WEBVTT - Draft Show: Final Pre-Draft Thoughts 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:24.880 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:28.360 war room for in center news and draft analysis from 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.840 deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:37.960 in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys. Like DD Lambs looking now, your 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:43.239 host Kyle Yeoman's Oh, we are oh so close to 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.760 the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, as we are just 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.519 over twenty four hours. Hey, you may be listening to 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.120 this show and it may be under twenty four hours 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.600 from the NFL Draft in Cleveland, Ohio, but we are 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.520 just around the corner and we are here as the 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.520 Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show on a special Wednesday 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.120 edition to give you a roadmap to the twenty twenty 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.800 one NFL Draft. And that's the purpose of this show specifically, 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.559 is you could have watched all forty of our shows previously, 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.240 or this could be the first show that you listen to, 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.200 but you're gonna know what's going on this weekend. It's 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.160 gonna be a fun time. We've got Brian brought us, 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.720 Jeff Cavanaugh, Bucky Brooks is on his way. He's got 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.000 some TV duties to take care of early on, but 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.400 Bucky will be here in just a couple of moments. 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.720 But Brian, I mean it's right around the corner. Is 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.760 it nervous time yet? Is if we talked about it 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.319 about I think it was maybe last week about how 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.520 you start getting into that nervous feel of the draft. 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:43.640 But is it there yet? Is that is? Are those 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:48.880 butterflies there? Yeah? I think right now for the guys, 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.920 that's it's a time where you've become very reflective at 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.720 this moment. You know, you might sit in your office 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.760 or kind of go back through your notes one more time. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.720 Maybe did you make good enough point about a player 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.040 to get him in the right spot. I know for 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.600 a fact the pro guys are on the phone working 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.600 with the other teams. You want to make sure that 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.560 you check with him, say hey, listen, we're open for business. 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.919 If you guys want to come see us. We're just 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.440 sit and dropping down. You're just trying to throw some 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:22.359 chum in the water right now and see who could 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.120 come up, who could go back. But it is it's 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.680 a very reflective time because, like I said, I used 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.520 to sit there myself and just look at the board 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:32.640 and you just want to look at all those names 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.680 and you kind of visualize how this thing is going 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.160 to come off, and if you could kind of get 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.120 that in your mind, it'll better help you to when 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.080 players start coming off and knowing where you need to 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.040 be to get the player you want. Jeff, have you 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.400 taken an extra look at your notes? Have you? Have 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.480 you decided to maybe put our Darius Washington the safety 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.440 from TCU up a couple more stop spots haven't heading 0:02:55.440 --> 0:03:00.200 into tomorrow, there's nowhere to go for our Darius. You 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.520 can't get any higher than the safety one, So there's 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:04.800 nowhere from my tiny man to go. My tiny man 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.160 is right where he's gonna be. And I tell you 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:08.600 that is the only part of it that is a 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.600 little bit nerve wracking is when the way that you 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.880 feel about a player is not the way that basically 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.160 the rest of the world feels about a player. And 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.280 you're just watching to see this play out where you're like, yep, 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:24.840 smallest safety ever, giant outlier. The whole world's gonna factor 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:26.440 that in and pick him in the fifth round. And 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.200 are you going to be that one guy that stands 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.600 there and goes, no, I believe and I am. I 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.560 believe that we will win us and I of course yes, 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.640 you know what I think what's really interesting about what 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.440 Jeff has done, and I really do appreciate this about him, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:46.120 is the fact that you really don't want to get influenced, 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.720 and we do get influenced. I'm not gonna lie about that. 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.680 There's there's certain things that happen that you read you 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.360 see you here. I mean, I was out this morning, 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.240 I talked to three different teams walking around, and you 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.280 talk about, you know here, different approaches and stuff like that. 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.760 But if you're one of those scouts that could put 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.560 all that aside and have the belief that that player 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.280 is going to be the best player, then I think 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.280 that's a great trait and a great skill to have. 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.840 Do you think that scouts nowadays, especially with all the 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.839 technology and the easy of communication and just how simple 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:26.279 it is to have that input maybe invade your war room, 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:28.320 do you think it's harder nowadays for these scouts in 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:32.000 these front offices to avoid being influenced on guys like 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:36.320 Ard Areas Washington. Well, I know I could speak for 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.760 experience really quickly here the fact that the scouts have 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:43.240 not been able to travel to these schools, because what 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:47.000 happens is you might have five scouts at a particular school, 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.000 and they travel from place to place with each other, 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.799 and they see each other at these schools and they talk. 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.479 They talk about, Hey, I saw this kid at Missouri, 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.520 I saw this kid at TCU. I saw this kid. 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.400 And you could get influenced by talking to your friends. 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.440 Guys you trust, galls you trust. You can't get influenced 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.640 by man, what am I not seeing in this guy? 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.000 Or what are they not seeing? And the fact that 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.920 the scouts did not travel together this year might make 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.520 for some interesting selections were a little bit more but 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:22.360 pure Jeff Kavanaugh approach. I like it. I think it's 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.440 something that we'll look at approach moving in. What was 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:30.359 that see ideal approach? The Jeff Kavanaugh approach is fairly 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.200 the best way to draft. I'm sure the board across 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.400 the hallway in the war room probably says the exact 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.320 same thing that you have on yours, just because it's 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.920 the Jeff Kavanaugh approach. I kind of wanted to set 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.200 the stage here though, and going off of what Brian 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.880 just said specifically about how there are going to be 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.880 those conversations this year and it's such a unique draft 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.160 process with no combine, only the pro days to go by, 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.839 and then even then, scouts were really unable to travel 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.520 to as many pro days and to hit as many 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.400 schools as you normally would. But this is going to 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.880 be an interesting draft where really a lot of us 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.839 don't know what's going on. And Jeff, I know specifically, 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.760 we've been talking about this for quite some time. But 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.640 whenever tomorrow night rolls around, just how many surprises are 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.560 going to be on that first round board and then 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.440 heading into the second because we just don't necessarily know 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.560 what these front offices are thinking, or maybe even the 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.560 front offices don't know exactly what they're thinking. Yeah, I 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.920 think there'll be plenty of surprises. I wonder what it'll 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.000 mean for movement in terms of how many teams are 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.600 going to move around in the round, But yeah, I 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.840 think we'll get plenty, Like there will be names that 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.280 we haven't mentioned too often as first rounders I think 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.839 could pop up his first rounders because it happens every year. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.240 And now when you add in what Brian is talking about, 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.039 where you don't have because he I know what Brian 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.160 was doing when he was a scout. Brian was over 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.320 there hobnobbing and gossip in Hey what do you think 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.920 about that? Lsu get people are out there getting influenced 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.240 and now it's now. I think it's pretty pure. And 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:00.640 I also think when Jerry mentioned at the presser that 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.080 you know, these scouts haven't seen these players as much 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.000 as usual, So it's not just that you're not influenced, 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.040 it's also that like in this organization, and every organization's different, 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.480 but in this one, Jerry Jones going to listen to 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.320 a lot of different people, and how much is he 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:19.440 going to listen to his coaches considering that his scouts, 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.160 he may not feel have as good a feeling on 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.640 players because they haven't been around him as much. So 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.080 I think every organization is going to be different. I 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.320 think we'll hear probably four or five names that you go, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:34.480 oh okay in the first round and we'll see how 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.440 it plays out. But the Hayes in the barn baby 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.600 like butterflies. Get the butterflies out of here. It's party time, 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.200 this is go time. Well, I think the thing that 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.520 and where Jeff is right about this is that there's 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.560 people out there right now that are telling me that 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.120 this is not a traditional draft. And when they talk 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:55.920 about traditional drafts, it's like defensive tackles, defensive ends. You know, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.640 we've had receivers up there, you have all these quarterbacks 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.440 up there. This is just not a traditional way it's 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.840 gonna go. And I totally agree. Everybody believes that they're 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:08.720 going to be those wow picks that are going to happen, 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:10.960 and you know, and we need to be ready for that. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.080 I talked to a guy this morning two that was 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.119 doing a mock draft where he was basically he'd thrown 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.480 up his hands. He's like, listen, I'm gonna miss the 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.760 third pick at San Francisco. It's gonna be completely wrong, 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.720 and I'm like going do a mock draft where you 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.320 just trade everybody. I go, if you have some type 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.760 of you know, you have a better chance of talking 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.040 about moving around a gravid players, you know, and maybe 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.240 being right as you do saying what San Francisco is 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.520 gonna do at three, what Atlanta is gonna do it 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.480 for what? You know, what Detroit's gonna do at seven. 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.839 You have a better chance of just kind of talking 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.520 about chaos, potential chaos as you do do it, picking 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.120 that thing chalk and being somewhat right. When I love 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.000 that conversation because We started to have it yesterday, Brian, 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.559 on our second round mock draft, which by the way, 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.440 we did a first round in second mock draft. Just 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:02.640 for those of you at home who have not listened 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.440 to that yet, you can go back on iTunes and 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.400 listen to it. But you mentioned the crossroads yesterday, and 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.600 there are a ton of crossroads that could happen at 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.640 the third pick, in the fourth pick of this draft, 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.959 because you've got the Jaguars and the Jets. That's pretty 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:15.839 much gonna be chalk, or at least we think so. 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.200 Trevor Lawrence to the Jags, and then we have Zach 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.320 Wilson pretty much chalked in there with the Jets. If 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.600 that's the case, that's the case. If not, then even 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.400 two could be a crossroads. But then the forty nine ers, 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.080 where are they gonna go at quarterback? Is it gonna 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.000 be Trey Lance justin fields or is it gonna be 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.960 Mac Jones? Following that pick, where did the Falcons go? 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.480 Kyle Pitts is then in the conversation, along with two 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.360 other quarterbacks. But this is a draft, Brian, because of 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.280 the non traditional side of it, could go completely different 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.000 directions than those that the media are even talking about, 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:50.760 or different directions from front offices are even thinking about. Yeah, 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:55.760 teams are preparing a couple different scenarios. If Kyle Pitts 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.720 has taken it for the draft is going to go 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.920 one direction. They feel if Atlanta takes a quarterback, the 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.840 trap is going in a whole another different direction. So, uh, 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.160 this is unique. It Usually when you get to the 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.560 top of a board, you could kind of you could 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.880 maybe get the first five or six picks in a 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.760 row and have an idea of Okay, this is how 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.520 this thing is going to play out. I think if 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:23.720 you're a Cowboy fan, you're looking at this and you're saying, Okay, 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.800 if Dallas is locked in on taking a corner, if 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.320 that's if that's the direction that they're going to go, 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.920 they're they're a little bit of a buying because again, 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.160 I've talked to eight different people yesterday and around the league. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.240 Then all believe that Curtan is going to be the pick, 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.800 but they couldn't guarantee that Curtan was going to be 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.360 there for me. They were saying, hey, if Curtan's there, 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.040 but they also believed that Joe Horne should be Jacy 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:54.080 Horne is as a possibly too, but they don't believe 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.000 that Horne is going to be there, and that's why 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.960 they gave the Cowboys certan. So you know, the Cowboy 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.200 could a little bit maybe of the mercy of the board. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.040 What happens at Detroit at seven with could they move? 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.000 What happens that Carolina at eight? And you know, I'm 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.120 kind of thinking, Didver's going to stand there and pick? 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.640 But there's some teams that could back out of there 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.120 that could really affect the way the Cowboys could possibly 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.640 lose maybe both their guys that they were that they 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.440 wanted to and then that would take him into a 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.480 whole other direction. Jeff Godon outline that that worst case scenario, 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.960 what wouldn't it take for the Cowboys to be wiped 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:34.360 out at ten if let's say both Horn and certain 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:39.120 or off the board whenever their pick comes around. Well, 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.720 and this, you know, this is based on how I 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:45.240 see the players and not necessarily the Cowboys, because I'm 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:46.960 not even sure on how the Cowboys are viewing this. 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.080 When Jerry yesterday said that he they viewed the opt 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.800 outs as compromised, I was like, well, I don't like 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.480 pinasul and Rashawn Slater, and those are guys that I'm 0:11:55.559 --> 0:12:00.320 incredibly interested in. So you know, my scenario where I 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.280 think that you're wiped out of the guys that I 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.680 would really like to pick at ten is Patrick Surtan 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.839 and jac Horn are gone, Pine Swell and Rashawn Slater 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.560 are gone. Kyle Pitts is gone. So you lose those 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.720 five and then you put four other quarterbacks in and 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.880 now you're on the clock. But it just it really, 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.280 no matter how it goes, it opens up a different 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:23.920 opportunity that maybe the fan base would be weirded out by. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:25.480 But I mean I would just look at it and 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.280 be like, oh man, this is very strange. The best 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.520 players available all play wide receiver. What are we gonna do. 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.000 Are we gonna take Jamar Chase or jayal and Waddle here? 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.880 Which I would because they're the best players. But it 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.360 also opens up the possibility that somebody's calling for the 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.960 fifth quarterback and you can move down. But that is 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.160 I think the wipeout scenario is you lose both top corners, 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.520 both top offensive lineman, and Kyle Pitts. How likely is 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:54.040 that scenario? Brian, Well, I'll tell you what's just talking 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.320 to folks around the league, there's a lot of love 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.800 for Horne, and there's a lot of love for Curtan. 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:04.840 And you know, we Jeff talked about those quarterbacks. You know, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.040 we all love Pitts as a player. He's right that 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:14.440 if if you if you get a situation where Carolina say, okay, 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:19.840 say Carolina takes uh Okay, say that Philadelphia gets to 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:25.640 Detroit at seven and they end up taking Certan, and 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.480 then you turner and then all of a sudden, Carolina 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.360 takes Horne, who they absolutely love. I know that for 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.560 a fact coming from their war room. You're in trouble 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.320 right now. That's that's trouble for you if in fact 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.600 that you're holding on both those corners. So you know, 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.160 you got to hope that maybe one of those offensive 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.160 linemen there would be there if that's the case, or 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:51.559 would they take Parsons. You know that probably would be 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.560 I think the case I get. I get the hint 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.199 they only player on their board again, this and then 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.760 this is going back and fourth. You know, you hear 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:06.880 so much positivity about Seul, and I'm hearing that Seul 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.520 is the only guy. And I heard last week that 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:13.720 well he had they really liked Slater, but Seul seems 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.640 to be now the only guy, the only offensive guy 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.480 on that board other than Pits, that they would take 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.760 over maybe one of those corners that they were on 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.280 the board. What would you do on your board? Because 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.160 I know you're pretty high on Slater as well, and 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.640 of course Seul not likely to fall. I mean, I 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.880 mean he could go either to five at Cincinnati or 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.840 to the Dolphins at six. I mean he could go 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.600 either one of those and then a slew of teams 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.200 behind there in between them and the Cowboys. But where 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.480 would you rank those guys if you had your five picks? 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.520 And I'll ask Jeff to follow up with his five 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:51.080 as well. Well, I think the way the way I would. 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.240 Are you talking about me or do I you know 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:58.560 it's gonna roll out? I want your picks? Yeah, I 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.440 me personally though, the top five players I have on 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.560 my board I've got if you just because I've ranked 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:09.760 them one to one ninety. I have Lawrence Pitts, Seul, Chase, 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:14.240 and Fields as my top five guys. But is it 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:15.880 going to go that? I mean no, I mean, you 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.280 get to think about the teams and stuff like that, 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.840 But I me personally, Like I said, I, I'm totally 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:26.479 on board with you know, if they get into situation 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.160 where that they have to take Parsons, I understand that. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.960 But me personally, Lawrence Pitts, Seul Chase Fields, those would 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.240 be my top five guys in my rankings right now. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.120 If you're trying to put Kyle, I think you want 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:45.080 in order the five non quarterbacks and how you pick 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.280 them at ten, I'm cool with, okay, because like the 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.600 way that I would order the guys that I'm interested 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.840 in for the Cowboys is Kyle Pitts one, Rashawn Slater two, 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:58.960 Pinay Soul three uh, and then jac Horn for Patrick 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.320 Sir Tan five. So it's you know, it's I think 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.120 the Cowboys wanted to work out where one of those 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.080 corners make it, but one of those corners will be 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.840 the fourth and fifth options for me. I really like 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.000 the offensive players in this draft above those corners, and 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:17.160 Jerry even talked about it yesterday. Don't be stupid with 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.200 your needs. I mean that was one of the biggest 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.200 question or quotations taken out of the entire pre draft 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.120 press conference, which, by the way, you can listen to 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.280 on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. But he talked about don't 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.560 be stupid with your needs. Take what's there, take what 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.160 the board, let you do. And Brian, you've been very 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.840 adamant about this and pass drafts and from things that 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:36.880 I've heard from you in the past about just let 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.480 the board fall to you. If the board falls to 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.520 the Cowboys, there's a very good chance that there's an 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:46.560 offensive player available or Micah Parsons, and not necessarily these corners. 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.240 Where would you go if that's the case? And why 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:55.920 is Michael Parsons just kind of an afterthought at this point? Well, 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.800 I think that there's questions you have to ask about 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.680 Micah Parsons. Is the character stuff, the off the field stuff, 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.960 if you're comfortable with his story, if you're comfortable with 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.439 talking with Penn State people, if you're comfortable with visiting 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.800 this guy. Yeah, you've got to make sure that this 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.800 player the ability, There's no question about the ability. You 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.440 just got to make sure that they're totally comfortable with 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.879 Is this the type of player as we're trying to 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.600 rebuild culture and stuff like that in a locker room 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.120 that we really want to have in there, are there 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.199 immaturity questions? If that's the case, and all that, I 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.800 don't think you want the player. I think Jeff's absolutely 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:36.480 right about this. To me, the offensive side of the 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.120 board is at least in the first round, is clearly 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.320 better than what's going on. And I know I have 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:46.440 nine other picks that I could potentially make. Taking an 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.280 offensive player at ten is not a terrible idea, you know, 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:54.680 And and I appreciate Jerry saying yesterday, Hey, don't get 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.879 caught up in the needs and all that stuff, you know, 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.159 keep an open mind about that. And I appreciate that 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:07.800 about it. Jeff, So, who you would take in that 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:11.400 kind of wipeout scenario? No, not even now. I'm more 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.320 of talking about Michael Parsons here, And why would you 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.840 rather take an offensive player than Michael Parsons outside of 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.800 the fact that he does fit a semi need for 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.560 you at the Cowboys at this point, Well, to me, 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.200 it is a because we're making exceptions for certain players here, 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.560 because to me, you just you factor in positional value 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.879 in the NFL, and linebacker exists somewhere in the same 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:39.159 sphere as running back and tight end and safety somewhere 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.640 towards the bottom of the total pole and I'm making 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:45.320 an exception for Kyle Pitts because I think Kyle Pitts 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.280 is an incredibly clean prospect with so much superstar potential 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.920 that's literally getting better and better with Michael Parsons when 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.280 I go, Okay, Kyle Pitts, I'll make an exception for 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.760 even though it's not a quote valuable position, because I 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.000 think it's a unique opportunity to become one of three 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.040 teams in the NFL that's a mismatch nightmare along with 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.760 San Francisco in Kansas City with Kelsey and Kittle, with 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.120 Michael Parsons at a lower value position. Then you throw 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.880 in question marks, then you throw in the opt out. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.320 So I haven't seen the growth as a player. It's 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:16.720 just enough there that I want nothing to do with 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.200 that position at number ten overall. So like I'll make 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.080 an exception for a quote not valuable position and be 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.879 comfortable with that risk. I just I wouldn't do it 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.200 with Parsons. Would there be an Yeah? The thing that 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.040 was I was told just well, let me just real quick, Kile. 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:35.040 The thing that's interesting about Pitts is and it's and 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:36.960 this I think was the best I had a guy 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.239 in the league explained this to me about Pits, and 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.920 we all up Pits, but think of Pits this way. 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:45.080 This guy said to me, He's like, listen, Pits is 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.640 the type of weapon that we all now fear at 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.480 quarterback of a quarterback that can run and throw. You know, 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:57.119 Pitts scores points, he goes. Defenses fear at the quarterback 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:00.560 that can run any throw. That makes de Fitzes have 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:05.040 to play a totally different style. Pitts is one of 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.199 those guys that has that ability. If you if you 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.359 fear the quarterback that can run or throw, you should 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:15.040 also fear a type of player like Pitts who could 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.800 come in, could score and put your defense in a 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:22.960 lot of stress. I was specifically about Kyle Pitts. There's 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.960 not necessarily a huge chance that he falls. But you're 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.840 talking about the exception to the rule, and I completely 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.520 agree with what Jeff just said a moment ago. But 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.199 Michael Parsons is not that exception to the rule. Are 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.760 there any other guys in this draft outside of Kyle 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:40.040 Pitts or maybe Michael Parsons that could be consider then 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:45.679 that category with maybe an edge rusher, a defensive tackle, No, 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.600 you know, edge rushers, you know, because to me, when 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.280 we're talking about exceptions, we're talking about the quote lower 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.840 positional value ones true, and so no, they don't exist. 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.840 Like there's not an Aaron Donald type at defensive tackle. 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.000 Edge is different because that is a premium position, but 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.680 the players just aren't there. Trying to put those players 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:07.920 in order is such a challenge my top edge guys 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:11.160 as he's Agularia of Georgia and now there's scuttle Bud 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.639 out there and Rumoruski's out there that maybe he's getting 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:17.200 flagged medically on a leg, on a knee. Jalen Phillips 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.120 Miami pass rusher, is my second best edge rusher. He's 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:23.359 going to be medically flagged in multiple ways. So there's 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.520