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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Racket Magazine podcast. This is episode

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Speaker 1: number three of our third season. Day Can you believe

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Speaker 1: we've been doing this for three years?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I know, I met you half I met you, but

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Speaker 1: it's our third season that I met you.

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Speaker 2: Three years ago at Indian Wells. Yeah, three years ago,

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Speaker 2: two years you, It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: This was out third time in any and Well, so right,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, don't confuse me.

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Speaker 2: This coronavirus is still going around. Anything is possible.

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Speaker 1: We had the sort of strange experience of being the

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Speaker 1: only people with microphones after the border closed. When we

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Speaker 1: were at Indian Wells a few weeks ago, we got

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Speaker 1: some great interviews, one that you got to do without

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Speaker 1: me that I was so jealous about because I absolutely adore,

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Speaker 1: adore this player. Yeah, the way she plays with fearlessness

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Speaker 1: and she's just so badass. Is Arena Sabalanca.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of players on too. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there's certain players that are just always smile every time

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Speaker 3: I see them, or thankfully they smile every time they

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Speaker 3: and that's Arena Sablanca. Like she just I just think

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Speaker 3: I didn't really want to get into talking about her father,

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Speaker 2: Brought him up in the podcast, and that's.

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Speaker 3: Where I sort of start delving into, you know, how

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Speaker 3: But you know, when she brought his name up in

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Speaker 2: But she's a great kid. I just I love her.

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Speaker 1: I use her as an example a lot for friends

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Speaker 1: of mine who don't watch tennis, and if they asked

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Speaker 1: me like, oh, well, whose match should I watch? And

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Speaker 1: I usually say, try to watch one of Arena Sablanca's

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Speaker 1: They're exciting because it shows you the best of creative tennis,

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Speaker 1: for strike tennis, you know, really aggressive tennis. But also

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Speaker 1: you get the sense that she's just kind of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you've got to put your helmet on before

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Speaker 2: But she's like this amazon of a woman and you

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Speaker 1: I love when they're just like total warriors on the court,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's how I put She's a personality we need

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Speaker 2: inside because it's a lot mentioned it's mentally tough as right,

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Speaker 2: it's tough, and I mean you can't prepare yourself for

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Speaker 2: don't know when it's gonna stop. You know, yeah it's

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Speaker 2: for now, it's six weeks. But for them it's gonna

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Speaker 2: this is a good moment because nobody is playing and

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Speaker 3: Roger Federick is the greatest player of all time because

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Speaker 2: That's true. I mean, how good is all?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: I want to go back a little bit though, to

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Speaker 3: I mean, do you think that seeing people before you

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Speaker 2: Honestly, yeah, I was just like you've gone, You're like

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Speaker 3: Aldo, I think, would you consider yourself to be friendly

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Speaker 2: I think I was just like, you know, like open

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Speaker 2: I want to bring in like Dimitri tossing off, who's

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Speaker 3: that you played, and he came out into the court

438
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Speaker 3: and he didn't say a word to you.

439
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Speaker 2: Do you remember the speech? Okay? Can you explain to

440
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Speaker 2: everyone what happened?

441
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 3: Because it's one of the funniest, Like it's it's not

442
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 3: only one of the funniest moments that we've ever seen,

443
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,239
Speaker 3: but also it shows your relationship with him, and it

444
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,959
Speaker 3: also shows you how important it is the coach relationship

445
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 3: with the player. And also, like you said, understanding you

446
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 3: as a person and also getting the best out of you.

447
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 3: And a good coach is also somebody that will take

448
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Speaker 3: a hit, you know what I mean, Like they'll they'll

449
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 3: say something and they'll take it like it's my fault.

450
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Speaker 2: But then there's always the ones to go. Do you

451
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: want to explain that situation? Well, yeah, before the match

452
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: he was I just always tell him, like, well I

453
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 2: need to know like tactic and all all things about

454
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 2: the march day before. I don't want to hear anything

455
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 2: about the march like in the day of like they

456
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 2: were playing when we were playing, and like, well, what

457
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: do you want to hear? What do you want to

458
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Speaker 2: hear the day of What do I mean like on

459
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Speaker 2: the day the day off, what do you want to

460
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Speaker 2: hear even day before the day of the match. Then

461
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Speaker 2: what do you want from him?

462
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 4: Just hey, let's just go, let's do this, just like

463
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 4: I like, give me some drills which gonna prepare me for.

464
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Speaker 2: The match, and that's it, Like like some you don't

465
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 2: want to be complicated on the day of your match, Yes,

466
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Speaker 2: I mean not tactics, Like yeah, you can say anything

467
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: about like well my behavior or about them like more

468
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: mental things, not about like tac tactics. So I'm like,

469
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Speaker 2: right before the match, she came to me and starts

470
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: saying like, well, here she's doing this. Sorry, here she's

471
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: doing this like on that point, she's doing this like

472
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Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. And I'm like I was

473
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Speaker 2: like already shaken and just like don't don't touch me

474
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,959
Speaker 2: right now, just lend me arm up, you know what.

475
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: And he's like okay, whatever. And after that on the match,

476
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 2: I already just saw his face.

477
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 4: Like like this, he was seeing like no emotion, no

478
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Speaker 4: emotions at all.

479
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Speaker 3: And I was like, so you're you're getting the thumbs out.

480
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 3: You're pissed at him. Then he called him out right, yeah,

481
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:34,719
Speaker 3: told him out.

482
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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, what should I do? Because I was

483
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 2: like one six dollars or like it's a one tour

484
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: or something like. So I was like, she's getting it.

485
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Speaker 1: Yes.

486
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Speaker 2: I was just like she was killing me that much.

487
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 2: And he just like comes out and sits there and

488
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Speaker 2: say yes, yes.

489
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Speaker 4: He didn't say anything, yeah what happened after the because

490
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 4: I'm assuming you lost the match?

491
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Speaker 2: I love that much. I was screaming him like it's

492
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 2: all your fault, like if I call you that that

493
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: means that I need you and you just you should

494
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: tell me something like just like what's wrong with you? Man?

495
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 3: And then like then he said his speech about well

496
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: it was trying to tell you what to do before

497
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Speaker 3: the match, and then you're like, I don't want to hear.

498
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: During the match. But okay, so that was like Indian walls,

499
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 2: Like what two years ago, three years ago, one one,

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Speaker 2: one year ago, last year.

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Speaker 2: That I was like a try.

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Speaker 3: There was a period of time from then on, like

509
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Speaker 3: for the rest of the year that you struggled.

510
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Speaker 2: To bed, right, I mean there was on and off moments, yeah,

511
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: because like yeah, because before I couldn't say anything to him.

512
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: I was just like listening to here, whatever he's saying.

513
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: Whenever he's saying whatever. And at one point, like I

514
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: realized like, okay, I had to play here, you know,

515
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 2: and like I started to be a little bit like

516
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: everybody a dia something like that.

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Speaker 3: So you went through a period of time then towards

518
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Speaker 3: the end of last year, before the year, soaper one

519
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 3: was a tough one for you because you'd had this

520
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: amazing twelve months and everyone's expecting you to be Osaka

521
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Speaker 3: winning Grand Slams.

522
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Speaker 2: There's nothing to lose in only was much easier.

523
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I don't think people understand how hard

524
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Speaker 3: it is to come back a one year later though,

525
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: have a it's all a sophomore slump, you know, like

526
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Speaker 3: your second year when everybody knows you, they know your

527
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: strengths and your weaknesses.

528
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Speaker 2: Like how hard was that? Almost to keep being positive?

529
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 2: I wasn't positive all that. We had that small conversation.

530
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: It is so fun. Yeah, So I wasn't positive, but

531
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: I was still practicing, still working, like because on the practice,

532
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: I couldn't think about all this ship happened. I was

533
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: just like keep going, keep going. Then of the court,

534
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: I was like thinking, like whoa, what's what's wrong? What's

535
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: gonna happen? Like you fell? Was this point, like and

536
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 2: all these things going through my mind, and yeah.

537
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Speaker 3: You stop being the warrior. You started being a warrior. Yes,

538
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: that's right exactly that happened.

539
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: Like your reputation is a warrior, Like you're like that check.

540
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: I think you put a sword in your arms and

541
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: you're like in a slave someone's head off and run

542
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: through fire, and that's your personality.

543
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 2: But that's how you. I felt like, yeah, I felt

544
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Speaker 2: I was needed to go through this spirit just to

545
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: realize why. I'm really like like what should I do?

546
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: How how should they think on the court? On the

547
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: like all the court, and like what should I be

548
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 2: care about?

549
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Speaker 3: You know?

550
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I do.

551
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: The little backstory for everybody is that I did see

552
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: you at the US Open in the locker room and

553
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: you'd had a bit of a rough couple of months

554
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: in singles and then was it before you won the

555
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: US Open or after you won the USAP and doubles?

556
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: I think it was before before, and you kind of

557
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: had that lost look of a puppy dog, like I

558
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: don't know what I'm doing out here anymore. And I

559
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 3: see the whole arena, I go, this is such a

560
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 3: long life that you have ahead of you. Like their

561
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: apperiods in tennis world where you have downs and you've.

562
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: Got so much.

563
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 3: No, I understand when I was spoking about yeah, well

564
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 3: but it's that's what it is, right, It's.

565
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: Maturity and its experience. And then you had a phenomenal end.

566
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: Of the year, right you won the US Oven doubles,

567
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: which you probably never thought in your whole life.

568
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: You were in a Grand slamon doubles. Yeah, I mean,

569
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: but how much did that help?

570
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 3: Playing doubles and having the success with the lease during

571
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: the time where you were not having the success in

572
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Speaker 3: singles that you were expecting to have.

573
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Speaker 2: Honestly, I found myself through after doubles, you know, like

574
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 2: we've been playing a lot of marches and uh, you

575
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: hit the ball and it's much nervous going through, and

576
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: I just found consistency. Consistency. Yeahlish is amazing, by the

577
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 2: way it is. It's I know, it's okay.

578
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: No, no, You're English is amazing, seriously, So go on, okay, thank.

579
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 2: You, thank you for supporting, Thank you going with your

580
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: amazing English. Okay. So, yeah, I found my consistency in

581
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: the game through not through well through after doubles, on

582
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 2: the doubles, and yeah, would you would you just yeah.

583
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: I was like really, you know, like believe in my shirts,

584
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: filled my shots, and like like after your so open,

585
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: I knew like, well, okay, I'm playing really well. Okay

586
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: it was doubles. We're not moving a little, but I

587
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: feel my shots feel like you know, like, well you

588
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: still have to hit the right shot at the right

589
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: time under pressure. Yeah, And it was like the last

590
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: three matches the USA was really that one and I

591
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: need to push myself really really hard to win it,

592
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: so like focus and it still was like like, m

593
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: just trust me. That's how I made my living. But

594
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: so yeah, I just found my game, like the U.

595
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: Soap and doubles, Yeah, and the doubles and kick started

596
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: you into this fantastic end of the year run and

597
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: you won.

598
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: And let's self care about the points. I just follow

599
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: myself like okay, fuck it, Okay, I'll drop in the ranking,

600
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: but okay I dropped and then now I'll go back

601
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: on it. Yeah it's okay.

602
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 3: Do you say to yourself, like I think one of

603
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: the important things is to say what am I going

604
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: to get better at today?

605
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: Not what what happened that was terrible today? Are you

606
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: a glass half full of glass empty person.

607
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: Ah for good that comes from your your dad, I

608
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: think yes, yes, because I mean from what I you

609
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: have even told me today, like your dad was an

610
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: incredibly stive influence for you, which is not necessarily something

611
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: you hear a lot from Russian Belarusine.

612
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, parents are pretty like straightforward. Now say it was

613
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: really smart, Like during my career he was he wasn't

614
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: pushing me. He was pushing me, like stop throwing the

615
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: right kids, stop like this fucking like you you're twelve

616
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: years old. I remember this speech. You're twelve, twelve years

617
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: old than you already broke like six rkets are freaking

618
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: crazy or what like. He was just like so like

619
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Speaker 2: busy that he was just like how like what the

620
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: movie is you? Do you feel like that was just

621
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: like pushing me?

622
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: So it was more your behavior, which seems to be

623
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: a common thing I'm hearing from your dad, your coach.

624
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

625
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: Do you feel like that is one area that is

626
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: definitely getting better for you right now? Yes?

627
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I feel like I'm more calm on

628
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: the court, like and especially after my dad realized that

629
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: it's so many things in life where you can feel

630
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: that emmorphens and likes it's not that. Yeah, how did that?

631
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: How did that affect you and make things real? Well,

632
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: it's changed me, shanged me a lot. Like where were

633
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: you when it happened? Yea? So how much did that

634
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: emotionally change you? When that happened to your father? Completely?

635
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: Like everything inside of me changed? I like nothing, I mean,

636
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: like how to say, that's that happened? I realized that

637
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: nothing is there's important in life, Like there are a

638
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: lot worse things than losing a tennis match. Yes, all right,

639
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: yeah I'm old.

640
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot. No, but I mean do you

641
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: think do you think about him? Like when you're playing

642
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: in the difficult moments, It's like to be honest.

643
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: Like what would he say to you know? No, I

644
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: wasn't thinking like that, but like yeah maybe like after

645
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: the matches, I was always almost crying because I never

646
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: get the message from him. And yeah, and that was

647
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: like in Doha every day I was almost crying. I

648
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: couldn't cry because I didn't want to, you know, like

649
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: expand the energy. Yes, I was just like okay, I'll

650
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: keep it. And then after the tournament, I was trying

651
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: of like I like on the on the way back

652
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: I wasn't fucking cry.

653
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: So how much did Dmitry health in that time because

654
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: he knew you so well done?

655
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: Honestly, we had a big fight when it's happened in

656
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: MNSK and I just said, like, fuckle from here, I

657
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: don't want to see you anymore. And then later on

658
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: the season I realized that it wasn't like a smart decision.

659
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: I was so much emotional confusion, probably like yeah, I.

660
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: Was just like saying off to everybody who was was

661
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: saying anything me on that period, Like I know I

662
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: did something strong for him and he was upsetted them

663
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: and he like, you couldn't think about me in the moment.

664
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's why I just said off. And then

665
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: there was and when was that? When was that? When

666
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: did you tell him that moment? Like like uh uh

667
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: this on the beginning of December? Yeah, of last year? Yeah, yeah,

668
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: last year ago. Yeah.

669
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: And so when you went then to China and you

670
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: played shin Zen, which you won, Like what was you won? No?

671
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: No, no, it's happened this.

672
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: Last December, just recently, like four months ago. Which tournament

673
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: did you win at the start of the year did

674
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: you win?

675
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: Oh? That was last year? Right, yeah it was last year.

676
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 2: Last year.

677
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm getting my years mixed up, which happens

678
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: too when you get older.

679
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: But no, but like when you came to Australia then

680
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: with everything that had happened, Like how difficult was it

681
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: to start there?

682
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: You know, everyone's like it's the happy swam and you're like,

683
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: funk off, I'm not right now or or were you

684
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: ready to start?

685
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: You know that things hurt your later, so on them

686
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: and that they said didn't realize what happened. I was

687
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, just keep going for him. And still

688
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: I just keep going for him. And uh. And like

689
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: in the Australia Open, the already was on the phone

690
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: is Dmitri, so he was helping me a little bit.

691
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was a little bit like less like

692
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: less stress and you know yeah, and then of course

693
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: you went in the Middle East. You had a great

694
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: waight there and he was there to Maitri was there

695
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: obviously Yeah for me as much you when he was there.

696
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: I don't know why. You know, like it's like it's

697
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: a calming influence for you.

698
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 3: He's very calming at times, yes, and then sometimes you

699
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 3: want to kill him.

700
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he wants to kill you too. So yes,

701
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: it's old. I mean the problem is the fear the

702
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: same as him. Yeah, so we're like I've ever seen

703
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: it's okay, okay, and then one moment like bomb and

704
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: then again okay. So yeah, this is the problem. If

705
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: it could be like more gold and more and cooler something,

706
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: but would make would that make you you? Like that

707
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: wouldn't make you the player that you are. I mean

708
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: the thing that I maybe the thing about you that

709
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: is so difficult to play against or coach against, is that.

710
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: You never know, like you could be down or you

711
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 3: could be ahead, and then you're unbelievable when you're down.

712
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: It's like this, you don't change the way you play.

713
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: You hit and you hit and you hit and you

714
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: keep coming and you keep coming. Is that what you're

715
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 3: telling yourself all the time, like just keep fighting, keep pushing, keep.

716
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: Hitting, like, don't call I'm not saying like to myself,

717
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: I keep hitting because honestly, I don't feel that they

718
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 2: hit the ball that hard. I feel like it's sometimes

719
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: it's too slow that sometimes I hit like or hit

720
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: it yeah, because for me, it feels like I'm like

721
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: playing too soft and it's really comfortable to my opening.

722
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: That's just like a little bit yeah push, So I

723
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: don't feel that they hit the ball, and I don't know.

724
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: I'm too strong and like for me, it's just like

725
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: m natural, you know, so I don't try to hit

726
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 2: the ball, just like you're very intimidating. You're very intimidating,

727
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: and that's a good thing. Okay, okay.

728
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the tattoos because I

729
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 3: wouldn't be remiss if I didn't ask you about your tattoos,

730
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: because my podcast partner Caitlin has like seven tattoos as well,

731
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 3: and she wanted to compare her tattoos to you, but

732
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 3: she wasn't here.

733
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: How many do you have? Well, you just have that one,

734
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: just the big I just tiger. Yeah. Do you want anymore?

735
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: I yeah. I wanted to make something which can to

736
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: remind me of my father, but then my mom told me,

737
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: you can do some other thinks, so like remember your father, Yeah,

738
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: to remember your father. And I was like, okay, so

739
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: but for now I have this though, Why don't you

740
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: make a double bet?

741
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: Why don't you make a bet with your mom that

742
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: you win a Grand Slam for your father and then

743
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: you get the tattoo.

744
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 2: I mean she can control me. If she can control

745
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: can she cannot control you? Yes, you can. Nobody can

746
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: control me since since I was fifteen years old. Fifteen fifteen,

747
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: Well that's pretty old. Yes, that's pretty good. What do

748
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: you what do you see? Like what?

749
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: Everybody wants to win a Grand Slam, everybody wants to

750
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: be number one in the world. I guess my question

751
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 3: to you is you know if there was one Slam

752
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: that you feel.

753
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that's I can do this or are they

754
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: all there for you? Yeah? I can feel that they

755
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: can do well on all of them, even from the

756
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: clack cord. I mean I kind of finding my game

757
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: on the click cord. Stuff like it. I don't know,

758
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: like at some point but I don't know why, but

759
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: I always was dreaming like my father coming come on

760
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: the French Open and they wring it. So yeah, for me,

761
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: it's like I really want to do in French Open first.

762
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: Oh there, I'll pick all all of them. I think

763
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: you should make Demetri get a tattoo as well. When

764
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: you want a Slam. It will never make it. Know

765
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: he was Is he scared of the needle? No, it's

766
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: just like this is his personality. He thinks it's stupid

767
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: and it's like what for all right, last couple of questions,

768
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: because you've been amazing to join me.

769
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: What if there's one match that you could redo again?

770
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: Which one would it be? Against those I will? I

771
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: will tell you that. But what would you do differently

772
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 2: other than win? Yeah? Of course I would be more

773
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: like I'll try to because I had to break up.

774
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: I think so, And that would be more calm and

775
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: not like rash the situational myself time, like take more time, right,

776
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: don't you think that though? That's the thing that I

777
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: will let her play and let her win that point

778
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: then like every time, go for the winners and like

779
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 2: try to finish, finish the point or too quick, too quick?

780
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but don't you think Also because I've spoken, we

781
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 3: spoke to s Atlanta because nets of a couple of

782
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: days ago, and she said every loss for me was

783
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: a building block basically like a lego to learn what

784
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: I need to do.

785
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, and like all my teams said, like

786
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: you need it, it's it's you needed. That moment is

787
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: a good lesson, Like you have to learn a lot

788
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: of things from this, Marge. But I feel like not

789
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: that much, yeah whatever, like but that much I wanted doing?

790
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: And what after tennis? Like do you have any things

791
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: like that you really love to do? Like once you know,

792
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: because I mean obviously we all know the tennis finishes

793
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: at some stages, there's something that you would you want

794
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 3: to do, like outside, I want to have.

795
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: Kids as much as I can. I want to have

796
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: three or four, and I don't have that much start

797
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: half for career soul just keep going. Yeah, but like

798
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: also like like some shorting for the show photography, yeah, photography,

799
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: but I don't know of everything like me be like

800
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: you want to know you want to take the photos

801
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: or you want to be the mode. I want to

802
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: be the Oh damn, okay, all right, I don't know.

803
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: I do love your Instagram.

804
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: I loved the photo of you in China when you

805
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: did the Samurai post with the kick.

806
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: That was so cool. It was Yes, it was really cool.

807
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: Maybe we can have an arena Saberlenka calendar. You do

808
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: some like crazy ship like photos like hanging upside.

809
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 2: Down from like a bungee cord or something like doing

810
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: you ship like that?

811
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 3: Do you do you do any study or anything like that?

812
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: Because like some players they do they like to keep

813
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: their minds busy, or you when you stop.

814
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: I hate I hate studying. We love honesty. You hate study.

815
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: I hate his study too. Reading. Do you like to read? Yeah?

816
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: I like to read, but I don't know what I

817
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: would do length we're still so young.

818
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: Can you believe though, like when you look back on

819
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 3: like where you were ten years ago, can you believe

820
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: like the opportunities that you have now?

821
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: Is it crazy to you in some respects like the

822
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: money you make or the expression like I was just

823
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: you know when I was even right now, I'm not

824
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: thinking like that far. I'm just like you're going. And

825
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: then if somebody could ask me on that time, like, well,

826
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: you know, like in five or whatever, how many years

827
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: you'll be here where I am right now? I would say, like, oh,

828
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 2: maybe we'll see. Yeah.

829
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: But it's unique because a lot of people don't realize,

830
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 3: like how not insecure that's not the right word, but

831
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: how there are one or two places that were always

832
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: like they were.

833
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: Born in a Serena. It is just like her dad

834
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: telling you she was going to be number one in

835
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: the world. When she says the press, I want to

836
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: be number one in the world when.

837
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 3: I'm ten and it's just a unique, very unique and

838
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: beans and then ninety eight percent of everybody else on

839
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: the tour is like, fuck me, am I really doing this?

840
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: Like this is crazy? This is amazing, great, I'm working hard. Yes,

841
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: I deserve it. But you don't wake up going yeah,

842
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: I'm amazing, I'm gonna be amazing, Like that doesn't happen. Yeah,

843
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: it's you find yourself. Like I feel like even Serene

844
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: Man couldn't know that she will be No, she is like, okay,

845
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: everybody can like keep sending me on that like you'll

846
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: be number one, You'll be number one, Okay, but how

847
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: could you How can you know that? I mean, it's

848
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: gonna be and at the same time it can not happen.

849
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if it does happen, then you go, wow,

850
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: this ship, this just happened.

851
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 2: This is amazing. But I just everybody in home makes

852
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: it special. It makes you special? Is that your goal? Yes,

853
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: to be special? And number one, I'm just kidding special.

854
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: I think number one, Well, I'm gonna you want to

855
00:42:59,160 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: be a special.

856
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: Number one, Well, I can say on behalf of me

857
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 3: and Caitlin and all our tennis fans and Racket pod.

858
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: Fans and everybody. You are absolutely one of my favorite people.

859
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 2: You are one of my.

860
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: Favorite people on the road. You're one of my favorite

861
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: people to commentate. You're not because it's all definitely not

862
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: one of my favorite people to coach against. But you

863
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 3: always have a smile on your face. You're often not always,

864
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: but most of the time, you're always in a positive

865
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: like just you love the people around you. Sometimes you're

866
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: tough on them, but overall you're like, there's not many

867
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: like you. So when you get to number one, not

868
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: if when I will change, You won't change, and.

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Speaker 2: You'll definitely be a special number one. Certainly. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: that's always what's going for? Yeah, thank you, Thanks.

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Speaker 1: And what's it for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Our host is Renee Stubbs. Our co host and producer

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Speaker 1: is me Caitlin Thompson. Music by internationally renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to tim or Jerring and the team at ACAST.

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Speaker 1: Find us at racketmag dot com, slash podcast, and subscribe

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Speaker 1: to us at any of your favorite podcasters