WEBVTT - Doing Your Own Stunts With Mark Hamill 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.280 Yeah, it was crazy. It was sort of like, oh, 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:04.960 this is what must be like for Mick jagger. 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:07.400 Man. What's handed man? 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:09.800 You got Marshaw Bismall Lynch. 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.400 Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Newsome and you're listening to politics 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:15.440 you know, to be you knowing to be. 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:28.800 Hey, Marshawn, what about this? I mean, it's it's it's 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.120 been like Christmas for me. Early the greatest coach of 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:36.040 all time, our good friend of the program who many 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:37.920 people don't realize that you and Bill are good friends, 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.680 Bill Belichick, Bill Belichick, the head coach the North Carolina 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:43.440 I mean, Marshawn, what's your thoughts on that? 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:44.120 Man? 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:48.440 That's crazy? That is crazy considering we just talked to 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:55.000 Grunt and uh edam Man and edam I said he 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:56.160 one hundred. 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:00.600 Guaranteed that he would give back the coaching. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:03.360 Well, here's my thought. People are like, why is he 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.480 doing this? This is crazy? But like at the end 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.520 of the day, like we always say, we're on borrowed 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.959 fucking time. And so if you if your coaching is 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.919 in your blood, you think Bill's insider on the condo 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:14.040 in Florida and just chilling. 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:15.959 Yeah, but I think but the big back to coach. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:17.520 Of course he wants to coach, and he said that, 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:19.480 he said, they said, why do you want to do this? 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.480 There's better than a job, he says, I love what 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.600 I do. But what about all those NFL teams that 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.560 were that were I like, I look, I think a 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:29.240 lot of them. I think a lot of them missed 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.440 the boat. I think that, But you got you. We 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.680 were talking about Bloody Monday a couple of weeks ago 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.840 on the podcast Coming It's Coming hasn't even come, and 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.080 then all those opportunities to present themselves anew every one 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:40.800 of these head coaches. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.640 I think the problem is the perception on Coach is 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.000 that they think he's going to come in and have 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.520 his own people do his own thing instead of being 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.600 open to possibly work with others, et cetera. 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:53.280 Which is not I'm not saying it's the right move. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.480 I'm saying it's short sighted on these owners because it's 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.160 the greatest coach of all time. Okay, yeah, you're gonna 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.440 hire an assistant, to hire a coordinator defense court and 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:03.720 offense court un versus Bill. 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.840 I think it's crazy. But I think he said, you're 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.680 telling me, Marshawn, you think that's is accurate that he 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:14.680 wasn't likely going to get an NFL UH coaching opportunity, 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.720 and that's why he jumped it. You would see. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.040 I just don't think it would have been in the 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.120 conditions that he would apparently want. 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.200 It so more Sean, the question is these youngsters. How 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.280 will the youngsters deal with Bill? The college kids in 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.600 this transfer portal want more money going to him for money? 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:32.519 Do they want to play for him? How do you 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.240 think these guys are going to react as far as 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:35.920 the young guys in today's culture. 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.040 I mean, it's going to show a lot. It's going 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:41.840 to show, uh you know with those youngsters, like is 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.000 they really in it for you know what, I mean, 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.480 to be the best player or if they just in 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.480 it for a bag and a lot of that shit 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.760 is going to show because we're just talking to a 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:56.240 lot of players that play for him, like like he 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.799 he no fucking joke when it comes to you, I 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:03.000 mean playing off. So if that's not what you're about, 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:07.520 then you probably not gonna make it over there, most definitely. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.040 But he don'na he gonna weed out. And I mean, 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.360 you know, you look at it he took you know, 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:17.480 he take late round drafted individuals and he gonna build 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.840 super teams with him. So I mean, you know it's 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.760 he it's anything to do it. And then I mean, 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:25.640 you know, just the fact that he'll be able to 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.120 get exactly the kind of players that he won't then 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.280 that shiit just will take care of everything. Because once 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:36.160 you buy into the program, then it's hard to uh 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:37.320 to to. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:37.560 To be beat. 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.560 Which is why I think he had so much success, 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.240 you know, I mean, especially with with the guys that 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.400 he had. It wasn't like he had a team full 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:52.440 of fucking uh superstars. He took guys and then turned 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:58.520 them into superstars because they bought into his program. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.720 Well, now, look like the college is a an NFL system, 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:02.640 gut and you have a salary cap of twelve thirteen 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.320 million bucks. You got to spend one hundred players, and 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.760 so you now have to figure out what value upon 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:11.160 the quarterback, the running back, O line, transfer, portal guys 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.840 and all that stuff. So Bill can manage this now. 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:15.920 Because he's got that NFL mindset. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.839 And he spent a lot of time University Washington with 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.680 my client Jed Fish, his son was coordinator up there, 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:23.080 to learn what to do. 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:24.919 But This brings me back to the Wether way. You 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.400 know what, that Washington experience may explain a lot of 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.960 this one hundred percent like not overstated. Yeah, because it 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:31.840 was interesting. You were telling me this time last year 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.960 how much time Bill was actually spending up there. Yeah, 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.680 and hanging out, walking around engaged. That was kind of 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.159 an earthly got to know it and he got to 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.400 like it. Interesting. Yeah, I didn't even think about that 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:42.680 in the. 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.520 Co for for our audience. One of the great stories. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:46.840 I don't know if you remember more Sean a couple 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.479 years ago, we leave it. We leave a lunch and 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.400 there's media and coach and we get in the car 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.960 and I'll never forget I'm in the I think I'm 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.520 in the very back seat, and you and Bill are 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.040 in the in the in the front seat, and where 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.680 Sean looks at Bill as a coach, I fuck with you, 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.280 and he's like, no, no, no, really fuck with you. Bill 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.120 looks at him. It's like Marshawn, I fuck with you too. 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.520 He's like no, no, no, coach, you don't understand. I really 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.120 fuck you with you. And Bill's like dude. And there 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.440 was a love fest between Marshawn and Bill and I 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.080 think Marshaun correct me if I'm wrong. You then said, coach, 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:18.760 by the way you do, will be in one of 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:19.279 these rings. 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.120 Yeah, you won't be one of these rings. Remember that. 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.520 I do remember that. It's hard to people that don't 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.839 know Belichick don't know what a great guy he is. 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.320 Great guy, and I mean you see him on and 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.440 even the way Marshawn was describing him. If you're not 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.000 bought into the program, you're out of the program. It's 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.440 one thing on the field when he's coaching, that's sort 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:40.920 of a different Bill Belichick. 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.599 But off the field, there's nothing. If you're in Bill's orbit, 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.840 he's he's family like I. For whatever reason, Bill and 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:49.360 I have gotten to be very close, and I was 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.640 always one of the only agency ever dealt with and 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.479 communicating with. But if you're not in that orbit, he 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:55.799 can be a scary motherfucker. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.640 Do you remember, speaking of family, You remember we had 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.280 and this is one of my great memories. We're at 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.560 the Super Bowl. We you and I were there together. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.720 Belichick is there. He's sitting to my right and pat 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.800 Riley sitting on my left, and I We're watching the 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:18.919 forty nine ers in Miami and had Belichick and Riley, 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:20.560 who have more Super I mean Super. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.160 Bowl and by the way, the greatest hedge fun guy 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:23.280 of all time, Paul Peter Joe. 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.040 Yeah, well, of course, I mean that was there was 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.600 the reason the Mount Rushmore of people and Mount Rushmore 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:34.039 of people, but the Mount Rushmore of experiences. Every single 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:39.360 down Belichick was calling the play, literally whispering over to 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.200 Riley and I saying, they're like, they're going to do 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.560 a past, like, damn to do a pass. I'm like, 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.800 and it's second and long. You guess running. I'm like, 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:48.200 it ain't gonna be a running play. Coach. 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:52.800 He goes running, like predicted every single day you had you, 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:54.880 I mean you you. That was probably one of the 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:59.679 unique chairs ever. I mean you're sitting between what thirteen 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.919 four teen rings? It's crazy more between Belichick and Riley 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:04.960 and Riley. You know the funniest part about that too. 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.120 Riley gets up and there's someone next next to us, 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.400 and the guy. As Riley leaves, he comes up to 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.600 me says, hey, man, just wanted to introduce myself. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.160 My name is Sam. I said, hey, Sam, my name 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.360 is Gavin goes Man. It must be so cool to 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:22.040 have Pat Riley as your dad, He's not my father. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.880 You got that hair, man, it was the hair. But 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.720 that was a hell of an experience. And uh, and 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.280 that's when we got That's what I really got to 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.280 know Belichick at a different level and just matter. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.679 Respect and And what's interesting where Sean lately in the NFL, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.040 He've been seeing an NBA too, like. 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.080 All these robberies of these guys. You saw Joe. 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.800 Burrow got robbed, Gavin if you saw that mahomes Kelsey. 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.040 There is this ring across the countryes robing these athletes, 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.080 which is bizarre. So these guys are going to play 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.440 and it's a if you're if you're a Robert, it's 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.680 a brilliant move. It's almost like Ocean is eleven movie. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:54.760 These guys are playing a game Monday night and they're 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:56.760 gonna go rob Joe Burrow or whatever it may be. 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:01.800 And watch watch your Instagram, brother, watch your Instagram what 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:02.520 you put up there? 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:07.760 Man, I don't play Instagram. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:10.400 Watch your TikTok, watch your Twitter, none of that. 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.040 I don't play none of them. Ships. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.320 But yeah, I think I've just seen uh Tua said, 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:19.640 somebody had I think ran up in his car or something. 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.400 But yeah, they they they bowled, and I mean, you know, 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:28.520 I think, uh, you know, rest in peace to one 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.760 of the one of the greats, like you know that 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:36.600 happened with Sean Taylor. Yeah, you're right, And I think 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:41.000 and I think that the concept was, you know, they 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:47.840 tried to hit his house considering thinking that he you know, 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.720 he wouldn't be home, and you know just how tragic 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:56.520 that is. But uh, Tua was saying that he went 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.840 and uh he got I get some arm go. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:03.440 Yeah, I mean to be at his house when he 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.440 when he's gone leave by the talent and shit like that. Yeah. 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.120 Man, it's getting I don't want to say it's getting 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.800 but you know, now everything is you know, broadcasted through 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:15.480 social media. 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.040 Well, speaking of our guards, Moore, Sean, the insurance guy 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.000 needed some of them guards as the problem. And this 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.520 guy's now people looking at this. By the way, that's 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.480 another thing that people look at this guy Luigi who 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.680 by the way, that the guy who killed the insurance 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.840 guy more Sean, you know, to me, I thought, initially 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.920 in San Francisco's but California, initially I thought, maybe okay, 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.000 you know, maybe his his mom had cancer. The refused 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.720 payments and she died within thirty days instead of whatever 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:43.720 it may be, none of that was actually there. People 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:45.720 a looted this guy like he's a hero, which is 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:46.360 really crazy. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.680 Well, they hate the insurance companies and they hate the 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.040 fact the insurance companies den I so much coverage and 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.559 people are dying on their watch. And there's a lot there, 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.160 But that doesn't excuse someone from being assassinated. Someone being 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:02.200 killed from behind doesn't absolutely doesn't excuse a horrific act. 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.880 But yeah, no, everything about that disturbed me on every 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.800 damn level. I mean, we can there's a plenty of 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.080 time and plenty of ways to focus on insurance abuse, 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:12.959 and I take a back seat to no one. I 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:14.880 happened to be governor of a state that's only stay 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:19.040 in America that's provided universal healthcare regardless of preexistent condition, 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.360 ability to pay, or your immigration status. It's controversial, but 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.400 the fact is we're doing it at a whole different 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.800 level than any state in America. So I have a 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.160 lot of a lot of opinions about. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:31.840 Being study is that screwed up? 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:33.760 Because it is completely screwed up and in every way, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.120 shape or form, But that's not the way you highlight 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.840 an issue by assassinating a guy's got two young kids 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:42.560 in the middle of the you know, in the middle 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:43.040 of the streets. 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:44.640 So now you got a twenty six year old kid 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.040 who's going to be in jailed the rest of his life. 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.800 Yeah, and he's got a manifest in his life's completely destroyed. 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.360 So not about nothing about this. There was some weird 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.800 punitary around this, and people sort of romanticizing this. They 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.720 them right about it. Everything was wrong. 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:00.120 About it, by the way Sean they spell, by the 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.160 way they say more Shawn, this guy's gotten over twenty 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.360 thousand letters from women that one like married this guy 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.000 already in jail, which is bizarre. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.679 No, he's been there three days. It'll be their thirty 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.960 damn years. Well uh, well, and we'll see maybe more. 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.360 But what was you say? He was the insurance guy? 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.480 What what was his? Uh? 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.720 This guy just went went right out there and assassinated 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.560 a fifty year old young executive. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:33.079 Of which which insurance was he? 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:34.480 United Healthcare? United Healthcare? 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.080 Yeah, United Healthcare? Oh shit. 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.079 But then all of a sudden, he's you know some 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.480 you know, some hero to some folks. I guess on 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.040 the uber left. I don't even understand. And on the 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:49.360 uber right, I our pop men again. The world we're 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.280 living in right now goes to the point of people 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.240 going on your So you can you can say it's better. 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.440 You could say I'm going to go I want I 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.360 want Roger Good. They'll take it out because people can 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:58.280 see t from football. 0:11:58.280 --> 0:11:58.880 You can say that. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.280 People will cole minds. Then they have trust U. I 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.080 mean everybody in this whole industry. Someone's I don't think this. 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:09.040 I can I can personally vouch for a half dozen 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.160 people that I know have now security that never had 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.960 in their life really because they think they're on some 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:20.240 buddy's list and they're not. But they just think because 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.960 of the nature that sort of the classes and that everything, 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.600 it's not just classism. It's just there's something else going on. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:27.680 And by the way, speaking of that, did you guys 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.640 watch that Brett farv thing I did? Do you watch 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.319 that mar Sean? You miss that? Marshan? 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:38.280 Well, it's Brett Farvard, Mark Gastineau, and Gastineau approached far 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.880 At like an autograph show, you know about the sack 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.679 about straight ahead side and he was he was emotionally 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.599 and passed. Yeah, and it got so bad Far have 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.600 had to actually leave Yea and not talk to Gaston 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.080 anymore because Gas said ruined Gaston's life because it. 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:54.480 Would have been the Sack record. It would have been. 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.880 You know it's it stood for what twenty years, and 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.760 you know, poor Strayians getting put in the thing and 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.080 take it Far did take it time's. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:07.319 He didn't want to take straights hit, which was arguably understandable, 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.160 but that's just mere Far. 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.120 A tough So when you say you know he didn't 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.920 want to take straight hand hit, bred farther A tough motherfucker, man, 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:17.439 I mean, I don't. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:18.520 I don't know if it was. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.120 That man, I mean you know I think it. I 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.640 think it was a I think it was. It was it. 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:27.000 Was brother in law, thy ship going on. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.240 It was with Nod like, hey, I'm gonna roll right, 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:30.200 I'm gonna go down. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:31.720 You got the right. So you think the whole thing 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:33.199 was choreographed. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.360 I mean should from the from the sounds of it, 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.600 you know what, I don't. I don't uh actually remember 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.360 the play, but I had a conversation with it with it, 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.199 had a conversation about it with an individual, say kind 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.960 of rolled out and you know, kind of dropped down 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:49.600 and gave him that. 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:50.560 Half a second. 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:56.360 I mean, I mean it wasn't that straight hand. You know, 0:13:56.480 --> 0:14:00.840 probably needed him to do that, but I mean, you see, 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.080 we're straight hening at now. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.160 Hey, But more Sean, I want to ask you. I 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.160 want to ask you a serious question. I thought about 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.880 this last night when I was watching the game. Your 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.880 teammate walks out of the game and refuses to play. 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:13.880 What do you do to the guy. 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:14.240 After the game? 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:15.480 You said? After the game? 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.600 Yeah, and the guy, the Niner linebacker left the game, 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.320 refused to go in the games as his teammate. What 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.080 do you do at the end of the game. 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.560 What was going on? What prompt him to do that? 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.840 Nobody knows why, but apparently he was upset he wasn't 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.680 starting to playing, and so instead of going in the 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.840 game in the third quarter when Greenlaw came out, he 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.800 actually quit, walked off the field in the locker room 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.600 and left. He's gone, well, yeah, but what does Marshaan do. 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.520 Know what I'm saying, Well, you you know me fresh, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.480 especially if that's one of my one of my dudes, 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.160 and most of the time guys I'll play with. I 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.400 fucked with tough, and if he is somebody who didn't 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.920 matter a situation like that happened, I'm going in the 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:01.800 locker room to go and get. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.240 Him, right. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.760 I mean, come on, bro, at least at least we 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.880 gonna do is We're gonna finish this motherfucker out together, 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.920 and then you feel me. Yeah, I mean after the game, 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.200 we can go ahead and figure out, you know what 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.280 I mean, what type of time we on and what 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.920 need to be done. But you know, a lot of 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:26.120 guys like you know what I mean, you get you 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.880 get that edge when when I'm looking over to the 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.720 sideline or you know what I mean, I'm on the 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.400 sideline and I and I hear Cam Chancellor talking about, hey, 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:39.520 beach molds you up. Yeah, I'm up like that. That 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.240 kind of give me going and to see one of 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:45.200 my guys. Yeah, I mean just walk off the field now. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:50.760 If I'm not aware of the situation of what's going on, yeah, 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.800 for sure, I'm going in the locker room telling brother, hey, 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:55.320 let's go finish this shit out. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:56.640 Then figure this out. 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.480 That's the beauty. So that's an open ended question, and 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.600 any any of any of his players, any of his 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.360 college going but Shawn is gotting reserved judgment until he 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:10.280 finds out what's going on. Bro Niners didn't reserve any judgment. 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:13.920 They they're getting rid of this guy. Yeah, they spend them. 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.240 I guess the spending, and then they're not going to 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:17.520 he's gonna be. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.360 If you spend them, then you don't have to pay him. 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:20.600 You can go after signing bonus. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.320 If you cut him, then he gets everything. 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:35.120 Can't put up with that man? All right? 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.240 Listen, guys, this is an incredible moment for me because 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.640 you know what a Star Wars fan I am? 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.000 Are you an actual Star Wars fan? How can you 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:43.280 not be? 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:48.400 Seven? Forty seven times? Okay only forty And not only that. 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:50.480 You know we have out of Oakland. I can name 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.360 the athletes, but we have you know, Tom Hanks, and 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.960 we got obviously more Shawn Lynch, and we have all 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.800 the people, but we also Clinton California, Oakland, California. I mean, 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.640 this guy is the most one of the most iconic 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:07.160 people in the world today and we're blessed to have him. 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.959 Gavin the one, the only Mark Hamill, what's up? 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:16.520 Mark? My guys, I'm a proud product of Oakland, California. 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:22.680 Who else was from Oakland. I'm getting a fist pump 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.440 from Marshawn. So maybe he's from Oakland too. 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:30.720 Yes, he may be the next Mark. He may be 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.720 the next mayor of Oakland. The things are going. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.520 If you don't Mark. I do remember when Marshawn uh 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.080 did not stand for the anthem? I think you liked 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.959 his his uh that back in the day. 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:44.440 Am I right? 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.600 Probably? I mean I was. I'm always for uh, you know, 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.439 resisting authority and standing up for what you believe in regardless. 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.240 I mean, it was shocking to me that Colin Kaepernick 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:03.960 suffered such consequences for express you know, it's his right 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.960 to say what he wants. Now I'm wondering about how 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.199 Marshawn got the nickname beast Mode. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.400 Oh man, if you're from Oakland, you know a little 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.000 bit about how to start, you know. 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.879 I mean, it wasn't it wasn't easy. It was not easy. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.800 But it started off as. 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:29.919 As man child, and then I evolved into beast mode. 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.360 That was a little more fitting. 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.120 I should be clearer now. I yes, I was born 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:40.880 in Oakland, but I was like six weeks old when 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:45.040 we moved. Father My father was in the Navy. I 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.160 was in the middle of seven kids. And I went 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:53.840 to nine different schools in twelve years. God damn yeah, 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:58.600 from kindergarten to twelfth grade. And I graduated Yokoma High 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:03.080 School in Japan. So, and it was always coast to 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:07.879 coast because it was Navy, so it would be like Oakland, Annadale, Virginia, 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:16.200 San Diego, Pennsylvania, San Jose, Williamsburg. You never never the Midwest. 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.840 Always coast to coast to coast. Do you pick up. 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:20.479 Japanese when you were out in Japan? 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.800 Well, when you're there, especially when we lived off base 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.920 the first summer we lived off base. When they move 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.679 you on base, everybody speaks English, including the Japanese. So 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.240 I learned more in that first three months off base. 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:38.120 And if you don't keep it up, you know, I'll 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:43.200 turn on a Japanese television station. I'll start remembering phrases. 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.440 But if you don't keep it up, you know you can't. 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.879 I was never conversion. I couldn't discuss politics in Japanese. 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.520 I could tell the taxi driver, wait here, turn right, 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.640 you know that kind of thing. 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.800 Look, what age did Luke sky Walker come to be? 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.320 What age when I started? How old were you I 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:07.399 was twenty four, So twenty four years old. Here you 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.000 are the most iconic, one of the most iconic characters 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.520 of all time. I mean, how was that? That had 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:13.120 to be insane? 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:16.560 Well, you try and ground yourself, you know, because you 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:21.879 haven't changed. Everybody around you is going nuts. You know, 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.159 you sort of at the center of the hurricane. But 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:30.000 it was crazy. I mean I eventually snuck into the 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.919 back of the theater see it with an audience. I 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.600 couldn't believe it. I mean it was like a party there. 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:41.800 They were bouncing beach balls around. I mean, who knows it. 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.920 By the way, where where were you? What city? What theater? 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:46.000 Do you remember where you were? 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.480 Yeah? I was here in southern California, and I think 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.239 I snuck into the back of wherever it was, like 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.040 at the Egyptian somewhere on Hollywood Boulevard. Maybe No, it 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.040 was at the Gramments. It was Garments Chinese. 0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:58.320 Remember act. 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:03.720 The day it opened May twenty fifth, seventy seven, they 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.720 picked me up to go dub the thirty five millimeter 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.160 prints because only the seven millimeter prints were in. I 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.360 think sixteen theaters went and open. Can you imagine nowadays? 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:18.720 They opened up in one thousand theaters, so they they're 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.640 driving me in. I was in Malibu, and I said 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:25.520 to the driver, can you drive past Grahman's Chinese Because 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.399 there was a huge argument at Fox on how to 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:34.160 promote it, and because of that, it opened with no poster. 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.680 There was no They put photographs from the movie outside, 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:40.439 but it took a while to get a poster. What 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.600 shocked me was when we drove past the theater there 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:47.600 were lines around the block. Now, I hadn't seen any 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:51.479 ads on television, usually on Saturday Night Live or you know, 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.919 those kind of programs. They they want to get the 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.920 young audience there. I didn't see any ads. I can't 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.840 say for sure there were none, but I didn't see any. 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:02.720 And I thought to myself, well, this is going to 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:04.600 take a couple of weeks for word of mouth to 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:09.080 get around because science fiction is usually very dry and serious, 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.359 you know, two thousand and one and so forth, and 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.760 this thing was, you know, funny. It was, you know, 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:15.760 like a fairy tale. 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:18.440 Remember those are the days of Rocky in seventy six, 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:21.359 in Star Wars. I mean, these were like massive movies 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:22.120 back in those days. 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:25.240 I was in the front row in corner Madera, California. 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.520 I'll never forget. It's ten years I mean literally ten 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.399 years old. Corner Madera like I felt, but we were in 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.440 the center of the universe because we're kind of felt 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.880 the Marin vibe, because Lucas being out in Marina felt 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:38.720 the Bay Area thing. So you kind of felt it 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:43.679 was like your own personal like discovery, which you'll never forget. 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:46.040 But the lions were the thing I remember the most. 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:50.320 It's no surprise George stayed in Marin County. He's not 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:57.600 comfortable in Los Angeles or southern California. And it's a 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.200 wonderful place to work. I mean when I go up there, 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:04.720 it's because everybody's so happy to be there, you know, 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.080 at Skywalker Ranch by. 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.840 The way Mark speaking of where you know, because place 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:15.959 matters right now. Malibu Franklin fire. Yes, we share this 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:19.320 in common. I from afar, you from a lived experience. 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:23.040 How's this been going for you? The major four plus 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:26.280 thousand acre fire down in Malibu just this week? 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.720 How you doing well. We're monitoring it very closely and 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:33.880 as as of now, it's not coming towards us because 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:39.119 we're right near Topanga Canyon, so it's up by Pepperdine. 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:41.240 But I mean that's just one of the things that 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.800 you have to deal with living in a place like this. 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:49.080 It's mud slides and fires. And the reason we love 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:52.080 it so much is you feel like you're outside Los Angeles. 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:56.639 You don't like feel like you're in town. But we're 0:23:56.840 --> 0:24:00.160 you know, we're keeping an eye on it. It's it's 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.520 it was shocking how fast it grew because I was 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.880 watching what I was watching, Jimmy Kimmel, and they interrupted 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.960 to show that I think it was at that time 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.840 ten acres were on fire, so I stayed there. An 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:16.320 hour later, it was one hundred dang yeah, and my 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.600 wife had gone to bed, and I thought, should I 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.320 wake her? Ey won't bother But by three d am 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:24.760 it was eight hundred acres, so I went up and 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:27.520 just let her know, and she turned on the TV 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:28.360 in our bedroom. 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:31.600 But yeah, you had to shelter in place, right, you 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:33.280 were sort of actually stay. 0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:37.119 We couldn't leave, which, as I said, fits in with 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:44.120 my elderly rec loose lifestyle. But now it's open. Yeah, 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:47.119 it's open, so you know, and again, I mean, you 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:49.440 never get used to it, but it's not like it's 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:51.840 never happened before. And by the way, now that you're 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:54.800 mentioning Malleble, I want to thank you signing the bill 0:24:54.840 --> 0:25:01.120 that allowed cameras to come on peace. Yeah, because it's tragic, 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.560 you know, these four teenage girls walking along and the 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:09.440 it's so narrow, especially with the added bike paths that 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:13.080 you know, somebody gets distracted and swerves even afoot. It's 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:16.480 really critical that and I want to thank you for that. 0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:18.880 Wait where the camera's gon No, just on pH. 0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:22.160 We've had so many We've had so many pedestrian fatalities, 0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:26.359 and it's such an iconic freeway and a lot of tourists, 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:29.520 but not even just tourists. People get easily distracted understandably 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:34.080 and and and Caltransit State manages and operates it. But 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:38.000 we haven't been doing've been investing in pedestrian safety as 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:39.960 much as we should. So we're going to finally get 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:44.560 some cameras out there. We've got some other strategies to 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:46.440 address just slowing folks down. 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.680 Hey, Mark, I appreciate asking about the be I always 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:02.520 love the story or two of how someone got there. 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:04.680 Like you know, I've known Gavin for thirty years. 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:06.639 He's my family, Like I know, he got here, and 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:08.399 Marshaun's been my client. 0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:09.400 I know he got there. 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.840 So as a navy brat like you were, take me through, 0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:17.040 really how you got from that, travel around twelve cities 0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:20.040 and night schools, whatever it may be, to become Luke Skywalker. 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:21.480 Take me through how you got there. 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:25.560 Well, I came to Los Angeles. You know, I my 0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:27.760 parents thought I was crazy. They said, we don't know 0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:31.280 anybody in show business, and we don't know anybody who 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:33.879 knows someone in show was. There's no connections. There's no 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:39.240 way that we can see this happening. Because my game 0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:41.240 plan was, well, I'll go to New York. I'll get 0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:44.320 a job as a waiter or a taxi driver and 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:46.800 start auditioning. That's the only way I knew because I 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.840 read a lot of books about people and how they 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.560 got started, and that was my game plan. But my brother, 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.600 my older brother, Bill, was getting married in Los Angeles 0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:58.960 and I came to be the best man. And at 0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:00.880 that we talk about luck. 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:01.240 I mean. 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:05.840 His best friend was an artist named Michael Franks who 0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.600 had written a musical that he had hoped to bring 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:13.160 to Broadway. And it was a summer of sixty nine 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.239 and he had known me growing up because they had 0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:20.480 been friends for years and years and years. So he said, 0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.159 you can be in it. You don't even have to audition. 0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:24.160 I have a part for you. So I did that 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.800 and one of the girls in the cast had a 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.560 father who was in the music business. He worked for 0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:33.840 Neil Diamond, and he, after a performance said, if you're 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.560 serious about this, I could probably introduce you to some 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:40.200 people so you could get an agent. So I went 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.760 around to all the offices and I did two scenes. 0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:45.640 I did a monologue as Snoopy from Your Good Man 0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:49.639 Charlie Brown Show comedy, and I brought his daughter, the 0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:53.679 cast mate Lauren, in to read with me. For the 0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:56.959 subject was roses. I played the Martin sheenpart to show drama. 0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:00.800 So after about six of those, an e took me on. 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.480 That was the summer sixty nine. He wanted to start 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:06.920 sending me out. I said, but no, if I don't 0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:10.280 go to college, I'll get drafted. And I didn't have 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:13.840 any money, but luckily, as a California resident, I could 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:18.719 get into LACC eight dollars in the pen and you 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:22.320 were in. It's probably more now, but yeah, you know, 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:23.360 I buy zero to. 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.040 Just for the records, not the full cost of attendance, 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.000 but tuition's free for two years. So thank you to 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.960 the you know, I'm just saying just for the record. 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:37.840 Which is so pro you know, free education for all regardless. 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:39.640 I mean, by the way, I sent my daughter to 0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.560 USC and boy is it pricey. 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.600 Yeah, that's another that's a that's that's ridiculous. Right, it's 0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.040 literally it's one or two of the most it's one 0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.000 or the second most expensive school in the United States 0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:53.800 now exactly. 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.320 But she did really well. And what did she get married? 0:28:56.520 --> 0:29:00.360 What were degrees? Anyway, she did fantastic. What I'm saying is, 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:04.000 you know, when I bought to young students and so forth, 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:06.920 I say that you have to be ready to not 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:11.760 only seize an opportunity, but recognize an opportunity. I said, 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:15.200 go do dinner theater. It doesn't matter what the status 0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:17.760 of the production is. You just got to get on stage. 0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:22.320 You have to get out there. So I majored in 0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:26.600 the theater arts. But and he would send me out. 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.239 One time I got a part where it was going 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:33.160 to take five days, and I said, and he said, 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.480 you've got to do this, so you know, to get 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:40.680 your SAG card. And all that I had to lie, 0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.840 I said to I went to the head of the department, 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:48.040 Jerry Blunt, and said, my mom has diabetes, which is true, 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:50.160 but I said, she's going into the hospital. I have 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.239 to go visitor in San Diego. So I went and 0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:57.200 I hit out, I got it's crazy. But what I'm 0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:01.440 saying is by the second summer I there, I got 0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:06.480 my union card, I had four credits. I look back 0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:09.160 and I say, it's just astonishing because a lot of 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:13.520 these actors struggle for decades. Even some of these character 0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:16.000 actors have to grow into the way they look because 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.840 they're not right at twenty four. But by the time 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:23.320 they're forty five, they become really successful character actors. But 0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:30.080 it's the perseverance. So you know, that's what happened. And 0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:36.400 you know I did. I don't know, maybe I don't know. 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:44.160 Thirty or forty guest appearances and twelve TV movies, and 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:47.760 then some my friend of mine said, did you hear 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:51.560 about this movie that George Lucas is doing Star Wars? 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:56.080 And in fact it's Robert England who plays Freddy Krueger. 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.200 Into this day, even in his book he said, if 0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:01.760 it weren't for me. Mark would have never. I don't 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.040 want to burst his bubble. But when I called my agent, 0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:07.400 she said, oh, yeah, you have an appointment, you know, 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:08.280 ten days from now. 0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.440 I know it was already set up, huh. 0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:13.200 But the weird thing was when we went in. It 0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:16.760 was a meet and greet with Brian DePalma, who was 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:22.760 casting Carrie the King horror film, and George and you 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:24.800 know it's just like tell us a little about yourself 0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.560 and blah blah blah. And so five minutes over I 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:29.920 went out to it was a cattle call. You know, 0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.120 there's fifty guys there, you know, Han Solo types and 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.640 Luke types. And I said to one of the actors 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:39.080 who was Brian DePalma's assistant in there, the guy with 0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:41.640 the beard that didn't say a word, They said, you idiot, 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:45.000 That was George Lucas. I said, oh, I didn't say anything. 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:49.840 Brian talked. And the next step was getting a screen 0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:54.680 test about ten pages long. What I'm geting to. When 0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:58.480 I got the part, you see, I hadn't read the script. 0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:02.240 I read the one scene and you couldn't make heads 0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:04.480 or tails out of it. I said to Harrison, who 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.600 I tested with, I said you were in American Graffiti. 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:09.680 You know, George, is this like a comedy or a 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.960 send up, like a spoof or it just it can't 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:16.640 be serious, right He said, Hey, you know whatever, let's 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:22.080 just get it done. There's no help, no help at all. 0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:25.120 I said to George, is this sort of like a parody? 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.560 Is it like a send up? Well, let's just do 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:31.480 it and we'll talk about it later, which translates to 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:34.240 let's just do it and we'll never talk about it. 0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:38.800 Because George isn't an actor type of director. He comes 0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:41.160 alive in the editing room. He doesn't want to hear 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:44.720 about backstory or motivation or any of that stuff. Just 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:48.240 say your lines and do your best. But what what 0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:52.360 what was astonishing is when I when I finally because 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:56.360 you know, there's a line in the screen test. Thank 0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.160 god it's not in the movie to show you how 0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:01.240 difficult it was to make it sound like it was 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:05.920 natural dialogue spontaneously come coming out of your head. Because 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.560 at one point here since said, hey kid, I've held 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:12.080 up my part of the bargain. And then I get 0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:15.800 the chance you and the droids I'm dumping in moving on, 0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:19.320 and my line in the screenplay was, but we can't 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:22.400 turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:24.520 the actual security there is any greater than it was 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.400 on Aquaire's Solace, and what there is is most likely 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:32.320 directed forwards a large scale assault. Huh, I mean you 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.640 could make sense of it. Fear is their greatest defense. Yeah, 0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.560 the Death Star is intimidating. I doubt if the actual 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.760 security there's integrated. That was on two made up planets 0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:45.000 acquire sauce, and what there is is most likely directed 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:47.640 towards a large scale assault. Yeah, like an armada. But 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:49.880 we could slip through because you're like the size of 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:55.480 a penny. But again, how does any of that make sense? 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:55.920 Hold on? 0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:56.040 You? 0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:57.960 Wasn't just read us something right now? 0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:04.280 No, I've remembered that line for nearly fifty years, because no, 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:07.360 I couldn't get it out of my head. And when 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:10.080 I read the screenplay, which by the way, was called 0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:15.160 the The Adventures of Luke's Starkiller. That's taken from the 0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.560 Journal of the Wills, Saga number one, the Star Wars 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:23.160 and my name was Luke star Killer, well killer that 0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:27.759 I read on the call sheet. When I rescue the Princess, 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.759 I had filmed it. She said, aren't you a little 0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:34.240 short for a stormtrooper? And go what? Oh the helmet? 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.640 I take the helmet off. I'm Luke Starkiller. I'm here 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:40.320 to rescue you. So we had filmed that and I 0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:42.360 got the call sheet and I saw that scene was 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.839 on there again. I said, what's up with that? They said, oh, well, 0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:49.200 they've changed your name. I said to what? And they 0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:53.640 said to Skywalker. I said Skywalker, Oh, my. 0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:54.840 God, like fire. 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:59.560 I mean, because we have just gotten used to that name. 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:02.080 And I I thought I could use a little macho 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.040 in my name, and given my character he's such a 0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:10.200 wimpy little farm boy, but I had just gotten used 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:12.600 to star Killer. But they said they pulled all the 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:14.960 women at the ages eighteen to thirty five don't like 0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:21.480 characters with kill in their name. They had a little 0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.520 contest on set because at one point George was told 0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:30.239 that the focus group don't like the word wars. 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:32.799 So Mark, here you are. You're doing this movie. You 0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:34.799 probably have no idea where this thing's going. 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:40.040 But actually tell me, Nobs, deep down, you're like this 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.120 thing's going to be a flop. I mean, did you 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:44.440 feel that way or just it's a paycheck or what 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:44.839 did you do? 0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:48.200 I asked Carrie and Harrison what they thought. They were 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:51.280 sort of noncommittal and I and I remember telling Robert Watson, 0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.400 the production manager, the first person I met when I 0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:57.600 went to England and went to the studio. He says, 0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:00.120 what do you think of this little endeavor about to 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:03.760 embark upon? And I said, I think we're on a winner, 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:07.799 because here's why. At that point it was only seven 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.920 and a half million. It later went up to just 0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:13.960 under nine. So I did the math and I said, 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:17.600 we'll only have to make twenty five to get in, 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.520 you know, get our money back. And I thought this 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:25.719 thing is so funny and whimsical. I said, it's not 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.719 science fiction. It's like a fairy tale. You've got a 0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:31.480 farm boy, you've got a pirate, you've got a princess, 0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:35.360 you got a wizard's it's it's a fairy tale dressed 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:41.600 up as science fiction. And I said, and it's effortlessly feminist. 0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.120 I said, how about the princess. You know she doesn't 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:48.000 she's not a damsel in distress, and she takes over 0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:51.320 her own rescue, grabs the gun from Luke and Hans. 0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:53.440 You call this a rescue, give me that gun. I 0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:58.440 said that kind of thing, because women overall are not 0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:03.640 the biggest audience for science fiction. But said, I just 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:08.120 think it's so different, I said, And I was a kid. 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:11.040 I was a famous Monsters of Film Land kid. I 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:14.600 loved all the black and white universal horror films, and 0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.240 so this is right up my alley. I loved science 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:21.839 fiction and fantasy, so I was predisposed to like it. 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.400 And I know, I said, even if I wasn't cast 0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.360 in the movie, I'd still love this movie no matter 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:31.840 who played Luke. But not everybody felt that way, Like 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:35.360 I say, even to the point where they were about 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:38.440 to release it, Fox didn't really believe in it, and 0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:44.600 we had no poster because one segment wanted to you know, 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:50.399 entertainment voyage beyond your imagination, far beyond, and the other 0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:54.000 campaign was sort of like little rascals in outer space, 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.520 but they couldn't merge them. 0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:59.200 So nine million dollars to make what's that gross? 0:37:59.280 --> 0:37:59.480 Now? 0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:01.200 After all yours? I'm curious. 0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:04.400 I don't know eleven d building and I don't know. 0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:10.400 Yeah, oh yeah, you definitely from Oakland. 0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.120 Yeah, I don't really know. I mean, it's a lot 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:17.400 of money, but uh, uh, you know, for a while, 0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:19.960 I think, yeah, I remember an ad where they had 0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:23.600 R two D two with a fishing rod pulling Jaws 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:27.200 out of the water. Spielberg said, congratulations, George, who has 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:31.400 replaced Jaws as number one film of all time. But 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.600 it's been surpassed many many times since. I don't know 0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:35.319 how many, But. 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.480 Mark, did you know how many there would be? I mean, 0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:41.879 was it was? This? Was there a contract option when 0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.760 you did the first one subsequence exactly? 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:48.920 So when we signed, if it were successful, we were 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:53.960 required to do a second and a third. And uh 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:57.520 that was one of the reasons I wanted to be 0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:01.480 successful because, uh, you know it was it was so 0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:05.320 much fun. I have to tell you. We just laughed 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:09.239 all day long. I mean it was especially My fondest 0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:13.000 memories are on the Death Star with Harrison and Carrie, 0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.880 because by the time of the second one we all separated. 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:19.279 I went off to a swamp planet with Yoda, and 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:21.640 I loved working with Frank Oz. He's still one of 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:26.239 my closest friends. But i'd see, you know, all the 0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:29.919 other actors walking in the other direction, Hi, guys. I mean, 0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:33.920 but it was very isolated on the second one, it 0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:36.439 was the call sheet. I'd be the only human being 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:42.480 on the planet on the call sheet, me robots, a puppet, 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:44.279 various snakes and lizards. 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:48.960 So, Mark, you're now the Heyday, You're in the seventies, 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.160 You're you're in your mid twenties, you got the biggest 0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.120 hit in the planet and your single la. I mean, 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:56.239 how was that life back then? I mean not had 0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:58.000 to be pretty. I mean, I know, you're wife's into 0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:02.319 the room, give not out of be a fun time, right, Well, 0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:02.879 it was a. 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:07.200 Different time, you know. 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:07.799 I was. 0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:12.520 I did fine before that happened. I mean, you know, 0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:15.400 go to when I was doing the Texas Wheelers, a 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:19.279 TV series for Mary Tyler Moore. I mean there would 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:25.160 be all these beautiful actresses that were extras and I mean, 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:28.479 you know, and it was like seventy four. So when 0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:33.280 that happened, Yeah, it was crazy. It was sort of like, oh, 0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:38.480 this is what must be like for Mick Jagger. I 0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:41.799 met my wife. She was my dental hygienis, and I 0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:47.040 cleaned her, she cleaned my teeth, and you know we're 0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:50.440 still married. What is it now, forty five years? Honey? Yeah, 0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:56.440 congratulations most men, Yeah, fingers crossed. It's gonna work Gezo. 0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.839 When you started, did you not that it will be 0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:02.239 as successful as it is now? 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:02.400 Like? 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:05.400 Of course not. I mean I thought, like I said. 0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:09.400 I remember specifically saying I was talking about the original, 0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:13.000 not the remake. I said, this thing's going to outgross 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:17.000 Planet of the Apes, which at that time I had 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:22.680 made like forty million dollars. And I believe that. I said, 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:26.000 not only will it one of the reasons I thought 0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:28.919 I would be successful even without a poster and no commercials, 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:32.520 I said, people like me. There are so many people 0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.520 like me that will go see this just because of 0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.319 the genre, and then word of mouth will kick in. 0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:40.480 Oh but it's funny, and it's this and that, and 0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:46.080 it's scary, it's all these things. So I was fairly 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.920 confident that it would be successful enough at least to 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:53.319 make the second one. Did I think it would go supernova? 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:53.920 Of course not. 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:08.160 You know, going back just to sort of the origin story, 0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:10.360 because I'm curious you talked to I mean, sounds like 0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.799 you had the acting bug very early on. I mean, 0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:16.120 you knew what you wanted to do, and and you 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.440 know you're a pretty young man. But was it what 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:22.520 did you Was it you're inspired to get into acting 0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.319 as you're traveling around the globe. Is you're you know 0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:27.759 you're you're there at different naval bases. Was there someone 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:29.600 you admired, someone you looked up to, and you said 0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:31.440 I want to be that when I grow up. At 0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:34.240 what age did you really say this is my career path. 0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:39.520 I hosted a variety show with my Jerry Mahoney dummy 0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:44.080 in sixth grade, and I realized what all ventrilo chist 0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:48.920 must realize is that you can say really obnoxious things 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:51.680 and blame it on the dummy. So I was able 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:56.840 to insult the cafeteria food. And I don't say that 0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:01.239 about mister Gagnan. He's a nice man. Yeah, sneak gag, Oh, 0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:06.040 don't be so terrible. And when the way the laughter, 0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:12.000 I was just it gosh, I thought this, this is 0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:13.759 what I want to do. And I didn't think, well, 0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:15.759 I'm going to be an actor because all the time, 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:19.600 I mean, I loved I learned to read by getting 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.600 the paper off the doorstep and reading the comic strips, 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:28.320 you know, simple comic strips like Nancy and Hey you stop. 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:33.600 So I loved cartoons and comic strips and stop frame animation. 0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:36.480 I mean I saw King Kong on TV when I 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:39.240 wasn't know five or six, and it was the first 0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.839 movie that made me cry. And I didn't know how 0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.120 they did the dinosaurs, I mean until Famous Monsters came 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:49.160 along and explained Willis O'Brien stop frame animation and Marcel 0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:52.440 Delgado and the model makers and all that, and they 0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:56.640 showed illustrations of the tabletops with the miniatures. I mean, 0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:59.480 it just blew my mind, and I thought that I 0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.680 want to somebody goes to work every day and makes 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:06.880 dinosaurs come to life. I want that job. I mean, 0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:09.200 I didn't really think of much as and I remember 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:13.200 seeing Clarence Nash, this distinguished man in a suit and 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:17.120 tie on the Walt Disney Sunday Night Show and he 0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:20.240 steps up to the microphone and does Donald Duck again. 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:22.840 I don't even know if I'd started school. Then it 0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:25.360 just blew my mind because in those days you just 0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:28.400 think of cartoons as you know, they just arrived full blown. 0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:31.799 But I thought, somebody goes to work every day because 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.520 this is the wife goodbye, and pat's the kids on 0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:38.120 the head and goes and he's he does Donald Duck 0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:40.480 and they paid him for that, and I did a 0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:43.840 terrible Donald Duck. But I was always putting on shows, 0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:47.360 puppet shows and imitating people. I could make my brothers 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:52.200 and sisters laugh by imitating relatives and so forth, and 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:55.560 so I always had that performance gene in me. But 0:44:56.400 --> 0:45:00.560 I also was pragmatic. I thought, well, don't know how 0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:03.880 to go about doing it, but I don't have to 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:05.640 be in the show. I just want to be near 0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:08.719 the show. Because again, Disney would put on these shows 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.440 where they say it's the making of Darby O'Gill and 0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:14.120 the Little People, and he would show the camera crew 0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:18.800 and wardrobe and the the carpenters and all these things. 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.040 And I would think in my mind, I said, well, 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:23.880 I'm not a bad cook. If I can't be in 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:28.040 I could be a caterer for sure. So I just 0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:31.239 knew that I want to be, you know, in in 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:35.920 a business that uh that you know, the escape is 0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:37.200 some business. 0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:38.960 And what's to take me through? So you're you're in 0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:41.319 the You're doing these movies and and and again, I 0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:43.400 mean you're the biggest start on the planet. 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:46.160 Luke Skywalker, et cetera. Take me through. 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.400 After that was there was there was there some years 0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:51.919 where it's like you're a pigeonholed as this guy did 0:45:51.920 --> 0:45:53.080 the did the call. 0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:53.960 Stop coming at times? 0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:56.600 And a meetings d I mean, tell me take me 0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:58.000 through some of the rejection part of it. 0:45:58.040 --> 0:45:59.360 And it struggles you face. 0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:04.239 That the the the business I'm in. When you do 0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:07.160 something well, they want you to do the same thing 0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:10.759 over and over again because it's been proven to be profitable. 0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:16.520 And Mary lud just said Amadeus. When I couldn't get 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:19.000 character parts, I went to New York where they will 0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:22.279 add open auditions. You can just audition for things. So 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:26.839 I auditioned for Amadeus and Sir Peter Hall said, we 0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:31.480 actually we've offered it. Who was it, Colin Firth whoever? 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:34.640 He was a British actor that they wanted, but they 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.120 couldn't be sure that he could get his green card, 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.279 so they put me up an hotel. This is why 0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:42.440 I know they were serious. If he couldn't get his 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:46.360 green card, then I would replace Tim Curry. So on 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:49.000 my fingers crossed, I felt like, you know, John Cassavetti's 0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:53.520 and Rosemary's baby rooting for ill will to befall some actor. 0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:57.959 So that didn't feel good, but turned out. I didn't 0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:00.239 get that, but Peter said, well, I want I want 0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:02.920 you to do the first national tour. So I did that. 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:09.719 I did Los Angeles, San Francisco, Baltimore, Chicago. I was 0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:13.080 scheduled to go to Boston and they pulled me out 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:16.640 of the company and put me in the Broadway production. Anyway, 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:19.280 so I got some of the best reviews of my career. 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:23.120 But when I Milis Foreman said will you come in 0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:26.839 because I'm doing the movie of Amadaeis and I want 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:31.480 you to read off camera for Costanza the actresses that 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:35.160 were up to play Costanza. Of course, so I get in. 0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:40.759 I'm doing that between auditions for these all these young actresses. 0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:44.000 I said to him, I said, you know, I've played 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:48.719 Mozart and I wonder if you be willing to consider me. 0:47:49.080 --> 0:47:52.319 He laughed me. He said, oh, no, one is to 0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:55.440 be believing that the Luke Skywalker is the most so 0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:59.200 and I thought, well, I get that, and at least 0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:03.000 he was honest with me, so it removed any sort 0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:05.200 And I thought Tom Holse did a great job of 0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:08.600 the movie. But that's just what this business is. It's 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.680 you know, and I tell young actors you have to have. 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:15.279 I don't know, just the nerves of steel because you're 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:20.040 gonna face constant rejection. And it's not because you're not talented. 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:23.160 You might be too tall, too short, too fat, the 0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:26.920 wrong color eyes, whatever it is. There's thousands of people 0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:29.200 that you're going to be competing with and the odds 0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:32.560 are it's like playing Roulette. You have to spin the 0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:34.320 wheel five thousand times. 0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:36.200 By the way, it's funny Mark because you know Marshaan 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:38.840 obviously is transitioned and doing acting. Now, are you getting 0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:41.759 that mare Sean from as Do they look at you 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.799 and say, well, dude, you're beismo, you're the running back 0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:48.040 and you can't do this or do you get a 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:51.040 lot of that on some of these directors Marshall, Uh No, 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:51.879 not so much. 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:55.520 But it's just more so like because they're not familiar 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:59.960 with me. So like the movie that I've just did, 0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:05.600 Love Hurts, They like a lot of them knew me 0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:07.759 from football, but a lot of the guys was like 0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:11.640 from Germany, so they didn't really understand, you know, the 0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:15.880 football aspect. But I'm like, you know, like I'm really athletic. 0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:19.120 I can do a lot of the stunts that you 0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:21.239 know that got going on, but they're like, ah, well 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:22.960 you just don't know. And then I you know, I 0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:25.320 have to prove to them to show them like no, 0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:28.000 I can actually really move, like I can move move 0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:31.120 like really moving, you know. I mean, they'll give me 0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:34.239 an opportunity like, oh ship, I had no idea. And 0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:38.840 then they were going actually watch me uh uh you 0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:41.479 know play like oh I had no idea type ship. 0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:45.600 But when you when you when you say that, I 0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:52.000 got to work with uh with with Mike Loven Chris 0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:55.120 and he did uh he played Mike Lovin and uh 0:49:55.320 --> 0:50:00.880 super Bad and we were doing the show uh stars 0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:04.920 on Mars and everybody you know, we would seeing and 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.040 we're like, oh shit, is mc loving And he's like, no, 0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:08.400 don't call me mc loven. 0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:10.319 My name is is Chris, Like. 0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:12.680 Call me Chris. 0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:15.680 And it got to a point where, you know, some 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:20.160 of the producers had did some ship and they had 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:24.600 called him like mc lovin and he lost his ship. 0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:28.120 Like I told you, my fucking name is Chris, Call 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:31.600 me fucking Chris. So when you were speaking on that, 0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:34.120 I'm like that was the first thing that went to 0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:37.759 my mind, like, you know, getting a pigeonholed. 0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:40.200 In a row and Mark, you ever break down like that? 0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:43.480 You said, fucking talk to you. My name's not Luke, 0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:44.000 you asked me. 0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:46.480 While I listened to him talking, I'm you know a 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:48.800 lot of times they won't let you do stunts because 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:52.640 it's an insurance risk. Because in my career, I said, 0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:54.359 I want to do all my own stunts. The only 0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:57.440 one I wasn't allowed to do was when he gets 0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:01.520 blown out the portal uh and I think the second one, 0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:05.560 and the stunt guy said, can you do a flip 0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:07.160 off a diving board? I said, oh, yeah, I've been 0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:08.880 doing that all my life. Well, then you can do this. 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:11.680 So I was really thrilled because they had a springboard. 0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:15.879 Colin Skeeping was my stunt double. He never he wasn't 0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:17.600 even on the first one. I didn't have a stunt 0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:19.760 double on the first one, but I did on Empire. 0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:22.799 But then insurance stepped in and says, no way you're 0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:26.479 doing that, because do a flip out candy glass which 0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:29.759 can't damage you. Onto to all these mattresses that are 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:33.640 on those big, you know, packing boxes like beacons. What's 0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:37.360 out with stunt guys all around to make sure you 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:40.480 don't bounce off or whatever. So I wasn't worried about it, 0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:43.200 but they said, you can't do it. Now flash forward 0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:47.080 to my elderly years. I look at the script and 0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:49.400 I said, anything you can get away with with a 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:51.279 stunt double, I'm down with that. 0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:56.600 So there was fighting and uh, there's a lot of fightings, 0:51:56.640 --> 0:51:59.520 but one in particulars it was actually like, you know, 0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:03.080 what's moves that you can do that we can incorporate 0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:06.319 in the facing that you know would show it now 0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:09.840 to you know you actually you know, being an athlete. 0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:12.359 And I was like, well, I mean, you know, there's 0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:14.560 a few things like I played running back, so you 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:17.840 know I can move a latter latter room, you know, 0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:20.880 pretty quick. So I showed them a couple moves like 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:23.600 I actually just you know, ran a you know, like 0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:26.160 a simple drill in the in the gods they like 0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:29.560 blew they ship like, oh my god, like that ship 0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:32.880 is amazing. And I was like, well, you know, if 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:35.680 I could hit somebody, and they're like, well, we'll show 0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:38.520 us what you mean. So they got a guy and uh, 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:41.960 and I tackled him and they're like, oh, my fucking god, 0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:45.560 let's go. How would you how would you feel if 0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:50.360 we actually had you tackle this guy through a wall. 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:55.359 And I'm like, hell fucking year, Like, yeah, so they 0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:59.320 put up this. They put up this whole fucking wall, 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:05.240 and was like, okay. The stunt coordinator, the second director, 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:07.640 was like, hey, man, you know, you know if you're 0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:10.280 not up to it, you know your stunt guy who Marcus, 0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:12.960 who was who was really good? And I'm like, no, 0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:16.560 you know, I'm good. I'm ready for it. He's like, 0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:18.640 because I don't know, man, we got that, we got 0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:21.200 one wall. I'm like, all right, don't worry about it. 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:23.680 He's like, but you got to land here and where 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:27.359 it sat is probably like five feet from uh from 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:29.640 the wall. And I'm like, you know what, I'll be 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:32.920 able to get it done. So when we do it, 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:37.160 And I mean, I fucked that wall up. I tried 0:53:37.200 --> 0:53:39.720 to tear the whole fucking house down, to be honest 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.120 with you, And all I remember was running through that 0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:46.240 fucking wall and I hit the dude so fucking hard, 0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:49.600 and when I landed on it, I just heard all 0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:55.080 the air going oh. And for a second I fucking 0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:57.319 forgot we was even filming. Hey, hey, you all right, 0:53:57.480 --> 0:53:59.759 I shouldn't stay in it. Stay in it, oh ship 0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:04.640 yeah and right. It was probably some of the most 0:54:04.640 --> 0:54:10.360 funny shit I ever did period. But when I fucking 0:54:10.400 --> 0:54:15.120 smashed that dude through that wall, like the insurance that 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:18.719 you were just talking about, now they everybody coming in, 0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:25.600 all the doctors on set, the pro everybody, Hey, you 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:27.640 all right, you all right, making sure everything's all right, 0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:29.520 and you go back and you look at that. 0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:32.400 Wall, like, what the fuck just happened. Now. 0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:37.080 I'm not big on playback so or watching playback, so 0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:39.680 I just kind of was. I was in a zone. 0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:41.800 Pick up the phone. 0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:44.160 I called Doug, Like, Doug, I just ran somebody through 0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:44.920 a fucking wall. Bro. 0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:48.120 See if anybody want to, uh, if anybody want a 0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:50.200 thirty eight year old running back, I think I got 0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:52.480 some more left in the tank. So I hear the 0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:54.839 people they watching it, and all you hear is them 0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:59.239 motherfucker's just laughing, laughing, like, oh my god, that shit 0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:02.319 was great. But that was a big moment. But now 0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:06.080 you talk about the insurance. Had I done anything wrong 0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:10.279 or fuck some shit up, then I'm probably out for 0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:10.680 a while. 0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:12.600 And by the way, mark as an agent as I am, 0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:14.640 I did I did make a few calls to teams. 0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:16.560 I said Marshawn send me that footage, and I called 0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:17.160 a couple of teams. 0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:18.880 I said, you need a guy for a few games. 0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:20.560 Doug, you're his agent? 0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:24.160 Yes, I was his football agent, correct, not his entertainment agent, 0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:24.919 but football agent. 0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:29.600 But he has a theatrical agent now, correct, because remember, Marshawn, 0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:33.000 you're not just an after, You're an investment. 0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:34.000 Yeah. 0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:36.160 They have to protect their investments. 0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:40.400 Yeah, so I got I got that understanding after I, uh, 0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:41.960 after I ran through that wall. 0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:43.399 Yeah. 0:55:43.440 --> 0:55:45.160 Man, that ship was That ship was great. 0:55:45.160 --> 0:55:47.640 And what's crazy is a lot of the guys that I, uh, 0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:52.680 that I worked with, they actually did stunts for uh, 0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:55.600 some Star Wars movies. They actually were showing me like 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:58.600 some of the what they call them some of the 0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:04.200 gags where they put the harnesses on everybody and people 0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:06.839 pulling and swinging and all that shit. And they showed 0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:10.959 me this this clip where it was on a set 0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:16.040 for Star Wars and uh, the guys they like through 0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:19.759 some kind of bomb or something and everybody was exploding 0:56:19.840 --> 0:56:22.759 and flying in every which way and shit, and I'm like, 0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:25.680 god that like I'm going to I'm want to trye 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:27.920 some of that shit. I was like, nah, you probably 0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:30.399 would never be able to do no shit like that 0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:33.919 one because you big than a motherfucker, Like, I don't 0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:35.200 know how many people. 0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:36.920 We would have to pull you. 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:40.440 But when you start talking about the insurance and then 0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:44.080 being a liability, uh, it kind of made sense. But 0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:46.560 in my mind, I'm like, oh, I run through people 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:49.680 and run into people like that's how I made a living. 0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:51.959 Hey, Mark, let me ask you a question. 0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:55.759 I see the brotherhood of the athletics and sports, and 0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:58.640 I'll I'll go back and use more Shaw's example. You know, 0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:00.720 when they won the Super Bowl and he's the players 0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:03.239 he played with and the love, the half of each 0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:04.920 other and the kind of the respect and when they 0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:08.200 see each other after years and whether it be a 0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:11.160 you know, social setting or reunion or whatever. So when 0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:14.160 you go back and see Harrison Ford now or George Lucas, 0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:17.440 do you guys like have that special bond like, dude, 0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:21.160 we did something like crazy out of this world good, 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:24.520 you know forty years ago, fifty years ago. Do you 0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:26.520 kind of have that bond where you see each other 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:28.680 as kind of like that love as an athlete might 0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:29.520 have with the teammate. 0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:33.000 Absolutely, and not just with those movies. 0:57:33.040 --> 0:57:33.560 It being. 0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:40.439 You know, it's a community and we all support each other. 0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:44.040 I mean, whether it's television, movies. I remember I was 0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:45.680 telling you I went to New York to try and 0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:51.200 get character parts. And one thing that really changed my 0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:55.560 career is I read in I don't know, the Comic 0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:58.560 Buyer's Guide that they were going to do an animated Batman. 0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:02.480 And I saw the and producers they were putting forward. 0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:05.120 I said, oh, my gosh, this is clearly going to 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:09.240 be a step above the Saturnnay Morning, you know super 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:13.320 Friends version. This looks like it's going to be intelligently 0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:16.680 written for once. They were getting people instead of, you know, 0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:19.360 hiring people that have never done the character, and they 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:21.880 read the best of Batman over the weekend and start 0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:24.840 writing a script on Monday. And they were getting people 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:29.720 that had long, decades long experience with not just that character, 0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:33.800 but all the you know, comic book characters. So I said, 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:39.160 I'd love to audition for the Joker. And no, I said, 0:58:39.400 --> 0:58:41.640 I'd love to audition, but I wanted to play a 0:58:41.720 --> 0:58:45.600 villain that never been done before, clay Face, two face, whatever. 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:47.800 But they said, you have an audition for the Joker. 0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:51.120 I said, oh, it's a little too high profile. Jack 0:58:51.240 --> 0:58:55.280 Nicholson was so great. She's a romero anyway. The only 0:58:55.400 --> 0:59:00.560 reason I think I had confidence was about two months 0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:05.240 earlier they cast Michael Keaton as Batman, and all the 0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:08.480 Dan boys lost their minds. Oh my god, he's mister Mom. 0:59:08.880 --> 0:59:12.479 He can't be Batman, blah blah blah without seeing him 0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:16.800 play the part. Ever, so what I'm saying in that atmosphere, 0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:21.360 I said, if you think they lost their minds over 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:24.680 mister Mom playing Batman, how are they gonna feel about 0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:29.880 Luke Skywalker playing the Joker. There's no way they can 0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:32.720 cast me. So normally you go in and if you 0:59:32.880 --> 0:59:35.880 want the part a lot, Sometimes your anxiety can get 0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:39.000 the better of you. They can sense a neediness that 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:42.320 makes them uncomfortable. You're off your game because you're nerves 0:59:42.400 --> 0:59:44.680 or whatever. Here, I thought, well, since there's no way 0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:46.720 I can get it, I'm going to make them lose. 0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:49.720 I'm gonna make them sorry they can't hire me, and 0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:53.160 I just let it rip and had the greatest time 0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:59.400 in my life. And what happened was it really turned 0:59:59.440 --> 1:00:02.160 my career in the sense that opened up doors in 1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:06.040 the voiceover world, and the voiceover world is one of 1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:11.280 the most talented subsets of show business. And everywhere you go, 1:00:11.360 --> 1:00:13.520 if you do your job and you're on time, you're 1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:17.000 not a prima donna. You get accepted by the Broadway community, 1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:22.360 the off Broadway community, and so forth. So you know, 1:00:23.000 --> 1:00:27.240 once I started doing various parts other than the joker, 1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:31.840 I was very quickly accepted by people that I admire 1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:34.840 so much. And I don't know, I've lost count of 1:00:34.840 --> 1:00:38.160 how many cartoons have done over one thousand since ninety two, 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:43.400 but yeah, they cast with their ears, not their eyes, 1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:46.360 so you're going to be able to play characters that 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:49.840 you would never get on camera. And you know, I 1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:53.320 never got to do dialects until I did voiceover. Then 1:00:53.360 --> 1:00:55.440 I could do Australia, and I could do Cockney, I 1:00:55.440 --> 1:00:58.720 could do whatever, because they unless you're Meryl Street, they 1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:01.480 if they wanted at you, they'll hire an Australian. 1:01:12.960 --> 1:01:14.680 So Mark, how does that work? Get a voiceover? They 1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:16.720 give you the script and then and then they give 1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:18.200 you like, hey, you have a month to do this, 1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:19.800 and you do it every day. I mean, how does 1:01:19.840 --> 1:01:20.320 that go about? 1:01:20.320 --> 1:01:21.320 With the voiceover stuff? 1:01:21.560 --> 1:01:23.960 Well, you usually get the script the night before or 1:01:23.960 --> 1:01:27.360 two days before you go in and they record the 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:30.760 voice first then send it overseas. Unfortunely, I wish they 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:35.280 wouldn't outsource, but it's animated somewhere else, and so the 1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:38.960 finished product doesn't show up to at least nine months 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:42.400 to maybe eighteen months later, which is why I've missed 1:01:42.440 --> 1:01:44.480 so many of the things I've done, because they don't 1:01:44.480 --> 1:01:47.720 send you an email say hey, your episode of Powerpuff 1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:51.920 Girls is on this Tuesday, and if you don't really 1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:53.560 keep it. When the kids were small, I see a 1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:57.160 lot of seriously go wait, you guys, I think that's 1:01:57.240 --> 1:01:59.720 me playing the gangster squirrel. 1:02:00.120 --> 1:02:00.920 Yeah, yeah, that's me. 1:02:01.080 --> 1:02:01.400 That's me. 1:02:02.160 --> 1:02:04.360 But I got it by accident. 1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:07.280 By the way, Mark, it's interesting you you were. You 1:02:07.680 --> 1:02:10.120 talked about being type We talked about being type cast. 1:02:10.440 --> 1:02:13.520 You talked about how you can lose yourself in an 1:02:13.560 --> 1:02:17.200 animation frame and become something so much bigger than what 1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:21.840 you physically are are perceived as. But what you by 1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:26.880 definition attracted to the villain character even before Joker in 1:02:27.240 --> 1:02:30.680 order to express your desire to be more than what 1:02:30.720 --> 1:02:32.480 you were type cast for. When he was at the 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:37.080 impetus for trying to find that contrary and frame, it must. 1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:40.320 Have been because I'm so pure in one note, but 1:02:40.400 --> 1:02:43.680 I thought the best part was Darth Vader. Now he's 1:02:43.720 --> 1:02:46.440 only in the movie maybe twelve minutes, but in terms 1:02:46.440 --> 1:02:51.920 of impact and gravitas, you know, that's hard to top. 1:02:52.720 --> 1:02:57.080 But you know, I have to to tell you that 1:02:58.760 --> 1:03:02.920 recently on its on Netflix now Mike Flanagan, who I 1:03:03.000 --> 1:03:05.440 was a huge fan of from the Haunting of Hill House, 1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:07.960 the Haunting of Blind Man, or Midnight Mass and so 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:11.720 for I was a huge fan. He requested a meeting 1:03:11.760 --> 1:03:14.280 with me, came over the house with Trevor Macy, the producer, 1:03:14.840 --> 1:03:17.360 and pitched me the Fall of the House of Usher, 1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:21.200 and I was going to he was wanted to hire. 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:25.440 It's this criminal family. It's you know, he puts reality 1:03:25.520 --> 1:03:28.720 into his fantasy so you can relate to it. The 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:34.200 Usher family is making billions of dollars on ligadone, which 1:03:34.240 --> 1:03:37.280 is killing hundreds of thousands of people. Oh it's the 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:42.360 Sackler family. Yeah, I get that. So he grounds it 1:03:42.360 --> 1:03:44.320 in reality you can relate to. And I was asked 1:03:44.320 --> 1:03:50.760 to play this amoral, soulless sociopath lawyer who covers up 1:03:50.800 --> 1:03:55.800 for he's the long lifelong attorney for the Usher family. 1:03:56.360 --> 1:04:00.600 Just pure evil. And when I read script, I thought, 1:04:00.640 --> 1:04:03.040 oh my god, I don't have no idea how I 1:04:03.080 --> 1:04:06.560 will approach this. But if Mike thinks I can do it, 1:04:06.680 --> 1:04:09.640 I've got to do it. So I agreed. And it 1:04:09.720 --> 1:04:14.760 was scary because you know, normally you have some concept 1:04:14.800 --> 1:04:18.640 of how you should play this character, what the script 1:04:18.720 --> 1:04:21.600 requires from you to make it all work. And it's 1:04:21.640 --> 1:04:25.280 a big ensemble cast. I'm a supporting player and like this. 1:04:25.480 --> 1:04:28.440 And that's typical of Mike's projects. You know, he has 1:04:28.480 --> 1:04:33.840 all these wonderful actors who I had already admired. I thought, 1:04:34.280 --> 1:04:36.360 I just want to meet these people, because you know, 1:04:36.400 --> 1:04:38.720 a lot of them I never seen before. Henry Thomas 1:04:38.800 --> 1:04:42.400 i'd seen, but twelve of them i'd never seen before. Anyway, 1:04:43.160 --> 1:04:45.560 it came very late in the game, but once I 1:04:45.600 --> 1:04:48.080 got to pick the wardrobe and figured out, well, this 1:04:48.160 --> 1:04:49.400 is the guy that gets out of the bed in 1:04:49.480 --> 1:04:51.240 the morning. When he gets out of the show, he's 1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:53.840 gonna just wipe his head once and not do any product. 1:04:53.960 --> 1:04:55.840 So I said, kind it short enough so it's not 1:04:55.960 --> 1:04:59.520 sticking up, just short enough so it lays down. Then 1:04:59.600 --> 1:05:03.480 they found I found these glasses, and I found the 1:05:03.560 --> 1:05:06.400 hat and I looked in the mirror and it wasn't 1:05:06.440 --> 1:05:10.560 me anymore. It was Arthur Gordon Pim, who the other 1:05:10.680 --> 1:05:14.880 characters referred to as the Pim Reaper. So the last 1:05:14.960 --> 1:05:17.080 element they came. We went to do the first scene 1:05:17.840 --> 1:05:24.240 on my first day of work with Madeline and Roderick, 1:05:24.400 --> 1:05:28.280 the brother and sister that are the head ushers. And 1:05:28.800 --> 1:05:32.920 I didn't plan this, but when I started talking, I 1:05:33.040 --> 1:05:36.920 started talking like this. Well, we tried to contact him, 1:05:36.960 --> 1:05:40.600 but he won't return our calls because I want to 1:05:40.640 --> 1:05:46.320 impart this deadness in him. And later in the morning, 1:05:46.680 --> 1:05:50.360 when Mike walked passed, he said, love the voice, and 1:05:50.440 --> 1:05:54.880 I thought, I'm home, because once you have the blessing 1:05:54.920 --> 1:05:58.760 of your director. And Mike fin mcnari did the other 1:05:58.840 --> 1:06:01.600 He did four and I did for But I mean, 1:06:01.720 --> 1:06:04.680 I just it was the first time I ever got 1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:07.920 to do I did a typical roles all the time 1:06:08.040 --> 1:06:11.800 in voiceover. I mean, you play all these different gangsters 1:06:11.840 --> 1:06:16.520 and well, like I said, a gangster squirrel. But this 1:06:16.680 --> 1:06:18.160 was the first time I was ever get to do 1:06:18.240 --> 1:06:23.040 it on camera. And I'm really grateful for him. I 1:06:23.120 --> 1:06:25.960 formed a real bond with him, and I've got a 1:06:26.000 --> 1:06:29.000 movie coming out that he directed based on a Stephen 1:06:29.120 --> 1:06:32.000 King novel called The Life of Chuck, which comes out 1:06:32.040 --> 1:06:35.640 when in May. And I'm thinking, wait a second, these 1:06:35.680 --> 1:06:39.919 two titans of horror, Stephen King and Mike Flanagan, I'm 1:06:39.960 --> 1:06:45.960 expecting the script to be, you know, the horror epic 1:06:46.000 --> 1:06:49.520 of all time. It is the sweetest, most pointed. It 1:06:49.840 --> 1:06:52.680 is not horror at all. It's the story of a 1:06:52.720 --> 1:06:56.120 boy named Chuck, you seem at four different stages until 1:06:56.160 --> 1:06:59.080 he grows up to be Tom Middleston. And I'm telling 1:06:59.080 --> 1:07:02.479 you they showed it the Toronto Film Festival. I'd seen 1:07:02.480 --> 1:07:05.080 a screening at Mike's house, but I saw it with 1:07:05.160 --> 1:07:10.760 an audience and I can't tell you what elation I felt, 1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:15.400 because they loved it. They laughed the everything it's it's 1:07:15.440 --> 1:07:18.000 it's so uh, I said, I don't know how you're 1:07:18.000 --> 1:07:21.520 going to quote this because it's completely indescribable. You just 1:07:21.640 --> 1:07:23.880 have to see it to believe it. 1:07:23.920 --> 1:07:25.720 But Mark, the greatest thing about you, which I love 1:07:25.760 --> 1:07:28.520 and I appreciate, is that you're the epitome of you 1:07:28.680 --> 1:07:31.040 live to work instead of work to live. We just 1:07:31.080 --> 1:07:33.640 talked about our good friend Bill Belichick, who's coaching again. 1:07:34.120 --> 1:07:36.640 You You don't want to retire to fishing village in 1:07:36.680 --> 1:07:39.160 Portugal or go to Anguela and sit in the beach. 1:07:39.280 --> 1:07:43.080 You want to You're working more now than it's insane 1:07:43.160 --> 1:07:45.200 what you're doing, which is incredible. So you love what 1:07:45.280 --> 1:07:47.720 you're doing, and this is what you want to continue 1:07:47.720 --> 1:07:49.480 to do it correct. There's no there's no shutting it 1:07:49.520 --> 1:07:50.000 down for you. 1:07:51.160 --> 1:07:53.400 I mean, I have I have a movie out now, 1:07:53.800 --> 1:07:56.760 the Wild Robot. I'm the voice of Thorn the Bear, and. 1:07:56.840 --> 1:08:00.840 Which is again all kinds of awards. Congratulations next level. 1:08:01.080 --> 1:08:03.720 Yeah. I mean last year I was a Voice and 1:08:03.760 --> 1:08:06.120 the Boy and the Hair and which won the Oscar. 1:08:06.280 --> 1:08:10.280 This time they're talking about an Oscar nomination for Wild Robot. 1:08:10.320 --> 1:08:13.040 And next year I have three things coming out of 1:08:13.120 --> 1:08:16.960 the Life of Chuck, which I told you about, the 1:08:17.040 --> 1:08:20.000 Long Walk, which is based on a Stephen King novel, 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:24.000 and those teams. This one really is horrific. In fact, 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:25.960 when I read it, I was just so turned off. 1:08:26.000 --> 1:08:29.720 I said, ugh, you know once you have to what 1:08:29.760 --> 1:08:31.720 we have to do is you have to don't think 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:35.240 like Mark, think like the character, because villains don't think 1:08:35.320 --> 1:08:39.120 they are villains. They think they're doing what's right, even 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:42.800 though an objective observer would say, this guy's horrible. So 1:08:42.920 --> 1:08:45.400 once I got into that, and plus, it's about all 1:08:45.439 --> 1:08:48.799 these young men. It's all these twenty one year old guys, 1:08:49.360 --> 1:08:52.400 and I'm not really the villain, but the state is 1:08:52.439 --> 1:08:54.719 the villain, and I represent the state. So in that case, 1:08:55.000 --> 1:08:57.800 I am the villain. And my son read it and said, Dad, 1:08:57.840 --> 1:09:00.679 you got to do this, So I thought he because 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:02.680 I said, I'll watch this someday. I don't want to 1:09:02.680 --> 1:09:05.160 be in it, but I'm glad I did. I'm glad 1:09:05.160 --> 1:09:08.000 I got over myself. And the last one, what's the 1:09:08.040 --> 1:09:11.120 last one? Oh, I'm in the I'm in the new 1:09:11.200 --> 1:09:15.479 SpongeBob SquarePants movie, which comes out in December with Tom 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:18.200 will have one of my I've been friends with this 1:09:18.240 --> 1:09:21.240 guy for thirty years, one of the nicest men in 1:09:21.280 --> 1:09:24.679 show business. And I'm telling you he is so pure 1:09:25.200 --> 1:09:30.679 and so genuine you realize he is SpongeBob in real 1:09:30.720 --> 1:09:36.880 life because he's relentlessly optimistic, and whenever you are around 1:09:36.960 --> 1:09:40.360 him or his wife, Jill Tally, they just lift your spirits. 1:09:41.080 --> 1:09:45.719 Speaking of life, real life and not necessarily lifting the spirits. 1:09:45.720 --> 1:09:48.560 It would be remiss if I didn't ask you you know, 1:09:48.600 --> 1:09:51.480 a big part of your life and all these iterations 1:09:51.520 --> 1:09:54.400 and just the longevity that Doug talks about, and your 1:09:54.439 --> 1:09:58.240 resilience as an actor, and your remarkable career that seems 1:09:58.240 --> 1:10:02.120 to be gaining speed steam not losing steam. But one 1:10:02.160 --> 1:10:05.160 thing you're known for is your activism and your willingness 1:10:05.160 --> 1:10:07.960 to assert a point of view in a very public 1:10:08.040 --> 1:10:12.479 way and accept all the slings and arrows that may 1:10:12.520 --> 1:10:16.840 come your way, the adihilation and the condemnation both And 1:10:16.920 --> 1:10:19.800 I imagine particularly from a political sphere, when did you 1:10:19.960 --> 1:10:22.679 start to find that voice or when did you start 1:10:22.720 --> 1:10:27.920 to express that inner voice as someone that wanted to 1:10:27.920 --> 1:10:31.360 be known for something more than just the work you 1:10:31.400 --> 1:10:32.120 did on screen. 1:10:33.560 --> 1:10:37.120 Well, I've always been interested in politics, as far back 1:10:37.160 --> 1:10:41.920 as when I I would have been eight, when Nixon 1:10:41.960 --> 1:10:45.880 and Kennedy ran and I said to my mom, you know, 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:51.439 because you see jfk And he just radiated charmed. He 1:10:51.600 --> 1:10:56.799 was funny, he was inspirational, and you know, Nixon reminded 1:10:56.920 --> 1:10:59.559 me of the scary teacher in school that you didn't 1:10:59.600 --> 1:11:03.400 want to be around. Let me just you know. And 1:11:03.439 --> 1:11:07.160 I said to my mom, why is Dan voting for Nixon? 1:11:07.240 --> 1:11:09.920 I just don't get it. Yeah, I had no political 1:11:10.520 --> 1:11:12.800 point of view. I didn't know what any issues were. 1:11:13.040 --> 1:11:15.360 I'm just saying just from the standpoint of the way, 1:11:15.360 --> 1:11:18.000 a dog will sniff you and either walk away or 1:11:18.040 --> 1:11:23.839 want cuddles. Dogs know. And she said, well, don't tell him, 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:26.840 but I'm voting for JFK. Those were in the days 1:11:26.840 --> 1:11:30.760 where the white hat slavishly follow the husband. But no. 1:11:30.800 --> 1:11:35.240 I also, I've always been engaged. The first election that 1:11:35.320 --> 1:11:38.080 I was able to vote was in nineteen seventy two. 1:11:38.960 --> 1:11:42.000 I read an interview with play on Playboy magazine with 1:11:42.040 --> 1:11:44.720 George McGovern. I said, oh my god, not only do 1:11:44.840 --> 1:11:48.760 I despise Nixon, but this guy is I mean, I'm 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:53.479 wholeheartedly in love with every position he has. So I 1:11:53.560 --> 1:11:58.720 went to after school and LACC. I'd go to McGovern headquarters, 1:11:59.040 --> 1:12:02.360 stuff on below, go door to door, make phone calls, 1:12:02.360 --> 1:12:06.519 all the things that we do. And of course that's 1:12:06.560 --> 1:12:11.000 my first election. It was crushed one of them, yes exactly, 1:12:11.400 --> 1:12:14.200 and so you could have even given up or said, 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:17.920 you know, double down and stick stick with it, and 1:12:17.960 --> 1:12:21.719 that's what I did. So I never I've never missed 1:12:21.720 --> 1:12:24.760 an election. I'm even local races, you know, whether it's 1:12:24.800 --> 1:12:28.519 a mayor or committ you know, councilman whatever. I always vote, 1:12:29.560 --> 1:12:33.000 but I was never asked to be so I supported 1:12:33.080 --> 1:12:39.240 every Democrat, you know, Mondale, you'd name it Clinton, Barack Obama. 1:12:41.080 --> 1:12:43.040 But they never asked me to be a part of 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:45.719 the campaign. I just told my talked to my friends 1:12:45.720 --> 1:12:49.200 and made sure they were all voting and government Do 1:12:49.360 --> 1:12:52.679 Caucus asked me to join the campaign in the last 1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:55.840 six weeks when it was things were really dire, and 1:12:55.960 --> 1:12:58.519 of course I did that. I went with him and 1:12:58.880 --> 1:13:04.120 we went all over the Northeast. And I remember, because 1:13:04.360 --> 1:13:06.519 you get your assignments, they say, okay, you get on 1:13:06.520 --> 1:13:08.519 that bus, you get in this car. At one point 1:13:08.600 --> 1:13:13.760 they said you get in the governor's limousine. And I 1:13:13.840 --> 1:13:19.639 was there with Michael Lucucus and he said, so, Mark, 1:13:19.960 --> 1:13:24.160 I understand you have a daughter named Chelsea and I said, yeah, 1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:28.120 she's my youngest. He said, you know Bill Clinton has 1:13:28.160 --> 1:13:32.160 a daughter named Chelsea. I said, oh, are you considering 1:13:32.240 --> 1:13:34.880 him to be maybe on the ticket with He goes, well, 1:13:34.960 --> 1:13:36.639 he's got a bit of a woman problem. 1:13:38.360 --> 1:13:42.879 How's that for foreshadowing us? And a good do Caucus. 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:45.120 By the way, Mark, well done. I don't want to 1:13:45.120 --> 1:13:47.679 hear you do me after this, I'm not a little worried. 1:13:48.000 --> 1:13:52.000 Well, listen, the thing is, I never like you to 1:13:52.080 --> 1:14:00.360 your question. I never became active until wanting to make 1:14:00.400 --> 1:14:03.040 sure that first of all, I was devastating. I want 1:14:03.080 --> 1:14:05.439 to get rid of the electoral college because Hillery Beatium 1:14:05.840 --> 1:14:08.799 by three million votes just to Shy under three million, 1:14:09.360 --> 1:14:13.160 and Gore be w by half a million. And it 1:14:13.240 --> 1:14:15.400 was making me crazy because I started reading about the 1:14:15.400 --> 1:14:18.280 electoral college. Oh my god, this is the remnants of 1:14:18.400 --> 1:14:21.919 slave days when they were trying to you know, proportion 1:14:22.080 --> 1:14:24.759 the amount of votes with you know, how many slaves 1:14:24.800 --> 1:14:27.960 you owned, and oh it's awful. But anyway, so that 1:14:28.080 --> 1:14:30.559 in Citizens United I'd like to get rid of. But 1:14:30.800 --> 1:14:36.479 in any case, I started, as you said, you get 1:14:37.040 --> 1:14:40.920 most scorching hate tweets from the MAGA crowd, and when 1:14:40.960 --> 1:14:43.599 I was still on Twitter, I had to stop reading 1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:47.360 the responses. I wouldn't block anyone because then they could 1:14:47.439 --> 1:14:50.679 display Mark Hamill blocked you as a badge of honor. 1:14:50.920 --> 1:14:54.519 But I muted like a mofo. I would mute, you know. 1:14:54.800 --> 1:14:56.360 I looked up one day and like, oh my god, 1:14:56.360 --> 1:14:59.280 I've been muting people for forty minutes. So once I 1:14:59.320 --> 1:15:02.120 realized how it was eating into my own time, I said, 1:15:02.240 --> 1:15:05.080 the only thing to do is don't read the response. 1:15:05.360 --> 1:15:06.080 You just can't. 1:15:06.200 --> 1:15:06.679 You can't. 1:15:07.400 --> 1:15:10.360 And someone said to me, my daughter would say, Daddy, 1:15:10.360 --> 1:15:14.719 you shouldn't tweet politically so much, because you know, people 1:15:14.720 --> 1:15:17.519 get so angry. And so I wrote a tweet that 1:15:17.560 --> 1:15:20.920 I said, the people complaining about my Trump tweets have 1:15:21.000 --> 1:15:24.280 to understand I love my country and I feel it's 1:15:24.280 --> 1:15:29.519 my patriotic duty to oppose this sociopathic well, I forget 1:15:29.680 --> 1:15:33.320 the other word, whatever it was, with every fiber of 1:15:33.320 --> 1:15:37.759 my being. And that's the way I've been, I thought, 1:15:37.840 --> 1:15:41.559 I mean, I do feel it's an obligation. And who 1:15:41.600 --> 1:15:44.120 cares about your career? People say, oh, well, it's hurting 1:15:44.120 --> 1:15:46.799 your career because you have to appeal to the whole country, 1:15:46.880 --> 1:15:50.400 not just half the country or forty five percent or 1:15:50.400 --> 1:15:56.160 whatever the MAGA crowd is. But I said, in a 1:15:56.600 --> 1:15:59.240 grander scheme of things, who cares if I lose a 1:15:59.240 --> 1:16:02.400 part in the movie Because I hate the orange atrocity 1:16:02.720 --> 1:16:06.639 I do, and I want people to notice. So that's 1:16:06.680 --> 1:16:08.479 what I've done. 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:20.240 So here's the deal. 1:16:20.320 --> 1:16:22.320 Mark, If our guy here runs in four years. We 1:16:22.400 --> 1:16:25.479 know the way in the sprinter van with me and 1:16:25.520 --> 1:16:26.559 more Shawn and Gavin. 1:16:26.720 --> 1:16:29.200 How about that, Mark, No, it's gonna be a Corvette 1:16:29.200 --> 1:16:32.479 because my favorite movie is Corvette Summer. You guys forgot 1:16:32.479 --> 1:16:35.040 about Corvette Summer. Everyone forgot about. 1:16:36.400 --> 1:16:38.200 You. 1:16:38.520 --> 1:16:41.320 Hey, Marshaan, you got to check out Corvette Summer like 1:16:41.400 --> 1:16:42.200 it's sweet. 1:16:42.360 --> 1:16:45.479 When Annie and I filmed the movie, it wasn't called 1:16:45.800 --> 1:16:50.080 Corvette Summer. Is called Dantley and Vanessa, a Fiberglass Romance. 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:53.719 And then god MGM changed the title of the Corvette Summer. 1:16:53.760 --> 1:16:56.320 We all went, oh, no, it sounds like, you know, 1:16:56.600 --> 1:17:00.200 drive in garbage. And it's a really sweet little moviere 1:17:00.240 --> 1:17:03.559 a kid he's in love with the car. Over the 1:17:03.560 --> 1:17:05.760 course of the movie winds up falling in love with 1:17:05.800 --> 1:17:07.879 this girl and he doesn't care about the car anymore. 1:17:08.040 --> 1:17:10.560 So I thought it had an interesting message. 1:17:10.680 --> 1:17:13.080 But Mark, you've been an Mark, You've been an Oakland guy. 1:17:13.240 --> 1:17:15.800 Marshan be an Oakland guy. I think Marshawn would be 1:17:15.840 --> 1:17:17.599 great in some voiceovers as well. I think we've got 1:17:17.640 --> 1:17:19.800 to connect you guys, know, man, I want to I 1:17:19.840 --> 1:17:22.599 want to try this shit so bad. Should you should? 1:17:23.000 --> 1:17:23.919 I'm been doing. 1:17:24.960 --> 1:17:28.000 A lot of what is it a d R Yes. 1:17:28.439 --> 1:17:32.800 Additional dialogue recording, get the three bet beep beep, come 1:17:32.840 --> 1:17:36.040 in and on the fourth Yeah, what I'm saying, Marshawn, 1:17:36.360 --> 1:17:39.200 if you go into voiceover, see, they're not gonna look 1:17:39.240 --> 1:17:42.640 at you and say he's type. They're gonna listen to 1:17:42.720 --> 1:17:45.439 your voice and if your voice is right, you're gonna 1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:47.920 get it regardless of how you look. So and not 1:17:48.040 --> 1:17:53.160 only that, but voiceover is the ultimate lazy actor's dream 1:17:53.680 --> 1:17:56.000 because you don't have to memorize lines. 1:17:56.080 --> 1:17:56.680 You read it. 1:17:57.200 --> 1:18:00.240 You can you can come in looking like hell because 1:18:00.240 --> 1:18:04.000 they don't see you. It's I said, where's this been 1:18:04.120 --> 1:18:08.160 on my life? When I did a chess Yes, and 1:18:08.240 --> 1:18:13.519 I'm in the early nineties, and I'm telling you it's 1:18:13.800 --> 1:18:16.040 you can make a lot more money in television movies, 1:18:16.080 --> 1:18:19.320 but it's volume, volume volume. If you're doing three four 1:18:19.360 --> 1:18:24.600 hundred cartoons a year, that adds up. So some of 1:18:24.640 --> 1:18:32.679 these people are the Jim Cummings, Tom Kenny there, Rob Paulson. 1:18:32.800 --> 1:18:35.360 These are the most famous people you've never heard. 1:18:35.160 --> 1:18:38.400 Of, but we've heard from. Is what you're saying, yeah, 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:40.880 because we're hearing their voice over and over and over again. 1:18:41.000 --> 1:18:43.280 And it's the best of both worlds because I mean, 1:18:44.400 --> 1:18:47.639 you can be anonymous and go anywhere you want. I mean, 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:51.719 if I go to like you know, last Star Wars 1:18:51.760 --> 1:18:56.439 thing I went to, there's dealers there, not fans dealers. 1:18:56.520 --> 1:18:59.560 Because memorabilia is such a big deal. They get you 1:18:59.720 --> 1:19:01.960 stick you're on a poster. The value. 1:19:02.000 --> 1:19:04.320 Can you imagine walking with Mark in a Star Wars convention? 1:19:04.520 --> 1:19:06.320 I mean, are you kidding me? 1:19:07.160 --> 1:19:09.599 And they follow you all the way to your car. 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:13.160 I've been followed home where they stop at the red 1:19:13.240 --> 1:19:16.400 lights and run your car during red lights. They followed 1:19:16.400 --> 1:19:18.200 me all the way to the base where I turned 1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:19.439 to go up the hill to where I live, and 1:19:19.479 --> 1:19:21.040 I got out of the car and said, look, you guys, 1:19:21.479 --> 1:19:25.679 please don't follow me all the way home. And it's 1:19:25.800 --> 1:19:27.519 like a nuisance. I mean, I remember when I was 1:19:27.520 --> 1:19:29.960 a kid and I said, a hard day snile. I went, oh, 1:19:30.040 --> 1:19:32.400 that's what I want. You know, the Beatle they were 1:19:32.400 --> 1:19:35.559 being chased down the street and girls were clamoring for them, 1:19:35.600 --> 1:19:38.760 and it just seemed I wanted it recently emptying. What 1:19:38.840 --> 1:19:42.320 a horror movie this is. They have no life. They 1:19:42.360 --> 1:19:44.639 go from a car to a studio through a car 1:19:44.800 --> 1:19:49.599 to a hotel room. It's just like it's horrible, and 1:19:49.960 --> 1:19:51.840 you know you don't want to be ungrateful. And I 1:19:51.880 --> 1:19:54.800 do love the fans, I can't stand the dealers. And 1:19:55.439 --> 1:19:57.639 like I said, just a commodity. I mean we signed 1:19:57.640 --> 1:20:00.280 stuff at Universal, We drive home to maunt of who 1:20:00.600 --> 1:20:03.439 you know, forty five through an hour later and my 1:20:03.560 --> 1:20:05.920 son goes, hey, Dad, that stuff you signed in the 1:20:05.920 --> 1:20:10.639 garage is already on eBay dot. Don't put it to anyone. 1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:12.840 It's a gift and I'm not sure who I want 1:20:12.880 --> 1:20:14.439 to give it to you. I might as well sign 1:20:14.479 --> 1:20:19.320 it best wishes eBay because you know that thank you, 1:20:19.720 --> 1:20:22.360 I say, instead of me signing your lightsaber, I'm about 1:20:22.360 --> 1:20:23.160 a saltie. 1:20:23.840 --> 1:20:26.400 How about a come tell me your son didn't your 1:20:26.400 --> 1:20:29.360 son hasn't snuck a piece of memorabilea. Did your son 1:20:29.400 --> 1:20:31.080 ever ask you say, hey dad, can you sign this 1:20:31.160 --> 1:20:33.280 for me? When you weren't helping him with the allowance 1:20:33.400 --> 1:20:34.120 or something nose? 1:20:34.240 --> 1:20:36.920 I do notice nowadays I said, wait a minute, didn't 1:20:36.960 --> 1:20:38.240 that used to be my shirt? 1:20:38.360 --> 1:20:44.720 They're like, well, Mark, it's been great to be with you. 1:20:44.840 --> 1:20:47.360 Thank you for being such a huge part of our lives. 1:20:47.360 --> 1:20:50.840 Our journey. You know I wasn't joking. I swear to you, 1:20:50.920 --> 1:20:53.080 I can. I can remember the exact seat in the 1:20:53.120 --> 1:20:56.760 front row left at that court of Adrea Theater after waiting. 1:20:56.760 --> 1:20:59.240 Looking at the movie like this in the front row right. 1:20:59.320 --> 1:20:59.519 I know. 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:01.679 And you you said it when you watch King Kong. 1:21:01.760 --> 1:21:04.120 I swear to you, I'm not making this up. When 1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:06.840 you said you cried, that would make no sense to me, 1:21:06.880 --> 1:21:11.839 except I remember crying watching that movie and like changed everything. 1:21:12.000 --> 1:21:14.439 I didn't know. It was what Orson Well says, don't 1:21:14.439 --> 1:21:16.760 give people you think they want, give what you never 1:21:16.840 --> 1:21:20.120 thought was possible, And it was. And it was that moment. 1:21:20.200 --> 1:21:23.959 It just expanded quite literally, not just figuratively, a universe. 1:21:24.000 --> 1:21:26.120 And so you've been such part of that. But you 1:21:26.200 --> 1:21:30.120 also I admire, and I of course you know, unsurprisingly 1:21:30.200 --> 1:21:32.680 may say this, but I also I admire your activism. 1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:35.679 You're willing to be yourself, the willing to have a conviction, 1:21:36.560 --> 1:21:40.360 and willing to put yourself out there regardless of what 1:21:40.439 --> 1:21:43.920 other people are thinking. And I appreciate you've been on 1:21:44.000 --> 1:21:46.040 the right side of so many issues. So it's great 1:21:46.080 --> 1:21:48.720 to be with you, and thank you for continuing to 1:21:48.800 --> 1:21:49.840 be such an inspiration. 1:21:50.120 --> 1:21:53.640 We're down, but we're not out. We're not going to 1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:58.440 capitulate in advance. I was really sorry Chris Ray decided 1:21:58.479 --> 1:22:02.439 to resign instead of, you know, going the distance. And 1:22:02.880 --> 1:22:05.640 because I'm telling you one thing I would like to 1:22:05.640 --> 1:22:12.520 say before we leave. If we can't agree on proven facts, 1:22:12.640 --> 1:22:15.679 the conversation shuts down. There's nowhere to go from there. 1:22:16.360 --> 1:22:23.360 So if you believe the election was stolen, there's nothing 1:22:23.360 --> 1:22:27.160 else to talk about. And until that is adjudicated, I 1:22:27.280 --> 1:22:31.800 believe January sixth is adjudicated in a court of law, 1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:35.439 there's no way for us to completely heal. So that's 1:22:35.479 --> 1:22:39.200 why I'm hoping they preserve all the January sixth committee's 1:22:39.680 --> 1:22:44.679 materials and finally rule one way or the other, because 1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:48.439 it's just shocking to me that, first of all, I 1:22:48.479 --> 1:22:51.840 didn't think he could survive after inciting in an insurrection 1:22:52.040 --> 1:22:54.880 like that. I said, oh my god, thank god he's out. 1:22:55.040 --> 1:22:57.320 But I've been wrong before. I remember driving home from 1:22:57.360 --> 1:23:02.599 recording something and hearing the Hollywood access grab him by 1:23:02.600 --> 1:23:04.960 the privates remark. I said, oh, I wrote in my 1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:09.080 datebook campaign over no one could survive that, and yet 1:23:09.120 --> 1:23:12.280 he's been able to survive. We don't have to do 1:23:12.320 --> 1:23:15.479 the laundry list. But it's just shocking to me. It's 1:23:15.680 --> 1:23:20.040 very disillusioning because I said, up until the end with Kamala, 1:23:20.080 --> 1:23:22.519 I said she's gonna beat him by more than Joe did, 1:23:23.000 --> 1:23:27.840 because I believe there were more honest, decent people with 1:23:28.000 --> 1:23:33.439 integrity than there are magas and I was wrong. Now 1:23:33.479 --> 1:23:36.759 maybe I'm right that there are more, but they didn't 1:23:36.760 --> 1:23:40.479 all vote. And again I'm still in a state of shock. 1:23:41.240 --> 1:23:46.200 And in fact, I had second thoughts about today and 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:49.400 talking on the podcast, as I said, you know, for 1:23:49.520 --> 1:23:51.479 I don't know how many weeks it's been, but I've 1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:54.679 just been I've stopped cable news. I don't watch cable 1:23:54.720 --> 1:23:58.360 news anymore. I'm telling you I've never watched the Food 1:23:58.439 --> 1:24:01.439 Network more in my life now. 1:24:02.880 --> 1:24:04.879 So here's the deal, Mark, you have an open invite 1:24:04.920 --> 1:24:06.720 to come back to Oakland to hang out me and 1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:07.519 Marshaan and Gavin. 1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:08.880 I would be great. I love it. 1:24:09.160 --> 1:24:11.880 Well, hopefully we spared you too much politics. 1:24:12.000 --> 1:24:15.720 Frank Oz was born in Oakland. That tells Angels was 1:24:15.720 --> 1:24:16.599 born in Oakland. 1:24:17.040 --> 1:24:18.919 How about that, Marshaan Hell's Angels. 1:24:19.560 --> 1:24:21.960 You know, I was so excited to give a g 1:24:22.720 --> 1:24:25.439 key to the City of Oakland. What I didn't realize 1:24:25.840 --> 1:24:28.040 was like when I went to the ceremony, there are 1:24:28.080 --> 1:24:30.400 like seventy five other people getting one too. 1:24:32.920 --> 1:24:35.760 Everybody get a key, You get a key, You get a. 1:24:35.760 --> 1:24:39.679 Key, right right right, See when Marshan's when Marshaan's mayor, 1:24:39.720 --> 1:24:41.800 he's going to upgrade that key and he's only hand 1:24:41.880 --> 1:24:44.280 him out to select Field, right, Marshaan. 1:24:44.800 --> 1:24:46.240 You Good luck to all of you. 1:24:46.479 --> 1:24:50.280 I'm no Mark Mark I, Gavin said. I appreciate what 1:24:50.280 --> 1:24:53.360 you've done, what you're doing. I love your drive, your 1:24:53.400 --> 1:24:56.960 career has been incredible and this has been an absolute 1:24:57.000 --> 1:24:59.760 pleasure to have you on with us today. Honestly, got it, 1:24:59.800 --> 1:25:02.679 really you and I can't thank you enough. 1:25:02.680 --> 1:25:04.160 Man, Thank you my pleasure. 1:25:04.400 --> 1:25:07.360 Thanks guys, appreciate it. Chief next time. 1:25:07.960 --> 1:25:10.360 Hey, Doug, we love hearing from our listeners and if 1:25:10.360 --> 1:25:13.360 you have any questions or comments, you can email us. Doug, 1:25:13.400 --> 1:25:14.439 where do you email us? 1:25:14.600 --> 1:25:20.360 It's Politicken at iHeartRadio dot com. That's Politicken at iHeartRadio 1:25:20.439 --> 1:25:23.120 dot com. But Gavin, here's the deal. We want all 1:25:23.160 --> 1:25:26.240 the questions, good, bad, indifferent, ugly to Doug. 1:25:26.000 --> 1:25:31.000 To beast mode. Send your questions to politicking at iHeartRadio 1:25:31.320 --> 1:25:41.080 dot com.