Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
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Speaker 1: host Kyle Yeoman's Oh, we are oh so close to
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Speaker 1: one NFL Draft. And that's the purpose of this show specifically,
Speaker 1: is you could have watched all forty of our shows previously,
Speaker 1: or this could be the first show that you listen to,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna know what's going on this weekend. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a fun time. We've got Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: Jeff Cavanaugh, Bucky Brooks is on his way. He's got
Speaker 1: some TV duties to take care of early on, but
Speaker 1: Bucky will be here in just a couple of moments.
Speaker 1: But Brian, I mean it's right around the corner. Is
Speaker 1: it nervous time yet? Is if we talked about it
Speaker 1: about I think it was maybe last week about how
Speaker 1: you start getting into that nervous feel of the draft.
Speaker 1: But is it there yet? Is that is? Are those
Speaker 1: butterflies there? Yeah? I think right now for the guys,
Speaker 1: that's it's a time where you've become very reflective at
Speaker 1: this moment. You know, you might sit in your office
Speaker 1: or kind of go back through your notes one more time.
Speaker 1: Maybe did you make good enough point about a player
Speaker 1: to get him in the right spot. I know for
Speaker 1: a fact the pro guys are on the phone working
Speaker 1: with the other teams. You want to make sure that
Speaker 1: you check with him, say hey, listen, we're open for business.
Speaker 1: If you guys want to come see us. We're just
Speaker 1: sit and dropping down. You're just trying to throw some
Speaker 1: chum in the water right now and see who could
Speaker 1: come up, who could go back. But it is it's
Speaker 1: a very reflective time because, like I said, I used
Speaker 1: to sit there myself and just look at the board
Speaker 1: and you just want to look at all those names
Speaker 1: and you kind of visualize how this thing is going
Speaker 1: to come off, and if you could kind of get
Speaker 1: that in your mind, it'll better help you to when
Speaker 1: players start coming off and knowing where you need to
Speaker 1: be to get the player you want. Jeff, have you
Speaker 1: taken an extra look at your notes? Have you? Have
Speaker 1: you decided to maybe put our Darius Washington the safety
Speaker 1: from TCU up a couple more stop spots haven't heading
Speaker 1: into tomorrow, there's nowhere to go for our Darius. You
Speaker 1: can't get any higher than the safety one, So there's
Speaker 1: nowhere from my tiny man to go. My tiny man
Speaker 1: is right where he's gonna be. And I tell you
Speaker 1: that is the only part of it that is a
Speaker 1: little bit nerve wracking is when the way that you
Speaker 1: feel about a player is not the way that basically
Speaker 1: the rest of the world feels about a player. And
Speaker 1: you're just watching to see this play out where you're like, yep,
Speaker 1: smallest safety ever, giant outlier. The whole world's gonna factor
Speaker 1: that in and pick him in the fifth round. And
Speaker 1: are you going to be that one guy that stands
Speaker 1: there and goes, no, I believe and I am. I
Speaker 1: believe that we will win us and I of course yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I think what's really interesting about what
Speaker 1: Jeff has done, and I really do appreciate this about him,
Speaker 1: is the fact that you really don't want to get influenced,
Speaker 1: and we do get influenced. I'm not gonna lie about that.
Speaker 1: There's there's certain things that happen that you read you
Speaker 1: see you here. I mean, I was out this morning,
Speaker 1: I talked to three different teams walking around, and you
Speaker 1: talk about, you know here, different approaches and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But if you're one of those scouts that could put
Speaker 1: all that aside and have the belief that that player
Speaker 1: is going to be the best player, then I think
Speaker 1: that's a great trait and a great skill to have.
Speaker 1: Do you think that scouts nowadays, especially with all the
Speaker 1: technology and the easy of communication and just how simple
Speaker 1: it is to have that input maybe invade your war room,
Speaker 1: do you think it's harder nowadays for these scouts in
Speaker 1: these front offices to avoid being influenced on guys like
Speaker 1: Ard Areas Washington. Well, I know I could speak for
Speaker 1: experience really quickly here the fact that the scouts have
Speaker 1: not been able to travel to these schools, because what
Speaker 1: happens is you might have five scouts at a particular school,
Speaker 1: and they travel from place to place with each other,
Speaker 1: and they see each other at these schools and they talk.
Speaker 1: They talk about, Hey, I saw this kid at Missouri,
Speaker 1: I saw this kid at TCU. I saw this kid.
Speaker 1: And you could get influenced by talking to your friends.
Speaker 1: Guys you trust, galls you trust. You can't get influenced
Speaker 1: by man, what am I not seeing in this guy?
Speaker 1: Or what are they not seeing? And the fact that
Speaker 1: the scouts did not travel together this year might make
Speaker 1: for some interesting selections were a little bit more but
Speaker 1: pure Jeff Kavanaugh approach. I like it. I think it's
Speaker 1: something that we'll look at approach moving in. What was
Speaker 1: that see ideal approach? The Jeff Kavanaugh approach is fairly
Speaker 1: the best way to draft. I'm sure the board across
Speaker 1: the hallway in the war room probably says the exact
Speaker 1: same thing that you have on yours, just because it's
Speaker 1: the Jeff Kavanaugh approach. I kind of wanted to set
Speaker 1: the stage here though, and going off of what Brian
Speaker 1: just said specifically about how there are going to be
Speaker 1: those conversations this year and it's such a unique draft
Speaker 1: process with no combine, only the pro days to go by,
Speaker 1: and then even then, scouts were really unable to travel
Speaker 1: to as many pro days and to hit as many
Speaker 1: schools as you normally would. But this is going to
Speaker 1: be an interesting draft where really a lot of us
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. And Jeff, I know specifically,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this for quite some time. But
Speaker 1: whenever tomorrow night rolls around, just how many surprises are
Speaker 1: going to be on that first round board and then
Speaker 1: heading into the second because we just don't necessarily know
Speaker 1: what these front offices are thinking, or maybe even the
Speaker 1: front offices don't know exactly what they're thinking. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think there'll be plenty of surprises. I wonder what it'll
Speaker 1: mean for movement in terms of how many teams are
Speaker 1: going to move around in the round, But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we'll get plenty, Like there will be names that
Speaker 1: we haven't mentioned too often as first rounders I think
Speaker 1: could pop up his first rounders because it happens every year.
Speaker 1: And now when you add in what Brian is talking about,
Speaker 1: where you don't have because he I know what Brian
Speaker 1: was doing when he was a scout. Brian was over
Speaker 1: there hobnobbing and gossip in Hey what do you think
Speaker 1: about that? Lsu get people are out there getting influenced
Speaker 1: and now it's now. I think it's pretty pure. And
Speaker 1: I also think when Jerry mentioned at the presser that
Speaker 1: you know, these scouts haven't seen these players as much
Speaker 1: as usual, So it's not just that you're not influenced,
Speaker 1: it's also that like in this organization, and every organization's different,
Speaker 1: but in this one, Jerry Jones going to listen to
Speaker 1: a lot of different people, and how much is he
Speaker 1: going to listen to his coaches considering that his scouts,
Speaker 1: he may not feel have as good a feeling on
Speaker 1: players because they haven't been around him as much. So
Speaker 1: I think every organization is going to be different. I
Speaker 1: think we'll hear probably four or five names that you go,
Speaker 1: oh okay in the first round and we'll see how
Speaker 1: it plays out. But the Hayes in the barn baby
Speaker 1: like butterflies. Get the butterflies out of here. It's party time,
Speaker 1: this is go time. Well, I think the thing that
Speaker 1: and where Jeff is right about this is that there's
Speaker 1: people out there right now that are telling me that
Speaker 1: this is not a traditional draft. And when they talk
Speaker 1: about traditional drafts, it's like defensive tackles, defensive ends. You know,
Speaker 1: we've had receivers up there, you have all these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: up there. This is just not a traditional way it's
Speaker 1: gonna go. And I totally agree. Everybody believes that they're
Speaker 1: going to be those wow picks that are going to happen,
Speaker 1: and you know, and we need to be ready for that.
Speaker 1: I talked to a guy this morning two that was
Speaker 1: doing a mock draft where he was basically he'd thrown
Speaker 1: up his hands. He's like, listen, I'm gonna miss the
Speaker 1: third pick at San Francisco. It's gonna be completely wrong,
Speaker 1: and I'm like going do a mock draft where you
Speaker 1: just trade everybody. I go, if you have some type
Speaker 1: of you know, you have a better chance of talking
Speaker 1: about moving around a gravid players, you know, and maybe
Speaker 1: being right as you do saying what San Francisco is
Speaker 1: gonna do at three, what Atlanta is gonna do it
Speaker 1: for what? You know, what Detroit's gonna do at seven.
Speaker 1: You have a better chance of just kind of talking
Speaker 1: about chaos, potential chaos as you do do it, picking
Speaker 1: that thing chalk and being somewhat right. When I love
Speaker 1: that conversation because We started to have it yesterday, Brian,
Speaker 1: on our second round mock draft, which by the way,
Speaker 1: we did a first round in second mock draft. Just
Speaker 1: for those of you at home who have not listened
Speaker 1: to that yet, you can go back on iTunes and
Speaker 1: listen to it. But you mentioned the crossroads yesterday, and
Speaker 1: there are a ton of crossroads that could happen at
Speaker 1: the third pick, in the fourth pick of this draft,
Speaker 1: because you've got the Jaguars and the Jets. That's pretty
Speaker 1: much gonna be chalk, or at least we think so.
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence to the Jags, and then we have Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson pretty much chalked in there with the Jets. If
Speaker 1: that's the case, that's the case. If not, then even
Speaker 1: two could be a crossroads. But then the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: where are they gonna go at quarterback? Is it gonna
Speaker 1: be Trey Lance justin fields or is it gonna be
Speaker 1: Mac Jones? Following that pick, where did the Falcons go?
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is then in the conversation, along with two
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks. But this is a draft, Brian, because of
Speaker 1: the non traditional side of it, could go completely different
Speaker 1: directions than those that the media are even talking about,
Speaker 1: or different directions from front offices are even thinking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: teams are preparing a couple different scenarios. If Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: has taken it for the draft is going to go
Speaker 1: one direction. They feel if Atlanta takes a quarterback, the
Speaker 1: trap is going in a whole another different direction. So, uh,
Speaker 1: this is unique. It Usually when you get to the
Speaker 1: top of a board, you could kind of you could
Speaker 1: maybe get the first five or six picks in a
Speaker 1: row and have an idea of Okay, this is how
Speaker 1: this thing is going to play out. I think if
Speaker 1: you're a Cowboy fan, you're looking at this and you're saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: if Dallas is locked in on taking a corner, if
Speaker 1: that's if that's the direction that they're going to go,
Speaker 1: they're they're a little bit of a buying because again,
Speaker 1: I've talked to eight different people yesterday and around the league.
Speaker 1: Then all believe that Curtan is going to be the pick,
Speaker 1: but they couldn't guarantee that Curtan was going to be
Speaker 1: there for me. They were saying, hey, if Curtan's there,
Speaker 1: but they also believed that Joe Horne should be Jacy
Speaker 1: Horne is as a possibly too, but they don't believe
Speaker 1: that Horne is going to be there, and that's why
Speaker 1: they gave the Cowboys certan. So you know, the Cowboy
Speaker 1: could a little bit maybe of the mercy of the board.
Speaker 1: What happens at Detroit at seven with could they move?
Speaker 1: What happens that Carolina at eight? And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of thinking, Didver's going to stand there and pick?
Speaker 1: But there's some teams that could back out of there
Speaker 1: that could really affect the way the Cowboys could possibly
Speaker 1: lose maybe both their guys that they were that they
Speaker 1: wanted to and then that would take him into a
Speaker 1: whole other direction. Jeff Godon outline that that worst case scenario,
Speaker 1: what wouldn't it take for the Cowboys to be wiped
Speaker 1: out at ten if let's say both Horn and certain
Speaker 1: or off the board whenever their pick comes around. Well,
Speaker 1: and this, you know, this is based on how I
Speaker 1: see the players and not necessarily the Cowboys, because I'm
Speaker 1: not even sure on how the Cowboys are viewing this.
Speaker 1: When Jerry yesterday said that he they viewed the opt
Speaker 1: outs as compromised, I was like, well, I don't like
Speaker 1: pinasul and Rashawn Slater, and those are guys that I'm
Speaker 1: incredibly interested in. So you know, my scenario where I
Speaker 1: think that you're wiped out of the guys that I
Speaker 1: would really like to pick at ten is Patrick Surtan
Speaker 1: and jac Horn are gone, Pine Swell and Rashawn Slater
Speaker 1: are gone. Kyle Pitts is gone. So you lose those
Speaker 1: five and then you put four other quarterbacks in and
Speaker 1: now you're on the clock. But it just it really,
Speaker 1: no matter how it goes, it opens up a different
Speaker 1: opportunity that maybe the fan base would be weirded out by.
Speaker 1: But I mean I would just look at it and
Speaker 1: be like, oh man, this is very strange. The best
Speaker 1: players available all play wide receiver. What are we gonna do.
Speaker 1: Are we gonna take Jamar Chase or jayal and Waddle here?
Speaker 1: Which I would because they're the best players. But it
Speaker 1: also opens up the possibility that somebody's calling for the
Speaker 1: fifth quarterback and you can move down. But that is
Speaker 1: I think the wipeout scenario is you lose both top corners,
Speaker 1: both top offensive lineman, and Kyle Pitts. How likely is
Speaker 1: that scenario? Brian, Well, I'll tell you what's just talking
Speaker 1: to folks around the league, there's a lot of love
Speaker 1: for Horne, and there's a lot of love for Curtan.
Speaker 1: And you know, we Jeff talked about those quarterbacks. You know,
Speaker 1: we all love Pitts as a player. He's right that
Speaker 1: if if you if you get a situation where Carolina say, okay,
Speaker 1: say Carolina takes uh Okay, say that Philadelphia gets to
Speaker 1: Detroit at seven and they end up taking Certan, and
Speaker 1: then you turner and then all of a sudden, Carolina
Speaker 1: takes Horne, who they absolutely love. I know that for
Speaker 1: a fact coming from their war room. You're in trouble
Speaker 1: right now. That's that's trouble for you if in fact
Speaker 1: that you're holding on both those corners. So you know,
Speaker 1: you got to hope that maybe one of those offensive
Speaker 1: linemen there would be there if that's the case, or
Speaker 1: would they take Parsons. You know that probably would be
Speaker 1: I think the case I get. I get the hint
Speaker 1: they only player on their board again, this and then
Speaker 1: this is going back and fourth. You know, you hear
Speaker 1: so much positivity about Seul, and I'm hearing that Seul
Speaker 1: is the only guy. And I heard last week that
Speaker 1: well he had they really liked Slater, but Seul seems
Speaker 1: to be now the only guy, the only offensive guy
Speaker 1: on that board other than Pits, that they would take
Speaker 1: over maybe one of those corners that they were on
Speaker 1: the board. What would you do on your board? Because
Speaker 1: I know you're pretty high on Slater as well, and
Speaker 1: of course Seul not likely to fall. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean he could go either to five at Cincinnati or
Speaker 1: to the Dolphins at six. I mean he could go
Speaker 1: either one of those and then a slew of teams
Speaker 1: behind there in between them and the Cowboys. But where
Speaker 1: would you rank those guys if you had your five picks?
Speaker 1: And I'll ask Jeff to follow up with his five
Speaker 1: as well. Well, I think the way the way I would.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about me or do I you know
Speaker 1: it's gonna roll out? I want your picks? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: me personally though, the top five players I have on
Speaker 1: my board I've got if you just because I've ranked
Speaker 1: them one to one ninety. I have Lawrence Pitts, Seul, Chase,
Speaker 1: and Fields as my top five guys. But is it
Speaker 1: going to go that? I mean no, I mean, you
Speaker 1: get to think about the teams and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: But I me personally, Like I said, I, I'm totally
Speaker 1: on board with you know, if they get into situation
Speaker 1: where that they have to take Parsons, I understand that.
Speaker 1: But me personally, Lawrence Pitts, Seul Chase Fields, those would
Speaker 1: be my top five guys in my rankings right now.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to put Kyle, I think you want
Speaker 1: in order the five non quarterbacks and how you pick
Speaker 1: them at ten, I'm cool with, okay, because like the
Speaker 1: way that I would order the guys that I'm interested
Speaker 1: in for the Cowboys is Kyle Pitts one, Rashawn Slater two,
Speaker 1: Pinay Soul three uh, and then jac Horn for Patrick
Speaker 1: Sir Tan five. So it's you know, it's I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys wanted to work out where one of those
Speaker 1: corners make it, but one of those corners will be
Speaker 1: the fourth and fifth options for me. I really like
Speaker 1: the offensive players in this draft above those corners, and
Speaker 1: Jerry even talked about it yesterday. Don't be stupid with
Speaker 1: your needs. I mean that was one of the biggest
Speaker 1: question or quotations taken out of the entire pre draft
Speaker 1: press conference, which, by the way, you can listen to
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. But he talked about don't
Speaker 1: be stupid with your needs. Take what's there, take what
Speaker 1: the board, let you do. And Brian, you've been very
Speaker 1: adamant about this and pass drafts and from things that
Speaker 1: I've heard from you in the past about just let
Speaker 1: the board fall to you. If the board falls to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, there's a very good chance that there's an
Speaker 1: offensive player available or Micah Parsons, and not necessarily these corners.
Speaker 1: Where would you go if that's the case? And why
Speaker 1: is Michael Parsons just kind of an afterthought at this point? Well,
Speaker 1: I think that there's questions you have to ask about
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons. Is the character stuff, the off the field stuff,
Speaker 1: if you're comfortable with his story, if you're comfortable with
Speaker 1: talking with Penn State people, if you're comfortable with visiting
Speaker 1: this guy. Yeah, you've got to make sure that this
Speaker 1: player the ability, There's no question about the ability. You
Speaker 1: just got to make sure that they're totally comfortable with
Speaker 1: Is this the type of player as we're trying to
Speaker 1: rebuild culture and stuff like that in a locker room
Speaker 1: that we really want to have in there, are there
Speaker 1: immaturity questions? If that's the case, and all that, I
Speaker 1: don't think you want the player. I think Jeff's absolutely
Speaker 1: right about this. To me, the offensive side of the
Speaker 1: board is at least in the first round, is clearly
Speaker 1: better than what's going on. And I know I have
Speaker 1: nine other picks that I could potentially make. Taking an
Speaker 1: offensive player at ten is not a terrible idea, you know,
Speaker 1: And and I appreciate Jerry saying yesterday, Hey, don't get
Speaker 1: caught up in the needs and all that stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: keep an open mind about that. And I appreciate that
Speaker 1: about it. Jeff, So, who you would take in that
Speaker 1: kind of wipeout scenario? No, not even now. I'm more
Speaker 1: of talking about Michael Parsons here, And why would you
Speaker 1: rather take an offensive player than Michael Parsons outside of
Speaker 1: the fact that he does fit a semi need for
Speaker 1: you at the Cowboys at this point, Well, to me,
Speaker 1: it is a because we're making exceptions for certain players here,
Speaker 1: because to me, you just you factor in positional value
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and linebacker exists somewhere in the same
Speaker 1: sphere as running back and tight end and safety somewhere
Speaker 1: towards the bottom of the total pole and I'm making
Speaker 1: an exception for Kyle Pitts because I think Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: is an incredibly clean prospect with so much superstar potential
Speaker 1: that's literally getting better and better with Michael Parsons when
Speaker 1: I go, Okay, Kyle Pitts, I'll make an exception for
Speaker 1: even though it's not a quote valuable position, because I
Speaker 1: think it's a unique opportunity to become one of three
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL that's a mismatch nightmare along with
Speaker 1: San Francisco in Kansas City with Kelsey and Kittle, with
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons at a lower value position. Then you throw
Speaker 1: in question marks, then you throw in the opt out.
Speaker 1: So I haven't seen the growth as a player. It's
Speaker 1: just enough there that I want nothing to do with
Speaker 1: that position at number ten overall. So like I'll make
Speaker 1: an exception for a quote not valuable position and be
Speaker 1: comfortable with that risk. I just I wouldn't do it
Speaker 1: with Parsons. Would there be an Yeah? The thing that
Speaker 1: was I was told just well, let me just real quick, Kile.
Speaker 1: The thing that's interesting about Pitts is and it's and
Speaker 1: this I think was the best I had a guy
Speaker 1: in the league explained this to me about Pits, and
Speaker 1: we all up Pits, but think of Pits this way.
Speaker 1: This guy said to me, He's like, listen, Pits is
Speaker 1: the type of weapon that we all now fear at
Speaker 1: quarterback of a quarterback that can run and throw. You know,
Speaker 1: Pitts scores points, he goes. Defenses fear at the quarterback
Speaker 1: that can run any throw. That makes de Fitzes have
Speaker 1: to play a totally different style. Pitts is one of
Speaker 1: those guys that has that ability. If you if you
Speaker 1: fear the quarterback that can run or throw, you should
Speaker 1: also fear a type of player like Pitts who could
Speaker 1: come in, could score and put your defense in a
Speaker 1: lot of stress. I was specifically about Kyle Pitts. There's
Speaker 1: not necessarily a huge chance that he falls. But you're
Speaker 1: talking about the exception to the rule, and I completely
Speaker 1: agree with what Jeff just said a moment ago. But
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons is not that exception to the rule. Are
Speaker 1: there any other guys in this draft outside of Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts or maybe Michael Parsons that could be consider then
Speaker 1: that category with maybe an edge rusher, a defensive tackle, No,
Speaker 1: you know, edge rushers, you know, because to me, when
Speaker 1: we're talking about exceptions, we're talking about the quote lower
Speaker 1: positional value ones true, and so no, they don't exist.
Speaker 1: Like there's not an Aaron Donald type at defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Edge is different because that is a premium position, but
Speaker 1: the players just aren't there. Trying to put those players
Speaker 1: in order is such a challenge my top edge guys
Speaker 1: as he's Agularia of Georgia and now there's scuttle Bud
Speaker 1: out there and Rumoruski's out there that maybe he's getting
Speaker 1: flagged medically on a leg, on a knee. Jalen Phillips
Speaker 1: Miami pass rusher, is my second best edge rusher. He's
Speaker 1: going to be medically flagged in multiple ways. So there's
Speaker 1: not a clean edge prospect. There's not a defensive tackle
Speaker 1: that belongs up there. There's not a safety that belongs
Speaker 1: up there, unless you're calling Jeremiah Usu Cormoa safety. It's
Speaker 1: just it's such a bizarro class and I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me throw another thing out there too. People are
Speaker 1: talking about Barmore at Alabama as a guy that needs
Speaker 1: to be babysit. So all of a sudden, you know
Speaker 1: you're in a situation now where they're having. Alabama does
Speaker 1: a great job of making sure that their players are
Speaker 1: taking care of they get the class and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But I was here at some talk last night that like, listen,
Speaker 1: you really have to babysit bar Moore to get him
Speaker 1: to do things. You know that That's something I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear. So, yeah, I mean, all these defensive
Speaker 1: guys at the top of the board, there's something that
Speaker 1: there's that one flag that makes you think, well, heck,
Speaker 1: maybe I need to take this offensive guy and then
Speaker 1: figure out everything and at forty four and seventy five
Speaker 1: and the other picks that you have, and that, Kyle,
Speaker 1: is the appeal of Patrick Curtan to the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: so many other teams. Lack of questions. Yeah, that's that
Speaker 1: is the massive appeal of Patrick Curtan. And you add
Speaker 1: that to the athleticism, you add that to the tape.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons why Patrick Curtan at ten
Speaker 1: makes a ton of sense. He's a he's a top
Speaker 1: ten caliber corner, just bar none. And then you add
Speaker 1: in the fact that there are no question marks. I
Speaker 1: think that's what's exciting about it overall. I completely agree
Speaker 1: with what you just said. Now, the Cowboys do have
Speaker 1: ten picks outside of top ten questions as what like,
Speaker 1: we sit and talked about really throughout this entire first segment,
Speaker 1: but we will hit some of those coming up later
Speaker 1: on in the show when we come back. It's Twitter
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Speaker 1: com Draft Show back Here on the Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: com Draft Show, Kyle Yeoman's Jeff Kalvan at Brian brought
Speaker 1: us we will soon have Bucky Brooks joining us at
Speaker 1: any waking moment from his NFL network duties. But before
Speaker 1: he does, we've got to get into some Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty Twitter on the Twittery, there it is okay.
Speaker 1: I had to wait a little bit longer that time.
Speaker 1: That's okay. Chris Beam has got a lot going on
Speaker 1: in the back. He's the one doing the graphics, he's
Speaker 1: doing the videos, he's doing the sounders, he's doing everything.
Speaker 1: So huge shout out to Chris Beam running the show
Speaker 1: in the back. The first question is the one that
Speaker 1: I teased heading into the break, and this comes from
Speaker 1: jad on Twitter and JD says, if cornerbacks fall off
Speaker 1: the board in front of you, kind of like how
Speaker 1: we talked about in that first segment, could you move
Speaker 1: back to fifteen or even a little bit later in
Speaker 1: the draft, And if they do, could the Cowboys take
Speaker 1: a guy like Greg Knewsom the second out of Northwestern
Speaker 1: or would they completely pivot to a completely new position.
Speaker 1: Jeff will start with you on this one. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's what you build the board for. You know,
Speaker 1: that's what Brian's gonna have a top one ninety in
Speaker 1: order for. Is my initial thought at pick number ten
Speaker 1: is that we're looking at somebody like jac Horn or
Speaker 1: Patrick's Artan or Rashaun Slater or Pinasol or Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: Then if you got to number ten and that's not available,
Speaker 1: which I don't think will happen because I think Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase is going somewhere, so one of those guys will
Speaker 1: be there. But in the scenario where they're not and
Speaker 1: you can find a way to move back, Captain trade
Speaker 1: Down loves to ride. Nothing makes me happier than acquiring
Speaker 1: more top fifth depicts. So if you moved back to fifteen,
Speaker 1: you just shift down your board a few spots and
Speaker 1: you go, Okay, I am looking at Jalen Waddle and
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and Davante Smith. I've got three receivers that
Speaker 1: I really like. Still, I am looking at Elijah Vera Tucker,
Speaker 1: the USC offensive lineman. I am looking at Jeremiah Olusu
Speaker 1: Coromoa the Notre Dame linebackers slash safety. And I am
Speaker 1: looking at Greg Newsom. I'm just following my grades down
Speaker 1: the board. So I'm looking at I've still got a
Speaker 1: crop of guys that I like. Three receivers, an oh lineman,
Speaker 1: a linebacker, slash safety, and one corner. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: can work my way down the board that way and
Speaker 1: still have my targets in mind. Yeah, you absolutely can.
Speaker 1: And I think that if you even I have a
Speaker 1: couple of different pockets of on my board, I know,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure the Cowboys kind of in that same realm,
Speaker 1: you know, where's Farley going to fall? We talk about Newsome,
Speaker 1: Samuel Joseph Stokes. I mean, I could just keep naming
Speaker 1: cornerbacks if you want. You If you back up and
Speaker 1: you get to where you're at fifteen, you're at eighteen,
Speaker 1: you're at twenty one, I still think you could grab
Speaker 1: a cornerback if that's the If that's the case, if
Speaker 1: you're really looking for a linebacker, that kid at Kentucky,
Speaker 1: that jam and Davis. I'm just telling you, if you
Speaker 1: back up and you get him, that'll make you feel
Speaker 1: good about your your prospect at linebacker. If you're interested.
Speaker 1: You know we talked about Bolton was another guy at Missouri.
Speaker 1: There will be names on that board if they back
Speaker 1: up that they will feel comfortable with. And that's the
Speaker 1: reason why you would go back. If you have that pocket,
Speaker 1: some names that they could that you could grab one
Speaker 1: of those guys from. I feel like you have to
Speaker 1: be comfortable with a certain amount of guys there. I mean,
Speaker 1: it depends on how far you back you go. If
Speaker 1: there's seven guys, you can go back ten picks and
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about where you're gonna fall. If you
Speaker 1: only feel good about two guys, then you might as
Speaker 1: well stay put and pick between the two of them.
Speaker 1: And there's a good chance that either one of those
Speaker 1: things ends up happening. Brian, Yeah, if you get if
Speaker 1: you get Certan or Horn on that board when you're
Speaker 1: up at ten, you need to make that pick. Pick
Speaker 1: that that needs to be that needs to make your pick,
Speaker 1: and if not, then and you can find a way
Speaker 1: to back up and you and you have all those
Speaker 1: names that I just talked about Jeff just talked about,
Speaker 1: You'll be just fine doing that too, you know. And
Speaker 1: it's funny that this is kind of the topic that
Speaker 1: we've led into, because this is a great question from
Speaker 1: Todd Mack and it's directly addressed to Brian. He said,
Speaker 1: what was it about DeMarcus Ware that had scouts pounding
Speaker 1: the table against Parcels and his coaching staff against Merriman?
Speaker 1: And do you see anything similar happening in this great
Speaker 1: debate that we've had throughout the draft process between jac
Speaker 1: Horn and Patrick Surtan. Well, you know, it's not. And
Speaker 1: this is something that I was told, and I know
Speaker 1: when Jeff and I do radio every afternoon from two
Speaker 1: to seven on one oh five three the Fan, when
Speaker 1: we talk about this stuff, you know, it is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: scouts lined up here, coaches lined up here. I was
Speaker 1: told a guy said, hey, listen, I heard what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. There he goes, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: We've got some coaches that like Certan, We've got some
Speaker 1: scouts that like Horne. So it's not completely coaches first
Speaker 1: scouts in their room. Right now, there is a there
Speaker 1: is a they're gonna have to come to a consensus
Speaker 1: right there. The thing with where was when when we
Speaker 1: where was one of those guys It's cliche to say
Speaker 1: he just checked off all the boxes. When we started
Speaker 1: talking about the clean player, the player with the ability,
Speaker 1: the floor, the ceilings and the floors, all those things
Speaker 1: that everybody likes to talk about, where was that guy?
Speaker 1: He the scouts, every scout that was banging the table
Speaker 1: for him. What we're just like, listen, this guy is
Speaker 1: the character, the traits, the ability, the best is best
Speaker 1: is ahead of him, you know. And Parcells saw like
Speaker 1: Mary and more of a ready player. Now this is
Speaker 1: my guy now, but he had more character questions. So
Speaker 1: there you go. Coaches sometimes they don't care about the character.
Speaker 1: Coaches care about the player, and scouts are like, well,
Speaker 1: give me the clean player that is going to not
Speaker 1: bust and we're not going to have to worry about him.
Speaker 1: So every scout, Brian, you were a scout, I know
Speaker 1: darn well you and you didn't need him to be
Speaker 1: a clean player. You're like, he's good at football the end.
Speaker 1: I tend to I tend to go, I'm just telling
Speaker 1: scouts in general, I tend to go to give me
Speaker 1: the guy that I feel like is the best player.
Speaker 1: And to me, I saw what the scouts. I was
Speaker 1: working at Pro personnel for the Cowboys in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five. I saw what the scouts saw watching that
Speaker 1: Troy tape. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm like, Okay, that's it.
Speaker 1: I get it. I see why guys are fighting for
Speaker 1: this particular player. I love that conversation, I really do.
Speaker 1: Because there's going to be crossroads, like we've talked about
Speaker 1: with picks ahead of the Cowboys, but the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna have crossroads whenever ten rolls around, because you can
Speaker 1: improve this team in a number of different directions and
Speaker 1: it's not just two pass on those crossroads. We're talking
Speaker 1: about like fifteen different paths that you could potentially go
Speaker 1: and that's what makes the things interesting whenever Thursday night
Speaker 1: rolls around. So sticking with Thursday Night before we move
Speaker 1: on to a later draft question, but Troy asked, should
Speaker 1: we want, as the Dallas Cowboys, five quarterbacks to go
Speaker 1: in the top nine so you have more options to
Speaker 1: pick at ten, or would you want one of those
Speaker 1: quarterbacks like mac Jones or Trey Lance to fall to ten,
Speaker 1: so that way you can have a tradeback scenario and
Speaker 1: load up on picks. Jeff, I know you're mister k captain.
Speaker 1: Trade down. So I'll let Brian add to this question. First, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would. I'd rather all the quarterbacks be there and
Speaker 1: then let me pick the guy one at ten. And
Speaker 1: then if I want to move around in the second
Speaker 1: or third or fourth round. That's why I want to
Speaker 1: move around. I feel like it. If you give me
Speaker 1: the opportunities to take the best defensive players on my board,
Speaker 1: then I'm going to I'm gonna take that opportunity. So
Speaker 1: give me all five quarterbacks being gone, get Brian. That's good, Brian,
Speaker 1: I can take Kyle. I gotta take Kyle. I want
Speaker 1: all the receivers to go tight ends offensive line, like
Speaker 1: push both the corners down and but leave me one quarterback.
Speaker 1: Let me flip back, because I do have a wild dream,
Speaker 1: and my wild dream is can I find a way
Speaker 1: to get horners or ten to fifteen? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, add a pick and get. But it's not realistic.
Speaker 1: So Brian has the right answer and the smart answer.
Speaker 1: But as a as a man as a man with
Speaker 1: a brand of captain trade down. I would like to
Speaker 1: have something there that gives me that ability if I
Speaker 1: want to do it. But the smarter play is get
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks out of here and send either Sewel or
Speaker 1: Pits or my horners send them on down here, and
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and make a good pick. Well, what
Speaker 1: if you were in a situation, what if you were
Speaker 1: at the mercy the fifth quarterback that gets to you
Speaker 1: is the one that nobody wants. That's that's the That's
Speaker 1: the thing I would worry about if it was me,
Speaker 1: if it's if it's not the right guy. Now, if
Speaker 1: it ends up being Lance or you know, our Ohio
Speaker 1: state kit fields, somebody will probably want that guy. But
Speaker 1: it's somebody gonna want to trade up for mac Jones.
Speaker 1: If Mac Jones and somehow gets down you know, to
Speaker 1: you at ten. I don't. I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 1: I really don't know. I mean, I think some teams
Speaker 1: would say, listen, if he got to us, we'd be
Speaker 1: happy to take him. But I don't know if anybody's
Speaker 1: willing to put the draft capitol ahead to go for
Speaker 1: a guy. If you have if you had the wrong
Speaker 1: quarterbacks sitting there at ten for you and Jeff. You
Speaker 1: said you guys go for jeffal I just I need
Speaker 1: to get this. I need to get this in. Kyle.
Speaker 1: I gotta find a suit jacket, you know, Kyle, I
Speaker 1: think it's button up on. Bucky is swinging in, fully
Speaker 1: suited and already for draft war. Here. I canna find
Speaker 1: something with the collar. I gotta do something here, I
Speaker 1: gotta do something. Hey, where's your tie? I need you
Speaker 1: to put that tie on. Man, Well, I mean I can't.
Speaker 1: I need to. If you got a button, you might
Speaker 1: just be word of tie right now. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: just sitting here trying to trying to make you trying
Speaker 1: to figure it all out. I'm just trying to figure
Speaker 1: it all out. I want to get in on a
Speaker 1: conversation because I know you guys are are doing all
Speaker 1: kinds of crazy conversation in chatter. So I just want
Speaker 1: to make sure that at least got in on the
Speaker 1: conversation to see if I could ask some levity to it.
Speaker 1: That's some levity to it, Okay, I'll ask you the
Speaker 1: same question that Troy asked us here on Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty. He said, should we want five quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the top nine, or would you rather have one of
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks fall to you so that way you have
Speaker 1: trade options as opposed to having just more players to
Speaker 1: pick from. Specifically, if you're the Dallas Cowboys at ten, no,
Speaker 1: get all the quarterbacks out the way, because then it
Speaker 1: means a good player going to be sitting there for
Speaker 1: you at ten, Like training out or whatever is nice
Speaker 1: in terms of picking picks and getting picks or whatever,
Speaker 1: but I'd rather get the player. And so if those
Speaker 1: quarterbacks go early, because some of those guys are gonna
Speaker 1: be overdrafted, I mean, does mean the board is going
Speaker 1: to be wide open, whether it's an offensive talca, whether
Speaker 1: it's one of the corners that you want, no one
Speaker 1: wants to linebacker, but all of that will be sitting there,
Speaker 1: so then you have more options. I like it. And
Speaker 1: Jeff you said specifically in your your answer to that
Speaker 1: question that it's unlikely that JC horn or Patrick's or
Speaker 1: Tan falls to fifteen. I mean, we did a mock
Speaker 1: draft two days ago, and in that mock draft he
Speaker 1: fell to sixteen in the Cardinals. So I don't think
Speaker 1: it's necessarily out of the question. Sure, it's unlikely, but
Speaker 1: it definitely could happen with the way that things line up.
Speaker 1: I think jac Horne is too good of a player
Speaker 1: to fall to sixteen, but hey, if all five quarterbacks go,
Speaker 1: if some of those wide receivers go on a run,
Speaker 1: it's not out of the question that this is that j. C.
Speaker 1: Horne could fall, even in a tradeback scenario. So, Bucky,
Speaker 1: it's great timing that that you popped on this show
Speaker 1: because I had this question tied up and just so
Speaker 1: happens that you popped on just in time. So Kenny
Speaker 1: Swisher asked this question on Twitter. He said, I have
Speaker 1: two questions, but the first one is with key On
Speaker 1: O'Neil on the contract a short contract as a safety
Speaker 1: slash linebacker hybrid, how would you rate Chaz sir Rott,
Speaker 1: the linebacker out of North Carolina, as a long term
Speaker 1: option in that spot? So, Bucky, I'll let you start
Speaker 1: off with guitar heel, a guy you talked about whenever
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl rolled around. No, I think in the
Speaker 1: second or third round, I think chash Rott could be
Speaker 1: in play when you look at his game and you
Speaker 1: look at the athleticism and what he brings to the table,
Speaker 1: he would qualify, he would fit. The big thing is
Speaker 1: he's only played linebacker for a little over a year,
Speaker 1: two years of experience. He's fast and dynamic and athletic,
Speaker 1: but there's still gonna be some growing pains when it
Speaker 1: comes to him with some of the reason those things.
Speaker 1: That's it. He's going to add athleticism and speed to
Speaker 1: the second level. And when we think about being in
Speaker 1: nickel seventy percent of the game, he is a better
Speaker 1: option to be on the field than Jaylen Smith being
Speaker 1: on the field bowing down out against those teams that
Speaker 1: pass a lot. Wow, Chad Sarada is a better option
Speaker 1: than Jalen Smith in nickel formations. Brian, I mean that
Speaker 1: because he can cover. That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: What do you think about Chad Sarad and what he
Speaker 1: could fit into that role? Yeah, I think the thing
Speaker 1: with sarat and I have to give the kid a
Speaker 1: lot of credit, and I want to give the North
Speaker 1: Carolina program a lot of credit. I know Bucky, I
Speaker 1: bust onf Bucky a lot about those about North Carolina,
Speaker 1: but I really do it out of respect. And you
Speaker 1: know this guy is going to be to me when
Speaker 1: I watch him play. I see a really good athlete,
Speaker 1: but I see a guy that needs to play on
Speaker 1: the move. If you watch the Virginia Tech game, they
Speaker 1: got bodies on him, you know, and that bothered me
Speaker 1: a little bit. But he's going to have to learn.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to learn how to play with his hands,
Speaker 1: how to disengage, how to quickly see and go and
Speaker 1: read and all that. But I will say this though,
Speaker 1: you can watch him, just like Bucky was talking about.
Speaker 1: You can watch him in the Clemson game play off hand,
Speaker 1: knock the ball away. Being coverage. Jeff's talked about that
Speaker 1: a bunch too. We've talked about it with Cox. Give
Speaker 1: me the guys that could cover. I'll teach him to
Speaker 1: play the run and they will worry about those other
Speaker 1: things later. But if you can cover, that's really a
Speaker 1: great trait to have. Sarat could be that kind of
Speaker 1: guy there. We will need to work on playing the
Speaker 1: run a little bit, Jeff. I mean, that's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really interesting. I think with him, it's one of those
Speaker 1: guys that on tape I sort of struggled with him
Speaker 1: like it. Can definitely see the athleticism, but I think
Speaker 1: there's also a rawness to his ability to play linebacker,
Speaker 1: which makes sense because I believe he's only played it
Speaker 1: for two years of his entire life. So to me,
Speaker 1: that is a guy where it's just a matter of
Speaker 1: I think every team is going to like him on
Speaker 1: some level. It's just a matter of where do you
Speaker 1: project that you would pick him, because I think there's
Speaker 1: some development that you've got to do there. So it's
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of where do you pull the
Speaker 1: trigger on that, And for me, it's he's more of
Speaker 1: a third or fourth round guy than he is any
Speaker 1: earlier than that. But I think he is, you know,
Speaker 1: that athleticism, a guy who's a former quarterback, So you think,
Speaker 1: you know, you've got this football intelligence, you've got the
Speaker 1: athletic ability, You've got some ability and coverage and we
Speaker 1: can keep growing that. And if he's a special teams guy,
Speaker 1: then I think that that's a dude that brings value
Speaker 1: to a football team. Yeah, if I was going for
Speaker 1: a guy real quick, if I was going for a
Speaker 1: guy like that, an outside linebacker type of a coverage guy,
Speaker 1: I would not in the first round. Pete Warner from
Speaker 1: Ohio State is a guy that I would I would
Speaker 1: think that could play that type of role for you
Speaker 1: could be on the field for some run defense, but
Speaker 1: also could cover. He's a former strong safety, has some
Speaker 1: of those kinds of traits that you like. Not a
Speaker 1: bad name. Not a bad name to bring up. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because it is that tweeter position that you're
Speaker 1: looking for, that hybrid safety linebacker that can make plays
Speaker 1: and stay on the field and passing downs and so
Speaker 1: which guys offer that versatility because the Cowboys have to
Speaker 1: be a faster defense to be a better defense. And
Speaker 1: maybe the fact that Sarat has only played the linebacker
Speaker 1: spot for a couple of years, and of course switching
Speaker 1: over from quarterback, that kind of adds to the fact that, well,
Speaker 1: he was instantly good at the position. I mean he
Speaker 1: instantly moved over the linebacker and he was an All
Speaker 1: acc caliber player. Does that mean that he's already hitting
Speaker 1: his ceiling or does that mean he's got that longevity
Speaker 1: that where he can grow at the position. I tend
Speaker 1: to lean toward the second option, So that kind of
Speaker 1: intrigues me a little bit more. And this goes along
Speaker 1: with another question asked by Richard Perry on Twitter, and
Speaker 1: we'll round out the segment with this, but with Sean
Speaker 1: Lee retiring, how much emphasis does that add and maybe
Speaker 1: picking up a mid round linebacker. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be Michael Parsons at ten or Jeremy Ilusha Cormoa. It
Speaker 1: could be one of these later round linebackers, these day two,
Speaker 1: day three guys that can make an impact. But Sarat's
Speaker 1: one of those names. Werner's one of those names. I
Speaker 1: know Nick Bolton has been thrown around, but are there
Speaker 1: other guys there, Bucky that where you look at the
Speaker 1: linebacker spot the Cowboys could certainly benefit. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: linebacker has to be some position that you look at,
Speaker 1: not only just because the uncertainty around LV and what
Speaker 1: happens with the long term contract, whether the fifth year
Speaker 1: option or beyond, but just the way the game is evolving.
Speaker 1: You have to have speed and sideline the sideline playmakers.
Speaker 1: You have to do it. I am intrigued though, because,
Speaker 1: like Nick Bolton has kind of lost some of the momentum.
Speaker 1: People don't talk about him as much. John and Davis
Speaker 1: has kind of sucked up the air in the room
Speaker 1: when it comes to linebacker. But make no mistake, the
Speaker 1: Missouri kid can play and man, he makes a ton
Speaker 1: of plays, and so I don't know, like linebackers are
Speaker 1: kind of like that that one position as hard to
Speaker 1: pig when it comes to where they're going to go.
Speaker 1: But I certainly would keep my eye on him because
Speaker 1: he's a difference maker. Brian, He's talked about Nick Bolton
Speaker 1: and jam and Davis. I mean, these are two guys
Speaker 1: kind of flip flopping in that that realm of players
Speaker 1: in that second round. Do you have any other guys
Speaker 1: there that the linebacker spot could definitely add to the
Speaker 1: room here in the Cowboy, Yeah, I think that it
Speaker 1: don't focus on Sean Leadley. I mean focus on the fact,
Speaker 1: like Bucky says, Layton Vanderish and Jalen Smith did not
Speaker 1: play very well, you know, and you don't worry about
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, worry about you start linebackers. That's that's a
Speaker 1: cause for concerned even going forward right there. So you know,
Speaker 1: I want to there's a couple of different guys that
Speaker 1: I want to talk about though that with and it
Speaker 1: was interesting and I don't know if my guys have
Speaker 1: had a chance to see any of these guys as well.
Speaker 1: The mcgron kid from Cameron mcgroan from a Mischian would
Speaker 1: be a guy that I would like to Yeah, they
Speaker 1: like to talk about. I think Patrick Johnson, the kid
Speaker 1: from Tulane is kind of a rush in, but maybe
Speaker 1: it could be an outside linebacker for you is right
Speaker 1: there we mentioned like Jabril Cox and people like that.
Speaker 1: I know that something. You know, Monty Rice was a
Speaker 1: guy at Georgia of a name throughout there during a
Speaker 1: mock draft that we did. But I you know, I
Speaker 1: just think there's there's some guys out there that are
Speaker 1: clearly you know that those types of players that we
Speaker 1: really really like, but they're not that top first round
Speaker 1: type guys. They're just really steady, they're athletic, they're hitters,
Speaker 1: they run well. That if the Cowboys are looking for
Speaker 1: those guys that we just mentioned, that that could be
Speaker 1: a real, I think, a real one of those picks
Speaker 1: you look back and say, oh man, they hit on
Speaker 1: a guy, They really hit on a guy with that film. Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys is really really good. Jeff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think with linebacker in the NFL, I love what
Speaker 1: Bucky is saying about how important it is to have
Speaker 1: speed and coverability, and I think you have to be
Speaker 1: able to go one of two ways as a linebacker.
Speaker 1: Either you have that or you can rush the passer.
Speaker 1: So like, I think that's why the name Zavan Collins
Speaker 1: was hot for a while to the Cowboys if they
Speaker 1: did some weird moving around towards the end of the
Speaker 1: first round somewhere the Tulsa linebacker, because I think he's
Speaker 1: a really good pass rusher. And then as you're going
Speaker 1: down your board and you're looking in later rounds, whether
Speaker 1: you're talking third through fifth or sixth round, a couple
Speaker 1: of guys we haven't mentioned that at least to me,
Speaker 1: are fairly interesting. Well, I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 1: them right Baron Browning earlier in the draft, but as
Speaker 1: you get later on, I actually kind of like Derek Jones,
Speaker 1: linebacker out of or Ernest Jones I'm sorry, Ernest Jones
Speaker 1: out of South Carolina. I think he's an interesting guy.
Speaker 1: And then if you're going full blown developmental, there's a
Speaker 1: dude at per Due named Derek Barnes. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: That's a great when I mention, yeah, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's there's interesting players that can develop or
Speaker 1: step in and play a certain role anywhere from rounds,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, Ernest Jones, maybe he goes as
Speaker 1: high as the third. Maybe you're talking about the fourth,
Speaker 1: and but you know, as you're getting into Day three,
Speaker 1: I think there's still really interesting players at linebacker at edge.
Speaker 1: I really like the depth of this draft. I don't
Speaker 1: love the top of it, but I like the depth
Speaker 1: of it. I tell you, I love the fact that
Speaker 1: Jeff mentioned Derek Barnes because he's in that group of
Speaker 1: that shorter linebacker. When you watch him play, but I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, this guy can close it down when
Speaker 1: he's running the ball. When he's trying to run down
Speaker 1: that ball, he's really good. If you get him in space,
Speaker 1: he makes a ton of plays. He's a wrap up tackler.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's time. So they used him off the
Speaker 1: edge as a rusher and he was able to attack
Speaker 1: the pocket. So yeah, if Dan Quinn play with the
Speaker 1: shorter linebackers that can run that, Derek Barnes from Purdue
Speaker 1: is a really really good name to keep an eye on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's fun because I think you guys are talking about
Speaker 1: where did the Cowboys go fishing? Do they go fishing early,
Speaker 1: first or second round? Or are they willing to take
Speaker 1: a chance on the developmental player, the one thing that
Speaker 1: really will make it work. I want to see what
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn is going to do when it comes to
Speaker 1: his development program when he was with the foul because
Speaker 1: they had a thing called the Plan D program where
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen minutes after practice every day the coaches
Speaker 1: would spend time with the young guys, developing them. You
Speaker 1: add that up over the course of a week. Man,
Speaker 1: you talk about minutes upon minutes and hours upon hours
Speaker 1: of developing those guys so they could play the last
Speaker 1: six games of the season. Do the Cowboys begin to
Speaker 1: implement some of that, because if they do, then I'm
Speaker 1: more confident and taking the developmental guy because you're giving
Speaker 1: them the time and the attention to allow them to
Speaker 1: develop instead of just giving it lift service and saying, oh,
Speaker 1: this's my late round guy. He's going to develop, but
Speaker 1: then we don't really give him a chance to develop.
Speaker 1: We saw that last year with Reggie Robinson at the
Speaker 1: cornerback spot, not necessarily a linebacker, but a corner. We said, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna move in the safety. He was a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick, he'll be fine, we're gonna develop him, and
Speaker 1: then he sees one snap throughout the entire twenty twenty season.
Speaker 1: Very frustrating, very frustrating for draft nerds out there who
Speaker 1: really liked Reggie Robinson coming out of Tulsa and what
Speaker 1: he could do at the corner spot. Hopefully he's back
Speaker 1: there in twenty twenty one. But you're right, if they're
Speaker 1: gonna pick up a developmental linebacker, they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: invest in that developmental linebacker. Whether it's a guy like
Speaker 1: Derek Barnes out of Purdue or maybe a Pete Warner
Speaker 1: out of Ohio State. There are names there. You just
Speaker 1: gotta pick him and then you got to invest him
Speaker 1: when that time comes around. Okay, we're gonna take our
Speaker 1: second break when we come back. Final predictions. What will
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Speaker 1: is so much fun. Even in the middle of the break,
Speaker 1: We're laughing and cutting it up, and Bucky Brooks did
Speaker 1: not put on a tie. Instead, he actually took the
Speaker 1: jacket off. Jeff, He's getting loose. As we get into
Speaker 1: the final nine minutes of the Draft Show, it's very
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell from like, what if we had one more segment,
Speaker 1: I think Bucky would be shut started into suit in
Speaker 1: his basement and by the end of the cigar and
Speaker 1: that was that was an all timer last year. I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's the thing is, we're gonna have another all
Speaker 1: time moment again this year, but we just don't know
Speaker 1: what it's going to be. That was the best one.
Speaker 1: Was by the time he was done, he was just
Speaker 1: kicking his feet up and just read the draft picks
Speaker 1: from his chair. And then Dave Portnoy wins a dinner
Speaker 1: with him, and then it's just a whole whole mess
Speaker 1: after that. But we've got some predictions to make here
Speaker 1: on the Draft Show. These gentlemen will not be on
Speaker 1: our Day one coverage of the NFL Draft, and said
Speaker 1: you can catch Brian and Jeff on one oh five
Speaker 1: three the fan. Brian real quickly just kind of go
Speaker 1: through what y'all's plans are for your draft coverage on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Of course, we will have our own draft coverage on
Speaker 1: on Thursday, and then we will combine the two for
Speaker 1: a Hodgepodge of Draft insider this on Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 1: But tell us what we could hear from on the
Speaker 1: fan on Friday. It'll be Jeff trying to get Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be Jeff trying to get the best wide receiver
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys at ten. That's what That's what the
Speaker 1: whole show will be about. No, it's the coverage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there we go, Jeff Jeff, which just kind of Jeff
Speaker 1: will be No. But it'll be a lot like what's
Speaker 1: going on with dot Com. You know, it's that you know,
Speaker 1: we've studied these players. Maybe it's not just about the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: it's about all these players. We're going to talk about, Hey,
Speaker 1: what happens ahead of them at Detroit, what happens aheaded Atlanta.
Speaker 1: You know, as you get past you know, we'll be
Speaker 1: able to kind of cover the first round like it
Speaker 1: needs to be covered. If there's surprises, if there's trade backs,
Speaker 1: if there's trade ups, we'll have all the strategy. We'll
Speaker 1: have the understanding of what's going on, and it will
Speaker 1: be most off. The thing is we'll be able to
Speaker 1: tell you why this particular player went at this time
Speaker 1: to this team. So looking forward to another great uh
Speaker 1: weekend of coverage, not only on the fan, but with
Speaker 1: our friends at Dallas Cowboys dot com. Oh, I'm super
Speaker 1: excited for all of it. I'm also excited to hear
Speaker 1: what you're Oh, they took him? What we hear in
Speaker 1: the open every every show, What is the moment, what's
Speaker 1: the Oh, they took a moment that you were going
Speaker 1: to hear from Brian broad Us this year with Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts is there? Yeah, with Kyle Pitts. Yeah they yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's there. Oh, they took him. Yeah, that's that's yeah,
Speaker 1: but that will be that will We'll know they're gonna
Speaker 1: take him. They know they're gonna take him. So I mean,
Speaker 1: what do we collect Yeah, Michael Parsons, Oh yeah, Oh
Speaker 1: they took him. Oh oh, well, you can be good.
Speaker 1: I feel like we'll be fine. I feel like pay
Speaker 1: would probably be be or like a Zeason qu quitty
Speaker 1: quitty pay quitty pay would cause a big time disruption
Speaker 1: to our draft process. I think yeah, I think there
Speaker 1: would be a collective ten seconds of silence in this room,
Speaker 1: and then down the hall where you guys are, there
Speaker 1: will be another ten seconds of silence in that room.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you, let me tell you this.
Speaker 1: I've already got a folder with like the radio, with
Speaker 1: like the higher ups for dropping an F bomb on
Speaker 1: the radio. And I think if that, if it happened again,
Speaker 1: if they drafted quitty pay, I would have a second
Speaker 1: sheet of paper in that folder, and then I would
Speaker 1: probably lose my job because I now have two sheets
Speaker 1: of paper. That's saying I dropped an F bomb on
Speaker 1: the air. Oh great, I didn't know that first one
Speaker 1: even happened. I'm gonna have to go find that somewhere. Okay,
Speaker 1: We've got five, and it was about a player. It
Speaker 1: was about a player. It was Paul Dawson from TCU.
Speaker 1: Guy asked me, he goes, what do you think about
Speaker 1: Paul Dawson. I go, f Paul Dawson. It went out
Speaker 1: on the air. So because we were in a break,
Speaker 1: the guy back in the control room forgot to turn
Speaker 1: us off. It was it was probably I was right
Speaker 1: if Paul Dawson, Oh gosh, goodness, gracious. All right, final predictions.
Speaker 1: We've got four minutes left, Bucky will start with you
Speaker 1: who will be the Dallas Cowboys selection at pick number ten? Okay,
Speaker 1: So for so long I've been saying that pastor ten
Speaker 1: is going to be the pick, right, and then I
Speaker 1: get reminded of this information from Jane Slater about the
Speaker 1: connection between Mike McCarthy and Jac Horne's dad, Joe Horne.
Speaker 1: Joe Horn was the wide receiver in New Orleans when
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy was dere He also was a player in
Speaker 1: Kansas City when I was there, and Mike McCarthy was
Speaker 1: a quarterback coach. And then they're talking about the connection
Speaker 1: with Dan Quinn and New Ope must Champ. So at ten,
Speaker 1: Jac Horne is going to be the pick if he's
Speaker 1: only because of the familiarity and the relationship business Jac
Speaker 1: Horne Cowboys. There you go. I will see and people
Speaker 1: may be a little disappointed in this. I think this
Speaker 1: is the better pick in terms of ceiling. It's just
Speaker 1: like Jeff and I talked about previously, and Brian's mentioned
Speaker 1: it as well, about how the floor from Patrick Zertan
Speaker 1: is just much higher than j C. Horn. But Brian,
Speaker 1: if this is the pick, Cowboys fans should be exceptionally excited,
Speaker 1: just over the top excited because this is a player
Speaker 1: you're gonna get that's gonna play a long time in
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah you are. You're going to get a
Speaker 1: player that's going to play an awful long time in
Speaker 1: the league. And the fact that how competitive he is.
Speaker 1: And it's not just about playing Kyle Pitts, but you know,
Speaker 1: we've talked about this kid will cover whoever your best
Speaker 1: receiver is coming off the bus. He is going to
Speaker 1: take that receiver. And so you have to like the
Speaker 1: fact that he's willing to go do that. He has
Speaker 1: a very short memory. He gives up a play, he's
Speaker 1: right back at it. You know, all the great corners
Speaker 1: have that ability to put things in the past and
Speaker 1: to go forward. You know, we talk about, hey, and
Speaker 1: I got a discussion this morning with a guy about loyalty.
Speaker 1: They don't make players on the ball. They don't intercept.
Speaker 1: Every bit of tape that I've been watching this year,
Speaker 1: all the ball production for some of these corners have
Speaker 1: been because of bad throws. Throws at the end of
Speaker 1: half or a team's down forty two to seven and
Speaker 1: they're just throwing the football. So you know, if you
Speaker 1: get your hands on the ball. Give me the guy
Speaker 1: that's gonna knock balls down the turnovers. That's great, but
Speaker 1: turnovers are either like tip balls, overthrows, or just damn luck.
Speaker 1: You know. So, Jase Horne, Patrick Curtan, those guys. If
Speaker 1: you ask me who I think they're gonna take, I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna take Curtan. And I'll tell you why
Speaker 1: they're gonna take Curtan. Jasey Horne is gonna be gone
Speaker 1: before they pick Wow. I think Jase Horne ends up
Speaker 1: in Caroline. I think Jase Horne. I think Jase Horne's
Speaker 1: the first defensive player off the board. I think Carolina
Speaker 1: takes him at eight, and then I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: take Patrick Curtan at number ten, and I think everything
Speaker 1: everybody will be just fine with that as well. I
Speaker 1: think that's a good point, because who knows, they go
Speaker 1: a different number of directions. Carolina can we had them
Speaker 1: taking Mac Jones. That's probably unlikely at this point now
Speaker 1: that Sam Darnold's a part of the question, but hey,
Speaker 1: j C. Horne could be in that conversation if they
Speaker 1: thought he was the best player on their board. Now, Jeff,
Speaker 1: you're the only one that hasn't given their their selection.
Speaker 1: Who do you think the Cowboys will pick whenever tomorrow
Speaker 1: night rolls around. Well, I want us to be right,
Speaker 1: you know, a collection, and so in honor of that,
Speaker 1: I just want to cast the net even wider instead
Speaker 1: of doubling on one of their picks, I will say,
Speaker 1: Rashawn Slayer, I just want to cover more ground here,
Speaker 1: And why would you do that? They take left tackles
Speaker 1: and turn them into all pros. They take left tackles
Speaker 1: and turn them into all pro guards. Well, I know
Speaker 1: who you're talking about when you say that, you're talking
Speaker 1: about Rashawn Slater. I'm throwing it out there just in
Speaker 1: case Horn answered Tanner, gone, we got to cover more,
Speaker 1: cover more, square footed chair on the Draft show, Bucky,
Speaker 1: Why would this be a fan? Why would this be
Speaker 1: a great pick for the Cowboys? If for Sean Slater
Speaker 1: is the one taking a ten Because I think at
Speaker 1: some point we have to count for Tyron Smith and
Speaker 1: what he is, and he's an off injured player who's
Speaker 1: going to be out of the lineup. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: give you a quarterback forty million dollars, you need to
Speaker 1: make sure that he's protected, upgrade the offensive line. If
Speaker 1: you really pinpoint the issues that the offense had last
Speaker 1: years because they couldn't protect and they couldn't get pushed.
Speaker 1: Investing the offensive line, make sure that the offense is great,
Speaker 1: then you can force opponents to chase points. That will
Speaker 1: help the defense because now the running game is off
Speaker 1: the table and now it's about hunting and keeping them
Speaker 1: ball in front of the defense. You want to be
Speaker 1: a great team. The way Dallas could be great right
Speaker 1: away is to make sure that the offense puts up
Speaker 1: thirty and then they're just able to play ben But
Speaker 1: don't break defense. You don't need the defense to be great.
Speaker 1: You just need to be adequate. You know, I think
Speaker 1: Bucky makes a great point. It only helps your quarterback,
Speaker 1: it helps your running back as well. It helps the
Speaker 1: offense overall. I do like what Jeff talked about because
Speaker 1: there could be a scenario we talked that we were
Speaker 1: saying that you lose both those corners. If all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Carolina takes a guy and Philadelphia knows that
Speaker 1: Carolina is going to take that player there, Carolina could
Speaker 1: go to Detroit and get that other corner. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: if you're a Cowboy fan. You need to be prepared
Speaker 1: that teams know that you're hunting cornerbacks and they might
Speaker 1: and they might say, Okay, we got to get ahead
Speaker 1: of Dallas. And once Carolina knocks off one or what's
Speaker 1: Philadelphia knocks off one, that whole thing with the offensive
Speaker 1: lineman scenario is clearly in play for this team. So
Speaker 1: many scenarios that are in play. And man, I cannot
Speaker 1: wait for the draft to finally be here. We're so close.
Speaker 1: The next time the Draft show will be on air,
Speaker 1: we will all be in studio. Jeff and Brian will
Speaker 1: be in the building, they'll be down the hall. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be so much fun. I'm so excited for all
Speaker 1: of this to kind of tune out, Bucky really quickly.
Speaker 1: Where can everybody find you on Night one coverage of
Speaker 1: the draft? So Night one coverage of the Draft, I'll
Speaker 1: be doing it on Fox Sports Radio, Jay Glazer, myself,
Speaker 1: Leavar Arrington, and Kevin Burkhart will be anchoring that coverage.
Speaker 1: And then I'll be floating. I'll be doing all kinds
Speaker 1: of other stuffs, just talking talking draft. There you go
Speaker 1: all over the place big time with Kevin Burkhart and
Speaker 1: Jay Glazer, look at Bucky Brooks. I love it. Maybe
Speaker 1: you get to put a tie on. I know it's radio,
Speaker 1: but the tie is certainly something need to do. Brian
Speaker 1: shaking his head. He knows it as well. He knows Jack, Bucky,
Speaker 1: Bucky ain't wearing a tie. Buck ain't wearing a tie.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you, hey, Bucky, Hey, this whole thing.
Speaker 1: Man really enjoyed working with you all this time. Man,
Speaker 1: really appreciate it's been good. Really, it's been good. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. A lot of fun YouTube, Jeff has been
Speaker 1: It's been fun. Um having conversations in the base. That's
Speaker 1: all good. That's a war honor and a privilege sent
Speaker 1: to you. Kyle. It's been about you. Yetta figure that.
Speaker 1: That's okay. It's only year two for me. I'll figure
Speaker 1: out down the road. I guess I'll be okay. We'll
Speaker 1: be back on I guess Thursday tomorrow, six pm Central
Speaker 1: Time is when our coverage starts here on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com. We will be in studio, wall to wall coverage. Man,
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. But until then, for Chris Beam in
Speaker 1: the back, for Bucky Brooks, for Jeff Cavanaugh, Brian brought us.
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yoman saying so long and joint Draft Week everybody.
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