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Speaker 3: Its very difficult to keep the line between the past

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Speaker 4: You believe that someone out of the past can enter

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Next Picture Show, a Movie the

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Speaker 2: Week podcast of a classic film and the way it

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Speaker 2: shaped our thoughts on a recent release. I'm Keith Phipps

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Speaker 2: here again. With Tasha Robinson, our regular co host Genevieve

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Speaker 2: Koski and Scott Tobias are off taking out dangerous targets

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Speaker 2: for the New Republic. But in their stead we're joined

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Speaker 2: taking down battle droids, Right Matt.

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Speaker 4: Do I Okay, yes, yes, I've defeated many a battle

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Speaker 2: All right. So in our last episode we discussed Shogun Assassin,

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Speaker 2: this episode, we're bringing in the Mandalorian and Grogu, a

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Speaker 3: This isn't about revenge. It's about preventing another war.

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Speaker 3: the Mandoin Grogo Show. I'm curious, Matt, why you didn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like I need like the five thousand word

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Speaker 3: Where are your snake like abs? No, it's as far

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Speaker 4: this kind of blank protagonist.

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Speaker 2: It's like you kind of had to bring the character

434
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Speaker 2: development from the series in your mind into this movie, right,

435
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think a movie's make you

436
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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 3: I've got an answer for you on that one, Matt

438
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Speaker 3: that mights me interesting, but I think.

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Speaker 4: Having abs we can't see.

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Speaker 3: Yes, oh yes, it's abbs all the way down. He

441
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Speaker 3: actually did does have one hundred abs under there. That's

442
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Speaker 3: that's why he never takes off the armor. It would

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Speaker 3: All right, well that was built up? I like, how

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Speaker 3: can I make this incendiary? I was just gonna say,

480
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Speaker 3: you know, I've got a point of comparison for you here, Matt,

481
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Speaker 3: but we're we're gonna make it incendiary.

482
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Speaker 4: Matt, you fool.

483
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Speaker 3: How could you possibly have not seen.

484
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Speaker 4: The point of.

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Speaker 3: Comparison here for me is you have a hero that

486
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Speaker 3: is is kind of a good man at heart, but

487
00:25:47,085 --> 00:25:52,205
Speaker 3: has a bunch of associations like that are important to him,

488
00:25:52,245 --> 00:25:54,845
Speaker 3: like in his own mind, in his own mind, he

489
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Speaker 3: can't be a rebel or whatever it is they're calling

490
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Speaker 3: them these days, what are they now, the revolution public?

491
00:26:03,005 --> 00:26:05,565
Speaker 4: Would he be a new Republican? I guess I don't know.

492
00:26:05,685 --> 00:26:09,525
Speaker 3: Republicans. Yeah, he can't be one of those, because he's

493
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Speaker 3: a Mandalorian, and you know, he cares very very much

494
00:26:12,525 --> 00:26:15,205
Speaker 3: about his creed and who he really belongs to, so

495
00:26:15,245 --> 00:26:18,645
Speaker 3: he has to be he has to maintain this veneer

496
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Speaker 3: that he's an outsider, that he's not part of the collection,

497
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Speaker 3: and he's only doing exactly what he wants to when

498
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Speaker 3: he wants to. But at the same time, he's a

499
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Speaker 3: good guy at heart, and you know, finds himself signing

500
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Speaker 3: on with them over and over, like to fight the

501
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Speaker 3: bad guys. And you know who that is. That's Han Solo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I actually just read James fa Corey, the pseudonym of

504
00:26:43,605 --> 00:26:45,805
Speaker 3: the two guys who wrote all of the Expanse books,

505
00:26:45,845 --> 00:26:49,165
Speaker 3: and a new science fiction series that I'm reading right now.

506
00:26:49,205 --> 00:26:52,485
Speaker 3: Called Captives War that I absolutely love. I think it's

507
00:26:52,805 --> 00:26:56,285
Speaker 3: a really, really fascinating take on space opera. They wrote

508
00:26:56,285 --> 00:26:59,165
Speaker 3: a single Star Wars book which I just read because

509
00:26:59,165 --> 00:27:01,165
Speaker 3: I was kind of curious about it, and it's all

510
00:27:01,205 --> 00:27:03,805
Speaker 3: from Han Solo's point of view, and it constantly is

511
00:27:03,885 --> 00:27:07,525
Speaker 3: kind of hammering on exactly the thing you're talking about here, Matt,

512
00:27:08,005 --> 00:27:12,645
Speaker 3: in terms of it takes place immediately after the first movie,

513
00:27:13,325 --> 00:27:16,965
Speaker 3: so you know, Han Solo has not really come to

514
00:27:17,045 --> 00:27:20,525
Speaker 3: terms with working with or for the rebels. He's doing

515
00:27:20,565 --> 00:27:23,965
Speaker 3: the like, I'm only doing this for the money, your worshipfulness,

516
00:27:24,005 --> 00:27:27,605
Speaker 3: your Highness, and is kind of trying to downplay the

517
00:27:27,605 --> 00:27:31,005
Speaker 3: fact that he kind of has feelings for Lea, and

518
00:27:31,005 --> 00:27:33,445
Speaker 3: then he keeps kind of wanting to do the right thing,

519
00:27:33,725 --> 00:27:35,605
Speaker 3: but it's very important to him did he be free,

520
00:27:35,765 --> 00:27:37,845
Speaker 3: that he be a smuggler and a criminal and on

521
00:27:37,845 --> 00:27:40,885
Speaker 3: the wrong side of the law, and it just leaks

522
00:27:40,925 --> 00:27:45,685
Speaker 3: into everything he does, the conflict between between that and

523
00:27:46,285 --> 00:27:49,845
Speaker 3: his just kind of innate being a good guy who

524
00:27:49,925 --> 00:27:54,885
Speaker 3: hates like evil. So I see that here in dinn

525
00:27:54,965 --> 00:27:56,205
Speaker 3: and I kind of like it.

526
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Speaker 4: That's a great comparison. I guess the issue is that

527
00:28:00,245 --> 00:28:03,525
Speaker 4: in Star Wars. You have these other characters like Luke

528
00:28:03,565 --> 00:28:06,365
Speaker 4: and Lea who have you know, he serves as a

529
00:28:06,445 --> 00:28:10,125
Speaker 4: counterpoint to them, you know, it's not just him as

530
00:28:10,205 --> 00:28:11,645
Speaker 4: being the guy who doesn't want to do it. Here

531
00:28:11,685 --> 00:28:14,005
Speaker 4: we don't have those other you know, points of view,

532
00:28:14,005 --> 00:28:15,885
Speaker 4: at least not through a lot of the movie, you know,

533
00:28:15,965 --> 00:28:18,885
Speaker 4: So Gourney Weaver is barely in this She, I guess,

534
00:28:18,925 --> 00:28:22,205
Speaker 4: would be kind of the true believer, so to speak.

535
00:28:22,525 --> 00:28:26,205
Speaker 4: So I think it's a great comparison, and you're absolutely right.

536
00:28:26,725 --> 00:28:28,525
Speaker 4: So then the question in my mind goes, well, how

537
00:28:28,525 --> 00:28:30,685
Speaker 4: come I like Han Solo? And how come I in

538
00:28:30,725 --> 00:28:32,925
Speaker 4: this movie? At least I wasn't that compelled by the

539
00:28:32,925 --> 00:28:35,525
Speaker 4: man to learn. Maybe it's just as simple as you know,

540
00:28:35,685 --> 00:28:38,885
Speaker 4: like it's a guy in a helmet and we just can't,

541
00:28:39,005 --> 00:28:41,765
Speaker 4: you know, like he keeps us at arm's length, whereas

542
00:28:41,845 --> 00:28:45,645
Speaker 4: Han Solo. It just feels a little more alive for me.

543
00:28:45,845 --> 00:28:48,165
Speaker 4: You know that I can see his face and or

544
00:28:48,205 --> 00:28:51,405
Speaker 4: his abs at all times, and I know I have

545
00:28:51,445 --> 00:28:53,045
Speaker 4: a better I guess I feel like I have a

546
00:28:53,085 --> 00:28:55,725
Speaker 4: better handle on him, you know what I mean. Maybe

547
00:28:55,725 --> 00:28:57,965
Speaker 4: that's what it is. Maybe it is the fact that

548
00:28:58,045 --> 00:29:01,205
Speaker 4: he plays off of characters like Luke and Leamore. I

549
00:29:01,245 --> 00:29:05,005
Speaker 4: don't know, but it's a great comparison, and you're absolutely right,

550
00:29:05,085 --> 00:29:07,285
Speaker 4: and my mind was blown like it, just like Keith

551
00:29:07,325 --> 00:29:09,605
Speaker 4: promised I would be by your incendiary tape.

552
00:29:10,485 --> 00:29:14,325
Speaker 3: Sorry for the incendiary way of phrasing it by calling

553
00:29:14,365 --> 00:29:17,885
Speaker 3: you a fool. I think those are all really good reasons.

554
00:29:18,005 --> 00:29:20,925
Speaker 3: I think almost never letting him take the helmet all

555
00:29:22,005 --> 00:29:24,965
Speaker 3: makes it hard to identify with him as anything except

556
00:29:25,245 --> 00:29:28,365
Speaker 3: an icon, like a figure rather than a person. And

557
00:29:28,405 --> 00:29:31,765
Speaker 3: while Hanslo has become an icon, anytime you go back

558
00:29:31,765 --> 00:29:35,525
Speaker 3: and rewatch that first trilogy, you're struck by how human

559
00:29:35,605 --> 00:29:38,605
Speaker 3: he is. He screws up all the time. He makes

560
00:29:38,725 --> 00:29:43,805
Speaker 3: dumb mistakes, he makes verbal bobbles, He embarrasses himself and

561
00:29:43,845 --> 00:29:46,925
Speaker 3: then you know, shoots kamlinks in order to cover it up.

562
00:29:47,525 --> 00:29:50,925
Speaker 3: He flinches at what a goober he is. He fails

563
00:29:51,045 --> 00:29:56,845
Speaker 3: to like banter successfully with Leah, even like he's kind

564
00:29:56,885 --> 00:30:00,125
Speaker 3: of a dork in a lot of ways, he's very human,

565
00:30:00,565 --> 00:30:03,445
Speaker 3: and Dinn is just kind of not allowed to be.

566
00:30:03,605 --> 00:30:07,965
Speaker 3: He's this kind of implacable figure, and this movie just

567
00:30:08,005 --> 00:30:10,845
Speaker 3: spends so much time on him fighting and winning and

568
00:30:10,885 --> 00:30:14,925
Speaker 3: fighting and winning and Darth Vader style walking through a

569
00:30:14,965 --> 00:30:18,405
Speaker 3: crowd of twenty people and killing them all. Now, there

570
00:30:18,485 --> 00:30:20,565
Speaker 3: is a very good point of comparison there that is

571
00:30:20,605 --> 00:30:24,125
Speaker 3: completely the outside of Star Wars involving walking.

572
00:30:23,845 --> 00:30:25,685
Speaker 4: Through a crowd of people and killing them all.

573
00:30:25,725 --> 00:30:28,645
Speaker 3: I think we'll get to that very shortly. But I

574
00:30:28,645 --> 00:30:31,725
Speaker 3: think you're also right about him not having somebody else

575
00:30:31,765 --> 00:30:35,965
Speaker 3: to play off of, who isn't a un effectively pretty

576
00:30:36,045 --> 00:30:38,645
Speaker 3: mute puppet like nobody in there to be a foil

577
00:30:38,725 --> 00:30:43,845
Speaker 3: and bring out the contrast. I like this character, but

578
00:30:43,965 --> 00:30:49,045
Speaker 3: I like this character for reasons of internal conflict and

579
00:30:49,445 --> 00:30:53,805
Speaker 3: complication and belief that all came up in the series,

580
00:30:53,965 --> 00:30:55,645
Speaker 3: and that, as Keith said, we kind of have to

581
00:30:55,725 --> 00:30:58,925
Speaker 3: carry into this movie on our own because we're not

582
00:30:58,965 --> 00:31:02,645
Speaker 3: seeing any of it whatsoever. Here. We're just seeing either

583
00:31:02,965 --> 00:31:06,325
Speaker 3: constant pursuit of you know, the latest McGuff and the

584
00:31:06,405 --> 00:31:10,205
Speaker 3: latest goal, the latest object of desire, or just a

585
00:31:10,245 --> 00:31:13,485
Speaker 3: baseline fight to survive. That said, some of the baseline

586
00:31:13,485 --> 00:31:15,845
Speaker 3: fight to survive stuff is pretty cool. I liked the

587
00:31:15,885 --> 00:31:17,285
Speaker 3: whole battle with the Dragon Snake.

588
00:31:17,445 --> 00:31:20,165
Speaker 2: I the opening sequence too. I think that was really strong.

589
00:31:20,365 --> 00:31:22,445
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm very negative on a movie that

590
00:31:22,605 --> 00:31:25,525
Speaker 4: I really didn't hate, and honestly like watching it. I

591
00:31:25,565 --> 00:31:27,925
Speaker 4: had a pleasant time, and I think one of the

592
00:31:27,965 --> 00:31:29,565
Speaker 4: things that I did like about it that I haven't

593
00:31:29,605 --> 00:31:31,525
Speaker 4: said at all was they showed it to us here

594
00:31:31,565 --> 00:31:35,085
Speaker 4: in New York in the actual IMAX screen we have

595
00:31:35,245 --> 00:31:38,525
Speaker 4: here in New York City, and the imax of it

596
00:31:38,525 --> 00:31:42,645
Speaker 4: all actually, sorry, the imax of it all was actually

597
00:31:42,965 --> 00:31:46,725
Speaker 4: really good. And like seeing things like an atat Walker

598
00:31:46,845 --> 00:31:51,165
Speaker 4: in Imax where those huge legs fill up the you know,

599
00:31:51,205 --> 00:31:54,285
Speaker 4: it's almost like a device built for an Imax aspect

600
00:31:54,365 --> 00:31:57,365
Speaker 4: ratio was super cool. And there are a couple of

601
00:31:57,405 --> 00:32:01,725
Speaker 4: dogfights in this movie that in true imax where it's

602
00:32:01,725 --> 00:32:04,445
Speaker 4: filling the whole screen and filling your field of vision,

603
00:32:05,005 --> 00:32:10,485
Speaker 4: is actually kind of disorienting in a pleasant, fun, visceral way.

604
00:32:11,005 --> 00:32:14,325
Speaker 4: And those sequences I thought worked very well too. So

605
00:32:15,045 --> 00:32:19,005
Speaker 4: there are individual moments that are cool, and I think

606
00:32:19,085 --> 00:32:23,005
Speaker 4: generally like the overall design of the movie, the locations,

607
00:32:23,085 --> 00:32:28,165
Speaker 4: the creatures, the puppetry. We haven't talked a lot about Grogu. Yeah,

608
00:32:28,805 --> 00:32:31,205
Speaker 4: Grogu is great. I know some people hate Grogu. Someone

609
00:32:31,245 --> 00:32:33,885
Speaker 4: sent me an article recently, like in the Last Air

610
00:32:33,925 --> 00:32:38,005
Speaker 4: or two saying, like kill Grogu, they hate Grogu. I

611
00:32:38,125 --> 00:32:42,045
Speaker 4: like Grogu. I loved watching my daughter watch Grogu and

612
00:32:42,205 --> 00:32:45,445
Speaker 4: just be tickled by him, all of his little mischief

613
00:32:45,485 --> 00:32:48,605
Speaker 4: and eating. You know, he loves to eat things. Kids

614
00:32:48,685 --> 00:32:52,565
Speaker 4: love characters who eat constantly. They love that he's kind of,

615
00:32:52,645 --> 00:32:57,725
Speaker 4: you know, rambunctious and doesn't listen, and he's adorable. And again,

616
00:32:57,765 --> 00:33:00,925
Speaker 4: there is that sequence in the middle of this movie

617
00:33:00,965 --> 00:33:05,085
Speaker 4: where he takes center stage, which you know, we've it's

618
00:33:05,125 --> 00:33:08,925
Speaker 4: like the whole movie pauses for like a really cool

619
00:33:09,605 --> 00:33:13,645
Speaker 4: short film about this puppet. And I was just very

620
00:33:13,765 --> 00:33:16,085
Speaker 4: tickled by the idea that I was watching in this

621
00:33:16,205 --> 00:33:18,605
Speaker 4: like one hundred and fifty million dollar whatever it is

622
00:33:18,685 --> 00:33:22,285
Speaker 4: movie that I'm now watching like a silent film about

623
00:33:22,325 --> 00:33:26,445
Speaker 4: a puppet. I thought was actually really kind of refreshing

624
00:33:26,485 --> 00:33:29,765
Speaker 4: and fun. And it brought the aspect of what am

625
00:33:29,765 --> 00:33:31,645
Speaker 4: I getting from this movie that I don't get from

626
00:33:31,725 --> 00:33:33,725
Speaker 4: the TV show. That was one of the few times

627
00:33:33,765 --> 00:33:35,565
Speaker 4: where I felt like, Okay, they didn't do this on

628
00:33:35,685 --> 00:33:39,085
Speaker 4: the show, and this is giving me some juice. This

629
00:33:39,125 --> 00:33:41,485
Speaker 4: has given me something that I can't get if I

630
00:33:41,605 --> 00:33:43,965
Speaker 4: just go back home and turn on the show that

631
00:33:43,965 --> 00:33:47,685
Speaker 4: I've already watched on Disney Plus. So I really really

632
00:33:47,725 --> 00:33:50,325
Speaker 4: did enjoy that sequence, and I did like some of

633
00:33:50,365 --> 00:33:53,885
Speaker 4: the other isolated sequences. It just like, I can't go

634
00:33:53,925 --> 00:33:56,565
Speaker 4: any further than saying it's okay because of all these

635
00:33:56,605 --> 00:33:59,565
Speaker 4: reasons that we've talked about kind of boring villains and

636
00:33:59,645 --> 00:34:03,725
Speaker 4: kind of a distant hero. It's like, there are elements

637
00:34:03,725 --> 00:34:07,765
Speaker 4: in here that really work. And I didn't sit there

638
00:34:08,364 --> 00:34:12,645
Speaker 4: harumphing in my seat the whole time. And my daughter

639
00:34:12,805 --> 00:34:14,844
Speaker 4: had a great time, and so I was happy that

640
00:34:15,285 --> 00:34:18,285
Speaker 4: she enjoyed herself. It's the kind of movie where you go,

641
00:34:18,445 --> 00:34:20,924
Speaker 4: I was all right, why wasn't it better? You know,

642
00:34:21,125 --> 00:34:23,605
Speaker 4: It's like, it's not bad. I didn't want you know.

643
00:34:23,645 --> 00:34:25,884
Speaker 4: It's like when I walked out of the Rise of Skywalker,

644
00:34:26,285 --> 00:34:29,285
Speaker 4: I was like, I was like, I was upset, I

645
00:34:29,325 --> 00:34:32,045
Speaker 4: was I was angry. I was like, that was bad.

646
00:34:32,205 --> 00:34:33,325
Speaker 2: That was not good.

647
00:34:33,845 --> 00:34:36,884
Speaker 4: That was that we wasted all that time, all those

648
00:34:36,925 --> 00:34:40,085
Speaker 4: previous movies for that. That was, you know, And I

649
00:34:40,125 --> 00:34:42,645
Speaker 4: didn't have that feeling walking out of this movie. I

650
00:34:42,765 --> 00:34:46,685
Speaker 4: was more like, that was okay, but shouldn't it have

651
00:34:46,805 --> 00:34:49,885
Speaker 4: been better? I guess, you know, which is in some ways.

652
00:34:49,885 --> 00:34:52,845
Speaker 4: It's almost more annoying in a way, I suppose, But

653
00:34:53,325 --> 00:34:56,045
Speaker 4: you know, it's like a classic six out of ten,

654
00:34:56,525 --> 00:34:58,364
Speaker 4: you know, or five and a half out of ten.

655
00:34:58,485 --> 00:35:01,884
Speaker 4: It's like it's just kind of like okay, but it's

656
00:35:01,925 --> 00:35:03,885
Speaker 4: not quite all the way there. You and you do

657
00:35:04,005 --> 00:35:06,365
Speaker 4: kind of sit there going it's it's close, but no

658
00:35:06,485 --> 00:35:08,885
Speaker 4: cigar or lightsaber or something.

659
00:35:09,325 --> 00:35:11,924
Speaker 3: I want to know if we're are we just being

660
00:35:12,005 --> 00:35:17,845
Speaker 3: curmudgeons and like Star Wars, they've gotta throw Star Wars

661
00:35:17,885 --> 00:35:20,245
Speaker 3: in the same way, they're just giving us like more

662
00:35:20,285 --> 00:35:23,405
Speaker 3: and more Star Trek for kids, Star Wars for kids,

663
00:35:23,445 --> 00:35:25,605
Speaker 3: Like they're trying to make the next generation of fans

664
00:35:26,005 --> 00:35:28,805
Speaker 3: and ensure that the franchise doesn't die out. If your

665
00:35:28,885 --> 00:35:31,765
Speaker 3: daughter had a blast with this, I want to say, like,

666
00:35:31,885 --> 00:35:36,445
Speaker 3: maybe this is a movie for kids, and we're grumbling

667
00:35:36,605 --> 00:35:39,685
Speaker 3: because it doesn't feel to us like Star Wars felt

668
00:35:39,725 --> 00:35:43,404
Speaker 3: when we were kids. At the same time, what did

669
00:35:43,445 --> 00:35:45,365
Speaker 3: your how old is your daughter?

670
00:35:45,645 --> 00:35:47,285
Speaker 4: I have two daughters, but the one that came with

671
00:35:47,325 --> 00:35:48,885
Speaker 4: me was eight was eight.

672
00:35:48,965 --> 00:35:52,085
Speaker 3: Yeah, how how does an eight year old relate to

673
00:35:54,285 --> 00:35:58,125
Speaker 3: I'm trapped in a relationship with people who want me

674
00:35:58,285 --> 00:36:02,405
Speaker 3: to be a crime Lord, and I've got complicated emotional

675
00:36:02,445 --> 00:36:06,325
Speaker 3: feelings about like the gladatorial combat that actually gives me

676
00:36:06,405 --> 00:36:09,965
Speaker 3: a feeling of well manhood even though I'm not a man.

677
00:36:10,725 --> 00:36:13,565
Speaker 3: But you know, you're trying to like force me out

678
00:36:13,645 --> 00:36:18,525
Speaker 3: of that position for complicated reasons relating to your abstract creed.

679
00:36:19,125 --> 00:36:22,245
Speaker 3: Like all of that to me does not say children's movies.

680
00:36:22,365 --> 00:36:25,005
Speaker 4: Yes, And I'm glad you asked that, because it's something

681
00:36:25,085 --> 00:36:29,645
Speaker 4: I thought about afterwards, because yeah, she generally enjoyed the movie.

682
00:36:29,725 --> 00:36:33,445
Speaker 4: She had a good time. She loved everything involving Grogu

683
00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:36,405
Speaker 4: and baby Yoda. And I did think about. You know,

684
00:36:36,485 --> 00:36:41,725
Speaker 4: George Lucas's defense always when he made the prequels especially

685
00:36:41,965 --> 00:36:45,245
Speaker 4: was an even return of the Jedi was adult. Older

686
00:36:45,245 --> 00:36:47,805
Speaker 4: Star Wars fans would say, you know, like what happened

687
00:36:47,805 --> 00:36:50,205
Speaker 4: to the Star Wars? I like, this isn't Star Wars.

688
00:36:50,445 --> 00:36:52,565
Speaker 4: What's with all this jute stuff for kids? You know,

689
00:36:52,685 --> 00:36:55,685
Speaker 4: like we're good? They were very upset, and he would

690
00:36:55,725 --> 00:36:58,365
Speaker 4: always say, I make these movies for kids. These are

691
00:36:58,445 --> 00:37:00,805
Speaker 4: kids movies. You know, the Ewoks were in there because

692
00:37:00,845 --> 00:37:04,325
Speaker 4: these are kids movies, and Jar Jar and on and on,

693
00:37:04,405 --> 00:37:07,364
Speaker 4: these are movies for kids, and so you can think

694
00:37:07,405 --> 00:37:10,965
Speaker 4: about that with a character like baby Yoda. But then

695
00:37:11,045 --> 00:37:15,565
Speaker 4: I was thinking about this movie, and while Baby Yoda

696
00:37:15,725 --> 00:37:18,085
Speaker 4: is cute and he's a part of the movie, the

697
00:37:18,125 --> 00:37:21,765
Speaker 4: main character is so much the Mandalorian, the dad. And

698
00:37:21,805 --> 00:37:23,725
Speaker 4: then I thought, so much of this movie is made

699
00:37:23,845 --> 00:37:28,364
Speaker 4: for dads. The dad issues with Rada, the Hut and

700
00:37:28,565 --> 00:37:31,605
Speaker 4: all of the callbacks too, Jaba, the Hut and the

701
00:37:31,725 --> 00:37:36,365
Speaker 4: practical effects, which are so much about kind of appealing

702
00:37:36,405 --> 00:37:40,205
Speaker 4: to an older audience like me that remembers seeing the

703
00:37:40,285 --> 00:37:43,485
Speaker 4: old movies when they had more puppets and complains, Oh,

704
00:37:43,525 --> 00:37:46,125
Speaker 4: it was better when they had ractical effects. Now they're

705
00:37:46,125 --> 00:37:48,285
Speaker 4: too much green screen, and I don't like all the

706
00:37:48,325 --> 00:37:51,364
Speaker 4: digital stuff. And I don't know why old people when

707
00:37:51,405 --> 00:37:54,005
Speaker 4: I start talking like that, suddenly have Italian accents. But

708
00:37:54,205 --> 00:37:55,884
Speaker 4: I don't know, It's just I'm hanging out and I'm

709
00:37:55,885 --> 00:37:58,844
Speaker 4: hanging out in Brooklyn too much. I don't understand. But

710
00:37:59,005 --> 00:38:02,445
Speaker 4: I think that that is what you're talking about. Is

711
00:38:02,525 --> 00:38:05,884
Speaker 4: kind of almost part of the issue with the concept here,

712
00:38:05,965 --> 00:38:07,765
Speaker 4: is that if they did want to make a movie

713
00:38:07,805 --> 00:38:12,805
Speaker 4: for children, yeah, making like Rada kind of the focal

714
00:38:12,845 --> 00:38:17,085
Speaker 4: point of the character arc and having him be the

715
00:38:17,405 --> 00:38:19,725
Speaker 4: you know, so much of the story about him was

716
00:38:19,765 --> 00:38:22,685
Speaker 4: a mistake because, you know, like to answer your question directly,

717
00:38:22,845 --> 00:38:26,165
Speaker 4: she was totally confused by that character. She turned to

718
00:38:26,205 --> 00:38:27,725
Speaker 4: me at one point and was like, is that job

719
00:38:27,765 --> 00:38:31,285
Speaker 4: of the Hut? And I had to be like, like, afterwards,

720
00:38:31,325 --> 00:38:34,445
Speaker 4: we talked about it, and she we were both honestly

721
00:38:34,525 --> 00:38:37,565
Speaker 4: kind of confused about the twins. She, you know, like,

722
00:38:37,725 --> 00:38:40,445
Speaker 4: are they Jabas cousins? Are they Jaba's siblings?

723
00:38:41,165 --> 00:38:44,445
Speaker 2: I thought was not siblings, but I don't maybe I

724
00:38:45,005 --> 00:38:49,325
Speaker 2: thought with that and it's probably explained there, but I.

725
00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:52,605
Speaker 4: Mean, yeah, so like she was unclear about we were

726
00:38:52,645 --> 00:38:57,245
Speaker 4: both unclear about them, and who is Jaba? Where is Jaba?

727
00:38:57,285 --> 00:38:59,245
Speaker 4: They talk a lot about this character who's not in

728
00:38:59,245 --> 00:39:01,125
Speaker 4: the movie, so you just have to know who he is,

729
00:39:02,245 --> 00:39:05,525
Speaker 4: which is maybe a funny face, very very dead right,

730
00:39:05,565 --> 00:39:07,725
Speaker 4: But again, if they're making this movie for someone who

731
00:39:07,725 --> 00:39:10,165
Speaker 4: doesn't know anything about the Mandalorian, they're assuming that you

732
00:39:10,245 --> 00:39:13,404
Speaker 4: know something about Joba the Hut, which maybe people do,

733
00:39:13,485 --> 00:39:16,045
Speaker 4: but my daughter I had to kind of remind her

734
00:39:16,125 --> 00:39:18,565
Speaker 4: she's seen Return of the Jedi. But yeah, a lot

735
00:39:18,565 --> 00:39:20,965
Speaker 4: of it was just she didn't really care about it.

736
00:39:21,125 --> 00:39:23,885
Speaker 4: She was generally confused about it. She just liked when

737
00:39:23,965 --> 00:39:26,125
Speaker 4: Baby Yoda ate things, you know what I mean. Like

738
00:39:26,165 --> 00:39:28,045
Speaker 4: that was that was the part of the movie that

739
00:39:28,085 --> 00:39:30,605
Speaker 4: she really responded to. And the stuff with Rada with

740
00:39:30,645 --> 00:39:33,005
Speaker 4: the gladiators was the part that she liked the least

741
00:39:33,005 --> 00:39:35,485
Speaker 4: because it was scary. She actually kind of got a

742
00:39:35,485 --> 00:39:38,445
Speaker 4: little freaked out by the violence in that very long

743
00:39:38,445 --> 00:39:42,364
Speaker 4: gladiator scene, and she was very happy when that part

744
00:39:42,405 --> 00:39:43,205
Speaker 4: of the movie was over.

745
00:39:43,325 --> 00:39:46,085
Speaker 2: In fact, and anyone having to watch Shogun Assassin, right.

746
00:39:46,365 --> 00:39:48,685
Speaker 4: Yes, then we watch Shogun Assassin, and then I had

747
00:39:49,205 --> 00:39:51,525
Speaker 4: as punishment because she got a little scared. I'm like,

748
00:39:51,565 --> 00:39:53,805
Speaker 4: I need to toughen you up. We're on the demon

749
00:39:53,925 --> 00:39:57,645
Speaker 4: road to hell here, Eloise. Sorry, you're gonna have to

750
00:39:57,685 --> 00:40:02,005
Speaker 4: watch Shogun Assassin and Lone Wolf and cub sort of vengeance,

751
00:40:02,005 --> 00:40:04,165
Speaker 4: because you need to understand that originally this was a

752
00:40:04,245 --> 00:40:06,525
Speaker 4: Japanese film and then they made this bastardized version. You

753
00:40:06,525 --> 00:40:08,205
Speaker 4: have to understand all of it. It's very important.

754
00:40:08,285 --> 00:40:11,765
Speaker 2: It feels like we're inching our way toward talking about

755
00:40:11,805 --> 00:40:13,404
Speaker 2: Shogun Assassin again, entering our.

756
00:40:13,365 --> 00:40:16,565
Speaker 3: Way forward on our giant ab covered sluglike bellies.

757
00:40:16,845 --> 00:40:18,844
Speaker 4: Let me wake her up, I know, she's asleep, it's

758
00:40:18,925 --> 00:40:20,205
Speaker 4: late at night, but I should wake her up so

759
00:40:20,205 --> 00:40:21,805
Speaker 4: she can contribute. I'm sure she has a lot to

760
00:40:21,845 --> 00:40:22,765
Speaker 4: say here about this.

761
00:40:23,725 --> 00:40:26,365
Speaker 2: Well. I think we should probably take a quick break

762
00:40:26,405 --> 00:40:29,685
Speaker 2: here and come back and talk about connections between the

763
00:40:29,725 --> 00:40:34,085
Speaker 2: Mandalorian and Grogu and Shogun Assassin. We'll be right back.

764
00:40:40,125 --> 00:40:41,685
Speaker 1: Don't touch the missile battery switch.

765
00:40:41,925 --> 00:40:43,565
Speaker 4: That's why there's a safety guard on it.

766
00:40:43,765 --> 00:40:45,125
Speaker 1: Do you see the fuel readout display?

767
00:40:45,925 --> 00:40:47,245
Speaker 4: Remember I showed you that one.

768
00:40:47,645 --> 00:40:51,125
Speaker 2: It's on the other side of the manual control surface calibrations.

769
00:40:53,725 --> 00:40:55,645
Speaker 4: I don't think he knows what he's doing, all right.

770
00:40:55,685 --> 00:40:57,525
Speaker 2: So now it's signed for connections when we bring these

771
00:40:57,565 --> 00:40:59,565
Speaker 2: two films together and talk about all the things they

772
00:40:59,605 --> 00:41:02,005
Speaker 2: have in common, and they have quite a lot in common.

773
00:41:02,045 --> 00:41:04,445
Speaker 2: I'm just going to start with with fathers and sons

774
00:41:04,485 --> 00:41:06,885
Speaker 2: in danger. I mean, you know, there's there's image of

775
00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:11,205
Speaker 2: lone Wolf and Cub traveling the countryside of Japan, and

776
00:41:11,845 --> 00:41:17,045
Speaker 2: it matches up pretty easily with the Mandalorian Grogu traveling

777
00:41:17,085 --> 00:41:17,565
Speaker 2: the galaxy.

778
00:41:17,605 --> 00:41:22,045
Speaker 3: Doesn't it almost too well? In that both of the

779
00:41:22,165 --> 00:41:25,085
Speaker 3: dads here have a humongous body count. I mean, they

780
00:41:25,485 --> 00:41:28,125
Speaker 3: think nothing of just like leaving piles and piles and

781
00:41:28,165 --> 00:41:32,045
Speaker 3: piles of corpses behind them to the point where the

782
00:41:32,205 --> 00:41:37,445
Speaker 3: kids with them are utterly inured to death. And you know,

783
00:41:37,285 --> 00:41:41,525
Speaker 3: you get to see both that Goro and Grogu, you know,

784
00:41:41,645 --> 00:41:45,404
Speaker 3: kill somebody without thinking there's anything unusual about it. And

785
00:41:45,565 --> 00:41:48,205
Speaker 3: in both cases I kind of had a little how

786
00:41:48,245 --> 00:41:51,005
Speaker 3: do we feel about a child killing people?

787
00:41:51,245 --> 00:41:51,444
Speaker 4: Now?

788
00:41:51,485 --> 00:41:56,205
Speaker 3: In both cases it's a survival mechanism, maybe with Grogu

789
00:41:56,285 --> 00:41:59,645
Speaker 3: a little less so since then, you know, put him

790
00:41:59,765 --> 00:42:02,605
Speaker 3: in this situation and keeps putting him in these situations

791
00:42:02,645 --> 00:42:06,885
Speaker 3: through his mercenary work. Then you know, Lone Wolf doesn't

792
00:42:06,885 --> 00:42:09,925
Speaker 3: really have as much choice. Like the shogun is coming

793
00:42:09,965 --> 00:42:13,325
Speaker 3: after him, He's got a choice of bringing his son

794
00:42:13,405 --> 00:42:15,725
Speaker 3: along with him and bringing him into these life or

795
00:42:15,725 --> 00:42:19,885
Speaker 3: death situations or giving him a merciful death, which the

796
00:42:20,245 --> 00:42:24,885
Speaker 3: child chose to not go that route, with choosing the

797
00:42:24,885 --> 00:42:27,765
Speaker 3: sword instead of the ball. But in both cases there's

798
00:42:27,845 --> 00:42:29,805
Speaker 3: just sort of a sense of, you know, we are

799
00:42:29,885 --> 00:42:33,045
Speaker 3: constantly surrounded by clouds of people who are trying to

800
00:42:33,125 --> 00:42:35,965
Speaker 3: kill us, and I'm going to solve this problem by

801
00:42:36,085 --> 00:42:41,685
Speaker 3: killing clouds of people. It's just a very like death

802
00:42:41,925 --> 00:42:44,725
Speaker 3: normalizing life for both of these children.

803
00:42:44,685 --> 00:42:46,765
Speaker 4: Grogu though I don't know what the exact age, but

804
00:42:46,845 --> 00:42:50,725
Speaker 4: isn't he supposed to be like fifty sixty something years Yeah,

805
00:42:50,845 --> 00:42:51,285
Speaker 4: he's like.

806
00:42:51,365 --> 00:42:55,484
Speaker 3: Is, although it consistently weirds me out therefore that they're

807
00:42:56,085 --> 00:42:58,845
Speaker 3: overdubbing him with infant.

808
00:42:58,485 --> 00:43:00,885
Speaker 4: Noises kind of stuff.

809
00:43:01,645 --> 00:43:06,365
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly like little little berbals and cools.

810
00:43:06,605 --> 00:43:08,645
Speaker 4: Yes, there's a there's a disconnect there.

811
00:43:09,045 --> 00:43:13,285
Speaker 2: I guess the long maturing process for whatever.

812
00:43:13,805 --> 00:43:14,404
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it.

813
00:43:14,445 --> 00:43:18,085
Speaker 3: Leaves me pretty uncertain, especially as they're like slowly trying

814
00:43:18,125 --> 00:43:20,605
Speaker 3: to like move him forward in time. There's a lot

815
00:43:20,645 --> 00:43:22,965
Speaker 3: of theory rising about whether he might actually speak for

816
00:43:23,005 --> 00:43:25,605
Speaker 3: the first time in this movie. You know, he's making

817
00:43:25,685 --> 00:43:31,485
Speaker 3: more mature decisions. But the disconnect between like I am

818
00:43:31,605 --> 00:43:35,365
Speaker 3: capable of taking care of my wounded father for days

819
00:43:35,485 --> 00:43:38,925
Speaker 3: on my own in a forest, and I eat anything

820
00:43:38,965 --> 00:43:43,965
Speaker 3: that comes into contact with me, and I cannot stop

821
00:43:44,125 --> 00:43:49,325
Speaker 3: pressing shiny buttons, but also cannot be taught or educated

822
00:43:49,365 --> 00:43:52,005
Speaker 3: into what any of these buttons do. Like, there's just

823
00:43:52,045 --> 00:43:55,525
Speaker 3: sort of a jumping around there in terms of what's

824
00:43:55,565 --> 00:43:58,605
Speaker 3: his mental age, what's he capable of learning, what's his

825
00:43:59,045 --> 00:44:03,645
Speaker 3: intellect level? It's a lot easier I think to see

826
00:44:03,645 --> 00:44:07,444
Speaker 3: with Digoro, you know, because he's human and we all

827
00:44:07,525 --> 00:44:11,364
Speaker 3: have some idea of human development. You know, we can

828
00:44:11,405 --> 00:44:14,485
Speaker 3: look at his age and have at least some idea

829
00:44:15,165 --> 00:44:18,045
Speaker 3: of like what he's capable of, or how he might

830
00:44:18,165 --> 00:44:20,645
Speaker 3: or might not understand what's going on around him.

831
00:44:21,005 --> 00:44:23,725
Speaker 4: Also have that voiceover where he can kind of give

832
00:44:23,805 --> 00:44:27,285
Speaker 4: us a little taste of what he's feeling. And we

833
00:44:27,605 --> 00:44:30,245
Speaker 4: talked about the voiceover in the last episode and how

834
00:44:30,365 --> 00:44:35,005
Speaker 4: in some ways might be might be kind of contradictory

835
00:44:35,765 --> 00:44:39,085
Speaker 4: or poetic, or we could suspect that it's not entirely

836
00:44:39,285 --> 00:44:42,085
Speaker 4: you know, it might call into question what we're seeing,

837
00:44:42,445 --> 00:44:45,645
Speaker 4: but at least it's like a window into his perspective.

838
00:44:45,805 --> 00:44:49,405
Speaker 4: And it did watching I will say, watching Showgun Assassin.

839
00:44:49,485 --> 00:44:51,925
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, you couldn't do Baby Yoda's

840
00:44:51,965 --> 00:44:55,165
Speaker 4: inner monologue because he doesn't seem to speak, but it

841
00:44:55,205 --> 00:44:57,565
Speaker 4: did make me want to kind of see more of

842
00:44:57,605 --> 00:45:00,725
Speaker 4: these events through his perspective, and that that would have

843
00:45:00,805 --> 00:45:05,925
Speaker 4: been interesting if there was some kind of Baby Yoda voiceover,

844
00:45:06,165 --> 00:45:09,685
Speaker 4: Like every day we travel into towns, we travel from

845
00:45:09,685 --> 00:45:13,285
Speaker 4: planet to planet, it doesn't go well for us. Maybe

846
00:45:13,285 --> 00:45:15,085
Speaker 4: that was something that would have been that would have

847
00:45:15,125 --> 00:45:17,125
Speaker 4: added something to this movie. Perhaps.

848
00:45:17,365 --> 00:45:21,685
Speaker 3: I think that there is a degree away which you're

849
00:45:21,845 --> 00:45:24,045
Speaker 3: we're curious and want to see what that would look like.

850
00:45:24,205 --> 00:45:26,845
Speaker 3: But it would be terrible if it were cannon like

851
00:45:26,885 --> 00:45:29,485
Speaker 3: the second we got that, we would not want it anymore,

852
00:45:29,525 --> 00:45:33,685
Speaker 3: because part of what makes that character interesting is kind

853
00:45:33,685 --> 00:45:38,045
Speaker 3: of his his opacity. I remember picking up a Star

854
00:45:38,125 --> 00:45:41,485
Speaker 3: Wars novel. I think it was probably a novelization of

855
00:45:41,925 --> 00:45:45,445
Speaker 3: Revenge of the Sith, and like in a used bookstore

856
00:45:45,965 --> 00:45:49,565
Speaker 3: on vacation, waiting for somebody else who had had more

857
00:45:49,605 --> 00:45:51,925
Speaker 3: to do in that shop, and I was bored, and

858
00:45:51,965 --> 00:45:54,045
Speaker 3: I just picked it up and flipped through it. And

859
00:45:54,205 --> 00:45:58,364
Speaker 3: that particular novelization had a translation for everything R two

860
00:45:58,405 --> 00:46:01,645
Speaker 3: D two was saying, and I like immediately shut in

861
00:46:01,685 --> 00:46:04,005
Speaker 3: and put it back on the shelf. I found it

862
00:46:04,965 --> 00:46:08,765
Speaker 3: just creepy. I guess, like, of course R two D

863
00:46:08,885 --> 00:46:12,325
Speaker 3: two is talking C three po knows exactly what he's

864
00:46:12,325 --> 00:46:15,325
Speaker 3: saying every time he says it, like, yes, there are

865
00:46:15,645 --> 00:46:17,525
Speaker 3: there were words, and there's an intellect there. But it

866
00:46:17,645 --> 00:46:22,964
Speaker 3: just felt wrong, you know, having having our two say, well,

867
00:46:23,005 --> 00:46:25,205
Speaker 3: I agree with you on that, but I can't really

868
00:46:25,245 --> 00:46:27,845
Speaker 3: get through to Master Luke these days, he's not listening

869
00:46:27,925 --> 00:46:30,845
Speaker 3: to what I'm saying. It's just felt so wrong. And

870
00:46:30,885 --> 00:46:34,565
Speaker 3: I would feel the same way about Grogu, saying, you know,

871
00:46:34,765 --> 00:46:37,725
Speaker 3: that was a very disturbing scene when he killed his

872
00:46:37,765 --> 00:46:40,525
Speaker 3: way through all those stormtroopers. What's with the armor? It's

873
00:46:40,565 --> 00:46:44,485
Speaker 3: like it does nothing whatsoever. Why did the Empire even

874
00:46:44,565 --> 00:46:46,685
Speaker 3: bother putting this armor on them in the first place.

875
00:46:47,405 --> 00:46:48,924
Speaker 3: I have a lot of time to think about these

876
00:46:48,965 --> 00:46:51,565
Speaker 3: things as I'm waiting for the opportunity to jump back

877
00:46:51,605 --> 00:46:53,765
Speaker 3: on Dad's back while he's killing a bunch of people.

878
00:46:55,245 --> 00:46:57,884
Speaker 3: I just I think the humor value of it would

879
00:46:57,925 --> 00:47:01,605
Speaker 3: last about two minutes and then it would be too much.

880
00:47:01,765 --> 00:47:05,525
Speaker 4: Maybe you're right, I will say, watching these two films

881
00:47:06,485 --> 00:47:10,885
Speaker 4: together I found quite instructive in the sense of what

882
00:47:11,645 --> 00:47:15,605
Speaker 4: was thinking about again, because having like generally thought mandalarning

883
00:47:15,645 --> 00:47:17,765
Speaker 4: Grogu was okay, but walking out going kind of like

884
00:47:17,805 --> 00:47:19,885
Speaker 4: why wasn't it better? And what was missing? And that

885
00:47:19,965 --> 00:47:25,125
Speaker 4: sort of thing. Then watching Showgun Assassin and going, well, structurally,

886
00:47:25,165 --> 00:47:30,125
Speaker 4: it's the same idea of these wandering Ronan or mercenaries

887
00:47:30,485 --> 00:47:35,325
Speaker 4: going from place to place, accepting missions, helping people, getting

888
00:47:35,325 --> 00:47:39,805
Speaker 4: into scrapes. But the difference is that, you know, Lone

889
00:47:39,845 --> 00:47:44,525
Speaker 4: Wolf and Cub have this overarching storyline. They have this

890
00:47:44,765 --> 00:47:51,245
Speaker 4: overarching issue problem motivation, you know, whether it's the showgun

891
00:47:51,525 --> 00:47:53,445
Speaker 4: is trying to kill me or this other family is

892
00:47:53,485 --> 00:47:57,045
Speaker 4: trying to kill me, whether it's I need to get revenge.

893
00:47:57,125 --> 00:48:01,485
Speaker 4: These people killed my wife and now I must take revenge.

894
00:48:01,525 --> 00:48:04,645
Speaker 4: We must walk the demon road to hell, and we

895
00:48:04,725 --> 00:48:07,965
Speaker 4: are going to do these other things to survive. But

896
00:48:08,165 --> 00:48:11,445
Speaker 4: ultimately we have this end goal and all of that

897
00:48:11,565 --> 00:48:14,285
Speaker 4: is missing from the Mandalarning grogu. They are just these

898
00:48:14,325 --> 00:48:17,445
Speaker 4: guys who are helping the New Republic and there is

899
00:48:17,565 --> 00:48:20,925
Speaker 4: no you know, if on the TV show there were

900
00:48:21,045 --> 00:48:23,685
Speaker 4: elements of well I have to reacquire this or I

901
00:48:23,725 --> 00:48:27,085
Speaker 4: have to you know, prove myself to the Mandalorian people,

902
00:48:27,165 --> 00:48:30,565
Speaker 4: or whatever it was in the movie, that is not present.

903
00:48:30,685 --> 00:48:33,525
Speaker 4: It is we captured this guy for you. Now, who

904
00:48:33,525 --> 00:48:35,965
Speaker 4: else do you want us to capture this person? Okay,

905
00:48:36,045 --> 00:48:38,325
Speaker 4: now we're going to go capture that person. Here is

906
00:48:38,365 --> 00:48:41,845
Speaker 4: that person? What else you got for us? The larger

907
00:48:41,965 --> 00:48:44,125
Speaker 4: sense that there is a bigger thing that we are

908
00:48:44,165 --> 00:48:46,885
Speaker 4: building towards, that we are working towards, that is a

909
00:48:46,925 --> 00:48:50,325
Speaker 4: motivating factor is just not present, and seeing them together

910
00:48:50,405 --> 00:48:52,444
Speaker 4: it really made me think that would have been nice

911
00:48:52,485 --> 00:48:54,845
Speaker 4: to have in the Mandalorian and Grogu.

912
00:48:55,565 --> 00:48:57,605
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had this feeling watching it, just like, oh

913
00:48:57,925 --> 00:48:59,765
Speaker 2: about the halfway point, I was like, Oh, this is

914
00:48:59,965 --> 00:49:01,805
Speaker 2: just all we're gonna do, huh, not as a layer

915
00:49:01,885 --> 00:49:03,725
Speaker 2: to this cake. This is just a little, you know,

916
00:49:03,765 --> 00:49:06,165
Speaker 2: a little sheet cake that we're going to enjoy and

917
00:49:06,205 --> 00:49:08,085
Speaker 2: then go home and not really think about it anymore.

918
00:49:08,125 --> 00:49:09,405
Speaker 2: But those are all good points.

919
00:49:09,725 --> 00:49:09,885
Speaker 4: You know.

920
00:49:09,925 --> 00:49:11,565
Speaker 2: One thing they definitely have in common is these are

921
00:49:11,605 --> 00:49:15,285
Speaker 2: both characters who live by codes of honor. Now we

922
00:49:15,365 --> 00:49:19,365
Speaker 2: don't get much unpacking of what the Mandalorian code of

923
00:49:19,405 --> 00:49:21,405
Speaker 2: honor is in this film. It's another thing that you

924
00:49:21,445 --> 00:49:23,205
Speaker 2: kind of have to bring into it if you want

925
00:49:23,245 --> 00:49:26,125
Speaker 2: to think about it at all. And we kind of

926
00:49:26,165 --> 00:49:31,965
Speaker 2: get a cloudy version of what Lone Wolf's code of

927
00:49:32,045 --> 00:49:35,805
Speaker 2: honor is. But the Bills thing pretty central to each character.

928
00:49:35,805 --> 00:49:38,045
Speaker 2: How do you see them playing out over the course

929
00:49:38,085 --> 00:49:38,685
Speaker 2: of this film.

930
00:49:39,365 --> 00:49:42,645
Speaker 3: I mean, they're both kind of about a samurai nobility,

931
00:49:43,085 --> 00:49:46,364
Speaker 3: even though neither of them is really a samurai at

932
00:49:46,565 --> 00:49:50,445
Speaker 3: this point in their story. You know, I think even

933
00:49:50,565 --> 00:49:55,245
Speaker 3: clinging to any code of honor maybe makes somebody stand

934
00:49:55,285 --> 00:49:58,964
Speaker 3: out in the Star Wars world, which is very much

935
00:49:59,005 --> 00:50:02,125
Speaker 3: defined by lawlessness and chaos. You know, we spend a

936
00:50:02,165 --> 00:50:05,125
Speaker 3: lot of time in either wretched hives of common villainy

937
00:50:05,525 --> 00:50:10,845
Speaker 3: or in a you know, more more rarefied elite circumstances

938
00:50:10,845 --> 00:50:16,125
Speaker 3: on say Coruscant, where people are still engaging in retched

939
00:50:16,165 --> 00:50:20,725
Speaker 3: acts of scommon villainy. So anybody who has a code

940
00:50:21,365 --> 00:50:23,725
Speaker 3: in Star Wars just kind of like stands out in

941
00:50:23,765 --> 00:50:25,685
Speaker 3: and of himself, even if that code.

942
00:50:25,485 --> 00:50:27,165
Speaker 4: Is just just.

943
00:50:27,125 --> 00:50:30,725
Speaker 3: Repeatedly saying I have spoken and you know, making it

944
00:50:30,765 --> 00:50:34,325
Speaker 3: clear that that is the end point of any discussion.

945
00:50:34,925 --> 00:50:40,925
Speaker 3: It's something that people adhere to and respect. The code

946
00:50:40,965 --> 00:50:46,485
Speaker 3: of honor in a Showgun Assassin is seems like a

947
00:50:46,525 --> 00:50:49,885
Speaker 3: lot simpler. You know, Den has things that he believes

948
00:50:49,925 --> 00:50:53,165
Speaker 3: in that are outside of what most Mandalorians believe in.

949
00:50:54,205 --> 00:50:57,685
Speaker 3: I don't get the sense that Lone Wolf really has

950
00:50:57,965 --> 00:51:01,925
Speaker 3: much that he believes in anymore, except that he refuses

951
00:51:01,965 --> 00:51:05,325
Speaker 3: to die and he will kill as many of the

952
00:51:05,365 --> 00:51:09,685
Speaker 3: Showgun's men as he possibly can. There's you know, in

953
00:51:10,085 --> 00:51:12,565
Speaker 3: the in the books, at least, there seems to be

954
00:51:12,605 --> 00:51:14,365
Speaker 3: like a lot more that he believes in and a

955
00:51:14,365 --> 00:51:16,685
Speaker 3: lot more opportunity to still live that out. But maybe

956
00:51:16,685 --> 00:51:22,125
Speaker 3: that's the disadvantage of the the Oops all heads edit

957
00:51:22,445 --> 00:51:26,605
Speaker 3: of these two movies, where it's just it's just all

958
00:51:26,645 --> 00:51:29,285
Speaker 3: of the action. We end up knowing a lot more

959
00:51:29,485 --> 00:51:32,485
Speaker 3: about Digoro's philosophy than we do about his dad's.

960
00:51:32,885 --> 00:51:34,365
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's true.

961
00:51:34,685 --> 00:51:37,685
Speaker 3: I guess here's an important thing. One of the big

962
00:51:37,885 --> 00:51:42,085
Speaker 3: elements of the Mandalorian philosophy that we get throughout the

963
00:51:42,125 --> 00:51:46,365
Speaker 3: show is that raising the next generation is incredibly important,

964
00:51:46,605 --> 00:51:51,205
Speaker 3: like respecting them, keeping them safe, teaching them, teaching them

965
00:51:51,245 --> 00:51:54,844
Speaker 3: the codes specifically, And that is something I think we're

966
00:51:54,845 --> 00:51:59,404
Speaker 3: getting in the Mandalorian in a kind of submerged way.

967
00:52:00,045 --> 00:52:03,525
Speaker 3: Is just there's the one thing that Mando says to

968
00:52:03,565 --> 00:52:08,005
Speaker 3: Grogu late in the film that's basically just, you know,

969
00:52:08,165 --> 00:52:10,085
Speaker 3: the old take care of the young, and then the

970
00:52:10,125 --> 00:52:12,765
Speaker 3: young take care of the old. This is the way.

971
00:52:12,845 --> 00:52:16,125
Speaker 3: And it's the one bit of Mando code that he

972
00:52:16,725 --> 00:52:20,404
Speaker 3: puts out there. In the same sort of way, Lone

973
00:52:20,445 --> 00:52:24,925
Speaker 3: Wolf seems to be perfectly willing to like let his

974
00:52:25,005 --> 00:52:28,485
Speaker 3: son have the choice, even if he can't understand it.

975
00:52:28,685 --> 00:52:32,325
Speaker 3: Still like let him choose through fate, if nothing else,

976
00:52:33,125 --> 00:52:36,405
Speaker 3: what he wants his life to be. And once it

977
00:52:36,525 --> 00:52:39,445
Speaker 3: seems like his son is willing to walk on this

978
00:52:39,525 --> 00:52:42,285
Speaker 3: road to hell with him. You know, he's definitely teaching

979
00:52:42,325 --> 00:52:45,205
Speaker 3: him how to kill. He's definitely teaching him how to survive.

980
00:52:45,325 --> 00:52:48,285
Speaker 3: He's definitely teaching him how to be stoic. There's a

981
00:52:48,365 --> 00:52:52,125
Speaker 3: sense that, like what honor he still clings to and

982
00:52:52,205 --> 00:52:55,645
Speaker 3: considers important, what codes he still has, he's certainly passing

983
00:52:55,645 --> 00:52:56,325
Speaker 3: on to his son.

984
00:52:56,605 --> 00:52:59,765
Speaker 4: The line that you mentioned about the old take care

985
00:52:59,805 --> 00:53:01,405
Speaker 4: of the young, and the young take care of the

986
00:53:01,445 --> 00:53:05,125
Speaker 4: old comes at the end of the sequence where Grogu

987
00:53:05,325 --> 00:53:09,605
Speaker 4: has kind of protected Mando while he was you know,

988
00:53:09,645 --> 00:53:13,765
Speaker 4: he got bitten by the venomous you know it's a

989
00:53:13,845 --> 00:53:19,245
Speaker 4: dragon snake, the ab list dragon snake, and you know

990
00:53:19,325 --> 00:53:23,045
Speaker 4: that sequence, so, I mean so clearly is inspired by

991
00:53:23,125 --> 00:53:25,925
Speaker 4: the sequence in Showgun Assassin and I guess from the

992
00:53:25,965 --> 00:53:28,965
Speaker 4: second Lone Wolf and Cub movie where the son takes

993
00:53:29,005 --> 00:53:32,005
Speaker 4: care of the father, and basically the exact same way.

994
00:53:32,325 --> 00:53:34,325
Speaker 3: Little less mouth spitting.

995
00:53:35,645 --> 00:53:37,965
Speaker 4: Doesn't spit into his mouth. Okay, but it's hard to

996
00:53:37,965 --> 00:53:40,404
Speaker 4: spin into someone's mouth when they're wearing a helmet. I mean,

997
00:53:40,405 --> 00:53:44,125
Speaker 4: that's just that's very tricky. So but other than that.

998
00:53:43,805 --> 00:53:47,125
Speaker 3: That he doesn't that he respects him his beliefs and

999
00:53:47,165 --> 00:53:48,845
Speaker 3: doesn't take off the helmet, even though it would he

1000
00:53:48,885 --> 00:53:51,525
Speaker 3: find for grog you to see him without the helmet.

1001
00:53:51,605 --> 00:53:54,125
Speaker 4: He leaves the helmet on. Another thing. You know. Again,

1002
00:53:54,165 --> 00:53:56,404
Speaker 4: it's such a similar premise, but I think to the

1003
00:53:56,445 --> 00:53:59,805
Speaker 4: core of the idea or ideas here, there is something

1004
00:53:59,925 --> 00:54:05,365
Speaker 4: very appealing about, you know, this one person up against

1005
00:54:05,965 --> 00:54:09,365
Speaker 4: you know, in the case of Shogun assassin, the shogunate,

1006
00:54:09,485 --> 00:54:14,205
Speaker 4: this you know, like endless waves of Ninja, and in

1007
00:54:14,245 --> 00:54:17,364
Speaker 4: the Mandalorian and Grogu you have, you know, the the

1008
00:54:17,485 --> 00:54:20,965
Speaker 4: huts and all of these monsters and seemingly endless amount

1009
00:54:21,005 --> 00:54:26,525
Speaker 4: ounce of warlords and gangsters and their minions, remnant stormtroopers.

1010
00:54:26,565 --> 00:54:29,685
Speaker 4: There's millions of guys and just having the one guy

1011
00:54:29,725 --> 00:54:33,965
Speaker 4: who's like really good, you know, like in Lone Wolf

1012
00:54:34,005 --> 00:54:36,805
Speaker 4: and Cub he seems to almost have like a spider sense,

1013
00:54:36,845 --> 00:54:38,725
Speaker 4: you know, and he you know, he'll be sitting in

1014
00:54:38,765 --> 00:54:41,725
Speaker 4: a bathtub and all of a sudden, he'll like he'll freeze,

1015
00:54:41,765 --> 00:54:44,605
Speaker 4: and he'll be listening very intensely and he'll you'll have

1016
00:54:44,645 --> 00:54:46,485
Speaker 4: a close up of the sword and he's kind of

1017
00:54:46,525 --> 00:54:50,685
Speaker 4: like inching it out of the sheath, waiting and waiting,

1018
00:54:50,725 --> 00:54:53,925
Speaker 4: and then he'll go, no, it's it's it's nothing, it's nothing,

1019
00:54:53,965 --> 00:54:56,525
Speaker 4: and then he'll put the sword away and continue and

1020
00:54:56,565 --> 00:54:58,885
Speaker 4: continue the bath. And then but then there's other times where,

1021
00:54:59,045 --> 00:55:01,445
Speaker 4: you know, like we think we mentioned, you know, he

1022
00:55:01,445 --> 00:55:04,245
Speaker 4: he hears a guy three rooms away and he throws

1023
00:55:04,365 --> 00:55:06,965
Speaker 4: a sword and manages to kill the guy. You know,

1024
00:55:07,085 --> 00:55:11,925
Speaker 4: like he has like extrasensory perception, and you know, Mando

1025
00:55:12,005 --> 00:55:14,685
Speaker 4: doesn't maybe quite have that level of kind of almost

1026
00:55:14,685 --> 00:55:18,485
Speaker 4: supernatural power, but he has all these gadgets. He can

1027
00:55:18,525 --> 00:55:20,925
Speaker 4: clear room like Darth Vader, like we were saying earlier,

1028
00:55:21,045 --> 00:55:22,965
Speaker 4: like he can just kind of walk through guys with

1029
00:55:23,005 --> 00:55:26,525
Speaker 4: all his cool weapons and fighting moves. And there is

1030
00:55:26,565 --> 00:55:31,365
Speaker 4: something kind of enjoyable about that, you know, that simple premise,

1031
00:55:31,725 --> 00:55:34,565
Speaker 4: it's kind of timeless. Maybe it's a cliche, maybe it's

1032
00:55:34,565 --> 00:55:38,685
Speaker 4: an archetype of you know, the loane person up against

1033
00:55:38,685 --> 00:55:41,885
Speaker 4: these insurmountable odds, but the loan person is actually pretty

1034
00:55:41,925 --> 00:55:44,364
Speaker 4: good at all these things, and so he's pretty cool

1035
00:55:44,405 --> 00:55:46,885
Speaker 4: and you kind of like watching him go up against

1036
00:55:46,885 --> 00:55:50,605
Speaker 4: these impossible odds. It's something that they both share, and

1037
00:55:50,765 --> 00:55:53,165
Speaker 4: it's something that it just works for me at least

1038
00:55:53,165 --> 00:55:55,085
Speaker 4: in like most stories.

1039
00:55:54,685 --> 00:55:57,364
Speaker 3: Like this, I mean, it's a power fantasy and in

1040
00:55:57,405 --> 00:56:03,245
Speaker 3: the simplest terms, the unstoppable badass who you know, whether

1041
00:56:03,605 --> 00:56:08,005
Speaker 3: he has innate abilities or just the coolest tech and

1042
00:56:08,045 --> 00:56:11,485
Speaker 3: the best weaponry and certainly the coolest armor. You know,

1043
00:56:12,005 --> 00:56:16,165
Speaker 3: people do comment in the movie briefly about the best

1044
00:56:16,205 --> 00:56:19,085
Speaker 3: Gar armor and how priceless and important it is. It's

1045
00:56:19,125 --> 00:56:22,325
Speaker 3: a big, big thing throughout the Mandalorian the TV show

1046
00:56:22,445 --> 00:56:25,205
Speaker 3: is like how he gets his best Gar armor and

1047
00:56:25,245 --> 00:56:27,965
Speaker 3: why it's important and why it's symbolic for his culture.

1048
00:56:28,405 --> 00:56:32,525
Speaker 3: But you know, regardless of the source of power, the

1049
00:56:33,125 --> 00:56:35,125
Speaker 3: I can take on a mob of people and emerge

1050
00:56:35,125 --> 00:56:38,125
Speaker 3: on scathe thing is a power fantasy. So I guess

1051
00:56:38,125 --> 00:56:41,125
Speaker 3: in both cases. I'm just curious for your thoughts on

1052
00:56:41,685 --> 00:56:45,805
Speaker 3: how bringing a small child into the power fantasy is

1053
00:56:46,285 --> 00:56:49,605
Speaker 3: complicating it, because I'm not sure that I have an

1054
00:56:49,645 --> 00:56:53,725
Speaker 3: answer here. Whether it's about being strong and sensitive at

1055
00:56:53,725 --> 00:56:56,404
Speaker 3: the same time, which is also its own kind of

1056
00:56:56,445 --> 00:57:00,605
Speaker 3: like male archetype, or about being so strong that you

1057
00:57:00,685 --> 00:57:04,525
Speaker 3: can be strong like for the next generation as well,

1058
00:57:04,885 --> 00:57:07,045
Speaker 3: or if there's something else I'm missing to it. I'm

1059
00:57:07,125 --> 00:57:09,364
Speaker 3: not a dude, I'm not a dad, and I don't

1060
00:57:09,365 --> 00:57:13,525
Speaker 3: have kids, which is three ways that I am different

1061
00:57:13,565 --> 00:57:15,205
Speaker 3: from the two of you. Maybe you can speak to

1062
00:57:15,245 --> 00:57:16,765
Speaker 3: it a little more. Well.

1063
00:57:16,765 --> 00:57:19,405
Speaker 2: It gives them a vulnerability, right, I mean, these are

1064
00:57:19,445 --> 00:57:22,565
Speaker 2: invulnerable badassts for one thing. They have this kid they

1065
00:57:22,565 --> 00:57:25,365
Speaker 2: got to they have to protect, just like me, and

1066
00:57:25,405 --> 00:57:27,685
Speaker 2: that we are both involved with bad assets, but we

1067
00:57:27,725 --> 00:57:29,685
Speaker 2: have kids we have to protect, so you know.

1068
00:57:30,165 --> 00:57:32,605
Speaker 4: But I mean in Shogun Assassin, I mean there is

1069
00:57:33,085 --> 00:57:34,565
Speaker 4: you know, towards the end of the movie, there is

1070
00:57:34,605 --> 00:57:37,645
Speaker 4: the thing where they kidnap the Sun and that is like,

1071
00:57:37,765 --> 00:57:40,005
Speaker 4: you know, his one weakness, you know, like it's very

1072
00:57:40,045 --> 00:57:44,085
Speaker 4: much it's used exactly in that way. I mean, the

1073
00:57:44,285 --> 00:57:47,885
Speaker 4: child endangerment thing does give give me pause a little

1074
00:57:47,885 --> 00:57:51,925
Speaker 4: bit watching these movies occasionally. I guess again with with Grogu,

1075
00:57:51,965 --> 00:57:54,845
Speaker 4: it is kind of complicated by the fact that one

1076
00:57:55,005 --> 00:57:58,965
Speaker 4: he's like older than me technically, and two and two

1077
00:57:59,085 --> 00:58:03,005
Speaker 4: he like he can use the force, like he's quasi capable.

1078
00:58:03,845 --> 00:58:06,605
Speaker 4: You're right that the we don't know quite the extent

1079
00:58:06,645 --> 00:58:10,125
Speaker 4: of his capabilities, and he is somewhat alien and it

1080
00:58:10,165 --> 00:58:12,565
Speaker 4: is kind of unclear how much of a baby or

1081
00:58:12,605 --> 00:58:17,565
Speaker 4: a child he is, but he seems to be handling himself. Okay,

1082
00:58:18,005 --> 00:58:21,885
Speaker 4: there were there were times where I did, you know, think,

1083
00:58:22,565 --> 00:58:25,085
Speaker 4: you know, is there no child services to call on

1084
00:58:25,285 --> 00:58:28,405
Speaker 4: this father? You know? Should he really be pushing his

1085
00:58:28,485 --> 00:58:31,085
Speaker 4: child in this basket that has so many edge weapons

1086
00:58:31,085 --> 00:58:33,605
Speaker 4: in it? You know, they just that's got to be dangerous.

1087
00:58:33,645 --> 00:58:35,885
Speaker 4: Forget about all the ninja trying to kill them. Just

1088
00:58:35,925 --> 00:58:38,165
Speaker 4: like he presses the wrong button, one of those things

1089
00:58:38,285 --> 00:58:42,005
Speaker 4: is gonna shoot out at him. So, yes, it is

1090
00:58:42,045 --> 00:58:44,645
Speaker 4: something I thought about. I don't know that I was

1091
00:58:44,685 --> 00:58:47,925
Speaker 4: sitting there going, yes, I'm enjoying this because I wish

1092
00:58:48,005 --> 00:58:51,925
Speaker 4: I could carry my child under one arm and slaughter

1093
00:58:52,005 --> 00:58:54,965
Speaker 4: people it will with the other arm. Maybe for some

1094
00:58:55,085 --> 00:58:58,605
Speaker 4: people it is. It is an interesting aspect. I agree

1095
00:58:58,685 --> 00:59:04,045
Speaker 4: about this. This structure that they both share, to what

1096
00:59:04,165 --> 00:59:07,725
Speaker 4: extent it is part of the appeal, is interesting to

1097
00:59:07,805 --> 00:59:08,325
Speaker 4: think about.

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00:59:08,845 --> 00:59:10,805
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like a get you man, I

1099
00:59:10,805 --> 00:59:13,285
Speaker 2: can do both, right, he'd take care of your kids,

1100
00:59:13,485 --> 00:59:17,485
Speaker 2: as we talked about before, a real quick, simple, superficial connection.

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00:59:17,645 --> 00:59:20,565
Speaker 2: But both these films a hinge on the Little kids

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00:59:21,045 --> 00:59:23,405
Speaker 2: characters be able to press buttons at the right time too.

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00:59:24,285 --> 00:59:27,405
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, well we can get into that in

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00:59:27,445 --> 00:59:30,685
Speaker 3: one second, because I there. They are an astonishing number

1105
00:59:30,765 --> 00:59:34,645
Speaker 3: of like just straight up story connections here that are

1106
00:59:34,765 --> 00:59:37,845
Speaker 3: very obviously a result of the people who wrote this

1107
00:59:38,005 --> 00:59:42,845
Speaker 3: being fans, not just of the concept of Lone Wolf

1108
00:59:42,885 --> 00:59:45,405
Speaker 3: and cub but of like the specific beat for beat

1109
00:59:45,445 --> 00:59:47,925
Speaker 3: plot points here, and we should get into that. But

1110
00:59:48,005 --> 00:59:50,965
Speaker 3: just to sort of cap off the superpowered dad plus

1111
00:59:51,085 --> 00:59:55,285
Speaker 3: vulnerability thing, neither of these dads show a lot of

1112
00:59:55,365 --> 00:59:57,325
Speaker 3: vulnerability around the kid.

1113
00:59:57,685 --> 00:59:57,885
Speaker 4: You know.

1114
00:59:59,125 --> 01:00:02,205
Speaker 3: Literally, people take that I grow away from Lone Wolf

1115
01:00:02,245 --> 01:00:05,325
Speaker 3: and say surrender or we will kill your child, and

1116
01:00:05,365 --> 01:00:07,085
Speaker 3: he says, go ahead, that will not weaken me in

1117
01:00:07,285 --> 01:00:10,485
Speaker 3: any way. And he allows his child to be dropped

1118
01:00:10,565 --> 01:00:14,165
Speaker 3: done a well, and the child doesn't you know, much

1119
01:00:14,205 --> 01:00:19,605
Speaker 3: as that poor poor Samurai didn't scream while he was

1120
01:00:19,605 --> 01:00:23,205
Speaker 3: being hacked into bit spy babes with blades. You know,

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01:00:23,285 --> 01:00:26,045
Speaker 3: Diagora doesn't cry out. He doesn't he doesn't protest, he

1122
01:00:26,045 --> 01:00:29,885
Speaker 3: doesn't look frightened, he doesn't look shaken when he's pulled

1123
01:00:29,925 --> 01:00:33,445
Speaker 3: back up from the well soaking wet, like he's not

1124
01:00:33,485 --> 01:00:37,405
Speaker 3: presented as a vulnerable child, even though he is you know,

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01:00:37,525 --> 01:00:40,445
Speaker 3: young and not as strong and capable as his father

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01:00:41,045 --> 01:00:44,045
Speaker 3: and Grogo in the same way, you know, he shows

1127
01:00:45,085 --> 01:00:48,045
Speaker 3: discomfort or sadness from time to time. When asked if

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01:00:48,045 --> 01:00:51,165
Speaker 3: he's scared of something like he nods like he he

1129
01:00:51,245 --> 01:00:54,925
Speaker 3: definitely is overmatched in a lot of cases, but he

1130
01:00:54,925 --> 01:00:58,005
Speaker 3: doesn't show it, and he responds to being overmatched by

1131
01:00:58,605 --> 01:01:01,845
Speaker 3: by buckling down and doing the thing anyway, even though

1132
01:01:01,845 --> 01:01:06,165
Speaker 3: it's scary. He also gets taken away from his father

1133
01:01:06,365 --> 01:01:09,205
Speaker 3: and threatened, you know, he gets put in a cage

1134
01:01:10,005 --> 01:01:12,965
Speaker 3: and kind of like made to watch what's supposed to

1135
01:01:12,965 --> 01:01:16,325
Speaker 3: be his father's execution, and in the same sort of way,

1136
01:01:16,485 --> 01:01:19,525
Speaker 3: you know, Mando doesn't seem at all worried about him

1137
01:01:19,925 --> 01:01:23,165
Speaker 3: being there. The two of them are just very stoic

1138
01:01:23,285 --> 01:01:28,605
Speaker 3: about that situation for something that in theory might be

1139
01:01:28,885 --> 01:01:33,205
Speaker 3: like there to be a vulnerability, in neither case does

1140
01:01:33,245 --> 01:01:36,445
Speaker 3: it bring out vulnerability for either of them. So maybe

1141
01:01:36,485 --> 01:01:39,685
Speaker 3: that's the point, is like fatherlake son, maybe the point

1142
01:01:39,765 --> 01:01:43,205
Speaker 3: is how preternaturally tough these children are.

1143
01:01:43,765 --> 01:01:46,285
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a later in one of the later Lone

1144
01:01:46,285 --> 01:01:49,365
Speaker 2: Wolf and Cop movies the character just actively calls lone

1145
01:01:49,405 --> 01:01:52,085
Speaker 2: Wolf out on endangering his child, and he says something

1146
01:01:52,085 --> 01:01:54,245
Speaker 2: to the effect of like maybe maybe it was including

1147
01:01:54,245 --> 01:01:55,925
Speaker 2: Showgun Assassin, and I think I thought it was one

1148
01:01:55,965 --> 01:01:58,725
Speaker 2: of later ones. Was's like, yeah, that's we're walking into

1149
01:01:58,725 --> 01:02:00,725
Speaker 2: even path and hell together and that's just what you do.

1150
01:02:01,245 --> 01:02:04,485
Speaker 4: Uh, that's how we roll. You know, we're on the

1151
01:02:04,525 --> 01:02:05,965
Speaker 4: deep path. Now, what are you gonna do?

1152
01:02:06,165 --> 01:02:09,405
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole of his excuse, But uh, yeah,

1153
01:02:09,445 --> 01:02:12,285
Speaker 2: I don't know. Look, I gotta say I think it's

1154
01:02:12,325 --> 01:02:15,125
Speaker 2: great parenting. I wouldn't do it. I do something else.

1155
01:02:15,205 --> 01:02:18,365
Speaker 2: But well, what can you say? Well, we have a

1156
01:02:18,405 --> 01:02:20,205
Speaker 2: little more to talk about, but we do need to

1157
01:02:20,245 --> 01:02:22,245
Speaker 2: We're all out of bread here, so we're gonna take

1158
01:02:22,245 --> 01:02:24,645
Speaker 2: a quick break and we'll be right back to finish

1159
01:02:24,725 --> 01:02:28,765
Speaker 2: up our discussion of Manalori and Grogu and show up

1160
01:02:28,765 --> 01:02:42,605
Speaker 2: on Assassin and we're back. So I think we're gonna

1161
01:02:42,685 --> 01:02:44,405
Speaker 2: lightning around our way through the rest of it, because

1162
01:02:44,525 --> 01:02:47,205
Speaker 2: because Tasha and I think we all noticed that there

1163
01:02:47,205 --> 01:02:50,525
Speaker 2: there are some beat for beat similarities here, I'll throughout.

1164
01:02:50,685 --> 01:02:55,605
Speaker 2: First of all, if you watch Grogu's facial expressions, there

1165
01:02:55,685 --> 01:02:58,045
Speaker 2: really are a lot like de Goro's like there, there's

1166
01:02:58,165 --> 01:03:00,285
Speaker 2: like whole moments that just seemed like that that that

1167
01:03:00,405 --> 01:03:04,845
Speaker 2: we really were directly inspired by. And I mean this,

1168
01:03:04,885 --> 01:03:06,445
Speaker 2: I don't mean it's a rip off. I mean it's

1169
01:03:06,445 --> 01:03:08,725
Speaker 2: from mad It's a nice touch that is like a

1170
01:03:08,765 --> 01:03:12,125
Speaker 2: tip of the hat to where you know Grogu's ancestor,

1171
01:03:12,165 --> 01:03:14,085
Speaker 2: although I guess it depends on how long ago and

1172
01:03:14,125 --> 01:03:17,645
Speaker 2: how far away the Star Wars universe is, but in

1173
01:03:17,725 --> 01:03:19,645
Speaker 2: our timeline his predecessor.

1174
01:03:20,125 --> 01:03:23,685
Speaker 3: The scene where a lone wolf asks his child to

1175
01:03:23,765 --> 01:03:27,285
Speaker 3: choose between the ball and the sword and Degoro starts

1176
01:03:27,325 --> 01:03:31,205
Speaker 3: like crawling towards him, I had a moment of Oh,

1177
01:03:31,285 --> 01:03:33,805
Speaker 3: that's why Grogu moves the way he does, you know,

1178
01:03:33,885 --> 01:03:36,245
Speaker 3: that's why he's wearing a sack. I mean, part of

1179
01:03:36,285 --> 01:03:38,045
Speaker 3: it is to hide the fact that he's a puppet,

1180
01:03:38,085 --> 01:03:41,085
Speaker 3: and sometimes there's a hand up there and you know,

1181
01:03:41,125 --> 01:03:44,765
Speaker 3: the legs are probably not moving in a very believable way.

1182
01:03:45,485 --> 01:03:49,725
Speaker 3: But it was just so Grogu, like, you know, because

1183
01:03:49,725 --> 01:03:53,645
Speaker 3: he's tied up in all of these like ceremonial garments.

1184
01:03:54,285 --> 01:03:59,405
Speaker 3: It just really connected for me. But also I hadn't

1185
01:03:59,405 --> 01:04:02,245
Speaker 3: really thought about the fact this actually happens. I think

1186
01:04:02,285 --> 01:04:05,685
Speaker 3: in Book of Boba Fet. There is literally the scene

1187
01:04:05,685 --> 01:04:09,765
Speaker 3: where Luke Skywalker gives Grogu two representative items and says,

1188
01:04:09,965 --> 01:04:12,725
Speaker 3: you know, choose your path forward. You can either choose

1189
01:04:12,805 --> 01:04:15,445
Speaker 3: Yoda's lightsaber and choose the path of the Jedi, or

1190
01:04:15,485 --> 01:04:18,605
Speaker 3: you can choose this piece of Mandalorian armor and choose

1191
01:04:18,605 --> 01:04:21,845
Speaker 3: the path of the Mandalorian. And you know, one of

1192
01:04:21,885 --> 01:04:24,765
Speaker 3: those options does not immediately end in his death. But

1193
01:04:24,965 --> 01:04:29,165
Speaker 3: it is very much taken directly from from the Lone

1194
01:04:29,165 --> 01:04:32,845
Speaker 3: Wolf and Cub movies slash manga story beat.

1195
01:04:33,125 --> 01:04:34,885
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've forgotten. That would have been.

1196
01:04:34,805 --> 01:04:36,445
Speaker 4: Cool if that was in this movie. It would have

1197
01:04:36,445 --> 01:04:38,405
Speaker 4: given some juice to this movie. But they had already

1198
01:04:38,485 --> 01:04:41,885
Speaker 4: used it in not even the Mandalorian TV show, right,

1199
01:04:42,325 --> 01:04:43,725
Speaker 4: was that in the Book of Boba Fat.

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01:04:44,165 --> 01:04:48,045
Speaker 2: It's the one episode's basically an episode of the Mandalorian

1201
01:04:48,765 --> 01:04:52,405
Speaker 2: squeezed into the books. Very odd. I defend that show.

1202
01:04:52,405 --> 01:04:53,965
Speaker 2: I think the show. I thought thin the show is

1203
01:04:53,965 --> 01:04:56,365
Speaker 2: better than its reputation, but.

1204
01:04:55,845 --> 01:05:00,725
Speaker 3: But it's not not. Yeah yeah, oh my god, Keith.

1205
01:05:00,885 --> 01:05:03,125
Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, I have written about this

1206
01:05:03,245 --> 01:05:05,645
Speaker 3: extensively and I could just that. And second of all,

1207
01:05:05,805 --> 01:05:08,485
Speaker 3: if you ever want to do a bonus episode because

1208
01:05:08,525 --> 01:05:11,645
Speaker 3: we definitely don't have time here. But yeah, that show

1209
01:05:11,685 --> 01:05:13,525
Speaker 3: has gotten worse and worse and worse the more I

1210
01:05:13,565 --> 01:05:14,565
Speaker 3: thought about it, And.

1211
01:05:14,525 --> 01:05:18,165
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably I was maybe just being too kind anyway.

1212
01:05:18,805 --> 01:05:22,045
Speaker 2: But button pushing both these both these films involve little

1213
01:05:22,085 --> 01:05:23,125
Speaker 2: kid's prushing buttons.

1214
01:05:23,765 --> 01:05:26,125
Speaker 4: M takes your children. Well, you know that's.

1215
01:05:25,925 --> 01:05:29,445
Speaker 2: Important, teaching which buttons to push and which ones, uh

1216
01:05:29,565 --> 01:05:32,125
Speaker 2: will kill people. I guess it's the take away from this.

1217
01:05:32,645 --> 01:05:37,285
Speaker 4: Grogu spends most of the movie hanging off of Mando's backpack,

1218
01:05:37,325 --> 01:05:40,205
Speaker 4: but he does get that in that scene, that chase

1219
01:05:40,245 --> 01:05:42,725
Speaker 4: scene he winds up in that I don't know what

1220
01:05:42,845 --> 01:05:44,845
Speaker 4: it is, but it's like a little hover chair that's

1221
01:05:44,885 --> 01:05:47,805
Speaker 4: like the perfect size for him and his baby carriage.

1222
01:05:47,845 --> 01:05:49,965
Speaker 4: It's his baby carriage, and it does kind of it

1223
01:05:50,045 --> 01:05:52,085
Speaker 4: is sort of like the moment where it's like, oh,

1224
01:05:52,125 --> 01:05:54,125
Speaker 4: now he gets to kind of have his own cool,

1225
01:05:54,205 --> 01:05:58,165
Speaker 4: little souped up baby carriage, kind of like Lone Wolf

1226
01:05:58,165 --> 01:06:00,285
Speaker 4: and Cub. That was that was That was a moment

1227
01:06:00,285 --> 01:06:03,365
Speaker 4: that again in retrospect, where I was like, oh, you know,

1228
01:06:03,445 --> 01:06:06,365
Speaker 4: they didn't quite have him in this thing the whole time,

1229
01:06:07,045 --> 01:06:09,205
Speaker 4: but they gave him a moment where he had like

1230
01:06:09,205 --> 01:06:14,245
Speaker 4: a cool little souped up, little little little ride for himself.

1231
01:06:15,285 --> 01:06:17,725
Speaker 4: As another moment that kind of reminded me of of

1232
01:06:17,965 --> 01:06:18,925
Speaker 4: Shogun Assassin.

1233
01:06:19,445 --> 01:06:22,925
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in the original Mandalorian series when he

1234
01:06:23,165 --> 01:06:28,445
Speaker 3: you know, because when he is supposed to go fetch grogu.

1235
01:06:27,565 --> 01:06:32,445
Speaker 4: U and he had had a similar like little thing

1236
01:06:32,525 --> 01:06:33,845
Speaker 4: that kind of hid him as well.

1237
01:06:33,925 --> 01:06:37,285
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, well he's in a little floating baby carriage

1238
01:06:37,325 --> 01:06:39,925
Speaker 3: and then he pushes him around in it and it's

1239
01:06:40,005 --> 01:06:42,405
Speaker 3: of course it hovers because it's Star Wars and most

1240
01:06:42,405 --> 01:06:45,805
Speaker 3: of the vehicles hover. But that was that was kind

1241
01:06:45,805 --> 01:06:48,485
Speaker 3: of where the comparison started. Was just like you know,

1242
01:06:49,205 --> 01:06:51,965
Speaker 3: a warrior, a kid and a cart that he has

1243
01:06:52,005 --> 01:06:54,645
Speaker 3: to like push around with him everywhere. The visual was

1244
01:06:54,645 --> 01:06:55,325
Speaker 3: always the same.

1245
01:06:55,565 --> 01:06:59,925
Speaker 2: They didn't really try to hide their inspiration with this one, no, I.

1246
01:06:59,885 --> 01:07:03,445
Speaker 3: Mean, I I think the going to the stream to

1247
01:07:03,525 --> 01:07:07,325
Speaker 3: get water for your unconscious father who might or might

1248
01:07:07,405 --> 01:07:10,965
Speaker 3: not die and you know you're responsible for taking care

1249
01:07:11,005 --> 01:07:13,205
Speaker 3: of his his body and like looking after him for

1250
01:07:13,245 --> 01:07:16,885
Speaker 3: several days thing is just so note for note. You know,

1251
01:07:16,925 --> 01:07:19,925
Speaker 3: it's it's it's unmissible, like these are not subtle things

1252
01:07:20,005 --> 01:07:23,805
Speaker 3: and they're certainly not trying to hide anything, although much

1253
01:07:23,885 --> 01:07:27,005
Speaker 3: as with Lucas taking so many of his characters in

1254
01:07:27,085 --> 01:07:30,605
Speaker 3: Beats for the original Star Wars from Hidden Fortress, they

1255
01:07:30,685 --> 01:07:32,925
Speaker 3: might be banking just a little bit on you know,

1256
01:07:32,965 --> 01:07:37,245
Speaker 3: people not having seen these movies, like not going to

1257
01:07:38,845 --> 01:07:43,125
Speaker 3: older foreign films for their entertainment and therefore not necessarily

1258
01:07:43,165 --> 01:07:45,805
Speaker 3: being aware of the degree to which they've seen the

1259
01:07:45,845 --> 01:07:46,485
Speaker 3: story before.

1260
01:07:46,925 --> 01:07:49,325
Speaker 2: So depinion the way you look at it, either we

1261
01:07:49,405 --> 01:07:54,165
Speaker 2: have perfectly chosen that are pairing because there's such a

1262
01:07:54,205 --> 01:08:00,645
Speaker 2: deep homage being paid, or we are exposing the deceit

1263
01:08:01,045 --> 01:08:04,765
Speaker 2: of lucasfilm by trying to pass this off as a

1264
01:08:04,765 --> 01:08:07,165
Speaker 2: news story. But I think it's really the first one.

1265
01:08:07,365 --> 01:08:09,525
Speaker 2: I think. With that, I think we should probably wind

1266
01:08:09,725 --> 01:08:12,845
Speaker 2: this down. Show that Assassin is now streaming on the

1267
01:08:12,845 --> 01:08:16,085
Speaker 2: Criterion Channel alongside all the original Lone Wolf and Cub films.

1268
01:08:16,245 --> 01:08:19,485
Speaker 2: It's also remnennable via Prime Video and available as part

1269
01:08:19,564 --> 01:08:21,644
Speaker 2: of a nice Lone Wolf and Cup Blue ray set

1270
01:08:21,684 --> 01:08:24,964
Speaker 2: also from Criterion. The Mandalorian and Grogu is now in theaters.

1271
01:08:24,965 --> 01:08:26,764
Speaker 2: I think it'll probably be streaming on Disney Plus at

1272
01:08:26,805 --> 01:08:29,764
Speaker 2: some point, though, right alongside all the other Mandalorian stuff.

1273
01:08:29,805 --> 01:08:37,885
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with your next Picture Show. So

1274
01:08:38,045 --> 01:08:39,725
Speaker 2: now that's time for your next Picture Show, where we

1275
01:08:39,805 --> 01:08:42,725
Speaker 2: recommend a film or a firm related item that complements

1276
01:08:42,765 --> 01:08:44,965
Speaker 2: this set of episodes. We call it your Next Picture

1277
01:08:45,005 --> 01:08:46,884
Speaker 2: Show and the hopes that will put some interesting choices

1278
01:08:46,925 --> 01:08:49,764
Speaker 2: on your radar. We did to think too hard about

1279
01:08:49,765 --> 01:08:52,325
Speaker 2: this one, because I would recommend that if you enjoy

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Speaker 2: Showgun Assassin, you should go back to the original films,

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Speaker 2: which I think are objectively better. But I really am

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Speaker 2: glad Showgun Assassin exists as well for reasons we've already covered.

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Speaker 2: But if you're going to watch some, I would recommend

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Speaker 2: starting with Lone Wolf from cub sort of Vengeance is

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Speaker 2: a nice gives you the origin story, also a fine film.

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Speaker 2: It's own right, I think Lone Wolf and Cub Baby

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Speaker 2: Cart of the River Sticks, the second film is also

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Speaker 2: probably the best in the series that takes up much.

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Speaker 2: You know, much of Showgun Assassin is taken from that.

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Speaker 2: For there, I I you know it's been among as

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Speaker 2: they all blurred together, But I do remember really liking

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Speaker 2: the fourth one quite a bit. Lone Wolf and Club

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Speaker 2: Baby Cart and Peril is quite good. And then you know,

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Speaker 2: there's the series cuts off at six with a story

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Speaker 2: not and there's more of the story to tell in

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Speaker 2: the manga, and it kind of leaves a lot of

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Speaker 2: stuff unresolved, and part I believe because there's a TV

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Speaker 2: series aired around this time, sort of Mandalorian esk in

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Speaker 2: a way, but it kind of in reverse. But it's

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Speaker 2: probably okay. I like all of them, but the last

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Speaker 2: one Lone Wolf and Cubed White Heaven and Hell. I

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Speaker 2: like a lot, but it essentially like it jumps to

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Speaker 2: the Roger Moore period of James of the James Bond series,

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Speaker 2: because it gets it's not afraid to go silly, it's

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Speaker 2: got zombies, it's got you know, bad guys on skis,

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Speaker 2: and well I don't call them zombies, but essentially, yes,

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Speaker 2: it has it has zombies in it, and and and

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01:10:19,245 --> 01:10:22,365
Speaker 2: the score for these films slowly gets very sort of

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Speaker 2: like shaft wah wah, pedal funk guitar for the course

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Speaker 2: of it. So I think they're all good. It's okay

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Speaker 2: that it ends when it does. It's the silliest of

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Speaker 2: the bunch, but it's it's still a lot of a

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Speaker 2: lot of fun. So it's it's a good series. There

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Speaker 2: is you know, I think you can delve deeper into

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Speaker 2: the world. It's depicting. Uh there is content warning. There

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Speaker 2: some very uncomfortable sexual assault scenes in some of these films. Uh,

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Speaker 2: so you probably know that going in. But yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: all in Criterion Channel. It's it's it's they're worth your time.

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Speaker 2: That's that's my next picture show. How about you, guys,

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01:10:55,525 --> 01:10:56,564
Speaker 2: you're going to go deeper into this.

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Speaker 3: I certainly wouldn't mind. I mean, if nothing else, I

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Speaker 3: would like to see the non overdubbed non Sandra Bernhardt

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Speaker 3: non a voiceover version of the story how.

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Speaker 4: Dare you Tasha?

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Speaker 3: I didn't know at the time when she was objecting

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Speaker 3: to because I hadn't seen my own movies. But later

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01:11:18,885 --> 01:11:23,604
Speaker 3: one day, my feelings are, oh crap, well, I will

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01:11:23,645 --> 01:11:26,325
Speaker 3: try not to stand too close to the cart while

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01:11:26,365 --> 01:11:31,205
Speaker 3: saying that lets to feelings, feelings hurt turn into my

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Speaker 3: abdomen being hurt with stabbings. I'm certainly curious about it.

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Speaker 3: On the other hand, there are ten million things that

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01:11:37,005 --> 01:11:40,125
Speaker 3: I need to watch, so I who knows, who knows

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Speaker 3: when I might actually get to it.

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Speaker 4: You sold me on the one with zombies. That's like

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01:11:44,365 --> 01:11:47,005
Speaker 4: a James Bond movie that has like did you like

1336
01:11:47,045 --> 01:11:49,325
Speaker 4: it's like set on a ski is it a ski

1337
01:11:49,405 --> 01:11:50,325
Speaker 4: mountain or something?

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01:11:50,685 --> 01:11:55,325
Speaker 2: The big climax is endless waves of ninja's attacking on

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01:11:55,405 --> 01:11:56,285
Speaker 2: skis and slags.

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Speaker 4: That will be that will be the one that I

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01:11:57,805 --> 01:11:58,525
Speaker 4: watched next.

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01:11:58,925 --> 01:12:01,405
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's pretty.

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01:12:01,405 --> 01:12:05,165
Speaker 4: Had endless like seas of ninjas on skis and slids.

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01:12:05,285 --> 01:12:08,285
Speaker 3: It sounds like slow Jim Kata to me.

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01:12:08,925 --> 01:12:10,925
Speaker 4: Look, look, I got a type. What can I say?

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01:12:11,005 --> 01:12:13,645
Speaker 3: You know, Winter Jim Cotta.

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01:12:13,685 --> 01:12:15,604
Speaker 2: And because in the series that's what it is. There's

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01:12:15,645 --> 01:12:19,005
Speaker 2: also incestuous sexual assault, so know that, Like I said,

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01:12:19,325 --> 01:12:20,165
Speaker 2: know that going in.

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01:12:20,165 --> 01:12:23,485
Speaker 4: All right, Well, I'm less excited now, But until you

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01:12:23,565 --> 01:12:26,245
Speaker 4: got to that part, you're flipping all the right buttons

1352
01:12:26,325 --> 01:12:31,085
Speaker 4: like both Grogu and Gigaro on these movies, as we know,

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01:12:31,125 --> 01:12:32,804
Speaker 4: they're both very good at pushing buttons.

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Speaker 2: Well, on that note, that's it for this edition of

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01:12:36,205 --> 01:12:38,125
Speaker 2: the Next Picture Show, Tasha, can you tell us about

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01:12:38,125 --> 01:12:38,804
Speaker 2: our next pairing?

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Speaker 3: As we're recording this, Cain Parsons' back Rooms, a ten

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Speaker 3: million dollar horror film, continuing Parsons YouTube series based on

1359
01:12:46,285 --> 01:12:49,165
Speaker 3: a viral internet post is tearing up the box office.

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Speaker 3: The film, about a frustrated failed architect and failing furniture

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01:12:53,405 --> 01:12:56,885
Speaker 3: store owner who finds a passageway to a mysterious liminal

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01:12:56,925 --> 01:12:59,445
Speaker 3: space in his basement, is just the first in what

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01:12:59,525 --> 01:13:02,285
Speaker 3: Parsons hopes will be a series of techno thriller movies

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01:13:02,325 --> 01:13:05,764
Speaker 3: about that liminal space, popularly known as the back rooms.

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Speaker 3: The cult around this series and the future Parsons imagines

1366
01:13:09,405 --> 01:13:12,245
Speaker 3: for it all reminded us of another micro horror movie

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Speaker 3: that spawned a cult following, nineteen seventy nine Phantasm, which

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Speaker 3: also concerns a mysterious portal to another world, what lives there,

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Speaker 3: and how it connects with our world. There's another pretty

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01:13:22,805 --> 01:13:25,245
Speaker 3: crucial connection as well, but we can't discuss that yet

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Speaker 3: without spoiling an important part of both movies, So this

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01:13:28,125 --> 01:13:30,365
Speaker 3: would be a good time to get ahead of this discussion.

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Speaker 3: For now, let's just say that both of those movies

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01:13:32,405 --> 01:13:34,725
Speaker 3: are firm creators who've built a cult following out of

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01:13:34,765 --> 01:13:37,884
Speaker 3: exploring a single, unique mythos around two linked worlds.

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Speaker 2: For now, we welcome your feedback on Shogun Assassin, the

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01:13:40,925 --> 01:13:43,445
Speaker 2: Mandalorian and Grogu and anything else so I'm related. You'd

1378
01:13:43,485 --> 01:13:46,085
Speaker 2: like to talk about email us at comments at nextpsshow

1379
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Speaker 2: dot net or leave us a voicemail at seven seven

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Speaker 2: three two three four nine seven three zero. Before we

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Speaker 2: close out this week's episode, where can we find Everyone?

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01:13:53,605 --> 01:13:55,445
Speaker 2: These days? We'll start with our guest Matt. Where can

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01:13:55,485 --> 01:13:55,925
Speaker 2: we find you?

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01:13:56,525 --> 01:14:00,285
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm still working at screen Crush ScreenCrush dot com.

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01:14:00,645 --> 01:14:03,365
Speaker 4: We've written some stuff about the Mandalorian and Grogu there.

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01:14:03,605 --> 01:14:06,285
Speaker 4: I wrote a review. I also did a piece with

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Speaker 4: my daughter about the movie. What she thought of it. Oh,

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01:14:09,925 --> 01:14:13,365
Speaker 4: that's really fun. I am hosting.

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Speaker 2: There was our menu? Was our menu that you ate?

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Speaker 4: There was not, but my daughter was very excited to try.

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Speaker 4: I forget the exact name, but it was a Grogu

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01:14:24,125 --> 01:14:28,845
Speaker 4: branded drink in the Coca Cola Freestyle machine that was

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01:14:28,965 --> 01:14:32,485
Speaker 4: bright green, and she liked it so much she refused

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01:14:32,525 --> 01:14:34,605
Speaker 4: to throw it away and brought it home on the

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Speaker 4: subway and was like nursing it all the way home.

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Speaker 4: And she called it Grogu Blood and she was enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's a sick puppy. What can I say. I'm

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01:14:44,885 --> 01:14:46,604
Speaker 4: not doing a good job over here. I might as well,

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01:14:46,645 --> 01:14:49,085
Speaker 4: be carrying her along the demon Road to Hell.

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01:14:49,405 --> 01:14:51,604
Speaker 3: She might be carrying you on the demon Road to Hell.

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01:14:51,645 --> 01:14:54,445
Speaker 4: I mean, we're all thinking it. We're all thinking it.

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01:14:54,765 --> 01:14:57,724
Speaker 4: But yeah, so I'm doing that being a great dad.

1404
01:14:58,525 --> 01:15:01,605
Speaker 4: I host Film Spotting SVU that's every week, which I

1405
01:15:01,685 --> 01:15:03,765
Speaker 4: believe is in the main film spotting feed. We've also

1406
01:15:03,805 --> 01:15:06,725
Speaker 4: got our own feed that we're kind of getting up

1407
01:15:06,725 --> 01:15:08,325
Speaker 4: and running, so you can look for that if you

1408
01:15:08,365 --> 01:15:10,485
Speaker 4: want to subscribe to just that show or just get

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Speaker 4: it in the main film spoting feed. And yeah, my

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Speaker 4: next book, Funny Business about Hollywood comedies of the two thousands,

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Speaker 4: that comes out on October sixth, but it is available

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01:15:21,685 --> 01:15:23,405
Speaker 4: for pre order. You can get it anywhere you like

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01:15:23,445 --> 01:15:26,325
Speaker 4: getting books. You can find that. You can pre order it,

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01:15:26,725 --> 01:15:29,965
Speaker 4: and it comes out on October sixth. Tasha, where can

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01:15:30,005 --> 01:15:30,604
Speaker 4: we find you?

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01:15:31,405 --> 01:15:34,805
Speaker 3: Well, you can find me sitting around the house. This

1417
01:15:34,845 --> 01:15:37,805
Speaker 3: is a pretty new thing. But I was laid off

1418
01:15:37,805 --> 01:15:41,965
Speaker 3: from Polygon recently as part of the massive shrinkage of

1419
01:15:42,005 --> 01:15:46,684
Speaker 3: the Internet going on due to various Google shenanigans, meaning

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01:15:46,845 --> 01:15:51,564
Speaker 3: nobody's getting any traffic anymore. So I'm still writing freelance

1421
01:15:51,565 --> 01:15:55,445
Speaker 3: stuff for Polygon. I am writing for Vulture, now doing

1422
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Speaker 3: TV recaps of the new season of Game Changer on Dropout,

1423
01:15:59,805 --> 01:16:04,885
Speaker 3: my obsession, my favorite thing on television, my favorite thing

1424
01:16:04,925 --> 01:16:08,085
Speaker 3: of like the last ten months has just been discovering

1425
01:16:08,165 --> 01:16:11,725
Speaker 3: Dropout and getting deeper and deeper into their well. So

1426
01:16:12,525 --> 01:16:16,644
Speaker 3: very excited to be writing about their flagship show, the biggest,

1427
01:16:16,685 --> 01:16:20,405
Speaker 3: most ambitious, most nonsensical thing they do. Other than that,

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01:16:21,245 --> 01:16:23,805
Speaker 3: I've reached out to some people about freelancing. I've had

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01:16:23,845 --> 01:16:26,125
Speaker 3: some people reach out to me about freelancing, but I

1430
01:16:26,165 --> 01:16:29,245
Speaker 3: want to take it slow for a little while because

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01:16:29,405 --> 01:16:33,485
Speaker 3: the past year of work in particular has been just

1432
01:16:33,765 --> 01:16:40,485
Speaker 3: such stressful, like body and brain wrecking chaos, that I

1433
01:16:40,485 --> 01:16:43,525
Speaker 3: would like to not be doing all of that for

1434
01:16:43,685 --> 01:16:46,525
Speaker 3: a little while. I'm actually working on some other projects

1435
01:16:46,525 --> 01:16:50,325
Speaker 3: that have nothing to do with film criticism or cultural writing.

1436
01:16:51,125 --> 01:16:53,405
Speaker 3: So if I kind of lay back here for a

1437
01:16:53,405 --> 01:16:55,325
Speaker 3: little while, and the answer to where we can find

1438
01:16:55,365 --> 01:16:57,725
Speaker 3: you is, I don't know, come over to my house

1439
01:16:57,725 --> 01:17:01,405
Speaker 3: and say hi, I don't take it too seriously or

1440
01:17:01,445 --> 01:17:04,644
Speaker 3: to a miss, And I'm on Blue Sky at Tasha

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Speaker 3: Robinson Keith, what about you.

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Speaker 2: I'm also on Blue Sky at Sasha Robins. No, no, I'm

1443
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Speaker 2: a Blue Sky as kfif three thousand on a letterbox

1444
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Speaker 2: there as well. I'm freelance writer. You can find me

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Speaker 2: at Vulture and tv Guide and I got a piece

1446
01:17:19,325 --> 01:17:21,845
Speaker 2: coming up in Slate, so that's that's cool. But mostly

1447
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Speaker 2: you can find me at the Review, which is the

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Speaker 2: movies newsletter at co write with our absent co host

1449
01:17:26,645 --> 01:17:30,405
Speaker 2: Scott Tobias. That's the Reveal dot Film. We've got reviews,

1450
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Speaker 2: We've got essays, we got I'm doing a whole thing

1451
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Speaker 2: of looking at movies that played drive ins fifty years ago.

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Speaker 2: That's and that's that's been a lot of fun. And

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1456
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Speaker 2: our Patreon, Patreon is also good thing to support here

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Speaker 2: at Next Picture Show. You can stay updated on the

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Speaker 2: Next Picture Show at Next Picture Show dot net and

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Speaker 2: on Blue Sky at the Next Picture Show. You can

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Speaker 2: reviews on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or wherever you listen

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Speaker 2: to the show. Thanks to Dan the Bakes Jakes for

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Speaker 2: his assistants producing this podcast. The Next Picture Show is

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Speaker 2: probably part of the Film Spotting family of podcasts. Please

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Speaker 2: tune in next time.

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Speaker 3: But it was a good movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seen here before once