to think them through to the logical conclusion,

650
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: because see, the way this is going to move is

651
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: a lot of these conference commissioners are meeting this week.

652
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: That's what happens every year with the conference championship and

653
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: especially the National Championship week.

654
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: There are a lot of folks.

655
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: Who are going to be waiting to see if there's

656
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: some news about an expanded college football playoff that comes

657
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: out of those meetings. I'm waiting to see if there

658
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: is word that there is going to be new legislation

659
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: on the transfer portal and nil front, because I can

660
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: promise you, even for those out there who the playoff expanded,

661
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: at least the administrative types, they understand that this is

662
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: a far more pressing issue they can afford to take

663
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: that expanded playoff. Talk to twenty five or twenty six.

664
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: You better take care of this right now. And I

665
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: think enough of them realize that. They don't need me

666
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: warning them. Enough of them realize that. But I just

667
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: want to caution you for everyone out there yelling about players' rights,

668
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: and they should be treated like the coaches and free

669
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: markets as usual, as usual with the arguments of a casual.

670
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to enjoy the results nearly

671
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: as much as you think you're going to. But again,

672
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: press on. I'm just one voice over here. So George

673
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: is playing in the National Championship next Monday night. Good

674
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: for the Bulldogs. We will break that game down in

675
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: full Thursday night. I'll have the preview, I'll have the

676
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 2: game capsule, I'll show you what the model things will

677
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: have the prediction and all that, But in the meantime,

678
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about the SEC East. So George

679
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: is representing the SEC East in the National Championship Game.

680
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: They have been the dominant program in the East for

681
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: a few years now. Now, even though they didn't win

682
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: the East last year, they've still been the top program

683
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: in the East for a while. Let me clearly restate

684
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: my opinion on the National Championship Game next Monday night.

685
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm a believer it's a must win for Georgia.

686
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: I kind of went further in depth on this the

687
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: other night, but I believe it's the best team that

688
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: Kirby's had. It's been the most advantageous path, so much

689
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: so that they could afford to lose in Atlanta and

690
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 2: still make it to the playoff. I certainly think this

691
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: goes hand in hand. It's been the most vulnerable Alabama

692
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: has been. They're in the title game, but that's a

693
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: testament to Alabama. This Alabama team doesn't measure up to

694
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: some of the past great saving teams. And I'm saying

695
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: all that to say, if not now when for Georgia,

696
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: You're gonna hear a lot of people say that it's

697
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: going to be a very old and kind of a

698
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 2: parrotied refrain as the week goes on, So I'll probably

699
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: lean on that less and less as the game approaches.

700
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: But those are three reasons. There's one more reason that

701
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: I haven't talked about on the show yet. I know

702
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: its perception right now that the SEC East is just

703
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: Georgia's birthright and their season really starts when they get

704
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 2: to Atlanta, when they get in the playoff. Don't assume

705
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: that's always the way it's gonna be. The SEC East

706
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: is shifting pretty quickly. Same thing I've told you about

707
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: Clemson for a while, I'm going to tell you about

708
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: the SEC East. Clemson's found out in the ACC those programs,

709
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: the max invest programs, they do not just sit still

710
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: and let you beat on them forever. It may seem

711
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: like that's happening, but South Carolina, Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, they're

712
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: not just gonna sit still forever. In fact, they already

713
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: have made moves. And I would argue, whether it's in Gainesville,

714
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: or whether it's in Knatsville, or whether it's in Columbia,

715
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: Kentucky's already good. I would argue that there have been

716
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: net upgrades found in all three of those towns over

717
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: the past year, specifically with new hires. Well, they've all

718
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: been new hires. They're all a year or less old

719
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: new hires. But it's a different world whenever everyone has

720
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: their crosshairs on you, that's the world that Alabama's lived in.

721
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: Ohio state lives in it. Georgia lives in it. But

722
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: I just want to want to remind you as we

723
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: go into this game next Monday night, I think it

724
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: is a crossroad situation for Georgia. I want you to

725
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: think about this for a second. At Florida, you had

726
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: Dan Mullen there. Georgia fans are being honest when they

727
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: tell you they didn't want Dan mullenfire, even though they

728
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: lost to him last year. They didn't want him fire.

729
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: They were very comfortable with mullin theare now. Most of

730
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: them would also be honest with you if they said

731
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: when they heard Billy Napier was the higher they.

732
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: Weren't really concerned.

733
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: And a lot of them may still not be concerned

734
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: Billy Napier in the moves he's making a Florida. They

735
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: are the talk of the sec Behind the scenes, everyone's

736
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: talking about it. He has surprised a lot of people

737
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: with the staff that he's started to put together. A

738
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: lot of people just had their doubts, and a lot

739
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: of those doubters, I mean, I've spoken to some who

740
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: were doubters that have been silenced. There have been people

741
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: who have changed their tune about Billy Napier in the

742
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: last month based on hires alone. They haven't seen the

743
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: guy coach a game in the swamp yet, they've already

744
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: had some of their fears eased by watching the staff

745
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: he's put together, because that was their main source of

746
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: doubt about what he could walk in there and do

747
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: At South Carolina. This is the program I think that

748
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: overcame this year relative to expectation more so than any

749
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: And there's a specific thing happened in the Carolina So

750
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: the over under was well short of a Bowl appearance

751
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: there and win totals, and not only do they go

752
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: to a bowl, they win it. They win seven games,

753
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: beat Florida, beat Auburn, beat North Carolina in the bowl game.

754
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: So we talked in the summer when I was laying

755
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 2: out what the goals should be there. We just talked

756
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: about putting a nice, promising product on the field. That

757
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: was really code for there's no way they're making a

758
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: bowl game. Well, they overachieved relative to everyone, including my expectation.

759
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 2: They got that vision that you need. We talk about

760
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: it all the time. With new staffs, they will have

761
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: no trouble now, Shaneieber and his staff will have no

762
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: trouble selling South Carolina because they've already given kids a

763
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: product they can buy into and believe in.

764
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: But here's the thing specifically happening there.

765
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: They understand they're not going to go They're in all likelihood,

766
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 2: let me put it that way.

767
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: They're not just going to go toe to toe with Alabama.

768
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: They may not even be in a position right now

769
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 2: to go toe to toe on the recruiting trail with Georgia.

770
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what they can do. They can leverage

771
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: the portal really hard. They could be the Michigan state

772
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: of the SEC and they already showed the propensity and

773
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: capability to do it with Austin Stagner and Spencer Rattler.

774
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: And as I told someone earlier today, we've gotten used

775
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: to the hierarchy and the way things set up in

776
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 2: traditional recruiting. The folks who dominate in recruiting don't always

777
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: have to look the same as the folks who dominate

778
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: the transfer portal. That's the formula at Carolina. You never

779
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: want to build the Christmas tree out of ornaments. You

780
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: never want to make the transfer portal your core strategy.

781
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: But at Carolina they need to own their state. They

782
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,959
Speaker 2: need to be supreme developers of talent and evaluators of talent.

783
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: But then they need to leverage that portal as hard

784
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: as any program in the SEC does, because they can

785
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: be a contender if they do that the right way.

786
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: They've already got.

787
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: Full culture cohesion there so important. They're like the East

788
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: version of Arkansas. But they need that right balance, and

789
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: early returns are very good there. And then at Tennessee,

790
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: I thought what Josh Hipel did in year one at

791
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: Tennessee was pretty staggering. Offensively, remember in the spring, like

792
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: people don't remember this now, the roster turnover they had

793
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: was beyond insane. People were ready to look at Tennessee

794
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: as nothing more than a body. Midway through the season.

795
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: They finished strong, they won the bowl game. Don't let

796
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: anyone tell you otherwise. I heard Paul Finbaum talk about

797
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 2: this the other day. I agree with him, I would

798
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: not hesitate to define that game as a win for

799
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: the Tennessee program. I absolutely believe in that because they

800
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: won the game. It wasn't like a bad call happened

801
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: with six minut to go. They actually I think they

802
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: won the game. So be that as it may. You know,

803
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: you can't go that far because produced it would have

804
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: had a possession. I remember now thinking that anyway, they

805
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: did get screwed in the bowl game.

806
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: But moving forward, what they showed the ability to do.

807
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: Offensively, just with the parts that were already there in

808
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: year one, makes me very excited for what they can

809
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: do in the coming years. And notice that all three

810
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: of these programs, whether it's Napier at Florida, whether it's

811
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: Shane Beemer and that entire culture there at South Carolina,

812
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: or especially whether it's guys like Josh Hipel especially Florida

813
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 2: and Tennessee, those are established, high level football mind guys.

814
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: Those are not guys you look forward to facing. When

815
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: Prewitt was at Tennessee, think what you want about Prewitt,

816
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: Georgia was never worried about facing him. George Folks never

817
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: worried about facing Mullen either. They knew he wouldn't have

818
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: the horses to run with him. I think there's some

819
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: good things going on in the East right now. I

820
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: don't always think this competitive balance is just going to

821
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: be out of whack the way we've come accustomed to

822
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: seeing it. Now, I will say this, I'm not going

823
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 2: crazy here. Yes, Georgia for the foreseeable future will still

824
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: be the favorite in that division, as they should be.

825
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: Yes, they will go into your normal Saturday as a favorite.

826
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: It's not any one team that's going to all of

827
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: a sudden take them down and slay the dragon.

828
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: It's cumulative. It's a cumulative effect.

829
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: It's just understanding that instead of having three touchdowns worth

830
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: of wiggle room on a given Saturday, maybe it's eleven

831
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: and a half points worth of wiggle room. It means

832
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: that you can't afford to bring your B minus game

833
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: into some of these contests anymore. And so it's just

834
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: I think for so many reasons, but this among them.

835
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: The difference in the future of this program, the Georgia program.

836
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: The difference in the future of the Georgia program based

837
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: on the result this coming Monday night, could not be

838
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: any more stark. It's a crossroads moment, but it is

839
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: the twenty twelve SEC Championship game from Mark Rick. That's

840
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: the equivalent for Kirby Smart. I know you assume they'll

841
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: be there half a dozen more times. No matter, like

842
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: I said the other night, no matter to what level

843
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: you invest and recruit, this sport gives you a finite

844
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: amount of opportunities Nick Sabans the exception. There are no

845
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: more Nick Sabans. Outside of that. You get a finite

846
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: amount of reaches for the belt. And you reached once,

847
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: you almost got it in twenty seventeen. Now you got

848
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 2: another shot. You reach again, you miss it again. Someone's

849
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: gonna climb the ladder, give you the old shot to

850
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: the pills. You fall down and you never get back

851
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: up the ladder. That's the way ladder matches always work.

852
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: You know it, and I know it. That's the way

853
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 2: ladder matches always worked. Grab the belt. Take my advice,

854
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: grab the belt. Lastly, but certainly not leastly. Let me

855
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: take a simple water. The voice is in a very

856
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: fragile position right now. I think we'll be good.

857
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: Today.

858
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: I woke up and I saw that someone tweeted out

859
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: the intro to the two thousand and five Rose Bowl

860
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: that was the national championship between USC and Texas. That

861
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: was Keith Jackson on the call. It was perfect. I mean,

862
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: it's about as perfect as college football gets. I view

863
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: it still today as the pinnacle of college football. I

864
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: don't think this sport had ever been better, and since then,

865
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever been better.

866
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: At a moment in time than that moment.

867
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: Everything you would ever want if you wanted to package

868
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: up college football, you wanted to promote one moment in

869
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 2: time and show someone who's never watched the sport why

870
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: it's so great.

871
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: That's the night, that's the game you go to.

872
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: That's Vince Young with less than a minute to go,

873
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: find in that corner of the end zone and Texas

874
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: beats USC in just an absolute thriller out in Pasadena.

875
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: But I was not watching the whole game. Jesse apparently

876
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: watched like a thirty minute special on it today. What

877
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: I saw when I woke up this morning was I

878
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: saw that someone I think it was Noah Taylor.

879
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: He had taken the intro on ABC. ABC carried the

880
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: games back then.

881
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: He had taken the intro that was just about a

882
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: two minute thirty second some on package and he just

883
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: uploaded it on Twitter. Let me tell you that was

884
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: a shot to the senses. If you haven't watched it

885
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: in a while, it was a shot to the senses.

886
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: It comes on. You've got, for my money, the best college.

887
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: Football music that was ever produced, especially for a big

888
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: championship game setting, and that is college football on ABC.

889
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: I don't work for him, but I'm telling you they

890
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: knocked it out of the park when they composed that

891
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: musical score. It's so packed with like urgency and you've

892
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: got clinched fist while you're listening to it, you know

893
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: something BIG's about to happen. And then if you needed

894
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: any further confirmation or validation, there's Keith Jackson narrating it,

895
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: who is literally the soundtrack of multiple generations. Multiple childhoods

896
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: are laced with the voice of Keith Jackson. I am

897
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: so blessed. Then I got to come along. It was

898
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: the back half of his career, but he didn't fade.

899
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: This is the last big game Keith Jackson ever did

900
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: do was as good as ever.

901
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: He knew when it was time. He didn't hang on

902
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: ten years too long.

903
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 2: But what a night and Keith Jackson's narrating that thing,

904
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: and they got the College Football on ABC background music,

905
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: and you're just I'm watching it this morning. Before I'd

906
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: even put my contacts in, I was watching and I

907
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: was thinking, Wow, this is what college football is supposed

908
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 2: to be if you want to see it. By the way,

909
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: I retweeted it this morning. I think it's the first

910
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: thing that you heard from me on Twitter this morning.

911
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: But it was such a shock to the senses because

912
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: it reminds you of what, unfortunately is kind of a

913
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: bygone era. Now, I'm not going to do the old

914
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: man yells at clouds, good old day stuff, but this

915
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: kind of was it. It's not nineteen forty seven eight er.

916
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: This is pretty recent. This two thousand and six New

917
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: Year's Day two thousand and six, Jesse was pointing out,

918
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 2: you know what's crazy That game was played on a Wednesday. Yes, yes,

919
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: that was before we turned our sport upside down and

920
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: insisted it was played on a Monday eight New Year's

921
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: Day Championship game.

922
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: If it's in the Rose Bowl, care if it's Wednesday,

923
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: don't care. We're playing it on New Year's Day.

924
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: But this took me back such vivid memory, so thick

925
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: you got to kind of brush them away from your face.

926
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: As James Earl Jones would say in Field of Dreams.

927
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: This was when college football truly was at the center

928
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: of the universe for everyone associated with the sport. You

929
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: didn't have a bunch of Sunday types who came in

930
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: and said, all right, we're from the NFL, we cover

931
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: the NFL. We're going to model the sport like the NFL,

932
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: and you unwashed college masses get off to the side,

933
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 2: because we're going to professionalize your sport.

934
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: That wasn't it. We weren't there yet. The music was

935
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: unique to college football. The overall ambiance was unique to

936
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: college football. The broadcast was.

937
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: Unique to college football. It was so beautiful. No one

938
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: cared about the opinions of casuals. No one was worried

939
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: that the way we presented the sport was going to

940
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: offend someone who was drive by at best. Anyway, the

941
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: nil nonexistent, portal non existent, The phrase meaningless bowl game

942
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: had never been uttered out of a single mouth. And

943
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: that game ended with one of the true iconic moments

944
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 2: in the history of college football, Vince Young taking it

945
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: to the right corner for the game winning score.

946
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: USC is on the precipice of a three peat.

947
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: That night, and instead that was the dagger to the

948
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: Trojan dynasty. I think about how monumentalists shift in the

949
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: annals of college football. That was so not only do

950
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: you end the USC dynasty, but then on a side note,

951
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 2: it was one of the two last great moments from

952
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: what I call the flashbulb era. It used to be

953
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: if you're twenty three years old, you don't have much

954
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: of a clue what I'm talking about. But it used

955
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: to be back in the day, big moments coincided with

956
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: if you did the panout shot, flash bulbs all over

957
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: the place from cameras that weren't on a cell phone.

958
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: There were just cameras.

959
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: Again, I don't want to go good old days on you,

960
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: but this right here, when you looked at the crowd,

961
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: it was flash bulb city. People didn't have cell phones

962
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: pulled out. I mean, maybe some really really rich folks did,

963
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: but by a large the average joe who had spent

964
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: his kids college fun to get a ticket to the game,

965
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: it's just flash bulbs.

966
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: I miss that era.

967
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 2: The other event, by the way, this event was one

968
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 2: of the last of the flash Bull Bear. And then

969
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: the other was WrestleMania eighteen. It was Rock and it

970
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: was Hogan. It was in the SkyDome. I think that

971
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: was a couple of years earlier. I don't care. I

972
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: could not care less. You like pro wrestling or not.

973
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: If you never watch any other event, just go watch

974
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: that match. I don't know how you're gonna log into

975
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: Peacock to do it. Better find a buddy's log in

976
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 2: and go to WrestleMania eighteen.

977
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: And watch that moment, just Rot versus Hogan. You don't

978
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: have to watch anything else.

979
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 2: It is very, very similar to the moment where Vince

980
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: Young scores and you're looking around and it's almost like

981
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: it is lit up the You don't even need the

982
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 2: lights on cause the flash bulbs of the flash bolts

983
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: and bulbs are lighting up the entire venue.

984
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: What happened to end the.

985
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: Flash Bull Bear is, of course, the cell phone becomes

986
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: so advanced that that's what people take to events.

987
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: I take mind. It's not like I'm a hypocrite. I'm

988
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: not going.

989
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: To public's and buying a disposable camera before I go

990
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: to games. But here's what really sucks about the cell

991
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: phone era. I know what this makes me sound like,

992
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: but just deal with it. What sucks about the cell

993
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: phone era is you know this is true if you

994
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: went to games prior to the cell phone era and

995
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: you go to games now, you know that very rarely

996
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: does the energy in a stadium consistently match what it

997
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: used to be. It's not that people don't know how

998
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: to yell anymore. It's that, for some reason, when big

999
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: things are happening, even though you're gonna get a horrific

1000
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 2: shot from your seat, everyone.

1001
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Feels the need to record video of what they're seeing.

1002
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: Now, I do it, but I'm on the field specifically

1003
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: putting it on Instagram story so you guys can see it.

1004
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: I can assure you if I was sitting in a seat,

1005
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be recording video because you were actually think

1006
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: about what you're doing, just from a pure principle play here.

1007
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: You are sacrificing the only genuine moment that your eyeballs

1008
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: will see what you have paid to see, so that

1009
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: you can have a sketch aft recording of it on

1010
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 2: your eye. Whatever your first name is, that's going to

1011
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: be far below par relative to the shot that you

1012
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: can go watch via replay when you get home. And also,

1013
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: what you're not doing when you're shooting on your phone

1014
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: is you're not making any noise. If you are, then

1015
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: you're bouncing all around and the SHOT's bad. You don't

1016
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: want to sacrifice, let's not sacrifice the integrity of the

1017
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: shot from section three thirty eight, row twenty and so

1018
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: it just it kills the vibe a little bit and

1019
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: not really anything you can do about that.

1020
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: But those were about forty seven of the reasons why

1021
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: boy that five rose Bowld.

1022
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: You didn't know it at the time, did you could

1023
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: very well have been the pinnacle of the sport. Now

1024
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 2: here's what's funny. As I said on the podcast earlier

1025
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: this morning, if I were to take someone who let's

1026
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: say you're seventeen years old, and I were to say, boom,

1027
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: we're teleporting back to five, you would go back there

1028
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 2: and you would be fascint and how many people were complaining.

1029
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: About all sorts of different things.

1030
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: You sit in twenty two early twenty two now and

1031
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: you look at all the different things that there's drama

1032
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: about in college football, and you think to yourself, oh,

1033
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: if we could just go back to five, all of

1034
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: this would be solved, and then you'd go land in

1035
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: five and all these folks will be bickering about the

1036
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: BCS and about how it's just forever going to erode

1037
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: the integrity of college football. What you would have a

1038
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: duty to tell those folks is, please shut up and

1039
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: enjoy this. You have no idea what's coming. Please enjoy it.

1040
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: These kids are still going to be on your campus

1041
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: next year. Everyone loves the sport. Every win means something,

1042
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 2: every game means something. No one has hijacked the sport

1043
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: and tried to sacrifice the four or five months of

1044
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: regular season.

1045
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: For the expense of a few weeks in January. Please

1046
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: enjoy what you have right now.

1047
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: And so if I talk to anyone from five, including myself,

1048
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: that's what I'm going to say. Thank you so much,

1049
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 2: guys for being tuned in. Really good pair of shows today.

1050
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: I would strongly encourage you to go listen to the

1051
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: Late Kick Extra podcast this morning, because we got on

1052
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: a little bit of a roll I didn't expect, covered

1053
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: some things that I didn't necessarily plan on doing for

1054
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: that length of time anyway, So it's good to have

1055
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 2: that back. Good to have you guys here. We've got

1056
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 2: one more live show here in Nashville Thursday. Then I'm

1057
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: gonna go up to Indianapolis. We will have a live

1058
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: show Sunday night in Indianapolis. We're gonna predict the game

1059
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 2: this Thursday. So everything in the way of game.

1060
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: Prediction will be able to wait this Thursday. So thank

1061
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: you so much.

1062
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: Make sure you're following Twitter and Instagram at late kick

1063
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: Josh five star reviews for the podcast. You can give

1064
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: five star reviews on Spotify now just a little leftyi,

1065
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: So if you haven't done it, you haven't been able

1066
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: to come to the party on Spotify.

1067
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: You can do it now. Apple, you know the deal.

1068
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: So for producer Jesse for direct column for our entire

1069
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: crew here, thank you so much having yourselves a great

1070
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: rest of your evening.

1071
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: God bless