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Speaker 5: Respect and And what's interesting where Sean lately in the NFL,

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Speaker 5: Well, speaking of our guards, Moore, Sean, the insurance guy

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Speaker 4: No, he's been there three days. It'll be their thirty

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Speaker 4: This guy just went went right out there and assassinated

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Speaker 2: Of which which insurance was he?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's Brett Farvard, Mark Gastineau, and Gastineau approached far

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Speaker 5: Hey, But more Sean, I want to ask you. I

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Speaker 4: After the game?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the guy, the Niner linebacker left the game,

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Speaker 2: Then figure this out.

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Speaker 4: They they're getting rid of this guy. Yeah, they spend them.

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Speaker 5: If you spend them, then you don't have to pay him.

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Speaker 5: If you cut him, then he gets everything.

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Speaker 4: Can't put up with that man? All right?

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Speaker 5: Listen, guys, this is an incredible moment for me because

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Speaker 5: Seven? Forty seven times? Okay only forty And not only that.

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Speaker 5: You know we have out of Oakland. I can name

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Speaker 4: Gavin the one, the only Mark Hamill, what's up?

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Speaker 1: Mark? My guys, I'm a proud product of Oakland, California.

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Speaker 1: Who else was from Oakland. I'm getting a fist pump

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Speaker 4: Yes, he may be the next Mark. He may be

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Speaker 5: If you don't Mark. I do remember when Marshawn uh

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Speaker 1: I should be clearer now. I yes, I was born

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Speaker 1: There was no They put photographs from the movie outside,

436
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Speaker 1: but it took a while to get a poster. What

437
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: shocked me was when we drove past the theater there

438
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 1: were lines around the block. Now, I hadn't seen any

439
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,479
Speaker 1: ads on television, usually on Saturday Night Live or you know,

440
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 1: those kind of programs. They they want to get the

441
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: young audience there. I didn't see any ads. I can't

442
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Speaker 1: say for sure there were none, but I didn't see any.

443
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, well, this is going to

444
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: take a couple of weeks for word of mouth to

445
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: get around because science fiction is usually very dry and serious,

446
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: you know, two thousand and one and so forth, and

447
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: this thing was, you know, funny. It was, you know,

448
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: like a fairy tale.

449
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 5: Remember those are the days of Rocky in seventy six,

450
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 5: in Star Wars. I mean, these were like massive movies

451
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 5: back in those days.

452
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Speaker 4: I was in the front row in corner Madera, California.

453
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 4: I'll never forget. It's ten years I mean literally ten

454
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 4: years old. Corner Madera like I felt, but we were in

455
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 4: the center of the universe because we're kind of felt

456
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 4: the Marin vibe, because Lucas being out in Marina felt

457
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 4: the Bay Area thing. So you kind of felt it

458
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 4: was like your own personal like discovery, which you'll never forget.

459
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 4: But the lions were the thing I remember the most.

460
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Speaker 1: It's no surprise George stayed in Marin County. He's not

461
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: comfortable in Los Angeles or southern California. And it's a

462
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Speaker 1: wonderful place to work. I mean when I go up there,

463
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: it's because everybody's so happy to be there, you know,

464
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: at Skywalker Ranch by.

465
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Speaker 4: The way Mark speaking of where you know, because place

466
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:15,959
Speaker 4: matters right now. Malibu Franklin fire. Yes, we share this

467
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 4: in common. I from afar, you from a lived experience.

468
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 4: How's this been going for you? The major four plus

469
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 4: thousand acre fire down in Malibu just this week?

470
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: How you doing well. We're monitoring it very closely and

471
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: as as of now, it's not coming towards us because

472
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: we're right near Topanga Canyon, so it's up by Pepperdine.

473
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: But I mean that's just one of the things that

474
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: you have to deal with living in a place like this.

475
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: It's mud slides and fires. And the reason we love

476
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: it so much is you feel like you're outside Los Angeles.

477
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: You don't like feel like you're in town. But we're

478
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, we're keeping an eye on it. It's it's

479
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: it was shocking how fast it grew because I was

480
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: watching what I was watching, Jimmy Kimmel, and they interrupted

481
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: to show that I think it was at that time

482
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: ten acres were on fire, so I stayed there. An

483
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: hour later, it was one hundred dang yeah, and my

484
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: wife had gone to bed, and I thought, should I

485
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: wake her? Ey won't bother But by three d am

486
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: it was eight hundred acres, so I went up and

487
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: just let her know, and she turned on the TV

488
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: in our bedroom.

489
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 4: But yeah, you had to shelter in place, right, you

490
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 4: were sort of actually stay.

491
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: We couldn't leave, which, as I said, fits in with

492
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: my elderly rec loose lifestyle. But now it's open. Yeah,

493
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: it's open, so you know, and again, I mean, you

494
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: never get used to it, but it's not like it's

495
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: never happened before. And by the way, now that you're

496
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: mentioning Malleble, I want to thank you signing the bill

497
00:24:54,840 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: that allowed cameras to come on peace. Yeah, because it's tragic,

498
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, these four teenage girls walking along and the

499
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: it's so narrow, especially with the added bike paths that

500
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, somebody gets distracted and swerves even afoot. It's

501
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: really critical that and I want to thank you for that.

502
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 5: Wait where the camera's gon No, just on pH.

503
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 4: We've had so many We've had so many pedestrian fatalities,

504
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 4: and it's such an iconic freeway and a lot of tourists,

505
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 4: but not even just tourists. People get easily distracted understandably

506
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: and and and Caltransit State manages and operates it. But

507
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 4: we haven't been doing've been investing in pedestrian safety as

508
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 4: much as we should. So we're going to finally get

509
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 4: some cameras out there. We've got some other strategies to

510
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 4: address just slowing folks down.

511
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 5: Hey, Mark, I appreciate asking about the be I always

512
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 5: love the story or two of how someone got there.

513
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 4: Like you know, I've known Gavin for thirty years.

514
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 5: He's my family, Like I know, he got here, and

515
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 5: Marshaun's been my client.

516
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 4: I know he got there.

517
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 5: So as a navy brat like you were, take me through,

518
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 5: really how you got from that, travel around twelve cities

519
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 5: and night schools, whatever it may be, to become Luke Skywalker.

520
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 4: Take me through how you got there.

521
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: Well, I came to Los Angeles. You know, I my

522
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: parents thought I was crazy. They said, we don't know

523
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: anybody in show business, and we don't know anybody who

524
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: knows someone in show was. There's no connections. There's no

525
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: way that we can see this happening. Because my game

526
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: plan was, well, I'll go to New York. I'll get

527
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: a job as a waiter or a taxi driver and

528
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: start auditioning. That's the only way I knew because I

529
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: read a lot of books about people and how they

530
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: got started, and that was my game plan. But my brother,

531
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: my older brother, Bill, was getting married in Los Angeles

532
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: and I came to be the best man. And at

533
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: that we talk about luck.

534
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: I mean.

535
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: His best friend was an artist named Michael Franks who

536
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: had written a musical that he had hoped to bring

537
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: to Broadway. And it was a summer of sixty nine

538
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,239
Speaker 1: and he had known me growing up because they had

539
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: been friends for years and years and years. So he said,

540
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: you can be in it. You don't even have to audition.

541
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: I have a part for you. So I did that

542
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: and one of the girls in the cast had a

543
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: father who was in the music business. He worked for

544
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: Neil Diamond, and he, after a performance said, if you're

545
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: serious about this, I could probably introduce you to some

546
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: people so you could get an agent. So I went

547
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: around to all the offices and I did two scenes.

548
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: I did a monologue as Snoopy from Your Good Man

549
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown Show comedy, and I brought his daughter, the

550
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: cast mate Lauren, in to read with me. For the

551
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: subject was roses. I played the Martin sheenpart to show drama.

552
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: So after about six of those, an e took me on.

553
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: That was the summer sixty nine. He wanted to start

554
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: sending me out. I said, but no, if I don't

555
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: go to college, I'll get drafted. And I didn't have

556
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: any money, but luckily, as a California resident, I could

557
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 1: get into LACC eight dollars in the pen and you

558
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: were in. It's probably more now, but yeah, you know,

559
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: I buy zero to.

560
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 4: Just for the records, not the full cost of attendance,

561
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 4: but tuition's free for two years. So thank you to

562
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 4: the you know, I'm just saying just for the record.

563
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: Which is so pro you know, free education for all regardless.

564
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, I sent my daughter to

565
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: USC and boy is it pricey.

566
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another that's a that's that's ridiculous. Right, it's

567
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: literally it's one or two of the most it's one

568
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 4: or the second most expensive school in the United States

569
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 4: now exactly.

570
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: But she did really well. And what did she get married?

571
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: What were degrees? Anyway, she did fantastic. What I'm saying is,

572
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, when I bought to young students and so forth,

573
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: I say that you have to be ready to not

574
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: only seize an opportunity, but recognize an opportunity. I said,

575
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: go do dinner theater. It doesn't matter what the status

576
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: of the production is. You just got to get on stage.

577
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: You have to get out there. So I majored in

578
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: the theater arts. But and he would send me out.

579
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 1: One time I got a part where it was going

580
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: to take five days, and I said, and he said,

581
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: you've got to do this, so you know, to get

582
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: your SAG card. And all that I had to lie,

583
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: I said to I went to the head of the department,

584
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: Jerry Blunt, and said, my mom has diabetes, which is true,

585
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: but I said, she's going into the hospital. I have

586
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,239
Speaker 1: to go visitor in San Diego. So I went and

587
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: I hit out, I got it's crazy. But what I'm

588
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: saying is by the second summer I there, I got

589
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: my union card, I had four credits. I look back

590
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: and I say, it's just astonishing because a lot of

591
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: these actors struggle for decades. Even some of these character

592
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: actors have to grow into the way they look because

593
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: they're not right at twenty four. But by the time

594
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: they're forty five, they become really successful character actors. But

595
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: it's the perseverance. So you know, that's what happened. And

596
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: you know I did. I don't know, maybe I don't know.

597
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: Thirty or forty guest appearances and twelve TV movies, and

598
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: then some my friend of mine said, did you hear

599
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: about this movie that George Lucas is doing Star Wars?

600
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: And in fact it's Robert England who plays Freddy Krueger.

601
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: Into this day, even in his book he said, if

602
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: it weren't for me. Mark would have never. I don't

603
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: want to burst his bubble. But when I called my agent,

604
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: she said, oh, yeah, you have an appointment, you know,

605
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: ten days from now.

606
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: I know it was already set up, huh.

607
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: But the weird thing was when we went in. It

608
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: was a meet and greet with Brian DePalma, who was

609
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: casting Carrie the King horror film, and George and you

610
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: know it's just like tell us a little about yourself

611
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. And so five minutes over I

612
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: went out to it was a cattle call. You know,

613
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: there's fifty guys there, you know, Han Solo types and

614
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: Luke types. And I said to one of the actors

615
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: who was Brian DePalma's assistant in there, the guy with

616
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: the beard that didn't say a word, They said, you idiot,

617
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: That was George Lucas. I said, oh, I didn't say anything.

618
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: Brian talked. And the next step was getting a screen

619
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: test about ten pages long. What I'm geting to. When

620
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: I got the part, you see, I hadn't read the script.

621
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: I read the one scene and you couldn't make heads

622
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: or tails out of it. I said to Harrison, who

623
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: I tested with, I said you were in American Graffiti.

624
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: You know, George, is this like a comedy or a

625
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: send up, like a spoof or it just it can't

626
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: be serious, right He said, Hey, you know whatever, let's

627
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: just get it done. There's no help, no help at all.

628
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: I said to George, is this sort of like a parody?

629
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: Is it like a send up? Well, let's just do

630
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: it and we'll talk about it later, which translates to

631
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: let's just do it and we'll never talk about it.

632
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: Because George isn't an actor type of director. He comes

633
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: alive in the editing room. He doesn't want to hear

634
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: about backstory or motivation or any of that stuff. Just

635
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: say your lines and do your best. But what what

636
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: what was astonishing is when I when I finally because

637
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: you know, there's a line in the screen test. Thank

638
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: god it's not in the movie to show you how

639
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: difficult it was to make it sound like it was

640
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: natural dialogue spontaneously come coming out of your head. Because

641
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: at one point here since said, hey kid, I've held

642
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: up my part of the bargain. And then I get

643
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: the chance you and the droids I'm dumping in moving on,

644
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: and my line in the screenplay was, but we can't

645
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if

646
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: the actual security there is any greater than it was

647
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: on Aquaire's Solace, and what there is is most likely

648
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: directed forwards a large scale assault. Huh, I mean you

649
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Speaker 1: could make sense of it. Fear is their greatest defense. Yeah,

650
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: the Death Star is intimidating. I doubt if the actual

651
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: security there's integrated. That was on two made up planets

652
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: acquire sauce, and what there is is most likely directed

653
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: towards a large scale assault. Yeah, like an armada. But

654
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: we could slip through because you're like the size of

655
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: a penny. But again, how does any of that make sense?

656
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: Hold on?

657
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 4: You?

658
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: Wasn't just read us something right now?

659
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: No, I've remembered that line for nearly fifty years, because no,

660
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't get it out of my head. And when

661
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: I read the screenplay, which by the way, was called

662
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: the The Adventures of Luke's Starkiller. That's taken from the

663
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: Journal of the Wills, Saga number one, the Star Wars

664
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: and my name was Luke star Killer, well killer that

665
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: I read on the call sheet. When I rescue the Princess,

666
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: I had filmed it. She said, aren't you a little

667
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: short for a stormtrooper? And go what? Oh the helmet?

668
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: I take the helmet off. I'm Luke Starkiller. I'm here

669
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: to rescue you. So we had filmed that and I

670
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: got the call sheet and I saw that scene was

671
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: on there again. I said, what's up with that? They said, oh, well,

672
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: they've changed your name. I said to what? And they

673
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: said to Skywalker. I said Skywalker, Oh, my.

674
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: God, like fire.

675
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean, because we have just gotten used to that name.

676
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: And I I thought I could use a little macho

677
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: in my name, and given my character he's such a

678
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: wimpy little farm boy, but I had just gotten used

679
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: to star Killer. But they said they pulled all the

680
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: women at the ages eighteen to thirty five don't like

681
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: characters with kill in their name. They had a little

682
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: contest on set because at one point George was told

683
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: that the focus group don't like the word wars.

684
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 5: So Mark, here you are. You're doing this movie. You

685
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 5: probably have no idea where this thing's going.

686
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 4: But actually tell me, Nobs, deep down, you're like this

687
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 4: thing's going to be a flop. I mean, did you

688
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 4: feel that way or just it's a paycheck or what

689
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 4: did you do?

690
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: I asked Carrie and Harrison what they thought. They were

691
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: sort of noncommittal and I and I remember telling Robert Watson,

692
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: the production manager, the first person I met when I

693
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: went to England and went to the studio. He says,

694
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: what do you think of this little endeavor about to

695
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: embark upon? And I said, I think we're on a winner,

696
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: because here's why. At that point it was only seven

697
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: and a half million. It later went up to just

698
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: under nine. So I did the math and I said,

699
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: we'll only have to make twenty five to get in,

700
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, get our money back. And I thought this

701
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: thing is so funny and whimsical. I said, it's not

702
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: science fiction. It's like a fairy tale. You've got a

703
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: farm boy, you've got a pirate, you've got a princess,

704
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: you got a wizard's it's it's a fairy tale dressed

705
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: up as science fiction. And I said, and it's effortlessly feminist.

706
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: I said, how about the princess. You know she doesn't

707
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: she's not a damsel in distress, and she takes over

708
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: her own rescue, grabs the gun from Luke and Hans.

709
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: You call this a rescue, give me that gun. I

710
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: said that kind of thing, because women overall are not

711
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: the biggest audience for science fiction. But said, I just

712
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: think it's so different, I said, And I was a kid.

713
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: I was a famous Monsters of Film Land kid. I

714
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: loved all the black and white universal horror films, and

715
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: so this is right up my alley. I loved science

716
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: fiction and fantasy, so I was predisposed to like it.

717
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: And I know, I said, even if I wasn't cast

718
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: in the movie, I'd still love this movie no matter

719
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: who played Luke. But not everybody felt that way, Like

720
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: I say, even to the point where they were about

721
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: to release it, Fox didn't really believe in it, and

722
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: we had no poster because one segment wanted to you know,

723
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: entertainment voyage beyond your imagination, far beyond, and the other

724
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: campaign was sort of like little rascals in outer space,

725
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: but they couldn't merge them.

726
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 5: So nine million dollars to make what's that gross?

727
00:37:59,280 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: Now?

728
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 4: After all yours? I'm curious.

729
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: I don't know eleven d building and I don't know.

730
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, you definitely from Oakland.

731
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really know. I mean, it's a lot

732
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: of money, but uh, uh, you know, for a while,

733
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I remember an ad where they had

734
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: R two D two with a fishing rod pulling Jaws

735
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: out of the water. Spielberg said, congratulations, George, who has

736
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: replaced Jaws as number one film of all time. But

737
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: it's been surpassed many many times since. I don't know

738
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: how many, But.

739
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 4: Mark, did you know how many there would be? I mean,

740
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 4: was it was? This? Was there a contract option when

741
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 4: you did the first one subsequence exactly?

742
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: So when we signed, if it were successful, we were

743
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: required to do a second and a third. And uh

744
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: that was one of the reasons I wanted to be

745
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: successful because, uh, you know it was it was so

746
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: much fun. I have to tell you. We just laughed

747
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: all day long. I mean it was especially My fondest

748
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: memories are on the Death Star with Harrison and Carrie,

749
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: because by the time of the second one we all separated.

750
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: I went off to a swamp planet with Yoda, and

751
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: I loved working with Frank Oz. He's still one of

752
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: my closest friends. But i'd see, you know, all the

753
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: other actors walking in the other direction, Hi, guys. I mean,

754
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: but it was very isolated on the second one, it

755
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: was the call sheet. I'd be the only human being

756
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: on the planet on the call sheet, me robots, a puppet,

757
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: various snakes and lizards.

758
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 5: So, Mark, you're now the Heyday, You're in the seventies,

759
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 5: You're you're in your mid twenties, you got the biggest

760
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 5: hit in the planet and your single la. I mean,

761
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 5: how was that life back then? I mean not had

762
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 5: to be pretty. I mean, I know, you're wife's into

763
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 5: the room, give not out of be a fun time, right, Well,

764
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 5: it was a.

765
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 4: Different time, you know.

766
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: I was.

767
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: I did fine before that happened. I mean, you know,

768
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: go to when I was doing the Texas Wheelers, a

769
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: TV series for Mary Tyler Moore. I mean there would

770
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: be all these beautiful actresses that were extras and I mean,

771
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 1: you know, and it was like seventy four. So when

772
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: that happened, Yeah, it was crazy. It was sort of like, oh,

773
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: this is what must be like for Mick Jagger. I

774
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: met my wife. She was my dental hygienis, and I

775
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: cleaned her, she cleaned my teeth, and you know we're

776
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: still married. What is it now, forty five years? Honey? Yeah,

777
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: congratulations most men, Yeah, fingers crossed. It's gonna work Gezo.

778
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: When you started, did you not that it will be

779
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: as successful as it is now?

780
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 4: Like?

781
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: Of course not. I mean I thought, like I said.

782
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: I remember specifically saying I was talking about the original,

783
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: not the remake. I said, this thing's going to outgross

784
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: Planet of the Apes, which at that time I had

785
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: made like forty million dollars. And I believe that. I said,

786
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: not only will it one of the reasons I thought

787
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: I would be successful even without a poster and no commercials,

788
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: I said, people like me. There are so many people

789
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: like me that will go see this just because of

790
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: the genre, and then word of mouth will kick in.

791
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: Oh but it's funny, and it's this and that, and

792
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: it's scary, it's all these things. So I was fairly

793
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: confident that it would be successful enough at least to

794
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: make the second one. Did I think it would go supernova?

795
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: Of course not.

796
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 4: You know, going back just to sort of the origin story,

797
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 4: because I'm curious you talked to I mean, sounds like

798
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 4: you had the acting bug very early on. I mean,

799
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 4: you knew what you wanted to do, and and you

800
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 4: know you're a pretty young man. But was it what

801
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 4: did you Was it you're inspired to get into acting

802
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 4: as you're traveling around the globe. Is you're you know

803
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 4: you're you're there at different naval bases. Was there someone

804
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 4: you admired, someone you looked up to, and you said

805
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 4: I want to be that when I grow up. At

806
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 4: what age did you really say this is my career path.

807
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: I hosted a variety show with my Jerry Mahoney dummy

808
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: in sixth grade, and I realized what all ventrilo chist

809
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: must realize is that you can say really obnoxious things

810
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: and blame it on the dummy. So I was able

811
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: to insult the cafeteria food. And I don't say that

812
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: about mister Gagnan. He's a nice man. Yeah, sneak gag, Oh,

813
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: don't be so terrible. And when the way the laughter,

814
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: I was just it gosh, I thought this, this is

815
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: what I want to do. And I didn't think, well,

816
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to be an actor because all the time,

817
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I loved I learned to read by getting

818
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: the paper off the doorstep and reading the comic strips,

819
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, simple comic strips like Nancy and Hey you stop.

820
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: So I loved cartoons and comic strips and stop frame animation.

821
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean I saw King Kong on TV when I

822
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: wasn't know five or six, and it was the first

823
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: movie that made me cry. And I didn't know how

824
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: they did the dinosaurs, I mean until Famous Monsters came

825
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: along and explained Willis O'Brien stop frame animation and Marcel

826
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: Delgado and the model makers and all that, and they

827
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: showed illustrations of the tabletops with the miniatures. I mean,

828
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: it just blew my mind, and I thought that I

829
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: want to somebody goes to work every day and makes

830
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: dinosaurs come to life. I want that job. I mean,

831
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: I didn't really think of much as and I remember

832
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: seeing Clarence Nash, this distinguished man in a suit and

833
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: tie on the Walt Disney Sunday Night Show and he

834
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: steps up to the microphone and does Donald Duck again.

835
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'd started school. Then it

836
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: just blew my mind because in those days you just

837
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: think of cartoons as you know, they just arrived full blown.

838
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: But I thought, somebody goes to work every day because

839
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: this is the wife goodbye, and pat's the kids on

840
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: the head and goes and he's he does Donald Duck

841
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: and they paid him for that, and I did a

842
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: terrible Donald Duck. But I was always putting on shows,

843
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: puppet shows and imitating people. I could make my brothers

844
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: and sisters laugh by imitating relatives and so forth, and

845
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: so I always had that performance gene in me. But

846
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: I also was pragmatic. I thought, well, don't know how

847
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: to go about doing it, but I don't have to

848
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: be in the show. I just want to be near

849
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: the show. Because again, Disney would put on these shows

850
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: where they say it's the making of Darby O'Gill and

851
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: the Little People, and he would show the camera crew

852
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: and wardrobe and the the carpenters and all these things.

853
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: And I would think in my mind, I said, well,

854
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm not a bad cook. If I can't be in

855
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: I could be a caterer for sure. So I just

856
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: knew that I want to be, you know, in in

857
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: a business that uh that you know, the escape is

858
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: some business.

859
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 5: And what's to take me through? So you're you're in

860
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 5: the You're doing these movies and and and again, I

861
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 5: mean you're the biggest start on the planet.

862
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 4: Luke Skywalker, et cetera. Take me through.

863
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 5: After that was there was there was there some years

864
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 5: where it's like you're a pigeonholed as this guy did

865
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 5: the did the call.

866
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 4: Stop coming at times?

867
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 5: And a meetings d I mean, tell me take me

868
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 5: through some of the rejection part of it.

869
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 4: And it struggles you face.

870
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: That the the the business I'm in. When you do

871
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: something well, they want you to do the same thing

872
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: over and over again because it's been proven to be profitable.

873
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: And Mary lud just said Amadeus. When I couldn't get

874
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: character parts, I went to New York where they will

875
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: add open auditions. You can just audition for things. So

876
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: I auditioned for Amadeus and Sir Peter Hall said, we

877
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: actually we've offered it. Who was it, Colin Firth whoever?

878
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: He was a British actor that they wanted, but they

879
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: couldn't be sure that he could get his green card,

880
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: so they put me up an hotel. This is why

881
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: I know they were serious. If he couldn't get his

882
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: green card, then I would replace Tim Curry. So on

883
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: my fingers crossed, I felt like, you know, John Cassavetti's

884
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: and Rosemary's baby rooting for ill will to befall some actor.

885
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,959
Speaker 1: So that didn't feel good, but turned out. I didn't

886
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: get that, but Peter said, well, I want I want

887
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: you to do the first national tour. So I did that.

888
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: I did Los Angeles, San Francisco, Baltimore, Chicago. I was

889
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: scheduled to go to Boston and they pulled me out

890
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: of the company and put me in the Broadway production. Anyway,

891
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: so I got some of the best reviews of my career.

892
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: But when I Milis Foreman said will you come in

893
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: because I'm doing the movie of Amadaeis and I want

894
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: you to read off camera for Costanza the actresses that

895
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: were up to play Costanza. Of course, so I get in.

896
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: I'm doing that between auditions for these all these young actresses.

897
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: I said to him, I said, you know, I've played

898
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: Mozart and I wonder if you be willing to consider me.

899
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: He laughed me. He said, oh, no, one is to

900
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: be believing that the Luke Skywalker is the most so

901
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, I get that, and at least

902
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: he was honest with me, so it removed any sort

903
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: And I thought Tom Holse did a great job of

904
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: the movie. But that's just what this business is. It's

905
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, and I tell young actors you have to have.

906
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, just the nerves of steel because you're

907
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: gonna face constant rejection. And it's not because you're not talented.

908
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: You might be too tall, too short, too fat, the

909
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: wrong color eyes, whatever it is. There's thousands of people

910
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: that you're going to be competing with and the odds

911
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: are it's like playing Roulette. You have to spin the

912
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: wheel five thousand times.

913
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 5: By the way, it's funny Mark because you know Marshaan

914
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 5: obviously is transitioned and doing acting. Now, are you getting

915
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 5: that mare Sean from as Do they look at you

916
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 5: and say, well, dude, you're beismo, you're the running back

917
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 5: and you can't do this or do you get a

918
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 5: lot of that on some of these directors Marshall, Uh No,

919
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 5: not so much.

920
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: But it's just more so like because they're not familiar

921
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: with me. So like the movie that I've just did,

922
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: Love Hurts, They like a lot of them knew me

923
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 3: from football, but a lot of the guys was like

924
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 3: from Germany, so they didn't really understand, you know, the

925
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: football aspect. But I'm like, you know, like I'm really athletic.

926
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: I can do a lot of the stunts that you

927
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: know that got going on, but they're like, ah, well

928
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: you just don't know. And then I you know, I

929
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 3: have to prove to them to show them like no,

930
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: I can actually really move, like I can move move

931
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: like really moving, you know. I mean, they'll give me

932
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 3: an opportunity like, oh ship, I had no idea. And

933
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 3: then they were going actually watch me uh uh you

934
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 3: know play like oh I had no idea type ship.

935
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: But when you when you when you say that, I

936
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: got to work with uh with with Mike Loven Chris

937
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: and he did uh he played Mike Lovin and uh

938
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: super Bad and we were doing the show uh stars

939
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: on Mars and everybody you know, we would seeing and

940
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: we're like, oh shit, is mc loving And he's like, no,

941
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 3: don't call me mc loven.

942
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: My name is is Chris, Like.

943
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 4: Call me Chris.

944
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: And it got to a point where, you know, some

945
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: of the producers had did some ship and they had

946
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: called him like mc lovin and he lost his ship.

947
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: Like I told you, my fucking name is Chris, Call

948
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: me fucking Chris. So when you were speaking on that,

949
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: I'm like that was the first thing that went to

950
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: my mind, like, you know, getting a pigeonholed.

951
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 4: In a row and Mark, you ever break down like that?

952
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 4: You said, fucking talk to you. My name's not Luke,

953
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 4: you asked me.

954
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: While I listened to him talking, I'm you know a

955
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: lot of times they won't let you do stunts because

956
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: it's an insurance risk. Because in my career, I said,

957
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: I want to do all my own stunts. The only

958
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: one I wasn't allowed to do was when he gets

959
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: blown out the portal uh and I think the second one,

960
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: and the stunt guy said, can you do a flip

961
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: off a diving board? I said, oh, yeah, I've been

962
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: doing that all my life. Well, then you can do this.

963
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: So I was really thrilled because they had a springboard.

964
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: Colin Skeeping was my stunt double. He never he wasn't

965
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: even on the first one. I didn't have a stunt

966
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 1: double on the first one, but I did on Empire.

967
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: But then insurance stepped in and says, no way you're

968
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,479
Speaker 1: doing that, because do a flip out candy glass which

969
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: can't damage you. Onto to all these mattresses that are

970
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: on those big, you know, packing boxes like beacons. What's

971
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: out with stunt guys all around to make sure you

972
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: don't bounce off or whatever. So I wasn't worried about it,

973
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: but they said, you can't do it. Now flash forward

974
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: to my elderly years. I look at the script and

975
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: I said, anything you can get away with with a

976
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: stunt double, I'm down with that.

977
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: So there was fighting and uh, there's a lot of fightings,

978
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 3: but one in particulars it was actually like, you know,

979
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: what's moves that you can do that we can incorporate

980
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 3: in the facing that you know would show it now

981
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 3: to you know you actually you know, being an athlete.

982
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I mean, you know, there's

983
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: a few things like I played running back, so you

984
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: know I can move a latter latter room, you know,

985
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 3: pretty quick. So I showed them a couple moves like

986
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: I actually just you know, ran a you know, like

987
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: a simple drill in the in the gods they like

988
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: blew they ship like, oh my god, like that ship

989
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 3: is amazing. And I was like, well, you know, if

990
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 3: I could hit somebody, and they're like, well, we'll show

991
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: us what you mean. So they got a guy and uh,

992
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: and I tackled him and they're like, oh, my fucking god,

993
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 3: let's go. How would you how would you feel if

994
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 3: we actually had you tackle this guy through a wall.

995
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 3: And I'm like, hell fucking year, Like, yeah, so they

996
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 3: put up this. They put up this whole fucking wall,

997
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 3: and was like, okay. The stunt coordinator, the second director,

998
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: was like, hey, man, you know, you know if you're

999
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 3: not up to it, you know your stunt guy who Marcus,

1000
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: who was who was really good? And I'm like, no,

1001
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 3: you know, I'm good. I'm ready for it. He's like,

1002
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: because I don't know, man, we got that, we got

1003
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 3: one wall. I'm like, all right, don't worry about it.

1004
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 3: He's like, but you got to land here and where

1005
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 3: it sat is probably like five feet from uh from

1006
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: the wall. And I'm like, you know what, I'll be

1007
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 3: able to get it done. So when we do it,

1008
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: And I mean, I fucked that wall up. I tried

1009
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 3: to tear the whole fucking house down, to be honest

1010
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: with you, And all I remember was running through that

1011
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 3: fucking wall and I hit the dude so fucking hard,

1012
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: and when I landed on it, I just heard all

1013
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: the air going oh. And for a second I fucking

1014
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 3: forgot we was even filming. Hey, hey, you all right,

1015
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 3: I shouldn't stay in it. Stay in it, oh ship

1016
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: yeah and right. It was probably some of the most

1017
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 3: funny shit I ever did period. But when I fucking

1018
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: smashed that dude through that wall, like the insurance that

1019
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 3: you were just talking about, now they everybody coming in,

1020
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 3: all the doctors on set, the pro everybody, Hey, you

1021
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 3: all right, you all right, making sure everything's all right,

1022
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 3: and you go back and you look at that.

1023
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: Wall, like, what the fuck just happened. Now.

1024
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 3: I'm not big on playback so or watching playback, so

1025
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: I just kind of was. I was in a zone.

1026
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 3: Pick up the phone.

1027
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: I called Doug, Like, Doug, I just ran somebody through

1028
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: a fucking wall. Bro.

1029
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: See if anybody want to, uh, if anybody want a

1030
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: thirty eight year old running back, I think I got

1031
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: some more left in the tank. So I hear the

1032
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 3: people they watching it, and all you hear is them

1033
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 3: motherfucker's just laughing, laughing, like, oh my god, that shit

1034
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 3: was great. But that was a big moment. But now

1035
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: you talk about the insurance. Had I done anything wrong

1036
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 3: or fuck some shit up, then I'm probably out for

1037
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 3: a while.

1038
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 5: And by the way, mark as an agent as I am,

1039
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 5: I did I did make a few calls to teams.

1040
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 5: I said Marshawn send me that footage, and I called

1041
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 5: a couple of teams.

1042
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 4: I said, you need a guy for a few games.

1043
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: Doug, you're his agent?

1044
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 5: Yes, I was his football agent, correct, not his entertainment agent,

1045
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 5: but football agent.

1046
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: But he has a theatrical agent now, correct, because remember, Marshawn,

1047
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: you're not just an after, You're an investment.

1048
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1049
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: They have to protect their investments.

1050
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I got I got that understanding after I, uh,

1051
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 3: after I ran through that wall.

1052
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1053
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: Man, that ship was That ship was great.

1054
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: And what's crazy is a lot of the guys that I, uh,

1055
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 3: that I worked with, they actually did stunts for uh,

1056
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: some Star Wars movies. They actually were showing me like

1057
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: some of the what they call them some of the

1058
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 3: gags where they put the harnesses on everybody and people

1059
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 3: pulling and swinging and all that shit. And they showed

1060
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,959
Speaker 3: me this this clip where it was on a set

1061
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 3: for Star Wars and uh, the guys they like through

1062
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 3: some kind of bomb or something and everybody was exploding

1063
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 3: and flying in every which way and shit, and I'm like,

1064
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 3: god that like I'm going to I'm want to trye

1065
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: some of that shit. I was like, nah, you probably

1066
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 3: would never be able to do no shit like that

1067
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 3: one because you big than a motherfucker, Like, I don't

1068
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 3: know how many people.

1069
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: We would have to pull you.

1070
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 3: But when you start talking about the insurance and then

1071
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 3: being a liability, uh, it kind of made sense. But

1072
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: in my mind, I'm like, oh, I run through people

1073
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: and run into people like that's how I made a living.

1074
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:51,959
Speaker 4: Hey, Mark, let me ask you a question.

1075
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Speaker 5: I see the brotherhood of the athletics and sports, and

1076
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 5: I'll I'll go back and use more Shaw's example. You know,

1077
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 5: when they won the Super Bowl and he's the players

1078
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 5: he played with and the love, the half of each

1079
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 5: other and the kind of the respect and when they

1080
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 5: see each other after years and whether it be a

1081
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 5: you know, social setting or reunion or whatever. So when

1082
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 5: you go back and see Harrison Ford now or George Lucas,

1083
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 5: do you guys like have that special bond like, dude,

1084
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 5: we did something like crazy out of this world good,

1085
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 5: you know forty years ago, fifty years ago. Do you

1086
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 5: kind of have that bond where you see each other

1087
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 5: as kind of like that love as an athlete might

1088
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 5: have with the teammate.

1089
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and not just with those movies.

1090
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 4: It being.

1091
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: You know, it's a community and we all support each other.

1092
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's television, movies. I remember I was

1093
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: telling you I went to New York to try and

1094
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: get character parts. And one thing that really changed my

1095
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: career is I read in I don't know, the Comic

1096
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: Buyer's Guide that they were going to do an animated Batman.

1097
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: And I saw the and producers they were putting forward.

1098
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: I said, oh, my gosh, this is clearly going to

1099
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: be a step above the Saturnnay Morning, you know super

1100
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: Friends version. This looks like it's going to be intelligently

1101
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: written for once. They were getting people instead of, you know,

1102
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: hiring people that have never done the character, and they

1103
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: read the best of Batman over the weekend and start

1104
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: writing a script on Monday. And they were getting people

1105
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: that had long, decades long experience with not just that character,

1106
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: but all the you know, comic book characters. So I said,

1107
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: I'd love to audition for the Joker. And no, I said,

1108
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: I'd love to audition, but I wanted to play a

1109
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: villain that never been done before, clay Face, two face, whatever.

1110
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: But they said, you have an audition for the Joker.

1111
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: I said, oh, it's a little too high profile. Jack

1112
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: Nicholson was so great. She's a romero anyway. The only

1113
00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: reason I think I had confidence was about two months

1114
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: earlier they cast Michael Keaton as Batman, and all the

1115
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: Dan boys lost their minds. Oh my god, he's mister Mom.

1116
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,479
Speaker 1: He can't be Batman, blah blah blah without seeing him

1117
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: play the part. Ever, so what I'm saying in that atmosphere,

1118
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: I said, if you think they lost their minds over

1119
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: mister Mom playing Batman, how are they gonna feel about

1120
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker playing the Joker. There's no way they can

1121
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: cast me. So normally you go in and if you

1122
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: want the part a lot, Sometimes your anxiety can get

1123
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: the better of you. They can sense a neediness that

1124
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: makes them uncomfortable. You're off your game because you're nerves

1125
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: or whatever. Here, I thought, well, since there's no way

1126
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: I can get it, I'm going to make them lose.

1127
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make them sorry they can't hire me, and

1128
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: I just let it rip and had the greatest time

1129
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: in my life. And what happened was it really turned

1130
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: my career in the sense that opened up doors in

1131
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: the voiceover world, and the voiceover world is one of

1132
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: the most talented subsets of show business. And everywhere you go,

1133
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: if you do your job and you're on time, you're

1134
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: not a prima donna. You get accepted by the Broadway community,

1135
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: the off Broadway community, and so forth. So you know,

1136
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: once I started doing various parts other than the joker,

1137
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: I was very quickly accepted by people that I admire

1138
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: so much. And I don't know, I've lost count of

1139
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: how many cartoons have done over one thousand since ninety two,

1140
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, they cast with their ears, not their eyes,

1141
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: so you're going to be able to play characters that

1142
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: you would never get on camera. And you know, I

1143
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: never got to do dialects until I did voiceover. Then

1144
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: I could do Australia, and I could do Cockney, I

1145
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: could do whatever, because they unless you're Meryl Street, they

1146
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: if they wanted at you, they'll hire an Australian.

1147
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 5: So Mark, how does that work? Get a voiceover? They

1148
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 5: give you the script and then and then they give

1149
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 5: you like, hey, you have a month to do this,

1150
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 5: and you do it every day. I mean, how does

1151
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 5: that go about?

1152
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 4: With the voiceover stuff?

1153
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: Well, you usually get the script the night before or

1154
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: two days before you go in and they record the

1155
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: voice first then send it overseas. Unfortunely, I wish they

1156
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't outsource, but it's animated somewhere else, and so the

1157
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: finished product doesn't show up to at least nine months

1158
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: to maybe eighteen months later, which is why I've missed

1159
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: so many of the things I've done, because they don't

1160
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: send you an email say hey, your episode of Powerpuff

1161
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: Girls is on this Tuesday, and if you don't really

1162
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: keep it. When the kids were small, I see a

1163
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: lot of seriously go wait, you guys, I think that's

1164
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: me playing the gangster squirrel.

1165
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's me.

1166
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 4: That's me.

1167
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: But I got it by accident.

1168
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 4: By the way, Mark, it's interesting you you were. You

1169
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 4: talked about being type We talked about being type cast.

1170
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 4: You talked about how you can lose yourself in an

1171
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 4: animation frame and become something so much bigger than what

1172
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 4: you physically are are perceived as. But what you by

1173
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 4: definition attracted to the villain character even before Joker in

1174
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 4: order to express your desire to be more than what

1175
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 4: you were type cast for. When he was at the

1176
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 4: impetus for trying to find that contrary and frame, it must.

1177
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: Have been because I'm so pure in one note, but

1178
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: I thought the best part was Darth Vader. Now he's

1179
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: only in the movie maybe twelve minutes, but in terms

1180
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: of impact and gravitas, you know, that's hard to top.

1181
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: But you know, I have to to tell you that

1182
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: recently on its on Netflix now Mike Flanagan, who I

1183
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: was a huge fan of from the Haunting of Hill House,

1184
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: the Haunting of Blind Man, or Midnight Mass and so

1185
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: for I was a huge fan. He requested a meeting

1186
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: with me, came over the house with Trevor Macy, the producer,

1187
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: and pitched me the Fall of the House of Usher,

1188
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: and I was going to he was wanted to hire.

1189
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: It's this criminal family. It's you know, he puts reality

1190
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: into his fantasy so you can relate to it. The

1191
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: Usher family is making billions of dollars on ligadone, which

1192
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: is killing hundreds of thousands of people. Oh it's the

1193
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: Sackler family. Yeah, I get that. So he grounds it

1194
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: in reality you can relate to. And I was asked

1195
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: to play this amoral, soulless sociopath lawyer who covers up

1196
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: for he's the long lifelong attorney for the Usher family.

1197
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: Just pure evil. And when I read script, I thought,

1198
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't have no idea how I

1199
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: will approach this. But if Mike thinks I can do it,

1200
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: I've got to do it. So I agreed. And it

1201
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: was scary because you know, normally you have some concept

1202
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: of how you should play this character, what the script

1203
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: requires from you to make it all work. And it's

1204
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: a big ensemble cast. I'm a supporting player and like this.

1205
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: And that's typical of Mike's projects. You know, he has

1206
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: all these wonderful actors who I had already admired. I thought,

1207
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: I just want to meet these people, because you know,

1208
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: a lot of them I never seen before. Henry Thomas

1209
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: i'd seen, but twelve of them i'd never seen before. Anyway,

1210
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: it came very late in the game, but once I

1211
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: got to pick the wardrobe and figured out, well, this

1212
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: is the guy that gets out of the bed in

1213
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: the morning. When he gets out of the show, he's

1214
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: gonna just wipe his head once and not do any product.

1215
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: So I said, kind it short enough so it's not

1216
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: sticking up, just short enough so it lays down. Then

1217
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: they found I found these glasses, and I found the

1218
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: hat and I looked in the mirror and it wasn't

1219
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: me anymore. It was Arthur Gordon Pim, who the other

1220
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: characters referred to as the Pim Reaper. So the last

1221
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: element they came. We went to do the first scene

1222
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: on my first day of work with Madeline and Roderick,

1223
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: the brother and sister that are the head ushers. And

1224
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: I didn't plan this, but when I started talking, I

1225
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: started talking like this. Well, we tried to contact him,

1226
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: but he won't return our calls because I want to

1227
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: impart this deadness in him. And later in the morning,

1228
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: when Mike walked passed, he said, love the voice, and

1229
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm home, because once you have the blessing

1230
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: of your director. And Mike fin mcnari did the other

1231
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: He did four and I did for But I mean,

1232
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: I just it was the first time I ever got

1233
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: to do I did a typical roles all the time

1234
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: in voiceover. I mean, you play all these different gangsters

1235
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: and well, like I said, a gangster squirrel. But this

1236
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: was the first time I was ever get to do

1237
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: it on camera. And I'm really grateful for him. I

1238
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: formed a real bond with him, and I've got a

1239
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: movie coming out that he directed based on a Stephen

1240
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: King novel called The Life of Chuck, which comes out

1241
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: when in May. And I'm thinking, wait a second, these

1242
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,919
Speaker 1: two titans of horror, Stephen King and Mike Flanagan, I'm

1243
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: expecting the script to be, you know, the horror epic

1244
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: of all time. It is the sweetest, most pointed. It

1245
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: is not horror at all. It's the story of a

1246
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: boy named Chuck, you seem at four different stages until

1247
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: he grows up to be Tom Middleston. And I'm telling

1248
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,479
Speaker 1: you they showed it the Toronto Film Festival. I'd seen

1249
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: a screening at Mike's house, but I saw it with

1250
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: an audience and I can't tell you what elation I felt,

1251
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: because they loved it. They laughed the everything it's it's

1252
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: it's so uh, I said, I don't know how you're

1253
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: going to quote this because it's completely indescribable. You just

1254
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: have to see it to believe it.

1255
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 5: But Mark, the greatest thing about you, which I love

1256
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 5: and I appreciate, is that you're the epitome of you

1257
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 5: live to work instead of work to live. We just

1258
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 5: talked about our good friend Bill Belichick, who's coaching again.

1259
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 5: You You don't want to retire to fishing village in

1260
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 5: Portugal or go to Anguela and sit in the beach.

1261
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 5: You want to You're working more now than it's insane

1262
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 5: what you're doing, which is incredible. So you love what

1263
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 5: you're doing, and this is what you want to continue

1264
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 5: to do it correct. There's no there's no shutting it

1265
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 5: down for you.

1266
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I have I have a movie out now,

1267
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: the Wild Robot. I'm the voice of Thorn the Bear, and.

1268
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 4: Which is again all kinds of awards. Congratulations next level.

1269
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean last year I was a Voice and

1270
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: the Boy and the Hair and which won the Oscar.

1271
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: This time they're talking about an Oscar nomination for Wild Robot.

1272
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: And next year I have three things coming out of

1273
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: the Life of Chuck, which I told you about, the

1274
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: Long Walk, which is based on a Stephen King novel,

1275
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: and those teams. This one really is horrific. In fact,

1276
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: when I read it, I was just so turned off.

1277
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: I said, ugh, you know once you have to what

1278
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 1: we have to do is you have to don't think

1279
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: like Mark, think like the character, because villains don't think

1280
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: they are villains. They think they're doing what's right, even

1281
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: though an objective observer would say, this guy's horrible. So

1282
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: once I got into that, and plus, it's about all

1283
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Speaker 1: these young men. It's all these twenty one year old guys,

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01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: and I'm not really the villain, but the state is

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01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 1: the villain, and I represent the state. So in that case,

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01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: I am the villain. And my son read it and said, Dad,

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01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: you got to do this, So I thought he because

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01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: I said, I'll watch this someday. I don't want to

1289
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Speaker 1: be in it, but I'm glad I did. I'm glad

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01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: I got over myself. And the last one, what's the

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01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 1: last one? Oh, I'm in the I'm in the new

1292
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: SpongeBob SquarePants movie, which comes out in December with Tom

1293
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: will have one of my I've been friends with this

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01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: guy for thirty years, one of the nicest men in

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01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 1: show business. And I'm telling you he is so pure

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01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 1: and so genuine you realize he is SpongeBob in real

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01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: life because he's relentlessly optimistic, and whenever you are around

1298
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: him or his wife, Jill Tally, they just lift your spirits.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of life, real life and not necessarily lifting the spirits.

1300
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,560
Speaker 4: It would be remiss if I didn't ask you you know,

1301
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,480
Speaker 4: a big part of your life and all these iterations

1302
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 4: and just the longevity that Doug talks about, and your

1303
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 4: resilience as an actor, and your remarkable career that seems

1304
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 4: to be gaining speed steam not losing steam. But one

1305
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 4: thing you're known for is your activism and your willingness

1306
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 4: to assert a point of view in a very public

1307
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 4: way and accept all the slings and arrows that may

1308
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 4: come your way, the adihilation and the condemnation both And

1309
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 4: I imagine particularly from a political sphere, when did you

1310
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 4: start to find that voice or when did you start

1311
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 4: to express that inner voice as someone that wanted to

1312
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 4: be known for something more than just the work you

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01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 4: did on screen.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've always been interested in politics, as far back

1315
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: as when I I would have been eight, when Nixon

1316
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: and Kennedy ran and I said to my mom, you know,

1317
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: because you see jfk And he just radiated charmed. He

1318
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:56,799
Speaker 1: was funny, he was inspirational, and you know, Nixon reminded

1319
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: me of the scary teacher in school that you didn't

1320
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: want to be around. Let me just you know. And

1321
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: I said to my mom, why is Dan voting for Nixon?

1322
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. Yeah, I had no political

1323
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: point of view. I didn't know what any issues were.

1324
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm just saying just from the standpoint of the way,

1325
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: a dog will sniff you and either walk away or

1326
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:23,839
Speaker 1: want cuddles. Dogs know. And she said, well, don't tell him,

1327
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: but I'm voting for JFK. Those were in the days

1328
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: where the white hat slavishly follow the husband. But no.

1329
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: I also, I've always been engaged. The first election that

1330
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: I was able to vote was in nineteen seventy two.

1331
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: I read an interview with play on Playboy magazine with

1332
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 1: George McGovern. I said, oh my god, not only do

1333
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: I despise Nixon, but this guy is I mean, I'm

1334
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly in love with every position he has. So I

1335
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: went to after school and LACC. I'd go to McGovern headquarters,

1336
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: stuff on below, go door to door, make phone calls,

1337
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: all the things that we do. And of course that's

1338
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: my first election. It was crushed one of them, yes exactly,

1339
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: and so you could have even given up or said,

1340
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, double down and stick stick with it, and

1341
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 1: that's what I did. So I never I've never missed

1342
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: an election. I'm even local races, you know, whether it's

1343
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: a mayor or committ you know, councilman whatever. I always vote,

1344
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: but I was never asked to be so I supported

1345
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: every Democrat, you know, Mondale, you'd name it Clinton, Barack Obama.

1346
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: But they never asked me to be a part of

1347
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 1: the campaign. I just told my talked to my friends

1348
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: and made sure they were all voting and government Do

1349
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 1: Caucus asked me to join the campaign in the last

1350
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: six weeks when it was things were really dire, and

1351
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: of course I did that. I went with him and

1352
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: we went all over the Northeast. And I remember, because

1353
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: you get your assignments, they say, okay, you get on

1354
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: that bus, you get in this car. At one point

1355
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: they said you get in the governor's limousine. And I

1356
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: was there with Michael Lucucus and he said, so, Mark,

1357
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: I understand you have a daughter named Chelsea and I said, yeah,

1358
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: she's my youngest. He said, you know Bill Clinton has

1359
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: a daughter named Chelsea. I said, oh, are you considering

1360
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: him to be maybe on the ticket with He goes, well,

1361
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: he's got a bit of a woman problem.

1362
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:42,879
Speaker 4: How's that for foreshadowing us? And a good do Caucus.

1363
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 4: By the way, Mark, well done. I don't want to

1364
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 4: hear you do me after this, I'm not a little worried.

1365
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Speaker 1: Well, listen, the thing is, I never like you to

1366
01:13:52,080 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: your question. I never became active until wanting to make

1367
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: sure that first of all, I was devastating. I want

1368
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: to get rid of the electoral college because Hillery Beatium

1369
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,799
Speaker 1: by three million votes just to Shy under three million,

1370
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: and Gore be w by half a million. And it

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01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: was making me crazy because I started reading about the

1372
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: electoral college. Oh my god, this is the remnants of

1373
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,919
Speaker 1: slave days when they were trying to you know, proportion

1374
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,759
Speaker 1: the amount of votes with you know, how many slaves

1375
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: you owned, and oh it's awful. But anyway, so that

1376
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: in Citizens United I'd like to get rid of. But

1377
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: in any case, I started, as you said, you get

1378
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: most scorching hate tweets from the MAGA crowd, and when

1379
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: I was still on Twitter, I had to stop reading

1380
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: the responses. I wouldn't block anyone because then they could

1381
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 1: display Mark Hamill blocked you as a badge of honor.

1382
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: But I muted like a mofo. I would mute, you know.

1383
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: I looked up one day and like, oh my god,

1384
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: I've been muting people for forty minutes. So once I

1385
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: realized how it was eating into my own time, I said,

1386
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: the only thing to do is don't read the response.

1387
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: You just can't.

1388
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 4: You can't.

1389
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: And someone said to me, my daughter would say, Daddy,

1390
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:14,719
Speaker 1: you shouldn't tweet politically so much, because you know, people

1391
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: get so angry. And so I wrote a tweet that

1392
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: I said, the people complaining about my Trump tweets have

1393
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: to understand I love my country and I feel it's

1394
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: my patriotic duty to oppose this sociopathic well, I forget

1395
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: the other word, whatever it was, with every fiber of

1396
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:37,759
Speaker 1: my being. And that's the way I've been, I thought,

1397
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I do feel it's an obligation. And who

1398
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: cares about your career? People say, oh, well, it's hurting

1399
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,799
Speaker 1: your career because you have to appeal to the whole country,

1400
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: not just half the country or forty five percent or

1401
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: whatever the MAGA crowd is. But I said, in a

1402
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: grander scheme of things, who cares if I lose a

1403
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: part in the movie Because I hate the orange atrocity

1404
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 1: I do, and I want people to notice. So that's

1405
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: what I've done.

1406
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 4: So here's the deal.

1407
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 5: Mark, If our guy here runs in four years. We

1408
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 5: know the way in the sprinter van with me and

1409
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 5: more Shawn and Gavin.

1410
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 4: How about that, Mark, No, it's gonna be a Corvette

1411
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 4: because my favorite movie is Corvette Summer. You guys forgot

1412
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 4: about Corvette Summer. Everyone forgot about.

1413
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 2: You.

1414
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 4: Hey, Marshaan, you got to check out Corvette Summer like

1415
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 4: it's sweet.

1416
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: When Annie and I filmed the movie, it wasn't called

1417
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: Corvette Summer. Is called Dantley and Vanessa, a Fiberglass Romance.

1418
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 1: And then god MGM changed the title of the Corvette Summer.

1419
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: We all went, oh, no, it sounds like, you know,

1420
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: drive in garbage. And it's a really sweet little moviere

1421
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: a kid he's in love with the car. Over the

1422
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: course of the movie winds up falling in love with

1423
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,879
Speaker 1: this girl and he doesn't care about the car anymore.

1424
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 1: So I thought it had an interesting message.

1425
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 5: But Mark, you've been an Mark, You've been an Oakland guy.

1426
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 5: Marshan be an Oakland guy. I think Marshawn would be

1427
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 5: great in some voiceovers as well. I think we've got

1428
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 5: to connect you guys, know, man, I want to I

1429
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 5: want to try this shit so bad. Should you should?

1430
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:23,919
Speaker 4: I'm been doing.

1431
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 2: A lot of what is it a d R Yes.

1432
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 1: Additional dialogue recording, get the three bet beep beep, come

1433
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 1: in and on the fourth Yeah, what I'm saying, Marshawn,

1434
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: if you go into voiceover, see, they're not gonna look

1435
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 1: at you and say he's type. They're gonna listen to

1436
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: your voice and if your voice is right, you're gonna

1437
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 1: get it regardless of how you look. So and not

1438
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: only that, but voiceover is the ultimate lazy actor's dream

1439
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: because you don't have to memorize lines.

1440
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 2: You read it.

1441
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: You can you can come in looking like hell because

1442
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: they don't see you. It's I said, where's this been

1443
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: on my life? When I did a chess Yes, and

1444
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: I'm in the early nineties, and I'm telling you it's

1445
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: you can make a lot more money in television movies,

1446
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: but it's volume, volume volume. If you're doing three four

1447
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 1: hundred cartoons a year, that adds up. So some of

1448
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 1: these people are the Jim Cummings, Tom Kenny there, Rob Paulson.

1449
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: These are the most famous people you've never heard.

1450
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 4: Of, but we've heard from. Is what you're saying, yeah,

1451
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 4: because we're hearing their voice over and over and over again.

1452
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: And it's the best of both worlds because I mean,

1453
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: you can be anonymous and go anywhere you want. I mean,

1454
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,719
Speaker 1: if I go to like you know, last Star Wars

1455
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: thing I went to, there's dealers there, not fans dealers.

1456
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,560
Speaker 1: Because memorabilia is such a big deal. They get you

1457
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: stick you're on a poster. The value.

1458
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 5: Can you imagine walking with Mark in a Star Wars convention?

1459
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 5: I mean, are you kidding me?

1460
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: And they follow you all the way to your car.

1461
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: I've been followed home where they stop at the red

1462
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: lights and run your car during red lights. They followed

1463
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: me all the way to the base where I turned

1464
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 1: to go up the hill to where I live, and

1465
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: I got out of the car and said, look, you guys,

1466
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 1: please don't follow me all the way home. And it's

1467
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: like a nuisance. I mean, I remember when I was

1468
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: a kid and I said, a hard day snile. I went, oh,

1469
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: that's what I want. You know, the Beatle they were

1470
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 1: being chased down the street and girls were clamoring for them,

1471
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 1: and it just seemed I wanted it recently emptying. What

1472
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: a horror movie this is. They have no life. They

1473
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 1: go from a car to a studio through a car

1474
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 1: to a hotel room. It's just like it's horrible, and

1475
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: you know you don't want to be ungrateful. And I

1476
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: do love the fans, I can't stand the dealers. And

1477
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: like I said, just a commodity. I mean we signed

1478
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: stuff at Universal, We drive home to maunt of who

1479
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: you know, forty five through an hour later and my

1480
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 1: son goes, hey, Dad, that stuff you signed in the

1481
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: garage is already on eBay dot. Don't put it to anyone.

1482
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: It's a gift and I'm not sure who I want

1483
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: to give it to you. I might as well sign

1484
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: it best wishes eBay because you know that thank you,

1485
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: I say, instead of me signing your lightsaber, I'm about

1486
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: a saltie.

1487
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 4: How about a come tell me your son didn't your

1488
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 4: son hasn't snuck a piece of memorabilea. Did your son

1489
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 4: ever ask you say, hey dad, can you sign this

1490
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 4: for me? When you weren't helping him with the allowance

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Speaker 4: or something nose?

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01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 1: I do notice nowadays I said, wait a minute, didn't

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01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: that used to be my shirt?

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Speaker 4: They're like, well, Mark, it's been great to be with you.

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01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 4: Thank you for being such a huge part of our lives.

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01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 4: Our journey. You know I wasn't joking. I swear to you,

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01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 4: I can. I can remember the exact seat in the

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01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 4: front row left at that court of Adrea Theater after waiting.

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01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: Looking at the movie like this in the front row right.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 4: And you you said it when you watch King Kong.

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01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 4: I swear to you, I'm not making this up. When

1503
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 4: you said you cried, that would make no sense to me,

1504
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:11,839
Speaker 4: except I remember crying watching that movie and like changed everything.

1505
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 4: I didn't know. It was what Orson Well says, don't

1506
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 4: give people you think they want, give what you never

1507
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 4: thought was possible, And it was. And it was that moment.

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01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,959
Speaker 4: It just expanded quite literally, not just figuratively, a universe.

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01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 4: And so you've been such part of that. But you

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01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 4: also I admire, and I of course you know, unsurprisingly

1511
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 4: may say this, but I also I admire your activism.

1512
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 4: You're willing to be yourself, the willing to have a conviction,

1513
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 4: and willing to put yourself out there regardless of what

1514
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 4: other people are thinking. And I appreciate you've been on

1515
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 4: the right side of so many issues. So it's great

1516
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 4: to be with you, and thank you for continuing to

1517
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 4: be such an inspiration.

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01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: We're down, but we're not out. We're not going to

1519
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:58,440
Speaker 1: capitulate in advance. I was really sorry Chris Ray decided

1520
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: to resign instead of, you know, going the distance. And

1521
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 1: because I'm telling you one thing I would like to

1522
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:12,520
Speaker 1: say before we leave. If we can't agree on proven facts,

1523
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: the conversation shuts down. There's nowhere to go from there.

1524
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: So if you believe the election was stolen, there's nothing

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01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: else to talk about. And until that is adjudicated, I

1526
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: believe January sixth is adjudicated in a court of law,

1527
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: there's no way for us to completely heal. So that's

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01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 1: why I'm hoping they preserve all the January sixth committee's

1529
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 1: materials and finally rule one way or the other, because

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01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: it's just shocking to me that, first of all, I

1531
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: didn't think he could survive after inciting in an insurrection

1532
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: like that. I said, oh my god, thank god he's out.

1533
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: But I've been wrong before. I remember driving home from

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01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: recording something and hearing the Hollywood access grab him by

1535
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: the privates remark. I said, oh, I wrote in my

1536
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: datebook campaign over no one could survive that, and yet

1537
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: he's been able to survive. We don't have to do

1538
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: the laundry list. But it's just shocking to me. It's

1539
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: very disillusioning because I said, up until the end with Kamala,

1540
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: I said she's gonna beat him by more than Joe did,

1541
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: because I believe there were more honest, decent people with

1542
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 1: integrity than there are magas and I was wrong. Now

1543
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 1: maybe I'm right that there are more, but they didn't

1544
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: all vote. And again I'm still in a state of shock.

1545
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: And in fact, I had second thoughts about today and

1546
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: talking on the podcast, as I said, you know, for

1547
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how many weeks it's been, but I've

1548
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 1: just been I've stopped cable news. I don't watch cable

1549
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: news anymore. I'm telling you I've never watched the Food

1550
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: Network more in my life now.

1551
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,879
Speaker 5: So here's the deal, Mark, you have an open invite

1552
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 5: to come back to Oakland to hang out me and

1553
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 5: Marshaan and Gavin.

1554
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: I would be great. I love it.

1555
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully we spared you too much politics.

1556
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 1: Frank Oz was born in Oakland. That tells Angels was

1557
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 1: born in Oakland.

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01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:18,919
Speaker 4: How about that, Marshaan Hell's Angels.

1559
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: You know, I was so excited to give a g

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01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: key to the City of Oakland. What I didn't realize

1561
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: was like when I went to the ceremony, there are

1562
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 1: like seventy five other people getting one too.

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01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 2: Everybody get a key, You get a key, You get a.

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01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 4: Key, right right right, See when Marshan's when Marshaan's mayor,

1565
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 4: he's going to upgrade that key and he's only hand

1566
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 4: him out to select Field, right, Marshaan.

1567
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: You Good luck to all of you.

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01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 5: I'm no Mark Mark I, Gavin said. I appreciate what

1569
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 5: you've done, what you're doing. I love your drive, your

1570
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 5: career has been incredible and this has been an absolute

1571
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 5: pleasure to have you on with us today. Honestly, got it,

1572
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 5: really you and I can't thank you enough.

1573
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: Man, Thank you my pleasure.

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01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, appreciate it. Chief next time.

1575
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 4: Hey, Doug, we love hearing from our listeners and if

1576
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 4: you have any questions or comments, you can email us. Doug,

1577
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 4: where do you email us?

1578
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 5: It's Politicken at iHeartRadio dot com. That's Politicken at iHeartRadio

1579
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 5: dot com. But Gavin, here's the deal. We want all

1580
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 5: the questions, good, bad, indifferent, ugly to Doug.

1581
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 4: To beast mode. Send your questions to politicking at iHeartRadio

1582
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 4: dot com.