Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy. It was sort of like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what must be like for Mick jagger.
Speaker 2: Man. What's handed man?
Speaker 3: You got Marshaw Bismall Lynch.
Speaker 4: Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Newsome and you're listening to politics
Speaker 4: you know, to be you knowing to be.
Speaker 5: Hey, Marshawn, what about this? I mean, it's it's it's
Speaker 5: been like Christmas for me. Early the greatest coach of
Speaker 5: all time, our good friend of the program who many
Speaker 5: people don't realize that you and Bill are good friends,
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick, Bill Belichick, the head coach the North Carolina
Speaker 5: I mean, Marshawn, what's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: That's crazy? That is crazy considering we just talked to
Speaker 3: Grunt and uh edam Man and edam I said he
Speaker 3: one hundred.
Speaker 2: Guaranteed that he would give back the coaching.
Speaker 5: Well, here's my thought. People are like, why is he
Speaker 5: doing this? This is crazy? But like at the end
Speaker 5: of the day, like we always say, we're on borrowed
Speaker 5: fucking time. And so if you if your coaching is
Speaker 5: in your blood, you think Bill's insider on the condo
Speaker 5: in Florida and just chilling.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think but the big back to coach.
Speaker 4: Of course he wants to coach, and he said that,
Speaker 4: he said, they said, why do you want to do this?
Speaker 4: There's better than a job, he says, I love what
Speaker 4: I do. But what about all those NFL teams that
Speaker 4: were that were I like, I look, I think a
Speaker 4: lot of them. I think a lot of them missed
Speaker 4: the boat. I think that, But you got you. We
Speaker 4: were talking about Bloody Monday a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 4: on the podcast Coming It's Coming hasn't even come, and
Speaker 4: then all those opportunities to present themselves anew every one
Speaker 4: of these head coaches.
Speaker 5: I think the problem is the perception on Coach is
Speaker 5: that they think he's going to come in and have
Speaker 5: his own people do his own thing instead of being
Speaker 5: open to possibly work with others, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Which is not I'm not saying it's the right move.
Speaker 5: I'm saying it's short sighted on these owners because it's
Speaker 5: the greatest coach of all time. Okay, yeah, you're gonna
Speaker 5: hire an assistant, to hire a coordinator defense court and
Speaker 5: offense court un versus Bill.
Speaker 4: I think it's crazy. But I think he said, you're
Speaker 4: telling me, Marshawn, you think that's is accurate that he
Speaker 4: wasn't likely going to get an NFL UH coaching opportunity,
Speaker 4: and that's why he jumped it. You would see.
Speaker 3: I just don't think it would have been in the
Speaker 3: conditions that he would apparently want.
Speaker 5: It so more Sean, the question is these youngsters. How
Speaker 5: will the youngsters deal with Bill? The college kids in
Speaker 5: this transfer portal want more money going to him for money?
Speaker 5: Do they want to play for him? How do you
Speaker 5: think these guys are going to react as far as
Speaker 5: the young guys in today's culture.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's going to show a lot. It's going
Speaker 3: to show, uh you know with those youngsters, like is
Speaker 3: they really in it for you know what, I mean,
Speaker 3: to be the best player or if they just in
Speaker 3: it for a bag and a lot of that shit
Speaker 3: is going to show because we're just talking to a
Speaker 3: lot of players that play for him, like like he
Speaker 3: he no fucking joke when it comes to you, I
Speaker 3: mean playing off. So if that's not what you're about,
Speaker 3: then you probably not gonna make it over there, most definitely.
Speaker 3: But he don'na he gonna weed out. And I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, you look at it he took you know,
Speaker 3: he take late round drafted individuals and he gonna build
Speaker 3: super teams with him. So I mean, you know it's
Speaker 3: he it's anything to do it. And then I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, just the fact that he'll be able to
Speaker 3: get exactly the kind of players that he won't then
Speaker 3: that shiit just will take care of everything. Because once
Speaker 3: you buy into the program, then it's hard to uh
Speaker 3: to to.
Speaker 2: To be beat.
Speaker 3: Which is why I think he had so much success,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, especially with with the guys that
Speaker 3: he had. It wasn't like he had a team full
Speaker 3: of fucking uh superstars. He took guys and then turned
Speaker 3: them into superstars because they bought into his program.
Speaker 5: Well, now, look like the college is a an NFL system,
Speaker 5: gut and you have a salary cap of twelve thirteen
Speaker 5: million bucks. You got to spend one hundred players, and
Speaker 5: so you now have to figure out what value upon
Speaker 5: the quarterback, the running back, O line, transfer, portal guys
Speaker 5: and all that stuff. So Bill can manage this now.
Speaker 4: Because he's got that NFL mindset.
Speaker 5: And he spent a lot of time University Washington with
Speaker 5: my client Jed Fish, his son was coordinator up there,
Speaker 5: to learn what to do.
Speaker 4: But This brings me back to the Wether way. You
Speaker 4: know what, that Washington experience may explain a lot of
Speaker 4: this one hundred percent like not overstated. Yeah, because it
Speaker 4: was interesting. You were telling me this time last year
Speaker 4: how much time Bill was actually spending up there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and hanging out, walking around engaged. That was kind of
Speaker 4: an earthly got to know it and he got to
Speaker 4: like it. Interesting. Yeah, I didn't even think about that
Speaker 4: in the.
Speaker 5: Co for for our audience. One of the great stories.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember more Sean a couple
Speaker 5: years ago, we leave it. We leave a lunch and
Speaker 5: there's media and coach and we get in the car
Speaker 5: and I'll never forget I'm in the I think I'm
Speaker 5: in the very back seat, and you and Bill are
Speaker 5: in the in the in the front seat, and where
Speaker 5: Sean looks at Bill as a coach, I fuck with you,
Speaker 5: and he's like, no, no, no, really fuck with you. Bill
Speaker 5: looks at him. It's like Marshawn, I fuck with you too.
Speaker 5: He's like no, no, no, coach, you don't understand. I really
Speaker 5: fuck you with you. And Bill's like dude. And there
Speaker 5: was a love fest between Marshawn and Bill and I
Speaker 5: think Marshaun correct me if I'm wrong. You then said, coach,
Speaker 5: by the way you do, will be in one of
Speaker 5: these rings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you won't be one of these rings. Remember that.
Speaker 4: I do remember that. It's hard to people that don't
Speaker 4: know Belichick don't know what a great guy he is.
Speaker 4: Great guy, and I mean you see him on and
Speaker 4: even the way Marshawn was describing him. If you're not
Speaker 4: bought into the program, you're out of the program. It's
Speaker 4: one thing on the field when he's coaching, that's sort
Speaker 4: of a different Bill Belichick.
Speaker 5: But off the field, there's nothing. If you're in Bill's orbit,
Speaker 5: he's he's family like I. For whatever reason, Bill and
Speaker 5: I have gotten to be very close, and I was
Speaker 5: always one of the only agency ever dealt with and
Speaker 5: communicating with. But if you're not in that orbit, he
Speaker 5: can be a scary motherfucker.
Speaker 4: Do you remember, speaking of family, You remember we had
Speaker 4: and this is one of my great memories. We're at
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. We you and I were there together.
Speaker 4: Belichick is there. He's sitting to my right and pat
Speaker 4: Riley sitting on my left, and I We're watching the
Speaker 4: forty nine ers in Miami and had Belichick and Riley,
Speaker 4: who have more Super I mean Super.
Speaker 5: Bowl and by the way, the greatest hedge fun guy
Speaker 5: of all time, Paul Peter Joe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, of course, I mean that was there was
Speaker 4: the reason the Mount Rushmore of people and Mount Rushmore
Speaker 4: of people, but the Mount Rushmore of experiences. Every single
Speaker 4: down Belichick was calling the play, literally whispering over to
Speaker 4: Riley and I saying, they're like, they're going to do
Speaker 4: a past, like, damn to do a pass. I'm like,
Speaker 4: and it's second and long. You guess running. I'm like,
Speaker 4: it ain't gonna be a running play. Coach.
Speaker 5: He goes running, like predicted every single day you had you,
Speaker 5: I mean you you. That was probably one of the
Speaker 5: unique chairs ever. I mean you're sitting between what thirteen
Speaker 5: four teen rings? It's crazy more between Belichick and Riley
Speaker 5: and Riley. You know the funniest part about that too.
Speaker 5: Riley gets up and there's someone next next to us,
Speaker 5: and the guy. As Riley leaves, he comes up to
Speaker 5: me says, hey, man, just wanted to introduce myself.
Speaker 4: My name is Sam. I said, hey, Sam, my name
Speaker 4: is Gavin goes Man. It must be so cool to
Speaker 4: have Pat Riley as your dad, He's not my father.
Speaker 4: You got that hair, man, it was the hair. But
Speaker 4: that was a hell of an experience. And uh, and
Speaker 4: that's when we got That's what I really got to
Speaker 4: know Belichick at a different level and just matter.
Speaker 5: Respect and And what's interesting where Sean lately in the NFL,
Speaker 5: He've been seeing an NBA too, like.
Speaker 4: All these robberies of these guys. You saw Joe.
Speaker 5: Burrow got robbed, Gavin if you saw that mahomes Kelsey.
Speaker 5: There is this ring across the countryes robing these athletes,
Speaker 5: which is bizarre. So these guys are going to play
Speaker 5: and it's a if you're if you're a Robert, it's
Speaker 5: a brilliant move. It's almost like Ocean is eleven movie.
Speaker 5: These guys are playing a game Monday night and they're
Speaker 5: gonna go rob Joe Burrow or whatever it may be.
Speaker 4: And watch watch your Instagram, brother, watch your Instagram what
Speaker 4: you put up there?
Speaker 2: Man, I don't play Instagram.
Speaker 4: Watch your TikTok, watch your Twitter, none of that.
Speaker 2: I don't play none of them. Ships.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I've just seen uh Tua said,
Speaker 3: somebody had I think ran up in his car or something.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they they they bowled, and I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: I think, uh, you know, rest in peace to one
Speaker 3: of the one of the greats, like you know that
Speaker 3: happened with Sean Taylor. Yeah, you're right, And I think
Speaker 3: and I think that the concept was, you know, they
Speaker 3: tried to hit his house considering thinking that he you know,
Speaker 3: he wouldn't be home, and you know just how tragic
Speaker 3: that is. But uh, Tua was saying that he went
Speaker 3: and uh he got I get some arm go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to be at his house when he
Speaker 2: when he's gone leave by the talent and shit like that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, it's getting I don't want to say it's getting
Speaker 3: but you know, now everything is you know, broadcasted through
Speaker 3: social media.
Speaker 5: Well, speaking of our guards, Moore, Sean, the insurance guy
Speaker 5: needed some of them guards as the problem. And this
Speaker 5: guy's now people looking at this. By the way, that's
Speaker 5: another thing that people look at this guy Luigi who
Speaker 5: by the way, that the guy who killed the insurance
Speaker 5: guy more Sean, you know, to me, I thought, initially
Speaker 5: in San Francisco's but California, initially I thought, maybe okay,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe his his mom had cancer. The refused
Speaker 5: payments and she died within thirty days instead of whatever
Speaker 5: it may be, none of that was actually there. People
Speaker 5: a looted this guy like he's a hero, which is
Speaker 5: really crazy.
Speaker 4: Well, they hate the insurance companies and they hate the
Speaker 4: fact the insurance companies den I so much coverage and
Speaker 4: people are dying on their watch. And there's a lot there,
Speaker 4: But that doesn't excuse someone from being assassinated. Someone being
Speaker 4: killed from behind doesn't absolutely doesn't excuse a horrific act.
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, everything about that disturbed me on every
Speaker 4: damn level. I mean, we can there's a plenty of
Speaker 4: time and plenty of ways to focus on insurance abuse,
Speaker 4: and I take a back seat to no one. I
Speaker 4: happened to be governor of a state that's only stay
Speaker 4: in America that's provided universal healthcare regardless of preexistent condition,
Speaker 4: ability to pay, or your immigration status. It's controversial, but
Speaker 4: the fact is we're doing it at a whole different
Speaker 4: level than any state in America. So I have a
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of opinions about.
Speaker 5: Being study is that screwed up?
Speaker 4: Because it is completely screwed up and in every way,
Speaker 4: shape or form, But that's not the way you highlight
Speaker 4: an issue by assassinating a guy's got two young kids
Speaker 4: in the middle of the you know, in the middle
Speaker 4: of the streets.
Speaker 5: So now you got a twenty six year old kid
Speaker 5: who's going to be in jailed the rest of his life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's got a manifest in his life's completely destroyed.
Speaker 4: So not about nothing about this. There was some weird
Speaker 4: punitary around this, and people sort of romanticizing this. They
Speaker 4: them right about it. Everything was wrong.
Speaker 5: About it, by the way Sean they spell, by the
Speaker 5: way they say more Shawn, this guy's gotten over twenty
Speaker 5: thousand letters from women that one like married this guy
Speaker 5: already in jail, which is bizarre.
Speaker 4: No, he's been there three days. It'll be their thirty
Speaker 4: damn years. Well uh, well, and we'll see maybe more.
Speaker 2: But what was you say? He was the insurance guy?
Speaker 2: What what was his? Uh?
Speaker 4: This guy just went went right out there and assassinated
Speaker 4: a fifty year old young executive.
Speaker 2: Of which which insurance was he?
Speaker 4: United Healthcare? United Healthcare?
Speaker 2: Yeah, United Healthcare? Oh shit.
Speaker 4: But then all of a sudden, he's you know some
Speaker 4: you know, some hero to some folks. I guess on
Speaker 4: the uber left. I don't even understand. And on the
Speaker 4: uber right, I our pop men again. The world we're
Speaker 4: living in right now goes to the point of people
Speaker 4: going on your So you can you can say it's better.
Speaker 5: You could say I'm going to go I want I
Speaker 5: want Roger Good. They'll take it out because people can
Speaker 5: see t from football.
Speaker 4: You can say that.
Speaker 5: People will cole minds. Then they have trust U. I
Speaker 5: mean everybody in this whole industry. Someone's I don't think this.
Speaker 4: I can I can personally vouch for a half dozen
Speaker 4: people that I know have now security that never had
Speaker 4: in their life really because they think they're on some
Speaker 4: buddy's list and they're not. But they just think because
Speaker 4: of the nature that sort of the classes and that everything,
Speaker 4: it's not just classism. It's just there's something else going on.
Speaker 4: And by the way, speaking of that, did you guys
Speaker 4: watch that Brett farv thing I did? Do you watch
Speaker 4: that mar Sean? You miss that? Marshan?
Speaker 5: Well, it's Brett Farvard, Mark Gastineau, and Gastineau approached far
Speaker 5: At like an autograph show, you know about the sack
Speaker 5: about straight ahead side and he was he was emotionally
Speaker 5: and passed. Yeah, and it got so bad Far have
Speaker 5: had to actually leave Yea and not talk to Gaston
Speaker 5: anymore because Gas said ruined Gaston's life because it.
Speaker 4: Would have been the Sack record. It would have been.
Speaker 5: You know it's it stood for what twenty years, and
Speaker 5: you know, poor Strayians getting put in the thing and
Speaker 5: take it Far did take it time's.
Speaker 4: He didn't want to take straights hit, which was arguably understandable,
Speaker 4: but that's just mere Far.
Speaker 3: A tough So when you say you know he didn't
Speaker 3: want to take straight hand hit, bred farther A tough motherfucker, man,
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was.
Speaker 5: That man, I mean you know I think it. I
Speaker 5: think it was a I think it was. It was it.
Speaker 2: Was brother in law, thy ship going on.
Speaker 5: It was with Nod like, hey, I'm gonna roll right,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go down.
Speaker 4: You got the right. So you think the whole thing
Speaker 4: was choreographed.
Speaker 3: I mean should from the from the sounds of it,
Speaker 3: you know what, I don't. I don't uh actually remember
Speaker 3: the play, but I had a conversation with it with it,
Speaker 3: had a conversation about it with an individual, say kind
Speaker 3: of rolled out and you know, kind of dropped down
Speaker 3: and gave him that.
Speaker 2: Half a second.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it wasn't that straight hand. You know,
Speaker 3: probably needed him to do that, but I mean, you see,
Speaker 3: we're straight hening at now.
Speaker 5: Hey, But more Sean, I want to ask you. I
Speaker 5: want to ask you a serious question. I thought about
Speaker 5: this last night when I was watching the game. Your
Speaker 5: teammate walks out of the game and refuses to play.
Speaker 5: What do you do to the guy.
Speaker 4: After the game?
Speaker 2: You said? After the game?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the guy, the Niner linebacker left the game,
Speaker 5: refused to go in the games as his teammate. What
Speaker 5: do you do at the end of the game.
Speaker 2: What was going on? What prompt him to do that?
Speaker 5: Nobody knows why, but apparently he was upset he wasn't
Speaker 5: starting to playing, and so instead of going in the
Speaker 5: game in the third quarter when Greenlaw came out, he
Speaker 5: actually quit, walked off the field in the locker room
Speaker 5: and left. He's gone, well, yeah, but what does Marshaan do.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying, Well, you you know me fresh,
Speaker 3: especially if that's one of my one of my dudes,
Speaker 3: and most of the time guys I'll play with. I
Speaker 3: fucked with tough, and if he is somebody who didn't
Speaker 3: matter a situation like that happened, I'm going in the
Speaker 3: locker room to go and get.
Speaker 4: Him, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, bro, at least at least we
Speaker 3: gonna do is We're gonna finish this motherfucker out together,
Speaker 3: and then you feel me. Yeah, I mean after the game,
Speaker 3: we can go ahead and figure out, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, what type of time we on and what
Speaker 3: need to be done. But you know, a lot of
Speaker 3: guys like you know what I mean, you get you
Speaker 3: get that edge when when I'm looking over to the
Speaker 3: sideline or you know what I mean, I'm on the
Speaker 3: sideline and I and I hear Cam Chancellor talking about, hey,
Speaker 3: beach molds you up. Yeah, I'm up like that. That
Speaker 3: kind of give me going and to see one of
Speaker 3: my guys. Yeah, I mean just walk off the field now.
Speaker 3: If I'm not aware of the situation of what's going on, yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure, I'm going in the locker room telling brother, hey,
Speaker 3: let's go finish this shit out.
Speaker 2: Then figure this out.
Speaker 4: That's the beauty. So that's an open ended question, and
Speaker 4: any any of any of his players, any of his
Speaker 4: college going but Shawn is gotting reserved judgment until he
Speaker 4: finds out what's going on. Bro Niners didn't reserve any judgment.
Speaker 4: They they're getting rid of this guy. Yeah, they spend them.
Speaker 4: I guess the spending, and then they're not going to
Speaker 4: he's gonna be.
Speaker 5: If you spend them, then you don't have to pay him.
Speaker 4: You can go after signing bonus.
Speaker 5: If you cut him, then he gets everything.
Speaker 4: Can't put up with that man? All right?
Speaker 5: Listen, guys, this is an incredible moment for me because
Speaker 5: you know what a Star Wars fan I am?
Speaker 4: Are you an actual Star Wars fan? How can you
Speaker 4: not be?
Speaker 5: Seven? Forty seven times? Okay only forty And not only that.
Speaker 5: You know we have out of Oakland. I can name
Speaker 5: the athletes, but we have you know, Tom Hanks, and
Speaker 5: we got obviously more Shawn Lynch, and we have all
Speaker 5: the people, but we also Clinton California, Oakland, California. I mean,
Speaker 5: this guy is the most one of the most iconic
Speaker 5: people in the world today and we're blessed to have him.
Speaker 4: Gavin the one, the only Mark Hamill, what's up?
Speaker 1: Mark? My guys, I'm a proud product of Oakland, California.
Speaker 1: Who else was from Oakland. I'm getting a fist pump
Speaker 1: from Marshawn. So maybe he's from Oakland too.
Speaker 4: Yes, he may be the next Mark. He may be
Speaker 4: the next mayor of Oakland. The things are going.
Speaker 5: If you don't Mark. I do remember when Marshawn uh
Speaker 5: did not stand for the anthem? I think you liked
Speaker 5: his his uh that back in the day.
Speaker 4: Am I right?
Speaker 1: Probably? I mean I was. I'm always for uh, you know,
Speaker 1: resisting authority and standing up for what you believe in regardless.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was shocking to me that Colin Kaepernick
Speaker 1: suffered such consequences for express you know, it's his right
Speaker 1: to say what he wants. Now I'm wondering about how
Speaker 1: Marshawn got the nickname beast Mode.
Speaker 3: Oh man, if you're from Oakland, you know a little
Speaker 3: bit about how to start, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't it wasn't easy. It was not easy.
Speaker 2: But it started off as.
Speaker 3: As man child, and then I evolved into beast mode.
Speaker 2: That was a little more fitting.
Speaker 1: I should be clearer now. I yes, I was born
Speaker 1: in Oakland, but I was like six weeks old when
Speaker 1: we moved. Father My father was in the Navy. I
Speaker 1: was in the middle of seven kids. And I went
Speaker 1: to nine different schools in twelve years. God damn yeah,
Speaker 1: from kindergarten to twelfth grade. And I graduated Yokoma High
Speaker 1: School in Japan. So, and it was always coast to
Speaker 1: coast because it was Navy, so it would be like Oakland, Annadale, Virginia,
Speaker 1: San Diego, Pennsylvania, San Jose, Williamsburg. You never never the Midwest.
Speaker 1: Always coast to coast to coast. Do you pick up.
Speaker 4: Japanese when you were out in Japan?
Speaker 1: Well, when you're there, especially when we lived off base
Speaker 1: the first summer we lived off base. When they move
Speaker 1: you on base, everybody speaks English, including the Japanese. So
Speaker 1: I learned more in that first three months off base.
Speaker 1: And if you don't keep it up, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: turn on a Japanese television station. I'll start remembering phrases.
Speaker 1: But if you don't keep it up, you know you can't.
Speaker 1: I was never conversion. I couldn't discuss politics in Japanese.
Speaker 1: I could tell the taxi driver, wait here, turn right,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 5: Look, what age did Luke sky Walker come to be?
Speaker 5: What age when I started? How old were you I
Speaker 5: was twenty four, So twenty four years old. Here you
Speaker 5: are the most iconic, one of the most iconic characters
Speaker 5: of all time. I mean, how was that? That had
Speaker 5: to be insane?
Speaker 1: Well, you try and ground yourself, you know, because you
Speaker 1: haven't changed. Everybody around you is going nuts. You know,
Speaker 1: you sort of at the center of the hurricane. But
Speaker 1: it was crazy. I mean I eventually snuck into the
Speaker 1: back of the theater see it with an audience. I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. I mean it was like a party there.
Speaker 1: They were bouncing beach balls around. I mean, who knows it.
Speaker 4: By the way, where where were you? What city? What theater?
Speaker 4: Do you remember where you were?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I was here in southern California, and I think
Speaker 1: I snuck into the back of wherever it was, like
Speaker 1: at the Egyptian somewhere on Hollywood Boulevard. Maybe No, it
Speaker 1: was at the Gramments. It was Garments Chinese.
Speaker 4: Remember act.
Speaker 1: The day it opened May twenty fifth, seventy seven, they
Speaker 1: picked me up to go dub the thirty five millimeter
Speaker 1: prints because only the seven millimeter prints were in. I
Speaker 1: think sixteen theaters went and open. Can you imagine nowadays?
Speaker 1: They opened up in one thousand theaters, so they they're
Speaker 1: driving me in. I was in Malibu, and I said
Speaker 1: to the driver, can you drive past Grahman's Chinese Because
Speaker 1: there was a huge argument at Fox on how to
Speaker 1: promote it, and because of that, it opened with no poster.
Speaker 1: There was no They put photographs from the movie outside,
Speaker 1: but it took a while to get a poster. What
Speaker 1: shocked me was when we drove past the theater there
Speaker 1: were lines around the block. Now, I hadn't seen any
Speaker 1: ads on television, usually on Saturday Night Live or you know,
Speaker 1: those kind of programs. They they want to get the
Speaker 1: young audience there. I didn't see any ads. I can't
Speaker 1: say for sure there were none, but I didn't see any.
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, well, this is going to
Speaker 1: take a couple of weeks for word of mouth to
Speaker 1: get around because science fiction is usually very dry and serious,
Speaker 1: you know, two thousand and one and so forth, and
Speaker 1: this thing was, you know, funny. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: like a fairy tale.
Speaker 5: Remember those are the days of Rocky in seventy six,
Speaker 5: in Star Wars. I mean, these were like massive movies
Speaker 5: back in those days.
Speaker 4: I was in the front row in corner Madera, California.
Speaker 4: I'll never forget. It's ten years I mean literally ten
Speaker 4: years old. Corner Madera like I felt, but we were in
Speaker 4: the center of the universe because we're kind of felt
Speaker 4: the Marin vibe, because Lucas being out in Marina felt
Speaker 4: the Bay Area thing. So you kind of felt it
Speaker 4: was like your own personal like discovery, which you'll never forget.
Speaker 4: But the lions were the thing I remember the most.
Speaker 1: It's no surprise George stayed in Marin County. He's not
Speaker 1: comfortable in Los Angeles or southern California. And it's a
Speaker 1: wonderful place to work. I mean when I go up there,
Speaker 1: it's because everybody's so happy to be there, you know,
Speaker 1: at Skywalker Ranch by.
Speaker 4: The way Mark speaking of where you know, because place
Speaker 4: matters right now. Malibu Franklin fire. Yes, we share this
Speaker 4: in common. I from afar, you from a lived experience.
Speaker 4: How's this been going for you? The major four plus
Speaker 4: thousand acre fire down in Malibu just this week?
Speaker 1: How you doing well. We're monitoring it very closely and
Speaker 1: as as of now, it's not coming towards us because
Speaker 1: we're right near Topanga Canyon, so it's up by Pepperdine.
Speaker 1: But I mean that's just one of the things that
Speaker 1: you have to deal with living in a place like this.
Speaker 1: It's mud slides and fires. And the reason we love
Speaker 1: it so much is you feel like you're outside Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: You don't like feel like you're in town. But we're
Speaker 1: you know, we're keeping an eye on it. It's it's
Speaker 1: it was shocking how fast it grew because I was
Speaker 1: watching what I was watching, Jimmy Kimmel, and they interrupted
Speaker 1: to show that I think it was at that time
Speaker 1: ten acres were on fire, so I stayed there. An
Speaker 1: hour later, it was one hundred dang yeah, and my
Speaker 1: wife had gone to bed, and I thought, should I
Speaker 1: wake her? Ey won't bother But by three d am
Speaker 1: it was eight hundred acres, so I went up and
Speaker 1: just let her know, and she turned on the TV
Speaker 1: in our bedroom.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you had to shelter in place, right, you
Speaker 4: were sort of actually stay.
Speaker 1: We couldn't leave, which, as I said, fits in with
Speaker 1: my elderly rec loose lifestyle. But now it's open. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's open, so you know, and again, I mean, you
Speaker 1: never get used to it, but it's not like it's
Speaker 1: never happened before. And by the way, now that you're
Speaker 1: mentioning Malleble, I want to thank you signing the bill
Speaker 1: that allowed cameras to come on peace. Yeah, because it's tragic,
Speaker 1: you know, these four teenage girls walking along and the
Speaker 1: it's so narrow, especially with the added bike paths that
Speaker 1: you know, somebody gets distracted and swerves even afoot. It's
Speaker 1: really critical that and I want to thank you for that.
Speaker 5: Wait where the camera's gon No, just on pH.
Speaker 4: We've had so many We've had so many pedestrian fatalities,
Speaker 4: and it's such an iconic freeway and a lot of tourists,
Speaker 4: but not even just tourists. People get easily distracted understandably
Speaker 4: and and and Caltransit State manages and operates it. But
Speaker 4: we haven't been doing've been investing in pedestrian safety as
Speaker 4: much as we should. So we're going to finally get
Speaker 4: some cameras out there. We've got some other strategies to
Speaker 4: address just slowing folks down.
Speaker 5: Hey, Mark, I appreciate asking about the be I always
Speaker 5: love the story or two of how someone got there.
Speaker 4: Like you know, I've known Gavin for thirty years.
Speaker 5: He's my family, Like I know, he got here, and
Speaker 5: Marshaun's been my client.
Speaker 4: I know he got there.
Speaker 5: So as a navy brat like you were, take me through,
Speaker 5: really how you got from that, travel around twelve cities
Speaker 5: and night schools, whatever it may be, to become Luke Skywalker.
Speaker 4: Take me through how you got there.
Speaker 1: Well, I came to Los Angeles. You know, I my
Speaker 1: parents thought I was crazy. They said, we don't know
Speaker 1: anybody in show business, and we don't know anybody who
Speaker 1: knows someone in show was. There's no connections. There's no
Speaker 1: way that we can see this happening. Because my game
Speaker 1: plan was, well, I'll go to New York. I'll get
Speaker 1: a job as a waiter or a taxi driver and
Speaker 1: start auditioning. That's the only way I knew because I
Speaker 1: read a lot of books about people and how they
Speaker 1: got started, and that was my game plan. But my brother,
Speaker 1: my older brother, Bill, was getting married in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and I came to be the best man. And at
Speaker 1: that we talk about luck.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: His best friend was an artist named Michael Franks who
Speaker 1: had written a musical that he had hoped to bring
Speaker 1: to Broadway. And it was a summer of sixty nine
Speaker 1: and he had known me growing up because they had
Speaker 1: been friends for years and years and years. So he said,
Speaker 1: you can be in it. You don't even have to audition.
Speaker 1: I have a part for you. So I did that
Speaker 1: and one of the girls in the cast had a
Speaker 1: father who was in the music business. He worked for
Speaker 1: Neil Diamond, and he, after a performance said, if you're
Speaker 1: serious about this, I could probably introduce you to some
Speaker 1: people so you could get an agent. So I went
Speaker 1: around to all the offices and I did two scenes.
Speaker 1: I did a monologue as Snoopy from Your Good Man
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown Show comedy, and I brought his daughter, the
Speaker 1: cast mate Lauren, in to read with me. For the
Speaker 1: subject was roses. I played the Martin sheenpart to show drama.
Speaker 1: So after about six of those, an e took me on.
Speaker 1: That was the summer sixty nine. He wanted to start
Speaker 1: sending me out. I said, but no, if I don't
Speaker 1: go to college, I'll get drafted. And I didn't have
Speaker 1: any money, but luckily, as a California resident, I could
Speaker 1: get into LACC eight dollars in the pen and you
Speaker 1: were in. It's probably more now, but yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I buy zero to.
Speaker 4: Just for the records, not the full cost of attendance,
Speaker 4: but tuition's free for two years. So thank you to
Speaker 4: the you know, I'm just saying just for the record.
Speaker 1: Which is so pro you know, free education for all regardless.
Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, I sent my daughter to
Speaker 1: USC and boy is it pricey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another that's a that's that's ridiculous. Right, it's
Speaker 4: literally it's one or two of the most it's one
Speaker 4: or the second most expensive school in the United States
Speaker 4: now exactly.
Speaker 1: But she did really well. And what did she get married?
Speaker 1: What were degrees? Anyway, she did fantastic. What I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: you know, when I bought to young students and so forth,
Speaker 1: I say that you have to be ready to not
Speaker 1: only seize an opportunity, but recognize an opportunity. I said,
Speaker 1: go do dinner theater. It doesn't matter what the status
Speaker 1: of the production is. You just got to get on stage.
Speaker 1: You have to get out there. So I majored in
Speaker 1: the theater arts. But and he would send me out.
Speaker 1: One time I got a part where it was going
Speaker 1: to take five days, and I said, and he said,
Speaker 1: you've got to do this, so you know, to get
Speaker 1: your SAG card. And all that I had to lie,
Speaker 1: I said to I went to the head of the department,
Speaker 1: Jerry Blunt, and said, my mom has diabetes, which is true,
Speaker 1: but I said, she's going into the hospital. I have
Speaker 1: to go visitor in San Diego. So I went and
Speaker 1: I hit out, I got it's crazy. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is by the second summer I there, I got
Speaker 1: my union card, I had four credits. I look back
Speaker 1: and I say, it's just astonishing because a lot of
Speaker 1: these actors struggle for decades. Even some of these character
Speaker 1: actors have to grow into the way they look because
Speaker 1: they're not right at twenty four. But by the time
Speaker 1: they're forty five, they become really successful character actors. But
Speaker 1: it's the perseverance. So you know, that's what happened. And
Speaker 1: you know I did. I don't know, maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: Thirty or forty guest appearances and twelve TV movies, and
Speaker 1: then some my friend of mine said, did you hear
Speaker 1: about this movie that George Lucas is doing Star Wars?
Speaker 1: And in fact it's Robert England who plays Freddy Krueger.
Speaker 1: Into this day, even in his book he said, if
Speaker 1: it weren't for me. Mark would have never. I don't
Speaker 1: want to burst his bubble. But when I called my agent,
Speaker 1: she said, oh, yeah, you have an appointment, you know,
Speaker 1: ten days from now.
Speaker 4: I know it was already set up, huh.
Speaker 1: But the weird thing was when we went in. It
Speaker 1: was a meet and greet with Brian DePalma, who was
Speaker 1: casting Carrie the King horror film, and George and you
Speaker 1: know it's just like tell us a little about yourself
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. And so five minutes over I
Speaker 1: went out to it was a cattle call. You know,
Speaker 1: there's fifty guys there, you know, Han Solo types and
Speaker 1: Luke types. And I said to one of the actors
Speaker 1: who was Brian DePalma's assistant in there, the guy with
Speaker 1: the beard that didn't say a word, They said, you idiot,
Speaker 1: That was George Lucas. I said, oh, I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: Brian talked. And the next step was getting a screen
Speaker 1: test about ten pages long. What I'm geting to. When
Speaker 1: I got the part, you see, I hadn't read the script.
Speaker 1: I read the one scene and you couldn't make heads
Speaker 1: or tails out of it. I said to Harrison, who
Speaker 1: I tested with, I said you were in American Graffiti.
Speaker 1: You know, George, is this like a comedy or a
Speaker 1: send up, like a spoof or it just it can't
Speaker 1: be serious, right He said, Hey, you know whatever, let's
Speaker 1: just get it done. There's no help, no help at all.
Speaker 1: I said to George, is this sort of like a parody?
Speaker 1: Is it like a send up? Well, let's just do
Speaker 1: it and we'll talk about it later, which translates to
Speaker 1: let's just do it and we'll never talk about it.
Speaker 1: Because George isn't an actor type of director. He comes
Speaker 1: alive in the editing room. He doesn't want to hear
Speaker 1: about backstory or motivation or any of that stuff. Just
Speaker 1: say your lines and do your best. But what what
Speaker 1: what was astonishing is when I when I finally because
Speaker 1: you know, there's a line in the screen test. Thank
Speaker 1: god it's not in the movie to show you how
Speaker 1: difficult it was to make it sound like it was
Speaker 1: natural dialogue spontaneously come coming out of your head. Because
Speaker 1: at one point here since said, hey kid, I've held
Speaker 1: up my part of the bargain. And then I get
Speaker 1: the chance you and the droids I'm dumping in moving on,
Speaker 1: and my line in the screenplay was, but we can't
Speaker 1: turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if
Speaker 1: the actual security there is any greater than it was
Speaker 1: on Aquaire's Solace, and what there is is most likely
Speaker 1: directed forwards a large scale assault. Huh, I mean you
Speaker 1: could make sense of it. Fear is their greatest defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Death Star is intimidating. I doubt if the actual
Speaker 1: security there's integrated. That was on two made up planets
Speaker 1: acquire sauce, and what there is is most likely directed
Speaker 1: towards a large scale assault. Yeah, like an armada. But
Speaker 1: we could slip through because you're like the size of
Speaker 1: a penny. But again, how does any of that make sense?
Speaker 2: Hold on?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 2: Wasn't just read us something right now?
Speaker 1: No, I've remembered that line for nearly fifty years, because no,
Speaker 1: I couldn't get it out of my head. And when
Speaker 1: I read the screenplay, which by the way, was called
Speaker 1: the The Adventures of Luke's Starkiller. That's taken from the
Speaker 1: Journal of the Wills, Saga number one, the Star Wars
Speaker 1: and my name was Luke star Killer, well killer that
Speaker 1: I read on the call sheet. When I rescue the Princess,
Speaker 1: I had filmed it. She said, aren't you a little
Speaker 1: short for a stormtrooper? And go what? Oh the helmet?
Speaker 1: I take the helmet off. I'm Luke Starkiller. I'm here
Speaker 1: to rescue you. So we had filmed that and I
Speaker 1: got the call sheet and I saw that scene was
Speaker 1: on there again. I said, what's up with that? They said, oh, well,
Speaker 1: they've changed your name. I said to what? And they
Speaker 1: said to Skywalker. I said Skywalker, Oh, my.
Speaker 2: God, like fire.
Speaker 1: I mean, because we have just gotten used to that name.
Speaker 1: And I I thought I could use a little macho
Speaker 1: in my name, and given my character he's such a
Speaker 1: wimpy little farm boy, but I had just gotten used
Speaker 1: to star Killer. But they said they pulled all the
Speaker 1: women at the ages eighteen to thirty five don't like
Speaker 1: characters with kill in their name. They had a little
Speaker 1: contest on set because at one point George was told
Speaker 1: that the focus group don't like the word wars.
Speaker 5: So Mark, here you are. You're doing this movie. You
Speaker 5: probably have no idea where this thing's going.
Speaker 4: But actually tell me, Nobs, deep down, you're like this
Speaker 4: thing's going to be a flop. I mean, did you
Speaker 4: feel that way or just it's a paycheck or what
Speaker 4: did you do?
Speaker 1: I asked Carrie and Harrison what they thought. They were
Speaker 1: sort of noncommittal and I and I remember telling Robert Watson,
Speaker 1: the production manager, the first person I met when I
Speaker 1: went to England and went to the studio. He says,
Speaker 1: what do you think of this little endeavor about to
Speaker 1: embark upon? And I said, I think we're on a winner,
Speaker 1: because here's why. At that point it was only seven
Speaker 1: and a half million. It later went up to just
Speaker 1: under nine. So I did the math and I said,
Speaker 1: we'll only have to make twenty five to get in,
Speaker 1: you know, get our money back. And I thought this
Speaker 1: thing is so funny and whimsical. I said, it's not
Speaker 1: science fiction. It's like a fairy tale. You've got a
Speaker 1: farm boy, you've got a pirate, you've got a princess,
Speaker 1: you got a wizard's it's it's a fairy tale dressed
Speaker 1: up as science fiction. And I said, and it's effortlessly feminist.
Speaker 1: I said, how about the princess. You know she doesn't
Speaker 1: she's not a damsel in distress, and she takes over
Speaker 1: her own rescue, grabs the gun from Luke and Hans.
Speaker 1: You call this a rescue, give me that gun. I
Speaker 1: said that kind of thing, because women overall are not
Speaker 1: the biggest audience for science fiction. But said, I just
Speaker 1: think it's so different, I said, And I was a kid.
Speaker 1: I was a famous Monsters of Film Land kid. I
Speaker 1: loved all the black and white universal horror films, and
Speaker 1: so this is right up my alley. I loved science
Speaker 1: fiction and fantasy, so I was predisposed to like it.
Speaker 1: And I know, I said, even if I wasn't cast
Speaker 1: in the movie, I'd still love this movie no matter
Speaker 1: who played Luke. But not everybody felt that way, Like
Speaker 1: I say, even to the point where they were about
Speaker 1: to release it, Fox didn't really believe in it, and
Speaker 1: we had no poster because one segment wanted to you know,
Speaker 1: entertainment voyage beyond your imagination, far beyond, and the other
Speaker 1: campaign was sort of like little rascals in outer space,
Speaker 1: but they couldn't merge them.
Speaker 5: So nine million dollars to make what's that gross?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: After all yours? I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I don't know eleven d building and I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, you definitely from Oakland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really know. I mean, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of money, but uh, uh, you know, for a while,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I remember an ad where they had
Speaker 1: R two D two with a fishing rod pulling Jaws
Speaker 1: out of the water. Spielberg said, congratulations, George, who has
Speaker 1: replaced Jaws as number one film of all time. But
Speaker 1: it's been surpassed many many times since. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many, But.
Speaker 4: Mark, did you know how many there would be? I mean,
Speaker 4: was it was? This? Was there a contract option when
Speaker 4: you did the first one subsequence exactly?
Speaker 1: So when we signed, if it were successful, we were
Speaker 1: required to do a second and a third. And uh
Speaker 1: that was one of the reasons I wanted to be
Speaker 1: successful because, uh, you know it was it was so
Speaker 1: much fun. I have to tell you. We just laughed
Speaker 1: all day long. I mean it was especially My fondest
Speaker 1: memories are on the Death Star with Harrison and Carrie,
Speaker 1: because by the time of the second one we all separated.
Speaker 1: I went off to a swamp planet with Yoda, and
Speaker 1: I loved working with Frank Oz. He's still one of
Speaker 1: my closest friends. But i'd see, you know, all the
Speaker 1: other actors walking in the other direction, Hi, guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: but it was very isolated on the second one, it
Speaker 1: was the call sheet. I'd be the only human being
Speaker 1: on the planet on the call sheet, me robots, a puppet,
Speaker 1: various snakes and lizards.
Speaker 5: So, Mark, you're now the Heyday, You're in the seventies,
Speaker 5: You're you're in your mid twenties, you got the biggest
Speaker 5: hit in the planet and your single la. I mean,
Speaker 5: how was that life back then? I mean not had
Speaker 5: to be pretty. I mean, I know, you're wife's into
Speaker 5: the room, give not out of be a fun time, right, Well,
Speaker 5: it was a.
Speaker 4: Different time, you know.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I did fine before that happened. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: go to when I was doing the Texas Wheelers, a
Speaker 1: TV series for Mary Tyler Moore. I mean there would
Speaker 1: be all these beautiful actresses that were extras and I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was like seventy four. So when
Speaker 1: that happened, Yeah, it was crazy. It was sort of like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what must be like for Mick Jagger. I
Speaker 1: met my wife. She was my dental hygienis, and I
Speaker 1: cleaned her, she cleaned my teeth, and you know we're
Speaker 1: still married. What is it now, forty five years? Honey? Yeah,
Speaker 1: congratulations most men, Yeah, fingers crossed. It's gonna work Gezo.
Speaker 2: When you started, did you not that it will be
Speaker 2: as successful as it is now?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Of course not. I mean I thought, like I said.
Speaker 1: I remember specifically saying I was talking about the original,
Speaker 1: not the remake. I said, this thing's going to outgross
Speaker 1: Planet of the Apes, which at that time I had
Speaker 1: made like forty million dollars. And I believe that. I said,
Speaker 1: not only will it one of the reasons I thought
Speaker 1: I would be successful even without a poster and no commercials,
Speaker 1: I said, people like me. There are so many people
Speaker 1: like me that will go see this just because of
Speaker 1: the genre, and then word of mouth will kick in.
Speaker 1: Oh but it's funny, and it's this and that, and
Speaker 1: it's scary, it's all these things. So I was fairly
Speaker 1: confident that it would be successful enough at least to
Speaker 1: make the second one. Did I think it would go supernova?
Speaker 1: Of course not.
Speaker 4: You know, going back just to sort of the origin story,
Speaker 4: because I'm curious you talked to I mean, sounds like
Speaker 4: you had the acting bug very early on. I mean,
Speaker 4: you knew what you wanted to do, and and you
Speaker 4: know you're a pretty young man. But was it what
Speaker 4: did you Was it you're inspired to get into acting
Speaker 4: as you're traveling around the globe. Is you're you know
Speaker 4: you're you're there at different naval bases. Was there someone
Speaker 4: you admired, someone you looked up to, and you said
Speaker 4: I want to be that when I grow up. At
Speaker 4: what age did you really say this is my career path.
Speaker 1: I hosted a variety show with my Jerry Mahoney dummy
Speaker 1: in sixth grade, and I realized what all ventrilo chist
Speaker 1: must realize is that you can say really obnoxious things
Speaker 1: and blame it on the dummy. So I was able
Speaker 1: to insult the cafeteria food. And I don't say that
Speaker 1: about mister Gagnan. He's a nice man. Yeah, sneak gag, Oh,
Speaker 1: don't be so terrible. And when the way the laughter,
Speaker 1: I was just it gosh, I thought this, this is
Speaker 1: what I want to do. And I didn't think, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be an actor because all the time,
Speaker 1: I mean, I loved I learned to read by getting
Speaker 1: the paper off the doorstep and reading the comic strips,
Speaker 1: you know, simple comic strips like Nancy and Hey you stop.
Speaker 1: So I loved cartoons and comic strips and stop frame animation.
Speaker 1: I mean I saw King Kong on TV when I
Speaker 1: wasn't know five or six, and it was the first
Speaker 1: movie that made me cry. And I didn't know how
Speaker 1: they did the dinosaurs, I mean until Famous Monsters came
Speaker 1: along and explained Willis O'Brien stop frame animation and Marcel
Speaker 1: Delgado and the model makers and all that, and they
Speaker 1: showed illustrations of the tabletops with the miniatures. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just blew my mind, and I thought that I
Speaker 1: want to somebody goes to work every day and makes
Speaker 1: dinosaurs come to life. I want that job. I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't really think of much as and I remember
Speaker 1: seeing Clarence Nash, this distinguished man in a suit and
Speaker 1: tie on the Walt Disney Sunday Night Show and he
Speaker 1: steps up to the microphone and does Donald Duck again.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'd started school. Then it
Speaker 1: just blew my mind because in those days you just
Speaker 1: think of cartoons as you know, they just arrived full blown.
Speaker 1: But I thought, somebody goes to work every day because
Speaker 1: this is the wife goodbye, and pat's the kids on
Speaker 1: the head and goes and he's he does Donald Duck
Speaker 1: and they paid him for that, and I did a
Speaker 1: terrible Donald Duck. But I was always putting on shows,
Speaker 1: puppet shows and imitating people. I could make my brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters laugh by imitating relatives and so forth, and
Speaker 1: so I always had that performance gene in me. But
Speaker 1: I also was pragmatic. I thought, well, don't know how
Speaker 1: to go about doing it, but I don't have to
Speaker 1: be in the show. I just want to be near
Speaker 1: the show. Because again, Disney would put on these shows
Speaker 1: where they say it's the making of Darby O'Gill and
Speaker 1: the Little People, and he would show the camera crew
Speaker 1: and wardrobe and the the carpenters and all these things.
Speaker 1: And I would think in my mind, I said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not a bad cook. If I can't be in
Speaker 1: I could be a caterer for sure. So I just
Speaker 1: knew that I want to be, you know, in in
Speaker 1: a business that uh that you know, the escape is
Speaker 1: some business.
Speaker 5: And what's to take me through? So you're you're in
Speaker 5: the You're doing these movies and and and again, I
Speaker 5: mean you're the biggest start on the planet.
Speaker 4: Luke Skywalker, et cetera. Take me through.
Speaker 5: After that was there was there was there some years
Speaker 5: where it's like you're a pigeonholed as this guy did
Speaker 5: the did the call.
Speaker 4: Stop coming at times?
Speaker 5: And a meetings d I mean, tell me take me
Speaker 5: through some of the rejection part of it.
Speaker 4: And it struggles you face.
Speaker 1: That the the the business I'm in. When you do
Speaker 1: something well, they want you to do the same thing
Speaker 1: over and over again because it's been proven to be profitable.
Speaker 1: And Mary lud just said Amadeus. When I couldn't get
Speaker 1: character parts, I went to New York where they will
Speaker 1: add open auditions. You can just audition for things. So
Speaker 1: I auditioned for Amadeus and Sir Peter Hall said, we
Speaker 1: actually we've offered it. Who was it, Colin Firth whoever?
Speaker 1: He was a British actor that they wanted, but they
Speaker 1: couldn't be sure that he could get his green card,
Speaker 1: so they put me up an hotel. This is why
Speaker 1: I know they were serious. If he couldn't get his
Speaker 1: green card, then I would replace Tim Curry. So on
Speaker 1: my fingers crossed, I felt like, you know, John Cassavetti's
Speaker 1: and Rosemary's baby rooting for ill will to befall some actor.
Speaker 1: So that didn't feel good, but turned out. I didn't
Speaker 1: get that, but Peter said, well, I want I want
Speaker 1: you to do the first national tour. So I did that.
Speaker 1: I did Los Angeles, San Francisco, Baltimore, Chicago. I was
Speaker 1: scheduled to go to Boston and they pulled me out
Speaker 1: of the company and put me in the Broadway production. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so I got some of the best reviews of my career.
Speaker 1: But when I Milis Foreman said will you come in
Speaker 1: because I'm doing the movie of Amadaeis and I want
Speaker 1: you to read off camera for Costanza the actresses that
Speaker 1: were up to play Costanza. Of course, so I get in.
Speaker 1: I'm doing that between auditions for these all these young actresses.
Speaker 1: I said to him, I said, you know, I've played
Speaker 1: Mozart and I wonder if you be willing to consider me.
Speaker 1: He laughed me. He said, oh, no, one is to
Speaker 1: be believing that the Luke Skywalker is the most so
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, I get that, and at least
Speaker 1: he was honest with me, so it removed any sort
Speaker 1: And I thought Tom Holse did a great job of
Speaker 1: the movie. But that's just what this business is. It's
Speaker 1: you know, and I tell young actors you have to have.
Speaker 1: I don't know, just the nerves of steel because you're
Speaker 1: gonna face constant rejection. And it's not because you're not talented.
Speaker 1: You might be too tall, too short, too fat, the
Speaker 1: wrong color eyes, whatever it is. There's thousands of people
Speaker 1: that you're going to be competing with and the odds
Speaker 1: are it's like playing Roulette. You have to spin the
Speaker 1: wheel five thousand times.
Speaker 5: By the way, it's funny Mark because you know Marshaan
Speaker 5: obviously is transitioned and doing acting. Now, are you getting
Speaker 5: that mare Sean from as Do they look at you
Speaker 5: and say, well, dude, you're beismo, you're the running back
Speaker 5: and you can't do this or do you get a
Speaker 5: lot of that on some of these directors Marshall, Uh No,
Speaker 5: not so much.
Speaker 3: But it's just more so like because they're not familiar
Speaker 3: with me. So like the movie that I've just did,
Speaker 3: Love Hurts, They like a lot of them knew me
Speaker 3: from football, but a lot of the guys was like
Speaker 3: from Germany, so they didn't really understand, you know, the
Speaker 3: football aspect. But I'm like, you know, like I'm really athletic.
Speaker 3: I can do a lot of the stunts that you
Speaker 3: know that got going on, but they're like, ah, well
Speaker 3: you just don't know. And then I you know, I
Speaker 3: have to prove to them to show them like no,
Speaker 3: I can actually really move, like I can move move
Speaker 3: like really moving, you know. I mean, they'll give me
Speaker 3: an opportunity like, oh ship, I had no idea. And
Speaker 3: then they were going actually watch me uh uh you
Speaker 3: know play like oh I had no idea type ship.
Speaker 3: But when you when you when you say that, I
Speaker 3: got to work with uh with with Mike Loven Chris
Speaker 3: and he did uh he played Mike Lovin and uh
Speaker 3: super Bad and we were doing the show uh stars
Speaker 3: on Mars and everybody you know, we would seeing and
Speaker 3: we're like, oh shit, is mc loving And he's like, no,
Speaker 3: don't call me mc loven.
Speaker 2: My name is is Chris, Like.
Speaker 4: Call me Chris.
Speaker 3: And it got to a point where, you know, some
Speaker 3: of the producers had did some ship and they had
Speaker 3: called him like mc lovin and he lost his ship.
Speaker 3: Like I told you, my fucking name is Chris, Call
Speaker 3: me fucking Chris. So when you were speaking on that,
Speaker 3: I'm like that was the first thing that went to
Speaker 3: my mind, like, you know, getting a pigeonholed.
Speaker 4: In a row and Mark, you ever break down like that?
Speaker 4: You said, fucking talk to you. My name's not Luke,
Speaker 4: you asked me.
Speaker 1: While I listened to him talking, I'm you know a
Speaker 1: lot of times they won't let you do stunts because
Speaker 1: it's an insurance risk. Because in my career, I said,
Speaker 1: I want to do all my own stunts. The only
Speaker 1: one I wasn't allowed to do was when he gets
Speaker 1: blown out the portal uh and I think the second one,
Speaker 1: and the stunt guy said, can you do a flip
Speaker 1: off a diving board? I said, oh, yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: doing that all my life. Well, then you can do this.
Speaker 1: So I was really thrilled because they had a springboard.
Speaker 1: Colin Skeeping was my stunt double. He never he wasn't
Speaker 1: even on the first one. I didn't have a stunt
Speaker 1: double on the first one, but I did on Empire.
Speaker 1: But then insurance stepped in and says, no way you're
Speaker 1: doing that, because do a flip out candy glass which
Speaker 1: can't damage you. Onto to all these mattresses that are
Speaker 1: on those big, you know, packing boxes like beacons. What's
Speaker 1: out with stunt guys all around to make sure you
Speaker 1: don't bounce off or whatever. So I wasn't worried about it,
Speaker 1: but they said, you can't do it. Now flash forward
Speaker 1: to my elderly years. I look at the script and
Speaker 1: I said, anything you can get away with with a
Speaker 1: stunt double, I'm down with that.
Speaker 3: So there was fighting and uh, there's a lot of fightings,
Speaker 3: but one in particulars it was actually like, you know,
Speaker 3: what's moves that you can do that we can incorporate
Speaker 3: in the facing that you know would show it now
Speaker 3: to you know you actually you know, being an athlete.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I mean, you know, there's
Speaker 3: a few things like I played running back, so you
Speaker 3: know I can move a latter latter room, you know,
Speaker 3: pretty quick. So I showed them a couple moves like
Speaker 3: I actually just you know, ran a you know, like
Speaker 3: a simple drill in the in the gods they like
Speaker 3: blew they ship like, oh my god, like that ship
Speaker 3: is amazing. And I was like, well, you know, if
Speaker 3: I could hit somebody, and they're like, well, we'll show
Speaker 3: us what you mean. So they got a guy and uh,
Speaker 3: and I tackled him and they're like, oh, my fucking god,
Speaker 3: let's go. How would you how would you feel if
Speaker 3: we actually had you tackle this guy through a wall.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, hell fucking year, Like, yeah, so they
Speaker 3: put up this. They put up this whole fucking wall,
Speaker 3: and was like, okay. The stunt coordinator, the second director,
Speaker 3: was like, hey, man, you know, you know if you're
Speaker 3: not up to it, you know your stunt guy who Marcus,
Speaker 3: who was who was really good? And I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm good. I'm ready for it. He's like,
Speaker 3: because I don't know, man, we got that, we got
Speaker 3: one wall. I'm like, all right, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: He's like, but you got to land here and where
Speaker 3: it sat is probably like five feet from uh from
Speaker 3: the wall. And I'm like, you know what, I'll be
Speaker 3: able to get it done. So when we do it,
Speaker 3: And I mean, I fucked that wall up. I tried
Speaker 3: to tear the whole fucking house down, to be honest
Speaker 3: with you, And all I remember was running through that
Speaker 3: fucking wall and I hit the dude so fucking hard,
Speaker 3: and when I landed on it, I just heard all
Speaker 3: the air going oh. And for a second I fucking
Speaker 3: forgot we was even filming. Hey, hey, you all right,
Speaker 3: I shouldn't stay in it. Stay in it, oh ship
Speaker 3: yeah and right. It was probably some of the most
Speaker 3: funny shit I ever did period. But when I fucking
Speaker 3: smashed that dude through that wall, like the insurance that
Speaker 3: you were just talking about, now they everybody coming in,
Speaker 3: all the doctors on set, the pro everybody, Hey, you
Speaker 3: all right, you all right, making sure everything's all right,
Speaker 3: and you go back and you look at that.
Speaker 2: Wall, like, what the fuck just happened. Now.
Speaker 3: I'm not big on playback so or watching playback, so
Speaker 3: I just kind of was. I was in a zone.
Speaker 3: Pick up the phone.
Speaker 2: I called Doug, Like, Doug, I just ran somebody through
Speaker 2: a fucking wall. Bro.
Speaker 3: See if anybody want to, uh, if anybody want a
Speaker 3: thirty eight year old running back, I think I got
Speaker 3: some more left in the tank. So I hear the
Speaker 3: people they watching it, and all you hear is them
Speaker 3: motherfucker's just laughing, laughing, like, oh my god, that shit
Speaker 3: was great. But that was a big moment. But now
Speaker 3: you talk about the insurance. Had I done anything wrong
Speaker 3: or fuck some shit up, then I'm probably out for
Speaker 3: a while.
Speaker 5: And by the way, mark as an agent as I am,
Speaker 5: I did I did make a few calls to teams.
Speaker 5: I said Marshawn send me that footage, and I called
Speaker 5: a couple of teams.
Speaker 4: I said, you need a guy for a few games.
Speaker 1: Doug, you're his agent?
Speaker 5: Yes, I was his football agent, correct, not his entertainment agent,
Speaker 5: but football agent.
Speaker 1: But he has a theatrical agent now, correct, because remember, Marshawn,
Speaker 1: you're not just an after, You're an investment.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They have to protect their investments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I got I got that understanding after I, uh,
Speaker 3: after I ran through that wall.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, that ship was That ship was great.
Speaker 3: And what's crazy is a lot of the guys that I, uh,
Speaker 3: that I worked with, they actually did stunts for uh,
Speaker 3: some Star Wars movies. They actually were showing me like
Speaker 3: some of the what they call them some of the
Speaker 3: gags where they put the harnesses on everybody and people
Speaker 3: pulling and swinging and all that shit. And they showed
Speaker 3: me this this clip where it was on a set
Speaker 3: for Star Wars and uh, the guys they like through
Speaker 3: some kind of bomb or something and everybody was exploding
Speaker 3: and flying in every which way and shit, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: god that like I'm going to I'm want to trye
Speaker 3: some of that shit. I was like, nah, you probably
Speaker 3: would never be able to do no shit like that
Speaker 3: one because you big than a motherfucker, Like, I don't
Speaker 3: know how many people.
Speaker 2: We would have to pull you.
Speaker 3: But when you start talking about the insurance and then
Speaker 3: being a liability, uh, it kind of made sense. But
Speaker 3: in my mind, I'm like, oh, I run through people
Speaker 3: and run into people like that's how I made a living.
Speaker 4: Hey, Mark, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 5: I see the brotherhood of the athletics and sports, and
Speaker 5: I'll I'll go back and use more Shaw's example. You know,
Speaker 5: when they won the Super Bowl and he's the players
Speaker 5: he played with and the love, the half of each
Speaker 5: other and the kind of the respect and when they
Speaker 5: see each other after years and whether it be a
Speaker 5: you know, social setting or reunion or whatever. So when
Speaker 5: you go back and see Harrison Ford now or George Lucas,
Speaker 5: do you guys like have that special bond like, dude,
Speaker 5: we did something like crazy out of this world good,
Speaker 5: you know forty years ago, fifty years ago. Do you
Speaker 5: kind of have that bond where you see each other
Speaker 5: as kind of like that love as an athlete might
Speaker 5: have with the teammate.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and not just with those movies.
Speaker 4: It being.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a community and we all support each other.
Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's television, movies. I remember I was
Speaker 1: telling you I went to New York to try and
Speaker 1: get character parts. And one thing that really changed my
Speaker 1: career is I read in I don't know, the Comic
Speaker 1: Buyer's Guide that they were going to do an animated Batman.
Speaker 1: And I saw the and producers they were putting forward.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, my gosh, this is clearly going to
Speaker 1: be a step above the Saturnnay Morning, you know super
Speaker 1: Friends version. This looks like it's going to be intelligently
Speaker 1: written for once. They were getting people instead of, you know,
Speaker 1: hiring people that have never done the character, and they
Speaker 1: read the best of Batman over the weekend and start
Speaker 1: writing a script on Monday. And they were getting people
Speaker 1: that had long, decades long experience with not just that character,
Speaker 1: but all the you know, comic book characters. So I said,
Speaker 1: I'd love to audition for the Joker. And no, I said,
Speaker 1: I'd love to audition, but I wanted to play a
Speaker 1: villain that never been done before, clay Face, two face, whatever.
Speaker 1: But they said, you have an audition for the Joker.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, it's a little too high profile. Jack
Speaker 1: Nicholson was so great. She's a romero anyway. The only
Speaker 1: reason I think I had confidence was about two months
Speaker 1: earlier they cast Michael Keaton as Batman, and all the
Speaker 1: Dan boys lost their minds. Oh my god, he's mister Mom.
Speaker 1: He can't be Batman, blah blah blah without seeing him
Speaker 1: play the part. Ever, so what I'm saying in that atmosphere,
Speaker 1: I said, if you think they lost their minds over
Speaker 1: mister Mom playing Batman, how are they gonna feel about
Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker playing the Joker. There's no way they can
Speaker 1: cast me. So normally you go in and if you
Speaker 1: want the part a lot, Sometimes your anxiety can get
Speaker 1: the better of you. They can sense a neediness that
Speaker 1: makes them uncomfortable. You're off your game because you're nerves
Speaker 1: or whatever. Here, I thought, well, since there's no way
Speaker 1: I can get it, I'm going to make them lose.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make them sorry they can't hire me, and
Speaker 1: I just let it rip and had the greatest time
Speaker 1: in my life. And what happened was it really turned
Speaker 1: my career in the sense that opened up doors in
Speaker 1: the voiceover world, and the voiceover world is one of
Speaker 1: the most talented subsets of show business. And everywhere you go,
Speaker 1: if you do your job and you're on time, you're
Speaker 1: not a prima donna. You get accepted by the Broadway community,
Speaker 1: the off Broadway community, and so forth. So you know,
Speaker 1: once I started doing various parts other than the joker,
Speaker 1: I was very quickly accepted by people that I admire
Speaker 1: so much. And I don't know, I've lost count of
Speaker 1: how many cartoons have done over one thousand since ninety two,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they cast with their ears, not their eyes,
Speaker 1: so you're going to be able to play characters that
Speaker 1: you would never get on camera. And you know, I
Speaker 1: never got to do dialects until I did voiceover. Then
Speaker 1: I could do Australia, and I could do Cockney, I
Speaker 1: could do whatever, because they unless you're Meryl Street, they
Speaker 1: if they wanted at you, they'll hire an Australian.
Speaker 5: So Mark, how does that work? Get a voiceover? They
Speaker 5: give you the script and then and then they give
Speaker 5: you like, hey, you have a month to do this,
Speaker 5: and you do it every day. I mean, how does
Speaker 5: that go about?
Speaker 4: With the voiceover stuff?
Speaker 1: Well, you usually get the script the night before or
Speaker 1: two days before you go in and they record the
Speaker 1: voice first then send it overseas. Unfortunely, I wish they
Speaker 1: wouldn't outsource, but it's animated somewhere else, and so the
Speaker 1: finished product doesn't show up to at least nine months
Speaker 1: to maybe eighteen months later, which is why I've missed
Speaker 1: so many of the things I've done, because they don't
Speaker 1: send you an email say hey, your episode of Powerpuff
Speaker 1: Girls is on this Tuesday, and if you don't really
Speaker 1: keep it. When the kids were small, I see a
Speaker 1: lot of seriously go wait, you guys, I think that's
Speaker 1: me playing the gangster squirrel.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's me.
Speaker 4: That's me.
Speaker 1: But I got it by accident.
Speaker 4: By the way, Mark, it's interesting you you were. You
Speaker 4: talked about being type We talked about being type cast.
Speaker 4: You talked about how you can lose yourself in an
Speaker 4: animation frame and become something so much bigger than what
Speaker 4: you physically are are perceived as. But what you by
Speaker 4: definition attracted to the villain character even before Joker in
Speaker 4: order to express your desire to be more than what
Speaker 4: you were type cast for. When he was at the
Speaker 4: impetus for trying to find that contrary and frame, it must.
Speaker 1: Have been because I'm so pure in one note, but
Speaker 1: I thought the best part was Darth Vader. Now he's
Speaker 1: only in the movie maybe twelve minutes, but in terms
Speaker 1: of impact and gravitas, you know, that's hard to top.
Speaker 1: But you know, I have to to tell you that
Speaker 1: recently on its on Netflix now Mike Flanagan, who I
Speaker 1: was a huge fan of from the Haunting of Hill House,
Speaker 1: the Haunting of Blind Man, or Midnight Mass and so
Speaker 1: for I was a huge fan. He requested a meeting
Speaker 1: with me, came over the house with Trevor Macy, the producer,
Speaker 1: and pitched me the Fall of the House of Usher,
Speaker 1: and I was going to he was wanted to hire.
Speaker 1: It's this criminal family. It's you know, he puts reality
Speaker 1: into his fantasy so you can relate to it. The
Speaker 1: Usher family is making billions of dollars on ligadone, which
Speaker 1: is killing hundreds of thousands of people. Oh it's the
Speaker 1: Sackler family. Yeah, I get that. So he grounds it
Speaker 1: in reality you can relate to. And I was asked
Speaker 1: to play this amoral, soulless sociopath lawyer who covers up
Speaker 1: for he's the long lifelong attorney for the Usher family.
Speaker 1: Just pure evil. And when I read script, I thought,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't have no idea how I
Speaker 1: will approach this. But if Mike thinks I can do it,
Speaker 1: I've got to do it. So I agreed. And it
Speaker 1: was scary because you know, normally you have some concept
Speaker 1: of how you should play this character, what the script
Speaker 1: requires from you to make it all work. And it's
Speaker 1: a big ensemble cast. I'm a supporting player and like this.
Speaker 1: And that's typical of Mike's projects. You know, he has
Speaker 1: all these wonderful actors who I had already admired. I thought,
Speaker 1: I just want to meet these people, because you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of them I never seen before. Henry Thomas
Speaker 1: i'd seen, but twelve of them i'd never seen before. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it came very late in the game, but once I
Speaker 1: got to pick the wardrobe and figured out, well, this
Speaker 1: is the guy that gets out of the bed in
Speaker 1: the morning. When he gets out of the show, he's
Speaker 1: gonna just wipe his head once and not do any product.
Speaker 1: So I said, kind it short enough so it's not
Speaker 1: sticking up, just short enough so it lays down. Then
Speaker 1: they found I found these glasses, and I found the
Speaker 1: hat and I looked in the mirror and it wasn't
Speaker 1: me anymore. It was Arthur Gordon Pim, who the other
Speaker 1: characters referred to as the Pim Reaper. So the last
Speaker 1: element they came. We went to do the first scene
Speaker 1: on my first day of work with Madeline and Roderick,
Speaker 1: the brother and sister that are the head ushers. And
Speaker 1: I didn't plan this, but when I started talking, I
Speaker 1: started talking like this. Well, we tried to contact him,
Speaker 1: but he won't return our calls because I want to
Speaker 1: impart this deadness in him. And later in the morning,
Speaker 1: when Mike walked passed, he said, love the voice, and
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm home, because once you have the blessing
Speaker 1: of your director. And Mike fin mcnari did the other
Speaker 1: He did four and I did for But I mean,
Speaker 1: I just it was the first time I ever got
Speaker 1: to do I did a typical roles all the time
Speaker 1: in voiceover. I mean, you play all these different gangsters
Speaker 1: and well, like I said, a gangster squirrel. But this
Speaker 1: was the first time I was ever get to do
Speaker 1: it on camera. And I'm really grateful for him. I
Speaker 1: formed a real bond with him, and I've got a
Speaker 1: movie coming out that he directed based on a Stephen
Speaker 1: King novel called The Life of Chuck, which comes out
Speaker 1: when in May. And I'm thinking, wait a second, these
Speaker 1: two titans of horror, Stephen King and Mike Flanagan, I'm
Speaker 1: expecting the script to be, you know, the horror epic
Speaker 1: of all time. It is the sweetest, most pointed. It
Speaker 1: is not horror at all. It's the story of a
Speaker 1: boy named Chuck, you seem at four different stages until
Speaker 1: he grows up to be Tom Middleston. And I'm telling
Speaker 1: you they showed it the Toronto Film Festival. I'd seen
Speaker 1: a screening at Mike's house, but I saw it with
Speaker 1: an audience and I can't tell you what elation I felt,
Speaker 1: because they loved it. They laughed the everything it's it's
Speaker 1: it's so uh, I said, I don't know how you're
Speaker 1: going to quote this because it's completely indescribable. You just
Speaker 1: have to see it to believe it.
Speaker 5: But Mark, the greatest thing about you, which I love
Speaker 5: and I appreciate, is that you're the epitome of you
Speaker 5: live to work instead of work to live. We just
Speaker 5: talked about our good friend Bill Belichick, who's coaching again.
Speaker 5: You You don't want to retire to fishing village in
Speaker 5: Portugal or go to Anguela and sit in the beach.
Speaker 5: You want to You're working more now than it's insane
Speaker 5: what you're doing, which is incredible. So you love what
Speaker 5: you're doing, and this is what you want to continue
Speaker 5: to do it correct. There's no there's no shutting it
Speaker 5: down for you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have I have a movie out now,
Speaker 1: the Wild Robot. I'm the voice of Thorn the Bear, and.
Speaker 4: Which is again all kinds of awards. Congratulations next level.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean last year I was a Voice and
Speaker 1: the Boy and the Hair and which won the Oscar.
Speaker 1: This time they're talking about an Oscar nomination for Wild Robot.
Speaker 1: And next year I have three things coming out of
Speaker 1: the Life of Chuck, which I told you about, the
Speaker 1: Long Walk, which is based on a Stephen King novel,
Speaker 1: and those teams. This one really is horrific. In fact,
Speaker 1: when I read it, I was just so turned off.
Speaker 1: I said, ugh, you know once you have to what
Speaker 1: we have to do is you have to don't think
Speaker 1: like Mark, think like the character, because villains don't think
Speaker 1: they are villains. They think they're doing what's right, even
Speaker 1: though an objective observer would say, this guy's horrible. So
Speaker 1: once I got into that, and plus, it's about all
Speaker 1: these young men. It's all these twenty one year old guys,
Speaker 1: and I'm not really the villain, but the state is
Speaker 1: the villain, and I represent the state. So in that case,
Speaker 1: I am the villain. And my son read it and said, Dad,
Speaker 1: you got to do this, So I thought he because
Speaker 1: I said, I'll watch this someday. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be in it, but I'm glad I did. I'm glad
Speaker 1: I got over myself. And the last one, what's the
Speaker 1: last one? Oh, I'm in the I'm in the new
Speaker 1: SpongeBob SquarePants movie, which comes out in December with Tom
Speaker 1: will have one of my I've been friends with this
Speaker 1: guy for thirty years, one of the nicest men in
Speaker 1: show business. And I'm telling you he is so pure
Speaker 1: and so genuine you realize he is SpongeBob in real
Speaker 1: life because he's relentlessly optimistic, and whenever you are around
Speaker 1: him or his wife, Jill Tally, they just lift your spirits.
Speaker 4: Speaking of life, real life and not necessarily lifting the spirits.
Speaker 4: It would be remiss if I didn't ask you you know,
Speaker 4: a big part of your life and all these iterations
Speaker 4: and just the longevity that Doug talks about, and your
Speaker 4: resilience as an actor, and your remarkable career that seems
Speaker 4: to be gaining speed steam not losing steam. But one
Speaker 4: thing you're known for is your activism and your willingness
Speaker 4: to assert a point of view in a very public
Speaker 4: way and accept all the slings and arrows that may
Speaker 4: come your way, the adihilation and the condemnation both And
Speaker 4: I imagine particularly from a political sphere, when did you
Speaker 4: start to find that voice or when did you start
Speaker 4: to express that inner voice as someone that wanted to
Speaker 4: be known for something more than just the work you
Speaker 4: did on screen.
Speaker 1: Well, I've always been interested in politics, as far back
Speaker 1: as when I I would have been eight, when Nixon
Speaker 1: and Kennedy ran and I said to my mom, you know,
Speaker 1: because you see jfk And he just radiated charmed. He
Speaker 1: was funny, he was inspirational, and you know, Nixon reminded
Speaker 1: me of the scary teacher in school that you didn't
Speaker 1: want to be around. Let me just you know. And
Speaker 1: I said to my mom, why is Dan voting for Nixon?
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. Yeah, I had no political
Speaker 1: point of view. I didn't know what any issues were.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying just from the standpoint of the way,
Speaker 1: a dog will sniff you and either walk away or
Speaker 1: want cuddles. Dogs know. And she said, well, don't tell him,
Speaker 1: but I'm voting for JFK. Those were in the days
Speaker 1: where the white hat slavishly follow the husband. But no.
Speaker 1: I also, I've always been engaged. The first election that
Speaker 1: I was able to vote was in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 1: I read an interview with play on Playboy magazine with
Speaker 1: George McGovern. I said, oh my god, not only do
Speaker 1: I despise Nixon, but this guy is I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly in love with every position he has. So I
Speaker 1: went to after school and LACC. I'd go to McGovern headquarters,
Speaker 1: stuff on below, go door to door, make phone calls,
Speaker 1: all the things that we do. And of course that's
Speaker 1: my first election. It was crushed one of them, yes exactly,
Speaker 1: and so you could have even given up or said,
Speaker 1: you know, double down and stick stick with it, and
Speaker 1: that's what I did. So I never I've never missed
Speaker 1: an election. I'm even local races, you know, whether it's
Speaker 1: a mayor or committ you know, councilman whatever. I always vote,
Speaker 1: but I was never asked to be so I supported
Speaker 1: every Democrat, you know, Mondale, you'd name it Clinton, Barack Obama.
Speaker 1: But they never asked me to be a part of
Speaker 1: the campaign. I just told my talked to my friends
Speaker 1: and made sure they were all voting and government Do
Speaker 1: Caucus asked me to join the campaign in the last
Speaker 1: six weeks when it was things were really dire, and
Speaker 1: of course I did that. I went with him and
Speaker 1: we went all over the Northeast. And I remember, because
Speaker 1: you get your assignments, they say, okay, you get on
Speaker 1: that bus, you get in this car. At one point
Speaker 1: they said you get in the governor's limousine. And I
Speaker 1: was there with Michael Lucucus and he said, so, Mark,
Speaker 1: I understand you have a daughter named Chelsea and I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's my youngest. He said, you know Bill Clinton has
Speaker 1: a daughter named Chelsea. I said, oh, are you considering
Speaker 1: him to be maybe on the ticket with He goes, well,
Speaker 1: he's got a bit of a woman problem.
Speaker 4: How's that for foreshadowing us? And a good do Caucus.
Speaker 4: By the way, Mark, well done. I don't want to
Speaker 4: hear you do me after this, I'm not a little worried.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, the thing is, I never like you to
Speaker 1: your question. I never became active until wanting to make
Speaker 1: sure that first of all, I was devastating. I want
Speaker 1: to get rid of the electoral college because Hillery Beatium
Speaker 1: by three million votes just to Shy under three million,
Speaker 1: and Gore be w by half a million. And it
Speaker 1: was making me crazy because I started reading about the
Speaker 1: electoral college. Oh my god, this is the remnants of
Speaker 1: slave days when they were trying to you know, proportion
Speaker 1: the amount of votes with you know, how many slaves
Speaker 1: you owned, and oh it's awful. But anyway, so that
Speaker 1: in Citizens United I'd like to get rid of. But
Speaker 1: in any case, I started, as you said, you get
Speaker 1: most scorching hate tweets from the MAGA crowd, and when
Speaker 1: I was still on Twitter, I had to stop reading
Speaker 1: the responses. I wouldn't block anyone because then they could
Speaker 1: display Mark Hamill blocked you as a badge of honor.
Speaker 1: But I muted like a mofo. I would mute, you know.
Speaker 1: I looked up one day and like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I've been muting people for forty minutes. So once I
Speaker 1: realized how it was eating into my own time, I said,
Speaker 1: the only thing to do is don't read the response.
Speaker 1: You just can't.
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 1: And someone said to me, my daughter would say, Daddy,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't tweet politically so much, because you know, people
Speaker 1: get so angry. And so I wrote a tweet that
Speaker 1: I said, the people complaining about my Trump tweets have
Speaker 1: to understand I love my country and I feel it's
Speaker 1: my patriotic duty to oppose this sociopathic well, I forget
Speaker 1: the other word, whatever it was, with every fiber of
Speaker 1: my being. And that's the way I've been, I thought,
Speaker 1: I mean, I do feel it's an obligation. And who
Speaker 1: cares about your career? People say, oh, well, it's hurting
Speaker 1: your career because you have to appeal to the whole country,
Speaker 1: not just half the country or forty five percent or
Speaker 1: whatever the MAGA crowd is. But I said, in a
Speaker 1: grander scheme of things, who cares if I lose a
Speaker 1: part in the movie Because I hate the orange atrocity
Speaker 1: I do, and I want people to notice. So that's
Speaker 1: what I've done.
Speaker 4: So here's the deal.
Speaker 5: Mark, If our guy here runs in four years. We
Speaker 5: know the way in the sprinter van with me and
Speaker 5: more Shawn and Gavin.
Speaker 4: How about that, Mark, No, it's gonna be a Corvette
Speaker 4: because my favorite movie is Corvette Summer. You guys forgot
Speaker 4: about Corvette Summer. Everyone forgot about.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 4: Hey, Marshaan, you got to check out Corvette Summer like
Speaker 4: it's sweet.
Speaker 1: When Annie and I filmed the movie, it wasn't called
Speaker 1: Corvette Summer. Is called Dantley and Vanessa, a Fiberglass Romance.
Speaker 1: And then god MGM changed the title of the Corvette Summer.
Speaker 1: We all went, oh, no, it sounds like, you know,
Speaker 1: drive in garbage. And it's a really sweet little moviere
Speaker 1: a kid he's in love with the car. Over the
Speaker 1: course of the movie winds up falling in love with
Speaker 1: this girl and he doesn't care about the car anymore.
Speaker 1: So I thought it had an interesting message.
Speaker 5: But Mark, you've been an Mark, You've been an Oakland guy.
Speaker 5: Marshan be an Oakland guy. I think Marshawn would be
Speaker 5: great in some voiceovers as well. I think we've got
Speaker 5: to connect you guys, know, man, I want to I
Speaker 5: want to try this shit so bad. Should you should?
Speaker 4: I'm been doing.
Speaker 2: A lot of what is it a d R Yes.
Speaker 1: Additional dialogue recording, get the three bet beep beep, come
Speaker 1: in and on the fourth Yeah, what I'm saying, Marshawn,
Speaker 1: if you go into voiceover, see, they're not gonna look
Speaker 1: at you and say he's type. They're gonna listen to
Speaker 1: your voice and if your voice is right, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get it regardless of how you look. So and not
Speaker 1: only that, but voiceover is the ultimate lazy actor's dream
Speaker 1: because you don't have to memorize lines.
Speaker 2: You read it.
Speaker 1: You can you can come in looking like hell because
Speaker 1: they don't see you. It's I said, where's this been
Speaker 1: on my life? When I did a chess Yes, and
Speaker 1: I'm in the early nineties, and I'm telling you it's
Speaker 1: you can make a lot more money in television movies,
Speaker 1: but it's volume, volume volume. If you're doing three four
Speaker 1: hundred cartoons a year, that adds up. So some of
Speaker 1: these people are the Jim Cummings, Tom Kenny there, Rob Paulson.
Speaker 1: These are the most famous people you've never heard.
Speaker 4: Of, but we've heard from. Is what you're saying, yeah,
Speaker 4: because we're hearing their voice over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: And it's the best of both worlds because I mean,
Speaker 1: you can be anonymous and go anywhere you want. I mean,
Speaker 1: if I go to like you know, last Star Wars
Speaker 1: thing I went to, there's dealers there, not fans dealers.
Speaker 1: Because memorabilia is such a big deal. They get you
Speaker 1: stick you're on a poster. The value.
Speaker 5: Can you imagine walking with Mark in a Star Wars convention?
Speaker 5: I mean, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: And they follow you all the way to your car.
Speaker 1: I've been followed home where they stop at the red
Speaker 1: lights and run your car during red lights. They followed
Speaker 1: me all the way to the base where I turned
Speaker 1: to go up the hill to where I live, and
Speaker 1: I got out of the car and said, look, you guys,
Speaker 1: please don't follow me all the way home. And it's
Speaker 1: like a nuisance. I mean, I remember when I was
Speaker 1: a kid and I said, a hard day snile. I went, oh,
Speaker 1: that's what I want. You know, the Beatle they were
Speaker 1: being chased down the street and girls were clamoring for them,
Speaker 1: and it just seemed I wanted it recently emptying. What
Speaker 1: a horror movie this is. They have no life. They
Speaker 1: go from a car to a studio through a car
Speaker 1: to a hotel room. It's just like it's horrible, and
Speaker 1: you know you don't want to be ungrateful. And I
Speaker 1: do love the fans, I can't stand the dealers. And
Speaker 1: like I said, just a commodity. I mean we signed
Speaker 1: stuff at Universal, We drive home to maunt of who
Speaker 1: you know, forty five through an hour later and my
Speaker 1: son goes, hey, Dad, that stuff you signed in the
Speaker 1: garage is already on eBay dot. Don't put it to anyone.
Speaker 1: It's a gift and I'm not sure who I want
Speaker 1: to give it to you. I might as well sign
Speaker 1: it best wishes eBay because you know that thank you,
Speaker 1: I say, instead of me signing your lightsaber, I'm about
Speaker 1: a saltie.
Speaker 4: How about a come tell me your son didn't your
Speaker 4: son hasn't snuck a piece of memorabilea. Did your son
Speaker 4: ever ask you say, hey dad, can you sign this
Speaker 4: for me? When you weren't helping him with the allowance
Speaker 4: or something nose?
Speaker 1: I do notice nowadays I said, wait a minute, didn't
Speaker 1: that used to be my shirt?
Speaker 4: They're like, well, Mark, it's been great to be with you.
Speaker 4: Thank you for being such a huge part of our lives.
Speaker 4: Our journey. You know I wasn't joking. I swear to you,
Speaker 4: I can. I can remember the exact seat in the
Speaker 4: front row left at that court of Adrea Theater after waiting.
Speaker 1: Looking at the movie like this in the front row right.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: And you you said it when you watch King Kong.
Speaker 4: I swear to you, I'm not making this up. When
Speaker 4: you said you cried, that would make no sense to me,
Speaker 4: except I remember crying watching that movie and like changed everything.
Speaker 4: I didn't know. It was what Orson Well says, don't
Speaker 4: give people you think they want, give what you never
Speaker 4: thought was possible, And it was. And it was that moment.
Speaker 4: It just expanded quite literally, not just figuratively, a universe.
Speaker 4: And so you've been such part of that. But you
Speaker 4: also I admire, and I of course you know, unsurprisingly
Speaker 4: may say this, but I also I admire your activism.
Speaker 4: You're willing to be yourself, the willing to have a conviction,
Speaker 4: and willing to put yourself out there regardless of what
Speaker 4: other people are thinking. And I appreciate you've been on
Speaker 4: the right side of so many issues. So it's great
Speaker 4: to be with you, and thank you for continuing to
Speaker 4: be such an inspiration.
Speaker 1: We're down, but we're not out. We're not going to
Speaker 1: capitulate in advance. I was really sorry Chris Ray decided
Speaker 1: to resign instead of, you know, going the distance. And
Speaker 1: because I'm telling you one thing I would like to
Speaker 1: say before we leave. If we can't agree on proven facts,
Speaker 1: the conversation shuts down. There's nowhere to go from there.
Speaker 1: So if you believe the election was stolen, there's nothing
Speaker 1: else to talk about. And until that is adjudicated, I
Speaker 1: believe January sixth is adjudicated in a court of law,
Speaker 1: there's no way for us to completely heal. So that's
Speaker 1: why I'm hoping they preserve all the January sixth committee's
Speaker 1: materials and finally rule one way or the other, because
Speaker 1: it's just shocking to me that, first of all, I
Speaker 1: didn't think he could survive after inciting in an insurrection
Speaker 1: like that. I said, oh my god, thank god he's out.
Speaker 1: But I've been wrong before. I remember driving home from
Speaker 1: recording something and hearing the Hollywood access grab him by
Speaker 1: the privates remark. I said, oh, I wrote in my
Speaker 1: datebook campaign over no one could survive that, and yet
Speaker 1: he's been able to survive. We don't have to do
Speaker 1: the laundry list. But it's just shocking to me. It's
Speaker 1: very disillusioning because I said, up until the end with Kamala,
Speaker 1: I said she's gonna beat him by more than Joe did,
Speaker 1: because I believe there were more honest, decent people with
Speaker 1: integrity than there are magas and I was wrong. Now
Speaker 1: maybe I'm right that there are more, but they didn't
Speaker 1: all vote. And again I'm still in a state of shock.
Speaker 1: And in fact, I had second thoughts about today and
Speaker 1: talking on the podcast, as I said, you know, for
Speaker 1: I don't know how many weeks it's been, but I've
Speaker 1: just been I've stopped cable news. I don't watch cable
Speaker 1: news anymore. I'm telling you I've never watched the Food
Speaker 1: Network more in my life now.
Speaker 5: So here's the deal, Mark, you have an open invite
Speaker 5: to come back to Oakland to hang out me and
Speaker 5: Marshaan and Gavin.
Speaker 1: I would be great. I love it.
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully we spared you too much politics.
Speaker 1: Frank Oz was born in Oakland. That tells Angels was
Speaker 1: born in Oakland.
Speaker 4: How about that, Marshaan Hell's Angels.
Speaker 1: You know, I was so excited to give a g
Speaker 1: key to the City of Oakland. What I didn't realize
Speaker 1: was like when I went to the ceremony, there are
Speaker 1: like seventy five other people getting one too.
Speaker 2: Everybody get a key, You get a key, You get a.
Speaker 4: Key, right right right, See when Marshan's when Marshaan's mayor,
Speaker 4: he's going to upgrade that key and he's only hand
Speaker 4: him out to select Field, right, Marshaan.
Speaker 1: You Good luck to all of you.
Speaker 5: I'm no Mark Mark I, Gavin said. I appreciate what
Speaker 5: you've done, what you're doing. I love your drive, your
Speaker 5: career has been incredible and this has been an absolute
Speaker 5: pleasure to have you on with us today. Honestly, got it,
Speaker 5: really you and I can't thank you enough.
Speaker 2: Man, Thank you my pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, appreciate it. Chief next time.
Speaker 4: Hey, Doug, we love hearing from our listeners and if
Speaker 4: you have any questions or comments, you can email us. Doug,
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Speaker 5: It's Politicken at iHeartRadio dot com. That's Politicken at iHeartRadio
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