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Speaker 1: Y'all to episode sixty two of Native Land Time. Let
Speaker 1: me break it down and give you all things related
Speaker 1: to news and culture through a very unique lens. And
Speaker 1: I have to say, it's a very busy, busy news week.
Speaker 1: So we're going to jump right into it because we
Speaker 1: have a lot to get to. So, Angela, what's on
Speaker 1: your plate this week?
Speaker 4: Well, we've been talking about the fires and the many
Speaker 4: ways in which fires impact folks. And speaking of fires,
Speaker 4: we know that there was one over one hundred years
Speaker 4: ago in Tulsa, Oklahoma. We know that area is black
Speaker 4: Wall Street and the DJ had something to say about that.
Speaker 4: So I want to talk about that and all of
Speaker 4: the other things that DJ gets wrong.
Speaker 3: I got a lot of questions for you on that one, Andrew,
Speaker 3: what you got?
Speaker 5: Well, speaking of the DOJ, there is a report released
Speaker 5: by Jack Smith. You all remember him, a special council
Speaker 5: on the Trump federal cases. So we want to hit
Speaker 5: that real quick and remind folks to check it out
Speaker 5: and then importantly confirmations are going on. We're spinning our
Speaker 5: heads on a swivel, and we just want to go
Speaker 5: over who are some of those folks, and maybe what
Speaker 5: some highlights are and what some strategies Democrats can pursue
Speaker 5: to get better at this.
Speaker 1: I like that, and I'm gonna stick with you on
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill, Andrew, because as you all may have seen
Speaker 1: this week, there were threats of violence yet again coming
Speaker 1: from the Republican side, and I'm curious what will happen
Speaker 1: if it actually comes to fisticuffs between two members of
Speaker 1: Congress on Capitol Hill. So we're going to get into
Speaker 1: all of that, so don't go anywhere, Stay tuned.
Speaker 6: Sire Calvin and his family have called Alta Dina home
Speaker 6: for three generations.
Speaker 7: Literally just all us.
Speaker 6: In the chaos of evacuating his baby and elderly mother
Speaker 6: to safety, Sire Calvin got separated from his sister, Evelyn.
Speaker 6: She lived next door.
Speaker 7: Everybody's yelling get out. I'm thinking that she's getting out.
Speaker 7: And the next day, after the storm, I come back
Speaker 7: and her car is still there. So at that point
Speaker 7: in my brain, my soul is shaking.
Speaker 6: He and his cousin found Evelyn's remains in the.
Speaker 7: Rubble Ah, Evelyn, why don't you leave?
Speaker 6: Sire's grief is shared. Five Calvin family members lived on
Speaker 6: this block. Four lost their houses, but they're trying to
Speaker 6: hold on to the hope that they can rebuild their
Speaker 6: beloved community.
Speaker 7: Everyone's in the same boat, like everybody you would depend on,
Speaker 7: everybody you would go to. They're all homeless. Also. They
Speaker 7: just lost everything. They've lost all their memories, all the joy,
Speaker 7: everything that we've built together in this neighborhood. We all
Speaker 7: lost together. And I hate it. I hate it because
Speaker 7: I love how to pop.
Speaker 4: I am so deeply hurt for the people who have
Speaker 4: lost loved ones, who lost everything they had. There was
Speaker 4: another story about this man who heard the evacuation orders
Speaker 4: kind of took it lightly and then he said that
Speaker 4: they ended up evacuating, but he just knew they would
Speaker 4: come back. He grew up in la he's been there
Speaker 4: for thirty years. He said it in the same place,
Speaker 4: and he said, there's nothing left. They had a second house,
Speaker 4: an add on unit in the bag that they lost,
Speaker 4: their trailer, everything they had he left behind because he
Speaker 4: didn't take it seriously. And now these folks are not
Speaker 4: only going to be battling against the trauma of losing
Speaker 4: their memories, their loved ones. You just heard this gentleman
Speaker 4: talk about losing his sister but also fighting with insurance
Speaker 4: companies on whether or not they'll even pay the claims.
Speaker 8: So it is tragic.
Speaker 4: I've heard a lot of really callous chatter about it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter because the rich people in Malibu are Pacific palisades,
Speaker 4: you know, can rebuild. That is so besides the point,
Speaker 4: I would hope in this moment that we could tap
Speaker 4: into our humanity and think about the least of these
Speaker 4: and the folks who have everything. Nobody deserves to lose
Speaker 4: their livelihood, everything that they've worked for. And I just
Speaker 4: would pray that we continue to deepen into compassion, into
Speaker 4: our humanity in this moment and reach out to support
Speaker 4: folks who have lost everything.
Speaker 1: I take your point age because I've also seen some
Speaker 1: people circulating things online about you know, when you don't
Speaker 1: put God first in your life, God shows you He exists,
Speaker 1: and you know, I just think it's such an incredibly
Speaker 1: shitty thing to look at people suffering and suggest that
Speaker 1: this is somehow godly. Just a little bit about the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: because to your point, We've heard a lot about the
Speaker 1: wealthy neighborhoods. About a quarter of the residence in Altadena
Speaker 1: are sixty five or older, and many of these families
Speaker 1: pass their houses down from parents to children, hoping they
Speaker 1: would be a foundation for generational wealth. Most of the
Speaker 1: residents live west of Lake Avenue in Altadena. This is
Speaker 1: where many early black homeowners were as a result of redlining,
Speaker 1: and even when redlining was outlawed, the practice continued informally
Speaker 1: by real estate agents. So black families who were pushed
Speaker 1: out of urban housing in neighboring Pasadena made their way
Speaker 1: to Altadena, and by the seventies, the black proportion of
Speaker 1: the population peaked at nearly forty three percent, that's according
Speaker 1: to census data. And now the worry is that residents
Speaker 1: will scatter, that neighborhoods will hasten gentrification, that the proportion
Speaker 1: of black residents has already fallen to eighteen percent. Now
Speaker 1: that Altadena is considered affluent, with the average household income
Speaker 1: of one hundred and ninety thousand dollars. So I've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of posts from people saying, hey, don't sell.
Speaker 1: People are already making offers that it's going to be
Speaker 1: a land grab by wealthy developers. So I truly hope
Speaker 1: that we as a community can make sure that this
Speaker 1: community stays in our hands and in our prayers.
Speaker 5: Andrew just finally on that. I embrace everything that both
Speaker 5: of you have said here and just want to double
Speaker 5: down on this the opportunistic end of natural disasters, which
Speaker 5: is that speculators, developers, deep investors on the coast in
Speaker 5: many cases and in many cases outside of this country,
Speaker 5: We'll look to these areas, these now beleaguered, deeply hampered areas,
Speaker 5: buy up those lands, and next thing you'll see our
Speaker 5: multi million dollar you know, real estate popping up in
Speaker 5: whole communities and histories loss. To add to your stats there, Tiff,
Speaker 5: I read this morning that eighty percent of the homes
Speaker 5: and Altadena are owned and as you mentioned, have been
Speaker 5: passed generationally for one to the next. I just I'm
Speaker 5: in prayer for those folks. We see it a lot
Speaker 5: down South Hill with hurricanes and people's lives being just upended.
Speaker 5: These fires can come very unperd didictably, you had parts
Speaker 5: of La La County that weren't even in these evacuation zones,
Speaker 5: and because of the strength of the wind and the
Speaker 5: dryness of the area. You have these fires Hopscotch and
Speaker 5: the areas that weren't expecting it. And so just prayers
Speaker 5: going up for those folks and to Karen Bass, wishing
Speaker 5: Mayor Bass the very best as she works toward the
Speaker 5: reconstruction of our community.
Speaker 1: Well, we have a question or a comment, I believe
Speaker 1: from a viewer, so let's get into that.
Speaker 9: Hey, welcome home, y'all. Thank you for everything that you do.
Speaker 9: You're just stalwarts of black journalism and I really appreciate y'all.
Speaker 9: I am coming to you from Los Angeles. I'm sure
Speaker 9: you've heard about the fires. Everybody's heard about the movie
Speaker 9: star homes that burned down, but I wanted y'all to
Speaker 9: hopefully give a little coverage to the neighborhood of Altadena.
Speaker 9: This was a bastion of the black middle class here
Speaker 9: in the Los Angeles area, and it was really ravaged
Speaker 9: by the Eton fire. You're probably hearing a lot about
Speaker 9: the Palisades fire, but this was the one on the
Speaker 9: opposite end of town near Altadena. This place is just
Speaker 9: a treasure trow for black history. This is where Jackie
Speaker 9: Robinson grew up. Science fiction author Octavia Butler author Charles White.
Speaker 9: I think Eldrick Cleaver is buried there. And again, it
Speaker 9: was just a lot of black wealth that was lost
Speaker 9: in those homes. So I hope this does get some publicity,
Speaker 9: and I thought y'all would be the perfect outlet to
Speaker 9: give it a little bit. Thank you so much, and
Speaker 9: again I appreciate everything you do. Keep up the good fight,
Speaker 9: don't quit the pod. We got this.
Speaker 3: Bye Andela.
Speaker 7: I loved her.
Speaker 1: Interesting that she brought up Octavia Butler. Our friend Aaron
Speaker 1: Haynes and I reread a parable of the Sewer, which
Speaker 1: is one of her most popular books, And just the coincidence,
Speaker 1: if you will, that that story began. It came out
Speaker 1: decades ago, but the story begins in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: and I remember reading it as a younger person thinking
Speaker 1: it's so weird that somebody's born in nineteen seventy nine
Speaker 1: will be in their forties and blah blah, here I am.
Speaker 1: And the premise of the story is California is on fire.
Speaker 1: It's a post apocalyptic world. So the fact that her
Speaker 1: neighborhood and God rest her soul as being one of
Speaker 1: the pioneers of black sci fi writers. But the fact
Speaker 1: that she wrote this story and that her neighborhood where
Speaker 1: she grew up is a blaze in a story that
Speaker 1: perhaps she foreshadowed, you know, like her stories could have
Speaker 1: been The Hunger Games. You know, they too centered a
Speaker 1: young black protagonist. Her story could have been Twilight. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I know you lived in LA and I just feel
Speaker 1: like you have family in LA so I know that
Speaker 1: you have personal connection here as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Fortunately all of my family is safe. I have
Speaker 4: friends that have been traumatized, friends that are separate from
Speaker 4: the air quality and all that, and we also have
Speaker 4: friends of this show. Our friend Carrie Champions submitted this statement, Hey.
Speaker 10: Y'all, how are you. My good sister Angela Rai sent
Speaker 10: me a text today and she said, can you talk
Speaker 10: a little bit about the place you call home. The
Speaker 10: place that I call home is Pasadena. I grew up
Speaker 10: in Pasadena. I went to Wilson Middle School. I went
Speaker 10: to Pasadena High School. I went to UCLA. I am
Speaker 10: born and raised, but I'll talk specifically about Altadena and
Speaker 10: what that community meant to me growing up. The very
Speaker 10: first time that I had my first celebrity introduction to
Speaker 10: the world, I was in junior high school and I
Speaker 10: was getting my hair done. Of course, I was getting
Speaker 10: my hair done, and I met Tupac Shakur. He was
Speaker 10: just coming on the scene, very popular. I get around
Speaker 10: and he was in a hair salon in Altadena, and
Speaker 10: it was a hair salon that also did men's haircuts
Speaker 10: on one side, women on the other. You could only imagine,
Speaker 10: but it was home. It felt very comfortable. It felt
Speaker 10: like a space for us to relax. It felt like
Speaker 10: a space for us to do our things. And that,
Speaker 10: to me, is a beautiful way to describe Altadena. My
Speaker 10: very first boyfriend was in Altadena. Sadly, he posted that
Speaker 10: his mother, eighty two years old, lost her home. Imagine
Speaker 10: being eighty two years old and losing your home. You
Speaker 10: don't have two years to rebuild. You don't have a
Speaker 10: lifetime to rebuild and start from scratch. And so what
Speaker 10: I encourage most of us to do is do your
Speaker 10: homework and understand this beautiful community called Altadena that was
Speaker 10: one of the very first sanctuaries for the middle class
Speaker 10: and affluent blacks. It breaks my heart to think what
Speaker 10: could happen next if we don't come together and help
Speaker 10: this community out.
Speaker 5: I'm thankful for that for their testimonial, and wanted to
Speaker 5: make sure that we were keeping in our own family
Speaker 5: here who work with us every week, week in and
Speaker 5: week out on the show. Let's hear some reflections from
Speaker 5: one of our producers here, Nick.
Speaker 11: Hey, fam, this is Nick. I'm a producer, normally behind
Speaker 11: the scenes, some Native lampod but I was asked to
Speaker 11: record this little video since I'm living through this big
Speaker 11: wildfire event right now in LA. I was a few
Speaker 11: miles away from the mandatory evacuation zone when the fires
Speaker 11: were at their worst, and like everyone in Los Angeles,
Speaker 11: have been obsessively checking my phone for the last week
Speaker 11: to see where the fires are moving to if they're
Speaker 11: getting closer to me, to see what the air quality
Speaker 11: is like. Can I even breathe the air outside today?
Speaker 11: And while I'm experiencing this event in person, I've also
Speaker 11: been experiencing it online like all of you, So I
Speaker 11: seen all these terrifying videos and pictures. It can be
Speaker 11: mentally draining, and I think those images are a big
Speaker 11: part of the reason why so many Angelinas, so many
Speaker 11: folks in LA have been coming out in force to
Speaker 11: volunteer and donate It's been really heartening to see, and
Speaker 11: I think it's also why I've had so many people, friends,
Speaker 11: family members reaching out very concerned to check in on me.
Speaker 11: I've really appreciated folks checking in on me like that.
Speaker 11: What's been frustrating to see is like commentators and influencers
Speaker 11: who are leaping to blame, you know, why these fires
Speaker 11: have gotten so bad on one thing or the other.
Speaker 11: So you know, just be careful with sharing info about
Speaker 11: these fires, particularly if you're sharing it with someone in LA.
Speaker 11: You know, think about is this fact based? Are they
Speaker 11: citing reliable sources? And also think about like is this
Speaker 11: something that my friend or family member really needs to
Speaker 11: see right now, or do they just need to know
Speaker 11: that I love them and I'm thinking about them and
Speaker 11: I'm checking in on them, and like keep checking in
Speaker 11: on them, you know. Besides just taking extra care of
Speaker 11: myself and checking in with my peeps, one thing that's
Speaker 11: really helped me get through this is volunteering donating, and
Speaker 11: we're going to drop some resources in the episode description.
Speaker 11: If you guys want to donate or volunteer, if you're
Speaker 11: in the area, I encourage you to do that.
Speaker 8: Well, we're back.
Speaker 4: We decided to spend a little time talking about DJ today.
Speaker 4: There are a few things that I want to put
Speaker 4: on your radar quickly before I get into the Tulsa
Speaker 4: Black Wall Street report. I just want to mention that
Speaker 4: we are in the final stretch down to the wire
Speaker 4: on a pardon for Marilyn Moseby. We have not heard
Speaker 4: from the White House, we have not heard from the
Speaker 4: Department of Justice, We've not heard from the Pardon Office
Speaker 4: about whether or not she will be pardoned.
Speaker 8: There are a number of other folks who are also.
Speaker 4: Seeking seeking relief, and just given who Joe Biden has
Speaker 4: pardoned or sentence disease commuted so far, I would urge
Speaker 4: you all to once again sign our Color of Change petition,
Speaker 4: and I'd also urge you to call the White House
Speaker 4: to let them know where you stand.
Speaker 8: A number of our friends are no longer working.
Speaker 4: Their last day was on Monday or Tuesday, and so
Speaker 4: it's going to be harder to get through, but we
Speaker 4: cannot give up. We need to treat this as if
Speaker 4: this was one of our own family members, our sister,
Speaker 4: our friend, Marilyn Moseby, is wanting to maintain her freedom.
Speaker 4: It is abundantly important because that is the only way
Speaker 4: she'll be able to practice law and provide for her
Speaker 4: two daughters if she does not get a pardon, and
Speaker 4: perhaps even when on this appeal, she doesn't get to
Speaker 4: keep the property that she paid for with her own
Speaker 4: retirement funds. So I'd ask you all to keep justice
Speaker 4: in mind as we talk about a massive injustice that
Speaker 4: the community of Tulsa has experienced for well over one
Speaker 4: hundred years. Black Wall Street was burned to the ground
Speaker 4: in May of nineteen twenty one behind an allegation misinformation
Speaker 4: that now we see run rampant online. And what I
Speaker 4: think I want to start first with what I believe
Speaker 4: the Department of Justice got right. What they got right
Speaker 4: where the facts the facts are indisputable. Unfortunately, many of
Speaker 4: our textbooks don't talk to us about these kinds of facts,
Speaker 4: whether it's Blackwall Street or Rosewood or any other community
Speaker 4: that was burned to the ground in nineteen nineteen and
Speaker 4: so forth. We don't hear about these stories, and so
Speaker 4: often they are suppressed because folks know that if they
Speaker 4: are told that justice will.
Speaker 8: Be on the other side.
Speaker 4: Well, the Department of Justice got wrong, is the legal
Speaker 4: analysis is saying it's unfortunate that they can't prosecute anyone
Speaker 4: for the crime of what happened in Blackwall Street, given
Speaker 4: that it was a coordinated attack by their own words.
Speaker 4: But I also think that they went a little light
Speaker 4: on civil liability. It's important that the city knows that
Speaker 4: it has an obligation to make whole the survivors, to
Speaker 4: make whole the descendants, and I think that it's.
Speaker 8: Falling woefully short here.
Speaker 4: This is a report that comes on the other side
Speaker 4: of Joe Biden going to Tulsa himself in twenty twenty
Speaker 4: one and assuring the at that point there were three
Speaker 4: that they would see justice in his administration. Now Mother Fletcher,
Speaker 4: mother Randall, one hundred and ten years old, have yet
Speaker 4: to see justice served and have yet to be restored
Speaker 4: and repaired for what was wrong and the many things
Speaker 4: and many people, many homes, many businesses that they witnessed losing.
Speaker 1: This is so terrible, and I mean because it really
Speaker 1: has felt like they were waiting out the survivors. We
Speaker 1: lost Uncle Red last year, and it just baffles me
Speaker 1: that these people will not see any justice on both fronts.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, because when you were talking
Speaker 1: about the pardons. I found myself becoming a lot more
Speaker 1: in raids, and obviously we want Marilyn to get a pardon.
Speaker 1: That was one of the questions I was going to
Speaker 1: ask you, what does it mean for her? You know
Speaker 1: she's not going to jail. Why is it so important?
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you saying this is how she provides
Speaker 1: for her families, and she stands to lose her property
Speaker 1: that she paid for with her own money. So as
Speaker 1: tragic as that is and certainly warrants the attention of
Speaker 1: this administration, I'm also struck by the people who did
Speaker 1: lose their livelihood, who lost their liberty, who are in prison.
Speaker 1: And as this president was the author of the nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four crime bill that was widely supported by a
Speaker 1: lot of law enforcement or elect luck and officials that
Speaker 1: happen to look like us, I just think there is
Speaker 1: a debt ode to society but also our community, because
Speaker 1: I'm increasingly challenged with taken away a person's liberty the
Speaker 1: more we talk about what happens inside these prison systems.
Speaker 1: So it's devastating that this president could leave this office
Speaker 1: and leave these injustices unaddressed. It's discussing to see Andrew, Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 5: No, I just want to say quickly on on the
Speaker 5: Tolsa piece that I think it's important we all understand.
Speaker 5: And Angela, I know you probably know this better than
Speaker 5: all of us. Is the precedent that these folks are
Speaker 5: trying to avoid a hology with financial restitution to make
Speaker 5: communities quote whole, which you can't be truly whole after
Speaker 5: after that kind of terror is visited upon you. But
Speaker 5: but what these folks are most afraid of, and I
Speaker 5: think at every level, local, state, and federal, is that
Speaker 5: there will be example somewhere, Tulsa being frankly the perfect
Speaker 5: place where it is a known travesty executed against black folks,
Speaker 5: that the folks who are responsible for putting out fires,
Speaker 5: your local your local government, by and large, law enforcement,
Speaker 5: also local government, that at every level the institution failed
Speaker 5: and because of their failure, lives were lost, the community ravage, devastated,
Speaker 5: and disappeared by and large, except for the spirit that
Speaker 5: stills abound A bounds in there there there there remain
Speaker 5: remaining ancestors. And and I just I just want to
Speaker 5: call out capitalism and the government's fear of having the
Speaker 5: bill come due that is justly owed to black folks justly.
Speaker 4: So yes, the reparations battle also hangs in the balance here, Andrew.
Speaker 1: And Andrew, I appreciate what you're thinking about reparations, and
Speaker 1: I just want to remind our viewers that Mayor g
Speaker 1: T buying them, who himself is the descendant of enslavers,
Speaker 1: and who according to some reporting, had family who could
Speaker 1: potentially have been a part of the riots and destruction,
Speaker 1: has been an advocate or an active opponent of reparations
Speaker 1: and paying out damages to these families. So the hypocrisy
Speaker 1: runs rampant, Andrew, I know you wanted to get okay.
Speaker 4: Sorry just on that point, though, it is important to
Speaker 4: note that Tulsa this year or last year, sorry at
Speaker 4: the in the election elected Monroe Nichols, who is a
Speaker 4: black mayor now, who is actually citing with thinking that
Speaker 4: the city of Tulsa is responsible for this massacre.
Speaker 5: I hope there.
Speaker 1: I don't think I realized that there was a new
Speaker 1: mayor there, so congratulations and.
Speaker 3: Big deal.
Speaker 5: A little bio piece on him which was just really
Speaker 5: hometown embracing white folks, black folks. People really wrap their
Speaker 5: hands around him, and I hope that lasts for him
Speaker 5: as long as possible, because when you come down on
Speaker 5: an issue like this, it does tend to divide folks
Speaker 5: on one side or another. But you know what, brother, writers,
Speaker 5: writers write all the time, So more power to you.
Speaker 5: And speaking of writers, writers, right, Jack Smith, who we
Speaker 5: know as a special counsel who prosecuted began the prosecutions
Speaker 5: of Donald Trump on the federal document management case. That
Speaker 5: was the case that was happening down in Palm Beach
Speaker 5: with the Miami judge and of course in Washington, d C.
Speaker 5: January sixth, and the actions he took an association with
Speaker 5: the attempted to coup there produce a report quite thick.
Speaker 5: I think we're up to what one hundred and forty
Speaker 5: five pages explain the evidence that was collected, the case
Speaker 5: made against Donald Trump, and then basically saying that the
Speaker 5: outcome of the election is what stopped this case full stop.
Speaker 5: They couldn't go any further given d OJ's practice of
Speaker 5: not prosecuting a sitting pre not prosecuting bringing a prosecution
Speaker 5: against a sitting president. I found it interesting they took
Speaker 5: no real responsibility for the amount of time that it
Speaker 5: took to go from Trump being out of office four years.
Speaker 5: Fast forward, fast forward to these case being bought frankly
Speaker 5: in the in a year out from the next presidential election.
Speaker 5: I think they owe some accountability to us on this.
Speaker 5: But he does part the report by giving some advice
Speaker 5: around the fact that once investigations have begun, they should
Speaker 5: be able to continue in earnest by the DOJ, regardless
Speaker 5: of what elections happened to be going on. I don't know,
Speaker 5: y'all of that will become new DJ practice or if
Speaker 5: this just stands out in history as an anomaly. But
Speaker 5: but I am I have been repeatedly disappointed by this
Speaker 5: Department of Justice under its current Attorney General, Mary Garland,
Speaker 5: who I thought would be a stronger ally, but he is.
Speaker 5: He has from the very beginning, I think, been a
Speaker 5: week link in the administration and for the country. And
Speaker 5: so I'm not looking forward to the next one, uh
Speaker 5: necessarily which they are right now undergoing confirmation hearings. But
Speaker 5: but but this is a real disappointment. I appreciate the
Speaker 5: data of the information, y'all. I'm just not optimistic that
Speaker 5: this will in any way impact the OJ policy in
Speaker 5: a positive in a positive way, I'm not sure if
Speaker 5: y'all have thoughts.
Speaker 1: Well, we we've talked about structural violence, Andrew, and I
Speaker 1: think some of the things with Jack Smith is structural.
Speaker 1: But I want to switch gears and get into some
Speaker 1: actual violence on Capitol Hill. I'm sure you guys have
Speaker 1: seen some of the threats of violence happen this week,
Speaker 1: but this is not something new, and so I want
Speaker 1: you to take a list at some exchanges that have
Speaker 1: happened just over the past year, and then we'll talk
Speaker 1: about this increasing threat of violence and who it's coming from.
Speaker 1: More importantly, on the other side of the sound, let's
Speaker 1: roll that clip.
Speaker 12: The tough Guy Act in the Senate hearings. You know
Speaker 12: where to find me any place, any time, cowboy. Sorry,
Speaker 12: this is a time. This is a place. If you
Speaker 12: want to run your mouth, we can be too consenting adults.
Speaker 12: We can finish it here.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's fine, perfect, you.
Speaker 12: Want to do it now.
Speaker 9: I'd love to do it right now.
Speaker 12: We'll stand your butt up.
Speaker 5: Then you stand you up, but um hold stop it. Here.
Speaker 13: She is armed with a deadly assault rifle, pointing it
Speaker 13: toward three Democratic members and some people who wanted to
Speaker 13: give other people nightmare committed sedition and broke into the
Speaker 13: House of Representatives and tried to stop us while electing
Speaker 13: a president of the United States.
Speaker 8: America is the greatest country in the world.
Speaker 14: The staunch supporter of Donald Trump before she was elected,
Speaker 14: Marjorie Taylor Green posted unfounded far right non conspiracy theories online.
Speaker 14: The Georgia representative also harassed high school shooting victims, having
Speaker 14: claimed and then retracted that the attacks were staged.
Speaker 15: I don't even know how we we got there, because
Speaker 15: I tried to make it clear how many civil rights
Speaker 15: It doesn't just bail down to one conversation. But I
Speaker 15: can see that somebody's campaign coffers really are struggling right now.
Speaker 15: So she gonna keep saying trans trans trans so that
Speaker 15: people will feel threatened and child listen, I want you.
Speaker 15: I won't even stay out of those females have selsclaming
Speaker 15: my time.
Speaker 5: You will not do that.
Speaker 3: I am in my time.
Speaker 5: You want to take it out side chairman.
Speaker 16: And committee, so you That was our Texas Congress from
Speaker 16: Jasmine Crockett in exchanges Congress from Nancy Mays, and you
Speaker 16: may have heard at the end there she said, if
Speaker 16: you want to take it outside, we can.
Speaker 1: Those were the videos we were able to pull. However,
Speaker 1: I just want to remind our viewers. In November of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, according to
Speaker 1: the reporting at the time, allegedly elbowed Tennessee Republican Tim Burcheck.
Speaker 1: He was one of the eight GOP House members who
Speaker 1: voted to alse McCarthy from the speakership position. In October,
Speaker 1: he reportedly elbowed him in the hallway of the Capitol.
Speaker 1: On the Senate side, you heard Mark Mullen threatened to
Speaker 1: get in a physical fight with a witness at a hearing.
Speaker 1: House Oversight Committee chair James Comer called Congressman Jarrett Moscow
Speaker 1: was a Florida a smurf. Marjorie Taylor Green called Republican
Speaker 1: Daryl Isa a pussy. So these are the things happening
Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill while very serious things are going on,
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, guys, I think that this is
Speaker 1: the year we could see.
Speaker 3: Two members of Congress come to blows.
Speaker 1: And my question to you, Angela, really is if that happens, like,
Speaker 1: how do we, like, what is the protocol, Like, how
Speaker 1: do we anticipate the Capitol police would handle that? How
Speaker 1: do we anticipate. I mean, look, I would imagine if
Speaker 1: the CBC, the CBS have a ride for mine, if
Speaker 1: I'm a member of Congress, if you put your hands
Speaker 1: on Daz with krage, if I'm a member, I'm it's
Speaker 1: a melee.
Speaker 3: We all we all running.
Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous to be having these conversations, like you know,
Speaker 1: we on Capitol Hill talk about World Star. But this
Speaker 1: is the reality that.
Speaker 3: We're in right now.
Speaker 1: And if you know, it is the Republicans threatening by
Speaker 1: They're saying, you want to catch me outside, then let's
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: I don't know where we go from here.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you where we go from here. Tif Okay,
Speaker 8: listen here, listen, listen.
Speaker 4: Here, what we're doing, what we're doing now, we're we're
Speaker 4: doing that. I'm yeah, if you didn't do anyway, I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't really know. I ain't got nothing on this.
Speaker 5: It is really a no for them. I mean, I'm
Speaker 5: just watching the congressman. The senator started, you know, interviewing
Speaker 5: a panelists before a Senate hearing, you know, telling about
Speaker 5: something you want to think you want to stand up then,
Speaker 5: I mean, do you where do y'all think? Y'all at
Speaker 5: we know how you act at home now, but you
Speaker 5: should keep it at home, and I do.
Speaker 8: I tell you, I think, please don't take that nowhere.
Speaker 5: No. I mean, if you want to be big boy
Speaker 5: and go do that out on the ranch, you know,
Speaker 5: go have your you know, your your whatever. But I
Speaker 5: just I think Jasmine was under something around on the right.
Speaker 5: The more violent your rhetoric, the more ridiculous your claims
Speaker 5: and comments, the higher your trajectory is for not just
Speaker 5: campaign cash but looking at this administration for appointments, two offices.
Speaker 5: The more violent you are, the more accusations you have
Speaker 5: against you. Used to be a deficit these folks. Oh, no,
Speaker 5: badge of honor. Why don't you become Attorney General of
Speaker 5: the United States? That's what you get get, you get elevation.
Speaker 5: So Tiff, I think the incentive, unfortunately, is on the
Speaker 5: opposite side of decorum and truth, accountability and responsibility for
Speaker 5: the office you hold, not for yourself, but on behalf
Speaker 5: of the people who elected you to represent them all.
Speaker 5: That is secondary.
Speaker 1: Why you know, there's a I'm embarrassed. I'm so embarrassed.
Speaker 1: Oh Stacy fight, That's what it was. I was trying
Speaker 1: to remember who I interviewed someone on my show and
Speaker 1: it was Congressoman Stacey Plaskett, and I asked her about
Speaker 1: the threats that Marjorie Taylor Green had been issuing. It
Speaker 1: just all this gully talk that they have, you know,
Speaker 1: Twitter fingers like to talk a lot. And I asked her,
Speaker 1: how do you anticipate like handling that kind of potential violence,
Speaker 1: And she gave the best answer. Congresswoman Stacey Plaska, who
Speaker 1: represents the US Virgin Islands and in Congress, said, Marjorie
Speaker 1: Taylor Green may.
Speaker 3: Be dumb, but she's not stupid.
Speaker 1: And I just teak, that is the attitude that you
Speaker 1: have to deliver. Look, this is there are serious things
Speaker 1: happening right now, and we have elected the Angry Comments
Speaker 1: Section to be responsible for legislating what is happening in
Speaker 1: our country. And I just think some of them might
Speaker 1: be on a fat FO mission.
Speaker 8: Wait, can you please just just do just just real
Speaker 8: quick please.
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to be what we can
Speaker 1: start with the fact that Marjorie Taylor Green was harassing
Speaker 1: a survivor of a high school shooting. Like literally, for
Speaker 1: our listeners who are listening, don't watch, She's literally following these.
Speaker 8: They're not kid, I hear you.
Speaker 1: But it's all like it is all sad and funny
Speaker 1: at the same time, and ridiculous, utterly ridicul list. But
Speaker 1: on a serious note, my serious question is, and I
Speaker 1: don't even think the three of us have an answer.
Speaker 1: I do wonder how might the Capitol Hill Police handle
Speaker 1: a melee like that when there are members Because they're
Speaker 1: there to protect members of Congress, so aid right, So
Speaker 1: if two members and you are supposed to be impartial,
Speaker 1: if two members of Congress are in fisticuffs, then yes,
Speaker 1: obviously you're gonna break it up.
Speaker 3: But what if someone gets violent with you?
Speaker 4: What if you're telling you right now, let me tell you, no, no,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you about the Capitol Police right now.
Speaker 4: There is one group of police officers who I will
Speaker 4: always love and cherish.
Speaker 8: It is the Capitol Hill Police.
Speaker 4: Now it's a it's a rogue one every now and then,
Speaker 4: but most of these folks are so down for the cause.
Speaker 4: There was a sister had Lisa Blo Rochester, swearing in
Speaker 4: black woman officer and I was just like, I said,
Speaker 4: I just want you.
Speaker 8: To know I love you and I see you. Since
Speaker 8: she was like I appreciate. They're just down for the cause.
Speaker 8: So I'm gonna tell you right now, if it goes
Speaker 8: down and you.
Speaker 4: See the tape, Okay, Harry done, if Harry done in
Speaker 4: the room, if he got back in the room. He
Speaker 4: is riding with the CBC all day, so they don't
Speaker 4: get in trouble for that. But I'm telling you they
Speaker 4: ride for us and the members for sure, for.
Speaker 1: Sure, shout out to Harry Dunn, a real ass American hero,
Speaker 1: and yes and all his officer good good, And we
Speaker 1: saw on January sixth, So I don't know. I had
Speaker 1: shuddered to think that we might actually see what will
Speaker 1: happen if two members come to blows. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we won't find out. But I the the way
Speaker 1: things right, I think the way things are going, I
Speaker 1: could see this happening.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a lot more on Capitol Hill. I want
Speaker 1: to get into these confirmation hearings.
Speaker 3: Also, I do.
Speaker 1: Want y'all to know, yes, we know forever flows Michelle
Speaker 1: Obama is not going to inauguration, yes, and we.
Speaker 3: Have a lot of thoughts on that we have.
Speaker 1: We definitely are going to talk about that, but you
Speaker 1: will be able to hear us talk about that.
Speaker 3: We're doing a very special MLK show.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, it happens to be Inauguration Day, but
Speaker 1: we the only day we are acknowledging that day is
Speaker 1: MLK and we will discuss in detail a lot of
Speaker 1: things around inauguration, a lot of things around MLK Day,
Speaker 1: and we will definitely get into why Forever flows. Michelle
Speaker 1: Obama is not going to inauguration, so that is gonna
Speaker 1: drop on Monday.
Speaker 3: Be sure that you guys tune in to that.
Speaker 1: But on the other side of this break, I want
Speaker 1: to get into some of these confirmation hearings and some
Speaker 1: of the that shit crazy things that I've heard come
Speaker 1: out of Capitol Hill. So don't go anywhere. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back.
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Speaker 8: Now, it's more important things.
Speaker 5: No, I appreciate that. Don't forget folks, vote, vote, vote often,
Speaker 5: but only for the NAACP awards. Voting often in elections
Speaker 5: is illegal, so don't do that. But to some some information,
Speaker 5: and what's going on Capitol Hill, y'all, it's a rat
Speaker 5: race up there. I'm not even sure how these committees
Speaker 5: are like getting it done because confirmation, confirmation, confirmation. We
Speaker 5: are a couple of days out from the shifting of administrations,
Speaker 5: and when a new president and vice president come in, yes,
Speaker 5: a whole new cabinet, a whole new staff and all
Speaker 5: the other comes in with it. But of course, as
Speaker 5: y'all know because we've talked about it on this podcast before,
Speaker 5: that this is a particularly special time with this Trump
Speaker 5: administed transition, because these folks are also going to be
Speaker 5: trying to deepen into the government infrastructure, the employee employment infrastructure,
Speaker 5: to make sure that they have loyal people at every
Speaker 5: level of the government. We ought to keep our eyes
Speaker 5: out for that. But right now, let's check out some
Speaker 5: of the heads of agencies and departments who are undergoing confirmation.
Speaker 5: We began the week week with Keith Hegsef Pee Pee Pete.
Speaker 5: I don't know what I said. I think it's a
Speaker 5: key Keith, but Pete Hegseth, who is up for Secretary
Speaker 5: of the Department of Defense of these United States, And
Speaker 5: I'd love for you to take a quick quick look
Speaker 5: at how he was handled during one of those questioning periods.
Speaker 17: Here we have hundreds hundreds of women who are currently
Speaker 17: in the infantry, lethal members of our military serving in
Speaker 17: the infantry, but you degrade them, you say we need
Speaker 17: but not in the military, especially in combat units. You
Speaker 17: will be in charge of three million personnel.
Speaker 8: It is a big job.
Speaker 17: And when you make these public statements, and I get
Speaker 17: you are not Secretary of Defense, then I get you
Speaker 17: were on TV. I get you were helping veterans. I
Speaker 17: get it was a different job. But most recently, you
Speaker 17: said this in November of twenty twenty four, knowing full
Speaker 17: well you might have been named.
Speaker 3: As Secretary of Defense.
Speaker 5: Defense.
Speaker 17: So please explain these types of statements because they're brutal,
Speaker 17: and they're mean, and they disrespect men and women who
Speaker 17: are willing to die for this country.
Speaker 18: I spent months talking to active duty service members, men
Speaker 18: and women, low ranks, high ranks, combat arms and not
Speaker 18: combat arms. And what each and every one of them
Speaker 18: told me, and which personal instances have shown me, is
Speaker 18: that in ways direct, indirect, overt, and subtle, standards have
Speaker 18: been changed inside infantry training units, ranger school, infantry battalions
Speaker 18: to ensure the example.
Speaker 17: Please give me an example. I get you're making these.
Speaker 18: Generals quotas to have a certain number of female infantry
Speaker 18: officers or infustry enlisted, and that disparages those women.
Speaker 17: Commanders do not have to be a quotas for the infantry.
Speaker 17: Commanders do not have to have a quota for women
Speaker 17: in the infantry.
Speaker 3: That does not exist.
Speaker 8: It does not exist.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we just that's a brief preview of what yesterday
Speaker 5: looked like. So that was a New York State senator,
Speaker 5: New York senator representing obviously the state of New York,
Speaker 5: Kirsten Gillibrand, who I have to tell you, I felt
Speaker 5: like she and the women on that committee yesterday, Mazie
Speaker 5: Harano and many others, even even former vice presidential nominee
Speaker 5: and senator from Ware Virginia.
Speaker 8: Timmaavor that watch day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well either way, all I want to say is
Speaker 5: I thought that one it was clear no Republican defected
Speaker 5: and hec seth is you know, probably going to get
Speaker 5: the votes that he needs. But that was him being
Speaker 5: taken to task over his comments about women moms not
Speaker 5: being in the military, so on and so forth, and
Speaker 5: them members of the Democratic Party holding him accountable to
Speaker 5: some of them, and it got fiery yesterday. If you
Speaker 5: didn't see that, I hope folks are able to check
Speaker 5: it out. Tiffany and Angela. I know'll y'all monitored it
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 1: What were your highlights from I just want to just
Speaker 1: one our our listeners and viewers to know who is
Speaker 1: getting confirmed and for what this week. So uh this
Speaker 1: week on Tuesday, we just talked about Pete Hesath, who
Speaker 1: faced the Senate and as Secretary of Defense.
Speaker 3: On Wednesday. Pam Bondi out of.
Speaker 1: Florida is uh in confirmation hearing for Attorney General, as
Speaker 1: is Senator Marco Rubio for Secretary of State, as is
Speaker 1: former Congressman Sean Duffy of Wisconsin. He will know the
Speaker 1: real world confirmed, yes, real world fame. He will be
Speaker 1: in confirmation hearings for Secretary of Transportation John Ratcliffe for
Speaker 1: CIA Director. This is a big deal because, as you know,
Speaker 1: Chris Ray the outgoing Uh, I'm sorry, Chris raised FBI,
Speaker 1: I'm the CIA director. Is uh very important because if
Speaker 1: you watch Lions, there are a lot of issues facing
Speaker 1: our facing our our country. Chris Wright, Secretary of Energy.
Speaker 1: He's an executive of a natural gas company based in Denver.
Speaker 1: Russell Valt Director of Office O and B, Office of
Speaker 1: Management and Budget. Which is a big deal. Scott Turner
Speaker 1: on Thursday, which is HUD. He is a former football
Speaker 1: player who served as a mid level official in the
Speaker 1: first Trump administration. He's been elevated to lead a cabinet position.
Speaker 1: Lee Zelden for the e P a environmental protection AG.
Speaker 1: Doug Bergh, I'm another Trump loyalist for Interior Secretary, Scott
Speaker 1: Bestnett Treasury you and imagine that is a huge deal.
Speaker 1: A huge deal, Bescent, I'm sorry, I said, Bescent. And
Speaker 1: Christy Nome, infamous who infamously wrote about shooting her dog,
Speaker 1: her puppy. She will be facing the Senate on Friday
Speaker 1: for Homeland Security. So things are moving quickly on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 1: We obviously by the time some of you all may
Speaker 1: listen to this, we have already we have not talked
Speaker 1: about it because it wasn't happening at the time that
Speaker 1: we had this discussion. But play keen attention to what's
Speaker 1: happening on Capitol Hill because this these are the people
Speaker 1: who will be leading government.
Speaker 3: Angela have you.
Speaker 1: Because the House doesn't really deal with confirmation hearings. What
Speaker 1: has traditionally been the role I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people wonder this of the Congressional Black Caucus, who serves
Speaker 1: in the lower chamber of the House, what has just
Speaker 1: traditionally been their role with helping confirm people or trying
Speaker 1: to stop people from confirmation since they're not on the
Speaker 1: Senate side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'll say, gone the ladder because that's the
Speaker 4: day and adri we are in now. I think that
Speaker 4: their role really is to help people understand and folks records.
Speaker 4: They'll go on air, They'll talk to their colleagues and
Speaker 4: their state delegation. They will meet with people that they
Speaker 4: have friendly relationships with, such as if they share views
Speaker 4: of the Progressive Caucus or if they're in the Blue
Speaker 4: Dogs or whatever. They will meet and talk about things
Speaker 4: that they know about these individuals. Some of them have
Speaker 4: worked with these nominees. We know Pam Bondi and her
Speaker 4: role with some really tragic events in Florida. Some of
Speaker 4: the Florida delegation is certain to speak out against some
Speaker 4: of those things that she's done, including some of the
Speaker 4: ways in which she's massive been responsible for some massive injustice,
Speaker 4: including saying that Donald Trump actually won Pennsylvania in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: So you can expect to hear the Pennsylvania delegation speak
Speaker 4: out against that. They will write letters to senators and
Speaker 4: again talk to their friends, but there's not a formal role.
Speaker 4: They don't have any voting procedures, any hearings that they
Speaker 4: conduct on those actual nominations themselves.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't sound like anybody can stop it. I mean,
Speaker 3: you don't. You have Senator Joni Ernst.
Speaker 1: Who is herself a survivor of abuse and sexual assault,
Speaker 1: who is willing to vote for Pete Hegsath as Secretary
Speaker 1: of Defense, who will be in charge of three million
Speaker 1: people and a massive budget, who has never managed more
Speaker 1: than eighty people, and she and he's also been accused
Speaker 1: of sexual assault, and she is voting for him, Andrew,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what it will say. Like,
Speaker 1: this is not a Senate, it is a cult. These
Speaker 1: are people who are there. Every question they ask it
Speaker 1: is on some level. Are you a Trump loyalist? You
Speaker 1: know Democrats keep asking will you say no? And that
Speaker 1: was one of the questions. We should play this clip
Speaker 1: of Bondi Pam Bondi, because you and I disagree on
Speaker 1: how she handles this question. So let's hear from Pam Bondy,
Speaker 1: who is being in confirmation hearing to become the next
Speaker 1: Attorney General.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 19: Would you have hired someone into the Florida Attorney General's
Speaker 19: office who you knew had an enemy's list?
Speaker 12: Senator to cut to the chase, clearly talking about Cash Pattel,
Speaker 12: I don't believe he has an enemy's list.
Speaker 4: Cash Battel has a published enemies list. So she has
Speaker 4: perjured herself as the next Attorney General lying to Congress
Speaker 4: when she knows full damn well that Cash Patael has.
Speaker 8: An enemy's list. Not only does he have his enemies list,
Speaker 8: it is published. We gonna put it up on the
Speaker 8: screen right now. Run that thing back. What does that say, Pam?
Speaker 8: You know better, Pam, stop lying, Pam. That's all I
Speaker 8: got to say about that.
Speaker 3: I just like to tell of yours.
Speaker 1: Cash Hotel is who Trump has tapped to run the FBI,
Speaker 1: and he has called members of the FBI people employees
Speaker 1: of the FBI is a deep state.
Speaker 3: He is a person. These are all people who are out.
Speaker 1: Pambondi herself has said, we're going to prosecute the prosecutors,
Speaker 1: We're going to investigate the investigators. They are all trafficking
Speaker 1: on an enemy's list. I am curious from a legal perspective.
Speaker 1: Can she plead ignorance? Can she say, well, I didn't
Speaker 1: know he had this published enemies list? And what's important
Speaker 1: to know about this, This Cash Hotel will be reporting
Speaker 1: into the d l J. He will be Pam Binni
Speaker 1: will essentially be one of his bosses. They all serve
Speaker 1: with the pleasure of the President, but the FBI falls
Speaker 1: under the DLJ.
Speaker 5: I also think she said I don't I don't believe,
Speaker 5: I don't believe, and yeah, and she did. And quite frankly,
Speaker 5: the reason why I said she had done well or
Speaker 5: what was doing, was because she was able to back
Speaker 5: out of basically everything she said, leading up to this.
Speaker 3: Are there questionings crappy?
Speaker 5: Well, well, I've seen she's very crafty. Answer she has
Speaker 5: been answering, Well, she is giving them. She is giving
Speaker 5: Democrats and certainly the Republicans the cover they need by saying,
Speaker 5: I will be the who's your Who's for instance, who's
Speaker 5: your client? As you change a constitution? And the American
Speaker 5: people are my client? Right, So they're trying to say
Speaker 5: you're gonna work for Donald Trump and she says, no,
Speaker 5: the constitution and the American people love my client. I
Speaker 5: may be asked to advise him, and then in other
Speaker 5: areas it will was Joe Biden win the presidency. Joe
Speaker 5: Biden is the president, the forty six president, and Donald
Speaker 5: Trump will be the forty seventh president. So just these
Speaker 5: obfuscations that that was a good answer, it wasn't a
Speaker 5: good answer.
Speaker 3: I'm well, she refused.
Speaker 1: What I took away from that, she refused to say
Speaker 1: that Joe Biden got a majority of the votes.
Speaker 3: We agree, Still an apology.
Speaker 8: Also, how do we define good?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 4: Are we saying good and we don't like it? Are
Speaker 4: we don't get to shift this so much? But saying so,
Speaker 4: here's my question, how are we defining is it a
Speaker 4: good answer? Are we saying good by the standards of
Speaker 4: integrity and what is moral and what is right?
Speaker 8: Are we saying good? And that it was effective?
Speaker 5: Effective? And to affect it to this end, yeah, affected
Speaker 5: to the end that it causes no Republican senators to
Speaker 5: then jump on the line of questioning that creates what
Speaker 5: looks like an opening on the right for her to
Speaker 5: be defeated. And so far just as it and hex
Speaker 5: a confirmation, not one single Republican senator chased down a
Speaker 5: line of questioning that would have in any way held
Speaker 5: him accountable. Not none, whatsoever. Ernest was was gonna be
Speaker 5: the one who probably got closest to opening the door,
Speaker 5: didn't even open it, closed it, you know, right shut.
Speaker 5: So what I mean by good is no, I think
Speaker 5: the answer is disingenuine. I think there's some credibility issues there,
Speaker 5: and you know, I wish there was a way to
Speaker 5: hold it a greater account But to the point of
Speaker 5: effectiveness is will it cause any Republicans consternation? And right now,
Speaker 5: as the American people.
Speaker 4: Were to hear there the nation bar is very.
Speaker 5: No, not in mine.
Speaker 4: But there no I sat there, I didn't say there,
Speaker 4: So I don't know like they was she would have
Speaker 4: to go in there and like light herself on fire
Speaker 4: and roll around for them to have any consternation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, in truth, her predecessor nominee for that office,
Speaker 5: gave them consternation and he dropped out right, he had
Speaker 5: to withdraw, uh uh. And of course I'm costing my Congressman,
Speaker 5: Matt Gates had to withdraw from from that position.
Speaker 4: So there are some people that's because there was a
Speaker 4: report coming out about his alleged But.
Speaker 5: The report was always coming out, and we always knew
Speaker 5: that the man was truly thought.
Speaker 8: That they were going to be able to hold it up. Remember,
Speaker 8: they thought that they.
Speaker 5: Were I personally did not believe that they would have
Speaker 5: success at keeping from one hundred US senators detail. But
Speaker 5: but but I don't think that detail mattered to them
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 1: Right, what does matter to them? I mean, the only
Speaker 1: thing that matters on the Republican side of the vide
Speaker 1: is how loyal will you be Donald Trump?
Speaker 5: That's it. Yeah, that's that's it.
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, even at risk of national security? How
Speaker 1: loyal will you be to Donald Trump? Pan BONDI was
Speaker 1: also she lobbied for the country of Cutter. I mean,
Speaker 1: there there are so many pete he seths, like we
Speaker 1: didn't see a full FBI background check on him, and
Speaker 1: they still.
Speaker 4: And they're not going to the Other thing is you
Speaker 4: were talking about that FBI background checks. They're also not
Speaker 4: going to have to go through the traditional security clearance process.
Speaker 4: They didn't hire a firm to make it okay for
Speaker 4: all these folks to get security clearances, whether they've had
Speaker 4: issues with the law or not. Even the president will
Speaker 4: have top secret and classified information available to him as
Speaker 4: a convicted felon.
Speaker 8: That is unheard of. There's so many to.
Speaker 1: Ask you about that because you've gone through the security
Speaker 1: clearance process and I'm struck by that.
Speaker 3: What is the process?
Speaker 1: Like, what are some things that they're looking for that
Speaker 1: you went through that these people might be able to
Speaker 1: buy pass.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're looking for any issues with finances, like if
Speaker 4: you have significant debt, because if you have significant.
Speaker 1: Debt, shut up, I'm not confirmed.
Speaker 8: I'm not talking in a conversation. I was talking about the.
Speaker 4: Security security player, Okay, But I will just say like
Speaker 4: they're looking for some significant debt because they think that
Speaker 4: folks who have significant debt are more easily bribed. They
Speaker 4: are looking for whether or not you have any felony
Speaker 4: or any significant character issue. So that's why I'm saying
Speaker 4: it is a amazing to me that even to get
Speaker 4: a freaking pre check, to get tsa pre check, there
Speaker 4: are certain things that you can have to get global entry.
Speaker 4: You cannot have had a DUI on your record. All
Speaker 4: of that stuff is out the window for Trump and
Speaker 4: his cabinet picks, and arguably some of the folks that
Speaker 4: he is hiring to work in the White House that
Speaker 4: don't have to be sentate confirmed. So the bar and
Speaker 4: the standard is significantly shifting. And I wonder what happens
Speaker 4: when the proletariat realizes that the bar and shifted for
Speaker 4: some but not for all.
Speaker 5: Well, while just say this, the high point for me is,
Speaker 5: and I know we're going to break after this, is
Speaker 5: simply that one of the Foxes are in charge of
Speaker 5: the Henhouses. In every department, every secretary, every appointee, there
Speaker 5: is antithetical by and large to the mission and even
Speaker 5: in some cases education i e. The existence of certain
Speaker 5: departments that they are now in charge of. And so
Speaker 5: what that leads for the rest of us. One know,
Speaker 5: there's not gonna be a lot of shock and awe.
Speaker 5: It's going to be pretty awful their efforts. But too,
Speaker 5: they still have to be held to account at every turn.
Speaker 5: We still have to make noise about it. We still
Speaker 5: have to make sure people are aware. And I think
Speaker 5: more importantly, our vigilance, our eternal vigilance, is really going
Speaker 5: to be needed on the stuff that they don't talk
Speaker 5: about out loud, the you know, the little break trails
Speaker 5: they're not leaving behind. We know enough about heatstaf to
Speaker 5: know that the man don't like women, he don't like
Speaker 5: black people. He's questionable people of color, and if he
Speaker 5: had it his way, it would be an all white male,
Speaker 5: one US military that basically bends to the whims of
Speaker 5: him and Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: He will politicize the military.
Speaker 5: It's already done. His answers yesterday were sol I mean,
Speaker 5: this week, we're incredulous.
Speaker 8: That Tim kne clip.
Speaker 3: All right, I want to break. Let's let's play going
Speaker 3: to break.
Speaker 1: We're gonna play the Tim Kane clip so you guys
Speaker 1: can hear the back and forth between he and Virginia
Speaker 1: Senator Tim Kane, who has you all will remember, was
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton's running mate in the twenty sixteen race. So
Speaker 1: take a listen to this and we will see you
Speaker 1: on the other side of the break when we're going
Speaker 1: to get in the calls to action. Anything else we
Speaker 1: didn't get to touch on, so we'll see you when
Speaker 1: we come back.
Speaker 19: That occurred in Monterey, California, in October twenty seventeen. At
Speaker 19: that time, you were still married to your second wife, correct.
Speaker 5: I believe so, And you had just fathered a.
Speaker 19: Child by a woman who would later become your third wife.
Speaker 5: Correct, Senator, I.
Speaker 18: Was falsely charged, fully investigated, and completely cleared.
Speaker 19: So you think you are completely cleared because you committed
Speaker 19: no crime, that's your definition of cleared. You had just
Speaker 19: fathered a child two months before by a woman that
Speaker 19: was not your wife. I am shocked that you would
Speaker 19: stand here and say you are completely cleared. Can you
Speaker 19: so casually cheat on a second wife and cheat on
Speaker 19: the mother of a child who had been born two
Speaker 19: months before, and you tell us you are completely cleared?
Speaker 5: So how is that a complete clear? Senator?
Speaker 18: Her child's name is Gwendolen Hope heg Seth, and she's
Speaker 18: a child of God and she's seven.
Speaker 19: Years old, and she was and you cheated on the
Speaker 19: mother of that child less than two months after that
Speaker 19: daughter was born, didn't you those were false charges?
Speaker 18: Well, no, Jullie investigated and I was completely cleared.
Speaker 5: And I am so youthful, and you're in the marriage.
Speaker 18: I have to this.
Speaker 19: No, you've you've admitted that you had sex at that
Speaker 19: hotel in October twenty seventeen. You said it was consensual.
Speaker 19: Isn't that correct?
Speaker 5: Anything?
Speaker 2: Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
Speaker 1: So you just heard that grilling from Senator Tim Kaine
Speaker 1: talking to Defense Secretary nominee Pete Heg Sath about his
Speaker 1: extracurricular activities, his affair.
Speaker 3: His baby, mama's all of it. And you know, I'm
Speaker 3: I ask y'all might just give me here do we think?
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm struck by what you were saying,
Speaker 1: Angela about the security process, because that debt that somebody could, Oh,
Speaker 1: we don't know if you have debt to a foreign agency,
Speaker 1: a foreign country, a company with nefarious intentions.
Speaker 3: You know, if you have this.
Speaker 1: Big debt with byte Dance, how might you treat the
Speaker 1: TikTok issue? Like, we just have no idea, But I
Speaker 1: want to talk about this exchange with Tim Kaine, because look,
Speaker 1: these things happen on both sides. DC is considered one
Speaker 1: of the most unfaithful cities in the country because exactly
Speaker 1: is definitely bipartisan, so it crosses all liness. So my
Speaker 1: question is, is it fair to you guys that you
Speaker 1: can bring up someone's personal life because really their marriage
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to do.
Speaker 3: With the job.
Speaker 1: Or do y'all think no, it's fair game because y'all
Speaker 1: out here trying to be the party of fan values
Speaker 1: and morality.
Speaker 3: So we gonna ask you ask about it. What do
Speaker 3: y'all say?
Speaker 8: So here's the thing I would just say.
Speaker 4: I think in the context in which Tim Kine raises
Speaker 4: this masterfully, it is fine. I think that when you
Speaker 4: have questions about whether or not someone can keep an oath,
Speaker 4: particularly when they are charged with protecting and defending the
Speaker 4: United States of America at the Department of Defense, Yes,
Speaker 4: your ability to keep an oath matters. You couldn't keep
Speaker 4: the oath the first time, you couldn't keep the oath
Speaker 4: the second time, and in the middle of the second
Speaker 4: time you was getting pregnant your third time.
Speaker 8: And cheated on her before you was even married to her.
Speaker 4: So I think what's hard about that, though, is as
Speaker 4: a daddy's girl. He references this seven year old daughter
Speaker 4: he has now, and so this is something that the
Speaker 4: child will one day grow up and see or even
Speaker 4: will get teased about it now or in a little while.
Speaker 4: That's hard, and I don't ever wish that on any child.
Speaker 4: But I do think that parents when they decide that
Speaker 4: they want to dive into public service.
Speaker 8: We know Andrew.
Speaker 4: Firsthand from campaign, and it is all fair game, or
Speaker 4: it's not fair game, but it's all game.
Speaker 5: And it's definitely a game.
Speaker 4: It's all game, and so that's a part of it.
Speaker 4: I wish that he would have more pointedly answered the question.
Speaker 4: He was asked about the incident because it was an
Speaker 4: alleged sexual assault. He says that he was cleared from it,
Speaker 4: and Tim Kaine's point was, you were cleared from the assault,
Speaker 4: but you weren't cleared from cheating on your wife with
Speaker 4: your baby mama, who is now your third wife. And
Speaker 4: I think it's fair to ask that given the precarious
Speaker 4: position he's in, given the fact that his experience being
Speaker 4: a military leader is a Fox News host, and given
Speaker 4: the fact that he served, but not for long, So
Speaker 4: I think it's all fair. We have to base this
Speaker 4: on your experiences, and it sounds like, friend, you have
Speaker 4: more experience and being a hole and then being a
Speaker 4: military leader.
Speaker 8: I would like that.
Speaker 5: I'll just say I think first of all, with these
Speaker 5: Republicans in US and converse, everything is fair game. They
Speaker 5: don't take anything off the table. If you breathed the
Speaker 5: wrong direction, it is it's a cardinal sin. And I
Speaker 5: also know that if if hexth we're a Democrat and
Speaker 5: appointed by a Democratic president, that all hell would have
Speaker 5: been broken loose on the Republican side of that panel
Speaker 5: and they would have shredded to him over his demonstrated record.
Speaker 5: Quite frankly, I think there is enough to to totally
Speaker 5: snatch this guy's head just on the legitimate stuff is
Speaker 5: work stuff, even the sexual assault stuff that I don't
Speaker 5: draw the conclusion that a person who has had personal
Speaker 5: indiscretions can't keep an oath. I don't think that you
Speaker 5: go naturally to that conclusion, but it appts absolutely shows
Speaker 5: something about an individual's character at that point in time.
Speaker 5: But it is a matter that's probably left to the
Speaker 5: family to deal with, especially if you're a US Senator.
Speaker 5: I probably wouldn't be up there throwing any stones if
Speaker 5: I were one of those people. But I do think
Speaker 5: what is fair is what this man has done to
Speaker 5: transgress onto women unwantingly without their permission, the way in
Speaker 5: which he views women by and large, that they can
Speaker 5: have babies, but they cannot serve their country in the
Speaker 5: US military. His position on every black person who has
Speaker 5: ever had a position of any import only got there
Speaker 5: because of the color of their skin, not the content
Speaker 5: of their character or the quality of the work in
Speaker 5: which they have had to do and then have done.
Speaker 5: So there's just so many ways to level this dude.
Speaker 5: That probably would be an avenue that I would have taken.
Speaker 5: But I do think, frankly, with these folks, everything's on
Speaker 5: the table.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's on the table because Republicans are,
Speaker 1: you know, this hypocritical party of family values, and literally
Speaker 1: nobody in this party has any family values, right exact,
Speaker 1: That's the only reason I think it's on the table.
Speaker 5: I'll say, their values only apply to the opposition, right exactly, if.
Speaker 8: They have they have the talking points.
Speaker 4: He references his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in this hearing,
Speaker 4: and it almost for me, I'm a Christian. When he says,
Speaker 4: you know, well I've been Basically the argument is I've
Speaker 4: been redeemed.
Speaker 8: Well, that's hard to argue with. I can't. I can't
Speaker 8: make that case.
Speaker 4: What I can say is that you've had consistent lapses
Speaker 4: in judgment, and those are the kinds of things that
Speaker 4: we should call into question for someone leading accountant.
Speaker 5: Certainly the defense of the United States of America, right,
Speaker 5: this is in the Preamble providing for the common defense.
Speaker 5: And if the guy is compromised, that's a problem, and
Speaker 5: the need to make sure that his skeletons are out
Speaker 5: is pretty pre eminent for this Senate because, as you
Speaker 5: already pointed out, Angela, the purpose behind that is not
Speaker 5: to make sure that you are a perfect person. It
Speaker 5: is simply to ensure that something you've done cannot be
Speaker 5: held over your head. And you basically use the full
Speaker 5: weight and power of the defense of the United States
Speaker 5: as a negotiating or bargaining tool to keep your secret secret.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 1: We talked about this before when we were talking about
Speaker 1: who would be our Scotis pics, and Angela was like,
Speaker 1: don't put me on Scots. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: on Scots. But she did say she would love to
Speaker 1: do the confirmation hearing. I think I would like to
Speaker 1: do a confirmation here.
Speaker 3: I rat for one of those.
Speaker 5: With Democrats in charge.
Speaker 8: Though, let's practice, let's pragup for one.
Speaker 3: I want Nancy Mays to ask me a question.
Speaker 8: Because she's not a senator.
Speaker 1: Oh that's true. That's the how, that's true. Okay, on
Speaker 1: the Senate side, do I want to come for me?
Speaker 1: Joey Earns, Let me be Johnny Art, Let me be
Speaker 1: Johnny Urt. I couldn't practice now because I don't know
Speaker 1: what the Senate is. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the position is.
Speaker 5: About.
Speaker 4: You be, You're gonna be nominated for the Secretary of Agriculture.
Speaker 8: You ready, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know anything about it.
Speaker 4: Okay, Secretary of Education. Okay, here we go, Secretary of
Speaker 4: Black people?
Speaker 8: Are you ready?
Speaker 4: You got this one? You got this one? Secretary hip
Speaker 4: hop you ready?
Speaker 5: Uh? Definitely of sports?
Speaker 8: Here?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 8: Here, ok that's better, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 4: Tip, miss Cross, you have repeatedly said that you are
Speaker 4: a sports expert. When I reviewed your resume, I see
Speaker 4: no uh sports employment history. I see no internship. I
Speaker 4: haven't even seen where this is my best Johnny accident.
Speaker 8: I'll not, she said, I.
Speaker 4: Haven't even seen where you have watched any programs for sports.
Speaker 4: I'd like to know what you would do for this country.
Speaker 4: You'reclaiming my time, black man, who I don't even think
Speaker 4: you should be here in this.
Speaker 5: Can be a little bit reclaiming time, Senator.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get to my question, Chairman, that's my question,
Speaker 4: Please mute.
Speaker 8: Is my miscross you my answer?
Speaker 1: I think if she asked me something like that, honestly,
Speaker 1: I would point out her own hypocrisy and how she
Speaker 1: has handled.
Speaker 3: Yeah, every every.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would punctuate the point that I would
Speaker 1: sarcastically say, I know how important qualifications are to you,
Speaker 1: given that you voted to confirm Pete Headsats and accuse.
Speaker 3: Somebody accused of sexual assault.
Speaker 1: I know how important this is you, given that you
Speaker 1: voted to confirm Jeff Sessions, somebody who was a known racist.
Speaker 3: You know I would go through their own record each.
Speaker 5: Time, and sports events that have women.
Speaker 3: Well, honestly, honestly, but.
Speaker 1: STONE think that people would come at me with sports
Speaker 1: because they know I would level them on.
Speaker 3: Anything they want to. They don't want to. They don't
Speaker 3: want to do that.
Speaker 8: Good, but they don't want to come for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah you would work for.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, Okay, I'm gonna go first because y'all
Speaker 1: people not gonna like mine, and I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: mine anyway.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: I am so disheartened by what is happening in LA
Speaker 1: and the fires, and I have to say, you all
Speaker 1: know I love animals, and I have seen people fight
Speaker 1: through firemen to get their dogs, their pitbulls, their cats,
Speaker 1: like all their animals out, and I'm thinking about all
Speaker 1: the little creatures who lost their life in the trees
Speaker 1: and whatnot.
Speaker 3: And I've seen so many animal rescues.
Speaker 1: So I just want to say, for the people who
Speaker 1: are pet owners and those of you who are, you
Speaker 1: know they're your fur babies. You care about them. I
Speaker 1: follow black people pets. It is the best thing online.
Speaker 1: The way these black folks were talking to them dogs
Speaker 1: like they birth them. I just want to say, let's
Speaker 1: not forget about people's fur babies. Because people are without
Speaker 1: dog food, cat food.
Speaker 3: Some people lost their for babies.
Speaker 1: And I know that human life is the most important thing,
Speaker 1: but I am my heart goes out to people who
Speaker 1: are struggling with their horses, their animals. I don't want
Speaker 1: to see animals burned in a fire or just left stranded.
Speaker 1: So if you would be willing to consider donating, if
Speaker 1: you know people with pets sending them whatever you can
Speaker 1: to make sure they're for babies, are okay.
Speaker 5: Well, my quick call to action is, folks, we have
Speaker 5: given you grace. We are now at week two January,
Speaker 5: the new year, and I know all of us would
Speaker 5: love to bury our heads for a little bit longer,
Speaker 5: at least past inauguration. But once we get past inauguration,
Speaker 5: I want to just re extend an invitation to come
Speaker 5: back home. We need you in this fight. We need
Speaker 5: you in the know. We want to be one of
Speaker 5: the resources that helps to keep you informed, engaged, and
Speaker 5: active and also, you know what, a little humored along
Speaker 5: the way. So we've had our break and now it's
Speaker 5: back to the real world, back to the grind. We
Speaker 5: can sleep in shifts, but the work has to be done.
Speaker 5: So I want to welcome you back home here to
Speaker 5: native lampod pick back up listening. Right after we get
Speaker 5: this dunstant office, we'll get back to doing the real work.
Speaker 8: I am going to cheat slightly. I have too.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to say thank you to Nick, our producer,
Speaker 4: for sharing his story with what happened, happened to him
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Speaker 8: So far, since Sunday.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that discussion on Monday.
Speaker 3: All right, this was a good show, guy.
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